Titanic, Tattoos & Trade Wars

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1:51So many messages from last week when I talked about showing television in cinemas. So many messages personally, so many messages to the website. People are going crazy for it. I think it's going to happen. We're not going to make a penny from it. No. Actually, why would you make money from it? What? Hold on a minute. You're trying to muscle in on this. You bounced the idea off me. That's the thing. Yeah, I bounced it. That's the thing. I like how much you build your business. And you said that's a terrible idea. Well, that isn't... Yeah, and you push back. Anyway, people are also people telling us all sorts of things that they go to the cinema for.

2:21Well, a sparring partner is. It's a thing. In boxing and in, you know, business development, I understand. If Rory had an idea... Why don't always start it like that? but carry on if Rory would do you think for one second that Alistair Campbell will get 8 % of anything Rory ever thought of I've thought of a number of answers to this question and I can't say any of them out loud should I just go with I don't know Richard yeah good one the Odeon on Lothian Road in Edinburgh they use it for jury selection do they actually yeah that's pretty cool isn't it that came from one of our listeners wow diversifying cinema how interesting it's just a room full of seats yeah you know what I mean is it or is it all those wonderful people out there in the dark Richard It's a theatre of dreams, but also really good for jury selection.

3:03Now, last week, we also, we were talking about dust jackets. Yes. And you said, oh, by the way, I wish someone would ask, why are books rectangular? Because I have an answer to it. Yeah. So we said, if anyone wants their name read out on this podcast, just write in, why the hell are books rectangular? We asked people to write. We tried to make it sound like an action movie. It is fair to say an awful lot of people wrote exactly that question. So we had to go with the first person who sent that in. So Jonty Smith has a question for you, Marina. And Jonty Smith's question is, would you mind explaining to me why the hell books are rectangles?

3:37Jonty, thank you so much. Now, they are rectangles. And we'll talk about the ratio of the ratio. Can I say, by the way, my answer to that would be, well, because of course they are. So I assume there's something more than that. OK, yeah. But the ratio is interesting, all this. Anyway, actually, papyrus was square, right? Was it papyrus? Yes, papyrus for square. Greek scrolls, they were scrolls, so that's a very, I mean, this is a rectangle. It's a long rectangle. It's a very long rectangle, and it's a different proportion. It's not the 5-8 proportion or the 2-3 proportions that you might see. Well, what's a papyrus?

4:10Scrolls were made of papyrus, weren't they? What? Scrolls were made of papyrus? Yes, scrolls were made of papyrus. When it was in sheets, it was in squares, but when Greek scrolls, it depends on which culture or which civilisation you're talking about. Egyptian scrolls, they read left to right, and it was in columns down the scrolls. So by the time you get to parchment, which is... Finally, finally, by the time you get to parchment, your catchphrase finally pays off. It's wall-to-wall showbiz this week. What's parchment? Parchment's got animal skin in it, and therefore the stretching, the particular means they used to stretch it, made it more oblong, okay?

4:43If you're making this up, it's very impressive. It sounds like a Will I Lies here. But reading is... Rectangles are the best way to organise both reading and writing. Do you know about the golden ratio as a thing? That's a facial thing. It's called phi, or sometimes phi in mathematics, P-H-I. That's the Greek letter that's used to symbolise it. And it's, roughly speaking, it's two to three, okay? That's, roughly speaking, is a golden ratio. And it's sort of obsessed mathematical thinkers. It's all connected with Fibonacci numbers. You see it in lots of things. Architecture, Le Corbusier was fascinated by the golden ratio.

5:18So Salvador Dali's Last Supper all conforms in these kind of obscure ways to the golden ratio. Also, though, music and things like posters, widescreen TVs. But the other way around. The other way around. But there's a reason it sort of works. Anyway, but there are obviously practical reasons. If it's wider than it is tall... This is amazing. Jonty, thank you so much for asking this question. If it's wider than it is tall, then there's too much pressure on the spine. Yeah, I've lost a lot of copies of Goodnight Moon to this exact problem. And I taped a lot of them up. and this is what happens. Good night, good night, moon.

