‘Crazy, Stupid, Love’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Mina Kimes

6:57Bill Simmons:one of the Apple ones they what is it

7:00Van Lathan:it's a TV show about a depressed spy that like 50 people have seen and you will love it

7:04Bill Simmons:who's in it

7:06Van Lathan:the guy from For All Mankind who's from New Zealand whose name is Casey. Anyway, sorry.

7:10Bill Simmons:Patriot. Patriot. There's some Apple show they did when we were doing like WeWork and we were doing all the different scandals. They might have done the WeWork one. They did one of them and it was good. We crashed, yeah. I love Focus. We've already done it on Rewatchables. They have a specific style that you know it when you see it. I don't really know how they do it, but you kind of know when it's their thing. So even when they did Paradise, you can kind of feel their special sauce. Steve Carell, 2004 to 2011. Anchorman, 40-Year-Old Virgin, The Office, and Little Miss Sunshine all in like two years.

7:41Bill Simmons:Like it's just happening. He's going for it. Then a little bit of a slump. Evan Almighty, Dan in Real Life, Get Smart, Date Night, Dinner for Schmucks. And this becomes kind of his little bit, I don't want to say comeback because he's doing well, obviously. But he hadn't had a, there was questions about could this guy be the lead of a movie?

7:57Van Lathan:Don't knock Get Smart. Get Smart, no.

7:59Bill Simmons:I'm going to knock it. You like it though? Yeah, Get Smart's really good.

8:01Van Lathan:Date Night's not bad. Yeah, Date Night's not bad either with Tina Fey.

8:03Mina Kimes:These are good movies, but to the overall point is that, like, we knew that we liked Steve Carell as this thing. And then the question kind of was, like, could Steve Carell, even directly with Evan Almighty, could, like, Steve Carell be Jim Carrey? Could he be a$20 or$25 million movie lead of these gigantic comedy things? And the answer kind of ended up being a little bit of a no. However, when he is properly cast And given the opportunity to do the Steve Carell thing He is as uniquely entertaining as a performer as we have But what's the Steve Carell thing though? I think that's the thing I've never fully figured out The Steve Carell thing to me is being an emotional, decentered, hilarious character Like when you look at the 40 year old version that character is emotionally frazzled, right?

9:02And in that emotional de-centering,

9:05Mina Kimes:that's where the comedy comes from. In this one too, in this movie, he's like off kilter. He's knocked off base early on by this revelation. Yeah, he sure is.

9:14Van Lathan:He literally rolls out of a car. Yeah, he rolls out of a car when Marissa Tomei steps out.

9:21Mina Kimes:He goes, what the hell? Like, it's hysterical, like watching that. because he's a very likable guy.

9:28Van Lathan:Yeah, I would say this movie also touches on two very unique Steve Carell qualities. One of which is he's secretly good-looking. He's handsome. And after the makeover, you as the audience see it. It works because he is actually a good-looking man.

9:45Bill Simmons:Yeah.

9:46Van Lathan:Which is kind of the joke of the 40-year-old version, too, and some of his other comedic roles. And then there's like an innate goodness to him. Like, you never doubt this entire movie that he's a good person who loves his wife. and a lot of those comedians don't have that characteristic and it allows him to sell everything.

10:01Bill Simmons:Little Miss Sunshine's, he's good, like that's a good example of, he's good at like, my life got really fucked up and I don't know what happened, but you're still rooting for him and you don't think he's a fuck up. It's a hard balance to pull off. Yeah, I mean. It's like, I feel like something, this guy got sidetracked, but I still believe in something about him and I don't know why.

10:19Mina Kimes:So like, take a movie like Liar Liar. That movie's a big deal, but in that film, Jim Carrey's got to be an asshole for a little while. Yeah. And then he's got to learn his lesson and whatever. Like, it's difficult to see Steve Carell. He's done this because he tried to make a couple of movies where this was a thing. It's difficult to see Steve Carell as like a character that you don't really like.

10:38Van Lathan:We watched The Morning Show. Yeah. Bill and I did. Did you watch The Morning Show? I did and it doesn't quite work.

10:43Bill Simmons:That wasn't his fault because they created that show and started making it and then Me Too and all the shit went down and they had to like shift his character on the fly. I don't know if he signs up for that show if he knows where it was actually heading?

10:55Van Lathan:It's so weird. Because he's had other serious roles, and I think a lot of them have worked. But serious and being a bad person just doesn't work on him.

11:03Bill Simmons:He was like, can you just kill me off in a car accident in episode nine? They're like, yeah, Steve, you're out. Don't worry.

11:07Mina Kimes:And when you think about it, he's like the perfect guy to play that. Because he has morning show host energy. I just didn't buy him as the bad guy.

11:16Bill Simmons:What's your Steve Carell relationship, Craig?

11:18David Lindhagen:I mean, he's like the tip of the mountaintop. I mean, in high school, he's on The Office. he's the most important person on television probably for my generation. Just like the most lovable guy in the world. And can do both things. I mean, I started out with him on Anchorman and 40 Old Virgin and all that stuff. Pretty remarkable that he can play Brick Tamlin and then be incredibly believable as like a pathetic dad trying to get his life together. And you totally believe both.

11:41Bill Simmons:We should have mentioned The Office. I mean, that's his... Well, because it was a hangover when you saw him in a movie. The Office was such a big show.

11:48Van Lathan:Is he one of the rare TV stars who are so associated with one character who have then gone on to have a successful film career.

11:57David Lindhagen:Yeah, he's not typecast. He's not George Costanza as Michael Scott.

12:01Bill Simmons:I feel like this... Ted Danson had trouble breaking out of this when Cheers became massive and they kept trying to work him into movies. And it really wasn't until Curb Your Enthusiasm that he kind of broke away from Cheers. But it took a while. Sometimes it's hard. Corral was in so many movies that I felt like he was able to juggle it. but The Office meant so much to so many people. You know what's funny? I never watched it.

12:25Van Lathan:You've never seen The Office?

12:26Mina Kimes:I've seen The Office, but I didn't watch it. I never really watched it either. Legitimately, what I just said, you almost proved that wrong because that character is kind of an asshole, right?

12:37Van Lathan:No. He's very... He's incompetent? He's an oath.

12:42Bill Simmons:Yes, but you're rooting for him. He's a really good dude. What was your Ryan Gosling relationship from 2004 to 2011, either of you?

12:52Mina Kimes:So it's Ryan Gosling is this is my guy. Wow. Yeah. You know, blue chips. Tony was my guy. It's my guy. That's my guy. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Get out of here. Ryan Gosling is my guy. So I, first of all, was like pleasantly surprised by Ryan Gosling. Yeah. Because I watch half. You see him in all of these movies, right? He's kind of dopey and remember the Titans and all of that stuff like that. You know, his face. Notebook was the first time.

13:19Bill Simmons:It's like, oh, the guy from Remember the Titans.

13:21Mina Kimes:He's really good. He's going to carry a movie. That was a great breakout role, yeah. And then, half Nelson. I go, wait a second. Such a good movie. Oh, well, he is a fucking phenomenal actor. Yeah. Then when you watch his rise, he, for a time, for me, isn't missing on everything.

13:36Bill Simmons:Fracture, Lars and the Real Girl, Blue Valentine. Blue Valentine. Tough date movie.

13:40Mina Kimes:Yeah, that was a tough one. The Place Beyond the Pines, which is a movie that's way up in my pantheon, but like everybody else kind of passes it. That's how he met

13:49Van Lathan:Eva Mendes, right? How he met Eva Mendes.

13:52Bill Simmons:And then, handsome couple.

13:53Van Lathan:Oof, yeah.

13:54Bill Simmons:Yeah, super handsome. Yeah, by the time... 2011 is Drive and Crazy Stupid Love, same year. And that felt like it cemented him as... This is a leading guy now.

14:02Mina Kimes:That combo?

14:04Bill Simmons:Yeah.

14:04Mina Kimes:That combo... Hard to pull up. Coolest white boy in the world.

14:07Bill Simmons:Yeah.

14:08Mina Kimes:Like, Drive, where he doesn't say anything and he commands the movie.

14:13Bill Simmons:Yeah.

14:13Mina Kimes:This film, where he's rolling off one-liners left and right, and he commands the movie, he could do either thing.

14:19Van Lathan:This is his movie. Yeah. I'll just start here. I agree. Steve Carell is the lead. He's on the poster. We start by talking about him. But Ryan Gosling steals this movie and runs away with it. And when I think about the iconic scenes, except for the one at the end, which is everybody, it's Gosling scenes in this movie.

14:35Bill Simmons:Yeah. This lays the groundwork for the next 15 years. I mean, you could make a case. He's the second most famous actor right now. You know what? It's a case. Of the under 50s? He is both...

14:50Mina Kimes:He was the guy at one point that everybody wanted to get to get their movie greenlit. There's actually this... If you couldn't get Leo, he might have been one of the next calls,

14:59Bill Simmons:if not the next call.

15:00Mina Kimes:There's this documentary called Seduce and Abandoned, which is like...

15:05Van Lathan:About the...

15:07Mina Kimes:It's the film festival. It's James Tobeck and Alec Baldwin. I remember this. Remember this?

15:14Bill Simmons:James Toback, controversial figure.

15:16Mina Kimes:Controversial figure. Controversial figure. They're trying to get a movie made. And they're talking about how hard it is to get an independent film made. And it's legitimately a segment in the documentary that is dedicated to Ryan Gosling. Because they're talking about, they're asking people around, hey, if there's one guy you would want in your movie to get your movie made, to get the movie made, and everyone answers Ryan Gosling all at the same time. And then they interview Ryan Gosling and then talk about it. he never quite was able to live up to that promise. I don't think he wanted to. It always felt like he wanted to make weird movies that were on the show.

15:49Van Lathan:He's made a lot of interesting career choices. Right.

15:51Mina Kimes:It seems like only now when you see Barbie and now he's doing Star Wars and stuff like that that he's trying to get to that.

15:59Van Lathan:Isn't it crazy though? Like Barbie and this movie to me are his two best movies. Even though he's had more award-winning type performances. and they're not movies where he is the quote unquote main character and he steals both of them. Which is like what a testament to his abilities.

16:15Bill Simmons:The old Brad Pitt move just coming in.

16:17Van Lathan:As the second guy and then...

16:19Bill Simmons:I think Drive is the best movie he's ever been in. He never did the thing. It's good. I just think performances

16:25Van Lathan:he just glowers the whole time.

16:27Bill Simmons:Drive is a force of nature. We respect the movies where it's like this movie doesn't work unless the guy can carry that a lot. Yeah. And that's what's good about Drive. The thing with him though I always wonder there's the two paths right you can go weird movies bounce around being a good one every once in a while being the weird indies and then there's like the Leo path where you just go I am going straight through with good directors and I'm just going to go from big movie to big movie and work with all the best people and that's going to be my career I don't feel like he did that I think he went the other way where he's like oh I like the script yeah fuck it but La La Land is when uh That's when it, I think, goes to another level for him because he's capitalizing on the chemistry that he had already built.

17:12Bill Simmons:With our next person to talk about Emma Stone.

17:15Van Lathan:Can I, I mean...

17:17Bill Simmons:Unofficial sequel.

17:18Van Lathan:Drop potentially my hottest take about Crazy Stupid Love. Go for it. Well, it's about La La Land. Their chemistry in this movie is so much better than La La Land. And I would argue the romantic scene in this movie is better than any scene in La La Land. Wow. Just saying. La La Land slander. Just saying.

17:34Bill Simmons:I don't disagree.

17:35Van Lathan:Just say, the scene, which I'm sure we're going to spend a lot of time talking about, between the two of them, which I think is one of the best romantic comedy scenes of the last 20 years, is better than that movie. They're great in that movie, but they are electric in this movie.

17:48Bill Simmons:I don't know what his thing is, but if I had to guess, I think he's really good at having chemistry with whoever he's doing a scene with. If I had to put it in a nutshell, then you can throw him in with anybody, and he can somehow vibe, and you can see it in this movie. Whoever he's in a scene with, it kind of works. and all the even all the people in the bar like everyone he's with yeah he just has a way of like bringing out whatever the best is emma stone 07 11 super bad ghost of girlfriends past i don't know

18:17Van Lathan:are you in that on that movie that's the matthew yeah my wife kind of likes that yeah zombie land

18:21Bill Simmons:easy a and uh crazy stupid love and then she's off after this yeah one of the defining performers

18:30Mina Kimes:of her generation. I want to shout out the nice guys too. Another Gosselin classic.

18:34Van Lathan:Oh my God.

18:36Mina Kimes:But yeah, she becomes like, I always thought, you know, I thought she was going to do like a Julia Roberts thing. I thought that was going to be the deal. She's doing more of a Meryl Streep thing. She's doing more of a Meryl Streep thing. She did more of a Meryl Streep thing. She did more of a beloved, elevated, serious, dramatic actress. We'll take some swings, but she can also be in a movie like this. Also, give you something breezy. That's fun.

18:59Van Lathan:I wonder if she had never met Yorgos I wish I could go back in time and stop it You don't like those movies?

19:07Bill Simmons:I don't I love the favorite

19:09Van Lathan:You don't like the favorite? I don't like Yorgos

19:11Bill Simmons:You don't like Yorgos at all? The Lobster? I don't like certain things The Lobster's so good I don't like Truffles I don't like Yorgos Yeah, it's tough It's fine It's tough for you

19:22Van Lathan:Zombieland, Sneaky Underrated Have you seen that? Love Zombieland So good, right? Love Zombieland So good But she is like a legitimately, to me, a 24-karat gold performer.

19:34Mina Kimes:She can be super, she can be like really cute. Like there's a moment in this film where in the dirty dancing scene where she has to play like she's completely.

19:46Van Lathan:Like a knife.

19:47Mina Kimes:Like she's like, she doesn't know what she's doing. She doesn't know where she's at. And the vulnerability that she's able to put on the screen. Yeah. It's like cute and funny and endearing.

19:56Van Lathan:Would you say it's the perfect combination of sexy and cute? It is.

19:58Mina Kimes:It is. You see why he falls in love with her. And she can do that,

20:02Bill Simmons:and then she can be deadly effective and sexy as well. I did this thing for Ease Pin the Magazine like 15, 16 years ago about trying to use advanced metrics for actors with the Oscars to try to prove Meryl Streep was by far the best actor ever. And I had this point system, and it was seven points for a Best Actor or Actress win, three for a nomination, three for best supporting actor actress wins and then one for nomination and Meryl Streep right now is 65 points which is 13 more than everybody Catherine Hepburn's next I mention this because Emma Stone is now at 19 yeah she's gonna get there and anyone who gets into the 20s is basically like immortal actors so even like Robert Duvall who had this awesome period he's only at 17 Kate Winslet's at 17 Glenn Close is at 16 but like Francis McDormand's 24 for Sissy Space X 22.

