‘Domestic Disturbance’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

10:38Bill Simmons:I have a lot of ideas for this later. For the Rated version of this? I just think PG-13 is a death sentence.

10:45Sean Fennessey:Do we think that they shot them and cut them out? I do. There's an 111-minute version of this movie that doesn't exist, basically.

10:53Bill Simmons:Yeah, they cut. There's a whole story behind it where I have it. It was supposed to be end of 2001. 9-11 happens. Paramount has to rush Zoolander up because Ed Burns has Sidewalks of New York. It's their big September movie. And they can't do it because it's New York. They move Zoolander up. I saw Zoolander in the theater in Boston maybe two weeks after 9-11 and people just weren't ready for a comedy. Yeah, it didn't do well. It was a weird vibe. Even though that movie is beloved now. So they push this movie up to like October and they decide it needs to be shorter and they just chop 22 minutes from it.

11:33Bill Simmons:Now, the counter would be should this movie have had 22 more minutes? But the thing they did, they did that, and they did the PG-13 thing. And you can see, there's a lot of times they're saying fuck, but they're changing it to, don't fool with me, Chris. Who says don't fool with me? Well, the weird thing is that he goes, you're a fucking liar, Danny. So they had a number of F-bombs that they couldn't... Yeah, yeah. When you... So you only know Vince Vaughn from the comedy Vince Vaughn. So when you see him trying to think this was a career path for him? Is it amusing? Certainly amusing. I think when he's playing baseball, he is kind of comedy Vince Vaughn in this movie.

12:14When he's like, I don't want to catch it up here, I don't want to catch it over here, I want to catch it down here. But I actually think that, I don't think in a vacuum, Dan's such a good athlete. Why does he start throwing his throat? I think in a vacuum, Vince Vaughn's not bad in this movie as a villain. I think he's, if this movie were made right and there was 15 more minutes in it, I don't think he's bad.

12:32Sean Fennessey:He's not the problem in the Psycho remake or Clay Pigeons or The Cell. It's not that he's a bad actor. It actually is just that he's not exploiting what he's so amazing at. He's like aggro Chevy Chase. That's his persona. He's fast-talking, smarter than nobody else in the room, kind of a dickhead but very lovable. That's his comic persona. It's an amazing persona. In old school, that's some of the funniest shit you're ever going to see in a movie in the 2000s. but you can feel him like really trying to to broaden his horizons to try to be a much more serious kind of performer and like it's just not what he's best at and like you can you can feel the acceptance in the late 2000s of him just being like you know what this just makes more sense for me he basically does that until true detective season two right like when he and now he's kind of pivoted back where he's doing you know cell block 99 and and um and dragged across concrete and he's trying to go back to the like hard-edged thriller stuff that he really likes in his career which I respect but it wasn't going to make him a star you can also prop your career up in different ways cause like his big thing now is this show on Apple called Bad Monkey which I personally don't love the show but it is a perfect Vince Vaughn vehicle cause it's like Vince Vaughn walking around Florida solving crimes but making jokes you know

13:51Bill Simmons:usually the people hit as a comedian they have like 7-8 years and then they decide, I could be a dramatic actor too. Vince Vaughn like inverted it.

14:02Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

14:02Bill Simmons:He had swingers and then he's like, take me seriously. And then people were like, you're Double Down Trent? What's going on here? And then he flipped it the other way. So I don't know. You look at his 03 through 2010, him and Farrell are like the, they're at the head of all that shit with Apatow. It's true. They're in the most movies. They're making cameos and other people's stuff. I don't think he wanted to accept that. I think when you look at Vaughn and Favreau from Swinger, and we talked about this when we did Rewatchables, thinking of the potential of those guys in that movie, and then thinking how their careers turned out, it's actually kind of incredible.

14:38Bill Simmons:Because even when they made Made in 2001, which I saw, it was disappointing.

14:44Sean Fennessey:Yep.

14:44Bill Simmons:I liked those guys. I felt like I had to see it. But it felt like it was kind of over.

14:48Sean Fennessey:Not aging well with the amount of ditty going on in that film.

14:51Bill Simmons:Well, true, true. but but when you look at it now like Favreau is one of the most successful directors we had last 20 years and Vaughn was one of the most successful comedy actors so it somehow worked out great for them it was such a weird thing with Swingers I wonder whether or not Vince Vaughn coming out of that movie was like the thing that people will love is me playing video games you know and being like like I'm gonna make your guy bleed or whatever who's the big winner Mikey wins he probably thought it would be some of the more dramatic beats or some of the more like classic movie star beats if that movie got seen at all.

15:26Sean Fennessey:But that's in the text of the movie. Like those guys are trying to be actors in Hollywood. They're trying to be Paul Newman. Like that's the whole point of the movie. People they dream to be. But the stuff that is the most fun is when they're just hanging out being friends and almost feels like they're improvising those scenes where they're at the diner or they're playing, you know, NHL. Like that stuff just felt like they're real personalities and that's what people wanted from them. But you're right though. Like if they had a hundred tries at their career, are they in the 99th percentile of how well it worked out?

15:54Bill Simmons:It's crazy. The, the other thing is he never figured out like there was like, you talked about aggro Chevy chase that actually would have worked really well for this movie. Like if he had been this like wheeler dealer, like charismatic guy and everybody in the town loved him, but like John Travolta and Danny, the little boy were like, they were the only ones that knew he was full of shit. Yeah. But we didn't even really see the charismatic side of him either in this only in like the baseball catch scene. And he gets that chamber of commerce thing. But for the most part, he's kind of playing it straight and sinister.

16:27Bill Simmons:And it's a lot of shots of him. You're brushing your teeth and it's like, oh, Vince is in the bear. They use his height. They use some things about him that really work. But yeah, the things that work the best in this movie are the two scenes with him and Buscemi. Yeah, that should have been its own movie. It's a suggestion of a whole other universe, of a whole other world. They seem so comfortable together. Buscemi grounds this movie and makes it feel like it's part of a larger world. And yeah, then the stuff with both Terry Polo and the kid is just kind of like this. This feels like I'm looking at a picture that takes place in a frame so that I buy the frame at a department store.

17:10Bill Simmons:Yeah, I wrote down this movie's trying to be evil stepfather movie. It's basically an ABC after school special of like the first dad trying to keep his relationship with his son. It's a murder mystery. It's a Boy That Cried Wolf movie. It's a Boy That Cried Wolf. It's a Boy That Cried Wolf. Nobody Believes Me movie. It's a childhood divorce movie. And it's a little bit of a police procedural with one of the worst investigations of all time. Yeah, we checked out the incinerator. Nothing there. Did you check his car? Yeah, couldn't find anything. Like, really? He was stabbed to death in the front seat.

17:43Sean Fennessey:Are there incinerators that incinerate bones? Do we know that that exists? yeah there's a couple still in LA yeah but it's like it's a brickworks do they have why would you need to like an industrial also it's always on the incinerator it's just cooking 24-7 yeah it's like a pizza oven it's just on I would love to get a picture of Rick's holdings because it's like oh I just bought a hotel and I have a brickworks

18:08Bill Simmons:like he's just like laundering all this money Chamber of Commerce is like say no more here's your award the unintentional comedy in this movie is out of control Terry Polo is the mom this is a staple in these movies the dumb wife or the dumb mom who just doesn't see all the signs and then there's like the oh moment which she has when she sees Vince Vaughn treating his burns yeah but we have that we have all the times they try to do sinister Vince from like the door closes and he's behind it or he's in the mirror and then for me Travolta in this movie it's a 10 out of 10 he's pouring his soul into this movie the first hour he is working so hard and he's really likable he loves movies this is about as likable as Travolta can be he really is he really is likable it's just like man this guy's just a great first dad he's just a great role model

19:06Sean Fennessey:yeah

19:06Bill Simmons:just wants to make some wooden boats doesn't even care if he makes money on them

19:10Sean Fennessey:I actually think he's just like doing the exact wrong thing for the movie The movie makes a lot more sense if he's like kind of a skeezy alcoholic. Yeah, and bitter. And like a little more mad. But he's having these conversations with his girlfriend. And he's just like, gee willikers, if only my boy could truly be happy. She's giving literally zero in those scenes. The girlfriend, yeah. It's like playing, he's like when Yee was working out against a chair. I'm no offense to the actress but it's just like it's John Travolta and like the NPC of actresses

19:48Bill Simmons:it's tough they definitely saved some money on that one yeah he's he's really going for it and he really just wants to have a good relationship with his son the one moment in this movie that crystallizes that is when he goes up to the house because it's his day and she's just like yeah sorry he's not here and he's like okay he walks away and I'm like what was the dramatic tension in this scene zero there's so many scenes like that where you're like why did they think this was the best version of the scene like they go boating Terry Polo asks him yeah hey can you take him maybe take him for the boating guys can I really want my son to like him he's like alright I'll do it and they go boating and the scene's like 40 seconds it's like they couldn't have had any sort of character development or some sort of them trying to feel each other out.

20:35Bill Simmons:Nothing. They just kind of bring the boat back in.

20:38Sean Fennessey:There's a very funny moment where Vaughn and Danny are, you know, at the wheel of the ship, the wheel of the boat, and he's trying to explain starboard to him and all the lingo, and Vaughn's like, yeah, let's just stick with left and right. He's such a dickhead. Like, his general tone is just like he's in Wedding Crashers in Domestic Disturbance. It's really funny.

20:59Bill Simmons:The baseball catch scene is probably my favorite scene in the movie. It's the most rewatchable scene, for sure. It's just a tort. But it needed like four more scenes like that. Yeah, I agree. It's basically, Danny doesn't get along with them. The only reason we really can think of is because they had that baseball catch. There was a whole collection of things, coming of age, things they could have done together. Like Rick shows Danny how to drive. Rick gives Danny his first beer.

