154. Epstein Files: Is Trump Really Cleared?

19:09Anthony Scaramucci:It is not something that they wanted to do. But guess what? In this big dump of documents over the course of the weekend, the victims were not protected. I mean, to your point about there is a system for the elites and there is a system for the victims, once again, the victims have been the last people on the food chain and they've been forgotten because there are names and faces of survivors who are out there. There's a driving license of one victim. Her name is Anushka DiGiorgio. She has said that she can use her name now because her name and her face are there on her driving license. Somebody took the time to redact her address, but they left her name and her face out there.

19:47Anthony Scaramucci:And so she's now out there in public. Todd Blanche, the deputy attorney general, had said specifically this wouldn't happen. So, I mean, I think it gets to your point, Anthony. There is one world for the rich and powerful, and there is another world and another set of rules for the people that have no wealth and no power. And in this case, those are the surviving victims of Jeffrey Epstein, and they have been forgotten once again in this process.

20:11Katty Kay:So, Katty, when you say that the wishes of the victims goes unrequited by the actions of our government. I just have to tell you how much that pains me and how much sympathy I would like to express to them and on their behalf. It's just a very upsetting thing. And my heart does go out to these people. If you want to add that to ICE and you want to add that to literally the worst poll numbers, the president has a 61%, as you and I are speaking, is a 61 % negative approval rating right now. And when people ask why, they say ICE. And now you have this underlying context. The House subcommittee voted over the weekend to try to hold back even more information or continue to slow roll the Epstein file.

21:06Katty Kay:And so these people are sitting around scratching their heads saying, okay, you really made us move a mountain here. You told us you were not four sexual predators you told us there were no more forever wars you told us you were going after the criminals you were going after the worker bees you're going to go after the criminals in the immigration saga and they're pushing and listen you know i know we're going to get to the texas you're in texas we're going to talk a little bit about what happened in texas and frankly that could have been a one-off but i really think that the heat is on the republicans right now and again just to state for people the idiocy of this keir stormer has announced that he's going to take greenland for his majesty's government okay and look at the look at the look on your

21:57Anthony Scaramucci:yeah i know you have to but this is the crazy world we live in where you have to put it in

22:02Katty Kay:that context a brit could be listening right now right exactly and say what are you talking about Well, no, no. Keir Starmer -

22:09Anthony Scaramucci:Or even Barack Obama says that Canada is going to be the 51st state.

22:12Katty Kay:So it's beyond the pale. And so when I pick up the phone, because these people do talk to me, I don't even know why they're talking to me. But when I pick up the phone and I talk to a Republican congressional leader, which I did this morning, and I say, this doesn't bother you? Oh, the Greenland thing is over. It's been resolved favorably. And what about the traffic coming over the border from Canada, where you want to talk about where a boycott has already started on American goods and American tourism? That would be the Canadian citizens. I'm scratching my nose for all of you guys listening.

22:52Katty Kay:I'm scratching my nose on YouTube. That's what Canada is doing to us, Katty Kat. And that is hurting a lot of small businesses. That would be the bordering states with Canada, New York, and Michigan, Minnesota, etc. But it's also hurting in Florida. Okay. So again, Mr. Congressman, what's up? The equivocation and the ground shifting of the norms is bizarre.

23:24Anthony Scaramucci:Not to mention, by the way, everyone should read the Wall Street Journal article about the UAE sheikh who invested a huge amount of money in the Trump family crypto business on the eve of the inauguration.

23:37Katty Kay:so caddy we're going to get to that too but i just want you to hear the ground shifting equivocation right oh he doesn't really mean that with canada and you know i talked to him about putin and and he says well i've got to be nice to putin so i can get him to the table but then why not be nice to prime minister corney don't you want to get them to the table and do business with them too okay Now, this is where I'm going to get in trouble, and Goldhanger will probably edit me out, but I don't care, Caddy, because it is my opinion. I'm going to share it with you. It's pretty clear from the documents that Epstein had a relationship with the Russians.

24:20Katty Kay:It's pretty clear. I'm not going to go so far to say that he was an agent of Russia and he was running a pedophile ring to create compromise on all of the world's Western elites. I'm not going to go that far to say that.

24:35Anthony Scaramucci:But you are just going to say.

24:37Katty Kay:But I'm right on the edge, okay?

24:39Anthony Scaramucci:Okay, so what is it in the file so far that suggests to you a strong link between Jeffrey Epstein and Moscow?

24:46Katty Kay:So, Cady, Vladimir Putin is mentioned no less than a thousand times, and there's insinuations in the file that Epstein had scheduled meetings with Putin and he had a relationship with Lavrov, the foreign minister. Now, I'm going to state candidly and for the record, there's no proof that Epstein ever met Putin, but the files do show something very troubling. Epstein claimed he had an appointment with Putin. It's right there in the emails. And then he later tried to position himself as a back channel to the Kremlin. Again, right there in the emails. And he was trying to offer insight on US leadership through Lavrov.

