Will Ross Kemp Win Celebrity Traitors?

24:42Because no celebrity is being driven to Inverness unless they live in Fort William. Which I just don't think Geri does. I don't think she does. I believe she lives in a fort. I do not believe she lives in Fort William. Richard, I couldn't pick it, but who do you think could win this? I mean, it sort of depends who the traitors are. But let's assume there's a 50-50 chance a traitor wins or a faithful wins anyway, which the statistics are not crazily different from. I would say, can I pick three people? Yeah. James Blunt. I was going to say, yeah. Joanne McNally. Yeah. Julie Hesman-Holch. Those are my three.

25:22I'm not seeing anyone outside that. Professor Hannah Fry will be great, but I think, again, she will be too dangerous for people. If anyone, as we know, who is recruited late to become a traitor, if it's any of those, would be the strongest position and any of those could take it then, particularly as someone like Julie Hesman-Halsh, especially if she's functioned as some kind of slightly mother-like figure within the reality TV family. And, you know, listen, we must never bet, and it's just a reminder that we predicted who was going to win the last one, and we did not predict Alan Carr, but I don't suppose anybody in Britain predicted Alan Carr.

26:00No. Certainly after the first episode. And that's the joy of the format. Yeah. Well, I must say we will be talking about it nonstop when it's happening. We will. Which will probably be in October, I should think. After the break, James Bond and the Cranberries united at last.

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29:07Welcome back, everybody Now, as promised, we're going to be talking about Linger A song you might have heard all over the place recently It's 33 years old, it's a Cranberries song And I think the backstory of this song was that it was one of the very first ones, if not the first song they sort of wrote. Yes, I think Dolores O 'Riordan wrote it when she was 17. Yeah, I think she'd been like dumped at a disco or something. Which was the original title. Yeah. It's now getting millions of streams a day. And I think it's so interesting. I want to talk about what happens. How do songs suddenly seem like they're everywhere in the air and have that big cultural moment?

29:45Given how many big songs there were in the 90s, how come just a couple of them really, really rise to the top and become the Normo hits? Yeah, a big part of it normally is sync, which is the soundtracking of things that you might be watching or what have you. So Linger was in, because we should say there were bigger Cranberries hits, which also have done very well out of sync, which is something like Dreams used to be the bigger one. Zombie are the biggest of all, probably. Zombie, yeah. and those still, by the way, have a life. I mean, I saw something in the cinema the other day and thought, all right, Dreams is back on the trailer thing.

30:24But Linger was in Summer I Turned Pretty, which became a sort of huge hit. And also, and this is one of the big drivers, is it was in Love Story, the Ryan Murphy thing about Carolyn Bissett and John F. Kennedy Jr. So if you look, Billboard have got a thing called the Top TV Songs and you can see. Is that right? Yeah, it's really interesting. It's quite hard to find on their sort of website bit. And Apple actually do this. Charts of what are the big things. And Love Story totally dominated that chart. I think Linger was only, the only thing bigger than it was Fade Into You, Mazzy Star from Love Story as well.

31:01I didn't know that. Wow, that takes me back. I know. Yeah, I know. It does really take you back. But actually in the case of Linger, a big part of, speaking to people sort of all around this, A big part of it is TikTok in the case of Linger. There's something like Stranger Things where you know it's to do with sync and it's like Kate Bush. Yeah, running up that hill. I think we're alone now, all of those things. So part of the reason it explodes is that for obvious reasons, we all know there is so much content. There's more than there's ever been and people are soundtracking their own lives with this stuff and posting them.

31:36And when these things get put into playlists and your Spotify algorithm notices it's never getting skipped, then they push it even further. Netflix shows help because they have the most eyeballs probably, but if you look at something that happened like, I don't know, Heated Rivalry, which was on that Canadian streamer, Crave, but it went to HBO. What happened to Tattoo then where they had Tattoo in a sort of club scene and it became absolutely huge. So talking to people who are sort of involved in this, it's really interesting. I find the moment in the drama that it's played makes a massive difference to how big the song gets.