20:56Bill Simmons:The point is, she's not even 40 yet.

20:58Van Lathan:Right.

20:59Bill Simmons:And is probably going to have, I'm sure she'll be in five, six more nominated movies at least.

21:04Van Lathan:So she's like the Mahomes to Meryl Streep's Brady. Are you comfortable? I think she's a generational... Not to complicate it for you.

21:12Bill Simmons:No, if you say like, if Meryl Streep is Brady in this scenario, like she might be Mahomes.

21:18Van Lathan:Yeah.

21:18Bill Simmons:Like the track record she has early with these award winning Renomination movies. It's pretty crazy. Sorry, man.

21:24Mina Kimes:No, you, that's, I just, it's funny that that's exactly what she said, and then you, it was, that was a funny Bill moment right there. Did you guys pick that up? I'm not defending Brady as much as I used to.

21:34Bill Simmons:No, no.

21:35Van Lathan:I was trying to troll him into getting defensive of Meryl by transitive. I'll be honest. She said that, and then you came back and you went,

21:43Mina Kimes:she might be Mahomes, as if it was a completely original thought. I like, but that's your move. I learned that from you.

21:50Van Lathan:I've been on sports television so long That doesn't even register Somebody just taking your point I'm like great point It's part of my DNA

22:00Bill Simmons:I think I might like Meryl Streep more than Tom Brady At this point By the way

22:05Mina Kimes:This is something You're talking about a lot To us but I'm waiting for you I did a little bit of it publicly

22:14Bill Simmons:He's getting on your nerves bro Show some respect to people who stuck up for you for 20 fucking years. Just show a little respect.

22:22Mina Kimes:It can't be like that meant nothing. Yo, I want you guys to understand, Bill is really nonplussed about this. Like, this is really bothering me. None of the Pats fans

22:32Bill Simmons:like it.

22:32Mina Kimes:Hey, when Emma Stone won that second Oscar, when she came back and she won that second one. For Poor Things. For Poor Things, yeah. When that happened, I was like, because I thought that the town might be hesitant to make that kind of statement about her career. I thought they were allowed. I thought she wins. She comes back. I'm like, she wins another one?

22:56Bill Simmons:Well, she'll never win a third one unless it's one of the great performances of all time. The third one is like, they'll just vote against it. They don't want to.

23:03Mina Kimes:But the second one too, I mean, besides like Hillary Swank, which is a very interesting career to have two Best Actress Academy Awards. That's the Eli Manning.

23:11Van Lathan:Yeah, that's the Eli Manning. I'm so NFL brain. That was the best mailbag question

23:15Bill Simmons:I've gotten in two years. Is Yorgos her Tyree kill

23:19Van Lathan:where she now has to do it without him to register on the same Brady scale? Because she's been racking up the awards and the accolades with Yorgos.

23:29Bill Simmons:But she... Who won for La La Land? To La La Land. Yeah, she won for La La Land. That wasn't Yorgos. Okay. I have a hottest take I'm just going to do now. And we'll do the category. You guys can go later. I thought mine was hot. Yours was good. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. I got a hottest take too. early 2000s Emma Stone were right in this like EZA crazy stupid love.

23:50Van Lathan:Super bad.

23:51Bill Simmons:If you think of like the great actors or the people with the potential like you would with like basketball or football players, you could just tell like one of the great lottery picks. This to me was like when you when you could see like Mahomes early or like or like LeBron in 05. You're like, wow, we're really going to go on a ride here. And I was trying to think of other actors that felt that way that I'm alive enough to remember. and I probably didn't remember it, but I think people felt this way, but like when Meryl Streep was in Deer Hunter and Kramer vs. Kramer and people were like, wow, there's some shit that's going to go down.

24:27Van Lathan:Are we saying Easy A is her Kramer vs.

24:29Bill Simmons:Kramer? Those movies being in your early careers, that's nuts. I saw Kramer vs. Kramer as a kid, not Deer Hunter. I'm just saying like, I think the perception was this lady is going to go on and do some stuff. Julia Roberts? Yeah. In that Steel Magnolias, Mystic Pizza, and then Pretty Woman? You're like, I'm buying stock right now.

24:45Mina Kimes:Pretty Woman was a coronation.

24:46Bill Simmons:Yeah.

24:47Mina Kimes:Because by that point, everybody, they were pouring out their hearts wanting to love this amazing young actress.

24:54Bill Simmons:But I think Cruise was like this. Like, Risky Business, that era. Cocktail. And then Top Gun was the coronation. So I think for Emma Stone, La La Land was probably the coronation.

25:02Van Lathan:But this era was the setup.

25:05Bill Simmons:Like, I wasn't surprised.

25:06Van Lathan:I would argue Superbad is an incredible showcase for her. Yeah. Because the movie's not about her. it's what would be a thankless role if many women played that and it's not the point of the movie. And she's so funny and cool that you can tell she's a star.

25:22Bill Simmons:We have to go to Craig because this is one of his favorite actors. Super bad. You love that. Both of them.

25:26David Lindhagen:I think Stone and Gosling are the two defining actors of their generations. To me, they're Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks, but for my generation. I'm still upset. I think that's fair. The fact that they're not together in real life bothers me. You don't like it. They're so good together. Maybe they're still tough.

25:41Bill Simmons:I don't know, Ava Mendes is pretty good.

25:44David Lindhagen:And then, you know, her in Superbad, I feel like she was so good in that, that got her EZA, which was her first big star role. And she was fantastic in it, both playing somebody who's really funny and a romantic lead. She's amazing.

25:56Mina Kimes:You know what it kind of reminds me of here? It almost reminds me of early Mike Tyson.

26:02Van Lathan:Okay, that's not a mistake.

26:02Bill Simmons:That's another good example, though.

26:03Mina Kimes:I was going to say that.

26:05Bill Simmons:Because she's buying stock early before anything's happening. You're like, I know this is going to happen.

26:08Mina Kimes:But there's something else, too. Something else that people don't remember about Mike Is early I mean people remember this about Mike Early in Mike's career there was volume These guys that are fighting two three times a year Not Mike Tyson Mike was fighting Sometimes like 7, 8, 9 So when you look at her Superbad is like her first movie And then from 07 To 2010 This is dense Superbad, The Rocker, The House Bunny Ghost of Girlfriends Past Paper Man, Zombieland, Marmaduke. And then Easy A comes, the first star we can build a movie around, Emma Stone. That's 2010. But for that three years, she's doing different types of movies.

26:50Mina Kimes:She's doing movies, like all different types of stuff. And by the time she gets there, the audiences are familiar with her enough to be like, yeah, we like her. Let's take a little bit more.

26:58Bill Simmons:Also, really hard needle to thread where women really like her and guys are attracted to her. And it's hard for both sides to really agree. Yeah, it doesn't happen a lot often.

27:08Van Lathan:Julia Roberts is... I feel like maybe Meryl from the Sirius Awards, although obviously Julia did too. But yeah, you're right. She is so cute, so funny, so likable. She's like the dream girl.

27:21David Lindhagen:She's also a comedy fan at heart. And I feel like she's not…

27:26Bill Simmons:Yeah, she's a little Mary Tyler Moore.

27:27David Lindhagen:She's not afraid to make herself look dumb or look silly or do weird faces, which is also kind of unique for an actress that is that famous. She kind of doesn't really care making herself look bad in a movie or look stupid. which just makes her feel more grounded.

27:39Bill Simmons:That's why that Nathan Fielder show, which I didn't really like.

27:42Van Lathan:Oh, the... But she was so interesting in it

27:45Bill Simmons:because she really committed to how weird it was. If she's in, she's all in. Like, whatever it is.

27:51Van Lathan:She's done some weird stuff. Maniac. Some of her role... Obviously, the Yorgo stuff is just inherently weird. But she's a really adventurous actor.

27:58Bill Simmons:Mina's like that at ESPN. If it's a weird show, she'll still commit to it. She doesn't care.

28:02Van Lathan:I'm in.

28:03Bill Simmons:She's like, what are we doing? We're drafting the best safeties the last 50 years? The Emma Stone of ESPN? Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this. No, we're not going down the dirt. We bought stock early. New right away. She's writing free of Spin Magazine. I'm like, I'm in on the spinos. Put her with anyone.

28:20Mina Kimes:Who would be the gosling in that situation? Is it Dan Orlovsky? Like who?

28:24Bill Simmons:I think Dan Orlovsky would want it to be Dan Orlovsky.

28:29Mina Kimes:I hear the Emma Stone of ESPN. No, I'm not. We came to this. This is great. We went full circle. Full circle. Also, just real quick. Cruella did y 'all see that it's actually good that's good

28:39Van Lathan:I watched on a plane

28:40Mina Kimes:I was locked in that's good she's really good in it it's like a really stupid movie to like make let's make the origin story of Cruella de Vil it's like a Disney live action kind of money grab but that movie works it's good

28:52Bill Simmons:Julianne Moore is in her Julianne Moore sorry is in her 2010's quirky mom phase of Private Lives of Pippa Lee Chloe weird movie Kids Are Alright and Crazy Stupid Love all in a row. That was like, this is where you've moved into in this point in your career.

29:10Van Lathan:She nominated for Kids Are All Right.

29:11Bill Simmons:She was. That movie's good. It's a really good movie. Good LA movie too. And then you mentioned our guys, Fakara and Requiem. Fogelman. The Horlbeck scale for this movie. 118 minutes. We're plus 18, Craig.

29:25David Lindhagen:Yeah. It's two rom-coms happening at the same time, which I think requires a little extra time. I think rom-coms in general are usually a little longer than like a traditional comedy because you kind of have to build up the relationships. And so they usually skew closer to two hours than an hour 40. But, you know, there's some Robbie and the girlfriend stuff or in the babysitter stuff that like, I don't know if like Mina said earlier, like you can go pee during that. Check my emails. So yeah.

29:50Bill Simmons:I think it's a little, there's maybe eight minutes you could pull out of the middle. It's pretty tight. Move a little faster. I think you could get the school scene at the end. I think even that could, we could get right to the speech

30:02Van Lathan:and not have the lead up.

30:04Mina Kimes:This is the cutest pre-two movie that's ever. Pre-two? You stole that from me. That was my joke. Yeah. So you said that I do it and I do it. Right, yeah. That's what I mean. That's what I said earlier. But that was different. She goes, I think they're Brady and Mahomes. And you go.

30:19Bill Simmons:Well, because I didn't want to admit it.

30:21Mina Kimes:She's in Mahomes. And I was like, wow.

30:23Bill Simmons:That's fine. She's just an international women's movie. Wait, are we already in?

30:27Mina Kimes:Is this What Age the Worst jumping in?

30:32Van Lathan:Because are we edging into What Age the Worst here? No, no, we're waiting. We're waiting. I'm sorry. We're waiting. I know what you're about to talk about here.

30:38Mina Kimes:But not just that, though. Not just that, though. There's a character that used to exist in movies that doesn't exist anymore because people are too afraid to do it. Not that character. Actually, Ryan Gosling's character in this movie. The guy who espouses all of these directly misogynistic... The Neil Strauss type of... But then a woman kind of changes him. He softens up a little bit. movies don't really investigate masculinity in that way as it toxic masculinity being something harmless anymore it has to be something that ends planets now and if and if you if you do it that way people will say that you're irresponsible in the way that you're kind of going about it i would

31:19Van Lathan:you're not wrong right the movie is about a pickup artist daniel strauss the game for those who blissfully are too young to remember this era but his it's it was funny i was thinking about that watching that, the way he picks up women is actually different, and I think it's a meaningful distinction. Because the game, for those who don't know, was like about negging women. You remember the whole there was so much written about it at the time. Yeah, like, and that's not his modus operandi. No, he's negging.

31:47David Lindhagen:He negs. No, no, that's boring. That's boring. He negs them. But it's a lot of compliments.

31:53Mina Kimes:Oh my God, Mina! Mina is toxic! I knew it! She didn't see it. It worked on Mina. Mina, he got you.

32:02Van Lathan:I don't think it's quite as bad.

32:06David Lindhagen:He's basically like, stop talking. Let's go home. And they're like, of course.

32:10Mina Kimes:He literally tells them. He's like, no, that's boring. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He lets them talk about them, but he dictates what's important.

32:19David Lindhagen:I have four brothers and sisters. No, no, that's not interesting. Right. He's a little negative.

32:25Van Lathan:Okay. All right. Well, I just don't think it's quite as bad. But you're right. You don't see that sort of character that much anymore. It's very...

32:33Bill Simmons:You just have a lot of good compliments. So, but... Yeah. But if you ever wearing a nice dress, he's going to tell you.

32:38Mina Kimes:But there's one important scene. Once again, like, there's some great scripts in that decade. Moonlight's a great script. The best script in the whole decade to me, Hella High Water. That's the best script of the decade to me. But, like, there's some great scripts in that decade. Don't get me started on Taylor Sheridan. But, like, some great scripts in that decade. But there's a scene in this movie where you get a complete explanation of why he is the way that he is. And it really, really works. Some people might look at it as forced exposition. But he talks about my mother. No. Mother was beautiful.

33:10Mina Kimes:She was cold. She was inaccessible. His mother was something beautiful that he couldn't really access, which is what he is. And his father was something that was really sweet and really successful that died a long time ago.

33:25Van Lathan:And this is, again, why this movie is so well-written. In that moment, you remember him saying to Steve Carell, when Steve's like, why are you doing this? You remind me of someone. You remind me of someone. The movie, everything is like a puzzle. It fits together so well. There's nothing incoherent about it. There's no inconsistencies. That scene, I mean, we're going to talk about it at length, is, I think, one of the most well-written and well-acted. It's fantastic.

33:49Mina Kimes:Fogelman's underrated. So he sees him and he helps him. I think he's properly rated. he's done a lot of good stuff he's done a lot of good stuff Danny Collins was really good I was a huge defender of that movie this is like one of the most successful TV shows of like it is and it's super well written characters and stuff but like when I when I watched the movie this time a little bit older I kind of saw what in fact he was trying to do it's like I'm telling you it's a fantastic script

34:14Bill Simmons:so plus 18 you'd go like plus 8 you'd cut out 10 yeah okay 50 million dollar budget made 145 million dollars bonafide hit woo Roger Ebert Three stars. Crazy Stupid Love is a sweet, romantic comedy about good-hearted people. Imagine that. Okay, Rog. Rog. We're going to take a break and then we're going to do most rewatchable scene. This episode is brought to you by Hotels.com. Save Your Way is a new feature on Hotels.com and it's as simple as it sounds. When you book a trip as a Hotels.com member, you decide how to use your savings. Take the instant savings now or bank the savings as rewards for later.

