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1:22Hello, and welcome to another edition of the Restless Entertainment Questions edition. I'm Marina Hyde. I'm Richard Osmond, Question and Answers edition. I have a question from Matthew Bell. Matthew Bell asks I'd like to know what is the average lead in time from an actor getting the part to the first day on set? The answer is it completely varies sometimes you get a part many months in advance or if you're playing in a TV series and you know you're going to be the lead actor the shorter ones can be relatively quick and you might find if you're just doing a short character arc or you're doing essentially a cameo episode you could get that job quite quickly as I've said before actors are amazing and they instinctively understand these parts so quickly but there are some really interesting examples from movie history of people who absolutely take a part and make it theirs because either someone has had to pull out for one reason.

2:07I think Nicole Kidman was going to be in Panic Room and she pulled out and Jodie Foster went in. Oh, really? And that whole performance is last minute. But then there are things like in Jaws, Steven Spielberg did not have Quint or Hope, the Robert Shaw character or the Richard Dreyfuss character, nine days before filming started. I mean, that's almost like a three-hander, that movie. It didn't even have the shark. The shark, as you know, was very problematic. It was a squid originally. and then at the last minute Well the shark was so malfunctioned so often and looked so you know looked wrong in so many things that necessity being the mother of invention he had to essentially take it out of it quite a lot and just use the idea of it and so you saw it as an idea of pursuit and yeah it turned out quite well for him Yeah didn't it just Viggo Mortensen as Aragon in Lord of the Rings Peter Jackson fired the guy who was Aragon on the first day and so he had to come in there's some really sad ones like that Back to the Future originally had Eric Stoltz in it and he started filming and they couldn't get Michael J Fox he was doing Family Ties which is a big American sort of 80s sitcom and then they just saw it's not working with Eric Stiles they began talks with Michael J Fox and said we could film in the evenings after he's finished her Family Ties but by the way most of Back to the Future is filmed after Michael J Fox has already done a whole day's work on a sitcom I mean what that's like Alexander Armstrong on Pointless he does classic of him in the morning then he does Pointless I mean it's exactly the It's very, very, very similar, very similar to the Back to the Future thing.

3:33So they start shooting lots of scenes where they're only shooting Christopher Lloyd's coverage. And then Michael J. Fox comes in and becomes Marty McFly. Hugh Jackman, Wolverine, it was going to be Doug Ray Scott. And I think he got injured in Mission Impossible. And therefore they pulled in Hugh Jackman, who said, I think this sounds stupid, this thing. But his wife at the time said, no, do it. People are going to like this sort of stuff. Turned out to be quite a good decision. Yeah, didn't it? There are huge numbers of people who come in at the last minute and make it work. And it is something to do with that instinctive understanding.

4:03And if the casting is right, then it can really work. Yeah, it's interesting as casting directors will tell you quite often. I mean, you'll have a movie will be hung around a particular piece of talent. Talk about Thursday Murder Club. If you're Helen Mirren and Pierce Brosnan and Ben Kingsley, when do your schedules coincide? Yeah. And then that's when you film. And then you start working with everyone else. and there's lots of people who then can't do those dates, of course. And we're a couple of weeks out from filming at the moment. And as you know, with all movies, all TV shows, you're writing right up to the last minute.