21:22Sean Fennessey:Oh, yeah. Teaches him how to smoke. It would have been a lot better. I mean, the movie is really weird because the kid who plays Danny is kind of like likable and normal, but they're treating him like he's like the town hoodlum you know was he normal

21:35Bill Simmons:he seemed kind of borderline psychotic so that's definitely something that I think is cut out is like Danny's past lies yeah because the cop seems to fucking hate Danny yeah exactly and I'm like what did he do to you yeah he's like this fucking kid did it again I'm not wasting more time with him and I'm like did he like yeah did he call in like a fake bomb threat like what happened

21:54Sean Fennessey:he just seems like a mischievous teenager and not evil they're like oh my god he threw a baseball through a window like what kid didn't do that

22:01Bill Simmons:Well, he does have a stowaway fetish. That's true. Which comes up, which finally manifests itself midway through the movie. So Travolta, this is one of the things I love about this movie is it's the end of Vaughn kind of thinking he could be this as an actor. It's the end of Travolta. This is it. Yeah, it really is. Yeah. He's on a heater from Pulp Fiction 94 through 2000, where he makes basically three to four movies a year that are major movies. pulp get shorty broken arrow michael phenomenon she's so lovely face off mad city primary colors thin red line general's daughter and that's all in like five years and then battlefield earth happens in 2000 this is the sort of backwash of battlefield earth battlefield earth i think he made this in swordfish before back battlefield had come out is that true no i don't know of like technically but it's like it would make sense that swordfish and domestic disturbance were the last two.

22:56This guy seems normal. Let's put him in the movie.

22:58Bill Simmons:Lucky numbers after that too. Battlefield Earth is like

23:01Sean Fennessey:the tipping point. I would say it starts with General's Daughter, which is also not good. I would say General's Daughter

23:07Bill Simmons:is an awful, awful movie.

23:10Sean Fennessey:It's just like a

23:11Bill Simmons:10 minute rape scene. It's fucking awful.

23:14Sean Fennessey:It's a vile, nasty movie. I hate that movie. General's Daughter, Battlefield Earth. This movie, Swordfish and Basic is an all time bad run. And some of it is like he picked the wrong movies. Some of it is he's trying to like pivot his persona literally movie to movie where he's like in Battlefield Earth, I'll be more like, you know, the villainous figure.

23:34Bill Simmons:But that was a Scientology movie.

23:36Sean Fennessey:Totally. Totally. But he's in this movie, you can almost feel him reacting like Chris is saying. He's like, I'll be a warm dad. I'll be I'll be the hero in this movie. But him being a hero actually makes the story not very dramatically interesting. Like very early on in the movie, it's like, well, Vince Vaughn is clearly evil. As soon as Steve Buscemi shows up, you're like, okay, well, Vince Vaughn is a criminal and And we're just waiting now to find out what happens. The movie doesn't really push you along. The sense of like, well, is it actually Travolta? Who's like an alcoholic and his son?

24:03Sean Fennessey:Who's like kind of a degenerate teenager. And maybe this guy is a good guy. Why did they break up? What happened in their marriage? Because he turns down like champagne in that first. When he's giving the guy the boat in the beginning of the movie. He's like, no, no, no. I won't do champagne. I'm going to have a beer. And I was like, oh, it's because like maybe he's only on beer. He's not allowed to have anything else. But they never touch on it again. And he seems like a lovely guy. so it's unclear why Terry Polo would divorce this like totally nice boat maker

24:30Bill Simmons:and the girlfriend leaves him too she's like yeah I've had enough of this it's like wow what do you do he seems like a great guy he's just trying to make some wooden boats and he's pretty involved in his son yeah he cares about his son that's your issue fuckface he still has like in the 2000s he still does like one out of every five or six pops like it's be cool happens and then what's the other one he's good in taking Apellen 123 the remake I like that he became self-parody as chef in 2000 I think you hit that zone as an actor where the general public is going what's going on with this guy and he's taken a lot of paycheck movies well this is when Redbox movies also come in right like it's

25:12Sean Fennessey:yeah I mean his I wanted to ask you guys a question about him but he was just at Cannes when I was at Cannes because he had the craziest his directorial debut which is like a 62 minute movie about the first time he ever flew on a plane. Like it's just the weirdest movie ever. The Apple's putting out. It's on Apple, yeah. It's called One Way Propeller Night Coach. So wait, everybody is like, this is true cinema. Is that like a bit? It's a bit, yeah. But he was like, he wore a beret to every single screening of the film. He's got a weird mustache goatee situation. And everybody was like, why are you wearing this beret?

25:41Sean Fennessey:And he's like, well, I looked back at photos of old directors and they were all wearing berets. So I thought I too will wear a beret and become a director. Like he's an eccentric guy to say the least. Nice. Yeah, he's a weird guy. But has there ever been an actor who's made more incredible, culture-changing movies who's also made more bottom-of-the-barrel dog shit than John Travolta? Like, he has the widest chasm from Pulp Fiction, Saturday Night Fever, Grease, like, movies that change people's lives to whatever the last 15 years of his career has been where he's in, like, stuff like Gaudi, which gets roundly destroyed, or, you know, Dark Vengeance, like a movie you've never heard of and never seen that is a Redbox movie.

26:26Bill Simmons:Well, now he's in the movies like my dad would mistakenly order on Amazon because it's like Travolta and Bruce Willis are in it and it's like from the last five years. And they're both in 42 seconds of the movie. Yeah. I think part of the problem with him, when your aspiration becomes to have your own private plane that you can fly around, you just start taking paycheck movies. And I think this happens to him because there's in the research of it, it's like Travolta flew his plane and he landed in Wilmington, North Carolina and everybody loved him and he still parks his plane there sometimes. I think for him, he's like, I'll do five a year.

27:02Bill Simmons:How much can I make enough to buy this Cessna? Gas is expensive now, you know?

27:07Sean Fennessey:It is, it is. It's a really weird career though.

27:09Bill Simmons:It's the weirdest. Because I go all the way back to him when he was Welcome Back Cotter, when he was Barbarino and then all of a sudden he was Saturday Night Fever and he was the single biggest movie star we had. But then this comeback was like, people loved Travolta in the 90s. Like I went to, all those movies I listed, I probably saw every one of them in the theater. Yeah. Including General's Daughter, which I regret.

27:31Sean Fennessey:I feel like movies that were big hits at that time, they don't hold, like Phenomenon and Michael, those movies don't really hold up as well. Like they were really cool pitches where it was like, what if he has like a Sixth Sense style power? What if he's an angel? Like they seemed interesting, but those movies don't really have like a cultural shelf life. But Pulp and Get Shorty for sure do. And the 70s movies still hold up. But it's a really... Face Off. Face Off is so done. Face Off, yeah. I enjoy Broken Arrow. I like Broken Arrow.

27:59Bill Simmons:You should watch Phenomenon with Liz. Okay.

28:04Sean Fennessey:Watch it with your twin Craig.

28:06Bill Simmons:Watch it with Liz. It's an emotional one. Okay. It's got... I remember there was one sequence where... In Phenomenon? with Keira Sedgwick because he's dying and he's like, will you love me for the rest of my life? And she goes, I'm going to love you for the rest of mine. Is that your attempt at doing Keira Sedgwick's mouth? Yeah. I'm going to love you for the rest of mine. It's one of those movies. My wife loves that movie. Not a great one. It's a good one. Not a great one. Nora Ephron. Which one is he in Angel in? That's Michael. Michael. And then in Powder. Michael's bad. Is he in Powder? No, he's not in Powder.

28:42He's not in Powder. This would be a great quiz show

28:44Bill Simmons:where just it's like you try to guess the Travolta movie and what party place. Terry Polo, brief run here for her coming off Meet the Parents. Big role for her. Probably excited when she got it. You're going to make a movie with John Travolta and Vince Vaughn. Yeah, they're going to be fighting over you.

28:59Sean Fennessey:Yeah. Yeah. She's just like a slice of American cheese. You're just like, that was fine. She's not done any favors by this script. I don't know what she could have done with it, but yeah. It's kind of hard to judge in general any performance or character because you're like, well, what's not in the movie? Like, what are we missing here?

29:18Bill Simmons:Matt O 'Leary was the kid. He's actually good. Screenplay by Harold Colvin. He's probably still mad about all the stuff they cut. And then Harold Becker directed this movie. Wait, isn't the screenplay by Louis Colick? Oh, I wrote Harold Colvin down. Listen, might be Louis Colick. I think it's Louis Colick. He wrote a couple of movies like this. So he, one of the weird director careers we've had. First big movie he directs. He's 57 years old. The Onion Field. He does Taps and Vision Quest. Big Town. The Boost. You like The Boost. Sean loves The Boost. You like The Boost. The Boost. I just saw it for the first time this year.

29:58Sean Fennessey:It's amazing.

29:59Bill Simmons:Sea of Love, which we've done on the rewatchables. Malice, which we will do on the rewatchables. Vision Quest, we've done. Sea of Love, we've done. Malice will happen.

30:08Sean Fennessey:I just want to say one of my takes is that Harold Becker now has the same number of movies on the rewatchables as Stanley Kubrick. That's one of your takes. It's just a statement of fact. I don't know what category I put that in, but I put it in one of the categories. City Hall? Yeah, I love City Hall.

30:24Bill Simmons:You're a big City Hall fan. You're the only one I know who likes City Hall.

30:27Sean Fennessey:Oh, I love it.

30:28Bill Simmons:I don't remember Mercury Rising. Our family's mingling.

30:33Sean Fennessey:This isn't what he says, but I always hear him say, I'm governing again.

30:38Bill Simmons:Mercury Rising 98. What was that movie?

30:42Sean Fennessey:Yeah, that's a thriller with Bruce Willis. That's the movie right before this.

30:45Bill Simmons:It might have been the only movie I didn't see in 1998. And then Domestic Disturbance 01. Never does another movie. Well, he was 57 when he started. Calls it a career after that. $75 million budget. Made$54 million. Yeah. How did this movie cost$75 million? Honestly. They built all those boats. What did they spend this money on? Honestly, Travolta probably got like$15 to$20 million for this. Probably. He's a huge star in 2000.

31:13Sean Fennessey:Yeah. That said, if this movie cost$75 million today, it would be outrageous. In 2001.