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35:35Bill Simmons:Alright, most rewatchable scene Opening scene, I want a divorce And Cal jumps out of the car Ripped off then in Lady Bird, I guess Kind of a rip-off Opening scene in Lady Bird, same thing Not kinda, yeah Not kinda Jumps out of the car I never thought about that. This is true. Can't handle who she's talking to and jumps out. Jacob meets Hannah and her friend. An insane Gosling scene. He's just throwing 105 miles an hour.

36:08Van Lathan:The friend, Sneaky, has some really good jokes in this movie. The friend's good.

36:12Mina Kimes:I have something on her later. But by the way, in that scene, very important to establish this character, she rejects him 50 times, doesn't pierce his confidence in one way. All it does is intrigue him. That's some Han Solo shit. Vies women drinks

36:27David Lindhagen:even when they say they don't want one?

36:29Mina Kimes:Yeah, that's some Han...

36:31Van Lathan:Okay.

36:32Mina Kimes:That's some Han Solo shit. He's like, yeah, he's like, she says no the whole time and he just does it.

36:36Van Lathan:But it also makes us like him. I mean, we like him because he's Ryan Gosling and he's funny and handsome. But the fact that he's drawn to a woman like that early on, it sells us.

36:47Bill Simmons:You're really wearing a dress, that dress, It's like it's a favor. That's a line. You like that? I like that. I like the double negative. There's some good stuff in there. Bernie breaks up with Cal in the couple's divorce. Then Gosling makes friends with him. I just want to talk about couple's divorces. I have it written down. Yeah. Really? An underrated theme for movies that I haven't seen properly explored. They only do this. It's a short scene where he's like, yeah, my wife, we had to go with whatever. but this is the thing that happens. It's a tough thing, isn't it, Bill? Well, I'm happily married.

37:24Bill Simmons:No. You mean?

37:24Van Lathan:No, but picking sides. Oh, picking sides.

37:26Bill Simmons:Picking sides. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:29Mina Kimes:I refuse to do it.

37:31Bill Simmons:I'm the same way.

37:33Mina Kimes:I refuse to do it.

37:34Bill Simmons:But the problem is like with, you know, parties or eight-person dinners or whatever, who do you pick?

37:41David Lindhagen:Would you pick me or Liz right now?

37:44Bill Simmons:Oh, shit. I actually wouldn't. Also if you break up I won't believe in love anymore

37:51Van Lathan:The HR implications Of that divorce You'd almost have to fire them both You'd almost have to John Carroll Lynch Very funny in that scene

38:02Bill Simmons:Fargo, Zodiac, and this movie In five years Just completely different parts

38:07Van Lathan:Has never been bad

38:08Bill Simmons:But I love that he has to break up with them The cuckolding monologue we have here And then you're sitting there with a super cuts haircut get drunk on water down vodka cranberries like you're a 14 year old that whole part's great you're size 44 and you should be size 42 the shopping montage the rarely seen two guys shopping never get it I think this might be the only one

38:31Van Lathan:yeah whoever had a man on man makeover montage in a movie

38:34Mina Kimes:not as deep as this one right here and not as effective like this kind of when you watch this movie you almost wish that they ran off and had their own movie They kind of slide into it, too.

38:47Bill Simmons:They don't hit you over the head. It's like, oh, are we doing a makeover montage? What's your favorite one of all time, Mina?

38:52Van Lathan:My favorite makeover montage of all time? Oh, my God. There's so many good ones.

38:57Bill Simmons:It seems like it's Pretty Woman and Devil Wears Prada in the finals.

39:01Van Lathan:Devil Wears Prada is really good. Devil Wears Prada has two. Princess Diaries and Hathaway's been part of So Pretty.

39:07Mina Kimes:Hey, you know what's a good one to me, too? It's not a makeover montage, but just makeovers in movies. Can't buy me love. Yeah.

39:14Bill Simmons:Breakfast Club is a good one, too. The 80s kind of invented it, and then the next decades made it better versions of it.

39:21Van Lathan:Do you... Okay, so a lot of times there's a trope in movies with the makeover montage where the woman is obviously hot already, a.k.a. the Rachel Lee Cook in She's All That. They take off her glasses. I fucking hate it, bro. Okay, but... It's tough fun. I think this one is partially... It's mostly effective, and it's, I think, one of the three best scenes in the movie because it's so funny. But it also works because the makeover is so good. Yeah. Like he really Like Steve Carell At the end When it's a great scene With the woman Who does his hair And he asks if she would Sleep with him And she says yes He looks amazing When he comes out

39:54Bill Simmons:It's a good job by him I think they I didn't find this In the research But I feel like He probably puffed up A little for the beginning Of the movie

40:00Van Lathan:And then thinned out

40:02Bill Simmons:Which is like what you do When you have bad breakups And I think they're Trying to capture that They change his clothes Give him some shoulders Haircut Yeah Important haircut

40:10Mina Kimes:The stuff that Gosling says to him is like true.

40:15Van Lathan:Yeah.

40:15Mina Kimes:It's like the stuff that... The gap. Yeah. He's better than the gap. Tough movie for the gap. He also looks at him and he says... When he says he dares him to say something meaner. Yeah. The quote that he comes back with. Lost. Yeah. Like the entire thing. You're not taking care of yourself. You lost interest in yourself and your wife lost interest in you. That's a tough pill to swallow but that's the point of the scene.

40:40Bill Simmons:Yes. We have the shopping montage. we have the montage of him learning how to pick up women at the bar, which is funny. We have little Robbie torturing Kevin Bacon in the office raising his chair, which I really enjoyed. We have the first Marissa Tomei scene heading right into the Cal is now confident in the bar. That's a good stretch. We have Cal and his wife seeing each other at school. Which I think is a really good scene. And then we get the Marissa Tomei reveal. And she's great. She's just...

41:12Van Lathan:Two fake outs in one movie, by the way. It's crazy.

41:14Bill Simmons:I'm sorry I didn't set you up for a White Girl Hall of Fame or... Marissa Tomei? Yeah. My bad. Way. Career achievement. Like, she got the Irving Thalberg Award for all time.

41:25Mina Kimes:But, like, so... You see her at first, and she's literally... She's on a different world. Yeah. She's on a different world. Like, the early version of a different world is... It's Denise, Don Lewis, and Marissa Tomei. Like, you kind of fall in love. Like, you know, you got the... Craig doesn't know what that was. You don't know what a different... Craig, do you know what A Different World is?

41:44Bill Simmons:No. No.

41:44Mina Kimes:Never heard of it before? It was the Cosby Show Companion Show. It's a spinoff at... I watched Cosby. It takes place at an HBCU. They're bringing it back. So if you want to...

41:52Bill Simmons:It's kind of insane that the show got greenlit in the 80s. When you really think about it now. Bill Cosby wanted it. I know, but that's how it got greenlit because he was the most powerful person on TV. But there's... That show had no business getting greenlit with the way they approached TV in the 80s. It's crazy.

42:06Mina Kimes:But then it becomes actually, you're right, but then it becomes a super important hit show. Yeah. Like, the show shows that audiences will show up for something that's that authentic and that black. Why are you praising Bill Cosby

42:20Bill Simmons:so much? Shut up.

42:22Mina Kimes:What the hell?

42:23Bill Simmons:What are we doing? We're recording this.

42:26Van Lathan:He's still mad about the thing you did earlier.

42:28Bill Simmons:That was a good giveback right there. Different run of us good, though. And obviously not a world I do anything about. But the whole time, Russell told me

42:35Mina Kimes:that throughout the time is just one of the classic beauties.

42:38Van Lathan:Can I ask you guys a question about Marissa Tomei? I posted a take during season one of The Pit about Noah Wiley. I don't know why Wiley. Where I said, for someone, a woman my age, he is like the perfect crush from back when he was ER because he was like so cute but kind of accessible. And then he's just aged with me. You've grown up with him. Yes. And now he's like still the perfect crush for me. You're doing content

43:01Bill Simmons:for Juliette Lipman right now. Okay, but somebody responded to that

43:05Van Lathan:that's Marissa Tomei for us. Oh. Do you think that's a fair...

43:10Bill Simmons:I mean, I saw Untamed Heart in the theater, so I'm a bad person to ask. I went to see it in the movies too. Yeah.

43:14Mina Kimes:Like, why did I go to the movies to see that? Like, there was no reason to go see that. That's kind of...

43:18Bill Simmons:I just wanted those two wacky kids to make it, and then he had to die in the hockey game. That's a stupid fucking movie, by the way. It's terrible. I think I've probably seen it like four times.

43:28Mina Kimes:But I saw that. What was the other one she did? And it was like, they were like Cuban people in Miami. well she has an accent in that one yeah not great but whatever but like if she was in the movie I would go check her out well then

43:40Bill Simmons:then she's in My Cousin Vinny takes off she had that one that kind of it's weird though because she kind of disappeared and then kind of made this crazy comeback in the mid 2000s and then all of a sudden she was in the Philip Seymour Hoffman movie and she was just kind of back all of a sudden okay three more Hannah goes back Back to Jacob's Place.

44:04Van Lathan:This is it. This is it. Yeah, that's the scene of the movie. Yeah.

44:09Bill Simmons:I wrote down an A-plus courting scene. And the PG-13 versus R thing is really funny. There's so many funny lines. She's like, I'm not here for the PG-13. Dirty dancing part.

44:20Mina Kimes:The movie calls it... The scene, it's... Once again, I still think... It's high-level writing. The scene calls it shot. And then you're happy when you get there anyway. so she says I'm not gonna do this it's not gonna be the PG-13 version of it she wants to do it you know that it's going to be that but by the time it gets to the end of the scene they've gotten so much more out of each other than sex which is the point of the movie by the way Focus did this too these filmmakers

44:49Bill Simmons:are good at creating believable chemistry and actually like falling for each other a little bit

44:54Van Lathan:it's actually incredible when you think about it that this scene first of all it's two thirds through the movie the best scene of the movie which is part of the reason And I love rewatch. It literally makes you rewatch because, and I would say the second best is the final scene. And they've spent so little time together on camera. They really have the one scene. We get to know Ryan Gosling separately. We get to know her a little bit. The entire sequence of her going back in the rain to the bar, picking him up, going back to the house, transitioning from dirty dancing to the bedroom. I don't know.

45:22Van Lathan:What is it like 10, 12 minutes? This in 10 to 12 minutes, they build a more believable, sexy, funny love story than I've seen over the course of entire films.

45:34Mina Kimes:Right. They just keep surprising each other. They keep surprising each other. He surprises her. She's not prepared for how sexy he is. He's not prepared for how adorable and accessible that she is. The conceit of the dirty dancing thing feels completely ridiculous. So funny. Then they do it. she's immediately surprised that she's so turned on by it and it works. And then when they get in bed, they start to get to know each other with all of their defenses drawn down.

46:08Bill Simmons:Yeah.

46:09Mina Kimes:And you just want it to work out between them.

46:11Bill Simmons:Also, I think the reason it stands out and it's so good is because this happens in real life way more than I think it gets credit for in the movies. Like we have this long night with somebody. Sometimes it doesn't even happen. But it's like about like the six hour or whatever. Sometimes it doesn't happen. Maybe one, two, three, four times. Well, a nine-minute van, it happens.

46:31Mina Kimes:Sometimes it doesn't happen. Most of the time, I'm good every time. But sometimes, back at Holy Cross, I didn't get it. Sometimes it's about the connection. You just never know. Right, right, right. And then the connection. The connection. But that's the point. Love always surprises you. We don't even know if they had sex or not.

46:48Van Lathan:Right. You don't actually see it. But it's still so sexy. I assume they did. It's kind of like before sunrise. or before, like, we're going to spend the entire night together connecting. I mean, his, oh, God. I, like, every time, I've already feel like I've revealed what a chump I am for Ryan Gosling's character in this movie by not admitting how toxic he is. I'm fully defending it.

47:09Bill Simmons:Don't let Van... Don't let Van Gillen.

47:12Van Lathan:But, like, every time I watch the scene of them in the bed, I'm, like, blushing at how charismatic he is. And, like, when they're talking about his addiction to online shopping and she starts calling him out, And she asks him if he has a chair. And he's like, no, I don't. Yes, I do. No, I don't. It's in the garage. I like giggle like a schoolgirl every time watching this.

47:31Mina Kimes:But cut to garage of him letting her into the experience. So good. He's like, all of it seems like, okay. It's so funny. His whole goal is to get women to have sex with him. But then it's not. But then he finds one that he could tell about all of these stupid things.

47:46Bill Simmons:I got to go on a tangent. See, this is what I don't fully understand actors. because I think to have scenes like that where you're filming with somebody for two days and you obviously have so much chemistry and I don't care how good of an actor you can't fake some of that it has to be at least somewhat real and I don't understand how you turn that off like okay you want to go get some coffee like and I think that's why so many of them end up like hooking up because it's like well that happened to Amazon yeah not with him with Garfield

48:16Van Lathan:and Ryan Gosling with Rachel McAdams they dated after the no fun And Eva Mendes.

48:21Bill Simmons:But can you imagine? Yeah, so I guess Bill, like there's a lot of examples. That's my point, which is like, I can't imagine dating an actress. So what movie are you doing? Oh yeah, it's this thing, Crazy Stupid Love. So this is the three days where I have to lie in bed with Ryan Gosling. They don't actually have sex scenes in the movie.

48:37Van Lathan:You still feel this way, which is what a testament to their chemistry.

48:40Mina Kimes:The biggest version of this was, and shout out to Simon, but the biggest version of this was Mrs. Smith. Yeah. Like Brad You know he Tells Jennifer Aniston And I don't want to be mean He goes hey I got this Great movie Mr. Smith It's me and Angelina Jolie She should have just been like

48:59Van Lathan:You know what No Yeah Angelina Jolie Circa What year was that Yeah Come on

49:05Bill Simmons:But she can't say anything though Because she'd already been in like Seven movies Where she fell in love with Whatever character

49:10Mina Kimes:In that one right there To have the public Root against your marriage Like when you see them together You're like We want to see what What what could happen to you.

49:18Bill Simmons:I don't know how these actors do it. Stuff. All right, two more. The crazy everything comes together scene. Which I, they're like, this isn't crazy enough. Should Bacon be in this? And they're like, yeah, bring him in. But that's the cherry on top.

49:32Van Lathan:It's the best part. He's like, hey, you left your sweater in my car.

49:35Mina Kimes:And the fact that he just shows up. So good. It leans into the ridiculousness of it.

49:41Bill Simmons:They really go for it. And then, it kind of reminds me of the TV I grew up with in the 70s with Three's Company where there'd be, Like this giant misunderstanding and then it would just go haywire. And then Jacob going to see Cal at the bar. I don't have the speech as a rewatchable for me, but you guys might disagree. What speech? I think it's a little, that end with the kid and then Carell goes up. I can't stand it. I don't really like the last 12 minutes of this movie that much.

