The Secrets Of I’m A Celeb

5 Dec 2024 · 30 min

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Episode Title

The Secrets Of I’m A Celeb

Podcast Description In this episode, hosts Richard Osman and Marina Hyde delve into the behind-the-scenes workings of the reality show *I’m A Celebrity… Get Me Out of Here!* They discuss the intricate preparations involved in the show's trials, explore viewer queries about industry practices, and provide insights into various aspects of television production.

Episode Highlights

Introduction

  • Hosts Marina and Richard welcome listeners to a Q&A session focused on various entertainment topics.
  • They address a recent email from a journalist discussing the impact of their previous episode on the practices at Reach PLC.

Key Topics Discussed

  • Behind-the-Scenes of *I’m A Celeb*
  • The trials are extensively planned months in advance.
  • Dedicated teams are responsible for different aspects: production, art department, animal handling, and technical setups.
  • The trials team sometimes participates in the trials themselves to ensure everything runs smoothly.
  • The trials must strike a balance between being entertaining and not crossing the line into unwatchable content.
  • Hollywood Walk of Fame
  • Nomination process: Individuals must be nominated by a third party (often their agent).
  • A shadowy committee decides who gets a star based on various criteria.
  • Some notable stars have declined their nominations, citing commercialism.
  • Costs of maintaining a star are approximately $50,000 annually.
  • Roman Numerals in News Broadcasts
  • The use of Roman numerals at the end of BBC broadcasts is a tradition intended to evoke classiness and obscurity about the actual date of the broadcast.
  • Originally adopted from Hollywood to make content seem timeless.

Listener Questions

  • *I’m A Celebrity* Trials
  • Discussion about the process and people behind the trials.
  • Clarification that contestants do not rehearse trials, but some are briefed on complicated mechanics.
  • Television Production Practices
  • Explanation of how cliffhanger endings in shows like *Game of Thrones* require resetting scenes for the new season.
  • Insights into how producers adapt based on audience reception.
  • Desert Island Discs
  • The selection process for guests on this iconic radio show involves freedom of choice without assistance, allowing for personal storytelling.

Conclusion

  • Richard and Marina encourage listeners to continue submitting questions for future episodes.
  • They remind audiences about the subscription options for ad-free content and bonus episodes via their website.

Key Takeaways

  • The production of reality television is a complex, multi-faceted process that requires significant planning and teamwork.
  • The Hollywood Walk of Fame operates with a nomination and selection process that highlights the significance and value of entertainment figures.
  • Tradition plays a role in broadcasting practices, impacting how content is perceived by viewers.

Call to Action

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1:37Lots of lovely questions today. We start with a little bit of any other business, I think. We do. We've had an email which says, Hello, I am a journalist at Reach PLC. I just wanted to get in touch after your recent podcast about Reach and its article volume targets. By the way, you might remember this is the one where there are about 507 stories about Martin Lewis on Reach in one day. And the journalists are forced to sort of hit certain targets. and we just sort of went through the process of how that doesn't seem to be the most financially viable way of running a business. To resume the letter, a colleague of mine asked why we haven't heard our editors bang on about article volume as much in the last few weeks and apparently it's all thanks to you.

2:15Following the podcast episode, there was apparently an internal meeting with the big guns. Some newsrooms that have a reputation even within the company as publishing pure rubbish, brackets Birmingham Live, really got the stake. That's the brackets that are in the letter. I didn't say that myself, although, you know, it falls to me. I understand our central network team still have a high article volume expectation but smaller regional newsrooms are no longer encouraged to look at what is doing well across the reach network and just take it I know so many of us that work at reach felt so embarrassed following your podcast episode it's funny that it took Richard Osman and Marina Hyde saying this is a ridiculous approach over the hundreds of journalists of it that have raised concerns at reach for it to actually get casually scrapped all the best anon anon I'm so pleased because you know we've said time and again is not the journalist.

