225. Has Donald Trump Become a Communist?

14:44Anthony Scaramucci:We did a whole episode last week on the polls, and there are more polls that have come out since we did that episode, looking at how strong the likelihood is of a blue wave on election night. You're right. It's clearly not working because all around the country you have now in Florida and in Kentucky, you have members of Congress, Republican members of Congress, hard MAGA, who have been taking references to Donald Trump off their websites. You've got other Senate candidates distancing themselves from the president. My question to you is, as it works less well, as we get to a midterms, and let's say the Democrats do have a good night in the midterms.

15:22Anthony Scaramucci:Polls may be wrong, could go the other way, folks, but at the moment it's looking that way. Do these authoritarian control tendencies of Donald Trump get worse? I was told by a senator last week that he had meetings up in New York with all the people that came in for the bilats, the Canadians, the Mexicans, the polls they were meeting with, and all of those people were asking them, are you going to have a good night in the midterms? And if you have a good night in the midterms, will you contain Donald Trump? That's the question on America's allies' minds. Well, what was the answer? The answer is, no, they can't do very much.

16:02Anthony Scaramucci:They can investigate. But do you think, because I think a lot of people are thinking, right, we get to the midterms, that's it, guys, we're done. Then he sort of fades into the background. I actually think we're in a position where it could be the opposite, where his tendencies, this tendency of whatever it is that's motivating this ad, this kind of, I'm going to do it because I can do it. I'm going to break things. I'm going to disregard the spirit of the law. I'm going to have more control. I'm going to be more authoritarian. I think all of that just gets exacerbated after the midterms. And I think we could have more.

16:36Anthony Scaramucci:The other thing that I think he's been doing that we should talk about, that perhaps people haven't focused on as much, that is really alarming conservatives, is this equity stake, the government equity stake in, I think it's now 15 deals, where he's done an equity stake worth about 20 billion in American companies. I mean, talk about seizing the means of production. I think all of that just gets more, doesn't it? If he can't control the politics, he'll want to control what he can, including the US economy if he can.

17:04Katty Kay:So listen, I think it's going to get way worse. I've tried to tell people that and just to prepare them for that because, you know, and by the way, just a regular president, what do they end up doing in the last half? Okay. They end up doing executive orders. They end up bypassing the Congress. They'll use emergency powers. They will put out some pardons. They'll do foreign policy junk. It's just the garden variety president does all those things. So Trump's going to do all those things and more. And here's the thing I need to tell people. If you like Donald Trump, I'll give you good news and if you don't like Donald Trump I'll give you a bad news 37.1 % caddy that's the calculation and what is that calculation that is the amount of time that Trump has been in his office meaning when are we done with this thing we have 63 more percent to go oh my god you just can I just say you just made me so tired yeah I just like I felt I'm here I just saw the smirk

18:04Anthony Scaramucci:I woke up there for Monday and I just went, oh.

18:06Katty Kay:I just saw that you got 63 % to go. We're just barely one third of the way through guguets. Okay. So to me, I'm looking at this thing saying he is going to ratchet things up right after the midterms. And he's going to go for the jugular on wrecking as many things as possible. And listen, we didn't talk about this, but I have to talk about this. Okay. And he's in the portico that you walk, a very famous portico. I know where you're going. Where you're walking from the West Wing back into the residence. You've seen John Kennedy there and Ronald Reagan and George Robert Walker Bush. And he's wrecked the portico with his presidential hall or wall of fame, as he calls it.

18:54Katty Kay:You don't like the Thai restaurant look? Yeah, exactly. And he's got, yeah, it's a Thai restaurant or it's like a Palm Springs pawn shop look. And there he is. and he's showing President Xi the Joe Biden auto pen. And that's the first time I have seen President Xi, first time I see him laughing at something. But is he laughing with Trump or is he laughing at Trump, Katty Kidd?

19:17Anthony Scaramucci:Or is he laughing at America? It might not even be Trump. It could be, here is this country that has allowed itself to have a leader who will denigrate an American leader in order to flatter a communist Chinese leader?