5:49Mainly it's like ergonomic. Who is reading them? We need our hands like this. It's like blah, blah. And then... And our hands are rectangles, really. In some ways. In terms of how the pressure that can be put on them. Quite right. Yeah, it's a rectangular pressure. But it's the movement of the eyes. Now, I am conscious of talking to you about this because you'll say to me, well, my eyes don't move in this way. But in general, people's eyes is called circading. After a certain length... It's like a TED talk. It's silly. It's like a disorganised TED talk. That's right. Quite right. Okay. After a certain length of line, your eye gets lost and it finds it hard to reconnect with the start of the new line, but also too short and your eye is distracted by the different line lengths.

6:32And you sometimes get that thing. Do you ever get that thing where someone's, for some reason you reply to certain emails and for whatever reason the system that you've replied to means that there's a really, really long email and you have to kind of scroll along the bottom. It's like, what the hell is happening here? There is a certain length that is, and I'm saying this for people without your condition, but the eye can hook around the most easily and not flick around. There's a certain form of mathematical, not just satisfaction, but rationality, which is the golden ratio, which books are generally in the golden ratio.

7:04All of that has to work. And that's why we have our golden ratio books. Are you happy with that, John? Are you glad you asked? So books are in the golden ratio. OK, I love it. And lots of things are. And actually, the golden ratio is such an interesting thing to read about. It's this kind of harmonious proportions. And it's very, very interesting to delve into. I'm sure the golden ratio is also I can order from it on my Deliveroo. Yeah, it really does sound like that, doesn't it? Question for you, Richard, from Scott about the trade war. Rumours are floating about that China could ban American movies.

7:36What would the impact be to Hollywood? It would be substantial. The impact on Hollywood is the truth. Certainly it's not an impact, if you're in an industry that's not in the best shape anyway, not an impact that you would welcome. In China, they go and see a lot of movies. It's still a huge deal in China to see movies. Most of it is domestic, but it's 17 billion is the cumulative box office in China any given year. There was a point where they were building 600 movie theatres a week. Yeah, that sounds about right. Now, almost all of them being used to show episodes of television programmes. You will make this happen, won't you?

8:10Yeah, I will do. You will make it happen. Even if I have to relocate to China. To put that into perspective, 17 billion. The American box office is about 9 billion, something like that. So it's almost double the size of US box office. So an awful lot of people in China watch movies. As I say, most of it is domestic, but allowed films that go over there. They had a quota. They have a quota system. But the quota is not functioning the same way it used to. In the older days, it mattered so much that you got your movie into China. So much. And now less so. So the Minecraft movie probably took, which was one of the movies they've allowed in, because they don't allow lots and lots of movies in, that I think took 20 million.

8:49Of course it's not nothing. It's about a fifth of what the US box office was this particular week. Yeah, and it's one of those things. If you want to put an exact figure on it, it would cost about half a billion dollars to the US movie industry. It's not an enormous amount, but it's also not nothing when you think about the state the industry is in at the moment. So if China were to ban movies now, what the China have actually said was, we will limit them appropriately. It's the language they use. We will limit them appropriately. And appropriately is a word often used in Chinese diplomacy, which sort of means anything.

9:25It sort of means we can completely row back from this and not ban anything at all. Or we could put a complete blanket ban. I parent like this in time. This is exactly how I parent. It could mean anything. I'm going to limit your pudding appropriately. This is a ridiculous holding position that allows me to do anything in the future. They have definitely said, they've definitely spoken about limiting American movies. It might not happen at all. It might also cost them half a billion dollars. But it's certainly money that Hollywood wouldn't want to lose. But at the moment, listen, we'll see where that trade war goes.

9:57It'd be fairly easy for the Chinese to target American movies. Hollywood was so happy about Trump. Lots of those executives thought, oh, we'll get to do all the M &A stuff that we think is really essential for us to be able to survive. I was like, now, like Disney are like, sorry, we need a lot of steel for our parks and cruises. A lot. We're in the entertainment business. We are all in the ad business. And therefore, you've just messed up the ad. But anyone who's in the entertainment business, basically, those studios are in the ad business. And he's just made it incredibly difficult for them.