2:56You know, you work in the industry that you can work in. It's the people running those enterprises that are the issue. So it's great that journalists are finally being freed. But also, so often on this podcast, we'll say something and it'll be on one of those reach things. But this is a story that didn't make it onto Birmingham Live. Richard Osmond slams reach bosses for inability to understand industry. I love it when you look like a headline. Shall we get on with some questions? This is a question from Abby and Jack Bishop. I wonder if they did one letter at a time. We'll find out. I'm a Celebrity is a highlight in our household this time of year.

3:29Absolutely. And while watching, we noticed they often show preview clips of the trials featuring individuals already completing them. Who are these people and how do they get them to agree to participate? Right. Somebody else asked this question as well, actually. First of all, I would say that the trials on I'm a Celebrity are more produced as a sort of entity than quite a lot of actual whole shows on television. and how it works is that months and months out from the show actually airing the producers get together and pitch a load of trials and about 20 of them are signed off we call them the trials team on these shows we used to have them on Big Brother and stuff like that as well the people who do those set pieces they are dedicated to that particular bit of the show and it's huge then they go to the art department these trials because then you've got to kind of come up with all the concepts of them and actually make those things work the producers go to Australia they're basically there from September for I'm a Celebrity which as you know goes out in the middle of November or whatever they've got lead producers for each trial and they're supervising all the builds of the sets and they've got various teams for every trial within the trials team as the other teams have got the animal team the lighting team the arts team so you've got all of those people technical, rig, anything like that and I'm talking slightly about the food in a minute that's the bush tucker shortly the mechanics of the trials have to work um and so the crew and people who work on the show are those people you see doing the trials all the people you see are people they're literally if you're on the trials team you you've got to do the trial you spent three months but also you do the versions of the trials that don't really work yeah when you actually ingest 15 cockroaches yeah you do that um sometimes people do also talk about i know there's been in previous years a bit a little of a sort of thing saying oh the contestants are told about the trials in advance okay they're not they don't do any rehearsal of the trial anything like that what they might do is if there's a trial that's kind of complicated it's got lots of padlocks or something like that in when you spend all this money and it's prime time tv and we all want to watch it if they're like i can't get thinking anything i don't understand how the padlock works then that's something of a waste and not very good television yeah so so yeah in that situation someone would get briefed and that is because the trials team have done a hundred times and 90 times it's worked and 10 times they go oh don't forget a couple of times we had the thing where we couldn't the didn't fit in the paddock properly but you have to turn it around yeah and so with those you just go okay just for that two percent chance this is what happens you'll yeah you'll do a briefing with the contestant just to talk about some of the things that they might encounter the food the bush tucker trials are a separate thing they've got a head chef for that yeah it's amazing one of the things they know always is that portion sizes are very important we all know this don't we they ideally like to make it three bites per dish okay and the head chef tests all of them multiple multiple multiple times and they have to pitch it at just the right level of nauseating because if it is an honest like immediate gag like actual vomit reflex then it's sort of genuinely quite exorcist and gross and it's gone too far and you can't really do the trial so they have to find the happy balance between you know that's a restaurant i wouldn't go to no absolutely the happy balance yeah the happy balance between you know way too nauseating and not quite nauseating enough so three bites and just at the right level of how emetic it is yes uh so that yeah so it's a huge each one of those trials is a huge production in itself yeah and funny enough that team a lot of the shows that i'm you know worked on in the 90s and noughties big game shows big physical game shows the total wipeouts and things like that of this world so many of those producers go on to these teams and do the big tasks on I'm a Celebrity because firstly it takes enormous technical expertise to make them but secondly you do need a really good quiz show, game show mind, you've got to think of the rules I always, there's a lovely guy I used to work with called Matt Wilkinson and the only times I ever see Matt Wilkinson are either sort of up to his ears in cockroaches in some sort of coffin or talking to Jose Mourinho on the touchline at Soccer Aid and I love seeing where people have gone but yeah those task teams, that's not like a junior gang of people going out there and mucking about that's one of the biggest parts of that entire show because so much of the content of that show is incredible trials and so much of the clippable stuff from those shows so these trials where extraordinary things happen but it can't just be you're throwing cockroaches onto somebody it has to be something clever you have to move it on a tiny little bit and so yeah that's one of the biggest gigs on the whole thing but yeah those poor unfortunate people on that trial team that is have done them all multiple times they have done them all multiple times the good news is they get to do the celebrity cyclone from the end as well which makes up for the months and months of nausea.