19:33Katty Kay:It's so non-serious. And yet the Thune and Johnson, they could pick up the phone and they could say, hello, jackass, you got to stop embarrassing the country. Here are 10 things that you need to do right now or we're going to seek your removal. We're going to call Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and we're going to start the process of your removal. You are embarrassing the country. Okay. And by the way, when your approval ratings go to 22 % down from 32%, let me use a Trump phrase to Thune and Johnson. What do you have to lose, guys? This guy is wrecking your party. He's embarrassing the nation. Okay.

20:21Katty Kay:He has slowed down the economy. I just gave you the economic data. The economy that was growing robustly under Joe Biden and experienced a 50 % growth over the last decade relative to Europe, he's wrecking. And he's sitting there laughing and deriding Biden, okay, in front of the communist leadership. And you guys are okay with that, I guess. But I don't think the general public is that okay with it. Do you think the general public is okay with that?

20:49Anthony Scaramucci:No, I don't think they are, which is why you have the approval ratings as they are. Okay, let's get back to the topic of this half of the program about whether Trump is communist Trump or capitalist Trump and run through some of the other things that are getting conservatives a little worried about the president's political leanings on this. U.S. Steel was a classic one, right? Explain to people what happened with U.S. Steel and how that didn't look like market forces at work.

21:16Katty Kay:He basically took what he said was a golden share of the company. He has veto authority over key corporate decisions and they're relocating the office from Pittsburgh and they're shifting production overseas or closing facilities. So the president stepped in. He's giving them some money and he's trying to keep all of this stuff in the United States. But the, you know, it's full on breach of free market forces. and that is state run like authoritarian measures on a private company. So I don't know. I mean, we've never done that before. Yes, we gave money to GM. Yes, we gave money to Chrysler. These were sort of loan guarantees that the government expected to get paid back.

22:04Katty Kay:Even the TARP money, the trillion dollars that we gave the banks, Caddy, got paid back. But this is like just broad state run like authority and activity.

22:14Anthony Scaramucci:Yeah, I spoke to a Republican strategist last night over this who said, you know, the trouble is the message is just not conservatives. You're putting US Treasury money into the economy to pick winners and losers, basically. And the message to corporations is you come and bend the knee and Trump will help your company out with government money. And you can see that's the case with Intel. That's the case with US Steel, MP Materials, a rare earths company, also the same. But I think the other things that you could talk about in this same category that offer a$5 ,000 payment to every American citizen if Republicans win the midterm elections, I think that could sway people.

22:53Anthony Scaramucci:That does not feel like the kind of market, conservative market forces that you and I would understand by the term. In the same vein, you've got J.D. Vance offering, proposing a$9 ,000 payment to married couples with a stay-at-home parent.

23:12Katty Kay:Are you talking about the J.D. Vance who said this week that Trump has the highest IQ of any president and arguably could have the highest IQ of anyone that's ever lived? Is that the J.D. Vance you were talking about? I just want to make sure.

23:25Anthony Scaramucci:That is the same J.D. Vance who would also like to use government funds to control the way that people live and work. I've heard this from other people. J.D. is much more on the government control. And I think you've got a lot of conservatives quite worried about J.D. because of this, because this is the kind of interventionist stuff that certainly libertarians at the Cato Institute wouldn't be happy with.

23:50Katty Kay:When Barack Obama's government made the investment in Solyndra, the solar company, the conservatives went crazy. They said, you know, government shouldn't pick winners and losers. Remember that whole argument? Yes. Now we don't pick winners and losers. We own them. Okay. So guys, what are we doing?

24:08Anthony Scaramucci:So does this make it harder, my question to you, does this make it harder for Republicans to run on the message of, as Trump said, we are against Marxist communists and socialists? If you're trying to run on that message right now, while the president is doing this stuff, which some of which the buying up of equity deals, equity shares for government is getting applauded from one Bernie Sanders. Does that make it a little, does that complicate your message a bit?