4:36I'm not writing, but it's being rewritten. And when you write and rewrite, characters get lost, characters come in. So there's characters who are literally only just sort of going in. So people are auditioning right now for a movie that starts in two weeks' time. I think that's very common with actors, isn't it? Sometimes you'll be like, it's very rare you'll get a job and say, look it's in nine months time but very often you'll get a job and you'll say look you need to be in Wales in nine days time yeah speaking Chris Columbus your director yes Joe Pesky for Home Alone was an unbelievably last minute thing and thought I don't really want to do this why am I doing this but anyway turned up and aced it I've had one evening with Chris Columbus I'm looking forward to spending more time with him and I'm going to get so many stories about Hollywood and about Spielberg and about Spielberg's coming over as well so we're going to get a load of stories um throughout the summer we'll be there any any any q and a's uh that i can give to chris columbus or steven spielberg just let me know yeah just in the shareable file please yes ask him to speak shareably and of course non-shareably for your own personal consumption yes exactly that one for you richard very much so about darts cameras from kane whitehead i've recently been watching a lot of darts on tv and noticed that the production is very good at zooming into the right number or being on the number that the player is aiming for extremely quick how can the production team get the camera moved to such an accurate spot so fast thank you kane kane whitehead sounds like the name of a darts player yes it does you know just someone who gets knocked out in the last 16 of the windmill masters um it's an easy one really i mean darts there are certain ways of coming down from certain numbers so normally we know that someone's going for the 20s throughout most of the thing but they also know all of the players so they know that sometimes they'll come down from 19 if the bed is blocked so they know for most of the game where they're heading and at the end when there's checkouts again they're very traditional ways of going for it alongside the directors who were all incredibly experienced of shooting darts throwing darts shooting darts uh they have ex-pros called spotters who will call where the player is going to go so they will know the players very well they'll know if they're on 111 they know exactly where they're going to go if they and if they score that they know where they're going to go so you've got these spotters who will call out exactly where to go next you've got camera operators who are very used doing that crash zoom um and you see it when it goes wrong you see it when someone does something unexpected and you suddenly have to do a sort of very quick whip pan yeah but it's a the predictability of what you would normally be going for plus the fact that you do have professional former professionals and people who know the game of every single player literally sitting in the gallery calling out to you where to go next like a kind of ask if they're in the gallery yes yes they'll absolutely be in the gallery and also the commentators know where they're going to be heading all that stuff but the shooting of dance is one of the great joys of british television is you know the um split screen yeah which was invented by a camera operator in the 70s said would this help yeah that helps uh and you know being able to have those close-ups on the board and on the player's face and all that kind of stuff with most sports you want to introduce a friend to cricket or something so come watch a bit of the cricket and see how long they last it'll be like four minutes tops they go what sorry what is this that even 2020 they're going yeah i don't what are you making me watch here with darts they'll do four seconds of yeah but why are they and they go oh my god oh what's he gonna oh wow it's like it's so beautifully formatted and beautifully shot the darts it's a very very easy sport to get someone yeah it's made it so accessible all of those advances have made it even more accessible and also because weirdly it has characters who you wouldn't cast in normal sports and that's quite that's quite fun for people as well there's always some sort of you go why has that guy got a green cockatoo haircut and you know that's not like watching the tennis that's not like carlos alcaraz but yes spotters is the answer to that but kane whitehead definitively if i was writing a book now about darts player i might call him kane whitehead that would be good yeah thank you so much everyone for sending in all your top threes i love them my enforced top three yeah yeah i've got so many now what i call the Marina Hyde enforced top three section of the show.

8:42This one is from Kirstie Patrick. She asks, I would like to know your top three TV chefs. Kirstie says, I'll be disappointed if Gordon Ramsay doesn't feature. I would say, knowing you, knowing me, prepare to be disappointed. Prepare for disappointment. My favourite Gordon Ramsay moment was that soccer raid. We've just had soccer aid. As you know, it's a very, he's all in a good cause. And there's celebrities playing actual footballers. And there's a moment where Teddy Sherry actually clatters him. and it is. So no, he's not in my top three. I would have to say that you don't watch him cook that much, but I'd have to say Anthony Bourdain.

9:17I think he's one of the most incredible people, such a great loss, a really interesting, interested person. I think he's absolutely amazing. My number two is quite unconventional. They're not real. There was a really small and short, but so good little program called Posh Nosh with Arabella Weir and Richard E. Grant. Okay. And they play a couple, and he's the sort of, who are TV chefs. He's horrific. And she tries to be supportive of his wife, called Minty, I think she is. And it's really funny. That shot, as we all know, is sort of, you know, in a staged home kitchen of a man and a woman as his sort of help meet.

