‘Another 48 Hrs’ With Bill Simmons Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

18:01And then it's like Eddie Murphy also wanted to be a musician. And Eddie Murphy wanted to be a viable action star. And Eddie Murphy wanted to be, you know what I mean? And it's like everybody was just telling him. He wanted to be a singer. Yeah, he wanted to be a pinup like old Hollywood star. He wanted to be Elvis.

18:16Bill Simmons:Yeah. it's a tough one because i do think he was among the most talented people of the last 40 plus years like he he was the most overqualified snl person i've ever had and will ferrell's probably second um everything went right for him for i would say seven years with his movie career right and by the time coming america comes out he's still like 28 he's not even really an adult yet. He's only six years older than Drake May. But he says in this spin thing, and this is after Tyson lost to Douglas in Japan, which is an interesting parallel to Eddie because Tyson had the same meteoric rise. So he says, what happened to Mike Tyson?

19:03Bill Simmons:You get so big, people don't understand what happened. How can this motherfucker never lose with Mike when he lost and became human? In retrospect, I think doing something like the last two films I've done, maybe it's good that it makes you lose a step. the pressure's off he'd be this perfect motherfucker and then he talks about his career and he says I was probably getting comfortable with my position not appreciated and the position I was in I went through a thing I had seven pictures back to back pictures nobody had done that so he was like acutely aware of like nobody's done what I'm doing right now and he couldn't sustain it but I think part of the reason you can't sustain it is you just stop when you become that famous you're just not a normal person anymore I don't care if you're a musician actor, athlete whoever i also wonder whether with his style of comedy and when you watch him on snl and when you watch him in those early movies yeah you feel like you're like i there's no safety net i'm floating and i'm we're floating with this guy like anything can happen and so once you kind of like grow past that point where you're connected to the things that made you who you were in the first place i wonder if for specifically for stand-ups if it starts to become a little bit like if you're not Seinfeld and making like quotidian observations about everyday life that everybody has, if you're Eddie Murphy and everything is energy and everything is channeling a certain sensibility, I wonder if you can sustain that.

20:24I don't think you can as a stand-up, but I definitely don't think you can as a stand-up who is also a gigantic movie star. Yeah. Nobody's ever done it. There are stand-ups that get into their 50s when they are primarily known for that and they're able to pull the energy of their cultural observations, like, you know, split them over three or four different specials over four or five years, right? But, man, when you are watching Eddie Murphy in a movie like Beverly Hills Cop, he is the comedy in the film. I mean, don't get me wrong, there are other people that are funny, other funny things that happen, but every single scene is an incredibly heavy lift.

21:01It's a real heavy lift. Eddie's doing characters. Eddie's being suave and he's being kind of like a rascal, like all that he's doing that in every film and it comes to a head and coming to America he talks about it in that piece where there's legitimately a scene where he's playing four different characters yeah he's playing off of himself that's how insulated he's become and he was mad

21:23Bill Simmons:that one of the reviewers said he was lazy in the movie he's like I literally put everybody on the scene for five minutes right and then he changes it he wants to do less and for four or five years we don't even notice like we notice that the movies aren't the same but we don't notice that Eddie Murphy isn't Eddie Murphy. Interesting. I was curious what you would say about a parallel career like Robin Williams. Now, Robin Williams probably never as famous as Eddie Murphy was at the beginning of his career, right? Like he does Mork and Mindy. I would say Mork and Mindy was a bigger show than Saturday Night Live at that point.

21:57Bill Simmons:I think the audience was bigger for it. But were people like Robin Williams is like... They didn't know his comedy as much and he went right to movies and was immediately trying to be a movie guy. And pretty quickly within the movies started doing serious roles. He moved to, like, World of Carton and Garp was probably the first one. I think the thing with Eddie, he's doing three things at the same time. He's saving SNL by himself, where he's also one of the only black stars. We talked about this in past pods. He's one of the only black stars on TV in the early 80s. So he's got the whole burden of that.

22:28Bill Simmons:He's replacing Richard Pryor as the guy as a stand-up, right? And Pryor's self-combusting, and he blows himself up. What was he? what was he doing? When he blew himself up, what was he smoking? Was it? It wasn't crack. It was freebasing. Was he freebasing? That's what it was. But he blows himself up. He's like, I stopped that to be like, what do, well, I couldn't remember when he was smoking. What is the thing that you guys smoke when you burn yourselves up? Shut up. What is it? The Rockefeller laws talk about it. What happened there? Stop. But he's also older. Right. So Eddie takes that spot, but then he also takes the number one comedy movie actor spot.

23:06Bill Simmons:All these things happen in three years. Any person would be happy with one of those three things. Chris Rock only was able to do one of those three things. And we're like, Chris Rock, what a career. The generational comic. Chappelle, it's like Chappelle. Oh my God, generational. Eddie, that was one of the three things he did. And I think that's just a lot. Yeah, and it's also just like Eddie Murphy never had a good morning Vietnam where you translate your standup or your comic skills perfectly into a dramatic role. But Good Morning Vietnam was nowhere near as big of a movie as the least popular Eddie Murphy movie of the 80s.

23:42Bill Simmons:Yeah, this movie made$150 million. And it's reviled. It was considered to be disappointing. 19 on Rotten Tomatoes. That's crazy. It's not that bad. 19. This movie's good. I like this movie. I like it. Hold on. He speaks to this in the piece, though. Yeah. He talks about the fact because, you know, Robin Williams worked with our tours and different directors and stuff like that. Eddie talks about the fact that he didn't and really couldn't do that. He was like, he's talking to Spike Lee. And by the way, they promised to work together in this piece. They never do. Sure. It never happens. It's so funny.

24:18They spend like over there like, yeah, yeah.

24:20Bill Simmons:When we were in never, not even like a tiny role. And what he's essentially talking about is the, how the, the seriousness of Spike Lee and who Spike Lee was as a black director at that time, the responsibility that Spike has and the responsibility that Eddie has as being the guy that everybody likes. And it seemed like he was saying that he couldn't do stuff like what Robin Williams was doing. He couldn't take those chances. That wasn't what they wanted from him. He's like, they sent in workman directors in to do some of these movies and I'll do those movies with them. But as far as me working with really important directors and that stuff like that, it's like that's not what I'm doing and that's kind of not what they want me to do.

25:04They want me to do Eddie Murphy pictures. Yeah, you're right. There's like a burden.

25:08Bill Simmons:I almost wonder, because he does the Oscars thing in 89, right? And that's this renaissance for, you have Spike, you have Robert Townsend, the Wayans brothers are coming in and there's this whole generational thing. Hip-hop's coming in. There's this whole generational thing shifting. And you could almost feel like Eddie felt like he was over here in the mass market area. Sure. Of like belonging to everybody and was kind of, but I still should be over here too. And that's why he's speaking out during these two years. And then it's over. And then he has the thing with the picking up the prostitute in 1995.

25:45Bill Simmons:Sure. After that, he stops doing interviews. I mean, he basically disappears after that. He does like some promotion for movies and that's it. You'll get every once in a while a little story of like Eddie Murphy, Quentin Tarantino, something, you know, whether it was, I think Tarantino was like, he was thinking about Eddie Murphy for Pulp Fiction or something like that. But then there's been a more recent story of all the good directors. Quentin has fascinated by him. Quentin had like a Beverly Hills cop pitch that Eddie Murphy was like, that's actually pretty good. Yeah. He becomes, I think was in on him too, trying to get him.

26:18He becomes that guy because like those directors obviously grew up on him. But also, it's like, there was so much that he could do. And I bet that people looked at him and was like, yo, this guy is better than The Haunted Mansion. This is Eddie Murphy. He's better than The Haunted Mansion.

26:36Bill Simmons:Well, didn't you feel that way with Distinguished Gentleman? I remember leaving the theater and being like, goddammit. It's a stupid movie. Yeah, it's like, goddammit, how did we get to this point? There are interesting films in there. Like, you know, Boomerang is interesting because he goes all black cast for Boomerang. that's the best thing he did that decade absolutely but then like there's Bowfinger which is an interesting movie it's an interesting movie it's a funny movie that's Eddie trying to kind of he tries to do Metro doesn't quite work doesn't quite work and then he never does the thing he never and not until Dreamgirls he doesn't have the goodwill hunting moment he doesn't have sort of the Jim Carrey like do you think could he have done Training Day no could he have done He Got Game no I don't think you saw him shoot the basketball in this movie well right he could have done Truman Show could have done Truman Show I think so I think I think this is gonna sound really stupid but something like Castaway like there's an element of like oh wow what are the things that you would you watch Eddie Murphy on his own on an island for an hour and a half I would you know now would he would it have the same gravitas would it like what would happen in that film I don't know but like it is it is a It is a really sad thing to look back and be like...

27:52Can we just do that? I'm thinking about most roles that Hanks played. You know, besides... Could he then sleep us in Seattle? Maybe. Maybe he could have done, like... He could have done big, though. He could have done big. He could have also done, like... Not only their own... But think about Philadelphia, where Hanks is in the Denzel Washington part.

28:13Bill Simmons:Oh. And Eddie is in the Tom Hanks part. That would have been... people's head up what's what's your eddie relationship craig you're like two generations removed unfortunately i think the relationship with eddie is that i knew he was famous first before i had a relationship with a specific movie i mean to be honest he made the he made like dr doolittle and that's probably like the first thing that's like most people under 35 it's pretty remarkable that for a guy as talented as him who was the biggest star in the world his career does still feel like a missed opportunity a little bit it's like it's like aaron rogers only having one ring.

28:46You're like, that's, he was the most talented quarterback I've ever seen, and he only has one ring. That's not right. He should have won at least one Oscar. But like, if, there's part of me that is still like, if Eddie Murphy started a podcast tomorrow, it would be like the biggest podcast in the world. Yeah, he's still, he's Do you know what I mean? Like, there's like, so many Did you see the documentary?

