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The Rewatchables Podcast Notes: A 2026 Rewatchables Mailbag
Podcast Overview
- Title: The Rewatchables
- Description: A film podcast from the Ringer Podcast Network featuring discussions about movies that are frequently watched and loved.
- Episode Title: A 2026 Rewatchables Mailbag
- Episode Description: Bill Simmons is joined by Chris Ryan and Craig Horlbeck to explore listener-submitted questions and suggestions for new categories as they prepare for the year 2026.
Key Contributors
- Host: Bill Simmons
- Guests: Chris Ryan, Craig Horlbeck
- Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo
Episode Highlights Introduction
- Transition from Sports to Film: The episode begins with a light discussion on sports, highlighting the NFL draft and playoffs, indicating a blend of sports and film culture.
- Mailbag Segment: The main focus is on listener questions submitted to thebrewatchables33@gmail.com, exploring new categories for future episodes.
Major Themes and Discussions
- Rewatchability in Today's Streaming Era:
- Discussion around how streaming has impacted the concept of rewatchable films.
- The idea of "channel surfing" is less prevalent, impacting how people discover movies.
- Changing Nature of Watching Movies:
- The ease of accessing content has shifted viewing habits; people are less likely to stumble upon films unintentionally.
- The hosts reflect on how their preferences change when watching alone vs. with family or friends.
Listener Suggestions for New Categories
- Watch Party Award:
- Suggests categorizing films based on ideal settings for watching (e.g., first dates, family gatherings).
- The Horlbeck Scale:
- A proposed measurement for movie length, emphasizing that many films would benefit from being around 100 minutes.
- Worst Advice Award:
- For movies that offer bad life lessons or advice, enhancing the discussion of character decisions.
- The Michael Myers Award:
- For scenes where characters are oblivious to the consequences of their actions, particularly related to horror films.
- Leon Vitale Award:
- For the crew members who had the most challenging experiences on set, based on notorious film productions.
Notable Points of Debate
- Movies with Ambiguous Endings: Debate around whether certain characters in films like "The Sure Thing" actually followed through on relationships or actions.
- Revisiting Old Films: Reflection on how perceptions of films can change over time, with examples of movies that were initially disliked but gained appreciation later.
Listener Interactions
- Engaging with various listener emails that include humorous anecdotes, film critiques, and suggestions for awards that often humorously dissect film logic and character actions.
- Discussions about famous actors and their roles within the context of rewatchability.
Closing Thoughts
- The episode wraps up with a commitment to integrating new categories and suggestions from listeners into future episodes, maintaining the interactive nature of the podcast.
Key Takeaways
- Impact of Streaming: As streaming grows, the traditional rewatchable film concept is evolving.
- Community Engagement: The podcast thrives on listener involvement, driving the discussion with varied perspectives and suggestions.
- Film Analysis: Incorporating humor and personal anecdotes, the episode underscores the duality of enjoying films while critically analyzing their content and production.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOMailbag Setup
0:46 to 1:21
Setting up the mailbag segment with listener questions.
“Yeah, I got a stealth viewing of that one.”
Rewatchability Discussion
1:22 to 3:56
Exploring the evolution of movie rewatchability in the streaming era.
“We did it at the beginning of this year as well.”
Changing Viewing Habits
3:57 to 5:07
Discussing how instant gratification has altered movie-watching experiences.
“but I acknowledge that the jumping in during a movie thing is pretty hard now.”
Ideal Movie Watching Scenarios
5:08 to 7:58
Suggesting categories for ideal movie watching situations and settings.
“I'm gonna put on an old movie I love to I'm gonna put on an old TV show I love.”
Movies to Avoid with Family
7:59 to 12:17
Discussing what movies are inappropriate to watch with parents.
“I think this is better than ideal age, right?”
Technology's Impact on Movies
12:18 to 14:00
Examining how modern technology affects the storyline and experience of films.
“I was listening to the Can't Hardly Wait rewatchables.”
Changes in Movie Plot Dynamics
14:00 to 15:00
Exploration of how modern technology alters classic movie plots.
“that explains everything that will be sent to the press in the event of my death yeah pre-internet crime changes a lot.”
Award Categories Discussion
15:00 to 18:00
Introducing new award categories inspired by movie scenes.
“Like that scene would just be him on a cell.”
Personal Movie Reassessments
18:00 to 21:00
Reflecting on how views of films can change over time.
“You also wrote that Jamie Foxx has no chemistry with Colin Farrell at all.”
Debating Movie Endings
21:00 to 24:20
Discussion on alternate endings and their impact on films.
“Even Booksmart, I go back and I'm like, you know what, Booksmart was pretty good.”
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The Impact of Spoilers
24:20 to 27:00
How spoilers affect movie viewing experiences and perceptions.
“Like, he lets his emotions get the better of him.”
Exploring Award Suggestions
27:00 to 28:00
Reviewing audience suggestions for new award categories.
“I like the Clarence Worley Award, though.”
Discussion of Movie Quotes
28:00 to 29:00
Exploration of awkward movie quotes and categories for future episodes.
“Anyway, Bo says, was re-jamming the Saving Private Ryan episode earlier?”
Childhood Penguin Alter Egos
29:00 to 30:30
A humorous personal story about childhood experiences related to penguin alter egos.
“That seemed more like he wanted to tell that story and then put Demolition Man and request in there.”
Best and Worst Movie Characters to Hang With
30:30 to 32:20
Debate on characters from movies who would make great or terrible hangouts.
“So you do or don't care about the NFL MVP award?”
After-Credit Scenes in Films
32:20 to 33:30
Discussion on the concept of after-credit scenes and their impact on storytelling.
“It's basically what happens the next day, but as a scene.”
Ambiguous Movie Endings
33:30 to 34:50
Exploration of ambiguous endings in films and their implications on character arcs.
“I'm pretty into every time a movie ends when it's just like title card with this person went on to do this.”
Revisiting Movie Plots and Theories
34:50 to 36:50
Analysis of various movie plots and theories including examples from popular films.
“I actually think I would say it's 55-45.”
Categories for Awful Movies
36:50 to 38:40
Suggestions for new categories in discussions about poorly received films.
“It would have been funny if he was like a Jets fan and she's like, no.”
Iconic Characters and Their Impact
38:40 to 40:00
A discussion on characters that left a significant impression on audiences and their roles in films.
“Says, first, my son and I really love the show.”
Listener Emails and Suggestions
40:00 to 42:01
Reading and discussing emails from listeners suggesting categories and expressing appreciation.
“Well, I'd like the, hey, it's Enrico Palazzo Award because that guy had one line and it's the funniest line in the whole movie.”
The Purge Leap Year Discussion
42:01 to 42:51
Exploration of the concept of a leap year without laws, linking it to The Purge.
“called leap year where every four years there are no laws or rules.”
Awards for Iconic Female Characters
42:52 to 44:10
Discussion of a humorous award for impactful female characters in movies.
“This is a long email from Nicole D, but I'm doing it for Mallory because she listened to The Witness Rewatchables and had to share this story.”
The Dennis Peck Relationship Test Award
44:11 to 45:23
Introduction of a new award idea centered around fidelity tests in movies.
“The Dennis Peck Relationship Test Award.”
Bill Paxton and Movie Categories
45:24 to 46:31
Discussion about Bill Paxton's influence and suggestions for movie categories.
“can you name a category after Bill Paxton actor.”
Worst Advice Award Discussion
46:32 to 48:37
Humorous debate over bad advice given in movies, suggesting a new category.
“whether Cruz could have been before sunrise.”
Indiana Jones and Movie Realism
48:38 to 49:47
Discussion on the realism of characters' hygiene in classic movies like Indiana Jones.
“Then he said the other one, this is great.”
Proof of Life and Stinkiness
49:48 to 50:54
Thoughts on how character appearances in movies like Proof of Life could be perceived.
“My mom told me that once and it stuck with me for some reason.”
The Horlbeck Scale of Movie Length
50:55 to 54:06
Introduction and discussion of the Horlbeck Scale to evaluate movie lengths.
“In honor of Craig Horlbeck's love of shorter movies.”
Discussion on Movie Length Preferences
54:07 to 56:00
Further exploration of preferences regarding movie runtimes and their impact.
“Like the first Matrix, you would not, it's pretty long.”
New Award Categories Proposed
56:00 to 57:24
Exploration of new award categories for the podcast related to film character evaluations.
“In the spirit of that legendary 10 minutes, I'd like to nominate a new category.”
Character Evaluations: The Good and the Bad
57:24 to 58:56
Discussion of notable film characters who evoke strong feelings, good or bad.
“yeah we like Bob Towne This is from Jay Tate.”
Rewatchable Movies and Plot Critique
58:56 to 1:00:38
Analysis of rewatchable films that failed to deliver impactful conclusions.
“I'm still outraged that we didn't have five more Mia Sarah movies.”
Career Trajectories of Actors
1:00:50 to 1:02:22
A look at the unexpected career paths of actors after their early roles.
“It's not officially a rewatchable mailbag until we antagonize CR.”
Reevaluating Iconic Actor Comparisons
1:02:22 to 1:03:46
Debate about classic actor pairings and the potential impact of adding new comparisons.
“like when you were watching Stand By Me, obviously we lost over Phoenix, but like, would you have guessed that either any of the other kids in that movie would have had bigger careers?”
Film Critique and Audience Reactions
1:03:46 to 1:07:26
Discussion of various films and the critiques of their storylines and performances.
“And I'm like, Denzel Washington's seven.”
Innovative Ideas for Future Episodes
1:07:26 to 1:10:00
Exploration of unique and humorous ideas for future podcast episodes based on listener suggestions.
“Showered in sparks from the blown out lights.”
Best Insults in Film
1:10:00 to 1:11:15
Discussion on crafting awards for the best insults from movies.
“Looking at the list of films you're showing over the weekend, I think this was the Boston weekend, gave me a flex category idea.”
Ridiculous Connections in Film
1:11:15 to 1:12:15
Exploring absurd connections in movies and potential awards.
“that would be for a line from this movie that has entered the pop culture lexicon.”
Shoehorning Characters into Narratives
1:12:15 to 1:13:18
Ideas for integrating Michael Myers into various films discussed.
“Grant McPhee said, My category suggestion is the Michael Myers Shoot Him Again Award.”
Concepts for New Movie Sequels
1:13:18 to 1:16:56
Brainstorming ideas for sequels and character developments.
“Fine, Michael Myers is retired for Dennis Peck.”
Thematic Movie Months
1:16:56 to 1:18:56
Creating themed months for movie discussions based on specific topics.
“grabbing anyone from landman okay whoever the oh yeah the stripper physical therapist worked with Sam Elliott last night?”
Character Rewrites in Film
1:18:56 to 1:20:01
Analyzing instances of character rewrites throughout film history.
“Reds would be fun for the research and the dialogue about making the movie.”
Nitpicking Film Plot Holes
1:20:01 to 1:23:30
Discussing and nitpicking logical inconsistencies in popular films.
“The whole thing is it's Henry's perception of Paulie changes.”
Painful Stunts in Movies
1:23:30 to 1:24:01
Evaluating the realism and pain of movie stunts.
“And how did all this stuff happen in five hours?”
Exploring Movie Stunts and Their Real-Life Impact
1:24:01 to 1:26:31
Discussion about various movie stunts, their realism, and potential consequences.
“No, but what was the movie we were talking about that you broke that out?”
Fan Email: Awards and Categories for Movies
1:26:32 to 1:28:19
Listeners suggest various movie awards and categories for discussion.
“The problem is we don't do a lot of these movies.”
Creative Movie Category Suggestions
1:28:20 to 1:29:55
Further exploration of unique movie categories proposed by fans.
“It's got to be like she's going to fuck your life up.”
The Most Fucked Up Day on Set Award
1:29:56 to 1:31:41
Discussion on a humorous award for difficult days on film sets.
“The guy in Seven who had to work with the sloth dude.”
Debating Bad Accents in Movies
1:31:42 to 1:33:25
A lively debate about the most notorious bad accents in film history.
“Travis Swerger wants us to rename the hottest take and take you off the hook.”
Actors in Poorly Written Roles
1:33:26 to 1:35:42
Discussion on how great actors can be hindered by poorly written characters.
“The Kate Beckinsale Award for this movie is only good because she's hot.”
Character Analysis: Neil in Heat
1:35:43 to 1:37:52
Analysis of the character Neil's decision-making process in the film Heat.
“But do you think K Adams is a stage name for Michael Corleone?”
Analyzing Neil's Strategy in Heat
1:38:00 to 1:40:42
Explore the flawed choices and motivations of Neil in the film Heat.
“Neil's personnel management, I mean, he's picking up his getaway driver the morning of the heist.”
Debating Chirito's Morality
1:40:42 to 1:42:54
Discuss the moral ambiguity of Chirito and his impact on the heist group.
“I'm fine just like every six weeks or so we do a different kind of deal.”
Award Ideas and Movie Impressions
1:42:54 to 1:44:40
Introduce new award categories and comedic impressions related to film.
“I understand that, where you're like, oh, wow, if an actor of this level's in this scene, it elevates the movie.”
Critique of Sports Commentators
1:44:40 to 1:46:48
Examine the effectiveness and styles of various sports commentators.
“We need a new batch, new batch of blood.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05The Rewatchables, first one of 2026, brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network, where you can find the fantasy football podcast with Craig Corbidem. Yep, transitioning into the NFL draft off-season show, but we're still going through the playoffs. Awkward. We're going to talk on, you're coming on my pod, because we're going to take something from my pod this week, too. We're going to talk about playoff fantasy, because I have a wrinkle that I always mention and has never come on. CR? Yeah. The Watch? Stranger Things finale? We did a little bit of that today, yeah. We did a little heated rivalry.
