The Oscars, Ozempic & Wonka

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1:13Hello and welcome to another episode of The Rest is Entertainment with me, Marina Hyde. And me, Richard Osman. Hello, everybody. Hello, Marina. Hello, Richard. It's the morning after the Oscars. It is the morning after the Oscars. Once again, we came away empty-handed. Yes, but we won in many ways because if you live in this country, you don't actually have to watch the ceremony as live. You can just watch it in the morning. You get all the clips, all the red carpet, and you think, oh yeah, no, I've covered this one off. But you don't have to sit through all the tedium, and there is a huge amount in it.

1:42The way all British people experience the Oscars is just watching Ross King on Good Morning Britain. It was actually shorter than expected, though, the Oscars ceremony, because Al Pacino cocked up the announcement of Best Picture, which went to Oppenheimer, and he opened the envelope, and instead of reading out all the ten nominees for Best Pictures, just cut straight to this chase by saying, my eyes see Oppenheimer. My eyes see Oppenheimer. Which is not, yeah. It sounds like when they say, do you know what the shortest verse in the Bible is? It is, my eyes see Oppenheimer. It does not sound like Arpichino dialogue.

2:15Like, well done, you have got one job. It's not really that long ago that they announced La La Land instead of Moonlight. You know, PricewaterhouseCoopers audits the Oscars. Do you know what? I knew we'd get onto PricewaterhouseCoopers. Sorry, yeah, this is a show of this podcast. I didn't think we'd get onto them this quickly. I mean, I have to say, they've got one job. You know, the rest is money currently are talking about the cinematography. Yeah, they are. And we're talking about Pricewaterhousekeepers. They're doing the red carpet and the surgery, which we'll come on to. Also, Al Pacino's been to an awful lot of award ceremonies.

2:43I mean, you must understand the sort of grammar of an award ceremony. Don't just open it and go, my Icy Oppenheimer. Because everyone in the audience just went, oh. Can I just say he's a new dad, Richard, at age 82 or 83 or whatever he is. he's just had a baby. Congratulations, Al. He's 54 years younger than him. And so, you know, it's possible that those late nights doing the nappies, diapers, as they say in America, are taking away some of his focus. Or perhaps he's AI Pacino. That would work written down. Written down, that's actually not a bad joke. Written down, that is. Now I say it out loud.

3:14Yeah. That's very poor indeed. It was good in a way that he did make that slight gaffe, because there were no gaffes, really, which makes the ceremony less fun. And you need them. And also Also, it made the point even clearer that we knew all the way in that this was going, right from the start of awards ceremonies, which was a month ago, that this was sort of going to be a coronation for Christopher Nolan and for Oppenheimer. And whether or not you think it's Christopher Nolan's best film, there is much more to the Academy these days where they feel that, oh dear, there's someone who's really, really big, who people sort of credit with getting people back to the cinemas after the pandemic and who hasn't got an Oscar.

3:52Now, in the old days, they were very relaxed about not giving people Oscars. Howard Hawks never got an Oscar. Alfred Hitchcock never got an Oscar. You know, Garbo never got an Oscar. Dietrich, Fred Astaire, all these great big... Tom Cruise. No, he has had an Oscar, hasn't he? Tom Cruise? Did he not get it for Born on the 4th of July? Oh, yeah, you could be right. Do you know what? I'm thinking of Jason Statham. Yeah, I'm thinking of Statham. Anyhow, you need that. You kind of need some viral moment. And they didn't have a lot of those, I must say. The red carpet, to me, it's almost like it's a sort of Lenny Riefen style event now.

4:27It is so organised. And the combination between the big fashion brands, there's two great big nights of the year for fashion, the Oscars and the Met Gala. I thought you were going to say the TV Quick Awards. Not the TV Quick Awards, but I'm sure that they do count. But even for something like the Golden Globes, those agencies that run kind of metrics and impact and whatever say that just the red carpet of that is worth about$90 million to the fashion brands. And so if you're a really big fashion brand and your stuff is out there, like, I don't know, like Louis Vuitton, Emma Stone and Dave I enjoyed Randolph who were both in Louis Vuitton.