25:29Katty Kay:Okay. I mean, these are right in the email. So it tells you that he wanted proximity to Russian power so that he could sell access. And it raises serious counterintelligence questions. So again, these are my opinions. This is my surmise having delved into these documents over the weekend. This is an editorial opinion by me that I'm sharing. But again, you've heard me say this on this podcast, when the windows open and you hear clippity-clop, it is a horse. It is not a zebra. So these are my opinions, and I can show you directly in the files where there's a tie. But again, I love Vladimir Putin.

26:13Katty Kay:Vladimir Putin is my guy. I have a picture of Vladimir Putin and me in my house and my residence above the picture of my family members. And again, if you haven't caught on, I'm channeling Donald Trump because this is how he talks about the guy. And no president, Caddy, puts their name on the Lincoln, Jefferson, or Kennedy memorial. No president threatens to attack Canada or another allied country. No president fawns over the Russian leader who they know has been a dishonest, unsavory adversary of ours for a generation. No president does that, but this president does that, Ken. Okay, so these are my opinions that I'm sharing with you guys.

26:59Katty Kay:We can go to a break now, but listen to me. This has got to hurt somewhere in the system. Maybe it's going to hurt in the house races. Maybe it's going to hurt in a boycott. But the American people are giving this man a 61 % negative approval rating because of the facts, Gaddy. Not just my opinions, the facts.

27:25Anthony Scaramucci:Okay, we'll take a break and we'll be right back.

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29:47Anthony Scaramucci:Welcome back. We said we want to pop down to Texas at Jamming, San Antonio, Texas. Lovely San Antonio, Texas, to speak to Trinity University down here, which a great group of people. But it's timely because Democrats have scored an unlikely victory. there was a special election for a Texas state Senate seat. Remember, every state has its own Senate and its own House of Representatives. And there was a special election for one of the Senate seats down here. And a Democrat, Taylor Remitt, won the seat by a large margin. The district had voted 17 points for Donald Trump in the 2024 election, but Remitt just won it by 14 points this weekend.

30:32Anthony Scaramucci:That represents a 30-point shift for those of you doing the maths on this. And I think you've got a lot of Democrats, Anthony, looking at what happened, not, I hope, telling themselves that Texas is about to go blue, which is the big white whale of all Democrats. But they're looking at this saying this is part of a pattern that we had. We reported on it a lot last year. We had those two big gubernatorial elections in New Jersey and Virginia, which swung to the Democrats in much bigger numbers than people had predicted. I had done some research that showed that you've had this huge swing. There have been, I think, in 2025, I think I mentioned this before, there were roughly five dozen special elections for seats in Congress and in state houses and Republicans candidates underperformed Donald Trump by an average of about 13 points.

31:23Anthony Scaramucci:So, across the country, you're seeing people, voters, go to the polls as they did in Texas this weekend to protest against two things. One is the cost of living, this affordability issue, which the president still hasn't done much about, and maybe presidents can't do that much about it. We'll see if the new Fed chair-designate can do much about it. But the other thing that they're protesting against is the immigration policies and everything that we've seen with ICE. It turns out that you were right that Americans don't like these mass deportations when they start going for a grandmother or a five-year-old child or they start killing American citizens as they have done up in Minneapolis over the last few weeks.

32:07Anthony Scaramucci:Then Americans don't like it. And I think that is a big part of what we're seeing. And the two groups that Republicans are losing in these local elections are the two groups that powered Donald Trump to power. They were young voters and Hispanic voters. Donald Trump built up this quite unusual coalition in 2024 that pushed him into the White House again. And it was young voters, young men in particular, and it was Hispanic voters. And his numbers have just fallen off the cliff with both of those two groups of voters. And I think that's what Democrats are looking at. I don't think Democrats are telling themselves they're going to win Texas.

32:40Anthony Scaramucci:But if you want to set this up as a stage ahead of the midterm elections, which are now whatever they are, 10 months away, nine months away, This is part of the reason that Democrats are feeling good. Donald Trump's reaction to this, I wasn't on the ballot, it's not about me, never heard of this, even though he had endorsed Taylor Remitz, Republican opponent in the race. Do you think that Democrats are right to look at this and say, this is good news for us? This is a good sign?

33:07Katty Kay:You know, on the margin, I do. But I have a bigger question, okay? You know, and again, demographically, the Latino voters and some of these suburban electorate that voted for Trump in 24, they look like, hey, man, we had enough of this guy. But a bigger question for you. And that's about the electoral process and the integrity of the process. Democrats tell me, don't worry about that. Trump is not going to meddle in the midterm elections. It's too decentralized for him to meddle.