0:34We did a little bit of Landman, and we have a big month. The Pit, Industry, Night of the Seven Kingdoms all coming this month. I saw DTF St. Louis. Okay. It's not out yet. The Bateman show? Yeah, I got a stealth viewing of that one. Landman was great. Landman. He did robbery. My wife watched all six episodes, Saturday and Sunday, and was sobbing in the kitchen. I don't know what goes on in that show, but... It's really good. You watched it? Yeah. There's no season two, right? Yeah, there will be a season two. But there will be a season two. Oh, yeah. There's a bunch of books. They're all based on a book series.
1:11Oh. Great news, Craig. Heated Rapper's coming back. Great. I did not watch it. I had to spend all my time watching the 12 Hours of Stranger Things, but maybe I'll watch it. Okay. We're doing a mailbag. We did this at the beginning of last year. We did it at the beginning of this year as well. People sent in questions to thebrewatchables33 at gmail.com. They sent a whole bunch of good stuff, and it's coming up next.
1:46All right. These are actual questions from actual listeners. Going to start with, it's not a mailbag question. It's more of a comment. It's from Jeff Wood. Has the concept of a movie being rewatchable actually aged the worst? With streaming and cord cutting, we have lost the ability to channel surf. I wonder how many movies I would have only watched one time if I had to go to a streaming service to watch and not catch it by accident. I know I'm not jumping in at the 32-minute mark. That's for sure. And then he says, looking forward to watching Eddie and the Cruisers with you guys, if it's ever on.
2:16I get this question a lot. I get it anecdotally. What does a rewatchable mean to somebody? Craig, you're a good generation for this. Yeah. Because your generation doesn't channel surf as much as me and CRs did. Not at all. Channel surfing now as you go, it's too curated now. You can get anything you want. It used to be you went on cable or whatever, you're scrolling, oh, look, a few good men is on. Now, you go to Netflix, you have 500 movies, 5 ,000 movies to choose from. So you never really stumble into anything anymore. I also think YouTube killed this a little bit because now you can just watch the last big action scene from Top Gun Maverick or the bridge scene in Sicario or the border crossing scene in Sicario.
2:58And you're not like, ooh, it's on. And I only have to wait 40 minutes for that to happen. So the instant gratification of YouTube really changed it. I would say that when I am with my wife for instance we tend to re-watch movies that we love because it's what we agree on and I think that like when I'm solo I'm like I gotta watch something new I gotta see something I've never seen before and keep building it out but when but when my wife and I are together we'll be like let's just put Scream on you know or let's just put Jurassic Park on because we might look at our phones but like that's but you're starting it from the beginning and when we created Rewatchables in 2017, part of the concept was you're channel surfing.
3:42And you come across this scene, you can't stop watching or you see that it's coming on the cable. You're waiting for the TNT game to start. Oh, look what's on. Yeah, because this is the 10th year of the podcast basically. In 2026. We started in 2017. I'm still going to keep the premise but I acknowledge that the jumping in during a movie thing is pretty hard now. I mean, what would changing the premise This would be a... Guys, new title. Watchables. Good movies. I still have cable. Me too. Because we have spectrum for internet. They offered cable. Kept it. I like the cable guide. I got all the movies.
4:22I just charged Spotify. Don't tell them. It's research. It is. But I still like going to the cable guide and zooming through and being like... Yeah. Like the other day, ironically, HBO had History of the World Part 1 on. Uh-huh. A movie that I don't think has been on cable for like 10 years. I was like, oh! And watched the second half of that. And I don't even think I would have known it was on HBO Max. Do you not get the same feeling scrolling through Netflix and seeing what movies they have? Does that not feel the same as scrolling through cable? It feels 90 % the same. The difference is when we were scrolling through and saw History of the World, it was right when they were getting to France.
4:59Right. In the last like 30 minutes of the movie. And I was like, oh my, I gotta watch this. Yeah. That feeling's gone. I will say, oh, no, you go ahead. I also just think the comfort watch has transitioned from I'm gonna put on an old movie I love to I'm gonna put on an old TV show I love. I think it's now because it's so easy to just, like, throw on The Office that that is kind of the go-to. I got two hours to kill. I'm gonna watch Friends or The Office. I will say that... I'm there, too. Maybe I'm both with TV and movies. When you were doing your big list, the 50 rewatchables of the 21st century.
5:28What an honor for you to be in the room for that, by the way. In our no-prep era. again um blind blind pod i will say do you feel like the last like the because cable channels now i think are playing more movies from the last like 10 years say yeah and those movies tend to be whether it's avengers or a gerard butler action movie or whatever like we're we're basically out of the era where you can randomly catch the firm and i think that that has sort of changed a little bit of my relationship to channel surfing to rewatch stuff is because we've now moved into this like it's just winter soldier now batman versus superman is is on hbo most of the day you know well that's one of the things that got me sucked into number 16 limitless iconic um right as he's about to right as he's the pills are in the refrigerator and he's taking him it's like all right this is a fun 20 minutes it's one of the last ones of its era All right.
6:25Brian and Albany. So we're not changing the name of the show, just to be clear. No, I'm fine. Brian and Albany. He says, Bill often jokes about certain films being great. Airplane movies. Limitless, ironically. Taken. Sure. So any rom-com. There's certain airplane, you have it on, you don't really want to concentrate. There's people getting up, moving around. But it's like you kind of turn your brain half off. Like B-tier action movies? Yeah. so he said I think that idea should be its own category you pick the ideal setting and audience to watch the film with I love this okay he said some possible options first date when Harry met Sally significant other fatal attraction kids toy story in-laws the fugitive which I think is really smart like you're hanging out with your in-laws what are you going to watch fugitive there's no real sex there's action buddy movie Terminator 2 Airplane movie, Draft Day, Limitless, ironically put in there.
7:25Theater, Jaws, The Sounds of Lambs. And then he had solo, hardcore 8mm, 8mm parentheses, a.k.a. the CR special. This guy's in Albany? Yeah. Him solo watching 8mm. I love the CR special. Species, that's a solo watch. Right. Well, he said the category name suggestion could be the Watch Party Award. Oh. I like this. So maybe at the top, right before we go into rewatchable categories, like, all right, watch party. Ideal setting for this. And you kind of pick what it is. Yeah, kind of like after what's the ideal age to watch it. It's like what's the ideal venue. I think this is better than ideal age, right?
8:04Yeah. Like this is the end is a buddy movie. For sure. That's like my buddies are in town. We're going to watch this is the end. I had a couple other ideas for categories though. Five o 'clocker, my dad's thing for movies that weren't quite good enough to watch at night, but good enough when he used to come home from work and he would stop at this movie theater at five o 'clock and it would always be like some sort of crappy action movie the buddies in town this is the end proxy vacation is a big one where you get to go to hawaii or alaska or vancouver or a place you boys want to go that's just go paris yeah paris the worst product japan for lots of translation ladies only the holiday like we're just out my wife's like my friends here we're just the holiday was on we're just watch.
8:48All right, I'm going to leave. Scary movie. And then I added Peanut Gallery. Oh, yeah. Movies like regarding Henry. Oh, you're yelling at the screen. Yeah, you're just making fun of it the entire movie. Like, I can't believe they did this. I do think that adds to the experience. Like, I watched all of Stranger Things this break, but I watched it with like five people and it was way more fun that way. We're all kind of making jokes, throwing out. That's my wife and I were doing that. It's so much better that way. See, I tried to do that with my kids and they're like, shut up, dad. Shut Shut up!
9:16They thought they were watching it. You understand Vecna's bridging the upside down. They thought they were at a Godfather 1 screening in 1972. Vecna's just a soldier now. Yeah. For some reason. All right, I like that one. We're going to add Watch Party. Okay. Patrick Craig writes in, Hey, I'm a big fan of the show. I just finished the new Mailbag episodes. This is from a long time ago. All these questions are from the last 12 months. I wanted to confirm that Monsters Ball is the worst movie to see with your parents. I saw it in the theater with my mom when it came out 23 plus years ago I'm still scarred to this day and we went because we both saw Raj's four star review in the local newspaper I was trying to think is that the is that the worst is that the Halle Berry movie Requiem for a Dream yeah that was when she's she loses her son and then she has sex with Billy Bob they had like this crazy sex scene right she's like make me feel good make me feel good and she's fucking Bob I think I've seen that in a clip somewhere but I haven't seen that film yeah this was not one you'd want to see with the in-laws you know there's some movies that are inappropriate to watch with your parents but if you're young enough like they can be like don't worry about that part i always think about the mig scene in silence of the lambs yeah and how long it took me before i realized what was what migs was throwing you know it was just the slider yeah it's just like a long 10 years of like yeah he just sneezed i mean over the break we were debating watching one battle after another with my in-laws and then And I was like, ah, Sean Penn in the first 10 minutes of this movie.
10:43Red boners. Kind of gets a no-hand boner. So I don't think you can do it. Yeah, Craig's a good litmus test for this because he still hangs out with the in-laws from time to time. Yeah, like what movies would I watch with Liz's parents is a big factor in what we put on on Saturday. I mean, The Fugitive is perfect. Apollo 13 is perfect. I'm going to say rated R probably out across the board if you're with in-laws or like girlfriends, parents. Yeah, like Holdovers was a huge hit. It's a good one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Chaz Summers from Orlando, Florida. Chaz with an S. You're fully doxing these guys. Brian in Albany is on the watch list now.
11:18What's their email? He says, tell Bill Proof of Life is from 2000. So Zodiac can replace in the top 50. This is for my rewatchables list. It actually worked out perfectly. I accidentally, somehow Zodiac got cut out and it was in the 30s. I was moving stuff around. I don't know how that happened. But then I did Proof of Life which wasn't from 2001 and on. I thought it was 2002. I fucked up. So Zodiac just goes into the proof of life spot. You're taking proof of life out. I think it's out. It was from the wrong era. So we're not including 2000s movies, but you're including Zodiac? Well, I accidentally left off Zodiac, which I was supposed to be in there.
11:57So I think it's just a natural fix for the official list when it's on basketballreference.com or wherever it lands. Rewatchablesreference.com. Rewatchablemoviesreference.com. But Black Hat stays. Black Hat stays. Why would there be any second guessing about that? Just wanted to throw it out there. Thanks for sticking up for me, Sarah. Casey Morgan writes in, I was listening to the Can't Hardly Wait rewatchables. Joanna Robinson came up with a category. Would a cell phone ruin this movie? You should expand it to what technology ruins this movie. For example, an Out of Time, a movie we have not done yet, but I know.
12:35Yeah. Yes. You know, Out of Time. No. Denzel. We've been following out of time since the combine. Yeah. Great measurables. Incredible 40 times. Since the eighth grade AAU tournament. He said, and out of time, if Dean Cain had a ring camera, he would have known Denzel was hooking up with his lady. The ring camera probably ruins just as many cell phone movies. Yeah. Should this be a category? I like it. I think it should at least be test-driven. I don't know if it moves into the main, but maybe it goes into the flex. But I had a couple ideas for this. The Sarah Connor, if we wanted... Like, it needs a name.
13:13It can't just be with technology ruined the movie. Is it the Sarah Connor Award for does technology ruin this movie? She has a cell phone. They're getting a hold of her right away. Yeah, I mean, I think cell phone... Die Hard is a big one where cell phones would come into play. For me, when I was thinking about... The Firm is the last movie right before, like, file sharing or file transfers become digital. so like Dropbox entirely hinges on fax machines yeah and if you just had email like is the firm basically like yeah that's we're all good you sent email like movie's over yeah movie's over he's not getting chased a lot of movies where there's any wire fraud or you know across date lines transfer and any movie where someone's like here is a letter that explains everything that will be sent to the press in the event of my death yeah pre-internet crime changes a lot.
14:07Yeah. I mean, even Home Alone. Like, if he had a phone, like, everything would have probably been fine. Yeah, and they would have had him on Life 360. Yeah, he would have been following him. I had two more for this, though. Because I want to figure out who to name it after because I like it. It would be funny to name it after Denzel in Out of Time, a movie that anyone's barely seen. But Sarah Connor's good. The Reggie Hammond Award. We don't have a 48 Hours, my favorite movie. You can see... What's it? Where'd it go? Oh, it fell underneath. it's behind Craig 48 hours Reggie Hammond's just gone for 12 hours in that movie when they get separated yes and then it turns out he's at the nightclub he's like I know you don't know about this it's a popular place with the brothers when he's talking to Jack Hates he's at Bromans but Jack can't get a hold of him for 12 hours because they have cell phones now if they have cell phones he'd be like where are you motherfucker yeah do you think they could have found Jaws like would Jaws just have been tagged and like drone struck in 20 minutes yeah I mean any serial killer movie probably it's like all that stuff where it's like this man he wants something that he can't have and it's like no he has DNA we would just find it you know the other one I thought would be good for this is the end of Good Will Hunting Affleck sets the scene up when they're having construction construction he's like you know what the best part of my day is every day I walk and I go to pick you up and I'm hoping you're not there and he sets it up for later when he goes to pick him up and Will's not there and he looks through the window and then he does that Ben Affleck really goes for the supporting actor award.
15:39Now he'd just be on a cell. Like that scene would just be him on a cell. Yo, where are you? Yeah. And it's completely ruined. You check his location. Will's just like, I gotta go see about a girl. Yeah. So who is this named after? Is it Sarah Connor? Is that the most obvious one? Yeah, it's a good one. We don't have Sarah Connor in an award. Okay. Matt Katz has a new category. This is good. It ties into earlier. The Replacements Cheerleader Tryout Award for most awkward scene to be playing when someone else walks in the room. So it's just a normal movie you're watching, but they walk in during the precise worst scene that ever could have happened.