10:27Yeah, if you imagine you're one of those execs as well, you've got these two things, Richard, you think, well, look, if Trump gets in, it's good for us because this is going to be great at a corporate level. You know, there is going to be more money. And so Trump gets in. And so now I think it's actually really bad for us economically. And they think about they've still got the thing of every single person who works for them. Pretty much 95 percent of people who work for them are absolutely furious about Trump getting in as well. So they're like, oh, God, now I'm getting it from both sides. Like everybody hates me.

10:54No one's helping me out here. We weep for them. Do we not? Yeah, we also cry for them. Yeah, it's quite a soft target. But the Chinese do like having Western movies coming into the country. It gives them sort of, you know, an illusion that there is some freedom of choice. And that's quite a powerful thing. But yeah, appropriately, if you ever hear that in a Chinese context, that as you say is... Already the parenting one. Yeah. That's essentially, let's talk about it when your mum gets home. In terms of theme parks, which we talked about on Tuesday's show, you know, there's the big Disney theme parks in Shanghai and in Hong Kong.

11:29And obviously, if you were to lose Disney IP, that would be a huge deal. That, I don't think, is at risk. If that's at risk, then the trade war has got bigger problems. It feels like there are accommodations to be made there. A question for you, Marina, from Stephen Coyne, which I don't think is crypto, but you never know. It's Stephen Coyne. Stephen Coyne, yeah. Oh, my God, my Stephen Coyne has gone crazy. We're riding this to the moon. That is quite something Stephen says. How much work goes into a future series of a show during the first series production? For example, did the writing team of the franchise think about what would happen after the cliffhanger of season one anything i've ever been involved with yes you're thinking ahead by the way you could throw that all in the air and i'll come to that in a minute jesse armstrong doing succession he knew roughly where it was going and i mean you know it's kind of up there in the title but uh he knew roughly where it was going obviously every season you think how are we turning this wheel this time and anything can get thrown out because it's tricky on this on the on the series one thing because every time you launch a series one you're like i hope this runs forever and ever and ever and that thing of when you go, well, let's work out what would happen in series two.

12:34But in some ways, it feels like bad luck. It absolutely feels like sort of bad juju. And you're like, oh, my God, I just, I don't want to say anything. And you have to constantly catch yourself the way you're talking about it. I mean, I've had ideas for like pilots that I was already thinking what could happen that would completely upend everything in season two. In the franchise, yeah, we definitely had a full idea, not a full idea, but roughly where it was going. Then again, you know, I was remembering right in the middle of the night when I was thinking about this particular question, Right back at the start of development, I remember Sam Mandis and Amanda Ionichi, one of the things we were saying is, oh, maybe it could be on a different type of movie.

13:10Maybe they'd then be doing a children's franchise or a kind of like muscle car franchise or whatever it is. You know, there were all sorts of different ways you could do it. I would say that in general, and I know people who are working on some of the big, big successful US dramas at the moment. You get to the end of a season, nothing is set in stone. you don't then say if sometimes okay if there's source material like there was in sort of Game of Thrones or whatever then you sort of know what's going to happen equally everything in my experience and in most people it can be back on the table and if you suddenly if things haven't worked one of the things they often say to you is what about a time jump because let's leave this mess of your first season behind and kind of try and put it on a different footing for whatever reason there's lots of different things you can do and nothing I think most writers would say to you nothing can be off the table and you know the way it goes the way it's received if you have any off if you're lucky enough to have any sort of off season you might think oh hang on I just maybe the world the currents of the age are going a different way and you suddenly think oh this would be a fun way to take it and what's best is when you can always say oh I let's do this totally different thing having said that I do think you're always thinking to some extent in a path even if you're not voicing it aloud because you don't want to jinx it yeah you're setting things up you're thinking characters who are slightly underused in a season you know and when you're filming everyone goes oh my god we absolutely love this character and all the writers are like oh we we want to write more for that character that character needs a bigger arc in in season two and then you start maybe in the last episode you you introduce them a little bit more or people talk about configurations oh we haven't seen especially when you get into long running well you haven't seen much of those two together because what you're trying to say is you know these two random two we don't really often you know what would happen if we throw them together and we give them a story that has to play out you know it gives you different dynamics it's always the most fun thing in books is when you've got two characters you never had a scene together you're saying oh my god this would be fun um i remember on the first thursday murder club i obviously wanted to write a series but it's not in your gift as you know uh and so i left enough open-ended but i didn't do anything that you know you know sometimes when you watch something you read something and and at the end you go oh it's there's a sequel is there because there's something unanswered or undone and i made sure i didn't do any of that just just in case i was caught by my own hubris uh so you know you have to sort of hide the fact that um you want a sequel as well when I did Boys Unlimited the sitcom and the first series came out in 1998 and that was a shoe-in for a second series, it didn't happen, spoiler alert but we'd started some of the pre-preparation for the next series which was going to be a girl band competing with the boy band of Boys Unlimited.

