‘GoldenEye’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

9:36Bill Simmons:which I think is when the GoldenEye game came

9:38Chris Ryan:out. I knew Pierce Brosnan was Bond and the Mrs. Doubtfire guy, and I remember that being kind of weird, but I never saw the actual Brosnan Bonds, the first ones I saw were Craig, but the video game was awesome. It had like the coolest music ever. The pause music, I remember on GoldenEye 007 was like way better than it needed to be. Great game. It's the enduring legacy of the movie, right? That's how we ended up doing this for Rewatchables. We were talking about the GoldenEye game. This and Perfect Dark, I don't know if it's built on the same game engine or whatever. It is, yeah. It's basically like a spiritual

10:12Sean Fennessey:sequel.

10:13Chris Ryan:It's basically a spiritual sequel and this game had... It came out two years after the movie. Yeah, and it had multiplayer. So you could sit there with your friends and get stoned and listen to Wu-Tang Clan, which I did, and play Goldeneye for eight hours. Yeah. It's like, I'm going to put a nuclear bomb on your lap. Goodbye. Put on Ray Kwan. This was the best time of my life, honestly. Yeah.

10:36Bill Simmons:Like, the happiest I've ever been. They just created DVDs. This really was unbelievable. You can just do dumb shit and not be judged.

10:43Sean Fennessey:It was a really fun time. I remember it well. I was a teenager when it came out and we were not an N64 household. We had a PlayStation. You had GameCube?

10:52Chris Ryan:We had to...

10:52Sean Fennessey:I was a Sega Genesis kid and then I was a PlayStation kid. And so we went to my friend Dave Brown's house and did the same thing even though we were only 15.

11:02Bill Simmons:I never played this game because I thought it glorified guns. That's not true at all. Did you ever play this game? I did. I used to play more sports games though. Okay. I was always like Tecmo Bowl and Madden and the golf game and hockey. I was always gravitated that way.

11:20Sean Fennessey:I feel like the reason this game is so important, the number one reason, there are probably a few reasons, is it's the first mainstream non-gamer first-person shooter. Like Doom had existed for years before this, but you played it on a computer. And maybe there had been some console version of it, but I don't think before this. And the Virtual Cop was also a game. I researched this.

11:40Bill Simmons:it's credited as being the first good first person shooter game but also with the multiplayer thing it basically like this is ground zero for all the games that came after

11:51Chris Ryan:yeah there's also like I remember it kind of did have at that time it felt very tactile the globetrotting excitement of Bond because like you would play there was like a Russia level there was like a submarine level there was like you play on the Riviera like there was to the extent that my frontal mode was formed. I was like, this is really amazing.

12:15Bill Simmons:So they said it sold over 8 million copies and it was the third biggest Nintendo 64 game ever. 8 million copies really means like 30 million? Because think of how many people probably guys in their 20s living together or guys in college who probably pooled money together to buy a copy.

12:31Chris Ryan:I'm sure we'll hear about it of a game based on a movie where the game is bigger than the movie.

12:38Bill Simmons:or had like a longer legacy yeah because even now i was looking up some of like the best video game ever pieces that people write it's in all of them yeah it's it's just like an og it has to be put in

12:51Sean Fennessey:it's like a turning point in video games i mean my video game experience basically ends in 2005 but this is probably the right dead set in the middle because i think i got an nes in like 1990 and it definitely, every single 15-year-old guy friend I had wanted to play this game every day. And I can't remember other than Madden in college having that experience. Yeah.

13:13Bill Simmons:The other thing with this was they finally got Pierce Brosnan as Bond. And I remember that being like the Iranian hostage crisis for him trying to get him out of Remington Steel. It started in 86. They tried to get him before Dalton, right? Yes. Remington Steel hits in 1982, a show that I watched every once in a while because I had a crush on Stephanie Zimblush. She was one of the 190 people I had a crush on back in 1982. Can you explain what Remington Steele was? It was like a spy show, and they kind of worked together. It was a little on the heart versus heart corner or whatever that show was, but he was just so clearly like, this guy's going to be the next James Bond.

13:51Bill Simmons:He checked every James Bond box, and then when James Bond finally became available in 86, and he was going to do it, and then they renewed the show. and it was like an actual Hollywood story.

14:03Chris Ryan:Yeah.

14:03Bill Simmons:Like this guy wants to do Bond. He served his Remington Steel stunt. But at that time, you did shows for five years and you couldn't get out. And that was it. So he had to pass it up. They ended up going to Timothy Dalton.

14:15Chris Ryan:And ironically, the reason Dalton's not this Bond and a lot of people have commented on Goldeneye feeling more like a Dalton Bond than what would come from Brosnan after is because Dalton was waiting for the script and waiting for the script. and then when the script finally came, he's like, oh, I'll do this one. They were like, we can't sign you up for just one. So if you want to do it, it's going to be like another five years or another three movies or whatever it was going to be. And he was just like, I can't.

14:41Bill Simmons:And Brosnan was available at that point.

14:42Chris Ryan:And Brosnan was available.

14:43Bill Simmons:Yeah, six-year hiatus. They had some legal disputes. It's the Broccoli family versus MGM. Yeah, MGM. And they couldn't solve shit.

14:50Sean Fennessey:I mean, that's a huge moment in Hollywood history where MGM is basically defrauded by its acquirer and then it goes into a holding company from a Swiss bank or French bank. And then one of the major movie studios is in this kind of like limbo ownership period. And of course, James Bond is right at the center of that studio. It's the reason why ultimately Amazon bought MGM in the first place is the ultimate value of James Bond. And then bought out the broccolis.

15:13Bill Simmons:It's an unbelievable time for movies compared to now. I felt like I had so much awareness of this while not because Premiere Magazine would be writing about every month. And it seemed like every company was going bankrupt or being defrauded or there would be the reverse, like Castle Rock coming out of nowhere, Miramax. I wonder how our relationship to stuff

15:31Chris Ryan:like Warner Brothers, Netflix, Paramount would be if we read one great piece about it a month rather than like baby words about it every single day.

15:41Sean Fennessey:Or it was just like there was a book like Hit and Run, you know, where it was just like, here's the total story of this era at this studio. But we don't, it doesn't come like that. We have the town of Matt Bellamy. But I know exactly what you mean. I felt like I had like a more fun relationship to this stuff because I was like, cool, great article,

15:57Chris Ryan:explaining why this actor can't get out of a contract or something.

16:01Bill Simmons:Remember when Peter Goober and John Peters took over Sony, which became the book, but when they were covering that in real time, it would just be like every three months there would be another crazy story about these guys are fucking just setting money on fire in a garage and blowtorching it. Kid Masters was reporting on it, right?

16:19Sean Fennessey:She was writing those articles, but then pulled it all together.

16:22Bill Simmons:But there would be Vanity Fair or Premiere, but it was sometimes New York Magazine, but it would really be once in a while. Otherwise it was the trades,

16:27Chris Ryan:right but people weren't reading the trades online then and then you had like even like the

16:30Bill Simmons:small like we talked on rewatchables before about carol co which was doing all like the stallone and schwarzenegger and van damme and then all of a sudden they went down i've never been more

16:39Sean Fennessey:excited for a movie than james cameron spider-man funded by carol co and it never happened yeah i remember reading about that and being like just put that inside me when i was 13 years old so

16:49Chris Ryan:they've done a great job over the course of the years with bond where it's like even as maybe the interest in the franchise wins which it seems to every four movies or whatever they're just really good at creating a trade deadline of like yeah who are we gonna pick up to play bond and it turns into something that's bigger than the movies themselves which was why what did the what did

17:10Bill Simmons:they go for what the franchise go for amazon bought it right well i don't know what the final

17:14Sean Fennessey:number was for the buyout i mean you know billions of dollars well then they had to buy out brock the broccolis right yeah yeah because it was like they paid eight billion dollars as i recall for MGM total, but MGM doesn't own James Bond, obviously. The broccoli family did a separate deal a year ago for that. Part of that apparently was just because the Broccoli's were just sick of dealing with Amazon and didn't like Amazon.

17:34Chris Ryan:And Amazon wants to be able to make Miss Moneypenny prestige TV show or whatever.

17:39Bill Simmons:And Bezos was like at the end of the dinner after they'd ordered the fourth bottle of wine and he got the check for MGM and Broccoli. He's like, does that say $9.2 billion? Did we do this? And now all of a sudden all the movies or on Netflix. Like, hey, can we offload this anywhere?

17:56Sean Fennessey:Yeah. I mean, that's a complicated aspect of it. But they just have to get the movie right. They hired Denis Villeneuve. I think he'll get it right. They're not really worried.

18:04Bill Simmons:They went over the movie nerds immediately. Yeah. Do we know who's writing it?

18:07Sean Fennessey:I don't know.

18:09Chris Ryan:Is Villeneuve the most accomplished director to ever handle a Bond movie?

18:13Sean Fennessey:Depends on how you define that. Michael Apted made one of the Pierce Brosnan movies, and he's an acclaimed filmmaker who's got a lot of ups and downs. but Denise is probably the best big tent film. Yeah, I mean, it had been

18:24Chris Ryan:rumored for a long time that Nolan would be interested, Tarantino has been interested about doing like a basically very Tarantino-esque reimagining of it.

18:34Sean Fennessey:I think they've approached Spielberg multiple times. But Nolan's essentially made three Bond movies.

18:39Bill Simmons:That would have started another world war, I think, if Tarantino had done a Bond movie. I think England would have just tried to invade us.

18:44Chris Ryan:My favorite two what-ifs are Tarantino Star Trek and Tarantino Bond. Like, that's just so fascinating to me. What would have happened to those franchises?

18:51Bill Simmons:Tarantino Bond would have been just unheroin. Yeah, no, I would say he has to be the best director. He's probably the first time a top five director has done a Bond movie. I think so. Like somebody who's consensus like in the top five now.

19:04Chris Ryan:Do you think James Bond is still the coolest role you can book in Hollywood? It is in England for what it's worth. I mean, I think for a British actor. Because 10 years ago you could probably say it was a superhero. I don't know if that's the case now. Is it Bond?

19:18Bill Simmons:I still think Batman's the coolest role. I think that's the Super Bowl winning NFL quarterback role.

19:24Chris Ryan:There's like three or four or five roles where it's like your fucking life's about to change. Like you think you're famous now. You think you've got paparazzi following you now. You think people are speculating. Your life is going to change. It's Batman, Spider-Man, Bond. Superman, Batman, Bond, yeah. I wonder who else that... J.D. Vance.

19:40Sean Fennessey:That's one of them. What's the other one?

19:45Chris Ryan:Hamnett.

19:46Sean Fennessey:Hamnett, yep, that's the other one.

19:47Chris Ryan:The little guy who uses...

19:48Sean Fennessey:Jacoby Jupe. Get ready, brothers.

19:50Bill Simmons:Have you watched Jesse Buckley sing?

19:52Sean Fennessey:Yeah, there's a movie called Wild Rose that every human has to watch where Jesse Buckley plays an aspiring country and western singer who is from... She's either Scottish or Irish in the film. I can't remember. And she sings nine country western songs. Every one is a fucking heater. It's a movie that made me fall in love with her.

20:12Bill Simmons:I went on a two-hour deep dive of just talk show appearances. and like, she might be the best. She might be the coolest sang in the world. She got her start on a singing talent show

20:23Sean Fennessey:in the UK.