16:12And he explains, I was watching that scene. My wife walked in without context. It's completely ridiculous. Terrible acting by the strippers. Sudden random 90 music. My wife looked confused, then backed away and slowly exited. We could also call this the, because I did this, the poor things, worst movie to watch on a plane award. I watched Poor Things on a plane. I kind of knew what I was getting into, but not fully. Every single scene of Poor Things is probably the worst time to walk into it. But this is a great category. He also suggested the domestic abuse scene in The Godfather or Will Hunting on the couch pretending he was molested.
16:46I was thinking, oh, bah, fuck who you? And somebody just walks into that. What are you watching? But I wanted to name this one. Maybe it sticks with replacement cheerleaders, but I want to the He Got Game Hooker Award. He Got Game is just going great and then there's the five minute crazy hooker scene. So you're talking about more of like an incongruous like... You're soloing. Right. But like the scene, it shouldn't be like, oh, somebody walks in right at the car accident in Hereditary. Yeah, is it? This scene is not representative. That's a good one too. So it's not just inappropriate. But the car accident in Hereditary is appropriate for the movie.
17:23That's what I'm saying. And also, if somebody walks in and they're like, oh my God, is the car accident about to happen? Then you know you've found your life partner. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I think it's like the he got game hooker scene kind of level thing. I don't know. Maybe we'll get some ideas from the listeners for that. But the replacement's cheerleader tryout's pretty good. Anyway, good idea. Daniel writes in, I reread your original Miami Vice review for page two. I actually went up and looked at this after he wrote it. I wrote, I did a summer movie article for page two in 2006. I wrote about like five movies.
17:59You gave it a C plus and called it a sleek, humorless, dreary cop movie with no real connection to the TV show. You also wrote that Jamie Foxx has no chemistry with Colin Farrell at all. To the point that every time Foxx looks at him, you could almost see him thinking, wow, I can't believe the guy made it to the set today. The last time I saw him, it was 5 a.m. and he was shotgunning a bottle of Bushmills and snorting blow off one of the extras. what a waste of Jamie, this is still me writing, what a waste of Jamie Foxx, it's unbelievable. Then he says, now you love this movie. I'm not even making fun of you for this.
18:33Just curious, have you ever had a bigger flip-flop on a movie? We talked about this when we did the pod. Yes. I didn't like it for eight years. Yeah, you're not running for Congress. You're allowed to change your mind about this. Well, it did make me think like movies, they're not quite flip-flops. They're more movies that just needed to be in the oven for a while. Because Limitless was like this for me too. Sure. I thought Limitless was fine. And then about five years later, I'm like, oh, Limitless. But Miami Vice is number one for me. That goes back to you talking about how we don't rewatch movies anymore.
19:02Now it's kind of just your first impression of the movie is kind of your only impression of the movie because you're not just flipping through cable and you're like, oh, Limitless, I'll give that another shot. You don't really do that anymore. No. So it's tough. This could be a whole month on the rewatchables, movies that I didn't like at first. Movies that stayed in the oven for me. I had three more for me. Oven movies? Black Hat. Yeah. Black Hat, we've made the case. We saw it in the theater, and we were like, man, I don't know about that one. And then I think over multiple viewings, it's really emerged.
19:34This was the case we made to Sean. It's not your fault. It's Black Hat's fault. Sure. Because you just need to watch it four times to fully figure out what happened. I think the first time we saw it, I don't know if we understood more than 30 % of the dialogue. No, I didn't understand it until my fifth viewing. I also had Miami Vice Black Hat. This is the end. I liked it the first time but like the third time it was really when it kicked in and then the other one we haven't done the rewatchables but it's on the list is Public Enemies yeah and I don't know why I didn't like it that much the first time I saw it but I think that movie is really good now it's not dissimilar to Black Hat in that there's a little bit of like what because they're both kind of mumbling throughout the movie so there's a lot of like wait what did he say stuff going on I just it's also when you first see Public Enemies you're like the music is pretty like jarring because it's pretty rock for a 1930s movie.
20:26Yeah. But yeah, it's definitely going to fall. So what's your number one movie you changed your mind on over the years? The movie The Nice Guys went from like, that was all right, to now one of my favorite movies of the last four years. Both guys' movies because I feel that way about the other guys too. Oh, yeah. The other guys, I was like, eh, that's fine. Yeah. And now I think it's really good and I actively seek it out. Do you have one? There's a lot of comedies now that, because there's been such a dry spell of comedies, I now go back to movies like Neighbors. I'm like, I like Neighbors a lot more now, actually.
20:58Yeah. Funny People was another one for me where I was disappointed by the last 40 minutes. We talked about it in the top 50. Even Booksmart, I go back and I'm like, you know what, Booksmart was pretty good. I like Booksmart. I'm trying to think of one that's like a little bit more underrated, but yeah, I mean, Nice Guys is a perfect example of a movie that I was really hyped for, felt a little let down by when I first saw it, And now it's become one of my favorite movies of the last 25 years. I almost wrote down Black Rain for this. But then I kind of went back into my brain when I first saw Black Rain.
21:28I was like, no, no. I actually thought that was fucking awesome. Yeah. I saw Black Rain. Amy Garcia's head got chopped off by a machete. That guy in a motorcycle. Spoiler. He got beheaded. It's a 45-minute break. That movie's amazing. All right. Next one's from David Snow. The endings of movies are often... This one, by the way, buckle up for this one. Oh, I have the one Shutter Island. Shutter Island is a movie the first time I saw it, I was like, that was cool, but kind of dreary. And it's way better, A, when you know the twist, and B, when you're like, I'm fucking going to Shutter Island. Oh, interesting.
22:05I've never seen it. And the reason why is because somebody spoiled it for me, and I was like, how good can it be if you know the twist? It's awesome. What was the best movie you ever spoiled for anybody? I spoiled something. what did I spoil for Maze in a blog post by accident? Oh. Oh, Cabin in the Woods. I like spoiled Cabin in the Woods for all Grantland readers who hadn't seen it. Wow. Do you have a good spoiler? College Professor spoiled The Sixth Sense for me, which fucking sucked. That's a really tough one. And since then, I've always kind of tried my best. Also, that's another problem now.
22:43If a movie came out 10, 15, 20 years ago, there's no way anybody could go into it now for the first time without knowing a major spoiler half the articles on the internet right now are we need to talk about the ending of a movie that is playing in two cities um it's the last minute of eddie and the cruisers accidentally before i saw the movie so i always knew what the ending was right um but my best spoiler ever was i've told this story but jacko my buddy jacko my college roommate yeah we were i think it was like new year's eve 1995 and he was giving me shit. He was pissing me off and I got mad.
23:18I was like, Kaiser Soze is Kevin Spacey. And he was like, what? What the fuck? And I just completely ruined the movie for him. I forget what he said. I think he made fun of the Red Sox. It was something mean-spirited. Also, things get memed so quickly now. Like, if you don't see a movie in the first two weeks, you know half the things that happen. Yeah, that is true. David Snell writes in, this is a buckle-upper. The endings of movies are often pretty lazy, cliched. In Heat, Pacino should die and De Niro should live. Just throws that out. Wow. Then it's a 10 out of 10 movie. In True Romance, Clarence should die.
23:53Then it's a 10 out of 10. Well. In Shawshank Redemption, it should end with red under the tree. Then it's a 10 out of 10, not a 9 out of 5, 9.5. Movie producers and test audiences have too much influence. Pacino should die and De Niro should live. Did we ever really go down this rabbit hole? I mean, I think that De Niro dies because he doesn't adhere to his own code, right? Like, he lets his emotions get the better of him. What goes back for Wayne Grow is concerned about getting Edie out of town. And that's why he fails, whereas Pacino, you know, saves Natalie Portman, but still is hunting for De Niro.
24:36I think you could argue, if you flip it, Pacino dies because he couldn't give up the rush of chasing after guys like Neil. Neil gets away, but he loses this one thing that would have been the love of his life. Right. And now he's back to his whole life is just about the heaping around the corner. It's interesting. They should have done an alternate ending just to fuck with us. Just put it on YouTube 15 minutes. But is the complaint that, like, narratively this was wrong for the movie? or is this guy just bummed that De Niro dies because he's cool? Well, I think that, but that's why this is kind of stupid.
25:12What's not stupid is Clarence dying in True Romance, I think. Well, that was a script, right? Yeah. And I think they changed it because I can't remember the reason we covered this when we did the pod like eight years ago. I think that they were, it was just Tony Scott was like, we got to give people a happy ending here. It's not Reservoir Dogs. The Shawshank Redemption is ridiculous. So is this - I'm completely outraged. and then anyone thinks that should end with red under the tree. I think it's an interesting question with the wrong examples. It's an interesting question about movies that are almost perfect or really, really great that get knocked down a spot or two.
25:46Because they took the easy way out. Or because this happens a lot with horror and sci-fi, where it asks a bunch of questions for the 75 % of the movie. When it has to answer them, it kind of flails around a little bit. A really good example of this is this Danny Boyle movie, Sunshine, which has like three or four of the best scenes of any sci-fi movie you'll see outside of 2001 and then an ending that makes no sense and is basically like a slasher movie. Yeah, it's just like, does it stick the landing? It's really hard for horror. Or it's like the movie, the show Lost, it's like you could ask all these amazing questions and then it's like, can you really answer all of them?
26:18Yeah. Like, I'm not a horror guy, but one of my favorite movies growing up and I watched a ton of times is Signs. The ending of Signs, you know, they're allergic to water is kind of one of the biggest letdowns, I think. so maybe that's the category it's like fumbled it at the one yard line there's also with the big franchise movies now they end five times so like the last movie of a trilogy or a franchise like you know Return of the King is a great movie but Return of the King ends for like 40 minutes it does yeah Dark Knight Rises I feel like has a bunch of endings kind of I just watched Lord of the Rings for the first time in this break did you really?
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26:55all three of them did you like them? I did yeah they're pretty good have you seen them? no Watch him on your flight to Japan Yeah I'll get on it I wrote down that this could be the Let JP win the final F1 race award Because we just talked about that Yeah It could be called the Clarence Whirly Should Have Died Award Or it could have been called The Liam Neeson's daughter Should have just become a Saudi Arabian Heroin Horror Award for taking Like he just never finds her She just passed out for the next 10 years She wasn't even captured by the Saudi Whatever it was It's a Saudi Arabian heroin whore.
27:33I like the Clarence Worley Award, though. Sure. Because I think that's a really good topic about whether he should have died or not. So, I don't know. I'll put it in the flex. We're going to take a break, and then we'll do the next batch. All right. Next email is from Bo in San Francisco. Spells it B-O. Some people do the B-A-U. The French spelling. Other people just go B-O. I don't know. What would you do? If you had a son named Bo, Would you go the B.O. or would you go the B.E.? I think I'd probably go B.O. Even though B.E.A.U. is definitely fancier. Oh, wait. Bo Horlbeck's a strong name. Bo Horlbeck?
28:07I think he goes Boho. I don't know if that plays. Yeah, that's probably not good. Bo Jackson, Bo Nix. Yeah, B.O. B.O.'s pretty good. Anyway, Bo says, was re-jamming the Saving Private Ryan episode earlier? I guess that was the re-watch post we did. Re-jamming. Was re-jamming it. I don't know. I don't know if that's the re-jammables. he wanted to throw out a suggestion for a subcategory the earn this award for awkward movie quote that should have been vetted by William Goldman first so just like a really bad quote from a movie that we were like somebody the producers needed to step in I don't mind it I was thinking way to go Paula way to go that would have been a good earn this award but I couldn't think of any other ones of just terrible quotes of movies anyway keep moving Mitch Schaub he suggests the was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor for when Bill messes up a name or a quote but everyone is just like forget it he's on a roll
29:10that's pretty good did you say the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor no I don't know well that's Belushi says that was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor that's good that's pretty good really weird email from Chris L he said y 'all need to do a Dumb Ocean Man episode it was a TBS TNT staple growing up I probably watched it way too young in first grade my teacher was obsessed with penguins everyone in our class had to create their own penguin alter ego for the year what? I went with a rock hopper penguin dressed as Simon Phoenix Simon has bleach blonde hair rock hoppers have yellow feathers or tracks I was proud of this thing walked to the front of the class presented it and got absolutely nothing no laughs no nods no recognition just a room full of blank six year old stares at the time I was crushed.
29:54Don't crush me a second time. Put Demolition Man on the schedule. That seemed more like he wanted to tell that story and then put Demolition Man and request in there. So you think Chris L made it up? No, I mean, that sounds pretty specific. I don't know how you would make that up. It's pretty young to watch Demolition Man. I've never seen it. I mean, I did show my son Halloween when he was like five, but maybe not want to judge here. But anyway, Demolition Man has kind of been in the mix. Yeah, I think it's probably, you're going to make your way through the Sylvester Stallone filmography. Yeah, I was thinking it's, at some point you got to pad Stallone's stats a little bit.
30:25It's a project. Like the Rams padded Matt Stafford yesterday. Sure. Like he needs two more touchdowns. Right. I know we're on the one yard line, but maybe we could run a complicated. So you do or don't care about the NFL MVP award? I just think it's now become a logic test. So you think putting up stats against easy opponents should not be counted towards an MVP? I just think they were chasing the MVP yesterday. Playing three win Arizona. This is a great one. It's from Zach. He left no other information. It's just Z-A-C-H. You're safe, Zach. Probably Zach Love. category idea best hang worst hang pick a category from the movie who would be best hang and worst hang or best hang or worst hang for example hereditary charlie would probably be a pretty bad hang yeah making that clicky noise with her tongue constantly decorating roadkill where you're trying to watch the game dietary restrictions and negligence means you're probably running to the hospital after she takes a handful of peanuts while watching a nuggets game a nuggets game what happened payment the king of hell I'm just trying to watch Aaron Gordon.