5:01So this is a big deal. So Louis Vuitton is the real winner. Louis Vuitton is the real winner, but everyone gets contracts, you get paid and all the brands say, we don't pay people to wear the dresses and all the brands do. And they might try and say, oh, they were doing some promotional work or whatever, but you can get paid. We're talking about like non Oscars ceremonies. You can get paid tens of thousands. you might get paid up to 250 ,000 to wear a dress. And in some very rare cases, I saw a great fashion expert, Lauren Sherman, discussing this week, you can get a million for one night wearing a dress.

5:31And they will all deny. Hold on. Give me details about how I can get one million for one night wearing a dress. I think we all would. Oh my God, I do. But the other interesting thing, for years the thing on Twitter was, stop asking actresses what designer they're wearing. You think, oh no, that's part of their contract. Believe me, they want you to ask because if they don't get asked, they're going to go along and the red carpet as well which people i noticed this year the way they shot the red carpet and the way they did the sort of wide shots they didn't do like a big wide shot so you'd see a lot of people think with red carpets oh there's just a small red carpet outside the thing and everyone walks past and gets photographed in front of the statue or whatever sometimes they are absolutely enormous and they're quite far from the venue in some way in the Kodak theater that's a different thing it's the Oscars and they try and make it a bit more like you know as live and how it actually is but it is enormous this thing it goes on for absolutely miles and it is a place of absolute military efficiency and they are shouted out and then you know you're in this awful situation where you're a photographer and you think yeah i don't want your husband in actually so they have to shout out can we have one just for fashion and that is the trade euphemism for get your husband out of the picture because nobody cares about him there's if you ever go to like premieres and things like that which i very rarely do but sometimes you know something will crop up and there'll be as you say there'll be like a red carpet and say you turn up at the red carpet but the red carpet has like about four different lanes on it yeah uh for and like you go hold on i'm in lane four and there's no photographers in lane four so they have a red carpet but it has it's really very carefully segregated you think i don't appear to be walking down the same path as hugh grant is that what happened here which one of us is in the a list but they want to put you and they also want the big stars want to turn up at the very end because they don't want to have to turn up at sort of three in the afternoon and go really, really slowly down it and then have to sit in their seat for even longer than they would wish to.

7:20One of the big stories on the red carpet this year is a Zen pick. Yes, a Zen pick is the real winner. It was even advertised during the Oscars, I think. That's really interesting. Which is quite on the nose. Eli Lilly, who do a version of a semiglutide drug, a weight loss drug, and they actually advertised in the week beforehand. rather sort of finger-wagging adverts saying it's really bad that people are using this to get into a dress which seemed really like okay i guess you're talking about hollywood a few days out from the oscars so they've attempted to have their cake and eat it have they by having an advert there or not because apparently the food at these parties is now just completely left you would have thought that that would have always have been the case but apparently it wasn't having starved themselves to get into these dresses for you know weeks and months in many cases the food at the parties afterwards was always very well consumed um i remember um i think um graden carter said when i did the fantasy fair party he said i i always had starters on the plates you arrive and you get there and you sit down and your starters already on your plate because people are really hungry there's a great article about as in pit last week uh and it was talking about the effect it's had on hollywood because a lot of them are on it yeah okay let's listen let's name names but a lot of them are taking just assume everyone's on it by the way It's much easier to assume everyone's doing it.

8:36But it's saying the restaurant business in Hollywood is genuinely struggling. Yeah, nobody's eating dinner. People are not hungry anymore. It was talking about makeup artists, but saying people's faces are really changing shape. The job we're having to do is slightly different. The people who loved it were the fashion designers. Who believe that you can never be too thin. I'm not suggesting that I think you can never be too thin. But the fashion designers think this is great. Everyone fits into our sample sizes and this is a lot easier for us. And the personal trainers were saying we have to literally the first 15 minutes of most sessions is somebody upstairs throwing up.

9:10But yeah, it's like an epidemic over there, right? Yeah. I think the first big one was when for the Met Gala, when Kim Kardashian wore that dress that Marilyn Monroe had sang Happy Birthday to JFK. And she had lost a massive amount of weight, even though she doesn't have a whole lot at all to lose to get into this thing. and she did some extraordinary series of interviews about, you know, I had to be so disciplined eating my steamed fish and vegetables. You know, my feelings about the steamed fish and vegetable idea. It passes for conversation from a celebrity. But she gave so many of these interviews.