29:03Bill Simmons:I did. Yeah. It was interesting, because it was all the good and bad of where Eddie is now, where it was a very safe, controlled documentary that was afraid to really go anywhere. But I was completely riveted the whole time. And he's a good raconteur, yeah. And I loved it. And he told great stories. And I had a great time. And you still want to love him whenever you see him. You know, something else that happened, now that I think about it, is Hollywood really split Eddie into, like, thirds in the 90s. Yeah. Like, they took the charm of Eddie, and then that was Will Smith. Like, almost anything that Will Smith was doing, you could have imagined Eddie doing.

29:35They took the straight up.

29:37Bill Simmons:Like, bad boys would have been Eddie 10 years earlier. Men in black, right? You know what I mean? He had to play a little bit younger than him, but still. And then they took, like, Rush Hour. like they wanted Eddie to be like in Rush Hour like that was supposed to be Eddie Murphy but Chris Tucker was like occupying that space for a little while but in the 80s there was one guy at the top who could do all of that stuff that those guys can do like when you split them apart well yeah he never was in like Independence Day or Armageddon any of those type of movies because he was kind of too famous to be one of the seven guys you get trapped you're like your own franchise some of those movies started to do a little bit of Moneyball where it's like well we'll get John Malkovich to be the bad guy in Con Air because his price point is probably not going to be as high as Eddie Murphy or something like that.

30:20You know what I mean?

30:20Bill Simmons:Yeah. Well, in this movie, in 48 Hours of One, he was paid$200 ,000. In this one, he was paid$12 million plus points. He actually came up with the story and used the pseudonym for it. Talked Nolte into it. Nolte called Walter Hill, the director, who we'll talk about in a second. And he said, what do you think, Walt? and then Nick said if we do one and it stinks we're still batting 500 that's funny but he said it in the Nick Noltebos if we do one and it stinks not a bad life lesson yeah yeah and Walter Hill said a lot of folks will say I'm just doing it for the money what I want to know is what do I think why do I think they made the first one so the most interesting thing about this movie is something we'll talk about right after the break this episode is brought to you by Marvel Television's Daredevil Born Again season two streaming March 24th on Disney plus Charlie Cox at Vincent D 'Onofrio back and Kristen Ritter makes her highly anticipated return as Jessica Jones and an all new season as Mare Fist tightens his grip on New York city.

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32:05Bill Simmons:Conditions apply. See taxact.com for details Alright, so we mentioned This is a complicated rewatchable Because it's rewatchable But it is among the movies that made me the maddest And I didn't fully realize until we did the research, CR That this should have been a two and a half hour long movie Yeah That got cut to 120 And then a week before the release Paramount panicked Because Total Recall had done really well Yeah And was short and they said, we got to get this down to 95 and they just fucking brought the chainsaw out and chopped it and this is the reason the plot is so nonsensical and it's like, wait, how do they know?

32:46Bill Simmons:And that's why. Yes. Because they just took out scenes that would have explained shit. Definitely chopped this thing to shit. I am a little curious how none of that has ever gotten on any DVD or on YouTube or there's never been like... 25 minutes is like six scenes. Yes. I mean, the conceit of the movie, 48 Hours, that ended up on the cutting room floor as well. Yes. The idea that Jack has a deadline to find the Iceman. Totally cut out. And it's in one of the trailers. He tells Reggie, I only have 48 hours. We got to find the Iceman or I'm going to jail. Gone. Just gone. Yeah. Apparently, Cruz, Keo's buddy in this, has a whole arc that's gone.

33:31Bill Simmons:and the guy who played Keogh explains the whole thing and he said he lost every major scene he had. It felt like getting kicked in the stomach. I was the third lead. I looked like a dressed extra. There's no mention of 48 hours in the film anywhere and this is just how it went. So when I read that quote from Brian James about playing Keogh, I thought to some extent they may have made that decision to maintain the twist of who Iceman is and that's why they cut his stuff out? I mean, it's not even a twist. It would be like right now if Van was like, I'm the Iceman. It's like, what? I've been writing J.D.

34:19Vance's tweets. That would be interesting. No, it worked on me when I was a kid, though. Oh, I didn't care at all when I was a kid. This is also, you guys got to understand, this is an era where I we didn't really pay that much attention nah man no it is true like Tango and Cash get set up in two scenes they put it all together they go to jail like whole trial happens they go to jail and like we're just rocking and rolling that's what you tell me the movie's about let's have some fun the problem for me

34:46Bill Simmons:is I was a sophomore in college and 48 Hours was my favorite movie and they do another 48 Hours and it's like Kia was the Iceman and it's like no you fucked out When I watched the first movie, he's helping Jack with Reggie. Why would he help him if he was the Iceman? Why would he help him in any way, shape, or form? Maybe one of the scenes that got cut is the Iceman's late arriving. It's only after 48 hours that he becomes the Iceman. No, but that's not true because Reggie's like, remember that money we took? $45 ,000? Took that off the Iceman, the guy who bought your car. So that makes you the dumbest motherfucker.

35:23Bill Simmons:So Iceman had to be going in 1980. But is this Eddie Murphy's idea? If he does the story? But maybe it made sense with the extra 45 minutes. With everything. I think that it's more of a movie movie. Like in terms of the plot making sense and all of that stuff. With the extra time in it. But it probably is lesser. Honestly. Yeah. It probably. I don't know. This movie might be heat. We'll never know. This movie. It might be a Michael Mann movie. Well, you joke. and we haven't said why we like this movie yet. This movie is still a Walter Hill movie shot by Matthew Leonetti and it looks fucking awesome.

36:01This movie is such a great hang.

36:03Bill Simmons:It still has the banger James Horner score. I have an oddly well-directed real sense of tension and danger in these scenes. Great villains. Great villains. Totally fucking crazy guys that you are actually scared of that represent danger whenever they're around. and it moves so quickly. I don't know if it would move that same way if we had more time with all of these characters. It's the opening scene. It's filmed like it's a fucking Oscar winner. I have that in a category coming up. It's really good. Walter Hill, this was his last hurrah. After this, he had Trespass, Geronimo, Wild Bill, Last Man Standing, CR and I.

36:43Bill Simmons:Trespass, Geronimo, and Wild Bill all have things to recommend about them. I like those movies. Well, I'm just saying none of them did well. yeah trespass i'm really like yeah trespass a treasure hunt in the hood how have they not done that again trespass i love that movie it bombed it did not in my high school it's funny yeah but like trespass was like the idea of trespass we were like this is the best idea I loved it. Loved Trespass. I went and found the 1990 premiere magazines to see if they did another 48 hours and they only had a summer movie preview and they were doing predictions and they called Walter Walter over the hill.

37:26Bill Simmons:Oh, shit. That's what he got in another 48 hours. Fuck that. CR and I met him. The Running Man screening. He was sitting right behind us and we were probably like 20 % too excited. We were like Chris Farley in SNL like, oh, and then we did this. Yeah. Remember the Warrior? I was like Mr. Hill I'm a huge fan of extreme prejudice like he uh I think he was uh flattered yeah sure but yeah so he did Warriors in 48 hours after that it doesn't really matter does it you come up with those two he also did Long Riders Southern Comfort I mean he's done so many good movies Warriors though stands the test of time as much as any movie man we're bringing that back because when we did it the first time in the rewatchables we didn't have a lot of the categories the rewarrior And then Shay didn't really like it.

38:14Bill Simmons:That was one of the only times I forgot to make sure. How could that be possible? Shay was like fine with it. I thought he loved it for some reason. And then he was kind of like, yeah. That is the most Shay Serrano-coated movie maybe ever. I was stunned. I just assumed that he loved it. And he was like lukewarm on it. So CR and I had to carry it. Shay. I had to carry Shay. We had to carry it. A legitimate genius. We talked him into it by the end of the pod. I think he liked it more. I think he enjoyed our enthusiasm. For sure. What a great movie. It's just amazing. Talk about, what did I say? It was 89 minutes?

38:49Bill Simmons:The rare sub-90. I mean, it might be for batting average slash advanced metrics, pound for pound per minute, the greatest action movie ever. It's a piece of culture. They create an entire universe. Yeah, it becomes more. It's like a weird, drugged-out, post-modern treatise on the crime-written New York of the 1970s and gangs and all of that. It's like a beautifully fucked-up dystopian novel almost. It is remarkable they did that in 90 minutes. It's also like we still in 2025, 2026 are like, oh, that's like the Warriors. That's so Warriors. It's still a touchstone. You know what's amazing about the Warriors?

39:33Bill Simmons:They never fucked with it. Nobody was like, we're remaking the Warriors. It was like there would have actually been riots in the street if they were in the streets. they tried to remake that movie. It's almost like remaking The Godfather or some of these movies nobody would ever have touched. Yeah. The Warriors is like that. And you would think they would have remade that four times already, but stayed away. Bunch of that guys in this movie. We mentioned Brian James. Kevin Tagge? Oh, yeah, I like him. From the Christmas Adventurers. Christmas Adventurers. Owned the double deuce. Needed some help.

40:05Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's right. He was a good... He needed to find the best cooler in the South. he was the good guy in that one, but he's got such a smirky, fucked up face that when you see him in other shit, you're like, there's the guy that you're not supposed to have. It's funny because he was in Emergency, which was one of my first favorite TV shows in the 70s, and he was just like a Noah Wiley type of 70s good guy. Should we address the fact that Neil Fisher emailed our email inbox to explain the last shot of Roadhouse to us? Oh, yeah. What was that? I don't remember that. Big fan of the pod. Been listening since the beginning.

40:36Loved the Mailbag episode and when I heard you mention Roadhouse and you looking for an answer to a question, my ears perked up. I'm a filmmaker and author from Chicago. My first book was released in 2021. It was about Swayze. While writing it, I was in contact with a bunch of Swayze collaborators like his widow, Lisa. And I became with Roadhouse alums, Marshall Teague.

40:59Bill Simmons:Yeah. And director Rowdy Harrington. I asked Rowdy if the skinny dipping scene was shot to be used in the middle of the movie since Cody is there or if it's something else. The blind guy. Rowdy says that always was meant to be the end of the movie and he loves the final song when the night comes falling from the sky. Hope that helps.