31:23God damn it. Jesus, you're overdosing again. Payman, the king of hell, would be a good hang. Would have some surefire betting tips, some cool stories about people that don't know. And he wears the crown. Okay, so we have to nominate best hang and worst hang of every movie. I like that. That's good. I think it could be a flex if there was a movie. David's a huge avalanche fan. Loves to ask. Loves when guys mix it up. I don't mind best hang, worst hang. No, it's good. I think that could go in the flex at least. Sure. this is great. Chris T said, new category. If this film had an after credit scene like the MCU, what would it be?
32:01You'd need to start off with at least a suggestion of heat's after credit scene. Thank you for the years of entertainment. So I wrote some stuff down for heat. And then you feel free to add Vincent Hanna was divorced three more times and died after his nasal cavity cabbed in for too much cocaine. That was one. Oh wait. So you're doing like the title card, like the written text of what? Okay. Edie used Neil's money to launch 8books.com Edie Oh yeah, okay Chris was murdered by gamblers after losing a Vikings tease in the Gary Anderson game in 1998 And then Kelso became a billionaire when he created Reddit Because it's all out there It's all out there But I would totally have watched the heat after credits Yeah, I mean the typical MCU one It's either teasing a sequel Or it's some sort of light-hearted like we're all just eating after like this crazy moment.
32:53It's basically what happens the next day, but as a scene. So I would like to see John McClane and Holly McClane instantly start fighting like five minutes after he saved her life. So that would be the MCU after credits, just an extra scene? Yeah. No, it's either a tease for the next thing. No, no. It's a tease for the next movie or it's like, we're just having euros now because we just saved the world. Yeah. Like the end of every Arrested Development episode kind of did this. They would do like a little closing tease or joke for the next episode, kind of. Should we start doing that? I would. I'm not against.
33:24Or should we start doing that for rewatchables? Like the rewatchables ends and then it's like. Oh, and then it's just like a cold exit? Yeah, cold exit. I like that. I'll work on that one. What were we going to say? Oh, I just would. I'm pretty into every time a movie ends when it's just like title card with this person went on to do this. That's what I thought that was. I love it. Yeah. That's like stripes. Yeah. When they go through all the people in stripes. But that's like an 80s, 90s thing. I don't feel like they do that anymore. open little doms. Yeah. Just like, yeah, they usually only do it for like true stories.
33:53Now where they actually tell you like what ended up happening to Billy Bean and money ball. Yeah. Yeah. Perry McD had a question about the sure thing. He said the most obvious unanswerable question is what was the sure thing doing as Gib made his way across country? Fair point. Great question. Good question. Smoking hot lady waiting for two weeks for this guy. Yeah. But I came up with an even better question after listening close to the closing dialogue on my 73rd viewing. Did Gib actually sleep with the sure thing? After the professor reads his essay, which is not given as having to be completely factual, Allison said, you didn't sleep with her.
34:26Gib said, you still seeing Jason? We broke up. That's too bad. You didn't sleep with her. Gib says, she wasn't my type. Notice that he never says no. It's not a no. Evidence for Gib sleeping with her. She was every man's type. You're not backing down after cross country and you just saw the girl you loved go off with their boyfriend who ostensibly had sex and they had no chance. It's a good one. I actually think I would say it's 55-45. He probably had sex with her and then was just never going to tell her. Never going to tell Allison. I'm trying to think of other movies that have ambiguous conclusions like that because like...
35:05But did you feel like... I've seen that movie a million times. It never occurred to me. I never thought Gibbs slept with her. He actually did have sex with her. You never thought he slept with her. If anything, I think Gibbs was a virgin, which he says he's not. He says he's had sex with like six people. But if anything, I thought he was like, that was driving all this anxiety. Yeah, the heart of the movie leads you to believe there's no way he does that. But he's in that really cool room surrounded by beer, empty beer bottles. You know what I mean? It's Craig's favorite rewatchable of 2025. Love that movie.
35:34Yeah. What is your list? You tweeted a list. You had a couple that you loved. Sure thing. The Sunset Sunrise duo. Yeah. Craig's a sensitive guy. Most bizarre was Species, but I enjoyed it. Blue chips. You love species. Love species. Blue chips. Yeah. Good hang or bad hang? The species woman. The actual Natasha Henstridge? No, no. The character. Oh. Where's she? I think if you can keep her... If you can keep her calm... Without her, like, biological imperative kicking in, I think she's probably a really good hang. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certainly not opposed to partying in a bar and not wearing a lot of clothes.
36:12Chocolate pudding? Yeah. Could you have tricked her into wearing a condom and she would think, like, why am I not getting pregnant so she wouldn't kill you yet because you haven't inseminated her? Like, if you just wore a condom and had sex with her a couple times, maybe she would have no idea. Wow, that's a great idea. Well, what is it? Isn't she aware of condoms? But she knew right away that she was inseminated. Yes. Because she was like, it's happening. But if she finds her, if you figure out that you're her dream partner, you put on a condom, tell her this will help. Do you really want to be the guy who's been lying to her though?
36:42Yeah. Like, do you think that she would I think the guy is dying at some point after the encounter. It's just a matter of how long he can hang on. The LA club guy, was he of diabetes or something? Is that why she kills him? Yeah, she can sense it. Yeah, it's insensitive. Tough feed for diabetes. It really is. Jonathan G in New Jersey. It would have been funny if he was like a Jets fan and she's like, no.
37:03She's making out with him and sees a Jets poster behind him. She's like, no. She looks at his Twitter and he's just like, we got to keep Aaron Glenn. Do you see Todd McShay who does stuff with us at The Ringer? He had a whole thing today about how Dante Moore should not come out if it's the Jets. Yeah, I kind of think that. Nobody in the draft should want to play for the Jets. It's just like shots fired at Phetasy. He's just sitting here after holiday having a great time getting ready to do movies. Have you not? Oh, this is from Jonathan G in New Jersey. How have you not done an episode of the unwatchables yet?
37:33Like the rewatchables, but for awful movies, categories would be parallel opposites. For example, most unwatchable sequence. What's age the worst? I guess those would stay the same Bradley Beal Award for which actor just wanted to keep getting them checks the George Lucas Award for milking a prequel or sequel the Jake DeLome Award for character which ruined every scene they were in just fucking drive by shooting at Jake I'm sure you'll come up with many more we need this so badly for Caligula I was thinking who lost the movie is funny and then would this movie have been better or worse with would this movie have been worse with Ryan Reynolds or Adam Driver that's a very you way of looking at it though I like Adam Driver the king of movies that make no money but Adam Driver rules win some games I'm a win loss record guy couple wins in there Ryan Reynolds and who then you like Ryan Reynolds too I don't know I don't like modern Ryan Reynolds but look when Deadpool came out did I like it yeah all right well who would be the would this movie have been worse with blank or blank this is tough this is brutal chris is like i don't know i have so many friends in the industry no that's not what i'm trying to think of i'm trying to think of like what well somebody who turns me off to a movie this is so is it like the rock and someone else the rock's good yeah the rock yeah the rock's good it's like the rock and would this have been the worst with the rock or vin diesel Yeah, that's, yeah.
39:08It's just fast six or whatever. Yeah, Vin Diesel and regarding Henry.
39:14Really good email from Samuel Kaplan. Says, first, my son and I really love the show. Shout out to the Kaplan boys. For several years, we've had a tradition of listening to it while we get bagels on the weekend. And most other times when we were driving, just the two of us. That's nice. That's a father-son bonding. Wanted to express our appreciation. Thank you. Second, wanted to suggest two categories. One is the Mark Holton, hey, it's Enrico Palazzo Award for the best contribution by a performer with two or fewer lines. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Man. I think that goes in flex and we just keep an eye on it for a while.
39:51It's like, is that like a smaller, even a smaller Dion Waiters contribution? Yeah. Well, I remember when we, I think I did Naked Gum with Kyle. Is that a Colin Gillespie Award? Well, I'd like the, hey, it's Enrico Palazzo Award because that guy had one line and it's the funniest line in the whole movie. So I think there's something there with that. And then he had... Oh, CR's going to fucking love this one. The other is the Rick Cicchetti Guard Mead Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as in God's Quenchill, but who probably had a spouse and kids who loved him.
40:27What movies? Oh my God. So he's the guy Carl kills, the security guard, to distract him from the Lakers game. that is so fucking funny hey what about the Lakers and Die Hard he's like hey what's going on in the Lakers game that guy has two lines just gets murdered Kareem too worthy two points that's a really good one yeah that's really good he probably had a spouse and kids who loved him the last couple of Stranger Things there's like 160 US military service people are murdered by children and it's there's no remarks upon them whatsoever. No funeral. It's like the worst military days in Shiloh.
41:07Yeah. And they're just like, a lot of questions about that. I'm going to put both of those in flex. Yeah, that's a good one. Mark Johnson said, I was listening to the Speed episode the other day and noticed toward the end, you basically spelled out the plot of The Hunt. I think the writers were listening. I don't know if this has already been pointed out to you, but you might produce some royalties. I have no recollection of this. The Hunt? Apparently, the movie The Hunt that came out in 2020, we gave the exact premise during the speed rewatchable speed. Yeah. We did speed. Like the, it was like the first time I'm trying to make the connection of how like we would have had like, I did.
41:41We must've gone on a tangent and come up with some sort of idea. Oh wow. And then three years later, the hunt. I don't know if I did that, but I know I created, um, the purge. Yes. The purge I created. I know for a fact, never cut it in the world. When did you create the purge? Kevin Wilds and I, I had this idea for, um, for, called leap year where every four years there are no laws or rules. Right. Two years later, the purge happened. Coincidence? Did they ever do a purge leap year? Did that ever happen? See, they did that. Then it's like, now I can sue. Yeah. New category from Peter DeWolf. The Phoebe Cates single-handedly putting young men through puberty award.
42:25Other winner, Lesha Cooper and the girl next door. And I wrote down, Apollonia, Linda Hamilton, Shannon Tweed, and Halle Berry would be four other ones. I really like this. I'm putting this in flex. My personal would be Sharon Stone and Basic Instinct. Yeah. Oh. Yeah, there's some good ones. Margot Robbie, Wolf, Wall Street. Yeah, we're going to keep an eye on this category. We'll start following it in the AAU tournament and see if there's something special there. This is a long email from Nicole D, but I'm doing it for Mallory because she listened to The Witness Rewatchables and had to share this story.
42:58She was a sophomore at Harvard in 1995, 96 range. Harrison Ford coming to campus because he won the Hasty Pudding. Guy in my dorm was on the stage who invited me to go to his date. Big Harrison Ford fan, blah, blah, blah. I'm walking in the after party after the Hasty Pudding show. Who should be walking in right at the same time as me, but Harrison Ford? Okay. Starts off well. It's super loud. So I go up to him and lean toward him and say, Mr. Ford, you're the cutest carpenter since Jesus. he can't hear what I say so he leans into me and puts his hand on the small of my back parentheses I'm literally dying thinking about it again hence the all caps and says excuse me so I lean toward his ear again and say again you're the cutest carpenter since Jesus and with his hand still on the small of my back all caps he gives me that Harrison Ford smile and says oh you're sweet and walks away and then she writes greatest moment of my life second only to my kids being born and now that I know he was a legendary stick man I can't believe what I missed out on smiley face huge fan of the show just a great email from Nicole D this should be your move at at Staples next time you go to a Lakers game and somebody's like Bill go right for the small back and then just go you're cute he's like I can't wait until Matt earlier hears that alright these are great this is from Todd Conrad this might be the best email in the bunch.
44:26He has category ideas. Buckle up, CR. The Dennis Peck Relationship Test Award. The ultimate fidelity test between your movie's romantic leads. Captured by Richard Gere's own Dennis Peck from Internal Affairs. Sure, John McClain might be able to hold on to Holly no matter what. But Dennis Peck is fucking Sally when Harry Burns is at work. On a scale of no thanks to I'm going to teach your wife how to come.
44:55We assess just how strong our romantic leads would realistically be when faced with the Peck Test. We got to do it for stuff like before Sundar. Don't leave her alone with that effect. If Julie Delphi runs into Richard Gere while Ethan Hawke is getting coffee. Yeah. I love the Peck Test so much. That's just great. And he keeps going. The Bill Paxton Game Over Man Game Over Award for Best Hysterical Outburst. That's from Aliens, which we haven't done. I got to say, Bill Paxton is the most suggested, can you name a category after Bill Paxton actor. I think he's just absolutely the most beloved non-A-plus lister.
45:32Oh, absolutely. In Rewatchables history. People love him. And then this looks like X location, but was definitely shot in Long Beach. Location scout award. And he writes, as a Long Beach resident, I'm tired of my beloved city being treated like Hollywood's side piece, blocking off all our streets without getting their flowers. Gone in 60 seconds. Lethal Weapon, Anchorman. and just a whole bunch of movies. It's Todd Conrad. The Dennis Peck relationship test. I can't wait. Next time we do a rom-com, we're bringing Dennis Peck. I'm just like running through Dennis Peck and Royal Tenenbaums. The notebook, he shows up.
46:12Notebook's over for 40 minutes.