31:19Bill Simmons:I think part of the reason is there was an incident that we'll mention. Let's mention it now. This movie became famous because this is the Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot. A huge fight in April 2001 in Wilmington, North Carolina. a bar fight with Vince Vaughn, Steve Buscemi, and the screenwriter Scott Rosenberg, who was there. Do we assume that Scott Rosenberg was there because he was on set rewriting? Rewriting, yeah.

31:50Sean Fennessey:He's rewritten a lot of movies over the years.

31:52Bill Simmons:They get bombed at this bar, according to the accounts, get into it with the locals. Somehow they end up going outside for some sort of fight. Well, there was a report that some guy's girlfriend starts talking to Vaughn. Believable. Yeah. I buy that. There's some sort of fight. a local man gets in a fight with Buscemi and slashes him with a knife slashes his face and and stabbed as well right stabbed him mmhmm whole thing and if you watch the movie they have to hide Buscemi's face in a couple scenes yeah when he goes to see him in the hotel room the whole side of the hotel room is dark for some reason it's a completely different like lighting scheme than the rest of the movie mmhmm it's actually pretty cool and if this movie became famous for that for this huge, huge fight.

32:39Bill Simmons:There was a trial, all kinds of shit.

32:40Sean Fennessey:Yeah, it's the most well-known thing about the movie. It's a weird one. I was wondering how you guys felt about this. If you're a big movie star, are you going to the local dive bar? I don't think anymore. I think this kind of ended that kind of stuff.

32:54Bill Simmons:You're that in the cell phone era. Yeah. Yeah. This is like the tail end of that era.

32:57Sean Fennessey:That's what I was thinking for sort of like what's aged the worst or best. Like just participating in the social culture of a town while making a movie. I think you still hear stories about like, I know of like a TV show where it's like the guy from the TV show like just did very well for himself at bars around the city that they shot in. You know, like that kind of thing still can happen. Jon Hamm? No.

33:22But yeah, when it's like a big movie star now, I don't think like Vince Vaughn and Steve Buscemi, whatever that is now would be like Austin Butler and Timothee Chalamet could not go to a bar in New Orleans.

33:35Sean Fennessey:That's exactly what I'm thinking. Without a bunch of security. And I guess the Shia LaBeouf's do do that, and then you see what happens.

33:44Bill Simmons:Counter. How much fun would it be to go out with Vince Vaughn and Steve Buscemi in 2001? Yeah. I'm going. Yeah. Steve Buscemi's like, Hey, can you do it, Buscemi? I wasn't planning on it. Hey, Vince, why don't we get after it tonight? I can't do it. yeah but they they go out and they get after it and the whole thing I remember I was in Boston the whole thing is

34:05Sean Fennessey:they get stabbed well sadly

34:07Bill Simmons:the night kept going I remember when they were filming the town in 09 Ham was in Boston and I was there for my book tour and I was out with my buddy J-Bug and Ham came out and met us with Rebecca Hall the lady from the movie oh yeah and we had drinks and the J-Bug was you know we were in a discreet part in Boston and the J-Bug was just like this is the madman this is fucking crazy it's the guy from madman who's come out of my tv so i can imagine like in wilmington north carolina with all these people that the celebrities aren't there that much and they just see the guy from swingers can i just say on somebody's girlfriend real quick about this story because if you read about it it does sound like this guy's girlfriend started hitting on vince vaughn the guy lost his mind about it but it sounds like Buscemi got Vince Vaughn's back and Vince Vaughn got Buscemi's back.

34:59It does sound like two guys who are like, I'm not fucking backing down. You know what I mean? Sure.

35:03Bill Simmons:I love it. Was this like Heifetz's wedding was like this? Bar fight downtown DC. Were the locals coming at you guys at all or no? Is that Danny Kelly? Hey, motherfucker. I heard what you said about the Chargers. Was there a lot of NFL media at Heifetz's wedding? No. So Daniel Jeremiah wasn't getting in the mix.

35:23Sean Fennessey:you got in a knife fight with Daniel Jeremiah let's move the sticks that would be amazing he's incredible with a blade Heifetz would back you up in a bar fight I would want him on my side Heifetz would yeah for sure I played basketball with him he's violent I can also see Heifetz getting us into a bar fight that too which is the problem

35:37Bill Simmons:well we're gonna have a ringer awards at the end of this year and one of the awards is ringer character of the year and Heifetz and Raheem Palmer are now in the finals for working out after the Knicks game in Sweden at 5 in the morning going immediately to a gym and getting a lift in. Will Max and Rich be doing this award? Will they be giving it a win? Yeah, Max and Rich are going to host the award show. And Van's going to be upset that he wasn't nominated for more awards. He's like, what else do I need to do? Roger Ebert for this movie, one and a half stars. So we've got it. Last week... Wait, he liked it more than Good Son.

36:13Bill Simmons:Last week, Good Son was a half star when we recorded that. You haven't heard that yet. This was one and a half. He wrote, the movie is a paid holiday for its director, Harold Becker. I say this because I know what Becker is capable of. He's so disappointed. Tough one. And then he said, the final confrontation, so badly choreographed that I was not the least bit surprised when the studio called to say the Chicago critics had, quote, seen the wrong last reel. Would we like to see the correct reel on Monday? I agreed eagerly expecting revised footage, but no, the only problem was the earlier reel was lacking the final music mix.

36:51Bill Simmons:So he must have been fucking furious. He had to go see this movie fucking like one and a half times. Twice in a week? Imagine watching this twice in 72 hours. I would have been fucking pissed. From hell. All right, we're going to take a break and then do a most rewatchable or unwatchable scene. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? ZepBound Terzepatide may be able to help. ZepBound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with obesity. or some adults with overweight who also have weight-related medical problems to lose excess body weight and keep the weight off.

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39:12Have you guys ever believed someone less than when Vince Vaughn says, I'm not trying to be his dad, but I would like to be his friend.

39:23I can't hear him say a single thing and take him seriously. Yeah.

39:30Sean Fennessey:I can only hear the rival newscaster from Anchorman that he plays. Vince Mantooth? Dorothy Mantooth is a saint. He's just doing that performance in this movie.

39:43Bill Simmons:As a childhood divorce, I do love the first dad, second dad dynamic, right?

39:48Sean Fennessey:Can we talk about this choice in this scene? Yeah. Because obviously Travolta's character is not thrilled about the idea of taking his son's stepfather on a three-man boat tour. Yeah. Is there any situation in which you and either your mom or your dad and your step-parent would have an experience like that? Because that would be very unlikely for me as a child of divorce.

40:09Bill Simmons:See, as I've... We've talked about divorce in the past. My situation was a little unusual because my parents would get together for my... But they were pretty friendly. Okay. With that said, my dad and my stepdad and myself never would have gone out and done anything. You guys would never do a Sox game. Yeah, there's some sort of a line that I think... There's a missing element to this scene where it's like Travolta should have, like, been taking some rough waves and bouncing him around a little bit and just being like, what? I don't know. I mean, it's just... It's choppy out here today. Right, right, right.

40:39Bill Simmons:Or the other thing, because with this, I mean, this movie misses so many things that would have been good. We almost needed a creative committee. But, like, ultimately, like, you're the first dad and this new guy comes in. He's a swinging dick. He's taller than you. Like, he's younger than you. He's more successful than you. Like, there's places that could go where Travolta, even on the boat, like, they should have made Vince Vaughn, like, oh, this guy's actually amazing on boats. And Travolta's doing something wrong. and said, let me step in here, Travolta. And he's just better at him. He didn't do the not right.

41:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:14Bill Simmons:And it's just they didn't hit that for some reason.

41:16Sean Fennessey:I think part of the issue is that Rick Jack, you know, just the Vaughn character. Rick Jack. I just don't get anything about him. Like, I don't understand who he really is in any way. What were his investments? The movie doesn't explain, like, the crimes that he did, where he comes from. Is he like a scumbag? Is he a guy who got caught up in a problematic situation and then it drove him crazy and it made him violent? It was racketeering, Sean. It was a racketeering charge. But he skated and took all the money. These guys did time. And then Ray gets out.

41:52Bill Simmons:These guys did time but somehow didn't blow the whistle on him. And he was able to escape because this is early internet. Right. You could just change your name. Right.

42:00Sean Fennessey:Yeah. And just like, is he malevolent? Or is he like forced to become more and more evil? like it's a little it's just all of that or maybe not evil at all

42:09Bill Simmons:he just needed to get rid of Buscemi because they they make this like he's a murderer it's like well we only saw him murder one person

42:16Sean Fennessey:yeah but then he's got his forearm braced against a 14 year old in a bedroom and you're like alright well maybe this guy's kind of a psycho bad dream yeah that's the thing

42:24Bill Simmons:they needed like two more murders with him

42:25Sean Fennessey:yeah like he needed to also

42:27Bill Simmons:kill the prostitute and you know we needed to ramp it up and the motel manager the motel manager should have died shoot him in the head the wedding the moment Buscemi shows up, this movie takes off. So good. I'm giving him the Todd Parker Award for Best Character Entrance.

42:42Sean Fennessey:Oh.

42:43Bill Simmons:Another hysterical Vaughn moment where he's like, thanks for dressing up.

42:49Sean Fennessey:That felt so improv too. And Chivolta is like,

42:53Bill Simmons:Chivolta, who's both the dumbest guy in the world, but is also like incredibly astute, like immediately sniffs out like, huh, this guy, what's going on here? Goes to talk to him. I could have spent more time at the wedding. Honestly, I would have loved to have seen the best man speech. Who was the best man? Another missed opportunity. He should ask Danny to be the best man. And Danny could have given like a super awkward best man speech. Like, I just, this stuff isn't hard. Scott Rosenberg, what are you doing on set? Getting in bar fights. That's true. Apparently. He was traumatized. The baseball catch scene.

43:25Bill Simmons:Did Vince win the Mitch Kramer award for worst athletic? He does, right? Boy, that's disappointing. That's really disappointing. Why is he throwing it like this? Because he's not bad in Wedding Crashers playing football.

43:35Sean Fennessey:No, he's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, he's a big guy. He looks like an athlete.

43:40Bill Simmons:I think maybe he was... He played Jamie O 'Hare in Rooting. He was taking like a bunch of miles per hour off because he didn't want to hurt the kid.