50:05Mina Kimes:A movie like that, a movie like this, always gets a little too saccharine. Yeah. It always does. So you almost, you just roll with it.

50:13Bill Simmons:I'm trying to think of high school speech climactic scenes that have actually, they pulled it off.

50:17Mina Kimes:Can't buy me love.

50:19Bill Simmons:When she is drunk. In the lunch, right.

50:22Mina Kimes:The two of them, when she's drunk and she tells everybody who we really is.

50:27Bill Simmons:But you're saying at the end with Ronald Miller. Well, yeah.

50:29Mina Kimes:Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about both of those actually worked.

50:31Bill Simmons:Ronald Miller yelling at,

50:33Mina Kimes:we carried you, you broke your arm. That really worked, man.

50:36Van Lathan:I like the end of Booksmart, which is a graduation scene and another plain rewatchable. It's not on the top tier for me, probably in the second tier, but I think I've watched it.

50:44Mina Kimes:Yeah, Booksmart. Booksmart? Is that female?

50:47Van Lathan:It's female super bad, basically. Oh, yeah.

50:49Mina Kimes:I'm not into that type of thing.

50:50Van Lathan:You would love it.

50:51Mina Kimes:No, Booksmart's good. It's really good. You would love it. I was making a sexist.

50:55Van Lathan:Well, one of my favorite that guys of all time, Skylar Gisando.

50:59Bill Simmons:Oh, yeah. He's great. I think I'm saying his name right.

51:00Van Lathan:Anyways, he, Jimmy from… Jimmy Olsen.

51:02Bill Simmons:Yeah.

51:03Van Lathan:So what do you got

51:03Bill Simmons:for most rewatchable?

51:05Van Lathan:It's the romance scene. The second is the finale where everything goes down. It's a dirty dancing scene.

51:10Bill Simmons:Yeah. I think so, too. What do you have?

51:12David Lindhagen:I think it's the fight scene. I mean, they're very close,

51:16Mina Kimes:a long category because this movie is really a lot of rewatchable scenes the movie's efficient it doesn't waste any scenes it can't it's too many characters

51:23Bill Simmons:what's the most 2011 thing about this movie I have five nominees

51:28Mina Kimes:yeah there's a few things you could try so I have the cast

51:31Bill Simmons:that they would ever be in a movie yeah that's a great call

51:34Mina Kimes:not quite Silver Fox Kevin Bacon yeah wow Marissa Tomei is still a timeless beauty yeah in the movie young flamethrowers and stone and gosling and then a steady lovable faces that you had in Steve Carell and Julianne Moore, like that cast from that particular time, that's the most 2011 thing to me.

51:53Van Lathan:I would say Gosling's whole metrosexual vibe is very 2011. I'm not even talking about the perceived toxicity. His, like the look, like the way he acts, all of it was like the two tight suits. Like he doesn't, the way he dresses now is not cool, right? but it was cool at the time. It was very GQ. Now nobody would touch that. Like being into like making your own cocktails. Like just the way his body is. It's just not cool now. It's very cool in 2011.

52:32David Lindhagen:Interesting. It's a huge meme. The clothing advice has aged so poorly. The way that Steve Carell's character dresses in this movie is cool now.

52:40Van Lathan:Like New Balances, Baggy Jeans.

52:42David Lindhagen:Yeah, Baggy Jeans and like a loose polo. is that the joke is like that is how people dress now and it looks cool

52:47Bill Simmons:I have five things dads driving their babysitter home I just don't think that happens anymore yeah dads I think that's a 2011 thing too potent

53:00Mina Kimes:oh so you don't you don't think that dads drive people home that they have a connection with

53:05Bill Simmons:I don't think they drive the 18 year old babysitter home I don't think I think that only happens in movies so what you're saying is

53:11Mina Kimes:if a dad was to drive somebody home that was like 19 or 20 or something like that, that that would be like an odd thing.

53:18Bill Simmons:Yes. I think you would just

53:21Mina Kimes:pay for their Uber.

53:22Van Lathan:Don't put yourself in that situation. I think you would just

53:24Mina Kimes:pay for their Uber and not drive them to Santa Monica.

53:27Van Lathan:Right.

53:28Bill Simmons:Oh, you're making a con caniple? That's different. I saw you.

53:34Mina Kimes:I couldn't tell if he knew the whole time. He didn't fucking get where I was going with it or if he was playing along with the bit. This is what the re-Apex brings you. You never know what pitch he's throwing

53:45Bill Simmons:Listen You're paying for the Uber in 2026 Period

53:49Van Lathan:I have to ask now Was that ride more sexually charged Than When are they not?

53:57Bill Simmons:Like this is a recurring theme in these movies Oh The conch and nipple thing Like what was the energy like

54:05Van Lathan:Compared to the ride with Steve Carell and his babysitter

54:07Bill Simmons:I think that was probably more sexually charged More 2011 stuff seeing the new Twilight movie by yourself yeah that's a good one a text about how Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher are happy

54:19Van Lathan:on a not a Palm Pilot it was an LG sidekick I believe I can tell the phones

54:25Bill Simmons:answering machine messages those are gone and then obviously a babysitter giving nude photos to a 14 year old as a plot device which we'll talk about in another category what age is the worst

54:35Mina Kimes:I didn't know what to put there

54:36Bill Simmons:what's age the best

54:38Mina Kimes:I got one

54:38Bill Simmons:other than the early 2010s

54:40Mina Kimes:Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling

54:41Bill Simmons:What do you got?

54:42Mina Kimes:Choosing between couples and a divorce as age the best. It feels like you're asked to do this once every six months in Los Angeles. It honestly could be

54:50Bill Simmons:a game show that I would watch. It could be a game show. Where the couples make the case and then the couple that stayed together has to pick between the two people. Okay, you should take that out of the podcast. What do you mean? You should take that out of the podcast and you should put that together

55:01Mina Kimes:and you should go sell that.

55:02Bill Simmons:Just sell it to Hulu? That feels like

55:04Van Lathan:a recurring SNL.

55:06Bill Simmons:It's like Hulu crossed with like I don't know,

55:09Mina Kimes:Judge Judy. Right, that's actually okay. and something else has aged the best and I gotta be honest with you man this is maybe one of the things that's aged the best of anything in my entire Rewatchables career the Westfield Century City Mall yes

55:20Van Lathan:yes it is one of the last

55:22Mina Kimes:best mall in LA and most beautiful best mall in period maybe

55:26Van Lathan:yeah around

55:27Mina Kimes:it is particularly after remodel that place is always I could spend outdoor I could spend

55:33Van Lathan:14 hours there and be happy

55:34Mina Kimes:everyone is around I saw this somebody tweet and say they said that everyone is talking about the fact that the mall is dead, but they haven't told that to the Westfield Century City Mall. Y 'all haven't been to a real mall. It's almost a place that if you're visiting in town. Paradise. People tell you Hollywood Signs. No, Westfield Century City Mall.

55:55Bill Simmons:It's a top 10 LA attraction at this point.

55:57Van Lathan:The food. I just went to our friend Dave Chanky place there. Super Peach, yeah. The food, the selection of stores, the vibes, the layout.

56:06Bill Simmons:Plus, by the way. Perfect mall. Outdoor mall. Outdoor mall. Beautiful. The Grove started it. Yes. Westfield Century City finished it.

56:12Van Lathan:The Grove can't even sniff Westfield Century City now.

56:15Mina Kimes:I feel like the Grove, Westfield Century City Mall looked at the Grove and went, okay, because they remember they did a big remodel. Yeah. And they like, that is a perfect.

56:22Bill Simmons:Ben Simmons went there for like 18 straight months in ninth and 10th grade.

56:26Van Lathan:If I was a 17-year-old living in Los Angeles. So much stuff.

56:28Bill Simmons:And it's crazy because there are other malls that we used to go through here. I have a cousin to what you just said. Okay, go for it. I think this is also a really good Valley movie.

56:35Van Lathan:Yeah, there's some good Burbank action. You feel like you're in Valley slash LA adjacent.

56:41Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's good.

56:42Mina Kimes:That's a good call.

56:42Bill Simmons:Yeah.

56:43Mina Kimes:You don't get that a lot.

56:45Bill Simmons:I had, I think the kid performance is good by the 14-year-old. Yeah, he's good. I actually think he's effective and it doesn't feel like he should be, but his name's Jonah Bobo.

56:54Van Lathan:A little too much, but that's not his fault.

56:56Bill Simmons:But it's kind of how it's written. The Lyndon Hawkins scene really sealed it for him.

57:01Van Lathan:In the office. He was hysterical in there.

57:03Bill Simmons:I had for what's the best, Kevin Bacon as a romantic antagonist. So great. he'll do this once every 9-10 years most famously in the Jennifer Aniston movie Picture Perfect which is awful but kind of great saw that in the theater that's with Jay Moore's one at bat in a rom-com but he's good every once in a while he's just like a smarmy don't like this guy he's a scumbag but he's really he knows how to do that I like when the mom complains about that we're still reading the Scarlet Letter I just thought that was funny she's like you're still reading that they haven't done better than the scarlet letter because i think i feel that way when i hear the books that my kids read in high school like really it's also what easy a is about yeah um and then i liked when he said the war between the sexes is over we won the second woman started doing pole dancing for exercise and then he says but we still have to respect them yeah see oh something else the age of this the term cook

58:00Mina Kimes:hold.

58:01Bill Simmons:Oh, yeah. I don't even think that was really around in a full way in 2011, was it? It was kind of starting, right? It was funny.

58:11Mina Kimes:It was early cuck. All that stuff is a part of the rest of the cuck.

58:14David Lindhagen:What's aged the worst is the line they say. Steve Kroll says, nobody says this anymore, but I'm a cuckold. Which has aged the worst because now everybody says it.

58:22Van Lathan:Great use of bang in this movie, too. When Emma Stone's like, now we're gonna bang. And he's like, who says bang anymore?

58:28Bill Simmons:Any other what's aged the best for you?

58:30Van Lathan:I think just generally the jokes in this movie have aged really well and I often struggle with like 1995 through 2015 comedy sometimes when I go back and rewatch it. There's so many off little like there's obviously the big physical comedic moments rolling out of the car the punching all that. There's a lot of really good side comments and jokes and like even the scene where like everyone at the office cheers when they find out he doesn't have cancer. It's funny. The little things you forget when you rewatch it. And yeah, I think it's a very funny movie.

59:04Bill Simmons:A couple quick categories. Great shot Gordo for most cinematic shot. I mentioned it before when Steve Carell and Julianne Moore are sitting in the chairs far apart with the chair between them. It's just a really nice shot. There's some distance. Big Kahuna Burger Award for best use of food and drink has to be the vodka cranberries. Vodka cranberries. Perfect drink.

59:23Mina Kimes:But this makes you want to go to an L.A. bar and drink movie. Because so much of it happens in bars. The bars look very elegant. They look very clean.

59:31Bill Simmons:They're very cool. Better than they probably are in real life in L.A. Well, they built them. 2010, 11, yeah. Like, a lot of them were sets. This bar did not exist in 2011.

59:39Van Lathan:It feels like a hotel bar kind of vibe. I don't think I ever thought, I never looked sideways at a man drinking out of straw until this movie.

59:47Bill Simmons:Right.

59:48Van Lathan:I'm like, oh, of course, naturally, one would drink out of straw. But then when Ryan Gosling points out when he's drinking the vodka crayon with the straw, how it looks. Yeah, stop doing that crayon. Let me tell you something.

59:56David Lindhagen:Straws are phallic. From this movie was a real thing. And all my friends joked about that. And to this day, we don't really drink straws. You drink drinks with straws.

1:00:05Bill Simmons:Put the straw in the bar.

1:00:06David Lindhagen:Life lesson in this movie, no straws.

1:00:08Van Lathan:And men aren't allowed to drink girl cocktails. No, no vodka cranks, no straws.

1:00:12Bill Simmons:I go for it. I don't like when they give me the straw. Chess Rockwell Brocklander is a word for best character name. Has to be David Lindhagen. It's really funny. I don't know how you spell it. I spelled it I-L-I-N-D-H-O-G-E-N.

1:00:29Van Lathan:Double G.

1:00:30Bill Simmons:I think it's a double G-er. But you could also tell me it's H-A-G-E-N. I don't know. I don't know what Lindhagen is.

1:00:36Van Lathan:I told Bill before we started taping that I've been having to say Tyler Linderbaum, who's like the top free agent center all week. And I said Tyler Lindhagen on television because I was so steeped in this movie.

1:00:46Bill Simmons:That's great.

1:00:47Van Lathan:The reveal at the end, the moment at the end when the cop says his name wrong and they all correct him is very funny.

1:00:51Bill Simmons:Kid Cudi, Pursuit of Happiness, Neswar, best needle drop is obviously I've had the time of my life. And then we'll take one more break and then we have a Van Lathan Award.

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1:01:56Bill Simmons:All right. The Van Lathan Award. Did this movie need more black people? We don't get to give this out all the time, but I really appreciate when we give it out.

1:02:03Mina Kimes:We in this normally it doesn't apply, but it does in this situation. But for one character, David Lindhagen should have been black. So who do you cast him as? Okay, so I'll look this up.

1:02:15Bill Simmons:Little Idris Elba?

1:02:16Mina Kimes:No, Too Sexy. That was the that's so weird. That was the name that jumped right out.

1:02:22Bill Simmons:Right when he was starting out.

1:02:23Mina Kimes:Right, but I'm saying... Taye Diggs. So, too sexy. Too handsome. Too sexy. So, what I did was, I went to the year that Kevin Bacon was actually born, which is 1958. Oh, you really went for this. I did. And I went for other actors, black actors, that were born in that same year. And I have a quick little list. So, Ice-T.

1:02:45Bill Simmons:Okay. I don't know. That's a no. You sure? Yeah, I'm going to go, oh, no on Ice-T.

1:02:50Mina Kimes:Keenan Ivory Wayans. Would have been good. Okay. That works.

1:02:55Bill Simmons:He made like five less movies than I wanted him to make. He's just a fantastic performer. Should have been in more things.

1:03:04Van Lathan:You're in the right territory here. There's one more.

1:03:06Mina Kimes:I like that one though. There's one more. 1958. April 26, 1958. Giancarlo Esposito as David...

1:03:15Van Lathan:You can't... Okay. Lynn Hogan. No, you can't do that. I like it.

1:03:19Mina Kimes:I like it. I like him. I like a little bit more of a sinister Lynn Hagen. Yay! Y 'all haven't seen about Giancarlo when he puts it together. He can't be sinister. He's a, Giancarlo also. When has he ever

1:03:32Van Lathan:not played an evil person?