24:37Katty Kay:See, I actually don't think it does, okay? Because you and I just did a C-SPAN call-in show to promote our tour in Washington and some of these other cities. And the messaging, it was a little sampling, but the messaging is convoluted. The information that voters are receiving is mixed and it's also very fragmented. So the president could come in over the top of the airwaves and say whatever the hell he wants. And that's one of the reasons why these state sponsored ads are part of that design. You can't underestimate Trump's marketing skills. He went to his team, approved those state sponsored ads because that's going to be the messaging.

25:22Katty Kay:So don't look at what I'm doing. Look at what I'm saying. And, Caddy, that works in this country. Whether people want to believe that or not or do you want to get upset about that, I'm telling you he's very effective at doing this. Now, I believe that things have gotten so bad that this is sort of like an Orban tsunami that's about to hit him as opposed to anything he can stop now because he's let this train leave the station with aggressive force.

25:51Anthony Scaramucci:Well, we'll find out in a few weeks time in those midterm elections. But I do think there is something about the state control factor of Donald Trump and his socialist leanings that is worth noting. We'll take a break and come back and talk about ICE.

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29:06Anthony Scaramucci:Welcome back. And before we get into ICE and the huge uptick on the number of arrests around the country and the confusing brand new guidelines that have gone out to ICE agents, just to remind you, Anthony and I will be on tour around the country next week, guys. It's coming up soon. We would love to see you. There are still a few tickets left. Boston, go and buy those tickets. We'd love to get you in the hall and answer your questions and find out what you think about the midterm elections, go to therestispoliticsus.com. We'll also be in Toronto, New York, DC. We would love to see you there. Okay, back to ICE.

29:43Anthony Scaramucci:There was a very intriguing story. I've wanted to do this story for a while, Antony, partly because I keep seeing stories about the uptick in the number of arrests over the course of the summer. But also there was a story that broke over the weekend, The Daily Wire broke this story that ICE, immigration and customs enforcement officers around the country were told over this weekend to stop arresting all non-criminals. Federal immigration agents, according to The Daily Wire, were told that they could arrest illegal immigrants with criminal convictions or charges, but not those who have final deportation orders or lack criminal convictions.

30:23Anthony Scaramucci:They should not be arrested. So this would be a big shift in the way that ICE agents do their job. And it would radically cut down the number of people who are being picked up because some of the people being picked up are just at bus stops for kids, school bus stops, they're putting out their trash. They're not people with criminal convictions. We know that. The White House saw this story, immediately pushed back on it. A Fox News reporter then said he had spoken to Donald Trump after the story broke and said that ICE officers did indeed get this verbal guidance and were shocked and frustrated by it, according to the Fox News reporter.

31:01Anthony Scaramucci:But it's not clear where the guidance came from. And the president said it's erroneous. The policy remains as it is. Everyone who's in the country illegally is on the table for ICE arrest. So what my takeaway as a reporter was from this is that the guidance went out. It was reported. The president saw that, didn't like it because it makes him look weak if he's never likes to be seen to row back on immigration stuff. And now you've got a huge amount of confusion amongst ICE officers. Are they meant to still be arresting people who are just in the country and have overstayed their visas but have no criminal record?

31:42Anthony Scaramucci:Or are they only meant to be going off to the criminal record? And I think there is a whole load of midterm politics at play in this. I don't know if you saw the story, Anthony, when it broke, but it got to the political confusion around this because you've got the politics people in the White House who know this is very bad politics for them. It's not playing well around the country. It's not playing well with Hispanic voters in particular. And then you've got the policy people like Stephen Miller, backed up by the president, who still want to go full steam ahead and deport as many people as possible.

32:13Katty Kay:Well, I mean, there's so much going on here, but you and I reported over the summer that ICE has turned down the volume from a media perspective, but have turned up the number of arrests. I think, you know, 50 ,000 or so people were arrested in the month of April, but it's gotten so bad that in places like rural Kansas, you got to think about this. They're sending home forms asking who will pick up your kid if you're detained by ICE. So sad. Okay, so this is no longer a blue city story. This is a nationwide story. And you know that these elections are decided in the suburbs, okay? So we move from downtown LA and we move from places like the border in Texas to the bus stops in Danbury, Connecticut, and people are pissed.