32:14Like the end of Grey's Anatomy, for example. That's the absolute, yeah, that's an absolute gold standard of this. Summer in I Turn Pretty, it was really in a scene, I don't know if you've seen the show, if you haven't seen the show, it doesn't matter, but it was in a scene, a sort of break-up-y type of yearning, that word, we're going to come back to yearning, it feels like we've been talking about yearning for two years, but it's just the kind of big zeitgeist word of the time. In Love Story, it was the morning after Carolyn Bessette and John F. Kennedy Jr. first woke up after having slept together.

32:45So it was the next day. Tearjerkers really help. If you can get your artist's song on a two-minute emotional scene, this is why the kind of big sync moments used to be things like the John Lewis ad or the X Factor finale or something like the Big Brother finale used to be this kind of, so you might have a band like, I don't know, like Elba or something who might be sort of naturally indisposed, shall we say, to having their music on Big Brother or whatever. But it's like, sorry, you're getting a two minute montage of all the best things in the, you know, the highs and the lows. It can move it to number one the next day.

33:25And I was thinking about this and thinking, oh my God, there's certain songs I can't hear without being completely taken back. to the sync moment. And actually, for football fans of a certain age, if you want to listen to Cast, Walk Away. Walk Away, that's what I was about to say. We're so old. We're so old, okay, fine. So they played that when England got knocked out. The BBC did a montage at the end of England's run in Euro 96 when they go out in the semis. And I am still completely back there when I hear that song. And actually, I literally, this morning on the tube on the way here, watched it.

33:59You can see it on YouTube. we'll put it in the show notes and if you saw me genuinely shed a tear because it's so evocative and actually what I'd forgotten is that Des Lynham says you better remember where you were where you were watching this tonight because in 30 years time someone will probably ask you it's 30 years to the day now that sync moment of cast walk away is I cannot hear that song without just I agree 100 % you know Terry Venables put his head in his hand it's so evocative so that's good because I thought well I don't know what you're going to say but then I'm going to I'm going to follow up by talking about walk away by cast.

34:33Also, we have so many montages now, and ever since everything's gone digital, it's incredibly, I don't want to say it's incredibly easy to make a good run because it's always hard to make something great. But it was so skilled to make those montages, particularly at the end of tournaments, or in the case of this, at the end of, you know, the national side's run in a tournament. And to make them and to make them affecting is a huge skill. And people really look forward, I mean, not to that one, but in general, you look forward to them because they were, you know, let's talk about one we can all enjoy.

35:02The one at the end of Wimbledon. But also, anyone listening to this who's not from England would laugh their heads off at that, by the way. So for anyone from England, you can watch that and you'll be crying. Anyone else, have a little look. You'll be crying with laughter. Oh my God, you will love it. Anyway, but what's happened is that because the whole business of soundtracks in general has completely changed. In the old days, soundtracks would sell millions of copies. You got a great soundtrack. People would go and buy all this. now you see the film or watch the episode and you're like oh my god and you can stream it on your way out of the cinema or the second the credits roll so it's difficult for record labels who are thinking how in this era where there's more content than anything and these songs can blow up from whatever well like Saturday Night Fever the soundtrack is one of the biggest selling vinyl albums in history so if you're that record company you know BGs and Yvonne Elliman all sorts of people on that there's hundreds of millions of pounds to be made from that soundtrack of that movie.

35:59And that industry, as you say, has disappeared and needs to be replaced with something. And you've got to be very correct. I mean, in the new Devil Wears Prada, when it becomes a sort of plot point, it's amazing. There's a Lady Gaga and Dochi sort of collaboration, but it's part of the story. Well, not the sort of Dochi collaboration, but the Gaga bit is actually, she's in it. But it's really interesting. So the record labels are trying to be sort of more creative and they're sort of creating soundtracks and music concepts themselves and then using that as a trigger or a centerpiece around which to develop a script.

36:35So it's kind of totally flipped because you might as well use the money to kind of develop things that way. Going back to Linger, I think that nonetheless, there has to be something about the song itself that speaks to the new times. Yeah, there really does. And there is something very dreamy and wistful about the song and it's emotionally raw and it's complicated and again those words, longing, yearning, that we keep, I mean they have been words of the last two years. But there is, and I think we have talked a little bit about this before, that there is, you know, Gen Z and Gen A think there's an innocence to the 90s and whether or not you felt that when you were living through it, they feel there is an innocence to it.