9:41It's like, you know, you can't in three weeks lose what you did. So that was the first. I think she was the real kind of canary in the coal mine for it and people thinking, oh, my God, what is this thing? Jockeys used to give themselves tapeworms. Yeah. Mariah Callas did that. I think she swallowed about five in her life. No, did she? Wow. So listen, a Zen pick is very much the new tapeworm. Yes. Like everything's always one up from leeches, isn't it? Do you know what? The one thing I will say, no gaffes or anything like that. It felt like a proper old fashioned, big movie night. And the movie industry has been through some terrible times.

10:15It's got more terrible times to come, I'm sure. But it felt like you've got Oppenheimer, you've got Barbie, you've got some great supporting films. You've got like American fiction, Anatomy of a Fool. So like proper movies out there. But it's unusual, I think, that people had seen Barbie and they'd seen Oppenheimer. And I have to say, in the last few years, you're looking at the best picture list and nobody's gone to the multiplex to see these things. I'm not saying they haven't kind of made money, but they're on smaller budgets and they're not the mainstream of what people go and see. But they've had a very great thing for themselves this year with the Academy because people had seen two billion dollar movies.

10:50But I think this is a blip. Oh, do you think so? We'll look back on this and like next year we'll be back to Kung Fu Panda 4. Well, none of those films get nominated. So you've got this two-track thing where you've got the awards films, which people like for prestige and more and more, like we were talking about things like Saudi money. You'll see that kind of money backing those kind of prestige features, but people don't throng to see, essentially. Then you have movies which are popular, which might be superhero franchise or things based on video games or whatever it is but they never get nominated and I think that they've been really lucky with that this year where people have seen so many people have seen two of the mega and they happened the same weekend there with the Barbenheimer phenomenon people have seen those films and that counts for something because it makes people feel like this isn't some kind of weird self-indulgent thing that I mean it's kind of weird self-indulgent thing like all award ceremonies but it's not something that is so removed Congratulations on your podcast of the year nomination.

11:52Talking of awards ceremonies. We are nominated. Yeah, Broadcasting Press. So I know that you won't be going because you don't approve of that sort of thing, but we are going to have a great old time. Anyway, that aside. Now, you say it's a blip, but I wonder. I mean, the one thing you know about Hollywood is the one thing that attracts money is what worked last. What was the last thing to work? Let's do that again. And you would hope maybe the success of Oppenheimer means that there are projects that wouldn't have got greenlit, say, two years ago, which now will get greenlit. So maybe, don't do that face.

12:21I don't know. I mean, actually, Cord Jefferson, who won Best Adapted Screenplay for American Fiction, which is absolutely terrific, he said something quite good in his speech, which was quite sort of political within the town, as it were. He said, you know, a lot of people passed on this movie, so many people passed on this movie, and I'm really glad it got made. But, you know, just don't forget that a$200 million tentpole is also a risk. And instead of making$200 million tentpoles, how about you make 20$10 million films? And it got a huge round of applause because I guess people, in lots of ways, people wish that, you know, they suddenly might find it more interesting as a project, as an actor, to be involved in those type of films than basically doing a great big green screen superhero performance, which has kind of eaten the market.

13:07if that could happen that might be exciting and yet it takes a long time for the super tanker to turn around and they have essentially bet the farm on these kind of slates where everything is propped up by superhero or video game franchise or maybe now after barbie toy franchises or people who um make nuclear reactors well people well maybe maybe but christopher nolan is a sort of category of one isn't he and those are very expensive films and people believe that there's something about him that can make kind of high art that um whether or not you think it's high art but it can make something that they regard as high art and it can you know bring people back to cinemas after the pandemic tenet was really people held up as a sort of example like gosh i can't believe you know he'll only ever do theatrical release he's like tom cruise if it doesn't have a theatrical release he's not interested he's not a television star never won an oscar of course he will i'm sorry i've just looked that up tom cruise has not won he has been nominated four times but he has not won an oscar i don't know why i thought him could picture him winning for born on the fourth of july just uh and i've just looked it up and Apparently, Jason Statham has.