15:41I love it, there's so many things you want to see. But also because it was coming out in 1999, they were going to do a boy band version of 1999 by Prince with a double A side with a boy band version of Old Lang Syne which was the thing I was most looking forward to putting together. That's so funny. I love that. Obviously, I love all these lost things that never happen. Yeah, exactly. But there are, it's interesting, things that had first series. There are so many lost storylines and lost characters who were never coming back. Perhaps there's a show in that. And the franchise from being the unloved thing, they became the sort of tentpole and that was going to be much more about, you know, you get everything you wish for and you get all the money and all the technocranes and all the power.

16:21Is that going to be season two of the franchise? It's the biggest movie in the world. Suddenly you've replaced, you are the tentpole, you're the sort of whatever. So we thought that would give us something different. But equally, you never know. You know, if you had got a second thing, you might have gone back and said, oh, let's change this totally. It's always good to be able to have the scope to totally just rethink it. Although, you know, people, you know, you could see in the first season of Lost, and there are other examples of it, where they throw everything. They just say, you know what, we're just going to throw everything at this.

16:49And you think we can work out the problems in season two and sometimes it takes a while so yeah sometimes you set things up which are never ever going to be seen ever again and sometimes you just go please God give us a second series and I'm aware there's an absolutely gaping logic flaw here somewhere that people need us to fix but that's a problem for next year's me Shall we go to a break and hope we've got a part two of this episode Let's hope we have a sequel to this I'm really looking forward to the narrative arc in the second half

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18:31Welcome back, everybody. Welcome back. After a time jump, it's now five years later. Yes. Can I ask a question? Why are books all now square? That's something that's happened, isn't it? Like in the last 18 months or so, after the end of the trade war. Well, as the CEO of TED Talks, which is, as you know, enjoyed a huge revival under my leadership. And by the way, lovely to have you in so many of my cinemas. Can I ask you something about actors with tattoos, Richard? You can, yes. Because Paul would like to know. People have been very, very lax with surnames. It's almost like they don't want you to do a four-minute riff and say, right, I'm putting you in my book as a sort of, you know, homicidal snooker player in the next...

19:10Hold on a minute. Actually, hang on a second. That's a great idea, a homicidal snooker player. Why have you got a snooker queue? Because I play snooker. It's nothing more sinister than that. Yeah, why have you got a long case carrying something? Listen, I always find Stephen Coyne, he gave his surname, he got away scot-free. All right, well, Paul hasn't. Let's imagine he's got a surname. Okay. Paul Scot-free is a double barrel. Paul Scot-free. Paul Scot-free. Paul Scot-free says, tattoos are now incredibly common, particularly with younger adults. Aren't they? Would an actor with prominent tattoos be automatically excluded from some roles?