43:45Sean Fennessey:The release point is real weird. I wonder... It's like out wide. It's really odd. I don't know. A six foot five guy having catch with a 12 year old. You have to like adjust your front. Wow, look at you. You got his back.

43:56Bill Simmons:You got Wes Mantooth's back. No, there's two options. One, he... Rick Parnell is a saint. Jack Barnell Is it Jack Barnell? Rick Barnes Rick Barnes Do you think they were just like I love UT Rick Barnes He doesn't get far in the tournament But man he always qualifies Well There's two choices here Because I find it hard to believe Vince Vaughn can't throw a baseball One is that he threw his arm out In the baseball catch scene Oh And like had a sore arm And you have a sore arm You gotta start throwing sideways Okay The other is Bar Fight. Maybe he had a fucked up shoulder for Bar Fight. Maybe. Could be.

44:35Bill Simmons:I'd love to ask him. It would be the first question if Vince Vaughn ever came on the pod. It'd be like, hey, thanks for coming up, Vince. The best of the servants, what happened with the throwing? Something's up. Because he definitely has a better throwing motion than that. When they start doing the side, that either means they have a torn rotator cuff or they don't know how to throw a baseball.

44:53Sean Fennessey:I'll tell you what, though. His performance in the scene is riveting. It's like the best scene in the movie.

44:56Bill Simmons:I could have watched five more minutes of it. And then Danny just whips the ball through the window. It's like, is Danny a psycho? What's that? No, I mean, Vince Vaughn was just basically like, clean this shit up. I'm not playing anymore. Like, he throws his glove at him. Yeah.

45:12Sean Fennessey:Both gloves, by the way. This movie's awesome. How do you guys not love this movie? This scene is great. Both gloves look like they were purchased that day. Like, there is just no wear on either of those bits.

45:20Bill Simmons:Oh, yeah, the glove's not broken in yet? Dad's such a good athlete. Why didn't he teach you how to throw a ball, Danny? Who's your dad? I'm going over here. I'm going over there.

45:33Bill Simmons:It's because he's just doing Vince Vaughn. It's the only time in the movie where he's really cooking like that. I wish he had done five more scenes like that. They're making him dinner. He's like, I don't know. I thought a cheeseburger was supposed to be red. Maybe I'm wrong.

45:50Bill Simmons:Travolta runs into Buscemi at the coffee shop. Unbelievable. into Vaughn going to see Buscemi and I forget who he says this to but I wrote it down when Buscemi says you know what I'm noticing? Haven't seen any adult bookstores around here. He says it to Travolta. What is that? He's basically doing his Fargo character. Yes he is. No kidding. I kid you not. I kid you not. He definitely probably got overpaid to be in this movie. Sure. He's like he's still hot off Fargo. I think he fucking paid for it though. I mean like I'm sure he would have given in this one back.

46:25Sean Fennessey:But he honestly brings the absolute best to Buscemi. Well, that leads into my next favorite scene, which is Rey watching hoops with a hooker. And he's just like, when he finds out he's going to get paid, he just slaps her ass. And then he fucking turns on the DePaul game and he's like, what did I miss? Which, like, it was off. How would she know? What are you expecting? He's expecting her to catch him up on what happened in the game. She's like, Stephen Hunter just added three. It was crazy.

46:58Bill Simmons:Oh, man. This section of the movie, it's elite. Danny sneaks into the car. Buscemi gets stabbed. Is it a screwdriver? Ice pick. Ice pick? Yeah. Wow. The rare non-blood stabbing. Yeah. The leather jacket must have absorbed a lot of the blood. And then all of a sudden, we have an incinerator because the Southport Brickworks has just an awesome incinerator that's going at all times. The industrial kiln. It's huge. Just going. The death is staged well where Buscemi sees the kid and gets stabbed and the way it's shot, it's not bad.

47:31Sean Fennessey:I agree. There are moments in the movie where you can feel like a lot of real craftspeople, very similar to the conversation about The Good Son where you're like, a lot of overqualified, like 55-year-old yeoman Hollywood people making this movie. Yeah, sure. But the editing is where you can feel like getting diced up. But that sequence is cool. Basically, the movie is kind of working, I would say, all the way up to the murder. Yeah. And then, as soon as the investigation starts, you start to be like, what the fuck?

47:56Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's where you really feel the ass. It's when the cops come in, basically. You're just like, oh, this is stupid now. So, there's a DVD with deleted scenes. And I didn't realize that until yesterday. I was going to, like, speed order it when I got here until Wednesday. So then my wife was at the Grove yesterday, and I'm like, true story. I was like, hey, can you go to the Barnes and Noble and go to the DVD section and get me Domestic Disturbance? So I was like, it's Domestic Disturbance 2001 with John Travolta. and she texted me and she said they don't have it well

48:29Sean Fennessey:I'm happy to share with you after the fact that I own it on Blu-ray did you watch any deleted scenes I watched the commentary with Harold Becker

48:36Bill Simmons:which was apparently terrible

48:38Sean Fennessey:is a disaster he's frequently like wait did you do this did you watch the Knicks then domestic disturbance no I watched the Knicks excuse me I watched domestic disturbance in the afternoon watched the Knicks game then went downstairs put on the domestic disturbance commentary and started doing notes for the pod and i'm i'm like listening to it while i'm taking notes and this is harold becker's performance he's like oh yeah here we see uh these beautiful boats down in wilmington really proud of this i'm really i really like these uh these these credits that we made for this film you know great credit maker uh his name's uh michael hogarth he's a wonderful guy and uh oh yeah here we see john travolta really interesting scene here like Like what?

49:22Sean Fennessey:Like just completely has no idea that his movie is a fiasco. Like has no idea that there's been like a bar fight. Like there's no acknowledgement of any of that stuff. It's one of those commentaries too where like long stretches of the commentary are just scenes from the movie with no one talking over it. So it's like he recorded like 48 minutes of content on a 79-minute movie. Very bad.

49:42Bill Simmons:I went and found the DVD where they have those like big reviews where they even review like the deleted scenes and stuff. Because I really wanted to find out what was in the deleted scenes. like this was an hour and a half of my day yesterday. It's like, I got to find out what they cut out. I couldn't find it out. But somebody reviewed this and they said the same thing about Becker. It was like, the commentary is bad. There's long stretches where Harold doesn't say anything.

50:06Sean Fennessey:Yes.

50:07Bill Simmons:And then the deleted scenes, I guess, were probably deleted for a reason for the most part. But we'll just never know.

50:13Sean Fennessey:I mean, like you listed his movies, like he's made some really good movies. His movies, you know, Onion Field is a legitimately great movie.

50:20Bill Simmons:Yeah.

50:20Sean Fennessey:I really like the Black Marble one of his first movies he's made some really cool stuff over the years Vision Quest one of the top 12 sports movies of all time I mean Taps Taps is like Taps is great

50:30Bill Simmons:were you producing when we did Vision Quest? of course the movie is fantastic yeah

50:35Sean Fennessey:the lap pull down scene one of the go for solo performances yeah yeah

50:38Bill Simmons:he was great on that one

50:40Sean Fennessey:so yeah it's kind of disappointing he's like losing the fastball in real time too bad well

50:45Bill Simmons:evil Vince going into Danny's room the old locked one door didn't lock the other door check locked one of my two bedroom doors what a moron this kid was

50:56Sean Fennessey:it is the first from hell scene though in the movie where you're like oh it's not just that he had to murder his co-conspirator in a racketeering scam he's actually now menacing this young boy

51:07Bill Simmons:one of my favorite scenes of the movie and also probably the funniest scene in the movie Frank punches a guy outside of the school it's just the best gets in the car that guy has not been in the film before is no longer and the way that like he knocks him down and he fucking square punches him in the face outside of his school and the way the scene ends is Terry Pollack going sorry Mike no then it goes to him in the car and they're driving away and the son goes dad that was cool and Travolta goes Danny don't you realize what I've just done it's called kidnapping yeah and it's like how did they how did this stay in the movie and this the cops care about they're like oh we got a punch thrown outside of the school shut down the road you know what I've just done it's called Kidnapping what an amazing movie this is the boathouse fire the mom realizing Rick is a bad guy and then I like the wallet scene when Rick realizes that Danny took his wallet and he's just like you're a little fucking liar aren't you Danny

52:07Sean Fennessey:well we skipped over Danny's betrayal of his father on the witness stand which is an absolute nightmare one of the most nightmare sequences in movie history how fucking dare he

52:16Bill Simmons:Yeah, I don't know. If Ben did that, I don't know if I'm bouncing back. I'm like, Dad, can I have$20? He's scared. Ben's stepdad was like, I'm going to kill your dad if you keep this up. He just saw murder. He's like, I'm going to kill your dad next.

52:30Sean Fennessey:I don't know, man. It couldn't be me. Yeah, I would never turn on my dad. It wouldn't be me.

52:36Bill Simmons:Eber wrote about the final confrontation, the speech that Vince does. This speech provides additional information that is desperately unwanted. it in a way that inspires only bad laughs from the audience. Just when you want to end the movie without any more stumbles. It's really bad. It's all confined in a garage for some reason. Yeah.

52:57Sean Fennessey:Where does it... It feels like an 80s canon movie where it's just so awful, the action staging. Well, there's actually... It's kind of funny because there's no storytelling that suggests there would be a better ending. We don't know anything about this guy, so it's not like, oh, and of course he died doing this, which was always is his fatal flaw. It's like, oh, he hit a fucking electrical box with a wrench. A crowbar, yeah. A crowbar. Yeah, would you even die from that? I don't even know. Let's find out. I mean, the crowbar is literally resting on top of the fuse box. It's not even though it is like pierced into the wiring or anything.

53:32Sean Fennessey:It's ridiculous.