8:03I've got one for you, Richard, from Chris Alcorn, who says, can you explain how the Hollywood Walk of Fame works? Who decides who gets a star on it? What are the criteria to get a star? How are the slots for the stars allocated, as in who goes where? Surely when it started, they had no idea quite how many stars they would end up with. Yeah, it's quite a neat thing, isn't it? It's one of those just sort of artificially created landmarks. You have to be nominated. so you have to be nominated by a third party but that could be your agent so really you could just say to your agent could you nominate me for her so you sort of can nominate yourself but you have to be nominally nominated by a third party and then there's like a shadowy committee who go through all the applications and decide who gets put on the Hollywood Walk of Fame I think there's 2 ,700 names there at the moment so it's really really big but it can say you know Hollywood's big so it can go on forever lots of people have declined being nominated.

8:59So there's lots of big stars who aren't on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Julia Roberts isn't there, Bruce Springsteen, Leonardo DiCaprio is not there. There's all sorts of people who aren't there. Why? Do they think it's all sort of commercialised? Yeah, exactly. You work in big budget entertainment films. Well, a lot of people don't like being walked on. They say a lot of the time the Hollywood Walk of Fame people say that the major reason they get for not wanting to be on there is they don't like being walked on. There is only one star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame that you cannot walk on. and that is Muhammad Ali, who's up on a walk.

9:29He said, I definitely want a star, but I don't want to be walked on. You can be nominated in lots of different categories. So, you know, you can be nominated for, you know, entertainment, for music, for film. So lots of people have multiple stars. Gene Autry, who used to sing all their cowboy songs and Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer. He's got five stars on the, like a Michelin restaurant. Gene Autry's got five stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is the most. Do you want to know who's going to be on the Hollywood Walk of Fame this year? Yeah. Who has been nominated this year and is about to go in?

9:55I always thought they really liked it. When they do the pictures of them, everyone always seems so, that it's so moving when they get their star and blah, blah. Well, I think most people do, but it's like getting knighted, isn't it? There's all sorts of people who turn that down. Yeah. If you let people know that you've turned it down, then you didn't turn it down. Then you didn't turn it down. You might as well have taken it. This year, Michelle Yeo is getting a star. Chris Pine is getting a star. Chris Pine's getting a star in the Hollywood Orca fame. Yeah. Bloody hell. You don't think? He's been in a lot of things.

10:24Yeah, he's been in a lot of things. No offence. I mean, no offence to Chris Pine. Can we do a Restless Entertainment Walk of Fame where people can submit names to us and we start our own walk of fame? Well, you know all I ever want to do is say yes, no. This person can't be let in and this person can be. But we'll be a committee and it has to get both of us to say yes to be let into the Restless Entertainment Hall of Fame. But you would say Chris Pine, no, due to... Due to he's not a big enough star. Sorry. So you ring as agent? Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to do it right now after the show because I'm quite busy, but if I run into Chris Pine's agent, I'd say, tell me the process.