46:17This is fucking Gosling gets back and it's like Dennis Peck. I built this fucking house for you. Heck walks out. Josh in Atlanta. He said, I think the best case for Cruz being able to do before sunrise, because we argued about that, whether Cruz could have been before sunrise. He says, Vanilla Sky. There's a crucial scene early in the movie where he meets Penelope Cruz's character at a party, stays up all night falling in love with her at the airport, doesn't sleep with her. He's so charismatic, and it's unlike any other romantic scene featuring him I can think of, so Cruz gets my vote. That's a really good point.
46:50Cruz is really good in that Vanilla Sky stretch where it's the most rom-com-y he is in a movie other than Jerry Maguire. And then Jerry Maguire is playing a maniac. Yeah. But I thought that was pretty strong. But yeah. He's young in business. But yeah, so did I change your vote for Before Sunrise? I don't remember what my vote was. I think we settled on Hanks. Oh, in that sense? Yeah, I think Hanks. But it definitely is worth thinking about. Vanilla Sky is a... an outlier. Caden D. He has two category ideas that could pop up in the flex section. The first is basically the anti-coach Finstock award.
47:30I call it the Mr. Miyagi. That advice actually sucks ass award for worst life lesson. Or advice that everyone in the movie takes at face value that sucks. He said, I feel pretty confident if my training consisted of wax on, wax off and I got in a fight, I would be brutally waxed off. In a lot of ways, like, have nothing in your life that you can't leave in 30 seconds is terrible advice and gets one of those guys killed. What is Finstock's actual advice? He has, in Teen Wolf, he says... Isn't it like you have to get 12 hours of sleep? Yeah, don't play cards with anybody who has a tattoo of a deck on their hand.
48:08Or no, who's named after a city. Or named after a city, and then... That's actually great. Whatever the three were. So, I think my suggestion is we tweet that to the coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award for best or worst advice. And then we could do worst advice in that category as well. I think that would work. Don't walk away from anything you can't leave in 30 seconds. Meanwhile, like Neil is like, like Val Kilmer gets shot. Neil's like, I got to go back and save. Yes. It's like, I thought you could walk away from anything in 30 seconds, except for your buddy. Then he said the other one, this is great.
48:42So again, this is Caden D. The second category suggestion, the Indiana Jones. why is everyone ignoring the fact that this guy definitely smells like wide open ass award for the person in the movie who stinks as it conspicuously goes along and unnoticed and he says watching raiders again marion is totally down to hook up with india and the ship after they leave egypt why he's filthy he's been shot at chased live in the desert abandoned a tomb covered in gasoline sweaty as hell no luggage beyond his satchel even if we give him the benefit the doubt and assume his satchel exclusively has changes of underwear, this dude still smells like wide open ass.
49:19It's also still like the 1930s or 40s then. Oh, yeah. Marion's just like, what the hell I'm in and what world? So, I feel like in the 1900s and even pre-1950s, I think body odor was much more accepted and appreciated. Oh, yeah. I think it's probably like you're just nose blind. You know what I mean? Everyone's done. Napoleon used to tell his ladies, like, don't shower for three weeks before I'm back from war and shit like that. He did? Yeah. Where'd you pull that one from? I'm a Napoleon guy. What? Are you a Napoleon guy? My mom told me that once and it stuck with me for some reason. Interesting.
49:53She loves Napoleon. But I was thinking... You never forgot it. This is... I think this is... So Napoleon kind of popularized that kink. I think body odor, people are just fine with people being stinky. Yeah. And then that switched around the 60s. When you watch Unforgiven, like there's no, those guys had like one bath a month. Yeah. Well, so I was thinking. Everybody in Tombstone? Yeah. Reeked. But in the modern era, a little different. Yeah. Your nose palate's a little more sensitive. Could this be the David Morrison proof of life award? Oh, right. They rescue him at the end of proof of life.
50:31Meg Ryan's husband, even though she's sleeping with Russell Crowe, even though we don't see the scene, but we know it. And she sees him at the end, she's hugging him. he's been in a fucking what Venezuelan jungle yeah for like two months wearing the same clothes he's got to absolutely stink yeah so wouldn't it be like hey good to see ya let's get you washed up yeah let's do I'll give you a hug later after your shower is that movie is it Venezuela uh I thought it was Colombia yeah Colombia I've only seen it 20 times I don't know where it's located I'm gonna put that in the flex so I'll test it out okay Kyler this is Craig's big award Kyler Dennis I sent this to Craig in advance I know you guys are always kicking around new category ideas.
51:11In honor of Craig Horlbeck's love of shorter movies. I love that sign near Epitaph. Sure, yeah. What are your fantasy football things on your Epitaph? What are your things that you're just like, I'm in on blank? Anything? Aaron Rodgers. Like receiver? Aaron Rodgers? Who else? Guys that I'm just always in on? Yeah, or qualities, traits, things. I like guys who are freak athletes who run a slow 40. I always want to bet on those guys. There you go. Well, he calls this Craig Horlbeck's Century Club Award. Would this movie be better if it was 100 minutes? The answer is yes to most movies. He said the category works in three ways.
51:46Movies that, like After Hours, that come in right at 97 minutes, so they automatically qualify. Movies too long, that could be better if you cut them down to 100 minutes, like Blues Brothers, it was 133 minutes, replacements 118. Or movies too short, sometimes you'll say, I actually could have used a couple more scenes. Yeah, like Truman Show, I thought, 10 more minutes. Halloween 4 88 minutes yeah Big Daddy 93 sure thing I could have had 10 more minutes of sure thing could have used a lot more Halloween 4 yeah so I I'm gonna workshop what he said there if everything is based off the Horvath scale of 100 minutes well it's like too short too long just right yeah yeah so you Horvath scale if something's 93 but you thought it should have been 98 like Horvath scale would have gone plus 5 on that yeah it's more for movies like Tin Cup that are 2 hours and 15 minutes and could be 100.
52:37Horlbeck scale, minus 28. Sure. Have you seen anything recently in theaters that you were like, that was just 15 minutes too long? Every movie. Marty Supreme, I think, could have been 15, 20 minutes shorter. Middle of Marty Supreme, I feel like, could have been tighter. That movie's like two and a half hours. That is not the type of movie that needs to be two and a half hours. The middle of that movie's fat. Like, the Odyssey should be two hours and 40 minutes. It's tough because Marty Supreme is such like a Jenga tower that, like, even, I was thinking when I saw it, like, if you took... I really liked it.
53:03If you took the dog, the dog stuff, run out you're probably fine but I and I actually think the movie doesn't but it just matters so much for Marty and Rachel I don't know yeah it'd be funny if we're criticizing Marty Supreme and then Sean just came bursting in Kool-Aid man's in hold on guys you guys can take Dante Moore from me but you can't take Marty Supreme fuck this I like Marty Supreme a lot but yeah I think it was like two hours and 25 minutes I loved it yeah so Horlbeck's scale plus 35 saying it's 35 too long maybe 15 or 20 but yeah is the premise that all movies should be 100 minutes?
53:38Most. Or most rewatched movies? Like, Lord of the Rings should not be 100 minutes. I understand why that needs to be as long as it is. So maybe there are exceptions where you're like ineligible for a Horvath scare. Like, Marty Supreme ineligible. I see. Marty Supreme is eligible. But it's the epics. The movies that are trying to tell a grander story, those big adaptations, those I understand a little bit more than like a rom-com that's two hours and 20 minutes. And a movie that's long that doesn't register on the Horvath scale should almost be get bonus points. Sure. Like the first Matrix, you would not, it's pretty long.
54:11You wouldn't take away a second. Like whatever Dark Knight is, I'm good with it. You know what I mean? I like putting this right before Roger's review. The time of the movie. Yeah. We could just put it right there. Do you have opinions on that? Do you ever think, like do you care when you see a movie two hours and 40 minutes versus an hour and 40? See an hour and 40. I know. It's like Hamnet. Could have gone longer. I haven't seen Hamnet. I'm trying to think. In the movie theater, like when you look up a runtime, does that matter to you at all? Yeah, it does. Especially when it's like an action movie or a comic book movie.
54:44I just assume everything's 220 now. Yeah. I'm like pleasantly surprised if we're at 105 minutes for a movie. That I think has like become an issue where if you factor in getting to the movie theater in the half hour of trailers, like you're looking at like a four hour excursion, there are no five o 'clockers. You cannot step into a movie theater, watch a 90 minute movie and be home for dinner. yeah I just also think there's something to be said about when you have the parameters of hey you gotta make this movie in less than 100 minutes or 110 minutes you are forced to make a movie better and tighter and be more creative to get your point across instead if they were like oh Midnight Run can be 2 hours and 40 minutes it would be a worse movie yes limitless 105 minutes there you go number 16 Taken 88 yep Taken's like you're surprised it's ending how long is the Devil Wears product I think that's a little longer.
55:35I think that's closer. It can't be too long though. Right. I can look that up right now. Um, it's, it's, I'm going to say less than two hours. Cause it has to fit into that TBS. Hour 49. Yeah. Cause they needed to fit it in the two hour window to sell ads on, on cable. And now obviously on streaming, it doesn't really matter. I like the Horlbeck scale. Josh Dolgen. I hope I say it's either Dolgen or Dolgen. I truly believe Bill and Vans takedown of Rose from Titanic is the greatest podcast segment of all time. It's not, might not be wrong. It's a pretty great segment. In the spirit of that legendary 10 minutes, I'd like to nominate a new category.
56:13The Rose from Titanic Award for the character who underrated sucks. I don't know if there's enough movies with this, but it might, it could be in a flex. This actually might be a way to spice what's aged the worst up a little bit. Throw it in there? Yeah. Yeah. Because what's aged the worst is hard. Heat. Do we need the Natalie Portman character? Well, we talk about that a lot. Do we need that whole subplot with the daughter? Where does it go? Is it they quietly suck or we don't need them in the movie? It's the easiest cut in the movie, right? This is like the Pam from The Office thing that Pam actually kind of sucked.
56:48If you think back on who she was towards Jim the entire show. She wasn't a great partner. Holding him back from sports agent work. Yeah. he could have been on game over now with Max Kellerman yeah if it wasn't for Pam showing him her dumb drawings Justin Pagano writes in please add the Robert Towne Award for overblown film school English major interpretation of the film then give your overreading version of the movie's plot bonus points of view include snooty phrases like man struggle verse blank I just did a direct attack on fantasy I don't know why I think on all of us we're big Bob Towne guys yeah we like Bob Towne This is from Jay Tate.
57:28He says, Can we add the What a Dick Move Award for a scene in the movie that makes you so mad it makes you say, why the hell did they do that? Like the time in Days of Confused when Hirschfelder's friends pulled him away from making out with the girl at the junior high dance only for him to get beat with a paddle by Ben Affleck. Hold that thought. Andrew Katz writes in, the Ted Cruz versus Mitch McConnell aka Most Punchable Character Award. Basically, nobody likes these guys. The word would be given to the character who isn't necessarily the villain but definitely needs to be punched in the face.
57:57Take school ties. Matt Damon is clearly the main villain. Yeah. But I've always wanted to punch Anthony Rapp and his anti-Semitic Coke bottle glasses in the face the most. Or maybe the jerk French teacher. If you're afraid of getting too political, feel free to remove Ted and Mitch from the name. You could use Bill Lambert, Novak Djokovic, or Tonya Harding. I do like the idea of I just want to punch that character in the face. They're not quite the villains, but they're fucking annoying. Yeah. But I don't know if it comes up enough. So I was thinking Dead Poets Society, the guy who sells out Mr.
58:32Keating, Cameron. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think he's going to do to you, Nwanda?
58:40Here we go, CR. The Dana Wheeler Nicholson Award. Yeah. AKA the Deborah Cara Inger Award for an actress who was great in a specific movie and just should have had a much bigger career. Previous winners, Dana Wheeler Nicholson, Deborah Cara Unger. Mia Sarah, Diana Venora, and Virginia Madsen. It's from Eric S. That's the Mia Sarah award to me. Yeah. I'm still outraged that we didn't have five more Mia Sarah movies. And do we ever get an explanation about what the deal was there? I can't remember. Ferris Bueller's girlfriend. You saw Ferris Bueller. Yeah. Fantastic. Everyone was in love with her.
59:13Yeah. Barely saw her again for the next five years. Yeah. I don't mind the Mia Sarah award. I think it's like, it's a flex. You'll know it when you see it. Yeah. Throw it in there. Oh boy. Ted from Milwaukee The new category I propose Is the Deshaun Jackson Award For rewatchable movies who drop the ball On the one yard line and are therefore not great movies Flex category Best example is The Running Man We were denied an epic showdown Between Ben Richards and Captain Freedom He's talking about the old Running Man A showdown between Schwarzenegger and Ventura Would have been a major deal in 87 And would have elevated the movie's cultural cachet As they went into politics Instead, we get an unnecessarily moral and questionable dynamo scene.
59:57Never get to see Jesse Ventura fight him. It's Ted from Milwaukee. I don't think it happens enough times to be a fight's category, but I like the spirit of it. Like, I thought I was getting this and you didn't give it to me. Yeah, I feel like anecdotally, I can't think of a movie specifically. We've done plenty of rewatchables where we're like, and then it kind of falls apart in the last half hour or something like that. But I just can't think of one off the top of my head. that just the last thing fucks it up. I actually, I mean, I think I mentioned Sunshine, like that's a really good example of a movie that drops the ball on the 10-yard line.
1:00:32House of Dynamite? That's a great one. We'd never do that. See, the problem is most of the movies we wouldn't do in the rewatch was because the ending sucked. So keep an eye on that one. Alright, we'll take one more break and then I can't wait for this next one. Up now you buy a la carte. And it's at home.
1:01:14All right. It's not officially a rewatchable mailbag until we antagonize CR. This is from Sam from DC who wants us to create the, I can't believe Carl Anthony Towns had a better career than Joel Embiid and Ward. What? For when two actors in a film end up with career trajectories radically different from what their early works would have suggested. And then he said, I do believe that Towns will end up with a better career than Embiid.