9:57It's really good, and it's very good on lots of the conventions of those types of shows and on human relations in general. Very funny. So Posh Nosh, that'll be available somewhere. Posh Nosh, I don't know. You'll be able to find it. It's probably on YouTube. and my number one is Nigella because and she would also say I've said maybe all of these are cheats because she'd say I'm not a chef I am a cook I absolutely love all her food I love her screen persona which is really as all of these things they have to be quite authentic is her real persona yeah um just the way she talks about indulgence and she doesn't apologize for things and she'd never say the words guilty pleasures and the way she's sort of quite inaccurate about things as she was I'm so inaccurate and I burn things off because I'm trying to hurry up she is a sort of friend in the kitchen and I really felt during the pandemic when you know none of us ever went out anywhere and you and meals became a really important thing I felt like she was one of those people even though she I wasn't watching her sometimes I would watch the tv programs but I was cooking from all her books at home and she was a real friend to have in the kitchen so she is my number one so I do my top three yes please do um number three Keith Floyd yeah I was really hard to leave him off again they show um they show old episodes of him on on Saturday Kitchen they go to Keith Floyd and it's a very sort of early form of gonzo television he was like the proto-Clarkson yeah Keith Floyd yes you're right that's a really good way of looking at it I hadn't thought of that very entertaining cooks well goes out into communities just you know so I love him number two just because I love his passion and I think he's a great tv presenter again I always come at this from a producer's point of view rather than a an eater's point of view I love Rick Stein.

11:31Yeah. I think he's brilliant. I love him on television. I love, again, his passion. My number one from a TV producer's point of view, which I think is someone who has turned the TV cookery show into real art and, again, who connects incredibly well with viewers. And my number one would also be Nigella. That's nice. That was a rug pull, wasn't it? Yeah, there you go. Oh, you see. Yeah, she's great. Queen of all she surveys, quite rightly. Yeah, she's really, really terrific. Nadi Hussein is very, very good. Yeah, she's she's coming up on the rear I think and all her recipes come out which sometimes they don't with these people, that does matter yeah it does matter but yeah Nigella she's created like a whole genre to herself and a warmth when you turn it on you know what you're watching it's so beautifully shot and it's very very intimate as well and it's always about so much more than food just as her writing was, she always talked about the possibilities of food writing as someone that can take you into something much deeper and I find it so interesting, I think she's brilliant on all the different levels.

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14:42Welcome back, everybody. This one is very much for you, Richard, because it's about the Taskmaster House. I'm obsessed with the Taskmaster house too so I want to know the answer James Wyatt says I imagine that at the start of the show the house must have been rented by Avalon or Dave but surely it must be so important to the Taskmaster brand now that it is owned by them if so, how many series did it take to justify purchasing it outright? Do you know what? I thought exactly the same, James Funnily enough, I have to have some Andy Devonshire who did his favourite three ever Taskmaster tasks last week and I stupidly said Rosie Jones instead of Rose Matafeo For the chickpea funeral For the chickpea funeral It was, of course, Rosemata Feo.

15:18So apologies to Andy because he certainly told me it was Rosemata Feo. That was my own poor brain. And weirdly, I was talking to Andy about the house as well because obviously I did Taskmaster in Series 2 and someone keeps putting the location on Google Maps. Yes, I know. I've looked at it before. You know on Google Maps where it will tell you various places and they're constantly trying to get it taken down because people go along and actually... It's a black site. Don't, yeah, exactly. They won't make it like a CIA black site. It's like CIA. If you look from Google Maps, it's literally just a crater.

15:45Yeah. If you do go along, there's not an awful lot you can see, is the truth. There's quite high gates. And also, it's on quite a busy main road as well. So it's not like... Yes, that's another part of it that you can tell. Yeah, and it's nowhere near the Tube. Do they own it now? No, I assume they did. They still rent it. They still rent it, which is... I guess because right from the start... That's the London rental. Even the producers of a hit series cannot actually buy in London. Yeah, it's exactly that. And it's a funny little house. it looks I assume it was like a gatehouse to something it's very near a big um gym one of the you know the big complexes which I assume maybe that had a manor house and this was the like a little tiny gatehouse to that that's what it feels like it's at the start of a big long drive um it's a very unusual place because I don't think anyone would really want to live in it if that makes sense it's in a very unusual place if you want to look at it as a house you'd be like I'm literally at the junction of two really busy roads there's no other houses around and it's quite an unusual house I'm not even sure there's an upstairs I don't think there is It doesn't have a feel of an upstairs You sometimes feel the little room where they go to might be upstairs the little room with the things at the shelves There's the main room with the picture of Greg and the nice things which is sort of a living room There's a very very small kitchen There's a dressing room which is the one room you never ever see which is where the contestant sits while they're waiting for the task to be set up, like just a little dressing room with a little desk, looking out over a fence.