20:24Chris Ryan:I mean, she's Irish, so you know she's cool. Hamnet last night. You did? I liked it. You're in the mood for a comedy? I liked it. That's great.

20:31Bill Simmons:Yeah. Nice. Good for you. Well, you're a little late on it.

20:35Chris Ryan:Sorry.

20:36Bill Simmons:A lot of hype. Yeah. A lot of hype at this point.

20:39Chris Ryan:But there was mixed hype. Bill's got a lot of Hamnet stock. He really does.

20:43Bill Simmons:I thought it was the best female performance of the decade. Bill Simmons, Hamnet. I put it against any other performance. Wow. Yeah, for real. Your Hamnet and Dream Dream stocks is really interesting to me. Six years of best actress performances. What was better than that?

20:56Sean Fennessey:Cate Blanchett and Tara is up there for me.

20:58Bill Simmons:That's pretty good. God damn it. That's a good one. She didn't win, but that's up there. She was unbelievable in that. And she learned how to be a conductor. Yeah, she did. That's pretty good. I don't know. Hamnet really reached into my soul. I love to see you emotional. Yeah. Well, I wasn't expecting it. I think that was the thing. Speaking of emotional.

21:20Chris Ryan:Funko Jansen.

21:22Bill Simmons:Broccoli's health was declining. Alberts, yeah. And he died seven months after this movie. And this was also the first movie that didn't use any story elements from the Ian Fleming books. They were just like, we're going to audible. But as Chris said earlier, feels kind of the most Bondi. Starts out with the big chase scene in the beginning. We have two hot girls. we have a gadget scene we have a car chase we have a crazy tank scene

21:48Sean Fennessey:we have a fun ending

21:50Bill Simmons:in like a big apparatus

21:53Sean Fennessey:there's some sort of confusing Cold War plot

21:56Bill Simmons:it kind of if you're going to do a checklist of things that should be in a Bond movie it might check the most boxes good villain great villain one of my favorite Bond villains I wish they had done more with that character so the reboot this is the first Bond film after Berlin Wall collapses, collapse of the USSR, end of the Cold War. It's the first one that uses CGI. He casts a female M, which was a big deal to people.

22:26Bill Simmons:He doesn't see gender. Well, I was just like, back then they were like, what? It's going to be a female? Now it's like, yeah.

22:33Sean Fennessey:Smart to cast one of the most venerated actors. The famous actress to play M.

22:39Bill Simmons:And then the Bond girls. Fomka Jansen.

22:45Sean Fennessey:Easily in the top 10 Bond girls for me. Easily. Oh, top five for me. It's funny.

22:50Bill Simmons:It's a question of whether she counts as a Bond girl because she's also a villain. Yeah, there's plenty of those over the years, right? This is the rare movie that has two Bond girls together, but one's the heroine, the other is actually a villain, but they count as two Bond girls. But they do that, I think, throughout the Brosnan movies,

23:08Chris Ryan:don't they? There's like a couple of...

23:10Sean Fennessey:yeah there's uh dr christmas jones of course um there's hallie berry she's also what is she but is there an astrophysicist in my mind i guess you're right i hadn't thought about it like that that there's i think it's unusual for the um for the villain to outstrip the the like love partner and sexiness and appeal yeah you know like there's always something a little bit more kind of vindictive. With that said,

23:39Bill Simmons:I love Isabella Skorupka in this. Really strange Wikipedia, IMDb. This was the peak. I really wanted to talk about her. Bounced around after, but I think she's throwing 99 in this, and then Fomke's throwing like 107. Yeah. Fomke's on steroids. I don't know what she's doing in this movie, but I love it.

23:58Sean Fennessey:I love every second of it. I'll hold my Isabella comments for later in the

24:02Bill Simmons:episode. So, top Bond girl ever? What do you have? here's my top three. Barbara Bach, Talisa Soto, I thought was just incredible. Talisa Soto was incredible. Very good. I just don't understand why she wasn't a massive star. And then Pussy Galore, just for half the name. Yeah. But just everything in that scene. That movie's so sexually loaded for this weird era to make that movie. Everything, it's just dripping of innuendo. But I think that's my top three. Eva Green is really... Eva Green's a good one, too. In my zone. That's a good one. All right, I'll make it four. I think Pussy War is probably up there.

24:38Chris Ryan:Who's the one in Man with a Golden Gun? What's her character's name?

24:43Bill Simmons:I'm blanking. Oh, man. Now we're all going to be Googling stuff. So, Fanka Jansen, Dutch model, six feet tall, was on TV.

24:53Chris Ryan:Man with a Golden Gun, the character's Mary Goodnight.

24:56Bill Simmons:Yeah.

24:57Chris Ryan:Britt Eklund. Britt Eklund, yeah. Oh, Britt Eklund. Britt Eklund, yeah.

24:59Bill Simmons:Of course. Does some TV stuff. Really important, Melrose Place appearance.

25:05Sean Fennessey:What happened? What'd she do?

25:07Bill Simmons:Played a hooker that... Famke? That Dr. Michael Mancini hired. Call girl. Lady of the night. Sex worker, yeah. That when Michael Mancini's ex-wife... She played a whore. Well, she was. Michael Mancini's ex-wife Jane was dating this lawyer who did their divorce. Michael Mancini gets this lady to sleep with him, videotapes it, sends it to Jane, breaks them up. That was how I met Famke Jansen. Okay. Like, who is this? Ends up in Bond. Plays Rounders. Gets shut down by Mike McD. The most controversial scene of the 90s. He's like, no, no, I'm good. No, thanks. She's in the faculty? Yep. Yes. A lot of people are in the faculty.

25:50Bill Simmons:Yeah, Jon Stewart. We haven't done a faculty episode?

25:52Chris Ryan:It's been knocking on the door. Hey, man. Whenever you want. Saw it in the theater. I just watched it recently.

25:58Bill Simmons:Yeah, it was great. That was an event. She's in X-Men. Nip-tuck, apparently. And then taken franchise. Mm-hmm.

26:04Sean Fennessey:Yeah. Good career. I think X-Men is definitely the thing she's best known for at this point. Because she was in Jean Grey in so many of those movies. In this room, it's Rounders.

26:11Chris Ryan:And maybe in this room, going forward, it's Xenia on a top.

26:15Sean Fennessey:Special. Special performance.

26:18Chris Ryan:On a top. I don't even understand it. It's so close to Ivana Humpalot. It's like so almost on the verge of being on.

26:29Sean Fennessey:Xenia on a top. That's another reason why Craig is right. I think that GoldenEye, the game, is the most memorable aspect of this. But so much of Austin Powers. I had that coming later. Yeah. Let's do it now. Xenia on the top is just a lot of vagina. The gadget scene. The car stuff. That is the same character.

26:47Bill Simmons:No, it's clear they watched this movie ten times as they were writing the Austin Powers. There's no question. They were trying to pull a whole bunch of things off. Austin Powers still.

26:57Sean Fennessey:He, five out of five.

26:59Bill Simmons:Sean Bean is the bad guy. and he had auditioned to play bond it's 006 turns out this was his worst plan other than when he decided to confront Queen Cersei and tell her about he knew about the incest baby that was probably Sean Bean's dumbest moment

27:17Sean Fennessey:what are you up to in the Thrones rewatch I'm in season 2 now

27:21Chris Ryan:I still can't believe he's sending it to Queen Cersei as Boromir being like I can hold this ring I got this

27:27Sean Fennessey:been doing a lot of Targaryen, Baratheon history in our household because of A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms. Trying to figure out lineages. Complicated. A lot of dark hair.

27:39Bill Simmons:Dark hair all the way through in the Baratheons. Finding your roots. One moment. Demon Targaryen. I like 06 though because there's a little backstory. It's not just like a typical I'm an evil villain and I want to take over shit. It's a good idea.

27:53Chris Ryan:He's a precursor for Bardem in Skyfall, which is like the we were both spies. They broke me. But this guy, he's got basically a lifelong vendetta against the MIS. The whole thing with the Leon's

28:09Sean Fennessey:Cossacks is just a good idea. It's really cleverly constructed.

28:13Bill Simmons:My biggest issue with these movies is when the person feels betrayed by England and wants to commit a bunch of bad shit. I'm always like, I kind of see his point. England sucks. There you go.

28:24Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

28:24Bill Simmons:You know, I agree. He's making some anti-colonial bill.

28:27Sean Fennessey:Yeah. Well, we live in America, and my family's from Ireland, so I think we can fuck off. Yeah.

28:32Bill Simmons:I mean, you know, 1773, they would have blown Boston into the fucking ocean. Now we have 14 titles this century. Fuckers. That's right. The only thing stopping Tom Brady was fucking King George. Directed by Martin Campbell. First non-Brit to direct a Bond movie, and there's like 1 ,700 writers and rewriters for this. They just kept tinkering and tinkering. It's also like the accumulation. I think True Lies was a little close to the original story. They had to fix it.

29:01Chris Ryan:There's some really fun stuff with the True Lies script, this script, and the Mission Impossible movie of like kind of what came first, what was sort of written down first, who had certain ideas first. But yeah, this was the accumulation of a bunch of drafts that they had done for the next Bond movie, some of which like there was one with the American Mafia. There's one with like, it's all interesting to go back and look at that stuff. Movies are still done this way.

29:24Sean Fennessey:You know, these huge movies that have, you know, two credited writers, but they're not the original writers. So there's a story by credit. And then you have five other people who took a whack at stuff to add to it.

29:33Bill Simmons:Usually that happens over two years. Yeah. Six with like the Cold War happening and then two competing projects that were on the corner.

29:40Sean Fennessey:I got confused watching the rewatching the movie today or yesterday because I thought when it starts and it's the USSR, I was like, so is this like a period piece? I had forgotten that they zoom ahead to the future because it's almost exactly that period of time that goes by between movies.

29:57Bill Simmons:$60 million budget made$356.4 million. It's the fourth biggest 1995 movie, which was not a small movie year. It was just the biggest Bond at the time? Biggest Bond since Moonraker. Yeah. Moonraker crushed. People are like, outer space, Bonds. Yeah. Jaws. Gotta go. Going. Going twice. 130 minutes. So on the Craig Century Club, This is a plus 30. Probably could have lost 10, 12 minutes.

30:25Sean Fennessey:I think you can say that about every single Bond movie. I think every single Bond movie is just a little too long for me.

30:33Bill Simmons:From about minute 35 to minute 70, I could have done 20 minutes.

30:40Chris Ryan:You get to Cuba and you're like, man, we still got 40 minutes. Yeah, it's a weirdly structured movie. The actual mission of the movie does not get introduced until 45 minutes in, which is quite... It's atypical for Bond movies.

30:53Bill Simmons:Yeah, we could have zoomed in a little bit. Our guy Roger Ebert, three stars. The first Bond film that is self-aware, that has lost its innocence and the simplicity of its worldview.

31:06Sean Fennessey:I mean, this is Zenia, man. Raj wanted to get squeezed out. This is on the top of Raj, right?

31:12Bill Simmons:It has some understanding of the absurdity and sadness of its hero.

31:16Chris Ryan:On the top of Raj.