41:20Bill Simmons:You know that I got this mailbag question about how the blind guy was just in the skinny dipping scene. And it was like did they skinny dip in front because they couldn't see. He couldn't see anything. But it's like a little Easter egg. Have we? There's one more of that guy we got to talk about. Okay, go for it. Andrew Diboff, who plays Gaines's brother. Yeah. Also the bad guy in Toy Soldiers. What a run for him. The movie we did a couple years ago on the rewatchables, me and Kyle Brandt. And that's really it for him. Wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no. He also was... Wasn't he in... Okay, so we're talking about the guy with the long hair and the...

41:51Kerry. Yeah, like A Lowdown, Dirty Shame. Oh. Remember A Lowdown, Dirty Shame? What an early 90s run for him. A Lowdown, Dirty Shame. He plays... I remember he says he's trying to get under Shane's skin. Yeah. the beautiful, top-tier, gorgeous Sally Whitfield. Oh. Yeah. Oh, my God. Shout out to DeAndre, man. But he's talking about her, and he looks at Shane. He goes, yes. No, she loved to fuck. That's what he says about it. He goes, because he's trying to get under his skin, because that's his girl.

42:26Bill Simmons:Yeah. And he's like, she's going out. He's like, yes. She loved to fuck. And I was like, God damn. Just tell somebody, your ex, hey, I'm with your girl now, I'll just let you know. Jesus. She loves to fuck. It's a scene in Low Down, Dirty Shame. He's in the movie. Coral Beck scale. The Century Club for Craig. 100 minutes is... That's the curve one way or the other. We're at 95 minutes here, Craig. We're at plus five. I know, plus five. Perfect length. But we could have had like a 140-minute movie. He was psyched for the other version. You could have given me five more minutes or something like that, but this is right in the sweet spot.

43:02Necessarily.

43:04Bill Simmons:$50 million budget. made 153.5 million. Roger Ebert, two stars. Yeah, that's not right. I can't fight back on this. Yeah. He said, you know how sometimes in a dream, you'll see these familiar scenes and faces floating in and out of focus, and you're not sure how they'll connect? Another 48 Hours is a movie that feels the same way. Broad outlines, villains, cops, all basic movie stereotypes. What exactly is happening here? If it does nothing else, Another 48 Hours reminds us that Murphy is a big, genuine talent. now it's time for him to make a good movie god damn he challenged him I mean I would say he does boring is a great movie yeah watch party out of all the possible scenarios five o 'clock or for me it's maybe it's maybe a top five five o 'clock or it's exactly what you would want you would go perfect back in the day maybe you get three trailers so say five o 'clock movie starts around 515 520 you're home in time for dinner home for dinner yeah it's maybe a 455 start movie kicks in around 508 you get out early enough for young Bill Simmons to take you out and tell you all the problems with Iceman continuity you know that would have happened I would have been like can we go get a Dunkin Donuts I gotta explain how dumb this Keough thing is why this didn't work for me can we get an iced coffee most rewatchable scene my first one isn't until 26 minutes into the movie unless you want to go with the opening I like the opening.

44:32I like the opening. I just have so many questions about it. Like, who goes to that bar? Like, who frequents that bar in the middle of the desert? Nowhere is it for bikers or something like that. Where is it? Is it in California? Is there a desert in... Where do you think that... Is there a desert in Northern California? I mean, probably, but not super close to San Francisco. I mean, you could be up heading towards Napa, I suppose. With, like, those types of dunes. It would look like they were in fucking Egypt. Where's Lompoc or where's like some of the...

45:02Bill Simmons:I don't know. Okay. It's almost like a fever dream, that scene. That poor bartender. Poor bartender gets killed. Two cops. Well, you're into the movie. Five minutes. Two cops gone. Old timer bartender out of here. Old timer bartender. Probably bulletproof vest to work every day, I would say. With that job. Can he go two days without getting more than one customer sometimes? That's a pretty far-flung bar. yeah especially I'm guessing it wasn't like $15 for a Jack and Coke no it probably wasn't like Jack gets attacked by the bikers and then Reggie's bus gets attacked simultaneously that's a fantastic action it's awesome this is 26 minutes in this movie all of a sudden takes off we get to hear Reggie sing James Brown I wrote this down this has happened a few times in movies most famously in Fast 4 at the end prison transport buses getting attacked.

45:59Yeah.

46:00Bill Simmons:Yes. Prison transport. I also like it. Plains? Connery? Whenever anyone. Carrying prisoners under attack. He's trying to communicate with the prison transport bus like in Rebel Ridge. Yeah. Oh, Rebel Ridge is a good one. Yeah. He's like, stay up. I'm trying to think when that hasn't worked. And then if you're the prisoner and you're being transported in real life, deep down, you're probably hoping. Wait. Wait, does this not happen in both U.S. Marshals and the Fugitive as well? No, it's a plane crash. U.S. Marshals, plane crash. Yeah, the Fugitive. Fugitive is just a straight bus crash. Yes. Bus crash, yeah.

46:36It's not an attack.

46:37Bill Simmons:Fast forward is an intentional attack. Right. To free Vin Diesel. I expand on this and say that any time the prison transport mechanism is in peril, it's a good scene. Yeah. also the same guy is driving the bus in every scene no matter what movie it is it's like the little bit of a fat guy looks like he's from Chicago and he's got a mustache it would have been cool if there was more of a budget if Shot Caller had more of a budget for a prison transport if he could have gotten a transport going yeah Shot Caller Shot Caller I'm on top of that so Shot Caller I so I I had never seen Shot Caller right until we did Rewatchables well I can't remember I badgered you to see it.

47:21So I'm looking at that, and I'm just not going to watch Jamie Lannister as a hard ass. I'm just not looking at it. I'm not going to watch that. I'm not looking at that. And then I watched Shot Caller. And what the fuck, man? Shot Caller is way better than it had any business be. Yeah. It's kind of what I wanted from Rip. The Rip, yeah. For it to be a little... Well, Shot Caller is way smarter than The Rip is. The Rip is a fucking dumb movie. It's good. All right. That's a stupid movie, bro. Why? It's just like Come on bro Like Even them That's a It's a five cent twist At the end of the movie It's like I enjoyed the rip I really didn't I enjoyed the rip But it's I enjoyed the rip I did Right It was worth the time

48:03Bill Simmons:My review to CR Was that the rip Probably needed worse actors It probably should have It probably should have had The Den of Thieves level actor Yeah In that movie Then you would have felt like Hey I got more than I bargained for But if you're looking at the two motherfuckers from Good Will Hunting, you're expecting slightly more. I'm expecting heat when I see those guys and it was not heat. Right. It was more in the really well done den at Thieves Camp. But Shot Caller, when I was watching it, that seemed like some made for cable type shit. Nah, the movie took itself very seriously. I didn't see what was coming at the end.

48:36It's like a legitimately good movie. I think he still was probably miscast. You probably could have got people to take that movie more seriously if you'd have cast somebody else in the lead.

48:45Bill Simmons:Disagree. Sick. I thought he was awesome. The movie's good. You just took too much Jamie Lannister baggage into it. I probably saw. I didn't say it was a bad movie. What I'm saying is to get more people into that film, if it had been somebody different. I just think they botched the release. I didn't even see it for three years. I didn't even know it was out. Yeah. Let's write a movie where a prison transport bus gets attacked. I don't know what happens the rest of the movie, but that's just how it starts. Oh, I can tell you something. How about this? This will get made. This will get made. Ringer Films.

49:14Ringer Films. Get your own on. prison transport bus gets attacked by fucking vampires okay this movie gets made vampires they're fucking they've woken up from their slumber they're hungry dusk before transport dusk before transport there these are hungry vamps they're on the fucking prop

49:36Bill Simmons:Craig's in on this prison bus they smell it but they don't realize that they fuck with the wrong bus baby these guys can handle themselves I'm telling you could we do I wonder he didn't green light my shit well I'm still thinking about it does that be a prison transport or could it be like any bus no it has to be like a greyhound no like the Sixers are taking a bus from Philly to MSG the bus is under attack Tyrese Maxey has to save the day yeah against vampires and B goes down at the first touch of a bus and B goes down 10 minutes into the movie no and B becomes a vampire and it gets to him yeah And all of a sudden...

50:16And you know how we know that the vampires have gotten him beat? Because all of a sudden... Because he's playing? He's playing and he's not getting hurt. Yeah. He's moving around, but there's... He's just a vampire walking around in sketchers. Yeah. I noticed you haven't really commented on his revival. Is it a revival? I think he's playing quite well. Okay. He is. Once Bill gets a take, he doesn't ever go back on his face.

50:35Bill Simmons:Look, how long has he been playing well? Like three weeks? Yeah. Okay. Time the Celtics have been good. Great. Next scene. Reggie and Jack hit the hospital into Reggie's car blowing up, which includes Eddie just ripping off lines like, oh, great, I get to spend my first day out with Arthur Goddamn Redneck. Fucking hilarious. I'm broke, I've been shot at, I was in a bus that flipped 17 times. That's the trailer. That's the trailer. They blew my car! Yeah. They blew my car! They blew my car! Is this when he goes, that's it? I'm calling some of my fucking homies! I'm getting a loan! I'm getting a set of the fuck off!

51:11Bill Simmons:All of a sudden, this is the best movie you've ever seen. and then when he's calling the different people for the money and they was like no no I was there when you beat the bitch up he's like yeah he's like you become a Christian that was just funny I was there when you beat the bitch up but all of this stuff like talk about how bad the movie is maybe it's nostalgia the bar the bus all of this stuff is moving real quick and it's hard not to be entertained yeah he told me that cops ain't shit and you were just pussies that I like your passions and y 'all said he's gonna park his car and he don't care if it's a no parking zone.

51:46Bill Simmons:Reggie explains the Iceman and Jack. The Iceman bought your house, which makes you probably the dumbest motherfucker in law enforcement. I also like the line, he makes Gaines look like Gandhi. And then he does the same seven years of prison. You remember every story about pussy you ever heard. But we're cooking. It's starting to feel like 48 hours again. I also like Reggie spots a pickpocket. I love anytime somebody says she's dancing at a birdcage up in North Beach. I know I'm in the right movie. That sounds great. I thought the band was just terrible. We get a bar fight and we get him shooting somebody and asking if anyone else wants a limp.