11:00Who was the one who nominated him? Was it you? Okay, for next week, just send us in some names and we'll say yes or no and we'll start our wrestlers entertainment hall of fame. Also this year, Gwen Stefani, would you let her in? She's got one song, but carry on. Talking of songs, Def Leppard are getting a star. Okay, fine. That's fair enough, isn't it? Def Leppard, come on. Dr. Dre. Yeah. and Christina Ritchie as well yes happy just the only people not getting in there well Chris Pine and maybe Gwen Stefani Stefani's not getting in what's she on like the American Voice or something she's getting it from that and the one song yeah but Sweet Escape with Akon I'd give her a star just for that oh right you're just giving it out for for collabs yes a great song though and Akon just is the woohoo woohoo Gwen Stefani's carrying a lot of that so that's the Hollywood Walk of Fame you have to be nominated you have to have hard carried acorn in one song exactly uh the cost of maintaining a star each year it's about fifty thousand dollars fifty thousand covers the installation uh and the upkeep and the ongoing maintenance as well so i think it's a one-off payment but uh if you're gene autry it adds up doesn't it i bet gene autry wasn't back in the day wasn't charged quite that much yeah he probably also he probably finds out like buy one get one free doesn't he he was back in the years where there was an American state and actually the American state, even in the state of California, would have paid for those stars.

12:22Chris Pine knows what it's like to grow up without a safety net and, you know, he's going to have to pay for his own star. I knew we were going to talk about the decline of the American state at some point. We're always going to talk about small government when we get into the questions. We're always going to. We always end up. Greg Wallace, small government. Hollywood Walker fame, small government. Shall I ask you a question? Yes, please. Absolute textbook. Restless entertainment question from Alice Bentley. Thank you. Alice. Why at the end of BBC News broadcast do they show the date in Roman numerals?

12:50We noticed this the other day and can't understand why they don't just write the date in a more obvious way. Ah, this is the sort of copyright notice that comes at the end of the credits. Everything you see on a screen anywhere has one of those sort of copyright notices. So it says MMCXM. Yeah, MMCXM. Originally the movie studios in Hollywood used to do it. Everyone sort of taken their lead almost from them because they were the first people putting actually screened entertainment out. And they used to write the date in normal, what you call Arabic numerals, as in, you know, 1937. But they changed...

13:21Yeah, I know numbers. Yes. Well, some people might not know they call Arabic numerals. I'll tell you what, you can snag off Queen Stefani, but now you're trying to explain to us what numbers are. Right. Wow. Okay. They thought it was classy, the Hollywood studios, which is why they changed it to Roman numerals. But also what they always want to do, and this is a huge part of why we still do all this stuff now, is they wanted to be obscure about when it was actually released because they want people to feel that they're watching new product. That's clever. Which they didn't call it product at the time.

13:49Yes. Although they did treat it as product, but they didn't talk about it like that. And this is the same with the BBC, which used normal Arabic numerals until 1976 and then switched over to the Roman things. I agree with you on the news. On the news, it doesn't matter because you know you're watching that Disney. None of us is watching the box set of the news. If you are, by the way, I can say some really bad things have happened in recent years. Sorry for the spoiler. Don't watch season 17. But actually, it's primarily in a funny kind of way. Used to look classy. Now it's a lot about deception and they don't want you to know when it's made.

14:20Because you can't work out. That's clever. That's like magazines. You know, they'll release the magazine that comes out on September the 15th will be the October edition. Just so for the whole month, it looks like you've got this month's magazine. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, that's very clever. And they changed really quite late in the day. I mean, 1976 is pretty late. Yeah. Or MM. Yeah. Yeah. That thing. If only I knew Latin. Yeah. Alice thank you so much for that because I didn't know the answer to that that's very interesting shall we now go to a break? I'd love that I'd love that for us and for the listeners and for the advertisers everybody wins I think this episode is brought to you by 20th Century Studios new film Springsteen, Deliver Me From Nowhere starring Golden Globe winner Jeremy Allen White and Academy Award nominee Jeremy Strong Scott Cooper, the director of the Academy Award-winning movie, Crazy Heart, brings you the story of the most pivotal chapter in the life of an icon.

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16:57Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back, everyone. Apart from our AAA club members who literally has just been a continuum. him well this question can only be you are literally the best place human to answer this question well is it about reaching something from a high shelf it could be but it's not it's from thomas and tanya hebert a lot of questions from couples yes which i love i love that for us i love that for us i'm not saying they are a couple no there could be brother and sister but there's two of them okay there's two i'm saying they both ask having just seen larry ricard and michael ball do so well on house of games my wife and i noticed how much of the success is by players in the seat nearest to yourself.