1:03:34Mina Kimes:I don't think there's ever been a time where he hasn't. But he, but he's, it could work. Giancarlo is David Lynn Hagen. Do we have to apologize

1:03:41Bill Simmons:to Blair Underwood here? Oh, Blair Underwood would be good as Lynn Hagen.

1:03:46Van Lathan:Nah, too handsome. He's played Lynn Hagen. The reason Kevin Bacon works is because he's just the right amount of handsome. where he's like, it's believable that he would be an accountant. It's believable that the woman would sleep with him.

1:03:57Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:03:58Van Lathan:And it's also believable that he's not an asshole. I actually think this is why it can't be Esposito and you don't want him to be sinister. One of the funniest things about the movie is that he's kind of like, is like kind of like a nice normal dude who legitimately likes Julianne Moore.

1:04:11Mina Kimes:Dennis Haysbert as Lynn Hagen? I think he's too old. He's too old. He's too old. At that point, he's too old. He's too old. Okay. Well, I'm telling you, if you're going to make one character in the movie black, that's the character you made black.

1:04:25Bill Simmons:Can we test drive Chris Rock?

1:04:28Mina Kimes:Chris Rock choose up too much scene. As Lynn Hagen, then you gotta give him a little bit more. Then you give him

1:04:34Bill Simmons:like, yeah, you let him ad-lib one scene.

1:04:36Mina Kimes:Yeah, you gotta get, but that could work. The movie goes to another funny level if you do that. Mina has a flex category. So, I forgot the exact

1:04:46Van Lathan:name of this. Let me pull it up. It's the title one. Can you find the...

1:04:49Bill Simmons:Yeah, did this movie need a better title.

1:04:51Van Lathan:Okay. So this, I think is the only thing that's really bad about this movie is the title.

1:04:55Bill Simmons:It's so funny. I had this as the next category and I put it in not knowing you were going to do this. So go.

1:05:00Van Lathan:It's, the title and the poster are so, it's amazing. I mean, it obviously was a box opposite because the actors and.

1:05:06Bill Simmons:It's one of the worst titles of the last 20 years.

1:05:08Van Lathan:It's a horrible title.

1:05:09Bill Simmons:Steve Carell actually said he hated it. I don't know. How did this happen? And was against it and said, nobody is going to save five, a group of college guys would not save five tickets to Crazy Stupid Love. if we can't do this.

1:05:20Van Lathan:It's also odd. Couldn't figure it out. The poster is the Marissa Tomei through the legs. You're looking at him. Like, it doesn't really, I feel like, capture what the movie's about. Yeah, and Mark,

1:05:29David Lindhagen:it's sex comedy.

1:05:30Van Lathan:Yes, exactly. You look at it and you think this is a 40-year-old version and it's just not. It's not even raunchy. The title Carell wanted,

1:05:36Bill Simmons:I thought was actually really good. The Wingman.

1:05:39Van Lathan:That's a good title.

1:05:40Mina Kimes:But do you know what the funny thing about the movie is? I think the title works only for me. I get it. It almost tracks the like, narrative arc of the movie. The movie starts off crazy. Crazy, stupid. Then it gets stupid. And then the love comes at the end. I'm serious. But like... That actually does make sense.

1:05:59Van Lathan:That's probably how they end. I think you're probably

1:06:01Mina Kimes:onto something there. Yeah, so like, it does work, but there's so much happening. Like, The Wingman, it's almost, it's a difficult movie to title because like The Wingman is literally only one part of the film.

1:06:12Bill Simmons:Can I give you what I would have called it?

1:06:14Van Lathan:Okay. As the king of titles? I have an idea too.

1:06:16Bill Simmons:The best title person ever? You are good at titles. The Makeover.

1:06:21Van Lathan:Yeah. Yeah.

1:06:24Bill Simmons:See?

1:06:24Van Lathan:My idea.

1:06:25Bill Simmons:Great. No? It's not bad. The Makeover.

1:06:28Van Lathan:What if we called it The Makeover?

1:06:31Bill Simmons:Oh!

1:06:32Mina Kimes:Good idea, Mina.

1:06:34Van Lathan:That no one ever thought of before. Alright. No, no. Okay. My idea. My idea is different, isn't it?

1:06:40Bill Simmons:What is it?

1:06:41Van Lathan:How to pick up women. Because he literally picks up Emma Stone.

1:06:45Mina Kimes:Oh! Double Entantra. In the best scene in the movie. It's pretty good. I'll tell you what. That was in the era of the long titles. I'll tell you what. Five college guys are going to go watch the movie How to Pick a Woman. They are.

1:06:56Bill Simmons:That's pretty good.

1:06:57Van Lathan:I like that one. Maybe you can't do How to Lose a Guy and maybe you can't do too many of them.

1:07:01Bill Simmons:Okay. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weak Link of the Film. Somehow, we're still not at the photos. I'm going to... It's the babysitter. Yeah. Can I make a case for something else and then put the photos in a different category? This really bothers me. Craig, You're going to love this. Hannah's just never going to run into her dad at this bar. It's never happening. Oh, because she went there. I have some dad stuff. Because I'm thinking about if I had, like, if this is Zoe three years from now. Right. And my wife leaves me. And now I'm at singles bars. But my daughter is of the age where she would go out.

1:07:38Bill Simmons:This would be half my conversations. I can't. That girl's my daughter's age. I can't talk to her. I just feel like that would be omnipresent in the movie.

1:07:46David Lindhagen:Is this all the same bar? It's my biggest issue in the movie is that they go to the same, Ryan Gosling goes to the same bar like four nights a week.

1:07:53Van Lathan:Yeah.

1:07:53David Lindhagen:Emma Stone is going to this bar. Steve Carell goes to this bar. There's one bar in Los Angeles. Well, Emma Stone never goes back

1:07:57Mina Kimes:except for the one time.

1:07:59David Lindhagen:Sure, but Ryan Gosling lives in that bar. It's a huge nitpick.

1:08:01Van Lathan:I also don't think there'd be a bar in LA where 20-somethings and 40-somethings both go to pick people up. It's impossible. It would switch.

1:08:09Bill Simmons:You would be a 40-something bar until like eight o 'clock and then it would switch to, I sadly know this now because of my daughter, but it would switch ages probably around 8 o 'clock. And why? He's just going to the same bar every night?

1:08:22Mina Kimes:I've been dealing with this at the Ringer. Because I hang out. So I hang out. I'm at the Ringer. I'm at the office at Spotify working all the time. And I'm talking to everybody, right? And let's be honest. I'm 20 years older than these people. I'm fucking 20 years older than John B. Yeah, 15 to 20.

1:08:43Bill Simmons:Whatever.

1:08:44Mina Kimes:I'm 20 years older than these. 15, whatever. And then, you know, somebody will go where we hang out all the time. We talk, we're working. We're talking about Mooseley. Hey, Van, it's my birthday. Come to my birthday. And I'll go like, yeah. I'll come to your birthday.

1:08:54Bill Simmons:And then your Uncle Van.

1:08:55Mina Kimes:And then I'm at fucking 4116 in Silver Lake and I look around and it takes me like 15 minutes to go, I'm that fucking guy. I can't do this. I went through this

1:09:08Bill Simmons:during the Grantland era when we had like Rembert and all those guys and I would go out and it was the same realization like, oh shit.

1:09:14Mina Kimes:Just look at everyone.

1:09:16Bill Simmons:But for me, it was like, thank God I'm on TV. And I can at least get away with people being like, hey, you're on TV. That happens. That happens. That's the one way you can get around it.

1:09:24Mina Kimes:That doesn't change the way, like, you know, sitting there talking to a group of people. It's like, oh, we moved out here from Ickatha College together. We've been out here like a year.

1:09:31Bill Simmons:There's a specific generation gap. You can feel it.

1:09:34Van Lathan:While we're on this, this is the thing I always have a trouble understanding. If you're the old guy at the bar, I understand why older men want to pick up younger women and for some want to be with younger women. but I cannot fathom them wanting to be the oldest guy at a bar. That's for 20-somethings. That's tough. I always think that

1:09:50Bill Simmons:Well, how about the oldest guy at a bar where people are the age of your daughter who's single who could potentially show up at the bar? Yeah, it's tough. They should be hanging over the entire movie. Just in LA,

1:10:01Van Lathan:you're in this, Craig, like there's, people don't go to the same place a lot.

1:10:04Mina Kimes:No, there's 400 bars.

1:10:06Van Lathan:Maybe a restaurant, but not a bar.

1:10:08Mina Kimes:And he is just harvesting this place. Right. Nightly. he is that's going to be everybody would know him he's just like oh this fucking guy

1:10:21Bill Simmons:that's why I was going to do this later for the casting the recouch part but like I actually would not have this movie in LA even though I think it's a great valley movie it really should be in like Phoenix or some place that would make more sense that they would go to the same place all the time so you have the weak link for we can do it now the what's age the worst all the babysitter stuff it just wouldn't fly now like just period giving the photos to the 8th grader at the end

1:10:49Mina Kimes:I just don't think they would do it

1:10:51Bill Simmons:I understand why they did it because it's really the movie is through the point of view of the sun basically it ends with a shot on the sun this is his story about basically my parents broke up and now they're back together and it's his journey and I'm in love with my babysitter and I can see how it made sense in 2011 I just think now they would be like no way You're not, we're not doing that.

1:11:12Mina Kimes:You didn't put that in a goddamn movie.

1:11:13Bill Simmons:No way. Like you, but in 2011, I can't say it. I was like, oh my God. I can't believe they did that.

1:11:19Mina Kimes:Yeah, I'm trying to remember how I felt at the time. Because it, back then, it almost, it never was. Back then, you would see stuff like that in. We were in on the joke in 2011. We were in on the joke. Now, no way. You would see stuff like that and it never was.

1:11:32Bill Simmons:This would be like a 2 ,500 word slate piece the next day. Yeah, you can't do this. Yeah.

1:11:37Mina Kimes:Plus, it's just different now with the internet. That's what I was saying.

1:11:40Van Lathan:Now I'm watching, I'm like, that little kid's going to upload that. Right. I don't think I felt that way in 2011. I also think it's not believable that she's in love with Steve Carell, the babysitter.

1:11:51Bill Simmons:I had that for nitpicks.

1:11:52Van Lathan:Okay. I didn't see that.

1:11:53Bill Simmons:Especially like that version of the size 44. Doesn't care how he looks. Like she's not like, this is my dream guy. From the jump.

1:12:00Van Lathan:It's like when she does the thing with the photo at the beginning, I'm like, come on.

1:12:02Bill Simmons:Yeah. It's not. It's a pretty big stretch. The other what's… Oh, that's it. That's all I had for what's age of the worst. Did you have any?

1:12:11Mina Kimes:like just young people interested in having sex with other people and willing to talk to them to make it happen.

1:12:19David Lindhagen:Is that what you notice when you're going out with ringer people?

1:12:22Mina Kimes:They're fine. But like every, like, you know, the ringer, they're fine, but this is like a lot of angst. There's a lot of angst out in these streets.

1:12:31Bill Simmons:See, you think this would have been AI for now? People bring their phone with their AI companion.

1:12:34Mina Kimes:People were trying to, there's a lot of, there just seems to be a lot of angst. Seems to be a lot of angst about how you can talk to somebody, when you're supposed to talk to someone, not cross it. It seems to be a lot of consternation for a lot of people about how you talk to another person and then have sex with them and what's supposed to be.

1:12:51Van Lathan:Pick up culture at bars generally is just not what it was in 2011, I think.

1:12:57Bill Simmons:Well, you can't, you know, this is, you just gotta have to keep handing off and running it into between the tackles. That's kind of the move. You can't, there's no play action anymore I don't think in 2026 just like safe ground game but yeah I wonder about that all the time how do people how do people connect Craig's out of the game he missed it yeah taking out 2018 okay I'm gonna mount

1:13:22Van Lathan:one more defense for Rykos at a moment where to be like a like a male pickup artist now is like you know jester maxing on the street like grinding down on your bones and shitting on women or whatever. I'm too old, obviously. I don't understand. Isn't there something like a little bit nostalgic about like watching a dude just like, you know, like you said, run between the tackles, like going into the bars and doing the thing. A misguided night. Yeah, a misguided night.

1:13:56David Lindhagen:Yeah. The fear of embarrassment is higher now than it's ever been. And I don't know if that's because of social media. But people don't want to be shut down. No. Yes. It goes wrong.

1:14:05Mina Kimes:And if somebody goes on Twitter and goes, I fucking went out with this guy or this girl

1:14:08David Lindhagen:and look how terrible

1:14:09Mina Kimes:and like yeah or there's videos

1:14:11David Lindhagen:all kinds of issues Gosling's character is volume shooting in this movie and I still know guys who do that but it's becoming more and more rare because you get exposed for it and there's just like a shame in doing it that's just wasn't there back then especially if you do at the same bar every night with your same old fashioned way less tolerance

1:14:26Bill Simmons:for mistakes which in some cases is good but in other cases is not and I think that's seems like that's the difference you have a flex category oh yeah

1:14:35Mina Kimes:my flex category is is just, it's called Damn, He Got It. And let me tell you what the category is.

1:14:43Van Lathan:It's a new one.

1:14:44Mina Kimes:Yeah, it's like, you know, you're a heterosexual guy, but you look at guys - You gotta hand it to him. You gotta hand it to him, man. Like, damn, like, he got it. You know what I mean? Starts off with Lorenz Tate and Love Jones. I remember looking at that movie and being like, oh, man, I'm not gonna lie. This nigga got it. Four is Ryan Gosling Not crazy stupid love though Drive I looked at it Drive the strong silent killer I'm like ah man I'm not gonna lie Ryan Gosling got it man Third one Might be a surprise for you guys Will Smith Hitch

1:15:21Van Lathan:Oh yeah Fully

1:15:23Mina Kimes:You like that shit

1:15:24Van Lathan:Damn he got it

1:15:25Mina Kimes:I knew it He got it See Look at Will man

1:15:28Van Lathan:Such an underrated romantic comedy too

1:15:29Bill Simmons:Peak of his powers My wife was just watching this While she was making granola the other day. And she was just like, this movie's great. Yeah. Why haven't you done this on Rewatchables yet? It's really good. You just look at him.

1:15:41Mina Kimes:He's totally confident. He's got all the rules on his will.

1:15:44Bill Simmons:So he got it, man. Him in Hitch and then him in Focus. Now I just look back nostalgically like I look back at Drake May's first 17 minutes of the season. I'm like, oh man, remember when he could throw the deep ball and roll out? That was fucking awesome. Number two, Brad Pitt. Now a lot of people... A couple of different eras for this too.

1:16:03Mina Kimes:What would you guys say is the Brad Pitt, he got it, number one award?

1:16:08Bill Simmons:This is a multi-era.

1:16:09Van Lathan:I mean, is it messed up for me that it's Fight Club?