37:15There wasn't when we got knocked out of the Euros, I'll tell you that. There was a loss of all, it was the end of everything. It was the moment of four. yeah um anyhow um it's interesting breakup songs and what's happened to breakup songs to some degree breakup songs these days um we know that we're now living in an era of very very much dominated by female artists they're they're quite angry breakup songs nowadays they often involve another famous person or a person who the audience is able to sort of pass all the lines and think it's about they're very there's something very different yeah and there is an innocence that they feel that speaks to people in something like Linger and these songs where people go back to them.

37:56And that's why they're kind of, it's another reason why people think that there's something pure about a time that we don't live in now. Yes, I think there's also an ambiguity to the lyrics. If you literally just cherry pick the very small amount of that chorus, it doesn't have to be a breakup song. It can be a love song. And if you've got a song that could be a breakup song and a love song, then everyone can use it in any situation. People do. there is something which is never spoken about when we talk about why does something go viral or why is something so massive uh you know why does a book suddenly take off what does a film suddenly take off and sometimes things are just better than other things but we never talk about that we never talk about the fact that lingo i remember first coming out linger and just right off the blocks it was it was an enormous hit everywhere in the world my brother's band suede were doing a US tour.

38:45They tried to crack America a few times, like a lot of the Britpop bands, and none of them managed it. But Suede went over and were doing this massive tour, and they took the Cranberries as support. And halfway through the tour, Linga went enormo-massive, and they had to swap round. No! Yeah, yeah, yeah. On the billing? Yeah, I mean, can you imagine? But the song hit immediately. Let's say, Dolores, who's no longer with us, of course, wrote it when she was 17. that band, you know, there's a reason why they've got three songs that have got over a billion streams on Spotify, right? They write unbelievably brilliant songs that have no barriers to you enjoying them, you know, and so, sometimes it's just good.

39:27People, you know, we're talking to Paul McCartney this week for our Q &A thing, and by the way, thank you to everyone for their amazing questions for that, but again, there's a reason the Beatles got big. They just wrote better songs than other people. I mean, it's, But something that is interesting when you talk to people about this is that they say, who are very heavily involved in this, is that all of this stuff, this kind of exhuming and revival and kind of making very current again a song that's over 30 years old, it's all song-led and not artist-led. So actually, they like the song. They're not particularly interested in who the artist was, which to me is sad because, I mean, and Dolores Everett was an amazing person and it's very sad.

40:11it was a terribly sad ending and she died at 46 not that long ago a few years you know probably seven or eight years ago and again even with something like Stranger Things they didn't suddenly become completely fascinated by Kate Bush which by the way I mean of all the people to be fascinated by she's a very fascinating person she probably loved it that they didn't she's quite happy to just you know to not have everybody kind of up in her business but sometimes you seize it and as you say you know, like, Sophie Ellis-Bexter's Murder on the Dancehall, which, again, that is a sync moment of extraordinary, like, it's all a pump, but look what happened.

40:48It was enormous in Saltburn. And off the back of that, she is touring the US for the first time. Everything can sort of change from these moments. It's extraordinary that you can just, it can bubble back up again. But again, you look at a song, I always think the most fascinating song of all, well, a sort of fascinating song is Mr. Brightside, because it's been in the UK top 100 for over five years now. but Iris by Goo Goo Dolls I think is even more fascinating I mean that's an absolute key one of these which is I mean that's you know been in the apart from Christmases that's been in the UK charts for the last 80 weeks in a row you would recognise it if you hear it it doesn't have the word the name Iris in it at any point and so it's almost impossible to sort of recall it in your head what it is but it's one of those ones that was a staple of X Factor and you know Pop Idol and all the American shows as well and yeah just one of those songs that is now going to be around forever.

41:40And that's the thing. I think we've spoken very briefly before about the canon of classical music and how that's slightly set in stone. I know things change, but, you know, your Beethoven's, your Brahms, all of that lot. And that's what is going to have into popular music. And now these songs are sort of jockeying for position and it's not going to be, albums are not going to be the canon. It's going to be, songs will be the canon. Three-minute songs will be the canon. And running up that hill will now forever be in that canon because it's poked its nose above. So will Murder on the Dance Floor.