17:16I mean, there's no view at all. So you just sit there and read the papers and have a cup of tea and you can hear all these noises outside as they're kind of moving things into place. It could be anything. But yeah, I don't think it's really something that anyone would buy as a house. So yeah, they rented it right at the beginning and they're still renting it now, kind of 18 series in or whatever they are. So yeah, I would say if you're a fan of Taskmaster, there's not an awful lot to see if you do go and visit that house. Very occasionally when they're filming, they'll get noise from outside as people are trying to see in.

17:48You can't see in. So even if you go there when people are filming, all you're going to be is an annoyance and you'll be asked to move. And it will be a runner asking you to move rather than James Acaster. So yeah, there's not a huge amount in the tourist attraction of the Taskmaster house. But yeah, it's always been in the same place. Anyone who lives in West London, it's really near their house. So when you get a task where it's like, order this, you just go, oh, that's easy. I've got the number of all the local cabbies and I've got the number of all the local takeaways. This should be okay. It's by the river, but it is rented.

18:24I cannot imagine anyone ever actually buying it. Although now, of course, you'd be buying the Taskmaster house. You'd be buying the Taskmaster house. I hope the landlord's not a real sort of rentier capitalist and put the rent up ridiculously and then says, and actually now I'm selling it as the Dark Smell Storehouse. That I will find out. But knowing Avalon as I do, I don't care what sort of landlord you are, you're not going to be a harder bastard than Avalon. I was about to say. I forgot it was that. That was who they were dealing with. Marina, one for you. Sam Smith has written in, I'm assuming, the pop star.

18:58Of course, just always assume. Sam Smith asks, I've always wondered how the channel numbers get decided. How competitive is it to get higher up the channel list? And does it make much of a difference nowadays? Oh, right, Sam. Well, it makes slightly less difference than it used to, but it's still hugely important. There are whole companies that will sell slots on the EPG. That's the Electronic Programming Guide. It's called slot trading. I mean, they can go for 20 million pounds because it really matters where you are in those slots. and most people have a sort of hierarchy in the way they navigate their TV and still most people will turn their TV on and see what is on and then they will look at the linear EPG then they'll look if they've got any recordings of things that they want to watch and then they might browse on demand so that is still, although it may not be the way as always, it may not be the way you do it it is still the way most people do it and live is very important still and there's lots of things that people might want to watch live either because they want to do it with second screens and talk about it while they're watching it or because that's simply, it's obviously things like sport, it goes without saying.

20:05The HD channels, which are the sort of normal broadcast. Oh, they're so hard to find. Okay, they're really hard to find because they're really far down in the EPG. Only 15 % of people watch those channels. People prize laziness far more than they prize picture quality. I do, certainly. Yeah, so do I. My eyesight's so bad anyway. No, it doesn't matter. HCTV is a waste of money for me. I'm going to have to go down to, sorry, 2 ,000 and what now? Yeah, it's really, nobody wants to do this. Okay. Now, Freely, the updated version of Freeview, the new Media Act will give prominence that they just managed to get in the washing up period just before Parliament finished.

20:41They realised that they were going to give prominence on the EPG to the on-demand players, so that the, you know, the BBCs and the big broadcasters, the public service broadcasters. But what they didn't do, they omitted to do, was to give prominence to the EPG itself. Okay. Yes, so they didn't actually do that. But they still do remember, the broadcasters always insist with manufacturers when they're making the remote controls that they still have numbers on them. Yeah. Otherwise, you could just have your button for Netflix. You could have your button for whatever. Yes, that's true. But it's really important.