52:26Bill Simmons:You like that scene? We love it. I mean, all of this stuff is from the trailer. Like that, you know? The trailer itself, I remember as a kid it was everywhere. A lot of promotion for this movie. This was like a big one, right? Trailer goes through all this. It shows everything that's happened to him and then it shows him shooting the gun like this. Almost the same way he did in Hall of Nights. Right, yeah. Yeah, like shooting the gun like that. It's like, hilarious. Chinatown Hotel Shootout. Hey. At the King Mai. First of all, some good stunts in this. Some great stunts in that. That is an intense, desperate shootout.

53:02The Hotel Shootout is from a different movie. That's not normally the type of shit that you get. It's the same. All the stuff with Cherry and Hickox is from... It's from the first one. It's from the other version of the movie. It's a better, crazier version of the first. Yeah. Because he, think about him. I fucking killed you, Pete. That guy ain't trying to be funny. That's like a serious fucking, he's pissed the fuck off.

53:23Bill Simmons:Have you ever wanted to jump into a garbage dumpster? Into the garbage bags like they do in these movies? I feel like in real life you would do it and you'd just get stabbed by a broken wine bottle and die. It's like, no way you survive it. They make it seem so easy. I know. It's like this cushy fall. But the thing that I never. You're jumping into a Samsung TV. I don't think about getting that. I think about falling on somebody's old steak or some old gumbo they threw out or being in the middle of a pamper. So many bad things are in a garbage stuff. They're never in a movie. Hollywood's in crisis because you know there was like a day to a week of meetings about what should Cherry fall onto when we finally kill him.

54:01Or no, is it Cherry or is it the ice maid who falls into the water bottles?

54:04Bill Simmons:No, that's Cherry. Cherry. And it's like, he's going to go out the window. What should hit him? What should he fall on? And they probably were like, what would look fucking amazing. That would have cost$10 million now to throw a guy out of a window. That's a real dude. He's like fully a stuntman. Yeah. This movie's crazy with the stunts. We didn't even talk about the guy that for a nothing scene, like a nothing scene, just gets a torch, set on fire. Oh, I'm getting to that. Okay. A nothing scene. It's a whole thing. Set a torch, set on fire for no reason. What about the stunt going through the movie screen and the motorcycle's landing perfectly right between the aisles.

54:45Bill Simmons:Right. But that's not CGI. I don't know how they did that. That's movie magic, man. A tiny bit over to the left, you're just hitting a chair. Are you aware that in 1969, the United States was able to successfully put men on a spacecraft and then get them to the moon? I don't like your sarcasm. He also might be a little bit dubious about whether that happened. Do you think that it happened? Stanley Kubrick did that in the back lot of Paramount. The point is that if they were able to do that. I stand with Danny Torrance. Spaceship sweatshirt.

55:17Bill Simmons:I really like Bernie Casey in this movie, but I like when they go to visit him and he goes, you will repay your debt to me! And punches the glass. When I was a kid, that used to scare me. I used to be a boy. He's in a different movie. You will repay my debt to me. Bernie Casey is the stuff that got cut out. Or just the explanation of that. Is he the Judd Nelson, you're in a different movie, but I'm really enjoying it. Bernie Casey's in Shot Caller. He's not in another 40 hours. He's over here. He hates Reggie. Reggie's so scared of him. And then when he punches a hole through the fucking glass, that scared the shit out of me when I was a kid.

55:54Bill Simmons:By the way, Bernie Casey, like pretty atypical role for him. Like this was, he's running Lambda, Lambda, Lambda and Revenge of the Nerds. Well, in the 70s, he was a little bit more. In the exploitation stuff, he was usually the good guy. He wasn't like the bad guy. Around this time, or a little bit after this, I'm Gonna Get You Suck It Comes Out. Yeah. Did Bernie Casey ever play Felix Leiter in any Bond movies? I don't think, did he? I always thought Bernie Casey was really good. He's the man. Anything he was in. He was the man. I really liked him in this movie. Like a plus performer, whatever he was in.

56:23Bill Simmons:And then we had the Club North Beach final shootout. It's the last one. Ridiculous Iceman reveal. We get to see a hostage taken in a stripper cage elevator. Sign me up. You set me up, Ben. I did. You were getting too close, Jack. I like when people are trying to kill each other but they're having a conversation. You sent me up, CR! Iceman's got to... Sorry, man, you were losing control of the ringer! That's the Mr. and Mrs. Smith where you're arguing while shooting each other. Gans' brother falls to his death on a water bottle truck and then Jack, the twist, he shoots Reggie to get to Kia. So he shoots Reggie with, I think, a.44 Magnum?

57:03Reggie's shit is fucked up.

57:04Bill Simmons:And Reggie's... Yeah, Reggie's not. He's losing his arm Losing a ton of blood Right Instantaneously Right I don't know why they didn't Right here I thought they were setting him up To have him in a vest They mention it Halfway through the movie Yeah Jack has a vest At the diner He gets shot six times with a vest I thought oh this was a plan They concocted Where if he needs to be shot He can be shot Because he has a vest on And he's not in one Yeah I don't want to go all Like you know Lioness, ballistics We should have a whole pod Called Ballistics Where we talk about the guns In these fucking movies You get shot from that range With that gun Your shit is fucked up Yeah like that's you need to be in the hospital table in an hour yeah the 80s were a big gun fucking I mean the Gans is carrying a Desert Eagle in this right yeah so they they were a big caliber gun decade before 18 Jesus I didn't realize American Sniper was here I know seriously what it would have been funny though if he'd shot him where he shot him and he goes there goes college softball

58:03oh man what do you got

58:04Bill Simmons:for most rewatchable, Sierra. Well, I'll just do a shout-out to the motocross scene because it is such an unnecessary use of burning a stuntman near the death. And I also love Brent Jennings in this movie as bros. But it really, there's no real reason to have that scene in the movie. But it is awesome that they're just like, what I need is a motocross track, 25 experienced motocross bike riders. Then we're going to have a stuntman get lit on fire with a shootout. And all the motorcycles need to miss Nick Nolte by an inch. A little bit. Yeah. But my favorite scene is probably that let Eddie Murphy cook.

58:43Bill Simmons:The eight minutes of Eddie Murphy just cooking. Yeah, I agree. The payphone scene is my favorite scene. Like, it's the one that I most get excited to watch. I will say, to your point about Brent Jennings, in this, an underrated scene is when the two guys confront him in the room and they shoot his ear. Like... Oh, Malcolm. Or not Malcolm, no. Tyrone. Yeah, Tyrone. Brent Jennings is in the movie, right? Yeah. When they shoot his ear. Like, that scene, once again. And he starts laughing. I like him to get shot and laugh. It's like from a horror movie. Yeah. It's also the way it's shot is really...

59:17Yeah, they do some weird, scary camera stuff. You start to see how insane he really is because he gets shot in the ear, then still delivers to them the message that he needs to so they can finish their job. Then they finish him.

59:33Bill Simmons:It's like when Trump got shot in the air. Okay, now. I know you're on Netflix now, but yeah. That didn't make sense. I don't know what the correlation is. It's a little bit paramount, maybe. What's the most 1990 thing about this movie, CR? I think unironically ordering brewskis and then having those beers be Miller Genuine Draft bottles. You know, I recently tried Miller Genuine Draft for the first time. That's not a great beer. Yeah. And then also just the Iceman using an Uzi. What do you drink? What kind of beer do you drink? He drinks Michelob Ultra. Yeah. Modelo? Light beer. I love Miller Lite, Coors Light.

1:00:11Okay. Oh, a Real American. Sure. There you go. MGD is not really around anymore. It's certainly not around in LA. I do not see MGD in LA. It tastes more like malt liquor. You know, these are the beers of my home. When I came out here, all the whites I knew, it was Pabst Blue Ribbon. It was like, give me a Modelo. give me a San Angeles IPA or whatever. Where I'm from, the ones that I grew up with, give me a Miller Lite, give me a Coors. These are the Americans I know. I hear things change. I don't even know. Who are the Miller Lite people at the ringer? Who are they? Chang loves a Miller Lite. Oh, that makes sense.

1:00:50That tracks.

1:00:51Bill Simmons:I drink Michelob Ultra. I got it. We got it. Yeah. It's refreshing. It's only 90 calories. my most 90 anything about this movie is just this stage of Eddie's career he's kind of fat in this movie for him yeah a little bit he talks about like he hates watching this movie because he thinks he's fat in it he's not his hair is starting to go a little bit he just looks older and like he looks pretty good though like outside he's wearing that big suit yeah where it's like man I feel like he looks handsome and in shape yes you know no but if you watch the first movie that suit is like tight on him man my mama when we watched this movie she loved him she would not stop talking about how much weight Eddie Murphy had gained that's one of the things I remember you really feel it in the suit it's almost like a David Byrne suit on him when I watched it again though the suit is big the suit is big which age the best oh hold on I gotta do my most 90s what is it convertibles in movies I can think of so many movies with people driving around in convertibles twins canine people driving around in convertibles having conversations in the open air in movies I looked it up less convertibles in movies because less convertibles period I know the convertible was phased out in the 90s I also wonder whether or not a convertible is a better shot you know like you get like more of whatever even if it's a if it's a screen background cinematically you know what the problem is fucking skin cancer Thank you.

1:02:26Bill Simmons:That's killed convertibles. Didn't you have a convertible? Yeah, I had one for 25 years. I always had a convertible. You had to give it up. Guess what? I got a big melanoma on my forehead. And that was it. I never had a convertible again after that. No, I think people just would bake in the sun in a convertible and not think twice about it. And now people are a little more sun careful. You don't really see it. Craig's generation. You're too careful about the sun? Just more careful about the sun. It is a thing. People put on sunscreen every morning. I don't do that. but people that's a thing it's recommended for out here yes like a part of your daily morning routine is you apply sunscreen back in the 90s just put that top down fucking bake in the sun turn bright red have an MGD better times go to a strip joint with a stripper cage yeah watch the stripper cage elevator going up and down through the days that's what they were watching what stage is the best what do you got CR ball busting cop talk now Jack a cop is a guy and sometimes a guy steps on his dick.