53:32Bill Simmons:This is one of the many reasons I love this movie, though. They spend$75 million on it and the last 20 minutes just becomes a lifetime TV movie being filmed in Winnipeg. Yeah. Where they're just like, we figured it out. we can film every scene in one day and get everybody out of here but this movie

53:49Sean Fennessey:it does have the Netflix like modern true crime thing that you love though where it's like my stepfather is beloved by the chamber of commerce but not by me right coming up next what do you have for most rewatchable catch plain catch catch is pretty is probably my pick I do like the kill scene like Craig say I like the kill scene as well I feel like the kill scene is really good

54:09Bill Simmons:I like the incinerator I like Danny trying to figure out how to get out of the car somehow the car light not going on in the car when you open the door. First car in the last 30 years that usually the car light goes on. Most 2001 thing about this movie, I had either MSN news searches or just easily being able to change your identity with no repercussions. I don't think you can do that now. Slow loading websites on probably dial-up internet or hardwired internet and also just like casual Shaquille O 'Neal references. Oh, good one. Yeah, who would that be? Who am I? Victor Mnuyama?

54:45Sean Fennessey:That's what he said. Too soon, Bill. Oh, sorry, Sean. I also had just Steve Buscemi as a dirtbag criminal stealing the movie. That's just in that zone. That was what he did.

54:56Bill Simmons:Probably not even in his top 10 of dirtbag criminals stealing the movie. Floyd Gondali, butter on my ass, lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. I have a good one for this. I just have Vince Vaughn bullying children, but I also agree with Sean that Steve Buscemi playing a dirtbag is just, I'll watch. Always works.

55:14Sean Fennessey:I love when John Travolta tries to get mean in movies where he's like if you touch a hair on my son's head he's trying to do like Mel Gibson in Ransom but he just does not have that gear at all

55:27Bill Simmons:I have this is really special to me when a hooker complains to our hero that the bad guy liked watching TV more than he liked getting laid

55:39Bill Simmons:it's like it's character development crossed with some sort of weird complaint that this guy is such a psycho. It's kind of like the reverse of in Bull Durham when Duke is like, we didn't fuck, man. We should just read poetry all night.

55:52Sean Fennessey:But it feels like a direct sequel to the scene in Fargo when they take the two prostitutes back to the motel room and then they have that cut to them watching Jay Leno or whatever later that night.

56:02Bill Simmons:48 Hours has that with Gantz. Yeah. The lady says that, he likes shooting cops a whole lot more than he likes getting laid. Yeah. Here's my defense of these guys. in these movies. I would argue they do like getting laid because they're paying for a prostitute. Obviously, they like it a little bit. The girlfriend experience is take part in my rituals, you know? Like, share my passions, my hobbies. Yeah. I love hoops. Tell us what you do. Like, sorry, prostitutes. These guys have simple... They're simple dudes. He likes college basketball, getting laid, and racketeering. Those are his three things.

56:33Bill Simmons:Can we talk about Ray's plan, though? Yeah, what was Ray's plan? To get paid off to go away.

56:38Sean Fennessey:So, Ray's like, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to show up in town, and I'm going to get a motel room and I'm going to wait around as long as possible and make him uncomfortable without actually doing anything. But I've been told by Rick Jack that I am not allowed to go out in public in the town and get some eggs. Like that is forbidden. Well, the problem is, you know, we got Frank snooping around. So he's like, you cannot be in town. People are going to start asking questions and you're too candid. You know, like you're too unrefined for this place. But Ray actually thinks that he's just going to get paid off by Rick Jack and it's just going to work.

57:15He spent a lot of time inside, you know? Maybe he doesn't.

57:18Bill Simmons:His reflexes are dulled. Do you have a Floyd Gondali from this movie or no? Oh, um. Gondali? Probably just. Gondali? It's probably Dirtbag Buscemi. I did feel like I got a little sequel to Fargo for 10 minutes that was really enjoyable. It's nice. Needed Stormare. Stormare. Peter Stormare. What's age the best? Thank you. Uh, the comedy of sinner, sinister Vince Vaughn, Travolta. And then just what a absolute shitty son. Danny is. Danny sucks. Terrible. I mean, admittedly bad age for little boys, 12, 13. Good actor. Good actor. Matt O 'Leary. Really good. Um, but just kind of sucks and turns on his dad at one point.

58:03Bill Simmons:And, um, I don't know. I felt like he could have defended his mom better at the end. It seemed like a pretty good sailor. Yeah. Solid sailor. just dumped his basketball team at the start of the movie. He's like, where's Danny? I don't know. He was doing his stowaway fetish again. Huge sports movie. He likes climbing the cars. Incredible sports movie. Travolta punching a meddling parrot is the best. Baseball catch. I wrote down last stand for hairlines for Travolta and Vince. Sure. Travolta's got... It's all the way back in the sides. It's the remnants of the... front with a little bit mullet in the back it's the remnants of the vincent vega right yeah he's about to go to into toupee land and then vince it's really going back but vince has a full head of hair like do you think they should have made more of travolta and buscemi in a diner as a echo of pulp fiction when buscemi's travolta's waiter no question yeah i would have just told them to add the harold becker was like ask for a vanilla age 82 at that point what do you have for what

59:05Sean Fennessey:age the best anything this ending Vince Vaughn's career is a dramatic start you think that's age the best yeah I think

59:11Bill Simmons:that's a good answer

59:12Sean Fennessey:because it kicks off a great run

59:13Bill Simmons:right anything I had Buscemi playing needle dick low level hood who likes prostitutes and a pretty straightforward old school likable Travolta performance which you don't get a lot after this I had a scumbag characters named Ray yeah it's great great name for is Ray the best scumbag name Is there a better one? I mean, Ray, definitely his nickname is Slick. You know? Like, it is. There's no hero of a movie named Ray that I can think of. It's usually like, oh. What was that show we liked with Kyle Chandler? Bloodline? Uh-huh. Was that what it's called? No, Bloodline. Bloodline, yeah. Was the scumbag brother, was his name Ray?

59:57Bill Simmons:I think so. Could have been. Yes. Yeah. Anytime it's like my brother Ray's back in town, it's like, oh boy, buckle up. The two good Rays, Ray Charles. Ray Allen. And Ray from Field of Dreams. Ray Kinsella. Yeah. Ray Romano. But I mean like a character name. He's Ray Barone.

1:00:14Sean Fennessey:That's Raymond. In that show. Oh, right. But he goes by Ray. He does.

1:00:18Bill Simmons:I thought everybody loved Raymond.

1:00:21Sean Fennessey:Funny people? Anybody? Underrated dirtbag name in movies is Dennis. There's always like a... Dennis. Kind of a wily... Yeah. You don't come across a lot of Dennis's these days.

1:00:33Bill Simmons:No. What are the dirtbag names? I think Ray, I know right away. Frank could go either way, though. Like, Frank's the good guy in this movie. Yeah, but barely. Ray, I'm pretty sure you're a fuck-up.

1:00:45Sean Fennessey:Well, there's always, like, the last name versions of it, too. Like, Hutch or Slater. Where you're like, oh, this guy. He's on the wrong side of the law. Great Jack Gorder award? It's got to be Buscemi getting stabbed, right? I had rich shadow emerging on Danny's wall after he closes the door. Oh. But this is not exactly North by Northwest. I had kind of an inverted great shot, Gordo, because it's the worst shot in the movie, but it's like there's a hold on the crowbar resting on top of the fuse box. And Vince Vaughn's like fake electrocuting himself. Worst shot, Gordo. He fucking no-sells that electrocution.

1:01:18He's just like...

1:01:20Bill Simmons:No. At that point, he just wants to get out of North Carolina before the natives come after him again. He's like, let me get out of here. Chess Rockwell, Brock Lander's award, best character name, Rick Barnes. Absolutely. Has to be, right? Yeah. I think he's probably coaching Providence around that. I don't know if he's at Texas yet. I don't know. 05? Or no, 01? 01. He's at Texas. Yeah, when did KD go to Texas? He's in Texas in the 90s, right? Is he? He goes to Texas, UT, and now he's where? He's at Tennessee now. Tennessee. He was Providence initially. Rick Barnes was at Providence? Yeah, wasn't he?

1:01:51Was he Dodge Jam God's coach? That was his first... I thought Patino was at Providence. See, now we're going to have to look this up. Texas, 98 to 2015, and then Tennessee since. And he was at Providence 88 to 94. Yeah. There you go. Okay. When was Patino at Providence? Earlier. Okay.

1:02:10Bill Simmons:A category we brought back that I don't know why it ever went away, but could this movie have had a better title? Domestic Disturbance is an awful title. There's not a domestic disturbance in this movie. Very bad. Yeah. Really awful. Not My Father. Well, the stepfather's taken.

1:02:29Sean Fennessey:Step murderer. that's funny

1:02:32Bill Simmons:what about Southport

1:02:34Sean Fennessey:so I wrote the Southport lie yeah Southport lie yeah I love when you put the town in the title and then you like but whose lie is it was it Danny's lie was it Rick Jack's lie

1:02:44Bill Simmons:Southport lie what about the boatyard that's good too I like that what about for Netflix it would be this is my family colon the Rick Jack story Vince Vaughn with like a scary look on his face I just wrote

1:02:58Sean Fennessey:the boy who cried wolf I feel like that would have worked Oh.

1:03:01Bill Simmons:Which one do you like out of those?

1:03:03Sean Fennessey:What about joint custody? Oh, that's great. Not bad. That's great. Greg. I love that. But that immediately calls to mind, like, divorced parents who still share custody of a marijuana farm. Oh, sure. You know? Yeah. And it's like… That's like a Pineapple Express. Yeah. Joint custody is great.

1:03:21Bill Simmons:Yeah. That's very good. Did you see Travolta and Vaughn in joint custody yet? Sierra, you have a flex. I feel bad because this is so easy, but the Sarah Connor Award for would modern technology ruin this movie? And you were asking why From Hell Goes Away and I do think it's because of surveillance technology and smartphones and high-speed internet and search engines. Yeah, there's cameras at the Southport Brickyard. Yeah. And also just like, they would look up Rick Frank, what's his name? Rick Jack. Rick Jack's, they would be like, does he have any social media? And it would have started three months ago.