1:01:42What a fucking bullshit blast. It's from DC. He's just angry. He's angry about the Trey Johnson pick. I was thinking though this would have been a good one for Davoris Prada ironically Emily Blunt and Anne Hathaway sure yeah where you never would have expected Anne Hathaway's had a good career but Emily Blunt became I think a bigger star of her I wouldn't have guessed that when I saw the movie yeah a little like the Carl Townsend B draft right Robert Sean Leonard in Dead Poets versus like Josh Charles I don't think you would have guessed Josh Charles would still be the one yeah like leading TV shows over Robert Sean Leonard I don't know I thought that was a good one, though.
1:02:18Yeah, that was good. I also like that it made CR mad. I'm trying to think of, like when you were watching Stand By Me, obviously we lost over Phoenix, but like, would you have guessed that either any of the other kids in that movie would have had bigger careers? Like Jerry O 'Connell. Jerry O 'Connell ended up with the most relevant of all the careers. Yeah, you would not have guessed that. Mitchell wants us to change Cruz versus Hanks and add Denzel. And then wants us to go back and re-litigate all the ones we've already done and go with Denzel. That seemed really complicated. If we ever are like, we don't have an episode this week, I guess we could do that.
1:02:53I like adding Denzel for 2026. Okay. You don't like it? No. You love Cruz versus Hanks? I do, yeah. There's something special about Cruz versus Hanks. Like, it being either or, like a binary question to me is much better. Is there anyone Denzel could compete against? Because we also talked about Pacino versus De Niro, too. you love Cruz vs. Hanks for you is like Bird vs. Magic Brady vs. Manning it's never a boring conversation no I don't know you can do Denzel Because there's one's the goofy personable kind and the other person is just the like, you're an alien, but you're perfect. You know, the more we talk this out, Denzel's also, every movie's better with Denzel.
1:03:35Like it almost like ruins the category. There's certain ones. There was one, I think, I can't remember. He talked, he was talking with Jamie Foxx once and he was like, I passed on seven. And that's the one I like regret. And I'm like, Denzel Washington's seven. It's like Citizen Kane. You know, like it's like, I can't imagine how fucking good that movie would be with Denzel Washington. Should we add more this or that, guys? Wasn't there a female one we were going to do? We tried out the five Jennifers, and it just didn't really work. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You could do like Pitt or Leo. Blunt or Hathaway?
1:04:08Yeah. That's pretty good. Everybody loves Emily Blunt, though. You couldn't do Meryl Streep versus everybody because she kills everybody. And we can never crack this one. Another Justin Pagano email, unless I accidentally wrote the name thing or copy-pasted it wrong twice. He said he was in high school and Project X came out and Kid Gudi was a big deal for him. But our needle drop category has to be named after Bohemian Rhapsody in Wayne's World. It's the most electrifying needle drop of any rewatchable movie as evidenced by the fact that the scene won a number of categories when he did the episode.
1:04:43Love the show. I think it's funny that Project X is a category. Look, the scene in Wayne's World doesn't make me want to do ecstasy. So I'm going to stick with Project X. Yeah, I don't think we're moving. Chris A. has a really interesting idea for theme month. He's a long-time reader, few-time writer, semi-long-time listener. I was wondering if you would have a one-for-me-only month, a month where Bill, then Chris, then Sean, then Van choose the movie and make the other three C movies they haven't seen. So Chris would have to watch Inside Moves, Bill would have to be part of the re-big Lebowski.
1:05:25Sean would have you do some Igmar Bergman thing. And Van would make everyone watch the toy. The three of you should just each pick a different Lord of the Rings. I know. And make him watch the trilogy. Van said if it's a five-week month, Valor would be great. Thank you and have a nice day. So that'd be Yankee Christmas Swap Month. That's great. That's good. We could do that next December. I like that idea. But you have to do it though. You can't be like, I'm sick this week. I can't do Fellowship of the Ring. I'd have to do any movie. That would be the rule. So if we did four... That can be the next fantasy football punishment.
1:06:00Well, the funniest thing is Van would take it way too seriously and spend ten weeks trying to figure out the movie and asking people on Twitter. And then he'd probably land at the toy. That's where it would end up. Scott Komich. Some hurtful stuff in this email. I've tried to like Miami Vice, but I can't do it. Bad acting, confusing pot, horrible dialogue, and bad casting. Gong Li, her character had a cousin that was the harbormaster in Havana. How about a Latin actress or a Cuban one? Next, it has some of the worst dialogue I can remember in a movie. Gong Li, how fast does that go? Feral, serious, low, mumbling voice.
1:06:42It goes very fast. What do you like to drink? Serious, low, mumbling voice. I'm a fiend for mojitos. Give me a break. you can only leave people so close to the water. They don't want to drink. It's up to them. He said, Bill, in order for you and Sierra to prove your love for this movie, for the next month, anytime anyone asks for you what you want to drink, mumble in a very serious low voice, I'm a fiend from Mojitos. We already do that. Yeah, it was like he absolutely doesn't know us. What's in that cup right now? He did that on New Year's Eve. Finally, Crockett was frisked before going into the meeting and yet somehow he smuggled in a grenade.
1:07:16Was it up his ass? Those are his Miami Vice nitpicks. Then he goes, Roy Hobbs hits the final home run in the natural. They show him rounding second base while he'll be showering. Showered in sparks from the blown out lights. Were the fans killed, not covered? That was his nitpick for there. This guy's got a lot of nitpicks. This is the best one, though. In Hereditary, the oldest son gets possessed when the mother cuts off her own head. The demon floats through the air and lands in the kid. Why didn't the demon possess him when he was driving the car and the little kid got decapitated? Where was the demon hanging out?
1:07:48between the time when the girl was killed and it possessed Toni Collette's character. And why did they keep the car? Wouldn't the inside and outside of the car be covered in blood? Did they just get it steam cleaned and keep driving it? That's the most fucked up thing about this movie. I think they may have been a multi-car household. I don't, you know, I think Gabriel Byrne and Toni Collette, like they were, they each had their own vehicle. I'm selling the car immediately or just burning a bit. What's the car facts on that? Yeah. History. Do you have to disclose decapitation? One decapitation.
1:08:18Does Decapitation and the Carfax report? I don't think you have to go specifically what the accident was, but that was definitely an accident. I think Payman is being summoned for three quarters of that movie, right? Or even for most of her life. But he's watching the Avalanche game. That's right. He's like their fucking power play. It's the playoffs, man. Payman's growing a playoff beard. Neil R. writes, I love the Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth DVD commentary category. along those lines for 2026. How about the Donald Trump truth social post review of the movie? It'd be really funny to hear CR's Trump take on any movie.
1:08:58Any humor to get us through the next few years would be hopeful. I'm not against this. I need something to replace Wayne. I think we got to put Wayne on ice for a little while. Wayne, I think we took it as far as it can go. It's like, I think it's like the tush push, you know? It was really cool for a while and now everybody's just a little tired. I think we peaked when you told Glenn Powell about it and he had no idea what you were doing. He was like, that's really cool. And I'm like, but if you don't know what it is, there's no way you think it's cool. Donald Trump, True Social. He's good. Yeah, that's good.
1:09:32What was the one we did on F1? Terrible movie. Hated the race car scenes. JP should have won. That is all. Amanda S. I'll skip that one, actually. She had a Jim Cotta email that she thought, was a fever dream when she was 12 and didn't know it was an actual movie and then it turned out it was. So I'm glad I was hoping to help her. Padraic. I think I pronounced that correctly. P-A-D-R-A-I-C. Padraic? Padraic. Padraic? I think. Looking at the list of films you're showing over the weekend, I think this was the Boston weekend, gave me a flex category idea. Most scalable insult. Now get your fucking chime box.
1:10:15Yeah. I'm the guy that does his job. You must be the other guy. Well, the world needs plenty of bartenders. I drink your milkshake. There's lots of potential here. Excited to hear Sean tell CR to get his fucking shine box on stage down since the sports guy cartoons. So this guy, Dave Panko from Down Under, which I assume is Australia, he suggested the Jack Waltz, Dago, Guinea, Wap, Greaseball, Goombo, Kraut, Nick, Friend Award for best insult. I do think there's a best insult award we could put in there. Who is that named after? I like the Jack Waltz award. Well, let me tell you something, my...
1:10:52My crowd, my friends. I like this, though. Like, best insult that you could actually just bring into your real-life situation. Yeah, so probably not your mother sucks cocks in hell. That one wouldn't qualify. No, that's not a good one. Shinebox is still probably the best. Go get your fucking Shinebox. That's a good idea. Because he leads it up. Like, he really, like, works it to get to the... Because then there's like a separate award that would be for a line from this movie that has entered the pop culture lexicon. I don't know what that would be necessarily, but... Maybe it's the Billy Bat...
1:11:22The kind of thing you hear Rich Eisen say a lot. You know what I mean? So maybe it's the Billy Batts Jack Waltz Award for best insult. Best scalable insult in the movie. Yes. I like that. Dave Penko also suggests the Tone Loke Slick Ain't No Joke Award for most ridiculous connecting of the dots. I don't know what that's referencing. It's fucking Heat. And it is really... Called everybody Slick, and they're like, I know who that is. The last two times I've seen Heat, I was like, this is so fucked up that they like, the entire thing is hinged on him saying Slick and him being like, run Slick through the database as an alien.
1:12:02Maybe that could be the for Heat where we just shit on Heat for like an hour and a half, all the things that's wrong with it. He also suggests the Michael Corleone In My Home Award for Unexpected Raised Volume? Yeah. Let's just go to Pacino all the time. Where my children sleep and play. Grant McPhee said, My category suggestion is the Michael Myers Shoot Him Again Award. The scene that makes the audience feel is that they're actually in the movie themselves interacting and reacting to the characters named after the scene in 78 Halloween when Dr. Loomis shoots Michael Myers. And one of the audience members stood up and yelled out, Shoot Him Again!
1:12:42There's a video of that. It's from Grant in London, Ontario, Canada. I don't know if that's good enough for a flex, but I enjoyed it. And then Pat Grover wrote in, seeing as you shoehorn a Michael Myers reference into every single one of your BS pods and rewatchables, maybe make it a new category. Whether it's Giannis being like Michael Myers or you finding a way to compare Before Sunrise to Michael Myers, you always find a way to squeeze it in unnecessarily. So the new category could be, where could Michael Myers be shoehorned in this film or pod? Wait, you already do this pretty much anyway, right?
1:13:14Well, now you're just begging him to bring Dennis Peck up. It's a good Peck rover. Like, stick in it. Fine, Michael Myers is retired for Dennis Peck. Is it no more Dennis Peck in? Myers out. Going to replace the Halloween 4 with Dennis Peck.
1:13:32Doug Evans acknowledges that Tom Cruise is the best runner in action movies, as I think we all do. Who's the best runner for comedy movies, he asks. And he'd like to nominate Michael J. Fox for running, sliding, falling on Slick 4s and Teen Wolf, racy, jumping, falling on an office chase and Seeker to My Success, and multiple Back to the Futures. Is he the comedy movie running goat? Was the goal to be funny or good at running? Yeah. He was really good at the slides where he'd be like coming around the corner and he would like skid like a motorcycle. Yeah. I think being really small helped him like with the running scenes because he's very low to the ground.
1:14:10They do some... There's some good sliding while running around the corner in Breakfast Club, too. Oh, yeah. They, like, slide across the hallway, basically. That's good. Ali Sheedy and Emilio Estevez do that. Michael Cera in Superbad has got a great run. Oh, my God. Fastest kid alive. His form, he's kind of doing a cruise impression. Not bad. Fastest kid alive. I'm putting something... I'll add that to the running flex. Walker G says, please do Dark Knight Rises if only as an excuse to do Collinsworth impressions of Bane blowing up the stadium. Oh, Mike. Beat is feeling it right here, Mike. You know, this city's been crying out for a new stadium, Mike.
1:14:49They're going to get it. This is one way to blow up a stadium, Mike. Taxpayers are going to have a tough pill to swallow building a new one. John B. from Malden. He has an idea for the town, too. Still holding out hope for this because Doug McRae is alive at the end of the movie in the Florida Keys. He thinks it should be something with the Southie and the Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade. Grown-up Shine, now working for a corrupt Southie politician who's cracking down on crime, wants to have a political fundraiser on Parade Day in Castle Island to raise money for a mayoral run. She organizes a crew to rip it off.
1:15:26But the plan guy, Butchie Coughlin, nephew of Jim, gets arrested. She shows up on Claire's door and says, I need to get in touch with them. I know you know what I mean. Doug comes back. The heist is spearheaded by Shine. Claire and Doug. Claire? Yeah, Claire's involved. She's crossed over. It's like fast forward. Paul Walker is just on the bad guys team all of a sudden. Comes together for a climactic, slow-moving chase through the streets of South. They're surrounded by shit-faced boss, the 20-somethings, maybe a boat scene. Just workshopping it. There's something there with the kids of the town.
1:16:01Have you ever asked Affleck about Town 2? Doesn't seem like it's high on his agenda list. Yeah. Yeah. so we're getting heat too we think we are yeah Devil Wears Prada 2 is coming out this year is there listen the town 2 would make 200 million dollars it's just a fucking fact yeah I mean like 200 million dollars is the floor we're also in the last couple of innings before while those guys can still realistically do that right like Ham could still be an FBI agent like they could still do all that Ham's like a retired FBI agent so I agree with John B. from Malden that shine is the key to the town 2 because shine how old is she in town she's like a little kid she's like three yeah so now she town came out in 2010 you're making this for 2027 so she'd be like 20 yeah maybe she's working like at a strip joint in the saugas sydney sweeney yeah sydney sweeney too old oh okay maybe you're just grabbing anyone from landman okay whoever the oh yeah the stripper physical therapist worked with Sam Elliott last night?