33:39Anthony Scaramucci:Do you believe that, Katty? I mean, I think those are great questions. And we've already seen some meddling because we've seen Texas and California make moves to redistrict their districts in ways that would politically advantage themselves, either Republicans in Texas or Democrats in California. That is a form of election engineering, if you like. That is a way you set the playing field. and the Republicans are trying to set the playing field so that they have more seats going into the midterm elections. I think the issue that has been raised in the last week or two by Donald Trump, and I don't know whether it is just because Donald, this is something he cannot let go, or whether it's something he brings up like a cultural weapon when he's doing badly because of all the scenes from Minneapolis, or there's a great deal of pushback and he's had to row back on Greenland, or he says that allied NATO forces didn't fight very well in the wars in Afghanistan, and he has to row back from that.

34:42Anthony Scaramucci:And so, guess what he brings up again? He starts bringing up the 2020 election. And if you had to kind of map the number of times he's mentioned the 2020 election during the course of the past year, I reckon AI could probably do it for us. You'd see a massive uptick in the last two or three weeks. He's gone back to his old playbook. The election was rigged. Now, there's no new evidence, and we can get into what was happening down in Fulton County, Georgia, where they've demanded the election rolls. There's no new evidence, as far as I can see, that's come out that suggests that there was something quantifiably different about the 2020 election that has not already been litigated.

35:17Anthony Scaramucci:So why is he bringing it up now? Why is he going back to that playbook? I think you're right. Maybe he's going back to the playbook to create a false narrative around election security more broadly that is designed to destabilize the upcoming midterm elections. So this is not actually about the 2020 election. This is a narrative that is taking place about the 2026 election. Is that what you're thinking?

35:43Katty Kay:Yes. And in Catherine Belton's book, Putin's People, which was written about five years ago, the legendary journalist Catherine Catherine Belton said that what would the Russians ideally want in the West, particularly in the longest standing democracy, the United States, what would they want? They would want someone of credibility to sow the seeds of distrust in the electoral process. Are the statements by the 45th and 47th president of the United States doing that, Kat?

36:21Anthony Scaramucci:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you've got the double whammy of we know the fact that in 2016, the Russians were meddling in the US election process. But now it's not the Russians that are raising issues about electoral security. It's Donald Trump that keeps raising issues about election security. So what happened just to fill people in, this week, the FBI executed a search warrant at the Fulton County Election Office in Georgia. Fulton County was at the heart of all of the disputes about the 2020 election. Georgia, you'll remember, all of you, was a state that Donald Trump lost, but pretty narrowly, it was by about 10 ,000 votes.

36:58Anthony Scaramucci:He went to the Secretary of State and said, find me more votes. The Secretary of State said, no, that's not how it works. Fulton County was the county that a lot of the dispute was focused on. So last week, the FBI goes down to Fulton County and they have a search warrant and they want to search the Fulton County offices, and they want to take away things like the electoral rolls, more information about the 2020 election. This has been hauled over so many times. They've gone through it. They've litigated it so many times. And one of the things that was really weird about the raid was that Tulsi Gabbard, who is the director of national intelligence, was present at the raid.

37:39Anthony Scaramucci:The reporting from the Wall Street Journal is that she called Donald Trump from the office, from the faulty countenance election offices and kind of put him on speakerphone. But Tulsi Gabbard's role, a bit like the CIA, is to deal with foreign international threats. So a lot of questions. What's she doing there? Is it constitutional that she's there? Has she got new information of some international player meddling in the 2020 election? What's the new information that would justify a new search warrant when this has been gone over so many times already and nothing nefarious has been found? Or is Tulsi Gabbard just trying to save her own job?

38:17Anthony Scaramucci:And so she's trying to get in with Donald Trump and she knows that the way you get in with Donald Trump is you say, Mr. President, the 2020 election was stolen. I'm going to go down there. I've got new information. But the fallout is that people will not trust the election system as much as they did. So, Katty, Tulsi Gabbard, the Wall Street Journal, let's give them kudos

38:39Katty Kay:because they have a mole inside the White House. There's no question. And they have a mole that's an adjutant to the president.

38:47Anthony Scaramucci:In journalism, we call it a source, by the way. We don't call it a mole. This is not a John McCary novel.

38:51Katty Kay:Let me rephrase this. This is not the rest is classified. We have a source.

38:55Anthony Scaramucci:I know that you secretly want to be the host of the rest is classified. We have a source. So we can call it a mole just to make you happy.