1:03:54Sean Fennessey:Yeah. I'm finding him on Blue Sky. Yeah. this guy was really fired up for uh to caucus he really likes mere z

1:04:04butch's girlfriend award week link of the film it's really the the last 15 minutes but especially

1:04:11Bill Simmons:the garage fight ending i just such a strange choice do you have outdoors you've all these things you could have done gone downtown like i don't know why you want to be confined to a weird garage. Well, they blow the load with a boatyard fire. They do a boat fire

1:04:26Sean Fennessey:earlier and then they're stuck doing this very small set piece at the end.

1:04:29Bill Simmons:And then the electrocution is just really singularly terrible. It's bad. No disrespect, I had Frank's new girlfriend. Diane? Yeah. I just think that that could have been like 3 % more interesting and it would have helped the movie a lot.

1:04:44Sean Fennessey:Michelle Pfeiffer? Who do you think? Emily Watson. Young Kate Winslet?

1:04:51Bill Simmons:Tiffany Amber Thiessen? Yeah.

1:04:52Sean Fennessey:Wow.

1:04:53Bill Simmons:Either one. That would have been a little worse than the Frank's relationship. What's age the worst? I gotta say this up top. Susan's miscarriage and the way it's treated where they're like, hey, sorry you miscarried. And then the movie ends. I guess it eliminates a very complicated after effect of the father of this baby is dead. but it is just like hey sorry about that once you head over to the hospital get that checked out that could have been a way to do the sequel

1:05:27Sean Fennessey:make it a Damien Omen movie go to the hospital they gotta clean that up step murderer 2 son of Rick Jack I had

1:05:39step murderer

1:05:40Bill Simmons:I had that multiple nitpicks about that including how would they know she lost the baby within two minutes of the garage fight like pretty sure they have to run tests on that. Everything about the last five minutes. There's no sonogram at all. When the fucking detective comes up to apologize to Frank, he's like, hey, say it to my son. The detective would probably be like, I'm sorry. How about I fucking say it to you, huh? Detective's like, I'm sorry. Frank doesn't go. I've lost my entire business. Yeah. My wife's husband's dead and everything's burned down. I had, this desperately needed to be a rated R movie.

1:06:18Bill Simmons:I needed more F-bombs. Yeah. I needed two sex scenes I think you have to have Devon, Terry Polo Yes Hearing her like groaning And Danny being like Really disturbed By hearing his mom You know In five rooms over Yes And then Vince coming out Being like Hey Danny Just getting some lemonade And just like Having that And then you have to say Bershemy with the hooker You just have to

1:06:42Sean Fennessey:Can we just go back to lemonade For a second Is that like your preference Post-coital I don't know Trying to get the butt sugar Going again

1:06:50Bill Simmons:and the Buscemi murder could have been way better yeah

1:06:53Sean Fennessey:yeah I feel like also for what's the age of worse just him getting stabbed in general on the set is like that sucks that's horrible yeah cause it's funny it's like he does it's not funny but he does like three or four movies a year all the way around this movie and in 04 he just does one which kind of means he had shot like what he shot and then it all came out but like he had basically taken a couple years off well he goes on The Sopranos oh that's right yeah he goes on The Sopranos so he spends a lot of time doing that

1:07:18Bill Simmons:Season 5 Soprano is the best. My favorite Soprano season. It's an amazing season. Tony Blundetto. I have for what's age the worst the police sergeant as well who also gets the Vincent Chase award for I was sure this character was good at his job. I also had him for overacting. This is Ruben Santiago Hudson who just got nominated for a Tony. So he's like a very accomplished actor. He's done a lot of work. But when he's like... He's terrible in this movie. What does he say? He was like, I'm not wasting any more time or money on this sick kid's bullshit story. that is like nobody understands why he's so mad at Danny yeah

1:07:50Sean Fennessey:it's a kid for age the worst also just any Jonathan D. Crane's a producer of this movie he was Travolta's manager from 78 or from maybe 1988 through 2004 any movie that he's listed as a producer is a not is he kind of like a Svengali type yeah okay um the mom stuff

1:08:13Bill Simmons:she's just such a stupid character I can't believe they didn't fix any of it. She's one of the dumbest characters in the From Hell movies. This movie claims it's in Maryland, but it's entirely shot in North Carolina. And I don't know why they didn't just say it was in North Carolina. What was the point of being like, oh, the Maryland coast is something like, why? The only sort of sign of it is when he gives him a Cal Ripken glove, but otherwise it doesn't feel like the chest is weird at all. That's right. This is my favorite though. There's a GQ interview with Travolta, and he said he had an idea for an extra step in the end where after Vince Vaughn was electrocuted he played dead for a few seconds then bolted up now much stronger from the electricity and they had a second fight but then he said that idea was scrapped.

1:08:56Bill Simmons:That's too bad.

1:08:57Sean Fennessey:It would have been better in the like ridiculous horror movie trope way than what we get. For him to come back up. Yeah. You know like Michael Myers or something. Vince Vaughn was like Hans Gruber yeah Vince is like I'm out.

1:09:10Bill Simmons:My plane's out here tomorrow. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking Vince is like a 3.5 yeah it's like I'm barely I'm kind of rooting for him honestly yeah Ruffalo Hain and Rubiduck Partridge overacting we're giving it to the sergeant and then Sean you have a flex

1:09:26Sean Fennessey:I mean it's the same as what we were saying before the Saracana Award for when modern technology ruined this movie I just feel like reverse image search alone on a photo of Rick just ends this whole thing or just like one piece of police work yeah you know Yeah, who was Ray? This guy's having eggs in town. He's clearly a person who's spending time there. And then he just disappears. They're not looking into this.

1:09:47Bill Simmons:That's another scene that's missing where after the sergeant shoos everyone away and it's like, this kid, why does he keep making? I'm tired of wasting money for him. Not having the young female cop or somebody be like, Sarge, I got to ask, why would that kid make up a story that elaborate? It doesn't make you think. Isn't there something about this Rick Barnes? Travolta would have been like it seems like Danny probably would have seen Ray at the wedding as well Susan would have seen Ray when he's introduced to her then Travolta sees Ray a couple days after the wedding and he's like I'm thinking about buying real estate here so it's not like everybody's like who's Ray this is a ghost the kid made him up it's really strange I watched my daughter I've watched this movie twice in the last month including the first time with my daughter when she was home in the month of May and she loved this movie because she loves all From Hell movies and she loves Turn Your Brain Off movies and this is a good Turn Your Brain Off movie.

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1:11:53Bill Simmons:The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Let us take a word. What do you got, CR? If this movie is about Steve Buscemi's character hunting down Vince's, and that the tension is that Vince is trying to start a new life and Ray is getting in the way of that. It's like a really, really cool aughts crime movie. And it's like they really had like an original, you know, criminal trying to turn a new leaf, getting hunted down by his past. Would have been awesome. Imagine five more Buscemi and Vaughn scenes, but instead we got Danny in the boat.

1:12:30Sean Fennessey:This is sort of related to that in terms of how they misframed the movie, but Danny is the villain of the movie and he should be in prison for betraying his father publicly.

1:12:37Bill Simmons:And was kind of a deranged kid. Had some problems, yeah. Well, divorce, you know. Well, he really like, he's climbing the cars. Like, there's some stowaway thing they mentioned in the beginning. And they were like, yeah, he did that stowaway thing again. It's like, so he's just climbing into the back seats of cars and maybe driven around. So he's acting out because his parents got divorced, right? Like, these are like weird runway things? Yeah, I think Danny's probably... I had Travolta and Vaughn switch parts better movie. That's my casting what if. It's the only thing I had. Oh, interesting.

1:13:11Bill Simmons:I think you're right. I just think it's better. Oh. It's funnier because this movie was always meant to be an unintentional comedy classic anyway. I think Travolta trying to be the bad, big swinging dick bad guy. And Vaughn being like the younger guy. He's got some Chicago mob ties. Vaughn and Terry Polo got married when they were like 19. It didn't work out. makes sense. Vaughn's like a rich guy. He just wants to work on folks but is a nice guy. They're like a little too far apart in age. They're almost 20 years apart Vaughn and Travolta. It feels a little weird.

1:13:41Sean Fennessey:Yeah. Well it's also like why were Travolta and Polo married? It doesn't really. They're at least 15 years apart.

1:13:46Bill Simmons:And how old is she supposed to really like this kid's 12. She's pregnant. She's in her mid-30s. She's supposed to be like mid-30s but in Meet the Parents she's in mid-20s that comes out a year earlier.

1:13:57Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:13:57Bill Simmons:Yeah it's weird. It's off. Casting went ifs Couldn't find any Best that guy I wore Two really good ones Chris Ellis And Ruben Santiago Hudson Right Who's Chris Ellis He's the other cop Who's like always in NASA's control center He's great I went deep diver Oh okay Travolta's girlfriend Played Beecher's girlfriend On Oz She sure did That's right We saw her She sure did The judge In the custody trial hearing The evil jury foreman From A Time to Kill Oh Oh. Yeah, that guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he's a good that guy. Yeah. You see his face and you just think about the KKK and bad trials in the South.

1:14:39Sean Fennessey:This movie has a similar energy as A Time to Kill where you're just like, what? They're going for the KKK? You know, like an hour into the movie, you're like, they're going to lose?

1:14:50Bill Simmons:Deanne Waiter's a word. It's Buscemi, right? Absolutely. Can I make a case for the hooker? No. Patty? Yeah, Patty.

1:14:57Sean Fennessey:we're just passing time yeah watching watching some DePaul that whole thing with the lighter where it's like 20-25 bucks yeah

1:15:06Bill Simmons:recasting couch director or city I'm gonna give you three choices as the sergeant okay um the cultural fun one 50 cent like just trying to be coming off of get rich or die yeah yeah it's just like I'm trying to do movies now I'm the sergeant in domestic disturbance not sure he screams

1:15:24Sean Fennessey:Maryland police lieutenant okay Is Get Rich 01? When does it come out? I think it is, yeah.

1:15:30Bill Simmons:Philip Michael Thomas? Sure, man. Yeah. Okay. A little comeback for him. Older, he's been around. Doing little Rico tubs. I was thinking Ernie Hudson. Ernie Hudson? Yeah. Lawrence Fishburne? We've already spent$75 million. Let's go$80 million. A little overqualified. Let's go$80 million. We already spent$75 million.