1:17:05Last night? Just signed her. Andy and I talked about that for like 35 minutes. One of the best ideas I've ever had. I was like, did I have a stroke and miss three scenes? How did that happen? Yeah, I don't know. What's on the big board of sequels you would actually want to get made that you would go see? Town 2. That's number one? Draft pick? Is Heat 2 number one? We're getting Heat 2. I'm too scared of Heat 2 because it's too mean. Heat 2 is too meaningful to us. Is there anywhere you were like, I actually don't care. I would want them to make this and I would go see it happily. I like the town too because the premise of I just don't think it's as good without Renner.
1:17:41I think Renner makes that movie. Well, this is the problem we had with Den of Thieves too. Yeah. Because we lost Pablo. And 50. And we lost 50 and it wasn't the same movie. But I think this is where Damon comes in. Well, isn't that basically... Damon's still pissed that he wasn't in the town. So Damon's in as like Jem's brother. Bem. Yeah. Johnny. Yeah. And they bring Doug. I think Doug coming back from the Keys after 15 years is just a great premise for anything. Him having to extract Shine. Maybe Shine turns out to be his kid. Something there. I like... Boston's changed too. Like they could do Southie.
1:18:21They could move stuff from Charlestown to Southie, which would matter. Jason Peters says, why don't you all just do a theme month called Red October? All the movies could be Russian themed as well. Hunt for Red October, Red Dawn, Moscow and the Hudson, Bridges, Spies, and Reds. I don't know about Hunt for Red October. Should we do that one? Keep going. Red Dawn, that's good. Moscow and the Hudson's not good enough. If we did Moscow Month and we didn't do Hunt for Red October, I'd quit. Reds would be interesting. I'm not sure that's a rewatchable movie. It's a great movie. It's a long-ass movie.
1:18:55It would be really cool. If you wanted to do... Reds would be fun for the research and the dialogue about making the movie. And also just like... Hackman in it and stuff. Nicholson. Yeah. I mean, I think it would be fun to do the two-cassetter, like the movies that are like, we used to be in two cassettes when you would rent them from the video store. Oh, yeah. And it would be fun to do like that. Prince of the City was like that. Well, could it just be four movies that have red in it? Red Dawn, Red October, Reds, and then a fourth red? Red Eye? Kristoff Krzyzewski's Three Colors Red. anything with red I grabbed it Jake Curley this is good watching Goodfellas last night notice Pauly is two completely different people before and after Henry gets pinched as a kid goes from barely audible grim reaper mob boss to gregarious wise guy yelling down the steps you popped your cherry it's as if they totally rewrote his character mid movie hence the new category the Pauly Award for the writers definitely rewrote this character in the middle of the filming.
1:20:02The whole thing is it's Henry's perception of Paulie changes. It's not Paulie changing. I agree. I was trying to think of other examples of a character getting rewritten. That happens way more on TV. Yeah. Yeah. No question. Especially with the big prestige shows. Yeah, where you can tell all of a sudden... I mean, this is more of a continuation of the character, but for instance, Jesse Pinkman, legendarily, was not supposed to make it that far in Breaking Bad. And I think they continued to iterate his character. I don't know if you have a Stranger Things example you want to give us for 12 hours.
1:20:39I mean, Maya Hawke was like a good, well-written character for that first season she was in, and then they kind of just reduced her to saying punchlines. Or just explaining what the hell was going on all the time. Yeah, she just became like, he's right behind me, isn't he? Person for the last two seasons. Did she help bring down Velcro? They all did, all 12 of them. Yeah. Bo Pollock from Albany. We have two Bows? Bob Pollock, I'm sorry. As the credits roll in the classic film... Two guys from Albany? Yeah, that is weird. As the credits begin to roll in the classic film Roadhouse, Dalton sprints naked across the lawn and dives into the pond with an also-naked Kelly Lynch.
1:21:21Yeah. I've seen Roadhouse a million times, but only recently noticed a third person sitting in the grass. What? Dalton's under skinny dipping. Is there a photo? after rewinding and slowing down the replay several times, my best guess is it's Jeff Healy from the double deuce band, the blind musician. Oh, if this is true, what level of awkward and inappropriate insane is it that Dalton and doc are not just nude, but clearly about to have sex in front of a blind man sitting on the shore. Where is this Rick and out of nowhere, what the hell minor details. So do you think that that scene is from like the middle of the movie and they just cut it and repurposed it as like a credit sequence?
1:21:58we're gonna have to for social media go find the end of that clip and cut it over that's the fucking funniest thing I've ever heard is just like you could make the argument that with the skinny dip it's like it's not gonna make a difference to this guy yeah but I mean his ears still work she's like she's like he's right there it's like he's fine he can't see what a pull what a Jesus pretty good TJ Zerbonia writes in the morning after their crazy hangover night they go to the best little chapel and they meet Eddie before they leave he says Stu ordered the deluxe package and brings out multiple boxes of merchandise branded with their wedding pictures in what world am I supposed to believe Eddie has access to a print fulfillment merchandise center that can fill an order that fast they get married at 3am they're back 2pm latest there's no way it'd be ready to pick up even if Eddie does all his printing in house there's still no way to have all that merchandise done that quick and if you do it yourself why would a wedding chapel have the world's quickest fulfillment center sitting in the back it would be made way more profitable than marrying drunk people made me think do we need a category in picking nits called the mega nitpick like a nitpick that just is almost like the whammy of the category yeah it's like such a nitpick yeah it almost has to be addressed yeah the mega nit sure the mega nit this is pretty good how does he get all those photos ready in seven hours yeah it's a great call I mean there's other problems with that movie including how did they get a tiger into the room and Yeah.
1:23:27How did they get the tiger away from Mike Tyson's house? And how did all this stuff happen in five hours? And also like just like Justin Barthed being on the roof. Had they not realized who was on the roof. Yeah, it would have just, the security door would have been cracked. There's a lot of nitpicks in this movie, but I thought that was pretty good. Mac, good work guys, he says. Listen to almost every show. Bill's line about the worst position to discover your wife cheating in almost caused a 10 car pileup for me. I've seen a heap of movies I otherwise would not have watched because of the show.
1:23:57Was that from Internal Affairs? What was that from? Wasn't it like doggy style? No, but what was the movie we were talking about that you broke that out? Body Double. Body Double. He walked in on the girl riding some guy in his bedroom. And I was like, easily, I thought, I said doggy style would probably be worse. I think I may have said doggy style, but the guy's wearing a t-shirt. And if I didn't, I'd like to say it now. because I was thinking about how Billy Bob always wears a t-shirt and land me. He's 70. Yeah. Well, Mac wants to suggest a new category called Dorfler's Door from Midnight Run.
1:24:41Named after the scene where Marvin lays Jack out with the driver's door. The category is on a scale of 1 to 10. How much would that stunt, punch, kick, whatever, have hurt in real life? He thinks Dorfler's Door is a 9. Mm-hmm. I thought this was great. any bar fight scene in a movie would just be guys dying on the floor. Yeah, we could do like which stunts would kill you. The amount of times guys get hit with chairs or bar stools or like fall through tables and they get like glassed. Well, even Beverly Hills Cop, they throw Axel through the window when he's visiting Victor Maitland. There's a lot of people getting thrown through walls.
1:25:15That would be put you in the hospital. I actually, I don't even know. I mean, I would have to see if Jackass has done this. I just, getting thrown through a window seems like the fucking worst thing in the whole world. Yeah. Because then you just also land on a pile of glass. I like this as a flex. I think the daughter in Hereditary is probably a 15 out of 10. The decapitation. That's probably the highest ceiling. But that actually, she does get injured. You have to pick somebody who lives. It's got to be like you get hit with a car door, and then you're like, oh, my jaw hurts. So she lived, right?
1:25:45Good point. She didn't have a head anymore. Yeah. That's right. Dorfler's door is good, though. Reggie Hammond, too, with Luther. When he slams the door into Luther, Luther's running. Luther! It's like whenever there's a movie where like a guy gets hit in the back of the head with like a frying pan, you're like, that guy might die. Yeah. You can't survive a baseball bat. Everything that the guys go through in Home Alone. Oh my God. The paint cans swinging down. Yeah, the bricks. Dave Brown, big fan since 2017. Recently watched End of Thieves for the Redot. Said we discussed the lady eating the days old Chinese food saying it's not that bad.
1:26:19I'm pretty sure that lady was in London at the bar at the end of the movie. my takeaway is she was on Ice Cube's crew Ice Cube Jr.'s crew and that's how we knew she wrote her Chinese that day and was involved in the escape oh interesting my next rewatch I think he's probably right I think there's a bunch of like random guys yeah yeah yeah Justin from DC huge fan of The Ringer and the rewatchable since its inception he has some categories for us including the Ben Affleck What the Fuck Was I Thinking award for the actor or actress that retroactively regretted signing on for the movie you're watching like Ben and G Lee, Bruce Willis and Call Her Night.
1:26:56The problem is we don't do a lot of these movies. I like the spirit of it. He wants us to just really do the Hans Gruber scale for every bad guy, which we've done in multiple ones. Kyle and I do this. The paycheck movie, essentially? I think it would be more just like a huge mistake. It took me a while to shake that one off. Well, the Hans Gruber scale we should just do. Anytime there's a villain, Hans is a 10. The Tom cruise award did this movie need a running scene and it feels like a reach the chris coughlin award named after blake live in the town for would you throw it all away for this woman he lists angel and jolie mr and mrs smith margot robbie wolf of wall street nia long and the best man and then cr would have ed falco and copland and ashley judd and heat and ashley judd and heat um the chris coughlin award who should that award be named after i like the idea of i would throw my life away for this award.
1:27:50For this lady award. The Edie Falco is probably the funniest. I just think it's like a deep pull, but yeah. Link Lively is good though. I still remember coming out of the Copland rewatchables and just be like, that was our best episode ever. You guys were just like, alright. The Chris Coughlin award. Yeah. Mila Kunis and Forgetting Sarah Marshall would be mine. That's a great one. Yeah. She was so great. But the thing is that I just want to say there's got to be an edge of danger. She's dangerous, yeah. It's got to be like she's going to fuck your life up. Like Rebecca DiMornay risky business stuff.
1:28:25Yeah, yeah. It's a huge mistake. You know it. Okay. But like Edie Falco chain smoking with explosives in a duffel bag but you're like whatever you want to do next. Good one. Or Linda Fiorentino in After Hours was another one. Oh, fuck yes. Come on. Yeah. We'll come up with the right version but we're adding some sort of a throw your life away. Alicia Vikander as the ex machina robot. That's a really good one.
1:28:51This will be CR's favorite email. It's from Zed. I'm going to guess that's not his real name. Zed is dead. I work in the set decoration department, and given the nature of my job, I've been thinking of the Leon Vitale Most Fucked Up Day on Set Award, named after Stanley Kubrick's longtime personal assistant. The category could have simple answers based on what we know from the press, like Shelley Duvall doing a million takes in The Shining, but I would also ask deeper questions. Like who had to chase down and throw back Tom Cruise's terrible pitches in A Few Good Men? What poor dancing coach had to work with Pacino doing the tango instead of a woman?
1:29:27And most important, who had to keep cleaning Miggs' load off Jodie Foster's face? Heads out the lips. I think Jodie Foster had the worst day. It would be a category that gives a quick salute to the presumed PA, customer, prop person, and so on that had to keep on trucking through a tough one. Worst day on set is really good. Where's the end set I think is good. The Leon Vitale, I don't know if that's too deep cut. Maybe the Silence of the Lambs production crew member. I don't know. But there's something there with that. The guy in Seven who had to work with the sloth dude. Oh, yeah.
1:30:03New category from Darren. Vincent Hanna, which actor's performance is better explained by the character being high on cocaine the entire movie? And he suggests Doc Brown and Back to the Future. jakey simmons jk simmons whiplash tom cruise magnolia dana day lawrence and there will be blood and then he said john heard and big this guy was a little too amped up for those sales meetings he's making 450k a year for churning out some useless product design of course he was doing blow um why wasn't tom hanks pulled in the room and offered some at one point um i mean it's another heat category it's also funny if you just apply that to people that they're clearly not on cocaine better than coffee so i'm gonna skip a couple here ah this one's pretty funny though philip sanford said in 2010 he was dating a girl had strong feelings on moral righteousness it didn't work out one of the reasons didn't work out was she was trying to rent the devil wears prod on her cable bundle vod service and accidentally ordered the porn parody the devil wears nada um did she watch it no she got upset that he got upset and they ended up breaking up and he's not married to her anymore he just wanted to they were married no they they were dating and they got broke they broke up because of that fight one of the reasons it seems because he wanted to see what the devil was hilarious that she rented devil was not and she didn't think it was funny at all i see wow yeah sounds like this for the best 15 years later he's still i feel like there's more to that story yeah she probably came home and he was watching it but yeah this is great from Andre B he has a suggestion for cancelled month on the show because we talked about cancelled month he said Ricochet here's my five word Wikipedia summary Denzel Washington gets unconsented BB that actually is the plot of Ricochet they frame him and then he said he thinks Ricochet was ghost directed by Brian De Palma oh the Brendan O 'Kelly wants Creature Feature Month with Anaconda, Tremors, Lake Placid, and Gremlins.