42:14So will Linger now, I think. So will Iris by the Goo Goo Dolls. Those songs will be around for 100 years, you know, 200 years, in the same way that Mozart is. And I'm not conflating the musicianship or anything like that. I'm just talking about, you know, the art form that we have had. We now have enough of it. We can just fold back and fold back and absolutely just choose whichever our favorite bits are. and because so much music production now kind of does hark back to previous eras, you know, that idea that a song ages. Take On Me by Aha, which sounds, you know, you could absolutely release tomorrow.

42:48That's going to be around for 100 years. Mr. Blue Sky is going to be, you know, Bohemian Rhapsody is going to be. There's just, these songs are now absolutely taking their place. It's hard for newer music to break through, of course, but I think that's where we are. But people, it's really weird whether or not they remember or they have some weird subconscious inherited memory of the video, which to us was iconic, but which much younger people have obviously probably never seen it. But all, like so many walking videos on TikTok are to Bittersweet Symphony, which in itself is using Mick Jagger and Keith Richard sort of composition.

43:24But all of them that, yeah, there's something about like walking that people think, oh, I'll put that, this goes with this. Yeah, that's exactly right. And it'd be interesting to see if in that canon, because, you know, us growing up, the 50s and 60s, and lots of the Motown stuff and early rock and roll felt like part of the canon. And it's interesting to see, actually, if they end up being part of this, or whether that begins somewhere around the late 60s or something. We'll see. We shall see. But by and large, I think this new generation are choosing the right songs. Oh, yeah. I mean, these are all really terrific.

43:59Shall we talk a little bit about the new Bond, which actually seems like cogs are starting to whir and things are starting to happen? We get asked about this all the time. And because it is obviously like the rolling entertainment story, despite it can be an incredibly low information story, always at any point in British cultural life. Been a year since Amazon acquired the full rights to Bond for sort of a billion. They'd already bought MGM Studios. but Courtney Valenti, who runs film at Amazon, at CinemaCon, when they talked to the exhibitors about all the big things that are coming up, she did talk about some of the big things that are coming up, but she said, you know, she knows everyone's waiting to announce who's going to play Bond, but they are taking time to do it properly.

44:42So I will say they are doing it properly because it's going to be produced by David Heyman and Amy Pascal, who are, he's David Heyman's British, did all the Harry Potter, Amy Pascal's legendary US producer. We know it's going to be directed by Denis Villeneuve. so that's cool yes that's good it's going to be written by Stephen Knight I mean that's really cool who was Peaky Blinders and all sorts of things you always do get help to varying degrees when you're doing a Bond film from the writers Neil Purvis and Robert Wade who are exhaustive franchise experts I think they've co-written The Last Seven again they always do a bit of you know like Phoebe Waller-Bridge is writing the new Bond yeah no yeah someone might do script actors all the whatever so they are in my view making all the right moves but they do not have a lead actor yet and they obviously need a long-term casting choice because one thing we do know is that people still seem shocked now when you say well there won't be a film till 2028 because you're like well how how come there won't be i mean i suppose they could get it out for what christmas no they can't get it out for christmas next year i mean i don't think they could maybe they could i was talking to someone um my god this is a sidebar but a film i'm i'd say even more excited about the ghosts movie which which is which is that That is not taking forever.

45:56That's going to be out, I think, in time for Halloween. How exciting is that? That's incredibly exciting. This is a slightly different kettle of fish in general. I get you. It feels like we've been having this conversation for years. There are many people it's definitely been, all the way back to Idris Elba, Tom Hiddleston, it's definitely him for a bit, Harris Dickinson, Aaron Taylor-Johnson. Henry Golding. Yes, my goodness. Yeah, Regé-Jean Page for a bit after Bridgerton for definite. He'd still be great, by the way. I personally think he has a great sense of humour for it. I would be whatever.

46:31Callum Turner is, there's a lot of people who feel like... Callum Turner's the bookie's favourite, right? Callum Turner is currently the bookie's favourite. A lot of people feel like they're running sort of covert campaigns, like Taron Egerton, who very much like when you're running for Labour leader, you just say, literally the last thing I want to do is run for Labour leader. So he said many times, you know, he wouldn't want to be James. I think Taron Edgerton is like West Streeting. Yeah, yeah. He could play West Streeting. Really, any of them. So you look at things, there's all different ways you can bet on this.