1:03:27That, bro, this guy was obsessed with stepping on dick. Yeah. He said you stepped on your dick. He said it three times in one sentence. Yeah, I just love all the ball busting that happens in the precinct.

1:03:39Bill Simmons:We don't do it the same way anymore with precincts. We just lost the narrative. Yeah. These chaotic precincts with a lot of sarcasm and a lot of insulting just doesn't exist anymore. Busting each other's balls. Yeah, we don't have ball busting. You think work from home killed precincts? I do. I do. I think COVID. You know what we need at the ringer? I think Karen Bass. Cops on Zoom calls. Karen Bass. You know what we need at the ringer? We need a police captain at the ringer. Just somebody who - Somebody walks in here, Lavin, get your motherfucking ass in my office. Yeah. We need to like - Well, our guy got cut out of this movie, Frank McRae.

1:04:11Bill Simmons:Yeah. Who was the sergeant yelling at them in the first movie. Just out. Right. I always need that guy if I'm going to be in a cop movie in a precinct. with you because he's just Inspector Todd, but in San Francisco. What do you have for what stage is the best? The animus between rural and metropolitan Americans. I hear a lot of talk in this hillbillies, rednecks, all this stuff. We had it then and we have it now. We can't get on the same page. It's tough. I have a... Oh, also in Internal Affairs. Internal Affairs in the 80s, scumbags. Yeah. Hated them. Yeah, they fucking hated IA. Hated IA. every single movie I.A.

1:04:54scumbags but now

1:04:56Bill Simmons:I have two I loves I love evil internal affairs guys or seemingly evil but they're really doing their job and honestly like villainous biker gangs tell me when that doesn't work in a movie these guys are just bad guys they got bikes that's all I need they villainous bad biker gangs kind of culturally expired but then I feel like sons of anarchy and task yeah in a very different way though right I also had a fun action movie sequel gimmick Is the dead guy's brother coming to Exact Revenge? It's fine by me Sign me up Fine by me If a bus can flip with prisoners, even better And then any movie that has an exchange like this We're looking for a whore that works here Angel don't work here anymore She's dancing up in North Beach I'm probably in the right theater

1:05:48I meant to come see the new Colleen Hoover but it turns out I'm right where I need to be. You guys understand me.

1:05:54Bill Simmons:This isn't Hamnet? I thought I was Chloe Zhao. Denethy's Benihana Award for Scene Stealing Location and the Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. I'm giving to the Birdcage, which was that strip club at the end, which I thought was a really good bar scene. You could also talk me into the first location. I got a Sand Dunes Bar, whatever that was called. Sneaky candidate here is the King Mai Hotel for me. Oh, yeah. Oh. Single room occupancy. you know, single resident occupancy. Hour per rental.

1:06:26Bill Simmons:Great shot, Gordo Award, most cinematic shot. What do you got here? There's a bunch. Walter Hill's a G. There's a great shot of them coming up the hill in Jack's Caddy when they're pulling up to Reggie's car for the first time before it explodes. Nice wide shot. And there's like, for some reason, there's like spotlights going at the bottom of the hill in San Francisco. San Francisco's just such a beautiful cinematic city anyway. Yeah. as we will discuss in Zodiac, but that was just a great shot. There's a neat little shot when I think it's Reggie's getting out of jail to where they stop to talk and he shoots it from like behind.

1:07:01Between the bars. Yeah, low. Yeah, you're right. A low angle where it makes them look like they're having a conversation in prison. It's a good shot.

1:07:07Bill Simmons:I had that one. I also really like the slow-mo of Reggie getting shot and Keo kind of realizing what's happening in slow motion as he sees Reggie sinking down and then turning back to Jack. It's just like good slow-mo. Yeah. Very rarely do we have good slow-mo. Here's a new award. The Dorfler's Door Award for how much did that hurt? Named after Marvin Dorfler in Midnight Run, and they slammed the door. Getting a basketball whipped in your face like that from close range, which he does to him. Broken in the nose? Yeah, you're fucked. So it might have had him in the chin. I just feel like there's blood.

1:07:45Bill Simmons:Yes. I think that would really hurt. Nolte gets off pretty easy in this movie compared to what happened in the first one. The first one, he's bleeding out of every orifice by the end of that movie. And this one, he's just kind of like, ah. Yeah. We'll take a break and then Sierra's got to flex. This episode is brought to you by Viore. Look, I'm not a big, let's hype up, workout clothes guy, but Viore, I got to say, total game changer. Been wearing a lot. If you see me power walking around Los Angeles, probably going to see me wearing some Viore. Sunday performance joggers that they have. It's made with four-way performance stretch fabric.

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1:09:03This is one for the ages. Project Hail Mary, rated PG-13. May be inappropriate for children under 13. Now playing only in theaters. All right, CR, flex category. What do you got? I'm going to do a double here, but it's the same scene. It's the same. So I hope it's okay with you. The Sean Fennessy Award for Stealth Homage that Gives Every Movie Nerd a Criteria Orgasm for essentially redoing the opening of Once Upon a Time in the West with the bikers arriving at the bar in the beginning. Great. So Spaghetti Western opening. And then the Rick Kiketty Award Meat Award. Read the whole thing, please.

1:09:42The Rick Kiketty Guard Meat Award for Most Memorable Death by a Security Guard or Other Bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential but who probably had a spouse and kids who love him? Or her for the female cop that gets desert-eagled in the bar and gets blown through a window and it's just like, all right, that's the first scene in this movie.

1:10:03Bill Simmons:That's a great new word. I love that word. Two cops down. What about the poor bastard who's just coming out of his hotel room and takes four to the chest? He was just getting a hair job. Yeah, he's in there with one of the ladies. What kind of racket's going on out here? And then boom, boom, boom, boom, he's dead. Those are great ones. That was a mouthful. Sorry about that. Yeah. Is it Chicketti or Kicketti? Okay. Rick, let us know. I'm going to add here the Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. Cherry Gantz. What do you think? Five and a half? Six? I like him. Do we need more comedy from him? What was he missing?

1:10:40It's a little one note. I don't mean to dominate the floor here, but this is my hottest take. Oh, do it now. We got to get back to guys like Cherry Gantz. It was a deeply satisfying experience to watch just a truly psychopathic bad guy. Now I don't have to worry about his childhood or what he really wants in life or who hurt him. He's like, you killed my brother. I'm killing mad cops until I get to you. That was an awesome bad guy. So you'd go higher. It sounds like you'd go like eight. Yeah, I love Cherry. So angry. I thought I killed you. Like so angry. He wanted him fucking dead. Fucking dead.

1:11:17I killed you, babe. I killed you, babe. I'm like, God, it was like an opera.

1:11:21Bill Simmons:We're really talking ourselves into this movie. Was there a better title for this movie? Do we like Another 48 Hours as a title? Another 48 Hours colon Cherry's Revenge. Oh, I love a colon. How about 48 Hours 2? Well, I mean, another makes more sense than that. How about 48 More Hours? Well, if they knew that they were going to take the 48 Hours part out of the movie, I would have just called it Jack and Reggie 48 hours 2 Reggie gets out yeah that works Butch's girlfriend award week link of the film the plot's incoherent and we covered all the reasons why Jack can't find the Iceman for years but never suspects other cops Jack is such a fucking idiot Reggie's buddy got in jail the entire time nobody asked him Jack is dumb Jack is dumb Every time I get close The Iceman And Reggie realizes It's the two Reggie's like Hey Jack The Iceman is a cop I couldn't be a cop Reggie's like Idiot You deadass Like it's definitely a cop You're stupid as fuck Reggie's like 29 And he's been in jail For 10 years And he figures it out He figures it out In like a day It takes him a day To figure it out Also why wouldn't They just kill Jack It's like Jack's getting close Hey how about this Let's just shoot him In the head tomorrow Cool They'll kill everybody else They'll kill him What do you have for weak link?

1:12:43I had the Bernie Casey, Tisha Campbell part. Just felt like it was stapled on at the end. What about her? Tisha Campbell is one of... I have this argument about Tisha Campbell. Oh, boy. I think Tisha Campbell is one of the most important performers in black cultural history. She had a lovely episode of The Lowdown recently. See? Tisha Campbell has been so consistent over the decades. okay you can pop on Little Shop of Horrors oh look at that Tisha Campbell Martin throughout the 90s

1:13:18Bill Simmons:Boomerang House Party Boomerang you think about these fundamental parts of black cultural film stuff she's there pops up again my wife and kids alone now like Tisha Campbell has had a fantastic amazing career we don't appreciate her enough I just meant randomly endangering this woman at the end of it for no reason she was taken hostage yeah I get that And also, like, doesn't... Cherry kind of puts that one together pretty fast. Did you have a weak link or no? The story's the weak link. You know what I hate, though? There's one thing that I hate in the movie. So, because I know people. And I know people that work at places.

1:13:58Like Angel? Yeah. I know people that work at places. You know Angel North Beach? I've known a lot of Angels. Dancing up. A lot of different North Beaches. Except they're in North Beach. Dancing. He comes up to her. He goes, He's$75 ,000. She goes, If it comes from him It's probably got blood on it I don't want it That's not happening

1:14:16Bill Simmons:Taking it? That's not happening Okay $75 ,000 Hey man How's my dad doing? I appreciate it Give me the motherfucking money Get out the goddamn store Like every time I see something like that That's not I know the grandmamas The aunties The baby mamas All of that The$75 ,000 is being taken Yeah What's age the worst?