33:03Katty Kay:And the president doesn't want to look weak, but let me tell you something, this is not going over well with his American citizens. And you know this, Caddy, the Homeland Security has doubled the budget for ICE. $75 billion in funding has come through the Congress, and you've got 22 ,000 new officers and staff for ICE. So we've now turned this into the president's playground. Now, the president gets joy, and you should push back on me because you are more balanced than me. The president gets joy in hurting people. He likes this stuff. He likes wrecking people. He likes the idea that these people are getting thrown into detention centers.

33:48Katty Kay:You've seen him speak at his rallies, rough him up, hurt the guy, put him away, all this sort of stuff. And I'm telling you, Caddy, this is going to blow back on him in the election. And so if he loses the Senate and you and I are doing a recap in the first week of November, one of the things we're going to have to bring up is he arrested too many people going into the midterms.

34:12Anthony Scaramucci:Yeah, I think that's you're definitely seeing the blowback on the president and whether he likes this. I'm in two minds on this one, Anthony, because in the first Trump administration, it was the president who came out and said, we've got to do something to protect the dreamers, the people who have come into the country, who came in as children with their parents who crossed the border illegally, who had no choice, but had to just follow their parents. And they've grown up in America. And actually it was Trump who tried to protect them. He didn't manage to end up doing very much, but I got the impression he was pretty sincere.

34:43Anthony Scaramucci:And I think it's because he doesn't like necessarily being seen as the bad guy when it comes to personal situations. He didn't love the separation policy, for example. He didn't think that reflected well on him. So I think he doesn't love seeing people necessarily seeing families separated in the way that they are separated, but he doesn't want to stop Stephen Miller being able to enact these kind of policies.

35:11Katty Kay:I think that was true a few years back. You think he's changed? I think he's gotten darker. I think if you look at every one of his mannerisms and everything that he's doing and the limited nature of his vocabulary now, I think he's in a way darker spot. And I think that Fox News interview is an example of it where he's like, hey, no, I'm beating his chest. Of course, I'm going to arrest all these people.

35:34Anthony Scaramucci:But he could do too. I mean, he's capable of multiple things at once, and I hate getting in the brain of Donald Trump, and you're going to put me in the brain, but he is capable of wanting to appear strong. I'm not backing down. I'm not succumbing to all the liberal media and all those lefty protesters around the country. I'm still holding solid, but also not liking having the picture of kids crying put on him, right? Because that doesn't make him look good. I think he's capable of both things.

36:04Katty Kay:I get it. But just remember, if you hand somebody$75 billion, what are they going to do with the caddy? They're going to do the stuff that you told them to do, and they're going to rough people up. One thing I heard over the weekend, I was out in, because ICE arrested a record 50 ,000 people in

36:19Anthony Scaramucci:August alone. And I had heard this out in Virginia. I spend the weekends out in Virginia, and I'd heard this. And this weekend, somebody was telling me how it's being done that's different is that it's no longer ICE arresting people with the balaclavas and the masks and this kind of, you know, Trump army that we talked about in the beginning of the administration around Minneapolis and LA. This is now particularly in red states. It's where you have a red state governor who can say, okay, ICE, our law enforcement and our traffic cops will work with you to do these detentions. And it's even happening to some extent in Virginia that has a Democratic governor, but still it's happening there.

37:00Anthony Scaramucci:I've seen it happen and everyone's talking about it. It looks like a regular traffic stop. And you can't tell as a member of the public when you're driving past anymore, whether this is an ICE raid, an ICE pickup, and an immigration and somebody about to be deported and arrested, or whether this is just a regular traffic stop for a speeding issue or something like that. And so, the public is not stopping to film these anymore because they don't know. I've gone past now traffic stops, and I've wondered to myself in Virginia, is that somebody being picked up about to be deported, or is that just somebody who was going 80 in a 70 mile zone and they're being picked up for that reason.