17:34Wow, mega conspiracy incoming. Could it be that contestants closer to you, Richard, are getting an advantage? Thank you, Thomas and Tanya. Absolute classic case of confirmation bias, this, because once you spot something yourself, you never spot anything else. There's a brilliant guy called, if you want to follow him on Twitter, Daniel Mark Hurst, who has the entire database of every single result ever in House of Games history. Every game we've ever played, every prize we've ever given away, the whole thing. Even the production team use him. from time to time. So, using his database, in fact, I can tell you exactly which seat is an advantage to be in.

18:11And if you'd asked me, I would have said seat four for reasons I will get on to. The average episode score, seat one, which according to Thomas and Tanya, is the best seat, 6.8. Seat two, that's the points you score per episode. Seat two, 6.8 also, exactly the same. Seat three, 6.4. Seat four, 7.8. seat four is the biggest advantage uh seats to be in i would say now what might be the reason for that the seat four is the best seat four is traditionally the one people say it's best to be in seat four quite often on that show it feels it's sort of like a dinner party that show before the show starts we sit down with everyone have a little chat so we do a little when i'm working by the way you know this and when i'm working and if i do i'm working in the evening ever and i'm not at home they the entire rest of my family watches that with an ipad propped up on the table which would never be allowed by the way when i'm at home so it is genuinely a dinner party for the rest of my family i'm very glad to hear it when i'm working believe me that doesn't happen at any other time so beforehand we meet the four people and then myself and uh brige and tamara the the producers we work out who do we want in what seat and we're just thinking about how it's going to play out across the week who feels maybe they're a tiny bit more nervous who'd be funny sitting next to each other seat four is quite far away so who do we know just absolutely they'll be all right in seat four they can look after themselves yeah the plasma very occasion you know occasionally enough to make a statistical difference the person you can put in the seat four is the person you know is a good quizzer and so you know doesn't need sort of you know things explained or doesn't you know just just you just know you can leave them be and they'll be absolutely fine where would you put me where if you want it depends who you're on with um if you're on with h from steps paul chuckle uh and one of the cheeky girls i put you seat three i'm having h from steps next to me yeah uh i'm having paul chuckle next to him because that's fun yeah uh and then i'm having you and the cheeky on seat seat three and seat four and so she is just the most caught if it's gabriella the one who went out with limbo over here so she is the most just just to pick a cheeky um she is the most confident and can just fly by the seat of her pants out there on the wing.

20:23There's certain people, you know, if you're putting people around a table for a dinner party, there's certain people you know you can put on a wing. You know, they can just sort of, they'll be a right further away. I'm that person. I'm always put next to someone's difficult aunt or uncle at a wedding because I can deal with it. Yeah, well, that's the problem. But that's why, again, I wouldn't put you, I'd put you somewhere in the middle because then you're going across. I'm running interference between poor Chuckle and Gabriella. If there is interference, Of course there'd be interference There's interference to run, I'll be running it You'll be running it It's funny, for the first couple of series I think I think we always split up the men and the women So it was always man, woman, man, woman Or woman, man, woman, man And it was after about two series I just thought Oh I don't understand why we're doing that But every show that's ever been made always does it And I thought I didn't understand why we're doing that So we absolutely made a conscious decision To just go and let's put people where we want them to be At any given time So yeah, it's an inexact science And sometimes we change it right at the last minute But it's me, you know, I've got to spend the whole day next to the person in seat one and they've got to spend the whole time next to me.