39:01Katty Kay:Only for the Kennedy assassination, okay? McCloskey, if you're listening. Okay. But we have a source inside the administration that does not like the administration. And they're dropping dimes to the Wall Street Journal. And the Wall Street Journal is doing some exceptional reporting. We have to give them kudos. I agree. They reported on the$500 million. You tell me what it is, we'll call it a business transaction. But you're having a business transaction with the president. And then you're getting AI chips that were classified. I don't know. we'll just leave that there we'll leave it there we'll leave that hanging yes we're going to leave that hanging chat out there now we have at 5 a.m this morning the wall street journal is reporting that a whistleblower complaint was filed against tulsi galbert amazing yeah and that is so secretive they've got it locked in a cupboard yes so something is going on something's up and tulsi

39:58Anthony Scaramucci:needs to save her job and if you need to save your job in the trump administration you either go after people on the streets of minneapolis or you say the election was stolen so the inspector trying

40:10Katty Kay:to put pressure on the inspector general now to say that this confidential whistleblowing complaint isn't justifiable see what's going on but you see caddy this is the good news for america and this is the good news for people listening who say wow america has really lost its way yes that is true but there are still very very good people in america and there's still a system in place in america where there are unwilling participants in this faux fascist charade notice i said faux in front of fascists you can't be overly mad at me and they're rising up and And they're speaking out.

40:53Anthony Scaramucci:Just a bit mad, like just a little bit mad. Yeah.

40:56Katty Kay:Not like overly mad. Okay. So go ahead. Provide us your erudite analysis of Ms. Gabbard and her role in all this.

41:06Anthony Scaramucci:I think Ms. Gabbard is down there to save her job. I honestly think that's what she's doing. I think she was squeezed out of all of the Venezuela raid stuff. She is not respected in the Trump administration. She's been put on the outs and she's thought to herself, what can I do? I'll go down to Georgia and I'll find some way to make a show of being down there and I'll call the president when I'm down there and tell him that I'm in the Fulton County, Georgia election offices and that we've got new information and we're digging everything up and we're going to prove, Mr. President, that you should have been the 46th president.

41:42Anthony Scaramucci:You should have been reelected in 2020 and that the election was stolen. I honestly can't see otherwise why the head of DNI would be down there. Unless, you know, my God, there is some unbelievable kind of foreign intervention evidence that we haven't come across. But the way that that I have never known an election that has been litigated and relitigated and relitigated, whatever it was, 60 different lawsuits brought by the Trump team, and all of them dismissed. I mean, this was looked at by so many judges that if there was some massive fraud or some massive foreign intervention, I can't believe we wouldn't have found it.

42:17Anthony Scaramucci:So I think she was down there to save her job. And I think the president is going back to the 2020 election stuff because he's, as we've been saying on the show, he's feeling the heat. He's feeling that heat across a whole range of things. He's pulled back from Greenland. He's pulled back from what he said about allies, NATO troops. He's had to pull back on Minneapolis. Let's see what happens there. But he's had to pull back his people from Minneapolis. It's been climbed down central from the White house and i think when he's under pressure he goes back to 2020 okay we have to be fine i know

42:51Katty Kay:we have to go caddy but we have to do a little bit of role playing with me if you do not mind okay and i'm a reporter now okay so okay and you're the fbi agent and you have now she took out her cell phone not a classified phone but her cell phone and she called the president and the president got on the phone with tulsi gabbard to praise the fbi agents and now you're the fbi agent and i'm interviewing you and i say to you well

43:22Anthony Scaramucci:what did you think about that and you say what well we have gone over this i would like to see the new evidence i mean i if you're a good fbi agent you know that this has been litigated up the wazoo. If you're a Trump friendly FBI agent, you might be very flattered that she goes down there and he speaks to you while you're on the phone. And then you go out there and say, well, maybe there is new things. Maybe President Trump is still interested. We should still keep digging because maybe it was an unfair election. And that's the trouble where that's why it becomes insidious is that even though there is no evidence that the 2020 election was anything other than free and fair all of this just creates doubt which is guess what exact who is it who is the number one person that wants americans to have doubt about the electoral system

44:13Katty Kay:your friend vladimir putin i'm gonna leave it there right because i'm gonna get myself in trouble because i'm gonna say some stuff and you guys just say you can't say that so i'm not gonna say it but i'm gonna talk directly i'm breaking the fourth wall yeah and i'm gonna talk directly to the viewers and listeners the obvious is the obvious, Katika, and I'll leave it there.

44:38Anthony Scaramucci:Cryptic words from Mr. Scaramucci. Okay, that's it for today. This, of course, is, however, a super busy time, you'll have noticed in American politics. And we don't have time to cover everything on this episode. We have not really talked about Minneapolis, which we would love to because there is more going on up there that we should be talking about. We've only alluded to some of the graph that is taking place. But luckily for our members, we will be back on Wednesday to discuss more of the big stories this week. We're going to have an update on ICE, look at the Democrats' chances for the midterms beyond that Texas race we were just talking about, and how are other countries buying their way onto Donald Trump's Board of Peace.

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