31:19Sean Fennessey:you're going to hell for that just picture that put him in one of those general outfits

31:26Bill Simmons:he actually the review wasn't as horny as I thought it was going to be about the Bond girls

31:31Sean Fennessey:but you know he said

31:34Bill Simmons:all the later Bonds suffer from the reality that no one else will ever really replace Sean Connery I had a good enough time I guess although I never really got involved I was shaken but not stirred banger fucking rosh. Banger closer. I wish we still wrote like that. So glad we get to keep him alive on the pod every week. Fucking bangers. Just an honor. I would shake him in that sturd. He's like, Bang. Sense, yes, yes. No edits. I'll have a Schlitz. So good. All right, we're going to take a break and then we'll do most rewatchable scenes. This episode is brought to you by TaxAct. Like an expert coach, TaxAct offers step-by-step guidance and guaranteed accuracy when filing taxes.

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33:14Sean Fennessey:Yep. we gotta put some context around bungee jumping 1996 that's 1985 i don't know if i'd ever i don't

33:23Bill Simmons:know if i'd ever seen a bungee jump before i feel like it's about to be apex mountain for bungee

33:28Sean Fennessey:jumping though right like they were starting to introduce it in theme parks where you do like mini versions of it at action park and then it became in the 90s you would start to see people

33:37Bill Simmons:being like i'm going to the craziest bridge in the world mtv started showing like hardcore action

33:43Chris Ryan:Yeah, there's also like, I feel like it's a trope in action movies of this time period for the main character to really A, enjoy it and B, the Bodhi move of like, you think we're just having a regular conversation and then I just leap off the building. And it's like, oh no. And it's like, he's jumping.

34:00Sean Fennessey:Also like right at the advent of the X Games and skating and that whole world.

34:04Bill Simmons:Yeah, sports. So we have just an awesome bungee jump that's filmed really well with some wall. You're like, where the fuck is this? He lands. He upside down punches the guy taking a shit. Pretty good. Pretty good move. I'd probably wait for the flush before I attack the guy.

34:23Sean Fennessey:Immediately, though, he's like, sorry, forgot to knock. You know, immediately with a bond line.

34:28Bill Simmons:Gets away from somewhere between 30 and 100 Russians, all in a small space, and then does an outrageous motorcycle plane jump, all in about eight minutes. Yeah. I have some thoughts on that. We can do the pick and nits now of the freestyle jump into the plane, catching it, being able to get in and then turning the plane up.

34:49Chris Ryan:My favorite part of this whole sequence is it seems like Trevathian was able to get to the same point without having to bungee jump and dive into a toilet. Yeah.

34:58Sean Fennessey:I mean, I was thinking about making my flex category, the Dan Campbell scale for Holy shit. Are they really going for this right now? which is him like jumping off the ledge and catching the plane.

35:10Chris Ryan:That's the exact same thing. Where I'm like motorcycle jumping. Yeah. What was the idea here? I was like 19, they're going for it? Yeah.

35:19Sean Fennessey:There's a few of these in this movie where even by Bond standards, I'm like, for real, dude? Yeah, right.

35:23Chris Ryan:But clearly Tom Cruise saw this and was like, I'll base the next 30 years of my life on this. Don't you kind of think, just from a stunt perspective, I know he didn't actually do that, obviously, but from the character doing a stunt in a movie, That is a crazier stunt than anything Ethan Hunt has ever done. I think so. I think it's cooler than hanging on the plane. You know, hanging on a biplane for 20 minutes. It's remarkable. Eight Mission Impossibles, and I don't think there's a stunt cooler than that.

35:49Sean Fennessey:Because there's no reality to it. It will break your brain trying to imagine.

35:55Chris Ryan:But it doesn't look that fake.

35:56Sean Fennessey:No, it's pretty good.

35:57Bill Simmons:I believed it watched that. Bungie Jump was 722 feet, which was a record when they did it. Nobody had ever done that before. was filmed in the Contra Dam in Switzerland. And then that second stunt was awesome too. Then he's like trying to get the joystick. Oh, I got it. I'm out. Really good. Second scene, the car chase. We have an Aston Martin DBS against a Ferrari F355. Old versus new. Like a little LeBron versus Victor Wembedyama at the All-Star game. Any thoughts on which one of those would you rather drive? The Ferrari's toasting the Aston Martin because it's an older car. It's a race car.

36:34Bill Simmons:There's no chance. He's also, is he on a date? Like, what's going on? Sort of a date?

36:40Chris Ryan:I think that's his therapist or something. No, it's Moneypenny. No, it's not. Isn't it? No, it's a different woman. No, it's not Moneypenny.

36:48Sean Fennessey:She's like HR or something.

36:49Chris Ryan:It's not Moneypenny? No, it's like, I looked it up. It's like the woman who's supposed to, like, clear him psychologically to work. I thought it was like his therapist. One Moneypenny scene in the home.

36:57Sean Fennessey:That's so confusing. Because she kind of looks like she does.

36:59Bill Simmons:She ends up having sex with her on a cliff. So I don't know how the session went. I don't know if that's, you have to pay extra.

37:04Sean Fennessey:It's not his therapist.

37:05Bill Simmons:I think it's like his work assigned therapist or something.

37:09Chris Ryan:It is. She's sent to do like a wellness check on him or like a mental background check. I thought it was more like HR

37:13Sean Fennessey:to make sure you weren't breaking the rules kind of thing.

37:16Bill Simmons:James, you're incorrigible.

37:19Chris Ryan:Serena Gordon is Caroline, an MI6 psychological and psychiatric evaluator whom Bond seduces at the beginning of the film. Wow.

37:27Bill Simmons:Yeah. Great. Probably an HR violation. Yeah, Bond was an HR problem. bond was a problem like hr's like is it another bond thing fuck we can't insure him i knew we should have hired that assistant um there's a baccarat scene and we've talked about this but have you are you a baccarat guy have you ever played we do this every time i have it's the one card game i have no idea what's going on no it seems great it seems super simple yep it's

37:57Chris Ryan:is it blackjack and poker but also it has a shoe something fantasy is going to take on when he

38:01Bill Simmons:turns 50 he's like i've just become a big i can see you becoming a major pie gal guy i've got a

38:06Sean Fennessey:wealth goal and when i cross the wealth goal i'll start playing baccarat that's my that's my life

38:11Chris Ryan:plan yeah is it pie guy then baccarat or is it or is it reversed pie's supposed to be like the

38:15Sean Fennessey:thing you can play all night right i got it's great because it's just a hangout and drink game it's a game you can just put a hundred dollars on the table and play as long as you don't get killed by a dealer um i think baccarat's kind of the opposite right it's like sit down with 50k um back rat's like

38:29Bill Simmons:you're sitting down with two of Jerry Buss's sons and and like

38:34Sean Fennessey:Toby McGuire I've never played back rat I don't know how to play

38:38Chris Ryan:it is really funny watching them play too because I'm like are you trying to get 21 but you're drawing another card and it's like are you trying to get three of a card like I can't tell what's going on

38:46Bill Simmons:he loses the first hand and wins the second one and I have no idea what happened he hustles her a little bit

38:50Sean Fennessey:like why did that hand win yeah they're like five and six and you're like oh well six is higher than five so that's obviously he's the winner Have you ever aggressively gambled against a woman?

39:02Bill Simmons:So that would just be poker?

39:04Sean Fennessey:You know, any card game like this.

39:05Bill Simmons:No. You? No.

39:10Chris Ryan:I really only gamble with Zach playing blackjack and get nuked playing.

39:14Bill Simmons:How about with a very, very attractive woman throwing 107 miles an hour who has a long cigarette holder thing? What are those called, CR? I don't know. Yeah, I haven't done that.

39:26Sean Fennessey:I think it's cigarette holder. When I was in New York, I played in a card game with a bunch of friends who worked at magazines. And there was one woman who played in the game who worked at one of the magazines. But she was also a rising poker semi-pro. And she was very visible on the World Series of Poker a few years in a row. And she was a young, attractive woman. And, you know, I would sit in like a guy's apartment with two poker tables set up. And it was like 13 guys and this woman. And she just annihilated every guy. Now, she was a better poker player, but it was the classic thing of just like, she just lulled you to sleep by gentle flirting with you anytime you were in a hand together.

40:04Sean Fennessey:And you were like, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. You know my first name? Yeah.

40:08Bill Simmons:I was like, where in Long Island are you from? I mean, it worked. It really worked.

40:12Chris Ryan:You were Blake Goldeneye?

40:13Bill Simmons:Yeah.

40:14Chris Ryan:I love that game.

40:16Bill Simmons:I hope the third is your real talent. She says that to James at one point.

40:22Sean Fennessey:Real.

40:23Bill Simmons:Real talent.

40:24Sean Fennessey:So she's Dutch? and she's doing Georgian.

40:28Chris Ryan:And she's doing Georgian. Georgian separatist, I guess.

40:32Bill Simmons:Do we want to do this now? Accent corner? I had the Kevin Costner Award for worst accent. The nominees are Fomke Jansen trying to pretend she's Russian when she's Dutch. Alan Cumming as Boris? No, I think he's got like an English accent. It's terrible, but I love it.

40:50Chris Ryan:Yeah, he's going for it. So what would you pick? I'm invincible. I think Meany Driver's Russian is pretty bad from this stage. Oh, that's a good one.

41:00Bill Simmons:I'll give it with her, too. So, right after they finish Baccarat, James hits the same game parlay of shaken, not stirred, Bond, James Bond. He just fucking bangs both of them out. Plus 260 on Fando. He's just like, fuck it, I'm banging this.

41:16Sean Fennessey:And he's just like, I fucking Zinnia on the top. And he's like, I'm doing the classic shit to you right now.

41:21Bill Simmons:I'm just playing all the hits. Great scene.

41:23Sean Fennessey:So good.

41:24Bill Simmons:This is a small scene for Rewatchable, but I really love when James is flirting with Moneypenny. And she's here for it. And it ends with, what's the penalty? And she goes, someday you'll have to make good on your innuendos. And then they go into the office. I'm like, 1995 ruled. It's amazing.

41:47Bill Simmons:So good. Moneypenny looks great in this movie.

41:50Chris Ryan:I'm trying to imagine what your version of this would be. You're going to be like, where do you have me on your trade value list? Is it higher or lower than Sean Kemp? What was Moneypenny's job? She was like the administrative. She ran the office. She sure did. She's an secretary.

42:09Bill Simmons:It's such a funny time for movies because Disclosure comes out the same year. And it's like everybody is aware of sexual harassment. And maybe things in the workplace should change. but then the movies are like let's be a little dangerous with it too and now when you watch it 30 years later it's hilarious like he would never he'd be afraid to be in an elevator with her for two seconds yeah yeah

42:31Sean Fennessey:he doesn't really seek consent James Bond it's not one of his things

42:35Bill Simmons:I want to watch season 3 of Tell Me Lies with James Bond and Moneypenny they're like oh my god Natalia almost gets blown up seven times if that is a rewatchable when GoldenEye gets going yeah Yeah, keeps getting out of... How does she... She's like a slow motion jump under the desk.

42:53Sean Fennessey:So the idea there is get under the staircase. So even if the entire building collapses, you'll still survive because you're under a staircase. I had some questions. Yeah. Curious.

43:02Chris Ryan:Then she gets out of a Siberian location just by... Walking? No, like sled dogs. Oh, yeah. But gets to St. Petersburg where she can go to an internet cafe. Next scene, Steam Room Sex Fight. Yep.

43:15Bill Simmons:Shout out to Eastern Promises. Interesting porn search for any of the young kids out there.

43:19Sean Fennessey:Yeah. That's sort of what it's like when you're watching Game of Thrones, right? Right.

43:28Great.

43:28Bill Simmons:She tries her leg crush move. Good wrestling finisher.