21:20The person in seat four, as I say, has to feel sort of the whole day. They're not being slightly left out and the people in the middle can come. There's just exactly like a wedding plan or a dinner party plan. It's just working out who's going to work where and how and why, which people will work well together, which people can kind of hang out by themselves, which people, you know, like to feel in the center of it. so it's entirely sort of based personality based but i i think that thing of seat four being slightly the best place to be it must come from that thing of sometimes correlated it's not causal but it's correlated i think so i think i think it comes from sometimes if someone is a maybe slightly older a very good quizzer and i think you know what they're absolutely they'll be they'll be absolutely fine where they are i think it might be something to do with that but yeah definitely seat one is not the the best place to be uh but yeah seat four is the is the kind of that's that's like the grand prix one but then again since i knew that from a few seasons in i try and switch that up as well a little bit more as well so you do kind of think oh maybe i'll so it's it's maybe those stats will come together a bit uh a bit closer but yeah thomas and tanya yeah there is no advantage to being in seat one other than being able to chat to me in all the recording breaks which is a dream Marina one for you, Carl asks when a season ends on a cliffhanger do they record the start of the new season right away or set up the scene again, we had that question about Sweet Pea as well for example at the end of season 5 of Game of Thrones when Jon Snow redacted do they have to wait a few months to reset the season for the first season of season 6 or do they record it after he has been redacted the answer to that is no, they redo the whole thing if they're going to pick up from from the end because even if you've got in the case of Game of Thrones and they're doing it off books that either existed or George RR Martin has a plan for how they were all going to turn out and it's you know quite an ornery creator and it's got quite a lot of views about how it's going to pan out even if he hasn't actually got around to writing the book yet no you always will start all of it over again I know it sounds sort of like oh my god thank you for your service but to get a season of television actually onto the screens and to even get it to the point where the scripts are surrendered for production they're never scripts are never finished by the way they're just sort of surrendered to production there's no way they know how the next season is going to start even on something like that where you're you know you've got source material there's lots of different reasons the show might not come back audience reception is a big thing whether or not you know the people who make the tv will tell you that it is and they say we don't pay any attention to what the fans say, they do pay attention.

23:53You might, on whatever show you're doing, you might decide, okay, let's have a time jump at the start of the next season. You just do not know. No show has got the next season's scripts. I mean, actually, Will Smith versus Slow Horses, he was in a situation where they were writing the next season while they were still filming the other ones, but that was because they have Mick Heron's brilliant books and it was a kind of crazy production schedule for that show, but in general, just getting to the end of that one is beyond what most people can manage. They have no idea what the first words of the first scene.

24:24And even if they pick up, they will reset that whole thing. You will all go back to wherever it was that Jon Snow was X and you will do the whole thing all over again because you simply don't know. I get the question from Carl absolutely. Yeah. Given that we talk a lot about how the setups are the expensive things or booking the studio is the expensive things, once everyone's there, but presumably at the start of the next series, say for example the season ends on a sort of snowy hillside with lots of bodies everywhere, you would have footage that you could cut into the very beginning of the next season.

24:54You can have stuff you can cut, yes, but actually you're going to have to go back. You probably won't pick up at the exact moment. I know in that season, I know what else happens in the next season, what else happens with Jon Snow. So they've got all sorts of kind of things, thinking how are we going to pull that off in the case of this particular character's storyline. Everyone is going back to the table and there's going to be a long writer's room. They're miles away, even at the end of the writer's room, of deciding exactly what the first bit of the next season will be. They haven't even worked that out.

25:24Just getting it to the end of the show. And no one in that scene can have a haircut or put on weight or anything like that. No, well, if they have, then you better make sure that you're starting the next season adapted to that because that's what you're going to have going forward. So that is another sort of part of it, that if people do look slightly different or whatever, you're going to have to shoot around this or that. You'll be starting with what you've got going forward for the next however many months, 10 months, it's going to take to shoot the next season of Game of Thrones. A final question, Richard, about Desert Island Discs.