21:12And the reason they insist it is because where you are and where you are in those slots is still really important. And people know the numbers and they absolutely insist that manufacturers have to produce them with numbers on the remote control. Like everyone of my generation, our remote control, my grandparents' remote control, always you couldn't see the one and the three because they've been worn out, and the two and the four were like, I mean, I've never watched it. So this new thing, so with the freely, it won't, so the EPG just won't appear on your front page? They should have done that, and this could be amended.

21:43You want to give prominence to the linear EPG because linear is still really important. People keep saying, oh, end of broadcast, that's the end of linear. It's not at all. People want that. There's lots of things you can do within linear channels. so those slots still remain important slightly less than they were but still very very important and that's why they go for these kind of huge numbers uh because it really matters and obviously the lower down you are the better because people honestly get bored after two and a half pages well there's always i think it's because some people's remote control some people's remote control can only go in one way so so if you're flicking up a program number it goes one two three four five six seven but some of them go back the other way so if you press downwards from bbc I think it's like Radio Essex Digital or something.

22:24And I would love, this is something, if anyone out there knows that, I would love to know if the ratings for Radio Essex Digital are substantially higher than for pretty much any other radio station, because so many people accidentally press down instead of up. Yeah, on mine you can go, yeah, and you can go back, and I often find myself on those things and think, how did I go here? But it's quite literally a simple slip of the thing. Yes, anything in the middle of the carousel is dead. is in real trouble, like Gems TV and stuff like that. It's like a weird day when you're scrolling that far down that you're getting to, yeah, Gems TV plus one.

22:58But, you know, it's amazing things stuck in the middle. Talking Pictures TV is quite a long way down it, and that's an unbelievable channel. The hundreds are big because people know the hundreds. So, you know, if you're doing something like On Sky, 501 for the news, 503 for the BBC, which was a big bone of contention. but anyway once you get to 100 and you think okay now i'm into the shopping or i'm now i'm into the that matters kids news yeah the one thing right at the end of the epg now on on lots of certainly lg i don't know about the others that is going to be huge and at the moment isn't i suspect it's because where they are on the epg is all the fast channels which are the free ad funded um ones where it's literally 24 hour a day um homes under the hammer or 24 hours a day nothing to declare or just like a whole channel of this stuff which actually i think the second people find them you know 24-hour escape to the country yeah if they did a bit of slot trade yeah those channels are becoming as you say much much more significant and if they end up because they're doing they do better and better they will slot trade and they will go further much much further up in the epg and we'll be able to see from who thinks the homes under the hammer channel is really well you know which by the way will be worth a lot yeah who thinks that they're doing particularly well by how low they buy in the epg there's like 24-hour point this you can just watch the whole time it's interesting paramount make a huge amount of their money from these fast channels people are making more and more and more which is just taking your catalog and just putting them one after the other so you can always dip in you can always see something of a show that comforts you or that you love yeah at the moment you can have a little scroll through your thing they're right at the bottom there's loads of them but uh i think they'll get uh they will get bigger and bigger and bigger it's interesting sorry this is a sort of sidebar but where which people who do who do um who but who does these sort of buyout things when i was on the plane i went on ba to the us it was so hard not to watch a paramount show because they've obviously got done a deal and everything you see for so long is yellowstone or tulsa king whatever which is fine by me but it was really interesting i thought god it's actually quite hard to see that they've got anything else yeah because they run you through absolutely every single paramount thing yes one of those things where please tick this box if you don't not want to watch a paramount show hold on a minute do i i'm just going to watch one it was yeah because because we're lazy yeah we prize laziness as humans over almost everything else especially in terms of our tv we certainly do thank you for listening everyone okay riot 24 via youtube asks us what are your top tv theme tunes please top three tv theme tunes yeah absolute classic textbook stuff um i'm just going to come straight out number three i'm gonna say rent a ghost i was god i was gonna i nearly put that in my time through i was thinking about it.