1:15:50Sean Fennessey:Yeah, sure. What's he doing in 2001? Is that deep cover? When's deep cover? Post-Maintryx. No, it's post-Maintryx. Post-Matrix. That's right, yeah. Yeah. And starring... Give him a couple extra scenes. Lawrence, how are you going to follow up the Matrix? Well, playing the eighth lead in Domestic Disturbance. Terrence Howard.

1:16:06Bill Simmons:They're going to yell at a troll award. Terrence Howard, boy. Yeah. That could work. I think I like Philip Michael Thomas the most. Craig, you have a flex. Doorflirt's door award. How much did that hurt? People take some shots to the head in this movie. Travolta goes through a car door window in the final scene. Yeah, yeah. Takes a crowbar to the back of the head in his boat shop. Vince Vaughn takes a baseball bat to the skull and is just up and at him like a minute later.

1:16:30Sean Fennessey:But swung by a 13-year-old. I mean, still. It's still a metal bat, man. Terry Polo, head first into a cabinet. That's right. I mean, there's a brutal stretch of 15 minutes of head trauma. Violent film. CT. Everyone has CT at the end. Fortunately, Vince Vaughn was killed, so we don't have to worry about the after effects of that baseball bat wound. Also, as somebody who's been electrocuted, he wouldn't have died that quickly. You've been electrocuted? You've been electrocuted? Yes. How? one of my last two weeks of college, I worked at the film house, like the rental house. We'd rent out equipment to film students.

1:17:02And they brought back one of the big stage lights and there was clearly some faulty wire that happened while they were filming. We had to check all of them before they came back to make sure they were okay before we put them away and like log them. And something was wrong. I plugged it in, turned on the light, was holding it. It's a metal light. Got electrocuted for like, from what I was told, 10 to 15 seconds. Wow. Did you pass out? No. somebody saw what was going on at Unplug the Light but it was like sparking I don't really have a strong memory of it I don't know how long it lasted but I was like apparently like flexing all my muscles for like 10-15 seconds like trying to make a sound but you can't because you're so constrained

1:17:37Sean Fennessey:do you think that that is your superhero origin story that that made you like a gifted taste

1:17:43Bill Simmons:that's how he was able to read the futures of tight ends for football seasons that's right stay away from Kyle Pitts I was like if I die somebody should eat me and that's how I came up with the cannibalism take use my skin and muscles for food but he would have held on way long it was like five seconds he's not gonna die that quick like that I didn't realize Craig was what a great piece of let's go to our electrocution expert Craig Horlbeck

1:18:09Sean Fennessey:were you actually like 5 '7 110 pounds until that happened yeah

1:18:13Bill Simmons:it was like HGH yeah

1:18:15Sean Fennessey:yeah it was weirdly fine

1:18:17Bill Simmons:like two days later he's like walking in the trivial psychic yeah yeah You're going to have a cup of coffee.

1:18:22Sean Fennessey:That's your dead zone moment.

1:18:24Bill Simmons:Half-ass internet research. The only one I could find that was interesting was Travolta flew himself in and out of Wilmington during the shoots. Can I ask, what do you guys think Travolta's relationship to the bar fight story is? Like, do you think they asked him to go out with them and he was like, no, no, guys, that's okay. There's no way he was going out with those guys. Do you think it then became like a you-don't-know-what-we've-been-through kind of divisive thing on set? Yeah, like the nom of domestic servants. I don't think I'm even talking close now.

1:18:53Is there any way you can find out?

1:18:57Bill Simmons:Maybe I could. Apex Mountain. Travolta, no. Vaughn, no. Buscemi, no. Terry Polo, no. Divorce movies, no. Evil stepdad movies, no. Wooden Boat Company movies? Sure. How many Wooden Boat plots have we had? Well, I mean, there are a lot of movies about yachting that are better than this, and those are all wooden boats, aren't they? Did this make you want to get a wooden boat someday, CR? Nah. No? No.

1:19:25Sean Fennessey:I got to look this up. What? Just movies about boat makers, you know? Just like the small... There's probably like a Robert Brisson movie called The Boat Maker.

1:19:36Bill Simmons:Maryland Coast, definitely not, since it was filmed in North Carolina. Is this Apex Mountain for the cinematic depiction of the DePaul men's college basketball program? This was... If he's watching the 2000-2001 team, it's Bobby Simmons and Stephen Hunter. They weren't bad. But, you know, they had three pros on that team.

1:19:55Sean Fennessey:You use Apex Mountain for that being depicted? Yeah, I mean, DePaul is definitely the 80s. The Mark Aguirre, Ray Meyer era. But I'm just saying, like, being depicted on... It's just a weird bit that he's like, I'm really into Chicago.

1:20:08Bill Simmons:But they have to bang home that he's from Chicago, so you have to do DePaul because you have no other Chicago. Were they playing Maryland? Why would that game be on in Maryland?

1:20:16Sean Fennessey:That's a good question. There's some speculation about why is it on at all because it's the middle of the fall.

1:20:21Bill Simmons:Oh, yeah. Yeah, I had that in Apex. It's October 18th. He dies. There's no college basketball yet. Tough one. A little sketchy. Hella Becker's like, yeah, whatever. Nobody will notice this. It's not like podcasts are coming. Maybe the sports are.

1:20:37Bill Simmons:Huge embarrassing bar fights during a filming. I think this was Apex Mountain Saturday. Well, there's probably like a ton from the 40s where like John Wayne split a guy's head open. I was going to say,

1:20:45Sean Fennessey:There's got to be some sort of Oliver Reed, Richard Harris story where those guys are, you know. Dean Martin killed a guy. Yeah, Robert Shaw. Those guys are getting into some trouble.

1:20:53Bill Simmons:It's a fair point. Oliver Reed or Richard Harris probably had a worse one where they fought 10 guys and then shit on one of them. Peter O'Toole fell down a staircase or something. The British guys used to drink in my grandfather's pubs back in England. Okay. He had one in Camden. He had one in the Knightsbridge area back in the 40s or 50s or whatever. They used to get hammered there.

1:21:14Sean Fennessey:That'd be a good movie. He's like, they were, but they were like Olympic, like blackout drinkers. Right, right. Yeah. Two bottles of whiskey. Gin.

1:21:21Bill Simmons:Yeah. Just straight gin. And there's like a legacy with it too. Like when you're a young up and comer, you're like, this is how it's got to go. Yeah. I've got, I've got to get blackout drunk. That's part of responsibility. I think like Sean Penn took that mantle for a while. Yeah. That's the famous Paul Newman thing.

1:21:37Sean Fennessey:Right?

1:21:37Bill Simmons:Drink like a case of beer every day. Best, we had to replace Scorsese or Spielberg. Oh, because you've had Spielberg. We can't do that anymore. Why? Because we had Spielberg doing Scorsese. I have to retire the category. Oh, wow. Should we have a different pair of directors every episode or just a steady? Now it's Becker or Hanson. Yeah. I was going to say Becker or Kubrick. I have replaced it for this episode with best name for the movie for a racehorse. And it's either Southport or Ray Coleman. But I think a horse named Ray Coleman would have been pretty good. I think Rick Jack would have been good.

1:22:11I wrote Danny Lies.

1:22:13Bill Simmons:Danny lies here comes Danny lies Cruz or Hanks or Cruz and Hanks

1:22:19Sean Fennessey:gotta be gotta be is this the first

1:22:22Bill Simmons:Cruz and Hanks that we've had I think we've had a couple this is a legitimately good one should be Cruz and Hanks

1:22:27Sean Fennessey:right Hanks is the father Cruz is the stepfather

1:22:30Bill Simmons:Cruz is or would you go the other way Hanks going against type I would enjoy that I'd like to see it it's definitely Cruz

1:22:41Sean Fennessey:Travolta's playing a Cruz part 01 is minority report for Cruz what's Hanks doing in 01 is it Castaway is 99 what's 01 Castaway is 2000

1:22:51Bill Simmons:and the wheels start to shift for Hanks a little bit Cruz is still locked in he's in vanilla sky he's still cranking you get a baseball scene out of Cruz that's true and Hanks you know league of their own he can do it that's right I think maybe they can have catch with each other crank it's interesting because neither of them normally play the Vaughn part

1:23:12Sean Fennessey:No.

1:23:14Bill Simmons:If you could only have one, who would you have? I would have Cruz in the Travolta part. I would like to see...

1:23:22Sean Fennessey:Cruz in the Vaughn part is amazing. I could see Cruz saying, like, I'm not trying to be your dad, but I'd like to be your friend.

1:23:29Bill Simmons:And the baseball scene would be huge. Picky Knits, all the obvious dubs, the fooling versus fuck. Do you think Rick put any effort into a new identity, or did he just buy, like, a new... kind of some new clothes?

1:23:43Sean Fennessey:I think it's like it demands an even bigger question. Like the plan. So he is to pretend to be happy and marry a single mom and do public acts as a citizen in this town. to be happy at all. He says to her, you're the best thing that's ever happened to me. But does he really believe that? I think he feels like he got away with it. I think he thinks like, I'm going to, I've always wanted to get out of the grime and be a big man in society. And what you need is money to do that. And it's all working out. And is he just like, Terry Polo is a smoke show. So I'm super stoked. I mean, that's another one that I wanted to ask is like, so when this movie starts, how long have they been divorced for?

1:24:19Bill Simmons:A year? Because they make it seem like the divorce just happened. I would say a year. She got pregnant pretty fast. Terry Polo, a little loose in this movie, maybe?

1:24:29Sean Fennessey:How much time goes by during the film? It's unclear. Yeah. All of it's unclear. I thought a couple of days, but that would mean she was... It's got to be more than that. But she was probably pregnant at the wedding. They get like a custody trial.

1:24:41Bill Simmons:It feels like September, October. I don't think that this town has a big docket. They're probably just like, sure, custody trial. We got nothing going on. Let's do it tomorrow.