37:40Anthony Scaramucci:And it's really hard to tell. Apparently in Virginia, the way you tell, if there's a Kia Telluride, this is your public service announcement guys around the country, the ICE people are in unmarked Kia Telluride SUVs. If there is a Kia Telluride with the cops at the stop, then it's an ICE stop and somebody's about to be deported. And that's when all of the kind of thing of the people filming, because we know from Minneapolis, people filming makes a difference. If people are going to get filmed, I think it would make a difference. Katie, tell us about Maria Elvira Salazar.

38:16Katty Kay:Who is she and what is she doing and saying?

38:18Anthony Scaramucci:So she's the congresswoman from South Florida who released the campaign ads in both English and Spanish, criticizing the Trump administration for going too far on immigration and saying specifically that people feel betrayed and are no longer with the president. Now, she's been a staunch supporter of the president. She's a conservative. She has since said that she released the ad early last week. She's since said that she spoke to President Trump afterwards and that he was very courteous and that he did listen to her. But I think that's why this Daily Wire story is probably right. I think it's people like Maria Salazar.

38:58Anthony Scaramucci:I think it's people like Susan Collins, who's in a tricky race in Maine, who has emphasized her support for strict guardrails on ICE officers, including mandatory body cameras, which many of them, the one down in Austin where the guy was shot in the back. Did you see that video, Anthony?

39:13Katty Kay:I did. It was repulsive, reprehensible.

39:16Anthony Scaramucci:There was filming of the police and the bloody t-shirt, and they're having to cut the t-shirt away. And then he's thrown into a detention center without pain meds and is now starting to lose according to his lawyer feeling. Well, there was another one of those up in Maine over the summer, and that's why you've got Susan Collins speaking out against this. So I think you're seeing Republicans in tight races in places like Texas, because if you look at the numbers, the big surges have been in those red states, and it's because of this use of local law enforcement. And it's places like Texas, in places like Florida, where now I think people like the political report are saying you could lose up to a dozen Republican seats in those states, It's largely because of the ice effect.

39:56Anthony Scaramucci:So do the politics people in the White House not have much clout? Is it the people like Stephen Miller that have more clout?

40:04Katty Kay:It feels that way, Katie. But again, if someone was briefing the president that could reach the president, he wasn't surrounded by yes people, you'd say, hey, you had a great issue in 2024. The border was actually too porous for the American people. They didn't like the Joe Biden super porous 10, 12 million people walking across the border strategy that the Bidens put in place. And so now, though, what you're doing is you're running the risk for Republicans that he turns a winning issue into a losing issue by, quote unquote, winning too hard. You're going overboard, you know. And think about it, Katty.

40:42Katty Kay:Concerned Susan Collins is asking for body camps. Concerned Susan. You know, so to me, I think it's a, listen, I understand the border issue for my fellow Americans. I understand the anxiety of having lots of illegals cross the border. But if people are in the United States and working and they don't have criminal records, it's lost on me, this approach. I don't think it's helping them in the suburbs. I think it's helping them with suburban mothers where they're on the soccer field. and they said, what happened to XYZ? Oh, well, no, they got deported. You know, I went to the local barber and he's got a, it's like a hairstylist area and he's got two valets there.

41:28Katty Kay:I pulled up because it's like a tight parking area. And I said, you know, what happened to Enrico? He said, oh, he's in an ICE detention facility upstate. Everybody knows somebody. Upstate New York. I said, how long has he been there for? Oh, two months. he's in contact with his family no we can't get in touch with him okay i mean that's that's how we're going to treat people okay so what ends up happening is that ripples through the community people are saying okay i get it we want an order that protects us from narcotic traffic and from sex trafficking all about that but we want to be inhumane to people i mean it's very un-american I don't like it at all.