19:42If they were otherwise perfect for the role, but they had a huge tattoo across their chest, which might require shirtless scenes, would casting directors still consider the actor or decide that the makeup editing is not worth it? Yeah, it's an interesting question because all young people have tattoos. You can't watch a football match now. The sleeves on people, it's unbelievable. Actors are told not to have tattoos. agents will say if you can avoid you know huge body art then it's probably best because you can put makeup over them but obviously the more tattoos you have if you're going to be in bridgerton and you've got you know sleeves and back just covered in tattoos then your costume sort of could cover it up but what if you've got tattoos on your hands there's all sorts of roles where it would be an absolutely loads but you know you're chris evans you're in a marvel movie but what you're buying yourself is an extra hour in the chair every single day exactly that so you will find that actors have fewer tattoos than say footballers or normal members of the human race civilians let's call them civilians let's call them angelina jolie has got a lot sometimes her character um fox which is in the uh the wanted movie her tattoos become part of her character and part of her plot not the billy bob thornton tattoo but the interesting with tattoos is that the other difficult issue is they are actually copyrighted anytime you see a tattoo it belongs to the artist who tattooed that on you so actually showing that true i did not know that it is well the hangover got in trouble ed helms wakes up with that mike tyson face tattoo and the hangover producers were sued there's a guy called victor whitmill who created that tattoo and the hangover producers had to settle out of court with victor yeah exactly so yeah it's one of those things where you will find that actors have fewer tattoos than other people, it is an enormous pain.

21:29I guess you could take them out with CGI. But if you're an actor, you are discouraged from having too many tattoos, which in the music business and the football business, you are not discouraged. If you want to be the US Secretary of Defense, though, just keep getting the sleeves, the Crusades tattoos. I think if you were a time traveller from the 1970s, you crash-landed in 2025, of all the things that would surprise you and there would be an awful lot I bet the main thing would be watching the football and seeing that literally every single person has arms full of tattoos you'd be like wow I genuinely think it would be that the US defence secretary's got a net tattoo or something I mean no I'm sorry I just I think if you're from that like sort of post-war like Eisenhower generation you're like sorry now what you've got a what now you've got what now?

22:20By the way, I was saying in future, if you do send in just your first name, I will provide a surname for you. You get more of an idea of someone if you get the surname as well, don't you? Richard will fit you with a surname, whether you wish to be or not. I will retrofit. It'll be a cut and shut. It might be completely inappropriate, but listen, that's the risk you take. The old Osman nomenclature chop shop. If you don't want to be grafted onto the body of something completely different. Did you say the old Osman nomenclature, did you say the old osman nomenclature it's not the repair shop is it it's not as catchy wow nomenclature is hard thing to say the nomenclature the nomenclature chop ah try saying everyone at home try saying nomenclature chop shop you did amazingly that's a skill you didn't know you had let's move on yeah okay we move on to someone who has provided us with a surname and what a surname as well richard herring the wonderful podcaster and comedian he asks this hi guys a long-time listener first time caller richard herring here uh on instagram i keep on seeing clips of films and sitcoms where they allege that a bit was improvised during filming but they always seem to be well captured by the film crew are any of them actual examples of total spontaneity in the moment.

23:42I accept some that may have been improvised in rehearsals, but given the little I know about filming stuff, none of the ones I've seen seem to be real. Did Aniston really not know a dummy was about to be thrown downstairs? I mean, that's about the best one I can think of. Did Johnny Depp improvise falling down some steps, even though it's filmed from about 16 angles? They are relentless and I think quite offensive to the actors and writers who are often accused of corpse in when they're just laughing in character or whatever anyway love the show steve keep up the good work this is me rich herring goodbye okay well i do think that some of the those drive me mad by the way instagram is full of people saying they didn't even know the cameras were on or these two actors went completely off script yes you can always tell if there's something like a single camera sitcom i don't know something like the office then you can see how they get it if there's lots of cameras then of course not it's much harder it reminds me that bit in broadcast news do you remember where um he interviews a rape victim and then he's shown crying on the footage and then she works out that actually they only had one camera so he's faked his tears because they only and that's the sort of plot point there but there is a really big tradition as we've talked about before in american comedy of improv and certain people are just they'll do all the proper takes and they'll do the i'll get the coverage and everything and then for their own coverage they'll say can we do a loose one can we do a loose take and someone like kieran culkin's session was absolutely brilliant at improvising they ended up losing lots of his things there's a bit in community you know i was trying to work out whether nicholas cage is a good or a bad actor and it's and they knew that he was going to do this big sort of monologue at the end it was set up but they didn't know what he was going to say it's absolutely go and watch that clip it's absolutely brilliant they didn't know and he didn't know he was so in depth into like the nicholas cage thing at that time there's a scene in season three i think of the u.s office where michael's accidentally outed oscar within the office as being gay there's a sort of you know didn't even want of it all.