47:00No bond chosen is higher than it's ever been. It's on about, I mean, when I last looked at it this morning. Like no bond ever? No, no, they haven't chosen it yet, which is true, by the way. I definitely don't think that they have made the final decision, but I'll come to who I think they're closing in. It was on 79 % this morning when I was coming in on Polymarket. How can you bet on no bonds? then I think the market just they time the markets and then they say we just close it if it hasn't come to a certain date in the next four months they haven't chosen a month so Callum Turner was on 10 % James Norton was on 3 % Jacob Lordy was on 3 % Aaron Taylor Johnson on 2 % and Cal She's got it all differently it's got Callum Turner on 60 % Jacob Lordy 18 % Josh O 'Connor 8 % if you're betting on Josh O 'Connor to be the next James Bond have a world with yourself I love him I absolutely love him but it's not going to be Josh O 'Connor and people whose names have come in Henry Ashton you know this guy he's in My Lady Jane Good Girl's Guide to Murder things like that he's had a sudden rush of money and there is actual real money if you look at how much has been placed on these markets because in the old days we used to think oh yeah these are novelty bets no one actually walks in or goes online and bets on the next James Bond I have to say so I mean you can just just the mere fact of me saying this means it won't happen but I have heard from a number of people now that they're sort of, you know, Jacob Elordi has kind of moved into pole position.

48:26I don't think, no one's signed anything yet. Which is interesting, because Callum Turner is way out ahead. But I've heard this, but as I say, just the mere fact of me saying it was, but anyway, here we go. Let's at least treat it, let's dignify it. Too tall for Bond. Well, that's interesting, because you were approached at a certain point by security services. I remember you thinking a six foot seven spy was maybe not the greatest disguise. He's a six foot five spy. So what would that be? I mean, and looks like Jacob Elordi. I mean, I'm the only one who could be a spy if they needed somebody to infiltrate the European Basketball Association.

49:05Or just get something off a really high shelf. I mean, listen, Stephen Knight, you know, your move. Just a movie about someone reaching something from a high shelf. So it's interesting. First of all, there's lots of things interesting about Jacob Elordi where he's doing it. First of all, you know, it's important. Women already want to sleep with him. Now, Daniel Craig was some of the best casting of all time. That was a Barbara Boccoli pick and it was a real, that was a real move because a lot of people were like, sorry, who? And yeah, no, I don't say it. The second they saw the film, like, no, yeah, you're right.

49:35I do want to sleep with him. So that, okay, people already want to sleep with Jacob Elordi. He is Gen Z A-list. He's one of a few people you would say is definitely an A-list. It's interesting that if they did do that, they've totally skipped millennials. There'll never have been a millennial Bond. Well, it's been a long time. I mean, yeah, it's been a long time. It has, but it's interesting that, you know, when they don't get... Yeah, where is our millennial Bond? Yeah, there was never a millennial Bond. But that, again, there's a franchise for you. If you're Amazon and you're trying to get as much, you know, out of Bond as you can, then let's do millennial Bond in a few years.

50:07Yeah, and they will, by the way, be doing all of this. As we all know, there's going to be so many other things. I do think they have to have this decision in place before we start seeing the rollout. They don't have to wait for the film to come out to have other things necessarily. Because he's 28, Jacob Elordi, so he could easily do a good 10 years, which is, that's what they really want, right? They want somebody who's going to own this for a generation. He is not British. No. But I think you can get away with it being Australian. I don't think you can have an American one, no matter how great the accent.

50:34No. Even when you get someone like Gwyneth Paltrow, her English accent is completely flawless. You couldn't have, you can't have the male equivalent of that. We've seen him in Saltburn, and his English accent is flawless, it's fine. Yeah, there was a point where, you know, all sorts of mad names have been put out there at certain times. Chris Hemsworth has pushed, again, Australian. Well, we've had an Australian bond before, though. Yes, we have. Lazenby, and we've had two non-British bonds, Lazenby and Brosnan. I just don't think you can have an American. Oh, no, but Australians are essentially British.