42:08Anthony Scaramucci:Before we go, that story that you told about Kansas, which is so shocking that you've got four towns in rural Kansas this week where the schools have been sending letters to the parents to try and get alternative pickup in case the parents are arrested and detained. That letter doesn't just go out to the kids of people in the country illegally, undocumented people. that letter goes out to every single child. So let's say you are an American citizen living in rural Kansas. And one day your kid comes home with a letter saying, Oh, mom, I got this letter from school and I have to tell them who can pick me up in case you're arrested by ICE.

42:51Anthony Scaramucci:That means that every single parent in that school knows that that's what that school is having to do. Because you can't select which kids to send that out to, right?

43:00Katty Kay:You think those American citizens are happy that they're instilling fear in their young children by bringing that letter home?

43:07Anthony Scaramucci:No, that's how this has ripple effects.

43:09Katty Kay:Revolting.

43:10Anthony Scaramucci:That's how these people, everybody then starts to realize what's going on. And I think it is going to be a problem for him in these midterm elections, for the Republicans in these midterm elections.

43:19Katty Kay:But again, I don't know what the Democrats are doing. I would be plastering that everywhere. I would be plastering that everywhere. I would say the president is taking your children's hope away and he's replacing it with fear. I would be plastering it, but I don't see it. And when I mention it, I get all these comments on Instagram, oh, Ossoff's doing it or this guy's doing it. No, they're not really doing it. Okay, because if they were really doing it, they would be all together and they would be putting out one mission statement after the next. They would have their own midterm convention and they would put out this message as broad and as loudly as possible, but they're not.

43:58Anthony Scaramucci:Because the Democrats fight the last war. Because in 2024, they got hammered by Joe Biden, allowing too many people across the border. And now they're running scared on the immigration issue. Don't you think? I think that's why.

44:10Katty Kay:I do think that. I do think that. But you know, you got to, you know.

44:13Anthony Scaramucci:It's not to excuse them. I think that I'm just explaining why I think they're doing it.

44:16Katty Kay:Let me give you a newsflash, guys. Trump doesn't fight fairly. He fights effectively. Okay. And you should shape up, okay, and recognize what you're up against.

44:25Anthony Scaramucci:Meanwhile, 50 ,000 people arrested during August alone. Okay, guys, we're going to leave it there. We'll be back on Thursday. And of course, this week for our founding members, we have the last in our series based on Antony's book, All the Wrong Moves, which talks about how we got to where we are today, all of the factors that led us up to Donald Trump. Here's a quick clip.

44:46Katty Kay:Trump was right. I was wrong.

44:48Anthony Scaramucci:I think we're going to have a good night tonight.

44:50Katty Kay:Three decades, three presidents, three catastrophic errors.

44:54Anthony Scaramucci:And America is still paying that price today.

44:57Katty Kay:If you want to understand how America elected a person like Donald Trump, you have to follow the money. Mistake one, Clinton allows China into the World Trade Organization. The giant sucking sound of jobs being pulled out of this country. If you kill our wages, you're going to see lots of dysfunction. Drumbeat starts.

45:14Anthony Scaramucci:Then all of a sudden, I thought I'd go right into the World Trade Center.

45:17Katty Kay:Mistake two, war without taxes. You cannot go to war without making sure that that war pays for itself. Because this put us on a deficit trajectory that we can't get out of. And what's left for the American people? Nothing. Mistake three, Obama's Wall Street bailout.

45:34Anthony Scaramucci:10 million American families lost their homes. Bankers, though, got millions in bonuses.

45:39Katty Kay:We handed the cleanup to the men who built the disaster. The populism started because all the money went to the banks. None of the money went to the middle or lower income people. And, Katty, who exploited every single one of these mistakes? Donald J. Trump.

45:55Anthony Scaramucci:Listen to All the Wrong Moves, How America Made Trump by going to TheRestIsPoliticsUS.com today. If you'd like to hear more of the series and any of our backlog, you can listen to, for example, our series on Stephen Miller, which explains a lot about where we are on ice today. You can sign up and join us and become a founding member at TheRestIsPoliticsUS.com.

46:16Katty Kay:Thanks, guys. We'll see you later in the week. Thank you.