1:14:38Bill Simmons:I have a special What the hell were they thinking? piece for this where Jack goes to see Reggie in jail who's playing basketball and the scene's not good. How is that not a great scene? That should have been the best scene in the movie. They haven't seen each other in five years. What's aged the worst is the gap between the two movies. This movie needed to come out in 87 or 8 or something or 85. Yeah, I think that's fair. Why have them sing Roxanne again? They just do. There's a couple things they do in this movie. It's like, dude, it's almost a why didn't somebody on the set stop this award? Why isn't he singing When Doves Cry or something?

1:15:10Bill Simmons:Don't do Roxanne again. He already did that. Do you think this is a movie that they made and they were trying to make a movie where you didn't have to see the first one? Eddie's such a big star now that he's got like such an expanded... Yeah, but it wasn't like it was like... I'm asking, like... I think 48 Hours, everyone had seen this. It's not like 48 Hours was Rushmore. You know what I mean? But you see this movie at this particular time. 48 Hours. I just think it was lazy. I just think they were being lazy. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubin and Partridge overacting where it clearly goes to the hotel clerk in the Chinatown Hotel.

1:15:42Bill Simmons:She dials it up for two minutes. She goes for it. She's screaming. I would also go for Cherry when he sees that Jack isn't dead. He's going, fuck it, Ben. Fuck it, Ben. Ben, you have a flex. All right, another list. Another 48 Hours Award for Best Black Guy, White Guy, Action Comedy Duo. Okay. Okay. So we started at number five, Running Scared. That's the guy I put in there. I think this movie is criminally underrated. People don't talk about it. We did on the rewatchables. Number four, 48 Hours, Reggie and Jack. These are just duos. I would have that one, but go. You'd have that one. Yeah. There's only one one.

1:16:22Okay. Keep going. There's a clear one. Number three, I slid this one in here. I don't know if I can actually use it. I'm going Vincent Jules from Pulp Fiction. You can use it. Okay. Counting it. Vincent Jules, Pulp Fiction. It's a great one. A little bit of a stretch. No, not a stretch for me. Okay. Number two This is not an action But this is a comedy And this is one of the top White guy Black guy Duos In a comedy movie ever And this is Wesley Snipes And Woody Harrelson Yeah Sidney Dean And Billy And White Man Can't Jump Okay yeah Okay this is number two Number one is so fucking easy 48 hours?

1:16:59No It's Merton Riggs man It's Merton Riggs It's fucking over 48 hours Why fucking male did you do it? It's like It's I can't believe that he did it. A whole childhood with male and male threw it away. Lethal Weapon, Riggs and Murtaugh, by far, maybe the best black guy, white guy duo ever in anything. But the movie gets made because of 48 Hours. What difference does it make? Who set the prototype?

1:17:22Bill Simmons:Did you think about... That's why you think Kobe's better than MJ. Gene Wilder... I never said that. I do think MJ's better than Dr. J. Kobe's doing an MJ impersonation. I do think MJ's better than Dr. J. Well, you think Kobe's better than MJ? Is that something you think? No, he does. If you put like three... No. Three Pabst Blue Ribbons in him, I've never said that. North Beach. I do think MJ is better than Dr. J though. I think 48 Hours is Dr. J and Lethal Weapon is Michael Jordan. I'll accept the argument. I disagree, but it's fair. So you really don't think that Riggs and Murtaugh are number one?

1:17:52Bill Simmons:If you're going to put it like that, I see it. If you're going to make the 48 Hours is Dr. J, Did we do Lethal Weapon 2 yet for rewatchables? Yes. We haven't done three. There are a couple of honorable mentions. Django, Men in Black, a personal one for me that nobody cares about, The Last Boy Scout. We've done The Last Boy Scout. We care about The Last Boy Scout. I love The Last Boy Scout. And then one that no one ever brings up is Money Talks. I really feel like in Money Talks, Chris Tucker and Charlie Sheen have fantastic chemistry. It was a really good movie to me. I like it. It's a good list.

1:18:27So you wouldn't put Men in Black in there? Men in Black didn't make out. I was trying to think of what to take out for Men in Black.

1:18:34Bill Simmons:I wouldn't put Men in Black in there either. Men in Black could maybe bump out Running Scared, but I just think Running Scared is like a... Were you a Richard Pryor, Gene Walder guy? I was as a kid, but I don't think those movies have held up great. Silver Streak's okay. I would have added Crockett and Tubbs to that, and then I would have been able to move into Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx, which arguably could have been number two. If you're talking about overall duos, Crockett and Tubbs is way up there. This was a movie thing, but if you're talking about overall duos, Crockett and Tubbs, it's certainly the best on TV.

1:19:02Bill Simmons:I'm a fiend for Mojitos. it's a good list good list appreciate you guys the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award he already did his what do you got Van no hot takes I have one what's it this is my number one release the cut movie yeah I see release the Walter cut this is it what's your number one release the cut movie the cut that we've never seen well it got released the Snyder cut Snyder cut was my number one so you don't have a number one now I now have number one. I think of all of them, I've kind of seen them. But the number one was I wanted to see what Zach would have done.

1:19:39Make us a promise right now. When you know where the finish line is for you, and you're like, I think it's going to, I think I got a couple more years left. About 18 months out. Where am I going? Just make me a promise. You don't understand. You use the platform you have to get the another 48 hours. Why can't I do it now? Well, I don't know. I don't know if you've got the juice. Oh, hold on. Wait a second. Wow. Chris, What the fuck are we doing here? No, I see what he's doing. He's known me a long time. I'll tell you something, though. I know you've heard about this. We're in the midst of the re-apex.

1:20:11Of Bill? Yeah. You ever heard about this? Prove it, then. All I know is that Apex Bill Simmons should be able to get the Walter Hill cut of another 48 hours. The re-apex Bill can get this released. Craig just told me about this. Craig, you heard about the re-apex? Absolutely. Have Sarandos call Walter Hill and be like, name your price. This is Brady and his late 30s. That's what you're writing right now. This is it.

1:20:31Bill Simmons:the last three which Brady like the 28-3 Brady the Malcolm Butler game through the Falcons yeah re-apex so the re-apex would have to include a release the cut release the cut you can get it done my number two would be Eyes Wide Shut oh shit because I think we have a lot of evidence that there might have been a different version of that movie before Kubrick died and then God only knows what we ended up with but I think that would be number two for me what about anything else for you as far as director's cuts I feel like more often than not now we get the cuts it's funny one of the ones I always wanted was 54 because I kind of like that movie but that and it was supposedly like chopped to death like this movie oh 54 the Ryan Phillipe movie Mike Myers I want to suck your cock you remember that

1:21:30Bill Simmons:it's one of the funniest moments in a drama of all time this has been a weird episode you don't remember that I do for some reason I thought you were referring to the Roger Maris Mickey Mantle movie that's 61 Mike Myers freaks out and he comes on to what's his face he's counting the money he's drunk he's high It was a drama We saw it in Boston And the whole movie theater started laughing It was like one of those It's pretty hard for me to turn down a Studio 54 movie though Well that's why So they do the director's cut And you can get it on Amazon And there's like 12 more minutes And it supposedly ties together all this stuff It's like a B - I almost wish I never saw the director's cut The best director's cut I've ever seen Is Kingdom of Heaven 1 Oh well that changes the entire movie that makes the movie the movie was I already kind of fuck with it but that makes the movie into a fucking timeless epic when you watch the director's cut of it what a weird story by the way how could something like that happen to Ridley Scott I know well I mean it was to be fair like a 3 hour and 10 minute movie Proof of Life would be a good director's cut release to cut too well we'd find out what happened with Russell Crowe and Meg Ryan okay is there a scene about that?

1:22:49Bill Simmons:you're not even with me anymore on Proof of Life I am I feel like Sean, it's like... No, no. It's like, oh, I gotta suck up to Sean. You can't fucking say that. I was there with you on day one. Stuff of Legends. You know that I'm here with you. You wouldn't want two extra scenes? Of course I would, yeah. Were they shot, though? I can't even remember. Why would those two... Oh, they were definitely shot. Those got cut. Those two extra scenes would explain the infidelity that happened on set? Well, they... No, they would... Well, that's why they cut him. They cut... Okay, I don't know this. So, you know, he saves her husband in the movie, right?

1:23:21Bill Simmons:Does this whole thing. But he says goodbye to her when they're about to see David Morse, the guy that she's married to. And they have this moment and they kiss and it's clear like other stuff has happened that they cut out. And then it's like this whole like love triangle. But we never saw the scene that led up to the love triangle. Yeah. There's like, everything got cut. All of a sudden they have this tension. It's like, where's this come from? And it's because on the set, allegedly there was this affair. They started fucking. That's the most enduring thing about the movie is that... No, David Caruso is the most enduring thing about the movie.

1:23:51The most enduring. The phone legends. Do you know? Fucking, like, they changed the public's perception of Meg Ryan after that. Every single week, I look at the Just Watch website

1:24:03Bill Simmons:to see if Kiss of Death is on a streamer yet. And the answer is always no. That's a crazy fucking movie. Casting with Ifs. Don't really have any other than Frank McRae was in this and they caught him. Best that guy award, I can give you. So you think Brent Jennings is not of that guy? No, I think Brent Jennings is of that guy. I think Brian James is not of that guy. Brent Jennings I have, or the guy who plays Ben Cruz. Yeah. I don't even know what that guy's name is. Yeah, he pops up a lot. Yeah, he's been in a bunch of stuff. I'm going with Brent Jennings. Okay. Brent Jennings helped me in my career.

1:24:37Dion Waiters. Really? Really? One of my early successes at TMZ. Oh. Got Brent Jennings on the street. I asked him about a kid. in Arkansas. I don't know if you guys remember this story, but he was scoring too many touchdowns. And they made him stop scoring touchdowns. They said you can only score like five touchdowns in a game, and then he had to drop. I asked Brent Jennings about it. He got excited. He knew all about the story. Where did you find him? He was like walking around Beverly Hills. I was like, hey, did you hear about this kid? They won't let him score any more touchdowns or else the team has to.

1:25:06It's called the Madre Hill rule, like based on Madre Hill, who had gone to Arkansas. It's this big scandal. He knew all about it. He was excited to talk about it. Harvey was like, that kid's got to.