51:06They're not Australians, we know that, but you know what we mean by that. Yes. We have a commonality. Yeah, but someone like Chris Hemsworth, who would have been totally wrong for it, but he's also so completely associated with another mega franchise. Jacob Lordi's a bit of a clean skinner, I mean, on all of that stuff. So huge with the younger audience. That is what I've heard. I'm sure it won't, you know, it definitely hasn't been a done deal yet. But I think that perhaps that would be their, that might be their number one choice. But again, this is merely the opinion of people, not a million miles.

51:43Please don't take gambling advice from this program. No, definitely don't. Because it could very well be Cam Turner and I think he's fantastic. I love him. See, I think there's another name in the frame. And so I think they are going to wait till November. I think they're going to see how Celeb Traitors plays out. And then I think it's Ross Kemp. What can't he do? As Bond. It's one of the very few professions he hasn't effectively already nailed. I would watch Kemper's Bond. Yeah. Well, maybe in one of the spinoffs. He's not a millennial. Anyway, so we'll see where that goes. And it could very well be Callum Turner, which would also be brilliant.

52:22And then equally, it may be one of these other ones, because at the last minute, somebody comes through. But I do think that they're getting quite close to that decision now. Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah, it is. It's fun. Any recommendations this week? Yes, I do, actually. I really enjoyed Jack Loudon in a short film, which is about 15 minutes, called Vote Gavin Lyle. And you can see it on YouTube. It's directed by Neil Carrier. And he plays a politician. It's a satire. He plays a politician standing for, effectively, reform. And I just feel like he, Jack Loudon, really, having spent quite a lot of time around lots of those type of candidates.

53:06I think he just somehow captures the brittleness and the fake self-deprecation and the sort of slightly disappointed venom of those particular characters. It's the most true to life that I've seen. And we're going to see lots more people standing for parliament that are not necessarily in the traditional mould of the policy, now we live in a five-party system. So anyway, it's the most successful distillation of that particular vibe I've seen so far. he's very very good in it remind me of the name again it's called Vote Gavin Lyle you can watch it on YouTube it's like 15 minutes I would love Jack Loudon as Bond by the way yeah I know I think he's magnificent I absolutely love him yeah well two recommendations really that have a connection and the other Bennett sister on the BBC which is fantastic it's a half hour drama yeah half hour drama my mum's an enormous fan all of that and she said you know what I loved it so great it's written by Janice Hadley who really used to be used to run BBC2 never commissioned anything from me but she's done a she's done a great job here to be fair to her so she came good in the end it's really really great it's really good yeah I remember talking it's Bad Wolf right I remember talking to them when they were you know they were saying oh we're going to do something a bit different it's going to be like a half hour drama and I remember thinking huh I'd like to I mean it's funny as well yes it's really funny it's incredibly affecting it's got an amazing central performance from Ella Bricoleri from Call the Midwife I mean a really amazing performance I'm absolutely loving her I see myself in her And you've got Richard E.

54:34Grant is in it. Ruth Jones is in it. It's got the cast you would want as well. So really, really enjoying that. But I'm also watching from the start of the century, The Way We Live Now, which is the adaptation of the Trollope novel, which I just finished reading, and that's how I was saving it. And it's fantastic. David Suchet is in it. Matthew McFadgen is in it. But it also has the first ever television appearance of Cillian Murphy, who looks so young. is doing an English accent brilliantly. And you take one look at the guy and think, every casting director in the world must have gone okay. Oh, it's mesmerizing, the eyes.

55:11I remember it so well. Absolutely amazing. Written by Andrew Davis. Really, really good. And then I noticed that both of them are exec produced by Jane Tranter, 25 years apart. So that's, I loved both of them. So The Other Bennett Sister and The Way We Live Now. The Way We Live Now is on Amazon. The Other Bennett Sister is on iPlayer. Right, we will be back on Thursday with a Q &A. And for our members, for a bonus episode, we will be talking about the Michael Jackson Pepsi advert incident. This is when his hair caught fire. And we'll be discussing it as a cultural moment. Anyway, if you want to join for ad-free listening, it's therestisentertainment.com.

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