14:07He has won. He's won four Oscars. He's not about with Catherine Hepburn. In so many ways. I thought it was hosted by either Jimmy Kimmel or Jimmy Fallon. I can never remember which. But I thought it did a great job. Nice gags. Like proper, again, just absolutely safe pair of hands, which is what you need. Do you think, oh, this is like proper old school, you know, Oscars from years ago. It gave me a sense of optimism. Anyway, the success of Oppenheimer, the fact that there's movies like American Fiction and Poor Things and Anatomy of a Fall, unusual movies being out there. The fact that you've got this sort of ceremony that seems to work and everyone, you know, all the stars were there and there's big new stars, you know, Cillian Murphy and Emma Stone winning and Margot Robbie there as a producer and lots of female producers winning big.

14:48It gave me some optimism for that industry. And also, after 37 attempts, Godzilla finally won an Oscar. That's the big news. That's fine for like visual effects. So Godzilla finally got one as well. Box office receipts are going to be really down this year. So I have to temper that note of optimism that you have. That's not like you. No, but I'm a big fan of what Cord Jefferson said. And I would love to see the same money being used to make a series of different films. And how many of the big tentpoles have essentially been flops for however many hundreds of millions of dollars. And also maybe make them shorter would be another note.

15:27I was thinking, as an Oppenheimer, listen, it's nice that there's a big movie that you can have an opinion on. my opinion is imagine the film it was if you lost that last hour i just think like you in eurovision song contest you can't go over three minutes and i would say two hours 15 if your film is longer than two hours 15 minutes you stop it there stop it i think it should be an hour 45 and you've got to really argue that you're making an epic if it goes to 2 15 honestly i was trying to you know yeah be kind of uh liberal about it i would i would yeah 130 genuinely here's a category next year for the Oscars, best film under an hour and 45 minutes.

16:03Imagine there'd be so many films in the edit going, if we just knock another 17 minutes off this, we could be eligible for the Oscar. We're nailed on. Yeah. So somewhere in between best short feature and best film. I thought best picture was the Kate Middleton one. That's what I thought. When it plays an image, we might have to, we'll see how that plays out. We may discuss this in full next week. Yeah, exactly. So that's the Oscars. A Zen pick and films that are too long. Now, what else are we going to talk about? I wanted to talk about Channel 5, if I may. Please. Going from Oscars to Channel 5.

16:36I want to talk specifically about their documentary output because this weekend they have a fast turnaround documentary about the Wonka Land fiasco in Glasgow, which has entertained us all so mightily. Genuinely, I guarantee I will watch, and I genuinely guarantee another million and a half or two million people will watch as well. And it just shines a light on how brilliant Channel 5's documentaries are. There's the fast turnaround ones, which we'll talk about. But they're so amazing at putting their fingers on what people are interested in. It's like SEO, isn't it? It really is. It's almost like...

17:12It's like human search engine optimization. Could we not do this really quite quickly? And the answer is yes. And particularly in the case of this Wonka one, you've got a lot of actors who either weren't paid or were... Sorry, I don't want to shame the House of Illuminati who organised this, the one great experience. The real Illuminati are obviously far more organised. Most recently they did, I think, Al Pacino's Oscar speech. Yes, they put that one on. They threw a great speech. Obviously all the characters, all the actors, either they didn't get paid or they got paid very belatedly and they want to talk.

17:46Everyone's kind of quite glad to have been part of it. So they're kind of the dream fast turnaround stars. Exactly. And also, it's absolutely one of those things that we want to hear. Make that three hours long. Yeah. Okay. And I'll keep watching it. So they're doing that. They're very good at those fast turnaround ones. And by and lies, they sort of give them to ITN or to Mentor. And it's very, very, very, very hard to turn around those shows. They did a great one on Captain Tom, where did the money go? See, I mean, these are the things that people really, and I suppose what people don't often understand, and a lot of people say this to me, it's like, but why couldn't you make a television programme like that?