43:33Chris Ryan:Oh, yeah.

43:34Bill Simmons:Yeah. Yeah. I'm surprised the Vince McMahon diva Zara, they didn't have somebody trying to do the Zenya Anatov move. Yeah.

43:40Chris Ryan:The legs of the Janice group. Zenya Anatov.

43:45Bill Simmons:Sean Bean villain reveal. Some good Sean Bean. Enjoy that scene. It turns out he's 06. Trust, an ancient concept.

43:53Sean Fennessey:It's actually reasonable to expect that he would want to do the Bond villain thing where he explains the whole plot because it's more interesting to reveal to Bond that their connection is bigger. It's more complicated. They have history. Instead of just, I'm an evil villain and I'm after world domination, which gets a little boring in some of the Bond movies.

44:12Chris Ryan:He says Bond's parents died in a mountain climbing accident. He does. Good lore there. Tough one. Does that get revised in Skyfall or is that like... I don't believe so. Okay. He said an orphanage in Skyfall, but it's like an orphanage that breeds special agents?

44:29Sean Fennessey:Yeah, but it's only for kids whose parents have died in climbing accidents. It's the climbing orphanage.

44:35Bill Simmons:Do you think it was like an avalanche or one of them slipped and the other tried to save them and they both died?

44:40Sean Fennessey:Yeah, that's so funny about that. Just go with Plane Crash. I re-watched the next two Martin Campbell movies because Martin Campbell fucking rocks and we can talk about him. But the next one is Mask of Zorro. And then the one after that is Vertical Limit. Yeah. Which opens, the first scene in Vertical Limit is a father of a daughter and a son dying in a climbing accident. So it's like, was he trying to call back to Goldeneye?

45:02Chris Ryan:If Vertical Limit had been more like Hamnet, where it's like at the very end, when it's like, I'm hanging on. Somebody take care of our son. Jimmy. and then like

45:18Bill Simmons:next scene is my most rewatchable the tank chase complete with a Perrier crash yes this scene is just fucking awesome it is the most rewatchable scene

45:27Chris Ryan:I just can't believe how awesome it is another Dan Campbell like when he sees the tank you're like he's getting in that tank yeah

45:32Bill Simmons:it's a great 90s device of you just see the tank or like earlier when they're on the car chase and you see the bicyclists going uphill I'm like, okay. Like, they did a good job of planting seeds.

45:43Sean Fennessey:Yeah. My favorite shot in that whole sequence is when, you know, Bond's got his head out of the tank, and he's about to crash into the building, and he's like, whoop, and he pops down, and somehow nothing falls on him.

45:54Bill Simmons:So I did some research on this. It's very hard for tanks to just move at a speed like this right away. It takes like a mile for them to get to whatever. You call Hegseth? I think the turns are tough. Yeah, Hegseth was telling me about it. Hard to do the 90-degree turns.

46:10Sean Fennessey:Another tank call? Sure, Bill.

46:12Bill Simmons:I like that they have these cuts to Bond. It's just so unrealistic. He's driving. We don't know how he's driving the tank. Is there a gas pedal? Tanks usually take more than one person to drive. He's just doing this around the gun part. Just running through the city, taking out buildings. He's kind of driving it like a boat.

46:29Chris Ryan:It's just awesome when he has complete operational knowledge of any other country's technologies.

46:36Bill Simmons:Russia, it's just exactly like the way we do it. What part of secret agent class was that? When they're like, hey, there might be a time when you have to drive a Russian tank.

46:43Sean Fennessey:It's tank week.

46:47Bill Simmons:Xenia Adantop dies. This is a great death.

46:50Sean Fennessey:So funny.

46:51Bill Simmons:This time, Mr. Bond, the pleasure will be all mine. It's not. And then he gets off the Bond joke, though, she always did enjoy a good squeeze. That was the Austin Powers DNA.

47:03Sean Fennessey:Yes.

47:03Bill Simmons:Because he has a couple of those groaners in this. that Austin Powers, Mike Myers must have been like, we got to squeeze those in.

47:08Sean Fennessey:With the cutaway to her, like, her whole body strapped to that V-shaped tree, which is such a funny image. It's really, it's probably the goofiest moment in the movie.

47:17Bill Simmons:The pen scene. Alan Cummings flipping the pen, blows up. And then Bond versus Bean at the end. Good ladder fight. Cummings gets frozen to death. I wrote down, it looks like they're fighting in a Fortnite set. Yeah. He's going in these secret doors. he's going you play fortnite i'm sure i'm sure fortnite some people are inspired by stuff some people are going to get this but yeah he's hanging at one point wow he's going around it's death defying you could jump you don't want to fall to your death yeah are you fortnite influencing right now i was a little bit i like that he's like talking about it like it's a velvet underground

47:53Chris Ryan:bootleg he's like some people may not get this but fortnite's a game yeah that's good uh so we

47:58Bill Simmons:off Tank for Rewatchable or would you go Bungie Jump?

48:02Sean Fennessey:I would go Tank just because it's the most like holy shit how did they even do this scene. I do want to add a quick note for a small scene that I really like which is when Bond meets Jack Wade, Joe Don Baker, the CIA agent and their chemistry and driving the tiny car together. I like that scene a lot too.

48:18Bill Simmons:What do you have for most Rewatchable?

48:19Chris Ryan:Opening 12 minutes I think are pretty elite. Everything leading up to the Bond song is as entertaining as it gets.

48:26Bill Simmons:It's a golden eye!

48:30Chris Ryan:Really disrespected Tina Turner. Portina. Written by Edge and Bono.

48:35Bill Simmons:Yeah. Living next door to Tina Turner in France went over and they just concocted this song and they're like, you have it. That should have been her first sign.

48:43Sean Fennessey:And you can tell. We don't want this. She is just singing in Bono's register. And that's why the song doesn't work. Because they're not the same singer.

48:50Bill Simmons:There's really not a melody to the song either. We had such good music. 1994 and 1995 were probably the peak of modern music. The people involved in the song

48:58Chris Ryan:make great music. Nelly Hooper produced it.

49:01Bill Simmons:I don't understand how they missed on this. Yeah.

49:03Sean Fennessey:It's just, it's the wrong vocalist with the way that the song is written.

49:07Bill Simmons:What's the most 1995 thing about this movie? I have four nominees, but what do you have?

49:12Chris Ryan:I had fall of the Soviet Union into the rise of a corrupt Russia or needing an internet cafe. Oh.

49:19Sean Fennessey:I had the same thing and I also just, those PCs, just like looking at those computers.

49:23Bill Simmons:Yeah. Yeah, I had the computer hacking and the computers. I had harmless sexual tension at work felt very 1995 Tina Turner doing a theme song written by Bono in The Edge has to be in the 90s somewhere but my number one is the BMW Z3 because that's a huge part of this movie they basically held the car for six months to debut it in GoldenEye

49:48Chris Ryan:it's the first German car

49:49Bill Simmons:the first not English car in the series right? you want my take on this now? never liked them

49:57Sean Fennessey:the Z3 yeah

49:58Bill Simmons:you drove a Z I always thought they were corny I just thought they were trying too hard to be like Alfa Romeo it's like stick to your guns BMW make the best cars I wonder if you would have an amazing car pod you think I should

50:10Chris Ryan:and just have just car hot takes take a spin with Bill Simmons and it's just you being like let's talk about let's talk about Aston Martins yeah or Alfa Romeo

50:17Sean Fennessey:it's called lane zagging and it's just

50:20Bill Simmons:you know unexpected car takes it's not a cool car it's the kind of car like an English secret agent.

50:25Chris Ryan:Driving in the car with Khan, you know?

50:31Bill Simmons:You driving Khan Caniple? I wouldn't feel comfortable driving Khan around in the BMW Z3.

50:36Sean Fennessey:You think Khan Caniple has a chance at Bond in the future? It's very possible. Did you catch this whole Occupy? I'm well aware, yeah. Well, I heard it slip on a previous pod and I was like, what happened there? Yeah.

50:46Bill Simmons:He was a guest on a podcast to give him a ride. But you don't drive us anywhere. You never ask. You did. You used to.

50:53Sean Fennessey:if you showed up in an Uber

50:54Bill Simmons:I would have been like I'll give you a ride back

50:56Sean Fennessey:in the like 13 through 17 days I feel like frequently you were like come on I'll drive you and now you're like eh you show up in a car like how am I gonna drive you

51:05Bill Simmons:when you have a car

51:05Sean Fennessey:back then too you were like you were really into driving us around I remember this well

51:10Bill Simmons:yeah okay

51:12Sean Fennessey:the BMW Z3 is my answer

51:14Bill Simmons:is Khan the new CR? can Khan do impressions? double K what's age the best? killing someone with your legs during sex as a female villain move. Still spectacular 31 years later. I don't know who thought of it. Give them an honorary Oscar.

51:31Sean Fennessey:What do you think about the fact that she gets off from that?

51:35Chris Ryan:I was going to say, one of the things that age the best is that Famke Jansen's major acting note in this is I'm just going to cum every five minutes no matter what. I'm playing cards. Fully clothed.

51:48Sean Fennessey:Waltz dressed.

51:49Chris Ryan:She kind of has an orgasm when she gets her back broken against the trees. She's like, oh, yes! The final one!

51:59Bill Simmons:She's a multi-orgasmic Bond villain. Russian villains, he's the best. I have 1990s Joe Don Baker just coming in hot in different movies at a great stage in his career. I mean, this is just crazy, though. Joe Don Baker was the villain

52:14Sean Fennessey:in the previous Bond movie.

52:15Bill Simmons:I know.

52:16Sean Fennessey:And then he's the CIA guy in this movie. They do this sometimes.

52:19Chris Ryan:I feel like they have like oh let's just bring him back I don't have a problem with it I love Joe Dunn Baker so the reason it's not Felix is because Felix loses a leg in the previous is it in License to Kill?

52:30Sean Fennessey:yes

52:30Chris Ryan:the last Dalton movie

52:31Sean Fennessey:or is it Living Daylights?

52:33Bill Simmons:no that's why he got a leg severed you're right but then he comes back we mentioned the Austin Powers thing and then for what's age the best the integrated sponsors were BMW which we mentioned but then IBM ThinkPad which launched in 92 This was the 95 model. This was the first computer I ever had, and I've had Thinkpads ever since. But this movie does integrations. Perrier, BMW. But they're actually organic. You don't feel like they're ramming them down your throat. They actually factor in the plots, which I appreciated. Oh, I had Minnie Driver just being in this movie randomly. And then the poster's really good.

53:13Bill Simmons:The poster's awesome. It's just a good Bond poster.

53:16Sean Fennessey:What'd you have? I'm Pierce Brosnan, I think. He was well-received. Not overwhelmingly received, but obviously this movie is a big hit. I don't think that the next three movies are all that good, but I do think he's a very good Bond because he kind of splits the difference. And I have a very overextended Simmons-esque NBA center metaphor for you. Let's hear it. For the Bonds.

53:38Bill Simmons:I like it.

53:38Sean Fennessey:Connery, obviously Bill Russell. Lazenby is Wilt. Kind of got one chip. Moore is Samson. Dalton is Patrick Ewing. Clearly, Brosnan is Shaq. Daniel Craig is Wemby. Where can we go next?

53:58Bill Simmons:That's really good. Trying to think of who would be. Kareem just left out. Yeah, I don't...