25:34And then he actually ends up kissing Oscar, which it wasn't at all scripted. It's completely improvised. If you look, because remember it's single camera, so you're able to see some of the cast break character completely because it's just so ridiculous. It's a sort of a brilliant sort of iconic scene. A really famous one, it ended up being part of a cold open in Friends. Billy Crystal and Robin Williams, they had a movie called like Father's Day, which was for some engagement to do with it or whatever. They were on the lot and the producers, the writers saw them and they went onto the friend set and they said, will you do a bit?

26:05And they're on the sofa and they're these two friends and they completely, I mean, they are obviously genuine comic geniuses and they improvise this extraordinary thing about this guy who's telling, and Monica's trying to tell an anecdote, I think, I think this is, sorry, if memory serves, Monica's trying to tell some anecdote about something that happened to her. They get so sucked into these two guys having a conversation where he's saying, my wife's sleeping with someone else, I think it's a gynecologist, and then it becomes clear that actually the person he's sleeping with is the other one and it becomes this thing and then they break up their friendship and then they leave and then Monica's like I can't remember what I was going to say now but that's a simple shot again what you're saying Richard you know there's bits like yes if there's a camera at the top of the stairs maybe they did it in rehearsals but then you knew it was going to happen but that is a sort of fairly simple frame shot of the sofa of these two people interacting so it is possible so yes lots of times they kind of come at the end in a sort of loose take often those kind of great improvised moments when you know you've got the shot so you've got it so you've got the storyline You know, you've got the script as was written and then you try extra things.

27:04But often on Instagram, there are those things where people say, oh, the two actors just completely changed what was happening. And then, you know, they'll go somewhere and there'll be a fire outside. You think, well, obviously that's not improvised. They hit every mark. There are three cameras on theirs. And also every writer who's ever lived when they're going, yeah, you know, that was the script we wrote pretty much. You know, not everybody is Steve Carell. And like you were talking about Jason Momoa doing improv in the Minecraft movie. not all actors can do it. Well, I mean, you know, audiences aren't hating it.

27:34Well, the sudden turning out for it, who knows how much that's great he improvised. But one of my favourite things in the world is just to watch, you know, the American office bloopers. I mean, you can just spend forever. They're all absolutely brilliant and they love to do it like that. And, you know, actually American actors in UK sitcoms will often ask for takes like that at the end when they know they've got everything because it's so in their blood and their bones and their sort of training that they just want to do improv takes at the end. Yeah, and also to try and make each other laugh.

27:59There's lots in the Anchorman outtakes where you've got to do a list or you've got to give an example of something. And every single take, Will Ferrell will give a different example of the thing just to try and break everybody else. And I'll watch those all day. You want a name? Because here's a name. Oh, great. And by the way, I'm going to mispronounce it. I'm so sorry. Talon Aslanian or Aslanian. Either way, I love it. That's a good name. Yeah, that's also a question. I'd be happy if I came up with that. I'd really love to know how cinemas actually play the physical films. Are they downloaded onto a system?

28:30Has someone plugged in a memory stick? How do cinemas stop employees sending themselves a copy to watch at home? It used to be, of course, that cinemas took reels of film, which were incredibly long and incredibly heavy. Each reel would be about 2 ,000 feet worth of film. So the average film would weigh about 30 kilograms. Titanic, which is three hours and 15 minutes long, that was 17 reels. So it means the theatrical release was over three miles of film. So every single cinema showing that has got three miles of film that they have to spool up and re-spool, and that doesn't happen anymore. Everything is now digital.