18:21You're like, oh my God, you know, television takes so long to make and blah, blah, but it doesn't have to. And for something like this, particularly, a lot of these people have current affairs backgrounds, so they're not stressed out. Some of them have, I remember reading an interview with one some years ago and he was, I think it was an Oscar Pistorius documentary. Pistorius had been arrested and because we have a different, it's not our legal system. Even if you write stories about what had happened or make documentaries about it, you're not in contempt of court, which if he was being tried under British law, you would have been.

18:51So someone had said to this guy at like 4.30 on a Friday afternoon, let's have a Pistorius documentary. By Sunday morning, he was with a crew in Johannesburg. Wow. And all of these people have, they've worked in war zones, they've done all sorts of things. So they don't get stressed and they can do fast turnaround. Well, that's it. Well, you need two different things. You need an incredible crew of people who can do it. Exactly what you're saying. The sort of people who can be told with 24 hours notice, you've got to be in Johannesburg. but not only can shoot it but also working out what the edit is as they go along because you're not overshooting at all you've got to work out exactly what your story is and get it and then something unusual happens you've got to sort of subsume that into your story as well but they're brilliant at doing it as they meant on an itn someone said you can never have enough gvs which is a general view so if you're stuck they should be shooting at all points the second he got to johannesberg's that if we're not shooting we're making a mistake so let's get the outside a gv the a general view of a property so they have the you have the outside of almost every possible house or property or like office or anything featured in this story and then you're just banking stuff that you can use exactly which which either you used to to say your narrative is now we're here or you used to for your edit you just sort of you you drop them in so you need that and the people who do that it's extraordinary how they do it but you also need at the channel somebody who can say yes within five minutes, right?

20:11Or no within five minutes. This is not something that happens at the BBC. It is not something that happens at virtually any channel, but Channel 5 are very, very good. They've got a very small team. Ben Frow runs it. He's very, very instinctive. And if you do want to make a vast turnaround documentary, you can't have a commissioner who takes a week and a half thinking about it, right? You need a quick yes. You need a quick yes. It needs to be five or ten minutes, and they're set up to do that at Channel 5. You also need a channel who are happy to change their schedules at a moment's notice and to say, look, this is not going to be in the Radio Times.

20:43But, you know, we hope that the social media and stuff might, you know, promote it anyway. And they have that at Channel 5 as well. They're very happy to move their schedules around. And, you know, it really, really pays off for them. But that's incredibly rare to have a commissioner who will just – it's more like a news editor. Yes. So a news editor has to sort of – Well, what they're sort of doing in many ways is what the Sunday papers do when there's a big news story of the week. And then in the news reviews, this is a sort of historic thing, but, you know, you'd have a much deeper analysis of that.

21:12And someone would have gone to the town where the by-election happened or whatever it was and try and give you the story behind the music, as it were. But done very quickly. Yeah. And, yeah, they're doing that for TV. But so they do those fast turnaround ones. But I think the general documentary output is also extraordinary. Talk about a channel who knows their audience. They're just about to do their fourth Air Fryer documentary. of the year right all of which by the way have rated over a million and you know a million today's money is a lot is a lot of people that's if you're four or five or bbc2 you kill for a million they did uh they did christmas made easy that's an air fryer one they did air fries versus microwaves was one of theirs they did air fries do you know what you're missing not if you've watched the big air fry and they they're about to do air fries the easy way to lose weight that's four within three months but all of which right and again because you have a commissioning team there who sort of understands what normal human beings are interested in we've got generations of producers who make programs about what they think people should be watching whereas channel five are very happy just to make programs about what people are actually interested in it comes back to that seo thing that they almost are looking at the sort of top trends and thinking how quickly could we do this and why haven't we done this but it also has to be what's your sensibility as a human being yeah if you wake up in the morning and think why is everyone talking about air fryers which I'm guessing someone like Ben Frowell does.

22:37Listen, that's no judgment. I do the same. Then, of course, you commission a documentary about air fries. If you wake up in the morning and you're thinking about the latest Philip Roth novel, you're probably not going to commission a documentary on air fries. You're not your viewers. You are not your viewers. Exactly right. And I think, funnily enough, I talked to a couple of people at Channel 5 about this on Friday, and they were on an away day at Hampton Court, which is the most Channel 5 thing imaginable. So they've done all those. They also do Inside the M &S Food Hall. Yes, tick, I'm interested.