54:04Sean Fennessey:No one's really done that. No one's really had Bond for 25 years. Would you accept Daniel Craig as Embiid

54:12Chris Ryan:because that character is often defined by his physical frailty? Here's the problem.

54:18Sean Fennessey:Embiid has won nothing.

54:19Chris Ryan:And doesn't play. Okay. Other than that, I think you're right on. But like Skyfall, all those movies are like, oh, you're getting old. You're addicted to drugs. You're an alcoholic and a womanizer. Embiid's none of those things, but he's frail. But then we could be like, could Callum Turner be Wemby?

54:36Bill Simmons:Couldn't Daniel Craig be Jokic? It's like an atypical physical gifs for the part, but just gets the job done and is convinced. I like that. Could be. I like that.

54:47Sean Fennessey:So then Callum Turner has to be, will he be the tallest Bond? Do I know who Callum Turner is?

54:54Chris Ryan:Did you watch that Masters of the Air movie at all? The show that was on Apple?

54:59Sean Fennessey:He was in The Boys in the Boat. Did you see that?

55:02Chris Ryan:He's dating Dua Lipa?

55:03Sean Fennessey:Yeah. I think they're engaged. Oh, she's incredible. Yeah. That's a great job by him. Is he Bond? People believe he's, I mean, we could do like who should be Bond. There's a whole other.

55:11Chris Ryan:But that's not official, right? No, but it's strongly rumored. And now he's like, They're getting chased all over Paris by paparazzi. It's kind of... I feel like it's turning up. Does Dua do the Bond song, or is she in the movie? It's a no-brainer. Which would you rather? Both?

55:26Sean Fennessey:Does she play a Bond girl? I think it's the song. Just the song. In the movie is a little too tongue-in-cheek for me. She's a home run.

55:31Bill Simmons:They would never go... She's the home run. Great at everything. Good interviewer. I like everything she does. Big book reader.

55:38Sean Fennessey:She has a book podcast.

55:39Bill Simmons:Yeah. She's great. they'd never cross over and go outside the box right do they have like a prototype for Bond like they would never do Daniel Kaluuya he was the one there was

55:51Chris Ryan:that was before No Time to Die came back I think it was more like what could we do

55:57Sean Fennessey:I think him and Dev Patel were the only times where it was like this would have been interesting if they tried this but there's too much they talked about if they went American they talked about Idris Elba

56:06Chris Ryan:so long that he got

56:07Bill Simmons:too old for the part it would be funny if they did American though and the Brits all got mad and it's like, now you fucking assholes know how we feel when you take all of our American parts. That's some jerks. You're still mad about this.

56:19Chris Ryan:Would you have Austin Butler do a British accent though or would you have him be like the American guy? No, I think Bond

56:23Bill Simmons:has to be English, which goes back to the Brosnan conversation. I don't think he was the best Bond, but if AI spat out what Bond would be, he would spit out Pierce Brosnan.

56:34Sean Fennessey:He's like AI Bond. And like you said, it felt like even in 86, they knew. They were just like, this guy's born to be, even though he's Irish, she's born to be Bond. But he was 42 when he got the part. Yeah. Which is, I think, by far the oldest of any actor. And he did four movies or three? He did four. Four, yeah.

56:47Bill Simmons:Because some of the people we'll talk about with casting what-ifs, but one in particular was Hugh Grant had some momentum. And I just don't think he could have been Bond. I don't see it. I think he knew it.

56:58Sean Fennessey:Never would have worked. The more interesting one... I think he would have ruined it. You want to wait for casting what-ifs? We can do it. I mean, the most interesting one is Liam Neeson.

57:05Bill Simmons:Yeah.

57:05Sean Fennessey:That would have been different, but it would have been closer, was, which was like burlier, tougher, bigger, you know, kind of like a, somebody who needs to be physical in the part in a way that Bond is not historically.

57:19Chris Ryan:And carrying a lot of pain around. Like, he would have to have like a dramatic take on Bond.

57:24Bill Simmons:Plus, famously endowed, Liam Neeson.

57:26Chris Ryan:It's true.

57:28Sean Fennessey:It's true. You think he would have been the first Bond to whip it out?

57:30Chris Ryan:I just think that he would have been full frontal. Yeah.

57:33Sean Fennessey:I think we would have fit the part. That would be a good way to end a Bond movie like the end of Boogie Nights.

57:42Bill Simmons:he's just saying he's a big you have a license to kill these are the living daylights I have the biggest gun do you have any what's age the best

57:52Chris Ryan:I mean it's just it never fails for me when you're trying to kill the hero of the movie in the most elaborate ornate time consuming way possible instead of just shooting him in the head you also have to give him a speech Bond should have died nine times in this movie but they're like you don't understand Mr. Bond is that I'm going to tell you all about the fall of Russia.

58:12Sean Fennessey:There's one very bad version of it in this movie that is when they're trying to crack Natalia's encryption code near the end and Boris is doing the pen thing and Bond is just standing there and it's like just shoot him in the head. It is the Scott Evil thing where it's like why do you even need Bond to be here? Just kill him and get it over with. He's just watching.

58:31Chris Ryan:Wait, we gotta get the other we gotta get the girl or we gotta get Bond to come. The other which is the best I have. I hadn't noticed this before when I watched it, but when they blow up the dam, the first action sequence and he blows the whole thing up and he's flying away, he does like a fucking victory lap. Like he's flying away. He barely gets away from the explosion. And he's like, you know what? I'm going back to see him. Give him one of these. It's a flyby. It's a flyby. It's great.

58:59Bill Simmons:Great shot Gordo award. Most cinematic has to be the opening scene, right? Yeah, the dam. The wall.

59:04Chris Ryan:The plane hitting the dam.

59:05Bill Simmons:Chess Rockwell Brocklanders award. Best character name. You could argue it might be the Xenia Onatop Award. Yeah, I think we should actually change it. I don't understand how they even came up with that. It's brilliant. It's sexual, but then you actually look at it, and it's like not sexual, but it feels super sexual. It's like the perfect balance of it.

59:25Chris Ryan:Do you think the name came before her sexual proclivity for squeezing men?

59:30Sean Fennessey:She comes from a long line of Onatops. It's true. Those Georgian warriors. My mother taught me Onatops. My grandmother taught her. Yeah. I think Boris Grushenko is a very good Russian hacker name, too. It's like if you had to come up with a Russian hacker name, you couldn't do better than that.

59:44Bill Simmons:Hans Gruber scale, villain ranking. We don't get to give this out very often. I had Xenia as a 9.5 out of 10. Gruber's a 10. 006 is Gruber's a 10. 006, a.k.a. Sean Bean. Probably like a 7.5, 8. I think he starts really hot and heavy and then hits a rookie wall.

1:00:01Sean Fennessey:Yeah. A little shaky on his plan. A little shaky on his.

1:00:06Chris Ryan:Well, he's like Gruber. It's like for all of the talk about revenge and setting the political landscape right, he really just wants money.

1:00:13Bill Simmons:He wants money, yeah.

1:00:14Chris Ryan:CR's Flex. This is really exciting for me. The Rick Cicchetti Guard Meat Award for the most memorable death by a security guard or other bystander whom the movie treats as inconsequential, but probably had a spouse and kids who love him, and it's got to go to the train driver, who... Trevithy is like, full speed ahead as a tank is looking at him. And if the tank projectile doesn't kill him, the ensuing inferno doesn't kill him, then he flies like full speed ahead into a tank in a tunnel. Can you imagine that guy just being like, I just wanted a good job with good hours. Presumably he's got a pension, right?

1:00:56Chris Ryan:Sure. In Russia, those things really worked out. But they don't show that guy jump out. Igor's gone. He crashed into a tank. Yeah, James Bond killed him. That train is also going like 90 miles per hour and people are easily jumping off of it. Yeah.

1:01:10Bill Simmons:We'll take one more break and then we have some more categories.

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1:02:39Bill Simmons:Can you explain it in a sentence? Yeah.

1:02:44Sean Fennessey:A former MI6 agent is seeking revenge on the nation of England and attempting to become extraordinarily wealthy by gaining control of a powerful nation destroying satellite. Called Goldeneye. Is that?

1:03:00Chris Ryan:Did I miss anything?

1:03:02Sean Fennessey:There's a lot of confusing stuff

1:03:03Chris Ryan:where there's like, is there two golden eyes?

1:03:06Sean Fennessey:I thought there were. There definitively are two satellites.

1:03:10Bill Simmons:But if golden eye was this important, wouldn't they protect it better? But that's the problem with this end of the Soviet Union. They said that up at the Death Star as well.

1:03:17Sean Fennessey:We know how that ended. Maybe I'm just dumb. I think I do find all James Bond plot mechanics a little dumb.

1:03:26Chris Ryan:It's strange that they, I almost wonder whether they make them overly complicated so that they don't ever have to like be thoroughly interrogated. Like we go into James Bond movies and even the Craig ones, you're like, what?

1:03:39Sean Fennessey:I totally feel that way in the Craig ones, and I love those movies, but I find most of them to be a little incoherent narratively.

1:03:45Bill Simmons:It's almost like how your iPhone overheats when it gets too hot and just like phases down.

1:03:50Chris Ryan:This is what happens when you have like nine writers, four producers who are all like, I'm actually the person who's in charge.

1:03:55Sean Fennessey:It doesn't really matter though because one of the great things, I have learned this learning to love the series over the years they are style over substance that is the point so if you know that what you really are there for is shaken not stirred and zenya on a top and big explosions then just roll with it it's not trying to be anything different from that

1:04:15Bill Simmons:you just described me I could really try to pay attention and try to thread these needles or I could just turn my brain off and get to the next thing

1:04:24Sean Fennessey:I think that's why they're fun in that 9 hour chunks too like you said when you were a kid.

1:04:29Chris Ryan:It's almost better when you're like oh is this Never Say Never or Diamonds Are Forever and you're like oh this doesn't really matter.

1:04:35Bill Simmons:What's age the worst? We mentioned the Tina Turner theme song. Q calls Bond a misogynistic dinosaur. I don't know, man. I'm trying to root for him here. Need a hero for two hours. Wow. They need a character assassination on Bond. This is kind of my guy. I'm trying to buy into him saving the world. You're fucking taking shots at him. Maybe a little better pregame speech. Sure. I don't know if Rabel threw that at Drake May before the Super Bowl, but it makes more sense if he did.

1:05:04Chris Ryan:Did you see the mic'd up for the Super Bowl with Barrymore and Williams being like, This isn't on us. Like, indicating it was on Drake.

1:05:12Sean Fennessey:Damn.

1:05:12Bill Simmons:We're not talking about that.

1:05:13Chris Ryan:Okay.

1:05:14Sean Fennessey:I mean, they were right.

1:05:16Bill Simmons:I thought Pats D played very well. I saw the mic'd up when Drake May got hit near the end of the game and landed on his shoulder and couldn't get up and Vrabel went to help him and realized he couldn't pull him up with his right shoulder because his right shoulder is probably broken and kind of helped him with his shoulder pads. I saw that one. Did you see that one, Craig? That was like Friday. That wasn't great. That's like he was severely injured. He did look very injured in that helmet. At the end of the game.

1:05:38Sean Fennessey:Really? Jerry Seinfeld, that's a shame energy from over here.

1:05:42Bill Simmons:What's age the worst? I thought the gadget scene could have been more fun. It's an old cue

1:05:47Chris Ryan:and it's... It's just lukewarm. They just didn't have a lot of juice in those gadgets. It was like, look at my leg cast that shoots a missile. It's like, when the fuck am I ever going to wear a leg cast? You know what I was like?