1:25:16Bill Simmons:Then he shot him in the air.

1:25:20Bill Simmons:damn waiters award Bernie Casey is the winner oh I have somebody else who do you have Kathy Haas for the Bar Stormers bartender he's like are you gonna tell me where I need to know or are you just gonna bitch a little bit more he's like I'm gonna bitch a little bit more that's pretty good I don't know I have Bernie Casey but that's not bad I can get you out there Reggie you will keep your word I love him in this he spoke like a Shakespearean like repay your debt to me. Yeah. Which thugs are... I would have watched the director's cut five more scenes of them. Recast the couch director of City. No.

1:25:58Bill Simmons:No. No. Walter Hill, San Francisco. Non-negotiables. Craig Flex category. Book about medals. Maladely best quote. I think there's some really good Eddie lines in this. I think he's very over the top angry and then he balances that with some good like restrained anger. There's like a lot of talk about the wrongful conviction stuff I think is good. There's a line in it where he says, if shit was worth something, poor people would be born with no assholes. Yeah. I thought that was a great quote. There's also a really good line where he and Bernie Casey are getting into a fight and they're like, what was that about?

1:26:28He's like, old football bet. That's a lot of good quotes.

1:26:32Bill Simmons:Eddie quotes. I like when he tells Jack to leave. He's like, we got to talk black people stuff. Yeah. He has a lot of good, it's like secretly pretty good advanced stats for Eddie in this movie. And Nolte's pretty good in that too. where he said, oh, okay. Half I started in research. So Reggie calls one of his friends in the movie, and the guy's name is Willie Biggs. In the original 48 Hours, that's what Reggie Hammond's name was going to be, and Eddie asked him to change it to a different name because he thought it was too intentionally black. So they settled on Reggie Hammond. Brought back Willie Biggs.

1:27:06Bill Simmons:So apparently there's some book called The Films of Eddie Murphy, and they have the original screenplay for this. What? And Jack's in a relationship with a female cop who later says she wants to plant a gun at the racetrack to clear his name. And then there's some other stuff, but you can find out what they had in the original screenplay. Do you have this book? I do not. Fuck. I was in the research. Apex Mountain. Eddie Noe. Nolte. Getting close. Getting closer than Nolte. Nolte re-Apex. Yeah, the re-Apex, yeah. Brian James? Probably, although much to his chagrin. I remember he I feel like I remember he was in a movie called Shocker.

1:27:46He was the star of the movie Shocker which was a Wes Craven movie. Oh. Horror movie.

1:27:51Bill Simmons:Frustrating action movie sequels. Is there a more frustrating but lovable movie than this that was an action movie? I mean frustrating but lovable. Yeah. I'd say Predator 2 is frustrating but lovable. Oh that's a good answer. But I got I'm in love with the fucking movie. Yeah. But it's like Predator 2 is I think we would have a great time doing Predator 2 as a rewatchable. Is this a pitch? Just saying. Danny Glover and Bill Paxton? You guys, I know that these movies aren't critically acclaimed, but these movies aren't bad. That movie is fun as fuck. It's weird. It's all out there. I refuse to try to act like Predator 2 sucks.

1:28:26That's a good movie.

1:28:27Bill Simmons:You're talking to a guy who did a two-hour podcast on species. Who were you talking to? Walter Hill, no. What did we decide Walter Hill's Apex Man was? Not the Warriors. 48 hours or warriors? 48 hours probably. Probably 48 hours. Cruz or Hanks? Wait. Apex Mountain for guys flying through windows after being shot by a handgun. Doesn't get any better than this. There's a lot of them in this movie. And they take off like 20 feet. You know, like you get shot twice and you're just like flying across a bar and out of play glass of window. It's like Shea Gojus Alexander driving into the paint, flying backwards.

1:29:07You're already starting the agenda.

1:29:08Bill Simmons:Yeah. Cruiser Hanks Hanks as Jack is that what we're talking Hanks as Reggie Cruz as they don't work it doesn't work doesn't work so we have to pick though you do Hanks as Reggie are we Nolte or Eddie who are we picking no it has to be the Nolte part I'd say Hanks it can't be neither one of those guys can do that it's got to be you have to pick what about Hanks as Iceman no it's got to be the lead okay dude You can't just be You can't just be You know what this is There's only one other time I've seen you like this Fantasy football The podcast? No like the whole fantasy football debacle That happened this year Where you caused a crash out Heifetz caused a crash out Heifetz sent a dissertation about a minor issue Sean stormed out of the text thread That fucking hysterical He's like whatever Sean goes, let me show you.

1:30:09Sean Finnecy has left the chat. It is one of his funniest moves when he leaves the chat.

1:30:14Bill Simmons:That was hysterical. All right, so we'll go with Hanks. Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Scorsese. Best hang, worst hang? Probably Cherry Gans for worst hang. I feel like the Brent Jang's character is the most like... Decent hang. Yeah, he's the most normal person. Go to Vegas with him? Yeah. Hey, man. Angel. That's the best hang, baby. Angel, best hang. Angel's the best hang. She's up in North Beach. She's up in North Beach. I think if you're hanging out with Angel, you run the risk of running into Cherry. That could get complicated. I think it's worth it. You always run that risk, though. Angel.

1:30:49Bill Simmons:Worst hang, Cherry Gantz. Yeah, Cherry's too intense. Hey, did you see the Phillies game today? I gotta kill Cobb! Fuck you! Terrible tattoo on him. Yeah. The teardrop? Sloppy teardrop. It's way too big. It's like kind of in front of his... Well, he wasn't doing it for clicks. He was doing it because he put bodies away, man. He's a body man, baby. Yeah, there was no IG likes back then, man. He wouldn't have gotten any. We've covered a lot of picky nits already. It's a lot of them. Reggie does shoot a guy in the knee at the bar after having just got out of jail and it's fine. Nothing happened. Assault with a deadly weapon.

1:31:23Feels like that would have been something. One of the nits that I picked here is one of the... This is one of the top nits that I've ever picked in anything. Anything. There's a gunfight happening. I know that the Asian hotel clerk lady, I know she's a handful. I know she's a piece of work. There's a gunfight happening. She runs up to bitch Nick Nolte out during the gunfight. People are getting one guy screaming, I'm going to kill you, big. She runs. They're busting at each other going crazy. She's still subtle. You guys are making too much noise. She runs up there to bitch out Nick Nolte while the gunfight is happening.

1:32:05It makes zero fucking sense. Almost every revolver in this movie has 14 bullets.

1:32:11Bill Simmons:That is weird. So how many realistically, I will ask American Sniper over here, how many can you realistically get off? Six. Is there an eight? Can you pull off eight with a gun? What are you talking about? Are there guns where there's eight in the chamber? At what point, Cherry Gant shoots 13 shots in a row. Cherry's got a clip, but Jack and Hickok. Or Cherry's body, one of those guys. Jack has a revolver They reload a couple of times But this was a trope in 80s movies They just did not care Now, like legitimately You see John Wick walking through the thing Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, boom, boom He cycles the reference He reloads it But in the 80s They just didn't give a fuck about that Maybe that was the most 1990 thing about this movie It's just never caring about reloading Yeah So Brent Jennings Shot to death In a police morgue Getting ID'd Like two seconds later we lose all concept of time in this movie isn't it the bike Malcolm Price so Malcolm Price they ID him all of a sudden we lose 10 hours and there's no nobody goes to sleep in this movie one of the scenes that got cut out apparently is like Nolte getting to Malcolm Price's house I think he's just in the morgue Nolte is involved in what the investigators think is a bad shoot and he goes to trial immediately.

1:33:29Normally there's an administrative leave. One day later. There's a whole thing. There's a hashtag. It's that morning. There's all kinds of shit that has. But he goes. Hashtag free Jack. Hashtag free Jack.

1:33:39Bill Simmons:There's a whole thing, but he goes to trial immediately. Two more pick and nits for me. So Jack is a virulent racist in the first movie. Yes. And then he said he quit drinking. So did he also quit being a racist? Why not mention that? The two would be tied together is the implication, right? Or did he learn his lesson by the end of 48 Hours when he apologizes to Reggie at Torchy's? Now, is it? He was done with racism at that point, or did it still seep out a couple times? I bet it was conditional. I mean, it's a different time, but it's conditional. It would have been interesting if they had done a movie in 1985 if he had still been a racist.

1:34:12Bush presidency, maybe, helped him? He still turned his back on Reggie. Still left Reggie in the fucking slammer. Didn't even come to visit him. That's true. That's what you guys do. All right, my biggest pick in there.

1:34:25Bill Simmons:Cherry Gans? Yeah. the fuck name is that? Yeah, I don't know. The other guy's name is Albert. Why is this guy's name like Hacksaw? I imagine it's Brad Gans and he just cherries his nickname, but I don't know what that comes from. What mean biker is nicknamed Cherry? Like Cherry Gans should be dancing in North Beach with Angel. Yeah. That's not like a bad guy's name. I guess the question is if you saw him and you heard the name, would you step? Would you be like, yo, that's a bitch name? No, because he would just shoot me and I'd go backwards. Which is why you're not going to do shit, which is why he could be Cherry.

1:34:57His real name is Richard. Richard Gans. Dick Gans. Nicknamed Cherry. Dick Gans. Dick Gans. Dick Gans. Dick. Dickie. Say it again. What did they say in 54? What did he say? What did Mike Myers say? I already did it.

1:35:12Bill Simmons:This is the call. You're trying to ditch me. I'm not trying to get there. They already got it. We captured lightning in a bottle. You don't have to make him do it again. It's already on Instagram. Don't worry. Yeah. Fuck.

1:35:24God damn it. Tragically, Bill Simmons' podcasts were canceled by Netflix the next day.

1:35:29Bill Simmons:Sequel, prequel, prestige, TVL, blackcasts are untouchable. I would have done a third one. Hold on, I got to say something. That would be a mistake by Netflix. Yeah, he's re-apexing. What Netflix should do is they should cut that. And then they should put, do you want to know what movie Bill Simmons is talking about sucking cock in? Monday. Monday. Yeah. I would have done a third 48 hours over a third Beverly Hills Cop. What if... I think Nolte was hot, as Van described earlier, from 1993. Cop comes out in like 94, the third one. I just would have rather done 48 hours. There's just an obvious...