23:08They do A Day in the Life of Tesco. Yes, tick, I'm interested. They've done The Secrets of Aldi, The Secrets of Lidl. I'm interested in all of these things because that's our everyday life. They did fall slightly foul of when the Titanic sub went down, they did a really fast turnaround documentary. And I think that it was, I'm pretty sure I'm right in saying that it was, was going to be on air at the time that the oxygen was scheduled to run out. As it turned out, before then, there was discovered that there had been some debris and what have you. That was, for some, too fast a turnaround. But I think, did Dan Walker present that?

23:46And he was like, this is not a fast turnaround documentary. It's a new special. Oh, I think they cut live, didn't they, to the press conference? Yes. Yes, it's interesting that, yeah, that's somewhere in between the two, isn't it? Well, he kept saying, this is a new special, but it had not been billed as a new special, but it became sort of, because I think that there was a little bit of backlash, the too fast turnaround, the too soon turnaround documentary. Yes, it's like us not wanting to talk about the Kate Middleton photograph. Yeah. Yeah. They have amazing casting. We've talked before about Ben Fogle goes to Chernobyl and everyone's just going, oh my God, really, if they scrape the bottom of the barrel and it's massive rating.

24:21Massive rating, because people are interested in Chernobyl and people like Ben Fogle. Even this week, Ben Fogle's in the Congo. So I was watching, I had a thing called the Motorway Map of Britain, which is like the history of Britain's motorways, which I saw, again, the first two minutes of. And the archive was so great and the story was so great. And it talked about the birth of service stations. I watched the whole hour. You know, that's just great telly, well made, about things that people are interested in. They are very interesting. The people they have to do in their documentaries, Ben Fogel, they have Alexander Armstrong.

24:49Yes. Inside the Royal Palaces. I started watching one of those just so I could send him like a snarky message. And I watched all the way to the end. because it's brilliant. Susan Kalman, they have Nick Knowles going on trains. They have Tony Robinson going around the world on trains. Jay Blades. They've got Michael Palin. You know. Oh, yes. They know who people want to watch. It's really well run. And then they send them to interesting places. Oh, there's always off to Iceland and South Korea and Iceland the country, by the way, but they should also send it to Iceland the shop. That's a documentary.

25:20Here's a documentary that I've just thought of, but this is a winner. Air Fryers versus Ozempic. You give 10 people an air fryer, you give 10 people a Zempik, one month you see who loses the most weight. Okay, I'd watch. Yeah. I think I know the answer, regrettably. It's not the air fryer. Imagine both. Yeah, imagine both. Yes, but in some senses it's almost like something like podcasts, which obviously has a low overhead and you can turn around immediately. And there's something about the spirit of this particular age that responds to that. And so I think that having lent into that, Channel 5, they've done very well with it.

25:55Well, I think it's an object lesson in two things, which is there's an audience which has been forgotten in the sort of rush for youth or rush for relevancy. Or, you know, there's that audience that's been forgotten and Channel 5 have not forgotten them. And that audience watches an awful lot of television. And they watch it on linear. And they watch it on linear, which is incredible for a channel like Channel 5. Who, by the way, the suite of channels have raised their share over the last couple of years, which is unheard of. that's like raising your share of you know it's like a Betamax company like raising market share in the in in the mid 80s and secondly it has a very very lean and linear commissioning process two people say yes and it's done and those people are very good at saying yes or very good at saying no as well and it's sort of not rocket science in a funny kind of way when you see a channel that is run in that way for its audience and done in a very neat very smart way and is making money for people you think well it is doable at a commercial broadcaster different channels have completely different issues of course uh but channel five if you wanted to do a template five years ago of how they should have run it it's been run exactly like that i think sometimes we have to give credit where it's due and there are success stories out there and channel five air fryers and willie wonka output is one of them well so that's the willie wonka documentary on channel five which i think is this Saturday, March the 16th.

27:19Yeah, I will be watching. Shall we have a quick break? Let's. And when we're coming back from the break, we're going to talk about Jake Paul versus Mike Tyson.