1:05:58Sean Fennessey:Well, Drake May needs one now.

1:06:00Chris Ryan:James Bond rolling around being like, don't mind my broken leg. I'm still on the job. You think Drake should pivot to Bond?

1:06:05Sean Fennessey:Would that be a better career move for him?

1:06:07Bill Simmons:I don't know if he has the personality. My last one was, I thought the score and the soundtrack just sucked.

1:06:14Chris Ryan:Dude, thank you. So the most egregious offense in the history of Bond movies might very well be the music that's playing as Bond and the girl are in the Aston Martin and Zenni as in the Ferrari. It's like Super Mario Brothers pause music. It's terrible. Boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop. And you're like, this is the fucking coolest guy in the world, the hottest woman in the world, and two of the best cars in the world. And we got fucking Luigi jumping around in the background. Like, what is happening?

1:06:42Sean Fennessey:You really got caught with that one.

1:06:43Bill Simmons:He really enjoyed that. Well, I was thinking like two years later, The Saint came out, which we already did on Rewatchables. And one of the great things about The Saint, it's the same kind of thing. They're in all these locations. The music and the sound and the score and they're tapping into all that music from the orb and like all that shit. I have one more. One more or what? What Sage of the War.

1:07:08Sean Fennessey:passwords for satellites that can blow up the world having passwords like chair

1:07:12Bill Simmons:not even like$3 signs at the end those are the early days of passwords

1:07:18Sean Fennessey:what was the first password you ever used

1:07:20Chris Ryan:it was probably like I don't know ghostfeest killer is the best it was literally like Iverson

1:07:27Bill Simmons:what was your first email address

1:07:30Chris Ryan:well I had like a paragraph long .edu email address for a while Oh, that wasn't your first personal one then? And then my first one was Hotmail. Cryin33 at hotmail.com. What was yours, Sean?

1:07:42Sean Fennessey:I'm dead serious. I think it was like Reservoir Dog 327. Dead serious. What was the server?

1:07:50Chris Ryan:This would be a good podcast. AOL, maybe? It would also be fun if we could go back into those email accounts and see what's been happening in there. What was your first email? If you had an AOL instant messenger account, Did you need an email for that? You had to have a username. You had to like have a chat name. Yeah, I had that. My first email was probably Craig Rolbeck at Yahoo. But what was your AOL name? Or were you too old? I don't remember.

1:08:14Bill Simmons:You don't know what it was like.

1:08:15Chris Ryan:Miguel Tejada 445.

1:08:18Bill Simmons:Mark Ellis. My first one was DrLumis22 at AOL.com. Seriously? Yeah, it's so fucking good, man.

1:08:25Sean Fennessey:Yeah, that's why we're all here today.

1:08:27Bill Simmons:Yeah. I watched AOL for 15 years. Staring at a wall. Staring through the wall.

1:08:34Chris Ryan:My other what's aged the worst is the one moment where they try to make it serious and Bond is like wistfully staring at the sea in the Caribbean. And it's just like, give me a break, Doug. You're not mad about any of this. You're not traumatized by this.

1:08:46Sean Fennessey:So it's okay when Michael Mann does it, but it's not okay when James Bond does it.

1:08:49Chris Ryan:If the whole movie is that, if Skyfall, where it's just like, that is what it's like. But he's been like banging ladies and driving cars.

1:08:56Bill Simmons:You just want to hit on people at work and drive a cool car. Stop.

1:08:59Sean Fennessey:Is this the least sex James Bond has in a movie? and the most people he's killed I think

1:09:04Bill Simmons:he takes down Natalia yeah but that's it yeah I guess so one time right pretty chaste no he has sex with

1:09:10Chris Ryan:the therapist with Serena Gordon oh right

1:09:11Bill Simmons:well he also he brings Zenyana top to orgasm just from their steam room fight that's true

1:09:16Chris Ryan:yeah

1:09:19Bill Simmons:we haven't gotten to give this out yet I'm really excited the earn this award for cringy quote that should have been vetted by William Goldman first after that whole action scene when uh when somebody crashes and Bond goes, the things we do for frequent flyer mileage. Which is fucking terrible. Like, back to the workshop. 45 writers in this movie. He had a couple groaners that definitely had Austin Powers DNA. Where you're like, oh, Mike Myers is like, I'm definitely making fun of this. He did. Ruffalo Hand and Rubinic Patridge, overacting word, has to go to Alan Cumming as Boris. Yeah, there's a very funny

1:09:57Chris Ryan:Sean Bean moment on the train where he goes to James like, see you in hell, and then he looks at Ormav, the guy who's got the gun on Bonnie, and he goes like this, like to like indicate that he should kill him, and it's like, all right, Bean, take a couple miles per hour off the head now.

1:10:14Bill Simmons:Sean, you have a flex category.

1:10:16Sean Fennessey:Yeah, I already talked about the Dan Campbell scale, but there is a criteria orgasm here.

1:10:21Bill Simmons:Is there? Oh, I didn't realize.

1:10:24Sean Fennessey:During the opening sequence when Bond is dragging the rack that has all the tanks to make sure he doesn't get shot by any of the Russian soldiers. One of the soldiers accidentally fires on him and then Oromov turns around and shoots him. And that's like pulled right out of the Wild Bunch. That's in the opening scene in the Wild Bunch. It's like an homage to that. That's awesome. Yeah.

1:10:47Chris Ryan:You should start making them up. You should be like, obviously... You'll never know. Obviously Natalia is a reference to Paris, Texas.

1:10:54Sean Fennessey:This is Tarkovsky's Ivan Rublev. You know, we all remember that moment. Yeah. I should do that.

1:11:00Bill Simmons:The Rob Mahoney thing smells like team spirit sucks. Hottest take a word. Just shouting him out. I have one, but I'll go last. Do you have one?

1:11:11Chris Ryan:Judy Dench's take on M predicts the coming advanced analytics revolution. Oh. In 95, she would be right at the cutting edge of getting data and just making database choices. It's much more instinctual before that, you know? and what about her sense of misogyny though well that also is a precursor to like how the workplace would change but I think my real one would be that after watching Bond and Trevathian I think we missed a step by not making a Bond buddy movie along the way and I

1:11:43Bill Simmons:where the buddy dies at the end

1:11:44Chris Ryan:yeah like I think a Bond and Alec movie would have been awesome like a pre one and it's all of their relationship and then GoldenEye is like what happens after.

1:11:54Sean Fennessey:I think part of the reason the movie works is that those two guys actually have chemistry. Yes. And maybe more chemistry than he does with Isabella Skarubko in my opinion. But that's a good one. They never, they've still never really taken a risk like that. They've actually done some, they did audacious stuff with Craig but it still was Bond.

1:12:12Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:12:12Sean Fennessey:They never, and I'm very curious to see if Amazon is like, fuck it, we're trying something totally different.

1:12:17Bill Simmons:What do you have for Adam's take? Do you have one?

1:12:20Sean Fennessey:I think Brosnan would be considered the second best Bond ever if Martin Campbell made all of his movies. And the other three are so poor. Even though the directors are fine, it's like Roger Spottiswood and Michael Apted, like not in Lee Tamahori, but those movies are really, in my opinion, really not good. But Campbell was responsible for two of the seven best, I think maybe seven or eight best Bond movies.

1:12:44Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:12:44Sean Fennessey:And Brosnan loved Campbell and he was, they were like, he was a warrior. There's a great featurette of him directing this movie on the Blu-ray that is like, he screams action so loud. And it's just like, let's go, sharp as a knife! We're going again! Like, really in his New Zealand accent. And he was like, he was the general of James Bond for a few years there. Unfortunately, he didn't get to work with him again.

1:13:10Bill Simmons:Mine is, I put a lot of thought into who I think should have been the best Bond ever after Connery out of all the actors we've had. I landed on Colin Farrell. I think he would have been the best Bond he's got the accent the Irish Connery was Scottish so it's in the vicinity so I think he could have pulled that off I think he could have looked like Bond like everything that we think Bond is in our head thinking of the action stuff there would have been a little Sonny Crockett Miami Vice in there could have had different hairdos for each movie and I just think he would have been really good right in that time when they were casting Daniel Craig but he was having a lot of issues and it wasn't going to happen.

1:13:50Okay, would you trade Miami Vice completely,

1:13:53Sean Fennessey:the movie, for Colin Farrell as Bond for 10 years? No. No way.

1:13:58Chris Ryan:Let me, can I, I'm going to talk to my GM and I'm going to call you back. Phone call, ring, ring. Would you trade Ralph Fiennes' any of his like sort of modern renaissance for him being Bond back then?

1:14:11Sean Fennessey:I wouldn't trade Grand Budapest Hotel. Everything else is on the board. Voldemort, I don't care.

1:14:15Bill Simmons:This is a good idea for a pod. Movie trades. Movie trades. just oh yeah Liam Neeson is too tall for Bond too Liam Neeson's like 6 '4

1:14:25Chris Ryan:it's also an interesting tidbit I think Alan Turner's like 6 '5 or 6 '6 that Natasha Richardson like forbid him from doing it I couldn't tell if it was a joke but it was an interesting little like he claimed that he said that Natasha Richardson his wife at the time didn't want him to do it

1:14:38Sean Fennessey:oh yes that's right

1:14:40Bill Simmons:casting what ifs

1:14:42Sean Fennessey:oh okay

1:14:43Bill Simmons:before before Brosnan Liam Neeson passed First choice was Mel Gibson. Crazy. Hugh Grant was smart enough not to know.

1:14:53Sean Fennessey:Wait, Mel Gibson?

1:14:54Bill Simmons:Conor was pushing for Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson was one of the biggest stars in the world at the time. A little old at the time. I think a little too old Australian.

1:15:01Sean Fennessey:I mean, is he that much older than Brosnan, though? He's got to be in his mid-40s at that point. Yeah, maybe you're right.

1:15:06Chris Ryan:He just looked a little older. This is the other thing is that some guy is like...

1:15:08Bill Simmons:No, I would say he was probably like 39 to 42 range.

1:15:12Sean Fennessey:Yeah, Brosnan was 42. Same age as Brosnan.

1:15:14Bill Simmons:I think Mel Gibson would have been a mistake. And they met with Ralph Fiennes, who... Quiz Show's 94.

1:15:21Sean Fennessey:He could have done it.

1:15:22Bill Simmons:He could have done it.

1:15:22Sean Fennessey:He could have done it. I don't… It would have been different because he's a little bit more intellectual. So, it would have brought a different character to it.

1:15:30Bill Simmons:See the swordsman you want in the Bond world though? He can be, but like, you know, bigger splash and stuff like that. I was going to say,

1:15:36Sean Fennessey:he's done a couple of parts where you're like, that's an old school… But now he's M, so it doesn't matter.

1:15:41Chris Ryan:Mel is two years younger than Brosnan.

1:15:43Bill Simmons:Yeah. Jude Law's three years to… Like, three years later, Talented Mr. Ripley. If that had come out in 94 the same way it did, and Bond is opening, I think he's in there. Was he discussed when they went for Craig? I assume he was. He must have been. I think it was too late at that point. Maybe he was discussed. I think Jude Law in the late 90s would have been really good. They said Paul McGann was the studio's second choice if Brosnan couldn't do it. I don't really have a Paul McGann history.