1:36:09You got to put Nolte in the bing. You put Jack in prison, and he gets brought out for 48 hours, and Reggie is the one helping him. Do you flip it? Eddie's the big star. I have something about that

1:36:19Bill Simmons:for unanswerable questions. Okay. But before we do that, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores. By the way, CR, Kyle Brandt loved Fergie the Flores so much did it for just one of the guys. Fantastic. In your honor. Or somebody else. Who do you have, CR? I got Tom Brady analyzing Angel doing both of those guys. Oh, shit. Well, KB, first Hickok had his way with Angel, and now you got a question. Does she have enough in the tank for Cherry? you always run into that with Eskimo brothers

1:36:59two talented lovers KB excited to see what happens next just so impressed with her stamina KB she's been dancing in North Beach all day absolute talent

1:37:10Bill Simmons:KB with the cold weather you have to change how you dance in the cage to use your tiptoes just one Oscar who gets it. The stunts. The stunts are great in this movie. The stunts are awesome. And I think it won the award for best stunts of 1990. Honestly, we should make an Oscar for best motorcycle driving and it should be for this movie. Yeah. Probably unanswerable questions. So, sometimes they'll do this in a movie where it's like, Angel, she's the best. They did this in the Gold Club trial. Remember the Gold Club trial? They had the stripper in the Gold Club trial. They said it was the Michael Jordan of strippers.

1:37:48Bill Simmons:I just always wonder how the reputation first gets earned and then spreads. You do wonder that? Yeah, I do. You really have to stand out. So Angel just apparently... I don't know if Vanna had any thoughts. What are you Googling? Something different. Just for strippers? Angels, they're talking about... What are the measurables for strippers? What's the advanced analytics? But they're different disciplines, right? So if you're talking about a stage dancer, if you're talking about a lap dance, there's that if they're talking about her I mean there's different disciplines right? it's like they're five tools strippers they're talking a little extra they're talking cage dates they're talking a little bit extra like what she does up there but then how that translates to some extracurriculars after hours yeah but those guys are definitely talking about legitimately which strippers grind on you and get your shit off that's probably what Patrick Ewing was into so here's what I would have done for this movie unanswerable tell me if this would have been better 48 Hours 2 it starts Reggie owns Vromans Vromans the boy bookstore?

1:38:49Bill Simmons:No, the bar in 48 Hours 1. Oh, okay. The bar when he's like, when he meets Olivia Brown and is dancing with Aaron, Jack comes in near the end. Okay. He's like, of course you don't know about this place. It's popular with the brothers. He owns Romans. He bought it. He's now buddies with Jack. Jack gets framed for a murder by Gans' biker gang. Goes to jail. Reggie has to mortgage Romans for like 72 hours to get him to find the biker gang. We flip it. Jack's the one in jail. Reggie has money. Reggie's now helping him. But he's got something on line because he mortgaged a bar. I think it's a better movie.

1:39:28It's not bad.

1:39:29Bill Simmons:100%. I don't know that it's vampires and like prison fans. So maybe that should have been three. Yeah. So you want to keep the Western Brotherhood in the mix though? Yeah, I like the biker gang. Me too. Yeah, they have to bring him back. What piece of memorabilia would you want to have? I have an unanswerable question. Oh, what do you got? Which is a better movie? Lawyer and Lace or Fleshpot? saw that on the Chinatown porn theater. Probably Fleshpot. It depends on how much of a plot guy you are. What won the AVN that year? Well, if you're into plot, then it's got to be Lawyer and Lace. I'm saying it depends.

1:40:04It's really a taste thing. If it's usually going straight Gonzo, Fleshpot. I would go Fleshpot if it's just Gonzo. You know what I mean?

1:40:16Bill Simmons:The piece of memorabilia you'd want or not want from this movie? Probably the motorcycle. Gans' motorcycle. Gans' motorcycle was cool. I loved Reggie's car, man. I know we're not allowed to pick cars, but what about the Jax? There's one brief moment where he's staring at that pen that has the naked woman on it that reveals herself when the ink goes down. That's right. I thought that was kind of fun. The Jax lighter, Reggie's Walkman, all that stuff. Oh, the lighter would be good. Yeah, the James Brown tape. I'd want the James Brown tape. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award, best worst life lesson.

1:40:46Bill Simmons:Craig already did it. If shit was worth something, the poor people who borrowed no assholes. Best double feature choice, 48 hours? Sure. I went Tangle in Cash. Yeah, spiritually it's probably more related. Then who won the movie? Eddie Murphy. Eddie won. Craig, what do you got? This is not a complicated rewatchable at all to me. To be honest, I enjoyed this more than the first one. Wow. Told you. I saw the first one because you guys did the original like in 2017. Early. Really early. Pre-categories. I was not producing the show. so I just watched it on my own a few years ago. I thought it was okay.

1:41:20I thought it was slow. Not nearly as funny as it should have been for how, like, it's quite racist, obviously, but I didn't think it was that funny. And I was just like, I was like, I don't really get the appeal to this. Like, it's not even that funny. It's quite racist, obviously. This one cuts out all that. And to me, I thought it was funny. I thought it was really enjoyable. And it's just, as Van outlined in his, top five buddy cop thing. It's just something that works. If you get two charismatic people, it's 100 minutes. They're in a city. They're running around. It plays all the way up through the nice guys.

1:41:56What are we fucking... When's the last solid black guy, white guy pairing that we've had? Oh, shit.

1:42:02Bill Simmons:I would do that guy. I'm starting to really... Like the guy who's on SNL now, Cam Patterson. Cam Patterson, yeah. Him as a cop with somebody else. I saw a little glimmer of... Him as a cop. That I think... Nah, we ain't putting him as a cop. Somebody enterprising... Or maybe he's... But maybe he's the Reggie Hammond type role. It could be Shane Gillis in somebody or something like that. Could be. Okay. I think Cam is fucking hysterical. Shane gets... Oh, I got one. I got it. You put Cam with Timmy. Tim Robinson? No. Chalamet. You put Cam with Timmy Chalamet. I'm telling you. Well, I mean, you could put...

1:42:37Chalamet is the answer to every movie question. But the point is, in this one, you're going to put... You're going to make... Either you subvert it, and you go like, Timmy's like straight up the straight lace when Cam gets to go crazy or you really fuck with the audience. You make Cam play it straight and you let Timmy go fucking wild. And you put those guys together. I think you've already overthought this. Nolte and Eddie Murphy were major stars. This is why I was kind of thinking because of the actors on actors videos. It would have to be like Michael B. Jordan and Shane Gillis. It would be Michael B.

1:43:05Jordan and Jesse Plemons. Michael B. Jordan's just like having fun for a month on set. He's like, fuck it, I'll just do this. See if it's Michael B. Jordan. But did you see Michael B. Jordan with Jesse Plemons in the actors on actors videos? I did.

1:43:15Bill Simmons:he's never really unleashed that in a movie Jesse Plymouth is funny in Daylight yeah so Jesse stars need to be more comfortable making movies like this because it's fun now do you do you go generational here because a lot of these movies that we're talking about besides the white man can't jumps and stuff like that there's an age gap and that age gap kind of builds into the comedy so you could go if you're going to do MBJ you can go a little older if you want it that's right MBJ Robert Downey do we have confirmation on him doing Miami Vice yet? no Him and Austin Butler? I don't know what happened.

1:43:48I really tried to wish that into existence and I don't know what's going on. I don't know if Austin Butler works for me for that. For Crockett?

1:43:55Bill Simmons:Yeah, I don't think so. Who works? I need him a little older. I don't know if he's old enough yet. I also, I need to know if Austin Butler is okay not taking himself seriously in a movie. Well, Sonny Crockett's kind of a… I mean, he doesn't really take Elvis. Like, you think he takes himself seriously in Elvis? Well, it's a very serious role that he really commits to. I want to see him like loose and having fun. Oh yeah. He's pretty loose. Crockett's kind of a dour guy though. Like Crockett's not like Craig was an actor. Oh. I was. You didn't see my work? I haven't. Nationwide commercial? 2016?

1:44:29Yeah. Gruden Grinder. Well then why don't you fucking do it then? It's you and MBJ. I'm waiting. Waiting for the call. Bring your films. I gotta think of who it would be. But like they haven't done it in a while. But like Michael B. Jordan would be great. He's a big star. Django maybe? He's charismatic. Now more than ever, we just need people to be together. And just make the same jokes. Make the jokes. Like, make them. I remember White Man Can't Jump. There's like a… The whole thing is directly… Just have the fun. We know.

1:44:55Bill Simmons:It's never failed where the people don't like each other for the first 40 % of the movie and have to learn to work together. And then by the end, they'll like each other. Yeah. I'm going to like that every time. I don't really care who the two people are. Just keep… I even like The Heat with Melissa McCarthy and Sandra Bullock. Sure. I thought that was good. It's a good movie. It's funny. Opposites do attract. The Heat's good. You like The Heat? Yeah. The other guys. Funny. Works. That's it for the rewatchables. CR. Another great one from you. I thought we all elevated each other.

1:45:29You never cease to surprise me, Bill. Make a prediction. Who's going to win the national championship tonight? Well, but this is running on Wednesday. I know, but it'll be a nice little time capsule.

1:45:37Bill Simmons:I actually really think Miami's going to win. I don't know why. I just think it'll open up this whole door to how long should somebody stay in college football with Carson Beck, who's, I think, my age. That's funny. Bro, Indiana's whole team. Is 25. Yeah. Every single one of them, man. Extras and the first girls. Thanks, Van. No problem. Thanks, CR. Did you say extras and the first? In, like, the season? And Eduardo. Thank you, Eduardo. Thanks, Eduardo. And Zodiac is coming up next. You have a week to watch it. See you guys. Gotta go watch that.

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