1:32:10I'd be into that. Travis Swerger wants us to rename the hottest take and take you off the hook. Reminding us that Fantasy once had the take that Tracy Lords could have been Ginger in Casino. Who's Tracy Lords? He thinks that was a hotter take. Who's a former porn star? It's a former porn star. Yeah. That's pretty good. I gotta say, I like Sean's take there. I forgot about that. I actually like that take too that was good but then he said bad accents come up on several episodes why haven't you ever added the Kevin Costner in 13 days terrible accent award why haven't why don't we have a bad accent award we never had one right no sometimes we'll do the bad Boston you've done the bad Boston accent but not in general if it's Boston we'll talk about it but generally speaking so this is named after Costner right he's had the most bad accent of movies.
1:33:03Or would you have somebody else? I assume you're referring to JFK, right? Well, Robin Hood, he gave up. Right, after like two scenes. 13 Days, really terrible. I don't know what. He was doing like some sort of JFK accent. Yeah, all these movies are rewatchable. 13 Days is in, but yeah. And then he said Nicolas Cage and Captain Corelli's Mandolin is his apex mountain for bad accents. Craig, you'll like this. This is from Naz. N-A-S. I'm sure that's not his real name. The Kate Beckinsale Award for this movie is only good because she's hot. Serendipity is a great film. It only works because she's attractive.
1:33:45Sure. Put a less attractive actress in there. I don't think we're talking about the movie 24 years later. Do some movies only work because the actor or actress is hot? This is obviously Species is the number one for this. Species, for sure. Natasha Andridge in Species, ultimate example. Yeah. Movie Fails... She's basically taking a three-win team that's last in DVOA, taking them to the playoffs. They go like 11-6 somehow. 100%. I'm trying to think of other examples. Would you say can't hardly wait is like that? Jennifer Love Hewitt? No, I think that's a pretty solid... I think you could have gotten away with that.
1:34:16A couple of different people in there, yeah. What else? Kate Beckinsale's a good one. Yeah. Last fake category award from Chad in Washington wants the Diane Keaton K Adams Award for best actor or actress in a poorly written character role, which was always my take from Godfather. The premise here is so flawed. For example, the award could go to Natalie Portman in the Star Wars prequels for Padme Amidala. Padme. Padme Amidala. Yeah, Amidala. I didn't watch that.
1:34:48I do like the concept of great actor or actress, terrible role. Can you think of any other examples? I mean, K is not a bad role. but can you think of any other examples of a... He goes away for five years and comes back and she leaves an entire grade of kids. I know. Just gets into the car with them. But I think so much of this is based on you hating her hair. Well, the hair in Godfather 3 was the bad hair. But I think it almost has retroactively affected your appreciation of the character. And is it bad acting, or you just hate the way they wrote the character? I just thought they mangled the character.
1:35:23It's a bad character. You disagree still? That K is a bad character? I just don't think it's a well-written character. But it's supposed to be his one beacon of a life outside the Corleone family is this waspy woman from Connecticut or whatever. Okay. You just like Diane Keaton, and I do too. And that's fine. We all wanted to see my Kay Adams as a good character. Gets better in Godfather 2. Yes. Godfather 1, train wreck. Is her name Kay Adams? Is it? Or did we just keep saying... Did you say Kay Adams? Well, she's Kay Corleone. What was her maiden name? I highly doubt it's K Adams. You can Google it.
1:36:01It's not K. I don't think K Adams' name is K Adams. I think that's a stage name. Is it? Is it a sports media personality? Yeah. K Adams. Is her last name Corleone? Her name is K Adams. In the movie. Godfather, yes. K Adams. But do you think K Adams is a stage name for Michael Corleone? Absolutely not. Wikipedia has her name as K Adams, the sports personality. Okay. You think that's a stage name? That's a real claim. Okay. we're going to end with some heat questions. Okay. David, why? This has always bugged me. Was Neil like, hey, Wayne Grow, Michael's never met you, but he'll pick you up in the giant truck outside the food stand five minutes before the heist.
1:36:44Such a careful crew seems ridiculous. We learn later that Nate vouched for Wayne Grow. Neil never spoke to him. How'd they communicate the details of the plan in Wayne Grow? Would Wayne Grow have shot the guard if he'd actually gotten that refill? Maybe he was dehydrated. John in New Hampshire, same thing. Small, important plot point. This is my favorite movie, blah, blah, blah. After reading all the backstory of Neil in the novel and how careful and methodical he was, how do they hire Wayne Grow? A guy they'd never met before, let alone work, serve times with. They don't meet ahead of, vet them.
1:37:14They don't rehearse with them. I don't buy it. It's so out of character for Neil. Makes no sense. What's the sports equivalent? An athlete that makes an isolated decision that dominoes into their eventual downfall. Well, for me, the action is the juice. I think I do have this, which is Nico Harrison only making one phone call about Luka. And it's like, he's got to keep it tight. He doesn't want any leaks. He doesn't want this to get out. So he only calls Palenka. This is the same thing as Neil being like, I don't want anyone to know about this heist, about this score. So I can't even meet this guy.
1:37:47He's just, Michael's going to pick him up in a truck. So Anthony Davis is Wayne Grow. Yeah.
1:37:57Wayne Grove immediately falls apart. Yeah. Yeah. And also, let's be honest, Neil's personnel management, I mean, he's picking up his getaway driver the morning of the heist. Yeah. He's picking a guy out from behind the line at a diner. I'm starting to wonder if Neil had some holes in his game. Sure. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. If the heat's there in 30 seconds, you got to run, and then he's saving Val Kilmer, but he's running away from the girl that he's... And also, like, he's going, walking into an airport hotel to kill Wayne Grow, but the heat's there. Yeah, it's like...
1:38:27He's supposed to be avoiding the heat. He could have called Nate from Tahiti and been like, I'm going to put$100 ,000 on Wayne Grow's head. Yeah. But he wanted the feeling of it. I love that you guys talk about this movie like these people are your friends. I can't believe... The names that you throw out, I'm like, wait, who's who now? It's unbelievable. Well, this is the last email from Austin. Hottest take. Chirito is the villain of heat, not Wayne Grow. Morally ambiguous Wayne Grow makes a case for him. Swastika tattoo. Just a product of being a white guy doing time in California. Neil definitely has one.
1:39:06Fair. The team betrays Wayne Grow, not vice versa. All the fucked up shit Wayne Grow does is out of desperation knows that he's being hunted. I had to get it on. When I first saw the movie, I definitely thought that guard was trying to make a move. Wayne Grove made the play he thought was needed at the time. Flips it around. Chirito's workplace bullying before the heist didn't exactly help him stay cool. Trying to wind him and piss him off after a high-stress instant. Not exactly good guy behavior. Chirito's an instigator. Chirito uses a child as a human shield. His use of the word slick gets the team busted.
1:39:41Action is the juice. Preferring murder and mayhem to wife and plenty of money shows to be a deranged psychotic. Wayne Grove spends the movie trying to escape. Chirito only wants blood. Think about it. Honestly, pretty good. Pretty good. Some holes in that theory, but you could make the argument that Chirito really... I mean, Wingro does kill a prostitute in the movie. He's also a serial killer on the side. He's also a serial killer. Yeah. That's where the argument falls apart. I do like that Chirito, maybe not a good guy. Yeah. Chirito? The child is a human shield. I don't think Chirito is supposed to be seen as a good guy.
1:40:11Yeah. Well, why do I like him so much? Because he has the coolest lines and is the one who seems the most emotionally committed to being a bank robber. He loves to get married to the game. I think child as a human shield is a deal breaker for me with most characters. I'll also say that you could read Heat as Neil is the problem because Neil is the one who's like, I'm out. I'm doing one more score. He's also the guy who's pushing them hard to keep doing scores to rack up his bankroll to get out when they're all like, I'm fine just like every six weeks or so we do a different kind of deal. like it's like keep it keep the pace nice and slow if Chirito says no let's not take this down does Neil just walk away no I think Neil does it either way just gets a new crew yeah where does he get a new crew the fucking diner apparently he's just like that guy he can drive that guy from Juvie yeah that's it for rewatchables wait I have a I have a new category I want to suggest oh let's hear it alright it is the Stanley Tucci in Conclave Award for the actor that takes you out of the movie Stanley Tucci That's really good.
1:41:16Conclave? Completely. Why? So we had a version of this with the Lena Dunham spawn ranch, but I think this is better. This is better because yours was most jarring casting. This is like... This is more like I can't focus every time I see this person. I just... I don't buy him as a cardinal. I'm like, I watch this guy make Carbonara on Instagram and I just can't... I can't see him as a cardinal on the Vatican. It's just... I'm like... It's Stanley 2. You want to see him competing with Meryl Streep for the top title of the fashion magazine? You can definitely overcast a movie. like I even like Mila Kunis in the new Knives Out I'm like that's Mila Kunis right what are we doing here she's the detective I'm not about Tucci but there are movies where I'm like there's one too many guys in this like you didn't need somebody this sort of notable to be a minor character yes because I'm like that's a very famous person who is online constantly I don't buy it do you think being online constantly is eventually a deal breaker for yeah seeing somebody in a movie I agree for being a cardinal yeah well I feel that way about if like that guy from what's the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni movie what was that called It Ends With Us It Ends With Us yeah if I see that guy in any other movie I'd be like hey the Blake Lively lawsuit guy like he can't be a lawyer yeah like he actually probably should sue yeah cause I won't be able to kind of emerge from that when I see him yeah you can have too big of an online presence it's why like you know Emma Stone and Jennifer Lawrence and Leo none of those people do that cause then you can believe them in a movie you're watching See, there's sometimes, though, that I think it works.
1:42:44Like, did you see Civil War? No. Okay. Well, there's Jesse Plemons in Civil War. It almost takes you out of it, but he's so good that it makes the scene even more significant. I understand that, where you're like, oh, wow, if an actor of this level's in this scene, it elevates the movie. Yeah. So there is a fine line. What about when it's like Matt Damon in the last 20 minutes of Interstellar? It's longer than that. I mean, he's in like the second half of the movie. That's fine with me. I know some people who are distracted by that. Yeah, but I do believe that's a real thing. And you're like, oh, this is just like a very famous person like in a costume right now.
1:43:22I feel that way a little bit about Hank's area. The reverse feeling is when you go to a movie and you think somebody is going to be a major star and they get killed early in the movie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The Sean Bean Award. Didn't that used to be an award? The Sean Bean? I can't believe you didn't make it. that might have been an earlier word I'm actually re-watching Game of Thrones in the sauna it's great having a great time are you preparing for Night of the Seven Kingdoms or you're just re-watching Game of Thrones no it's just like it's good to be back with the gang how long can the iPad last in the sauna no I put it outside I put it outside the door in a chair and on subtitles or what no I just play really through the door yeah that's exactly how Benioff and Weiss intended isn't it all fogged up no because it's outside it's an infrared sauna okay wow that's great it can last like about 25-30 minutes so watching Game of Thrones it's great because it's so hot that everything's going so slow because you're just thinking about how you might be dying yeah so you can actually listen to the dialogue so I actually feel like I know the characters so you're like getting into it this time yeah I'm like oh yeah oh hey of course King Robert Baratheon oh yeah are you are you going to remix some of those categories now yeah I'm going to probably there's a couple that probably need to go right yeah from last year that i think but are most of these going to be added as possible flexes yeah well i think the the two that i think we have to add are the watch party one and the um the 100 minutes one and also the i like the horlbeck scale we have to add the like anti-life lesson or terrible life those are the three that go in and then i think we have some more flexes i the other thing we really need people could suggest is more people to do impressions of for the Wayne Jenkins spot.
1:45:10We need a new batch, new batch of blood. Well, maybe we almost take it away and let it organically repopulate, you know? Cause we had like Romo and Collinsworth and Wayne and like a couple of guys, they were just like, they were our friends, you know? And now it's like, we just need to, to re restock the cabinet. Definitely. I don't want to get rid of it anytime soon. Cause I've been workshopping some or laughs, skiing Riddick. Okay. Doing a scene of whatever movie we do. Just talking for two minutes straight. on F1. Here's the thing about Brad Pitt, the way he's driving. I want you to watch him go around the corners.
1:45:45The kind of torque that this guy can get. Why do you seem uneasy with Orlowski-Ridder jokes? I'm not. I love... Did you watch that game? Or you were traveling that day? I was traveling. I did not watch that game. I did. I know that you were upset by their talking. I don't like three-man boosts. No, they're terrible. I've been on that corner for a long, long time. Are you Scott Hansen people? You guys like Scott Hansen? Do you watch Red Zone? I do, but... You don't watch it or you don't like him? I don't put the audio on it. I'm turning on Hanson. Are you? Yeah. He's trying too hard. Once I saw the behind the scenes when it's just like him, like the guy in the Truman Show, like hovering over people's shoulders, screaming into their ears, like, you know, walking around looking at 10 TVs, he tries really hard when he should just let the announcers of the actual game that they're cutting to take over.
1:46:29I couldn't agree more. I'm trying to remember. I recently was just... He always tries to come in with like a pun. How do you feel about Brady? Brady. it's been a rough time really okay Brady and St. Barts with the cell phone laid out in his pants hitting on Alex Earl I just meant like Brady as a as a color guy better? he's fine I just think like Tariqo and Collinsworth were so good on Sunday night come on Brady is not good Tariqo is incredible and then Buck and Aikman same thing and then you watch these other teams and you can't you're like whoa yeah we really dropped off here I could talk about this all day alright rewatchables we'll come back with a movie next week.
1:47:08This was fun. Thanks for doing this. Chris Ryan, Craig Corbeck, also the producer. Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo as well. Anyone else you want to thank? I think that's it. All right. That's good. See you next week in the Rewatchables.
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