1:16:10Sean Fennessey:With Nail and I. I mean, he's in that. He's been in a lot of British television. I was reading about him a little bit this morning. He was in Horatio Hornblower, that series it was on.

1:16:19Bill Simmons:And I don't know, this was in the research, but Billy Zabka, they looked at. Nice. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if I didn't. Was Joyce Heiser considered as well? I wasn't positive, I believe that.

1:16:28Chris Ryan:For Zinnia.

1:16:29Bill Simmons:The Sean Bean character was supposed to be older, and Anthony Hopkins and Alan Rickman both turned it down, and then they decided to make him younger. Hopkins was red hot at that point. It's just a different movie. If he's basically like his Bond is his mentor, basically.

1:16:45Chris Ryan:Bardem and Waltz are definitely the most esteemed... and Malick are like the most esteemed actors who have ever played Bond adversaries, correct? More or less?

1:16:56Sean Fennessey:Well, I mean, Robert Shaw. Oh, right. I mean, Robert Shaw was the Ur-Bond villain, and he's amazing. Yeah. And that was right... Different jaws. Paulina Poroskova and Ava Herzegova

1:17:14Bill Simmons:were offered the role of Natalia and both turned it down.

1:17:17Sean Fennessey:Paulina Peretskova would have been my choice over Isabella Skorupko. Can she act though? Can Isabella Skorupko? I kind of liked her. I thought she was delightful. Not really my thing. I read also Elle McPherson. I would have... They were just going through the SI switch issue.

1:17:33Bill Simmons:Literally. Courtney Cox couldn't get this verified. It was on the internets that she allegedly turned down Xenia on the top. Did you have some text out to find out if this was true? I did not. It didn't pass the stink test to me.

1:17:48Chris Ryan:Okay.

1:17:49Bill Simmons:I just don't see Courtney Cox as Xenia. I know it would have infuriated Craig.

1:17:55Sean Fennessey:Courtney Cox? Two thumbs up.

1:17:57Bill Simmons:As Xenia Overtop, though?

1:17:59Sean Fennessey:No.

1:17:59Bill Simmons:That's a stretch. Overtop.

1:18:01Sean Fennessey:On the top. On the top. Overtop is the Americanization of her name. Yeah. That was her character from Overtop. Yeah.

1:18:07Bill Simmons:How do you feel about John Woo being approached as director and turning it down? Boy, it's an amazing what if.

1:18:12Chris Ryan:I mean, he basically gets to do this with Mission Impossible 2.

1:18:15Sean Fennessey:Yeah, but then you see you don't get Broken Arrow, which means maybe you don't get face-off.

1:18:20Bill Simmons:Do we get Broken Arrow in the rewatchables? Why not?

1:18:23Sean Fennessey:I love Broken Arrow.

1:18:25Chris Ryan:Whoa, our girls are that. Samantha Mathis. Yeah. Some really good Slater. Samantha Mathis chasing down a stealth bomber. What a great movie.

1:18:33Bill Simmons:It was also the birth of Travolta just being like, I'm a maniac. Yes. He's a... You watch Nick Cage exposure. He's a... He's a... He's a... He's a... He's a... He's a... He's a...

1:18:43Sean Fennessey:He's a... He's a... He's a... going for it.

1:18:46Bill Simmons:Absolutely amazing. Best that guy. Joe Don Baker and Alan Cumming not eligible, but I think Alan Cumming was that guy when they made the movie and now he's Alan Cumming.

1:18:53Chris Ryan:I have, and please forgive me if I'm brutalizing this name, Cheki Cario as the defense minister. Okay. He's been in tons of stuff.

1:19:00Sean Fennessey:I was wondering if you guys would raise the name Gottfried John, who's a German actor who plays Urimov, the general.

1:19:08Bill Simmons:I have him as my winner. Proof of life. Thought CR was going to take it. I was giving it to you. he shares the prison cell with David Morse I forgot that's right he escapes he's the French guy very unmistakable face yeah I don't think he was eligible for Bond uh Deanne Waiters I think Zedny Overtop sent it too much I had Robbie Coltrane Zukovsky

1:19:31Chris Ryan:I had Minnie Driver oh that's good would you have that if Minnie Driver did not become Minnie Driver

1:19:37Sean Fennessey:probably not but she's pretty foxy in the movie sure terrible singer

1:19:41Chris Ryan:stand by your man

1:19:44Bill Simmons:recasting couch director of city. So I just think Joe Don Baker, I love Joe Don Baker. He shouldn't be in the movie because he was a villain in a previous Bond movie. It's fucking stupid. It's stupid. I don't understand why they did it. Felix Leiter, CIA. Can I offer you Nick Nolte? Oh, that would have been fun. Like kind of doing Jack Cates? Yeah. Tired of this shit. Nick Nolte wins fucking Oscar for Prince of Tides. It's like, Nick, what's next? Listen, we're cutting Nick a check. I don't know if Nick put away a lot of his money. we need you for 20 days it's a great call was Dennis Quaid banging around then so that's after he's not old enough

1:20:16Sean Fennessey:it's after blue chips I love when I just throw a name at you

1:20:20Bill Simmons:you have an immediate rule no it's gotta be like late 40s early 50s with some alcohol what's who is 96 like

1:20:26Sean Fennessey:is that I love or 95 that's I love trouble right yeah it's right after

1:20:30Bill Simmons:another 48 hours like 4 years after that okay no I just think Dennis Quaid is just as good of a suggestion how about if he wasn't old enough he's like a lady man No, shut up. How about Brian Dennehy? Yeah, definitely. That would be good too. Definitely. I was just trying to think of like grizzled, older. What about Dustin Hoffman? Yeah.

1:20:54Bill Simmons:Craig has a flex category.

1:20:56Chris Ryan:Was Olivier not available? I'll defer to you guys on this because I'm sure you've thought about this, but I wanted to build the female sex killer Mount Rushmore. Oh, Jesus Christ. Women kill men during sex. I'm going to buckle up. Xenia on the top. Yeah. Catherine Trammell, Basic Instinct. Gotta be. Syl from Species. And the fourth, I think this is the one that can be open. You have Amy Dunn from Gone Girl? Is there a better fourth?

1:21:23Sean Fennessey:She's got that great on the top scene with Doogie Howser. Yeah, that's incredible stuff.

1:21:27Chris Ryan:Is there anyone I'm missing on this Mount Rushmore? Because I think it's a tidy four. Oh, I personally really like Jeremy Irons' girlfriend in Die Hard with a Vengeance. With the scythe?

1:21:41Bill Simmons:Yep. She's pretty hot. I wish you had prepared me for this. I should have texted you. What did the Google say? Did you Google it at all? It looks like it's really these four.

1:21:51Chris Ryan:Did you Google female killers, sex, Mount Rushmore? Yeah, a little bit. Liz is like, what are you doing?

1:21:58Bill Simmons:Nothing. I think that might be the four.

1:22:01Sean Fennessey:That's very good.

1:22:03Bill Simmons:It's a really good one.

1:22:04Sean Fennessey:Mia Goth in the Pearl X movies? Oh, yeah.

1:22:08Chris Ryan:it's a good later period

1:22:10Bill Simmons:there's probably some horror stuff we're forgetting did somebody do that in It Follows? I think it's really more the ghost the haunting what about the screen movies? Rebecca Gayhart?

1:22:21Chris Ryan:well I don't want to spoil screen movies but Mikey Madison is pretty good she is, that's a good one good one Craig

1:22:27Bill Simmons:Half-Fast Internet Research the opening scene when an admiral is seduced and killed had to be rewritten because the U.S. military was like, no. And they changed it to Canada. Canada just taking shots. It's really funny. Goldeneye was the nickname of Ian Fleming's beachfront house in Jamaica, where he wrote a bunch of Bond novels in the 50s.

1:22:52Sean Fennessey:But did you also read that it was also the name of a military operation strategy in the event that England was invaded through Spain, through the Nazis' partnership with... Jesus.

1:23:05Chris Ryan:I didn't know that. With Franco?

1:23:06Sean Fennessey:With Franco. And that Ian Fleming was working as a spy at that time. And so he worked on that strategy. And then he named his estate after that strategy, which was never ultimately deployed. But then some... I think Michael France, who wrote the original version of the screenplay, he must have known that and put that in because there's all this stuff about what happened in World War II with the Cossacks and everything. So it feels like a big homage to that.

1:23:32Bill Simmons:It would be funny if the actual reason was his first name begins with I, and he just was drunk one night. It's like, I will name this place Golden Eye. And that was just how it became. 90 ,000 cans of Perrier water were used in the collision between the tank and the Perrier truck. And every other soda turned it down. And soda, water, everything. And Perrier's like, sign us up. And it was great for them. How many people do you think he killed in this movie? 60? 75. 47. Highest ever for Bond. apex mountain brosden i'm gonna say yes it's yeah probably it was kind of brosden time in 95

1:24:11Chris Ryan:because this is also like such a huge success it basically revives the franchise right it

1:24:16Sean Fennessey:might be mama mia oh oh you just yeah i just saw this for the first time i did not know how popular these movies were i have now learned how popular they are and is this in your divorced women's

1:24:29Bill Simmons:group.

1:24:30Sean Fennessey:Yeah, well, pretty much. It's called watching a movie Amanda asked me to watch. And I enjoyed the movie. But he's a big part of the movie. Like, more than I expected. He's like the third lead of the movie. And I feel like to a younger generation, he's way more famous for that movie than he is for James Bond.

1:24:53Bill Simmons:Was he Thomas Crown Affair? He was. I would argue he might be more famous for that, too, than Goldeneye. But I think people know him first as well. My, like, Luke's favorite

1:25:01Chris Ryan:Brosnan is probably Hot Fuzz.

1:25:03Sean Fennessey:He's super funny in Hot Fuzz. He was just in Black Bag. He was also in Black Bag. Yeah, yeah. He's having a good little stretch. I like Brosnan. And he's in, um...

1:25:12Chris Ryan:What, Taylor Sher... Isn't he in a Taylor Sheridan? No, he's in Mobland. It's not Taylor Sheridan, but it feels like it.

1:25:18Sean Fennessey:Yeah. He's always been good. He was in the first John McTiernan movie, Nomads. He was the lead of... Before Die Hard, before all those movies. Isabella Skoropko, I'm gonna say yes

1:25:27Bill Simmons:for Apex Bond for her.

1:25:29Chris Ryan:She did appear in a film called Cougar Club several years later.

1:25:31Sean Fennessey:Did you write and direct that film?

1:25:33Bill Simmons:I've been waiting for the 4K to arrive. That's got to be on Tubi. BMW Z3. No question. It wasn't until you shit on it on this pod.

1:25:43Chris Ryan:Listen, everyone makes mistakes. Is the song GoldenEye and the performance the anti-Apex of Bond theme songs? Oh, I think it's the worst. What's the best? Honestly, I kind of might go Skyfall.

1:25:55Sean Fennessey:Diamonds Are Forever is amazing. I mean, Carly Simon. For Your Eyes Only? Yeah. That was massive. Goldfinger is also amazing.

1:26:07Bill Simmons:Fomke. I'm probably butchering her name every time I'm doing that. Which should be on brand. Fomke. Fomke Jansen.

1:26:15Sean Fennessey:X-Men, yeah. Jean Grey.

1:26:17Bill Simmons:Bond movies. No. No.

1:26:21Chris Ryan:What would you say Apex Mountain for Bond movies is?

1:26:25Bill Simmons:Skyfall? I think it's got to be Connery era. These were like events when they came out. I think Skyfall made like a billion dollars.