1:16:12Mina Kimes:No, a lot of people would say that. But initially it was Thelma and Louise, but that made him a star. Mina, I'll just tell you something, Mina. I'm learning a lot about you. Of all the Brad Pitt guys, the Fight Club is the most toxic one.

1:16:29Bill Simmons:But that's the whole point of that movie. I know.

1:16:32Van Lathan:But it's like, I don't like.

1:16:33Bill Simmons:He's just a man's man in that movie.

1:16:34Van Lathan:The fact that it's such a toxic mixed up role and you're still like, eh.

1:16:38Mina Kimes:See? I'm telling you. I'm telling you. But it's actually for me it's Legends of the Fall.

1:16:45Van Lathan:Oh, with the hair? I can't do it. I can't do the hair. Oh, we're going to do that

1:16:48Bill Simmons:during drama that's now comedy month. Drama that's now comedy month. Legends of the Fall. We're doing that regarding Henry. Can't wait.

1:16:54Van Lathan:Regarding Henry.

1:16:55Bill Simmons:Regarding Henry is hilarious though. Have you seen Regarding Henry lately? I haven't. One of the funniest movies of the last 35 years.

1:17:02Van Lathan:I think the phenomena you're describing is there's a thing in like with athletes too where when a guy is just so unobjectively got it that men become comfortable talking about how handsome and cool he is. You got it. It's like when everyone was like yeah so we're just gonna all talk about Jimmy Garoppolo is like weirdly the best looking person we've ever seen and he just happens to be a quarterback. Yeah. And men are so comfortable saying that and they don't even say no homo after. They're just like you know which is

1:17:30Mina Kimes:It's true. Me and Jimmy also have similar tastes in women. So, and then... I got it. Did you get that one? I throw them out there sometimes. Sometimes they don't work. I got it too. Okay, number one, Billy Dee Williams, Lady Sings the Blues. That's a good one. Wow, deep cutting. Yeah, man. Because I looked around, because there's a lot of other guys. There's an era there. It's like you have Brando in some of those movies. You have Robert Redford. But Billy Dee Williams in Ladies and the Blues Is just about The coolest guy That has ever lived He got it man, that's the list That's a good one

1:18:07Bill Simmons:There's a couple others I think Redford There's a couple different movies for him In the 70s No, The Way We Were and Gatsby I think he was in that

1:18:19Van Lathan:Clooney and Out of Sight

1:18:21Mina Kimes:Clooney and Out of Sight is a great one

1:18:24Van Lathan:While we're here is Gosling the closest we have to Clooney? I think he's where

1:18:30Bill Simmons:I wanted Clooney's career to go but I don't for a variety of reasons it didn't quite happen. And I think part of it was he was older. We grew up with Gosling. is a bigger actor than Ryan Gosling?

1:18:40Mina Kimes:You think that Ryan Gosling? No, no, no.

1:18:42Bill Simmons:I'm saying I wanted Clooney's I wish Clooney's career went the way Gosling's did.

1:18:46David Lindhagen:Oh, I love Clooney's career. I think Clooney's bigger than Gosling. He's more famous but his career's not

1:18:51Bill Simmons:I know. If you actually go through his movies his batting average is not Clooney, you feel that way? I do. I really do.

1:18:58Mina Kimes:But like he has Michael Clayton.

1:19:00Bill Simmons:Yeah, he's got Michael Clayton out of sight. The Oceans movies. Up in the Air. Up in the Air. Up in the Air.

1:19:04Van Lathan:What's the movie where he's in a body? We're kind of done at that point.

1:19:07Bill Simmons:Oh, The Descendants is good. All right, so there's five. I don't know, but he's...

1:19:12Van Lathan:Gosling's 15 years younger than him, though.

1:19:14Mina Kimes:No, no, Gosling still has time. That's true. Yeah. Gosling still has time.

1:19:17Van Lathan:But he's similar to him. Same like cool, sexy guys recognize that.

1:19:22Bill Simmons:I'll do another quarterback analogy. Clooney to me is Kurt Warner. Just started late. Missed his entire 20s. Oh yeah. It's just gone. He's just in failed shows for 10 years. Can't get on a good show and then finally gets on ER.

1:19:37Van Lathan:But he had ER so it was like a long... But ER is in his 30s. Okay.

1:19:41Bill Simmons:Gosling was in Remember the Titans. He's like 19. What was Clooney's fail?

1:19:46Van Lathan:What's his arena football league?

1:19:47Bill Simmons:That's all the shows he did. He was in Fax Alley. He was in, first of all,

1:19:54Mina Kimes:no disrespect to the Facts of Life, shout out Kim Fields and everybody. He was in the Facts of Life reboot. Right. Oh, that's right. Yeah, he was in the, they brought the Facts of Life cast back.

1:20:02Van Lathan:That's wild.

1:20:03Bill Simmons:But this is why Clooney's such a great guy because he failed until he was like 32, which most actors it gets handed to. Jon Hamm as well. Who have success later in life

1:20:13Van Lathan:tend to be either cooler or violently in the opposite direction. Adam Scott.

1:20:18Bill Simmons:Paul Rudd, even though he was in Clueless, but he really wasn't as successful after that for another 10 years. He's another one. But these guys that they bloom later, I think it's better for them. So Billy Dee Williams, number one. Number one. Does that slight suck up to Tracy?

1:20:33Mina Kimes:No. No, it's not. Well, it could be. But no, but you know why it's not? It's because Billy Dee Williams and Lady Sings of Blues was the only one that ever made, like, my dad, which was like, just, you know, my dad is not what you would call woke. It wasn't his thing. Cowboy hat, big gun on his side. But Billy Dee Wood, like that's my father. My dad looked at Billy Dee Wood. God damn. He's something else, huh? He's something else, son. Isn't it freeing though? Dad, you're having a moment, huh?

1:21:03Van Lathan:Like whenever I feel like, I literally have noticed this when men talk about Garoppolo or when you ask, there's nothing that men in sports love more than ranking the top five hottest NFL players. And I feel like it's freeing. I'm telling you, it's been a lot of conversations I've had. Bill, like you wouldn't love having that conversation. I'm trying to remember that NFL Live segment. I'm just saying, men, they've all been thinking about it, but they don't have permission to talk about it. And there's something about a guy who's so unequivocally cool and handsome where you feel this permission to comp...

1:21:34Van Lathan:Because women, we're always like, she's gorgeous, she's stunning, she looks amazing, whatever. You don't get to do that as much as a man.

1:21:39Bill Simmons:We don't totally trust your opinions on that, though. That you're a Zawwoman.

1:21:42Van Lathan:And you get... It's in it freeing, though, like what you're saying. I feel like we're moral. You're overwhelmed with the thing when you got like it. It's undeniable.

1:21:49Mina Kimes:Yeah, he got it.

1:21:51Bill Simmons:Women try to sell certain women as being great looking. No, but no, no. When they're like, no, no, she's great. She's great. No, but they try to sell certain ones, but they don't like other ones. Like Jennifer Love Hewitt.

1:22:03Van Lathan:Text us. They would never accept.

1:22:05Bill Simmons:Oh, she was too threatening.

1:22:06Mina Kimes:She was too threatening. Savannah knows where I'm going. There were some that wouldn't. Try to throw you off the scent a little bit. But they understand that we're on the scent.

1:22:14Van Lathan:This is why people always say this about like Sydney now, right? Like women don't like her because she's too threatening. which I don't actually think is true.

1:22:21Mina Kimes:I mean,

1:22:22Bill Simmons:for a variety of reasons.

1:22:23Mina Kimes:They don't like a lot of other stuff.

1:22:24Bill Simmons:I'll say one thing about Billy Dee Williams. Oh, here we go. I'm into it. He was doing those Colt 45 ads when I was a kid. I knew nothing. I was like, that guy's fucking cool. Remember those ads? Yeah. He was like the coolest person on the planet. So yeah, he was. All right. Best that guy word. John Carroll Lynch, not eligible. Oh, he's not eligible.

1:22:41Van Lathan:Permanent status. Not eligible. Is that guy? Oh, wow. Fargo, Zodiac.

1:22:44Bill Simmons:I have someone for us. Who? Lisa LaPerez. Liz. Emma Stone's friend.

1:22:49Van Lathan:Good call. She's from Fast and Furious,

1:22:51Bill Simmons:the fourth one. Yeah. And she was in 21. 21, yeah. And then she's been in a bunch of stuff. But I never knew what her name was. She pretty as hell. Yeah, she's good. Funny.

1:22:59Van Lathan:So fun. Some of her line deliveries in this movie are great.

1:23:01Bill Simmons:By the way, I couldn't find any casting with ifs. I think the movie hasn't been out long enough yet where they can start making up stuff and being like, Jake Gyllenhaal was supposed to be the lead.

1:23:10Van Lathan:Yeah.

1:23:11Bill Simmons:We just haven't had enough info. Dionne Waiter's award is clearly Marissa Tomei. Easily. She's in three scenes. Yeah. I'm killing it. I mentioned for a recasting couch director city, I would put this movie in Phoenix or Scottsdale. Somewhere or...

1:23:26Van Lathan:Philly.

1:23:28Bill Simmons:Well, I was thinking like somewhere warmer because where you could have an outdoor mall so we could go like Irvine. Go like that area. Outside Irvine. I'm from Scottsdale, by the way. I know this is from Arizona. Rare.

1:23:40Van Lathan:Craig, you have a flex.

1:23:41David Lindhagen:Book about medals award, belatedly best quote. Or what's the most 2011 thing about this movie? It can be both. It's a throwaway line that I have not realized until this most recent rewatch. It's when Robbie the kid is walking his mom blindfolded down the stairs. And she's kind of nervous. And he goes, Mom, relax. It's your husband, not Al Qaeda. Oh, shoot. Which is just like the most. Is that the most 2011 thing about the movie? It's the most 13-year-old boy thing to say in 2011. Bin Laden was killed three months before that movie came out. Wow. Yeah. It's just like perfectly. Like something a 13-year-old would think is funny and relevant.

1:24:16David Lindhagen:Yeah.

1:24:16Mina Kimes:And by the way, she's in a blindfold. So it's like the whole nine.

1:24:19David Lindhagen:And you just kind of move right past that and it goes right to Corral at like the little mini golf thing. And you just don't even know about that line.

1:24:26Mina Kimes:That is good. That's a good one. It is very... Did we go past Hot as Take? No, you didn't. We dropped a few.

1:24:33Bill Simmons:Oh, you didn't get one. Go, you do yours.

1:24:35Mina Kimes:Okay. I think this movie asks an interesting question.

1:24:39Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:24:40Mina Kimes:Does marriage need a halftime?

1:24:43Van Lathan:Okay. Okay.

1:24:45Mina Kimes:Oh, wow. I was trying to talk about this

1:24:46Van Lathan:because I have another question for you about this.

1:24:48Mina Kimes:So let's think about what happens in this movie. Like, with the Super Bowl show? So tell me, let's think about what happens in this movie. Is it a long halftime? So you have, you have, like, everything else that's really good that we all love has a halftime.

1:25:00David Lindhagen:This is some of your best work, fan.

1:25:02Mina Kimes:Okay. Cook. It has a halftime. We go, No, I'm so excited to talk about this. First half, there's a whole narrative, then you stop for a little while, go do your own thing, okay? You regroup, and then you come back in and you finish the game. It'll never work. In this movie right here, what essentially happens in this movie, what this movie actually is, is the story of a marriage halftime. The halftime is initiated by the Julianne Moore character. She needs something else. Lynn Hagen provides the fucking spark.

1:25:30Bill Simmons:Lynn Hagen. He's hogging.

1:25:32Mina Kimes:He's hogging it up. He provides the spark. Then that triggers the halftime of the Steve Carell character, a guy who had only been with one woman. He goes and he gets with nine women. He ends up at nine. Brings him the 10, double digits, respectable. Now he can come back out and they can finish the marriage game having had a little halftime. This is the marriage halftime story of our times.

1:26:00Van Lathan:The two married people here. Three. Three, okay. Do you guys know any married people who have separated, broken up, took a break, dated other people prolifically and then got back together? I do not

1:26:14Bill Simmons:Ben Affleck and J-Lo I only know people that dated for a long time In like high school slash college Broke up And then got back together and married Which happened to a couple friends But that was not a marriage halftime

1:26:28Mina Kimes:Telling you guys think about this It would never work Think about this They are 25 years in Guys they're 25 years in Take a quick halftime Draw up some new plays Here's the problem. It's a fundamental problem.

1:26:46Bill Simmons:There's a major issue here. What if one of the two people enjoy halftime a little too much?

1:26:51Van Lathan:Nine women is too many. That's my take here. No, no. I thought about this watching the movie. He goes hard. Yeah. If they had both cheated with one person, I think it's believable.

1:27:02Bill Simmons:But how many months do we think is going on here? Like four?

1:27:04Mina Kimes:But Mina, here's the problem with that, though. Only one of them cheated. Right. So to me, the question is, how many people is one cheat worth?

1:27:14David Lindhagen:Well, the marriage halftime would have to be a conscious decision that you both are going to now see other people. It can't start with one person cheating. That's true. This is not a halftime.

1:27:24Bill Simmons:That's a bad start to the halftime show. This becomes a halftime.

1:27:27Mina Kimes:But what I'm saying is this movie is actually talking about the fact that their love endured the halftime.

1:27:31Van Lathan:For the purpose of the movie, her cheating as the catalyst for everything is very important because it gives us license to still like him because she was the original sin. So him having sex with nine women, as viewers, we're like, you know what? It's the get back, you know, like the cheater, cheater, aren't you? Inside the relationship, it doesn't add up that way. Even if she was the cheater, it's not like, okay, cool, you've slept with nine women. It just wouldn't.

1:27:57David Lindhagen:The amount of screaming matches that would take place at dinner were like, you fucked Lynn Hagen first.

1:28:01Van Lathan:Yeah. You fucked nine women after that. It's like, it would never work. It just wouldn't work, yeah.

1:28:06Mina Kimes:It doesn't work. I'm just kidding.

1:28:07Van Lathan:She also dates Lynn Hagen.

1:28:08Bill Simmons:there's a slight tilt on this though because she's allegedly the villain but he kind of drives her to the cheat right

1:28:17Van Lathan:that's the thing and realizes that so in a weird way

1:28:19Bill Simmons:he's kind of the villain because he stopped trying in the marriage and drove her drove her to David fucking Lindhagen who sucks

1:28:26Mina Kimes:they're at a restaurant at the beginning of the movie he looks terrible the restaurant looks fucking terrible he ate too much he wants to split a dessert he's not even man enough for dessert he's getting home and have some Tums and be in the bowl he's gonna fuck the whole house up it's like and so she's had enough of that what they really needed though was halftime a quick break and then they come back to each other so

1:28:49Bill Simmons:best celebrity halftime ever was probably J-Lo and Ben Affleck they took like a 20 year halftime

1:28:54Van Lathan:but that didn't work out

1:28:56Bill Simmons:didn't work out

1:28:56Van Lathan:I think when a man and women get back together and I have known people and I've known of people it's never never is the case where the man went out, had sex with a ton of women. It's the man going out and realizing that he can't do it anymore. Yeah. That's how it happens. That's how halftime plays out when you're middle-aged.