1:24:51Bill Simmons:Rick changes his name and his life, but it's totally cool with having a newspaper wedding announcement with this picture. Oh, yeah. I'm probably vetoing that if I'm Rick Barnes. Not a good choice.

1:25:02Sean Fennessey:I will say the choice of picking a name in which there is another prominent person with that name... Good Google. ...is really smart.

1:25:09Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:25:10Sean Fennessey:so you'd recommend that yeah you'd be like my name is Humphrey Bogart

1:25:13Bill Simmons:do you think they should have had Rick with his old life when they when the newspaper thing comes up like had a beard like something about him looks different exactly the same it's just like oh this is clearly him the no blood in the car post-stabbing was incredible Southport Brickworks just having no evidence at all anywhere no fingerprints in the door nothing in the incinerator it's just all gone there's not like one idea or anything If Danny had just said at the trial, like, I stand by what I said, and also this man has threatened me since then and said he's going to kill my father if I say what I'm saying on the stand, at the worst, the cops would be like, we got to get Danny out of that house and we need to put you guys into protective custody.

1:25:55Bill Simmons:Yeah, but we got to at least figure this out for the next two weeks. How does Frank find Betty the hooker? He's at her house all of a sudden? No, that's in the motel, isn't it? Was it? It seemed like an apartment.

1:26:08Sean Fennessey:I think he goes to her house after going to the motel. Patty the hooker. Is it Patty or Betty? It's Patty, and he sees the phone records. Right. He's like, who's this? And he's like, I love the girls, love the ladies.

1:26:20Bill Simmons:So this guy's fucking Bernthal in our show now is Wayne Jenkins? He's fucking tracking people down. I didn't know I was working with Sherlock Holmes. He's tracking people down but can't figure out Rick Barnes. Isn't Rick Barnes? How would they know immediately that she lost the baby is my favorite nitpick from this. And then, Danny, I'm sorry. Thanks, Sergeant. I'm going to be suing the town now. Thanks for the apology that I'll now be talking about in the trial because my boathouse is gone. That Southport Chamber of Commerce is going down. Yeah, everything. Frank is basically on the town. This brings the town to its knees.

1:27:00Bill Simmons:Yeah, it's over. Anything else? From Picking Nets now. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast. Wait, one more thing.

1:27:07Sean Fennessey:what's going on with the other two convicts are they still in prison those guys are out but they weren't looking for Rick I think they were probably like we can't find him we're idiots

1:27:19Bill Simmons:that's the sequel Ray's like I almost gave up and then you had a fucking wedding announcement all I knew was you were on the east coast that's DD2 DD2 coming

1:27:29Sean Fennessey:yeah sometimes they come back they could show up and just be like look now it's your debt to Frank you know yeah and you got to make us boats for like getaway boats for bankrupt written drug boats

1:27:44Bill Simmons:uh i'm going all black cast for the next category okay and they probably already made it we just didn't know what happened i would do prequel i would do the racketeering storyline oh that was what i did too what i want to see what they did oh it's so vague chicago yeah turns into chicago you think we get ron dean in there yeah let's get to palma to make it yeah davis yeah is this movie It'd be better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr. Charles Nichols, or someone else. You're a little fucking liar, aren't you, Danny? You're going to do this for me, or I'm going to clip your nuts like I clipped your daddies.

1:28:19He builds boats for me now. I was watching a scene the other day.

1:28:26Sean Fennessey:That's a perfect match. Fucking hell, it's such a good scene.

1:28:29Bill Simmons:Fergie the Flores, the South Pound. You think you're the only guy in Charleston with a gun? I wanted Dr. Charles Nichols at the Chamber of Commerce ceremony and then having Frank there. You have to excuse my friend Frank. He's very not well. Just one Oscar who gets it. We rarely do this, but this is a full-fledged nobody. No Oscars in it for this one.

1:28:55Sean Fennessey:One of the worst performances for Apex Mountain and just one Oscar in show history. Yeah.

1:28:59Bill Simmons:Really, really. You can't make a case for anything. Unanswerable questions. Did Travolta and Terry Polo get back together? I don't think so. This was my Zewant Neo

1:29:11Sean Fennessey:was another way to do a sequel to the movie. So Danny is traumatized for life by what happens, obviously, but Susan and Travolta get back together. And then that drives Diane, Travolta's girlfriend, crazy. And then she goes out and seeks revenge in the sequel. It's the second. DD2 is Diane's revenge.

1:29:30Bill Simmons:That's where you really needed Tiffany Amber Thiessen instead of that actress. She would have cooked. She was bringing some of the Valerie energy. Yeah, she's angry now.

1:29:40Bill Simmons:Terry Polo inherits all of Jack Rick's fortune. I bet that they hadn't drawn up wills yet. They got married. Do you do that the day of? I mean, like, it's... They're married. She inherits everything. So in a weird way, it all worked out for everybody. They get back together. Probably the police get involved with what... The money. How that money got. He sues the town. He owns Southport. Owns like a big chunk of the city now because they fucked up his boathouse huge W for Travolta yeah I think it's a big win except for his son being destroyed forever well that was my other unanswerable when does Danny kill his first prostitute and is it Patty I think Danny becomes a compulsive liar after this because he's like it worked

1:30:19Sean Fennessey:continues to be a compulsive liar continues to be a compulsive liar and then Danny should become a detective and it should drive this sergeant guy crazy who's now the chief of police he's like I can't believe this little fucking liar is my detective We've really nicely shaped the domestic disturbance cinematic universe. I can't believe they'd make nine of these.

1:30:38Bill Simmons:Danny's hosting a fantasy football podcast for The Ringer. Yeah, Danny's like, me and Michael Penix were hanging out last night. He knows a thing or two about electrocution as well. Those are the qualifications. The memorabilia you'd most want for this movie, clearly the Rick Barnes Chamber of Commerce Award. That big plaque he got. Or Danny's Cal Ripken glove. Oh, the glove would be good. I want one of those boats. The wooded boat. The handmade boat. Pretty flammable. Good point. Fair. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, where best, worst life lesson. Believe your child? Sure. You don't agree with that?

1:31:13Bill Simmons:Well, yeah, sure. I think I should. My whole thing is, if a story's that elaborate, you have my attention.

1:31:19Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:31:19Bill Simmons:It's not like, I saw Rick kill a guy. It's like, so we drove in. There's a thing. There was an incinerator. Like, at some point, there's just too much detail. when he's like on the, stand and he's like, I actually got out in town and I just took off. It's like, well, how do you know about the incinerator then? And how do you know about all the details of this thing? Yeah. Best double feature choice.

1:31:43Sean Fennessey:I have the stepfather. It's a tricky one because it makes them, this movie look worse because the stepfather is better. Stepfather's good. I have Be Cool because you need to have a palate cleanser of Travolta. Like you need to like have like a... Travolta and Vaughn. Yeah. They're in it together. Not Battlefield Earth?

1:32:01Bill Simmons:No. who won the movie I think Vaughn did just because I just like watching Vince Vaughn

1:32:07Sean Fennessey:he's very entertaining I really respected how hard he tried all throughout I wrote Matt O 'Leary who's the only actor who's like actually giving a good performance you know kid performances are really up and down the movie kind of hinges on him he's very good in the movie it would be kind of amazing if Culkin was doing Good Son in this movie wow and kind of came face to face with another killer oh like two from hell hell characters neat That would be cool is if you could start making like From Hell crossover movies. Another cinematic universe idea. That sounds great. What'd you think, Craig? It's a great summer selection.

1:32:43I immediately knew I could watch this movie at like noon on a Monday, which was great. I'm really racking up some classics here in From Hell Month that I can talk to absolutely no one my age about.

1:32:56Yeah, I honestly, mostly just kind of fascinated observing John Travolta in this movie like an extraterrestrial and I kind of was just obsessed with his entire look and performance and everything about him.

1:33:05Sean Fennessey:But what the circumference of his head? His head is enormous. Triple Van Fon's head. Scientologists don't drink, right? Ooh. Do they? I don't know. I don't believe so. Because his familiarity with the Bud Light can is it seems like it's the first time he's hauled one of those. What do they call it? Cruz would have that too. It's not Bud Light. Like what does it say on it? I think it's supposed to be like Keystone or something like that or Natty. Travolta's really all over the place. he can really play up and down to his opponent. He's like Darnold. That's like, you could win three games with him and he's the worst quarterback in the league.

1:33:35It's a great take. Or he's like, you could win a Super Bowl in the right system. It's true. It's true. If he's got the right coach.

1:33:41Bill Simmons:Travolta is Sam Darnold. What are Craig's best takes?

1:33:44Sean Fennessey:Yeah. When I was growing up, I loved Get Shorty. I thought Get Shorty was the greatest movie. I was a kid who was obsessed with movies. And in that movie, he's so fucking cool. He's so unbelievably cool. And, you know, he's in his late 30s, early 40s in that movie. He's not a kid or anything. But it's like just a few years later where you're like, has this guy ever been in a movie before? Right.

1:34:05Bill Simmons:It's crazy. He hit a stretch in the late 90s where it felt like he was one of the five biggest stars in the world again. Yeah. And he was, you know, Costner had started to lose some steam. Some of the guys from the 90s, 80s were losing steam. And he was kind of the backup choice to Hanks for a lot of different roles. Well, there's that period where it feels like he and Nick Cage are the two biggest action stars in the world. Right. Which was strange. It was fun when they were in the same movie together. Yeah, I love Travolta. I like it when he's in bad movies. I like when he's in good movies. General's Daughter is the only time it goes sideways.

1:34:40Sean Fennessey:He's singular. He's a singular performer. Do you like civil action? Yeah, I just rewatched it because we did a Robert Duvall episode. Great Duvall performance in that movie. It's not bad. It's a little stiff, but it's not bad. It's very confusing similarly at the end of that movie, but that's kind of also at the end of his respectability.

1:34:59Bill Simmons:well we did this out of sequence but The Good Son which we've already done is coming next week and that's a much much much better movie but from Helmont CR it's just it's heaven just bangers left and right turn your brain off have some fun thanks to Craig thanks to Gahau as well thanks to you guys and we'll see you next week on The Good Son

1:35:29We'll be right back.