25:38It's so brilliant. You're not really supposed to quote lyrics because then you have to clear them but to pre-see them, if you have a mansion house and it were to require haunting who might you call? You might call the people at Rent-A-Ghost. Well I love any show that explains itself in the theme tune. Exactly like Beverly Hillbillies and things like that. So this is the idea of this show. Fresh Prince is a full experience. Different strokes. But it's good because some people, their entire pilot is this is the idea of the show. If you just It's got someone singing what the idea, which, by the way, my number one is also one of those.

26:13Number two, because, listen, it's cheating really because it's not a theme tune. It's a commercial song that's used as a theme song, which people do a lot, is Peep Show, which uses Flagpole Sitter by Harvey Danger, which is an absolute cracker. And my number one, again, it's a song that describes what's going to happen in the show and who the star of the show is. It might be. It's written by a Canadian gentleman. And it's a show, do you know what, I was talking about this show the other day and there's a certain generation who do not know this show at all, it's completely got lost. So the first thing I want you to do at the end of this episode is go and look up the music to this song.

26:49And it's The Littlest Hobo. Oh! There's a voice, keeps on calling me. All of that. And I could sing it, and again, I'm not allowed to sing it, but in my head I'm always singing it. I'm just about to quote the full lyrics. Yeah, I mean, you're not allowed to. That's a really good story of the week explainer. This is the story of the week show because I have to keep moving on. Littlest Hobo was a dog, an Alsatian, who essentially would turn up in various places. Somehow, I must watch some more Littlest Hobo because I don't know how the writers pull it off, would somehow solve some problem. Swiftly ingratiate himself.

27:26Swiftly ingratiate himself for some meat. Got to be a good tourist. And then you turn around and he's gone again. Yeah. You know, every stop he makes. He has left things just a little bit better than how he found them. Exactly. The littlest hobo. Would you have a top three on that? Okay. My top three are, it's really hard because I want to sport one and I am, and it's tricky. I was grandstand, obviously, but I think I'm going to go with the former Test Match Cricket on the BBC. It's called Soul Limbo. Yeah, by Bucatee. Yeah, because also Ski Sunday. Yeah, Ski Sunday was brilliant. Also, on my Desert Island Discs, I had the music to the snooker.

28:02Oh, did you? That was on my Desert Island Discs, yeah. And yet I haven't put it in my top three. You see, speaking of Desert Island, there's a great Tom Stofford play called The Real Thing in which the lead character is a playwright who's being asked to choose his Desert Island disc songs. And he keeps thinking, you know, you want to choose something that's really intellectual, but actually your best ones are, and this is going to inform what my number one is, so I'll come back to that later. Number two, I'm going to choose the succession theme because it's so odd. It's brilliant. It's so discordant and weird and it's such a mood.

28:30And that's amazing when you think of, obviously you see the pictures and so you understand certain things about the show but the kind of discordance of that gets you into such a mood before and it goes on and it's a long one you can when you've got an ass television you can put a full hbo hour you've got the entire ad there's no advertising you can get quite into and i i think it's so amazing and it really you know and people had it as their phone ring and there's something really unusual and strange about it your top three is much better than my top three for someone who's reluctant to do top you're very good at them what number one and number one because it's joyous it's an oral explanation but it does count as part of the theme tune is the a-team okay so because i i know those words still but and if sorry most people will be too young for this but please just go on youtube and watch this whole thing um because there's a voice that tells you their backstory and then segues into the actual theme tune which is extremely rousing yes i actually came back down the aisle at my wedding on the way back down the aisle to the A team no way did you not the bit but not the voice right we've uh yeah we came back to things can only get better I walked down the aisle to lose yourself by Eminem you did it yeah yeah you only get one shot all of that and um and Ingrid walked down to the long unwinding road oh so I kind of I I'd gee them up yeah and then uh then the whole place in in floods you're top three is much better than mine.

29:55No, it wasn't. Yeah. Well, thank you very much. Well, listen, I can't believe I'm using this phrase, but keep sending us your top threes. You see? Keep sending us your questions and top threes. Yeah, and top threes. The address is therestisentertainment at gmail.com. That was so much fun. Thank you so much. It was great fun. And thank you for listening, everyone. And we'll see you next Tuesday. See you next Tuesday.

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