1:29:24Mina Kimes:He doesn't belong in the streets. He can't do it anymore.

1:29:26Van Lathan:You don't want to be out here like the famous thread.

1:29:29Bill Simmons:Put the ball on the tee, kick it back off again. It's like the Phil Rivers comeback. Right. You can just kind of drive the ball to the 20. half-assinant research so this is so weird it has to be true Emma Stone the first time she got lifted up she had like a full-scale meltdown that Gosling described as a possum falling out of a tree and trying to scratch her eyes out she ran away crying had to calm down and it turned out when she was seven years old she fell off the high bars in gymnastics and broke both of her arms and had like a PTSD flashback and they had to use a body double.

1:30:06David Lindhagen:Yeah, because they cut away. I thought this was so weird. They're outside the rooms and you can't really tell.

1:30:10Bill Simmons:So you can see it when you watch the movie. It's like an obvious, it's not her. They cut away really far away and then do this like jump cut to her. Really weird. Emma Stone was three days older in real life than The Babysitter. Oh, interesting. Locations in the movie other than the Century City Mall, Ventura Boulevard, Hollywood Hills, Taft High School, Grant High School and Viennese, El Torito Grill at the Sherman Oaks Galleria and Equinox in Woodland Hills. So they played all the hits. I don't know where... What's that part of... When you go over the hill. Laurel Canyon. I don't know why that Laurel Canyon wasn't worked into a scene.

1:30:48Bill Simmons:But they hit everything else. All right, Apex Mountain. Gosling?

1:30:55Van Lathan:I've thought about this a lot.

1:30:57Bill Simmons:2011, this and Drive. Coming off a nice seven-year run and he's now established as an A-plus lister.

1:31:02Van Lathan:Ken is hard Ken and Barbie

1:31:05Bill Simmons:for which he was nominated and he sings

1:31:08Van Lathan:and he's so good in it it's tough I would say for me their on-screen chemistry obviously and I think their relationship

1:31:19Bill Simmons:I would say La La Land for him after a lot of thought

1:31:22Mina Kimes:I would probably say La La Land because it felt like after that movie he could make whatever movie I would say La La Land but the combination of this and drive, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's tough.

1:31:35Bill Simmons:It's a good, I've always had this theory about when they do the Oscars, they have an MVP, like Drake May versus Matt Stafford. And we do the MVP and it has to be two movies or more that are really good. And if they just, they just like gave a special little award.

1:31:49Van Lathan:This is my thing on coach of the year is like everybody always rewards the one-year turnaround. I voted for Mike McDonald because I was like, this was a two, he went from a bottom five defense to the best defense in the NFL in two years. celebrate that accomplishment.

1:32:01Bill Simmons:So like two-year coach of the year almost.

1:32:03Van Lathan:Well, just, they're always like, every year it's just who, yeah, who turned it around.

1:32:07Bill Simmons:I like that because sometimes like the Jim Carrey's the most famous. We talked about this when, in 94, he was the three comedies all in one year. You just gave him like the Oscars MVP for best whatever. Emma Stone, no. Not sure what it is for her.

1:32:21David Lindhagen:It's probably also La La Lange.

1:32:23Bill Simmons:Probably also La La Lange, yeah. Julianne Moore, it's somewhere in the 90s, late 90s, post Boogie Nights. It's definitely earlier.

1:32:29Van Lathan:She's good in this.

1:32:31Bill Simmons:Singles bars in 21st century movies? Yeah. Because the singles bars kind of die as a movie location as we get into 2020s post-COVID.

1:32:42Mina Kimes:Especially like a place that orients the whole movie? Yeah, for sure. This would be… I'm trying to think of anything. Is there anything else? No. This would be it.

1:32:51Bill Simmons:Corral. It's got to be mid-2000s. The office. When he's in the office. He's still on the office. No, but it's got the office with… Little Miss Sunshine. He's just come off 40-Year-Old Virgin and Anchorman. It's got to be that.

1:33:05Mina Kimes:Yeah, because he goes, he gets an Oscar nomination out of that, doesn't he? For Little Miss Sunshine? Yeah. So he becomes

1:33:12Bill Simmons:legitimately... Characters jumping out of a car. It's this. Not Lady Bird because they ripped it off. Vodka cranberries as an actual plot device in a movie.

1:33:21Van Lathan:Can't think of another one.

1:33:23Bill Simmons:You ever had a vodka cranberry? No. It's not good. It's okay if you tell them very light splash of the cranberries. So it's just a little… But if it's actual cranberry juice, that's fucking disgusting. Who wants to drink that at 10 at night?

1:33:35Van Lathan:I don't do vodka drinks generally.

1:33:37Bill Simmons:Really? What's your drink? Yeah.

1:33:40Van Lathan:Anything tequila mezcal.

1:33:41Bill Simmons:There you go. Hardcore. There you go. Old-fashioned. No. Dirty dancing homages. I'm going to say yes. Yeah.

1:33:52Van Lathan:Yeah.

1:33:53Bill Simmons:And then the Century City Mall. No. Because it's right now. Right now. Apex Pound is 2020 fucking 6. Unbelievable.

1:34:02Mina Kimes:The weather's getting good right now. My mom's in town. I'm just going to take her to the greatest place in the world. One of the few things in modern society

1:34:08Van Lathan:that just keeps getting better instead of worse. Moss. Century City. Cruise or Hanks?

1:34:16Mina Kimes:It's clearly Hanks. Really? What about Cruise as Gosling?

1:34:22Van Lathan:Would have been great as a young... A young Cruise would have been great in this world. Like cocktail Cruise? Yeah, like cocktail Cruise.

1:34:28Mina Kimes:as Gosling.

1:34:29Van Lathan:And as evidenced by the fact that Edge of Tomorrow was one of my picks, I always think Tom Cruise is as best when he's funny.

1:34:35Mina Kimes:Yeah, like, you let Tom go a little bit, have some fun, like, get into the whole deal with that version of him. He could have definitely

1:34:41Bill Simmons:pulled that off.

1:34:42Van Lathan:Absolutely. Totally agree.

1:34:43Bill Simmons:Cruise hitting on women and cocktail, if he has that energy for this, I think I'd vote for that. Yeah.

1:34:49David Lindhagen:Great.

1:34:51Bill Simmons:Cruise.

1:34:51David Lindhagen:Cruise is Gosling and Hanks is Carell. I mean, they could both. That kind of works, too.

1:34:56Bill Simmons:Scorsese or Spielberg, it's probably Spielberg Scorsese's version of this movie would be pretty crazy somebody's hiding cocaine at some point right best hang worst hang Emma Stone's clearly the best hang in this movie who's the worst hang uh the babysitter the babysitter yeah you definitely shouldn't be hanging on you'd be in the Epstein files alright I have a great pick and knit but you guys can go first cause mine's gonna win um no I didn't have one I actually couldn't find one Mine was the bar stuff

1:35:28Van Lathan:Which we already hit on

1:35:29Bill Simmons:Why does an 8th grade boy Need a babysitter?

1:35:32Van Lathan:Isn't she the babysitter For the little sister? Or is it kind of a Kid's 14

1:35:36Bill Simmons:He could watch the little girl Who by the way is Jodie King

1:35:38Van Lathan:Which I didn't notice Until this movie

1:35:40Bill Simmons:So I'll say something here The 8th grader Could absolutely watch His little sister

1:35:44Mina Kimes:I think this is generational Because I've seen people do this I don't know what was going on In the 80s By the time I was 8 I was at the house alone Using the stove Legitimately If I wanted to cook something, I would make scrambled eggs and cook it myself. But now, I see stuff like this. I see people say they have 12-year-old kids or whatever, and they don't want to leave the kids alone by themselves.

1:36:08Bill Simmons:We were leaving our kids alone 13, 14. Oh, okay. I just like, they're old enough, and what's going to happen?

1:36:16Van Lathan:I used to babysit growing up, and there was definitely an age, especially with little boys, where you're like, yeah, neither of us feel great about this. Right. Like, I'm 16. You're 12. This feels weird. Yeah. We shouldn't be... 100%. And I'd be like, bro, I'm just here to watch South Park. Yeah. Right. Which I don't get to watch at home. Yeah. You can do whatever you want. Right. And I'm making my$8 an hour.

1:36:38Bill Simmons:do you want to crunch some Seahawks tape? He's like, no. It's just a weird... Please stop staring at me.

1:36:42Van Lathan:There is... Or it would be like when you would be... I would hand... You and me had trick-or-treating candy and like a kid who's a little bit too old comes up to trick-or-treat and you have this awkward charged moment. that's how it felt

1:36:51Mina Kimes:is there some guy somewhere going right now talking to his buddies going dude the girl on ESPN bro that's my babysitter that's my babysitter bro I was a

1:37:02Van Lathan:I was such a bad babysitter so bad

1:37:07Bill Simmons:we mentioned would the babysitter have a crush on Steve Carell I'm gonna say no

1:37:11Van Lathan:that's a good one

1:37:11Bill Simmons:we mentioned Kyle's wife being mad that he slept with the teacher seems a little hypocritical um bad stunt double cut in the dirty dancing scene was my other one. Really, obviously not MS STEM. Sequel, prequel, Prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. Prestige TV version of this would be pretty interesting. Be fine. I think they would have to bring everything together in the final scene, but we could spend more time with each character. I'm not against it, but it also feels like it's an Apple show. I could see it.

1:37:41Van Lathan:I was going to say, it feels like you could see them in the box. Bill Lawrence type show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ted Lasso. You could see them doing it

1:37:48Bill Simmons:and then you're watching it going, that probably just should have been a movie. No, it's funny. Like, that Burbs show on Peacock, not bad.

1:37:55Mina Kimes:And I, the Burbs, the original, is one of my favorite movies.

1:37:58Bill Simmons:Is it based on the original Burbs? It is. Oh, interesting. It's based on the original Burbs. I just thought they stole the title.

1:38:04Mina Kimes:The lady that plays, I guess, Bruce Dern's wife in that movie, she's back. She's playing the same character. It's on the same street. Same thing. So they call back to a lot of stuff. so I think when they take those old movies like that and make them into longer shows it can work sometimes I could see this working

1:38:24Bill Simmons:we have the is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins Fergie the florist or anyone else you want to imitate I didn't have one we can skip this one especially after last week CR did Zane Lowe and it kind of kind of brought the house down I don't know did we retire the category it was special you guys don't want to do the category anymore

1:38:39Mina Kimes:this is my favorite fucking shit I just didn't have one I didn't personally have one CR category this movie is so well cast

1:38:45Van Lathan:and like you said they got all of these stars it's very hard to replace any of them yeah

1:38:51Bill Simmons:I was I was workshopping an idea of when Stephen A comes into the get up set at 6.49am Pacific time but I couldn't figure out how to do it when he just walks in and he's like I'm Stephen A give me a mic and they do it and it just stops the show and then they have to figure out how to get him a chair but I couldn't figure out how to do that with our set so I decided not to just one Oscar who gets it

1:39:15Mina Kimes:I would go either the script or I think this is a really underrated Steve Carell performance. Really? Yeah. Steve Carell gets to show almost everything he can do in the movie. By the end of the movie, he's kind of broken down when he's having that conversation with Gosling. It is very dramatic and you feel him. He's funny in the movie. He's vulnerable in it. he's held both he captive by the energy of Ryan Gosling and then he is able by the end of the movie to impose himself on him I think it's a really good Steve Carell performance

1:39:51Bill Simmons:I think Mina and I have the same one

1:39:53Van Lathan:the guys he was nominated for a Golden Globe

1:39:57Bill Simmons:he was if you go back to best actor in a supporting role for this this year Christopher Plummer wins for Beginners oh I love that movie old personal word that not a great LA movie

1:40:07Van Lathan:by the way

1:40:08Bill Simmons:Max Van Sadeau in uh Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close. Double O guy in supporting. Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close should not have generated an Oscar nomination. I'm just going to say that. It was tough. Nick Nolte in Warrior, he's really good. Three O guys in supporting.

1:40:24Mina Kimes:Warrior's good. Warrior's good. That one's good.

1:40:27Bill Simmons:Kenneth Branagh on My Week with Marilyn. I don't even remember that movie. And then Jonah Hill in Moneyball. I think Gosselin could have snuck in there.

1:40:34Van Lathan:I would say his performance in this is comparable to his performance in Barbie.

1:40:38Bill Simmons:They don't do comedies, period. unless it's like you could swap out Jonah Hill in Moneyball

1:40:42David Lindhagen:Gosling in this is better than Jonah Hill there's no question 100 %

1:40:45Bill Simmons:we could go in LA right now and try to find the one person who thinks Jonah Hill is better than Gosling I mean he's good and it would take five hours we go to the Century City Mall and try to do it oh by the way

1:40:57Mina Kimes:Gosling back at the Century City Mall in Barbie oh

1:41:02Bill Simmons:double back at Century City I have two unanswerable questions did you did either of you have any I never have any is the hardest category for me. Was the babysitter eventually arrested?

1:41:17Van Lathan:Okay, wait.

1:41:18Bill Simmons:She gave photos to a 14-year-old. Is this a good time to talk about the age senior in high school?

1:41:22Van Lathan:Generally in this movie being a little bit confusing. So she's 17, right?

1:41:27Bill Simmons:Mm-hmm. She's 17.

1:41:28Van Lathan:And he's 13. He's 13.

1:41:30Bill Simmons:I thought he was 14. No, he's 13, I believe. 13. But he's graduating in eighth grade. Which is why

1:41:35Van Lathan:they make Steve Carell and his wife in their 40s even though they're very clearly in their 50s. At one point, she's like, I'm 44. I'm like, oh, they're both in their 50s. But it's because they have to compress all of the ages to make the whole thing work. But the three kids are 23, 13,

1:41:50Bill Simmons:and then like six.

1:41:51Van Lathan:Because Steve Carell had Emma Stone when he was 17 himself.

1:41:54Mina Kimes:Which is why they got married. Right. And so, yeah,

1:41:57Bill Simmons:they had to kind of mess with the ages. I thought the ages were all over the place. It's confusing. I have no idea how old Gosling's supposed to be. I'm going to guess like 29.

1:42:04Van Lathan:The tough thing about the photos too is like, it just didn't need to be in the movie. She could have just given him a little kiss on the cheek or something.