25:54Aidan McCarter says, how are the castaways selected for Desert Island Discs? Are they interviewed and or vetted to make sure they will make an interesting programme? Has anyone not proceeded past this point? How much assistance, if any, do guests get in compiling their list of discs? That's one of those ones. So many TV shows, your entire difficulty is getting good bookings. The celeb booker's job is not a happy one. and the whole thing is we need bigger bookings, better bookings. If you book Desert Island Discs, it's one of the few things where everybody says yes. And also, by the way, where you can get a cancer specialist from Imperial College and put them on and have one of the best ever episodes you're ever going to have.

26:32So for a celeb booker, it's the absolute dream because everybody you ask says yes. Because I did Desert Island Discs, and I don't know what it's like for other people. I think because you instinctively understand when you do that. growing up when you think what would my desert island discs be you just think i'm just going to choose my eight favorite songs and the second they ask you to go on you realize how many times over the years you've listened to desert island discs and you realize actually it's a story yeah a journey through your life and so you have to pick songs that represent different parts of your life rather than just me picking you know the entire first side of bandwagon-esque by teenage fan club you do have to go do you know what this is about when i was a child this is about you know when I was at university.

27:12This is about when I had kids. This is about, you know, this job I did that was memorable. This is about my wife. You know, you realise you want to pick songs that mean something to you. So the actual songs you end up picking are very, very different from the songs you've listed in your head over the years. But yeah, they don't give you any help at all. I wonder if you did pick just eight songs by Teenage Fan Club, someone might step in and say, I wonder if we could maybe, because we might want to talk to you about this part of your life. We might want to talk to you about the part where you're a hostage in Beirut.

27:44So if it's all teenage fan club, I don't know how we get in to that part of your life. I'm not absolutely sure. So maybe they have that. But no, it's you, I mean, just kind of tearing your hair out thinking, but it does have to represent me, but also I want those songs to be good. And if you'd show me the eight songs I chose even five years before, I'd have thought you'd absolutely lost your mind. Yeah, those aren't my eight songs, no. So for example, in my kids, you just think, okay, I need a song. where I can think about my kids being young, songs that I would always listen to. So for that, I had two choices, really.

28:18Fiona Apple is now very cool. And my daughter said to me, you know, everyone loves Fiona Apple, but I sort of really know her. I said, yeah, I used to play them to you endlessly and used to love Fiona Apple. So I thought maybe Extraordinary Machine or the first cool song they ever liked, which Yashimi battles the pink robots by Flaming Lips. So it's going to be one of those two, which again, neither of those are probably one of my eight favourite songs in the world, but they reminded me of a certain time. in my life so too is that yeah I had the snooker theme tune just because it was about me by the way Rich's episode is wonderful you can go and listen to it it's so good well Lauren is is a fantastic host on that it's a lovely show to go on because you do you you are able to open up I told you when uh the first meeting I ever had with Chris Columbus we were talking about music he's a huge music fan and he was saying oh man you're on Desert Island that's my dream I said but they would love for you to be on Desert Island so that we've we've got that hook up in oh great that's happening yeah hopefully chris will be on that uh that that fairly soon but yeah it's one of those things when nobody says no nobody is prescriptive about what you can say and what you can't say you know they'll have a little chat with you say we maybe talk about this maybe talk about that that makes you think maybe about songs that you might choose but yeah it's possible that if you chose a certain group of songs they might intervene but i i think people understand what it is they're being asked uh but if you if at home you've got your list of eight um songs for desert island And have a little think about if they rang you tomorrow and said, oh, but we're going to talk about this and this and this, whether you might change some of those and what you might change them to.

29:44But it was a really lovely thing to be asked to do. But one of the reasons it's such a good show is they do give you absolute freedom. That's wonderful. There's so many of these questions we could do a whole episode on its own. But do please keep them coming. The address is therestisentertainment at gmail.com. And we'll see you again, of course, next Tuesday. Don't forget you've got the Restless Entertainment Club at therestlessentertainment.com if you want to sign up for ad-free, if you want to sign up for our bonus episodes, anything like that. You want to join the gang, it's a newsletter, all sorts of things like that.

30:14You would be very, very welcome. And on that note, see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.

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