1:42:11David Lindhagen:But you needed to fuel the fight scene at the end. You needed to get John Carroll Lynch over there.

1:42:15Van Lathan:Oh, and then her giving it to him. Oh, literally. Not taking the photos.

1:42:18David Lindhagen:Yeah, her bringing those to the eighth grade graduation, having those in an envelope. But this is the thing. It's kind of weird. They used to do stuff like that. Here's your graduation gift.

1:42:25Mina Kimes:They used to do stuff like that in movies. But that's the point. In the 80s, they did it because we didn't know any better. Yeah, so I'm glad that we stopped. But you go back and you watch these movies now. Yeah, this works in a John Hughes movie. Like a young coming-of-age story with some 16-year-old kid having sex with a 35-year-old woman or something like that. They used to do shit like that.

1:42:43David Lindhagen:I don't think I have a problem with the ages. Like the 13, 17, the photos thing, I think it's fine.

1:42:47Bill Simmons:I think it's realistic because when you're 13, you feel like you have a chance with everybody. You have no idea.

1:42:53Van Lathan:Everyone's trying to act older. That's why I maintain the only unrealistic thing is the babysitter thinking she has a chance with Steve Carell's character. There's no chance. Which makes no sense. Yeah, the 13, 17-year-old dynamic doesn't bother me at all.

1:43:04Mina Kimes:So you think the 17-year-old giving the naked pictures to a 13-year-old is fine?

1:43:08David Lindhagen:It's corny and weird. You want to say this on that? It would never happen. But the ages was not the reason why I don't think that worked.

1:43:14Mina Kimes:Oh, okay. Okay. Because I'm about to search your name. Probably an answer for questions.

1:43:22Bill Simmons:What was Jacob's job? Did he have a job?

1:43:25Van Lathan:No. Oh, he's rich. Just inherited wealth. He said his dad made a lot of money. What did he do all day? That is a great question. What do you do?

1:43:34Mina Kimes:What are we doing all day? We didn't know that. Man, these bars getting busy. What are you talking about?

1:43:38Bill Simmons:He fucking worked out and went to a bar? It's a fucking weird place.

1:43:41Mina Kimes:We got a job. Sitting alcoholic? Our job is we snow plowing. We through here. We seeing all the snow that's in these bars. We seeing the charity? What did he care about? Actually, but you had a couple of black ladies. Five years later, he has a YouTube channel

1:43:52David Lindhagen:about how to pick up women.

1:43:53Van Lathan:This is why 2011 was a better time because guys like that didn't have podcast mics.

1:43:58Bill Simmons:That's true. 24 hours a day. What's he doing?

1:44:01Van Lathan:Working out. You saw his body. Work it out

1:44:04Bill Simmons:Hook it up

1:44:04Van Lathan:To drink that much And have a body like that You gotta spend How much

1:44:08Mina Kimes:You gotta be in the gym a lot He was doing the handstand Bro You know what I should've talked You know what I don't like I don't know what The handstand The handstand pushups That I see People doing in the gym Yeah Every time It's not even about being jealous Cause shout out to you I'm sure the handstand pushup Has Some utility Other than to make The rest of us look fat as fuck

1:44:28Bill Simmons:Yeah

1:44:29Mina Kimes:But whenever I see somebody Doing the handstand pushups I wanna go punch them in the abs man stop doing that so he did that in the movie and you have to be a fantastic athlete to do that

1:44:39Bill Simmons:I think that something's missing with him with that character he might have been more of a bad person than we realized or maybe he just podcasts hadn't really emerged yet for him

1:44:48Van Lathan:I like how you said that and Van instantly looked at me to defend him I want you

1:44:51Mina Kimes:yeah what's the defense for him

1:44:52Van Lathan:yeah I mean he is a trust fund guy what do trust funders do all day is an age old question that is true he could add a little side business or something I mean

1:45:02Bill Simmons:I don't know. I've invested in this thing called Quickster that Netflix has. I'm a believer. Like anything. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? I had trouble with this one. It definitely would not be the photos. I guess that's my answer. Bill is putting that on the record. He's not interested in having

1:45:27Van Lathan:17-year-old photos. Please do not give me the photos.

1:45:30Bill Simmons:Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, we're best, worst, life lesson.

1:45:34David Lindhagen:Straws are phallic. Yeah.

1:45:36Mina Kimes:I did this one. Straws are phallic. It's a cool one. No, Cal, the meanest thing anyone's ever said to you is your wife cheated on you because you lost sight of what it took to keep her content at home as a man, as a husband, and probably as a lover. Jesus Christ. If that don't make you take your... That's a reality check. Your vitamins right there.

1:45:56Bill Simmons:That's when you stop shopping at The Gap. That's when you stop shopping at The Gap, man. what do you have for best double feature choice Nina just this twice in a row

1:46:08Van Lathan:I think people should watch this and then watch La La Land and just come back and tell me which movie Gosling and Stone have better chemistry in I think you'll agree with me looking right at the camera

1:46:22Bill Simmons:it's really good

1:46:23Van Lathan:me asking the CX draft Malik Willis in the second round in 2020 I just think if you watch them back to back you will see that they are better together in this movie. I am dying on this hill.

1:46:34Mina Kimes:Pretty Woman. I actually watched it after I watched it. It's Pretty Woman. It's a great movie. Pretty Woman is just like an elite movie. Fantastic, bro. It's like great. When they don't let her,

1:46:45Bill Simmons:they kick her out of the store. Big mistake.

1:46:47Mina Kimes:You really feel it. I have all this money. I have all this money. Nobody will help me. I have all this money. She was such a precious person. You watched Wonder Man, right? I did. So good. When he does the Pretty Woman scene,

1:46:57Van Lathan:It took me a tick too long to realize what he was doing. Have you seen Wonder Man?

1:47:02Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:47:02Van Lathan:When he does the Pretty Woman monologue. It's so good.

1:47:05Bill Simmons:I have Focus as my double featured choice because I actually think these movies cop on each other.

1:47:09Mina Kimes:What the fuck is going on? You have mentioned Focus.

1:47:13Van Lathan:Focus hype is crazy.

1:47:14Mina Kimes:It's the same director.

1:47:15Bill Simmons:We've already done it on rewatchables. It's good.

1:47:18Van Lathan:You've done Focus and not Hitch.

1:47:21Bill Simmons:Yeah, Wesley likes Focus too. We did Focus. Focus is… Listen, it taps into this Will Smith side that no other movie tapped into. Okay. So this was the thing for me. Marco Robbio brought something out of him.

1:47:34Mina Kimes:Yeah, yeah.

1:47:35Van Lathan:They had real...

1:47:35Bill Simmons:They had real chemistry. That was an issue for him over the years.

1:47:39Mina Kimes:I was concerned with focus with Will Smith because of... I was concerned. I'll tell you why. Like, when a rapper... You know a rapper's career is over not when he makes a whack album, but when he makes a good album and nobody cares. Ooh. So like, when you come out and you drop some whack shit, it is what it is. But when you're around telling people, hey, you really gotta listen to this. This shit is hot and just nobody is on it. Yeah. That's when you know the rapper that hip hop has moved on, right? Focus to me, I was like, oh shit. Because I went to watch Focus and I was like, yo man, he's good in this.

1:48:18Mina Kimes:Like, this is a good movie. Was it not a hit?

1:48:21Van Lathan:Was it not successful? I thought it was.

1:48:22Mina Kimes:It actually did pretty well. It was okay.

1:48:24Bill Simmons:It didn't do as well as a normal Will Smith movie.

1:48:26Mina Kimes:Right. And that had more to do with he was 20-year run, you know? Right, but it also was a movie that people were expecting to kind of be a return to form. Now, Will eventually kind of did return to form, and then, you know, the…

1:48:37Bill Simmons:Hall of Famer, Margot Robbie's in that movie.

1:48:39Mina Kimes:Right.

1:48:40Bill Simmons:I think that's when you waived the five-year waiting period.

1:48:42Mina Kimes:No, no. That was… I waived it for Wolf. For Wolf Wall Street.

1:48:45Bill Simmons:It was around there.

1:48:46Mina Kimes:In right there.

1:48:47Bill Simmons:Who won the movie? I have Gosling. Gosling, too. Yeah, that's right. It's his movie. Interesting that Gosling just easily wins it. You have Gosling?

1:48:54David Lindhagen:He wins almost every movie he's in.

1:48:56Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:48:57Van Lathan:What's a movie he's been in that he doesn't win?

1:48:59Mina Kimes:That's a good question. Maybe Big Short?

1:49:02Van Lathan:Yeah, that has too many people.

1:49:03Mina Kimes:I'm going to be honest with you, though. If you really think about it with the Big Short, he's also stealing every scene that he's in in that movie. But it's too much of a pure ensemble for almost anyone to win.

1:49:14Bill Simmons:Producer Craig's moment now. I know you were fired up when did this movie.

1:49:18David Lindhagen:Yeah, I think this is the best rom-com of the 2000s. It's the defining rom-com of my generation, I think. It's 2011, though. Yeah, this movie came out the weekend I turned 17. And it's crazy how influential. Thinking back now, it's been a while since I've seen it. Man, did Gosling's character influence my male perspective as a 17-year-old kid. I remember searching online for months trying to find his exact sunglasses, and I found them. I almost bought them. They were like$250. I didn't do it. Wow. Like V-necks, his haircut, the whole way you interact with women. I mean, honestly, like his physique was like, fuck, I got to start working out.

1:49:59David Lindhagen:I got to look like Gosling. It was like peak male physique. It was wild looking back. Man, I was like, this really drinking old fashions? Yes. I was 17 years old.

1:50:08Van Lathan:A whole generation of men, I feel like now.

1:50:09David Lindhagen:I'm going to start drinking old fashions now because Ryan Gosling says that's cool. And I am like actively in love with Gosling and Emma Stone together as a couple. and I'm a huge La La Land fan.

1:50:19Bill Simmons:Wow. Rave reviews. I like this way more than Death Wish. A little bit. I hated Death Wish.

1:50:25David Lindhagen:You know what's a scene that we didn't talk about that I think is sneaky great and very effective? When Corell is at night looking through the window on the phone. Oh, yeah. It's a really emotional touching scene that really, really works.

1:50:37Van Lathan:Another needle drop I love is when they play the talking heads while he's watering the lawn. Yeah.

1:50:41David Lindhagen:The whole concept of him sneaking to the house at night to water the lawn is a great idea.

1:50:44Mina Kimes:But the scene he's looking in the window at her, now they have to pretend not to love each other. That's how broken things are. Things are so broken that now they have to invent a conceit to see each other that doesn't really exist because their bond is so strong with their communication. Yeah, you can see the desperation

1:51:01David Lindhagen:in Julianne Moore. It's really good.

1:51:03Mina Kimes:Yeah.

1:51:03Van Lathan:There's some bit characters we didn't even talk about. Josh Groban. Yeah.

1:51:09Mina Kimes:Unmentioned. He's so weird that he's in this. He's super funny in this movie. Yeah. But he is funny.

1:51:13Van Lathan:One I didn't know at the time, but now after watching Pluribus. Carolina Ouedra is one of the women that he hits on. You watch Pluribus, right? Azocha and Pluribus is… There's a lot of great kind of smaller roles.

1:51:25Mina Kimes:You didn't see it yet?

1:51:26Van Lathan:You didn't watch Pluribus?

1:51:27Mina Kimes:Nah, I skipped it. I watched the first episode. I was like, I'm good. After that pilot, you weren't interested in it?

1:51:33Van Lathan:The pilot is… It slows down around and then it picks up.

1:51:38Mina Kimes:Yeah, because if the pilot didn't make you watch the second one, then… It's no Tell Me Lies. Oh, there you go. You like what you like? She's good, man.

1:51:49Bill Simmons:There's been some good stuff I've liked lately. The JFK show is great. It's so hard to watch for me, though. So sad. It's really good. I don't think my wife has been locked into a show like this JFK show. Maybe… It's been years. Like, if they made us pay-per-view the last couple episodes, I don't know.

1:52:09Van Lathan:See, his fashion has aged so well. That's what she loves. I'm like, this is how all men dress now.

1:52:14Bill Simmons:She loved the early 90s bar, New York, fashion. Like, just how they were just so careful about how they did everything. It's really good.

1:52:21Mina Kimes:He was the man. But I tell you what, that show is kicking Daryl Hannah's ass.

1:52:25Van Lathan:That's what I've heard.

1:52:26Mina Kimes:They making Daryl Hannah look like she not from Roxanne or Splash. They kicking Daryl Hannah's ass in that show. It's pretty tough. Yeah.

1:52:34Bill Simmons:I was actually with a group of people with one person who went to college with JFK Jr. and was like so what's he like and he was like just an incredibly handsome guy like you just everybody felt that way does he a gotta have a guy or does he a gotta guy like one of your guys like he was just like he was just really handsome every woman was in love with him and it was all as advertised

1:52:59Mina Kimes:it's so funny to me because you know this is not a diss to the Kennedys in any way shape or form but great start to a sentence it's like they would always talk about like how great looking the Kennedys were and all of that stuff like that And then I would look at him And I would be like I don't see it Yeah You know what I mean I don't see it Thin lips Big teeth

1:53:16Van Lathan:This is like most wasps though Like most Like if you look at it too long You're like

1:53:21Bill Simmons:But JFK Jr. He was like The hair He was legitimately Height Hair Chin Perfect hair Perfect aura

1:53:29Mina Kimes:But I think it was because of Jackie though It was He was But he was legitimately the man

1:53:33Bill Simmons:Like for real I mean it's funny that The old Seinfeld episode When he's at Elaine's gym I mean that leads to the whole Master of the Domain thing but just that he isn't even in it but as a character like that's how revered he was in that era I think that's a really good show poor son of a bitch Mina going to the combine by the time people watch this you're gonna be in Indianapolis eating San Elmo's shrimp in a bar with 190 NFL guys

1:54:01Van Lathan:when you hit me about doing by the way I think I first asked you to do this movie like three years ago so I'm so glad that we actually are doing it but when you hit me I was so relieved because I've just been watching I was telling you weird combine shit LSU cornerbacks for like the last 24 hours and this movie was a nice break

1:54:19Bill Simmons:Mina great to see you Van thank you as always thanks to Craig thanks to Chris thanks to Eduardo and Gahal as always and we will see you oh next week CR month oh this is it

1:54:32Van Lathan:is all Chris's choices

1:54:33Bill Simmons:it's it's all Chris movies it's CR month it's five episodes and the first one is going to be Sicario live on March 2nd, I think at 6 p.m. PT or ET, I can't remember. Three Pacific. Three Pacific.

1:54:49Van Lathan:Perfect movie.

1:54:49Bill Simmons:Six ET, Sicario. CR's been calling for it ever since we started the podcast, so it's finally happening. See you next week.

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