1:26:32Sean Fennessey:I think Skyfall is the most financially successful, but maybe not for inflation. That's like Dr. No from Russia with Love. That first Connery era, I think is probably.

1:26:39Bill Simmons:I think that in the 60s, it has to be somewhere in there. Joe Don Baker? No, Walking Tall. So I have Mitchell. When he played Mitchell. And then the Mystery Science Theater guys made fun of Mitchell. Mitchell in the film Mitchell. The best hour and a half of comedy in Comedy Central history was them doing Mitchell.

1:26:57Sean Fennessey:I really loved it. I saw that one.

1:26:59Bill Simmons:Because they would always do like these weird 40s and 50s movies and then one time they decided to do Mitchell and it was fucking awesome. Had you seen Mitchell

1:27:07Sean Fennessey:before you saw them do that?

1:27:08Bill Simmons:No. All they're doing is just ragging on Joe Baker for 90 minutes. And he's like a ladies' man grizzled drunk detective in it and they're just fucking killing him. It's really funny. It's probably on YouTube. Post-Cold War shit? No. No. Perrier. I think you could say yes. Sparkling water. Perrier had a bad rap for a while. It's starting to come around.

1:27:33Chris Ryan:Is Perrier just being completely blown off the face of the earth by all the fancy sparkling waters now?

1:27:39Bill Simmons:Yeah, now it's like people just call it sparkling water. What's your relationship with Perrier, Craig?

1:27:43Chris Ryan:Never really drank it. San Peli. That's my...

1:27:47Bill Simmons:Yeah, it's a lot of competitors. No free ads. By the way, note to any of them. Happy to sponsor. We'll put you right there. I'll drink from Perrier.

1:27:55Chris Ryan:No offense to San Pellegrino, but it always strikes me that they are, I find their rewards or their prize money for Top Chef to be pretty cheap. It's like, you get$200 ,000. It's like, this guy's the best chef in the country. Shouldn't he get like something more than that?

1:28:11Sean Fennessey:Wow.

1:28:12Chris Ryan:Alan Cumming?

1:28:13Sean Fennessey:No. Traders. Traders, yeah. He's having his moment. You think he's proud of his work as Boris Grushenko?

1:28:20Bill Simmons:He's basically test driving his Traders hosting role as Boris. Similar energy. Just about the Russian accent. Yeah. By the way, one of my goals for 2026 is to get Rachel Lindsay on Traders. I'm just laying the hammer down now. Can I... She needs to go on Traders. They need to have her and I think she'd be amazing.

1:28:37Sean Fennessey:I have no problem with that whatsoever, but can I just make a suggestion? I think you should go on Traders. I should go on Traders? I think you would be incredible on Traders.

1:28:46Bill Simmons:I just don't know if he could stay... It's like a guilt by association with who's on the show, though. Kind of, but like you are a strategist. How would you have dealt with Rappet? you love a game how would you have dealt

1:28:55Chris Ryan:with Rappaport on Traders probably would have tried to get him out yeah think about it

1:29:01Bill Simmons:just think well Rachel they have all these like real housewives from Beverly Hills types like get Rachel she would have been way better than any of them

1:29:07Sean Fennessey:would be great she'd be a package the two of you guys

1:29:10Chris Ryan:we can do our own Traders in Bill's house

1:29:13Bill Simmons:that's true we could do Ringer Traders yeah it would be hilarious if it was like Bill's taking a two month sabbatical for what what's he doing he got on season 5 of Traders

1:29:24Sean Fennessey:everything shutting down I was watching it with Eileen and it did occur to me I was like I feel like Bill would be good it would be better if you were like

1:29:30Chris Ryan:you know what I'm stepping away for mental health purposes and it was like six months later Bill's on traders I have said to Carrie I'm just I'm experiencing burnout you know I've done too many trade deadlines

1:29:42Bill Simmons:well because I remember anything everyone's ever said to me I would never slip up with the well we took him out and then like you said we why'd you say we you would never do that or you would I would never do that interesting I would just keep a low profile What did Carrie say? I would never do the thing Where it's like Why are we here first When they have sometimes The three traders Are all eating breakfast first And then the fourth person Comes in and is like Hey Why are you three here first? Are you the traders? I just would have Immediately been suspicious Yeah Sounds like maybe You want in Is there a traders All-star edition?

1:30:14Bill Simmons:Is that what you would Maybe they could get me in Rachel No the one I couldn't do Is Survivor That's the one I've always Wanted to do But the contact ones is you're just, it's a deal breaker.

1:30:25Sean Fennessey:No food is increasingly an issue too. I feel like just like it's been four days since I've had one bite of food. That's not like, I can't do that these days.

1:30:32Bill Simmons:I've said this before, but my dream in life has always been for my wife to be on Survivor. Because after, if she doesn't eat for about 10 hours, she turns into Hannibal Lecter. And she would win. They'd be trying to vote her off, but she would keep winning the challenges. They'd be like, fuck, we can't really care. Then she'd be like, just like the most menacing person.

1:30:52Chris Ryan:Does Carrie want a reward to go to the Outback Steakhouse Hut? She was like, none of you are fucking coming. I'm eating all the steak.

1:31:02Bill Simmons:Cruise or Hanks? Cruise. Cruise.

1:31:05Chris Ryan:Cruise, easy win. If you could put another Bond actor in GoldenEye, who would you want?

1:31:14Sean Fennessey:Another Bond actor?

1:31:16Chris Ryan:Yeah, like if you could have Conrey, Dalton, Lazenby, Moore, or Craig in GoldenEye. because I think Goldeneye I was going to save this for Prestige TV yeah I think it's got remake potential oh

1:31:29Sean Fennessey:interesting

1:31:29Chris Ryan:I think between the hacking stuff you could have like some AI stuff you have the EMP pulse thing satellite

1:31:36Sean Fennessey:yeah I mean we briefly mentioned it but also just Russia being the you know the villain

1:31:41Chris Ryan:and also the Trevathian thing I think would be really cool for them to explore that's interesting

1:31:45Bill Simmons:we need to get one of the internet weirdos to figure out the cruiser Hanks standings I can do it. No, we just get it. Isn't there like a rewatchables Reddit? Can't one of those people do it? I'll give them a shout out. Maybe they will now,

1:31:59Chris Ryan:but I have them all logged. Just got to add them up.

1:32:02Bill Simmons:Who's winning, you think? Cruise, I bet.

1:32:04Chris Ryan:Cruise, yeah. Cruise is up like five or six last time I checked.

1:32:07Bill Simmons:Oh, really? Yeah. You know what that means? Going to have to start rigging it a little bit? Or we need another cruise? That's why you should go on traders

1:32:14Sean Fennessey:because my response was going to be that means I won the argument and that means to you, you need to start cheating. Yeah.

1:32:20Chris Ryan:It would be cool if like first one to a hundred or whatever we're going for. And then it's like the reward is Cruise or Hanks is on the pod. Wow.

1:32:31Bill Simmons:Cruise doing rewatchables would probably break all of our brains.

1:32:34Sean Fennessey:You know that Hanks can hang. With you, he was so good.

1:32:37Bill Simmons:We're about to have the new studio that we'll be able to do four-person rewatchables again. Well, I would never... If we had Cruise, I would never want to... We'd be like, oh, I can only have Chris or Sean. We can only do three. like we'd go four for cruise and I don't think any of us would talk the whole time I think he would have so much energy

1:32:56Chris Ryan:would you make me do Wayne Jenkins in front of cruise

1:33:01Chris Ryan:hey man that's a really good impression

1:33:03Bill Simmons:great job I'd probably make you do somebody from one of his movies like Rod Tidwell yeah oh god that would be

1:33:10Sean Fennessey:as many black characters as you can do you should do in front of Tom Cruise

1:33:14Bill Simmons:do Ving Rhames from Mission Impossible 3 best hang worst hang do you have either for this movie?

1:33:20Chris Ryan:I had Best Hang Moneypenny. She had obviously just a great hang. And then Worst Hang Boris. Yeah, Boris. Probably reeks of cigarettes. I can't do better than that.

1:33:29Bill Simmons:They've never really figured out the kind of semi-evil computer hackers in movies. They always have to like have these crazy personalities and do a lot of typing and play with pens. They don't really know what the movie is before. Not a good movie,

1:33:40Chris Ryan:but Oliphant in Live Free Die Hard is probably the coolest hacker.

1:33:44Sean Fennessey:It's a good one. I enjoy Fisher Stevens in the movie Hackers. Yeah. He's pretty good in that.

1:33:49Bill Simmons:I've been scouting Rewatchables movies, including Gone in 60 Seconds, which I watched recently, which is tremendous. Dude, it's awesome. I don't know what... Oliphant's in a completely different movie than everyone else in the movie. I don't know what he's doing in that movie. And he's in a Nick Cage movie, which is crazy to say.

1:34:03Chris Ryan:If you're in a different movie than Nick Cage already is...

1:34:06Bill Simmons:He's all the way over here, like filming a pilot for FX with his character.

1:34:10Sean Fennessey:It's a pretty sick era for him, too. It's great. That's right after Go. Yeah. We'll be doing that one. He's the man.

1:34:15Bill Simmons:Pick and Nets. Mentioned already, not sure how James gets away from 100 Russian soldiers in the first scene from close quarters. It's basically like a room like this and they all have machine guns. He gets out. Natalia, same thing with the explosion. The tank, I don't know. Can tanks do that? I'm going to guess no. I don't think so.

1:34:33Chris Ryan:Also, I know slow is smooth and smooth is fast, but James Bond gets out of that tank very slowly as the train is approaching. He's kind of like, up here, and now I'm off the tracks. Have you ever been in a tank? You know what? I think I might have in like a World War II museum or something. Was it in Berlin? No. I don't remember where it was. Honestly, it might have been in Croatia. I might have been in a tank. Interesting. Yeah. Just keep it moving. I have Sean Bean

1:35:02Bill Simmons:Sean Bean falling to his death like 100 feet and dying instantly.

1:35:06Chris Ryan:Not exploding? Ow!

1:35:08Bill Simmons:It's like, he's just dead. That being said, you hit the ground, you're dead.

1:35:12Chris Ryan:I love long fall, paralyzed, and then something falls on you. I thought it was kind of funny

1:35:17Sean Fennessey:that they purposefully were like, he survived, whoops.

1:35:21Bill Simmons:Yeah, he's not survived. Any else?

1:35:24Chris Ryan:Bond and Natalia in the plane over the fake lake where the dish is, they get hit by a missile and crash land into the jungle and they are just like beautifully knocked out for five minutes, not eviscerated.

1:35:39Sean Fennessey:Well, some questions about that missile. Like the missile basically acts as though it were like a boomerang. Like it just like hits it and the plane catches on fire. It's like it's a missile. It's supposed to explode and blow the plane up. It's kind of a weak missile. I already mentioned just them not shooting Sean Bean. Sean Bean not shooting Bond in the face when Groschenko is hacking Natalia's code. It's insane.

1:36:02Bill Simmons:Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Doris Burke or somebody else here?

1:36:07Chris Ryan:I'm working something out here. I'm thinking about bringing Zane Lowe into the rotation. For Bond? We've been scouting him for a while. scouting him ever since his Harry Styles interview and just imagining him being like, James you're back and we couldn't even call it espionage because it's a journey it's a journey about who you want to be as a spy golden eye looking down on us but we're looking over at you what do you have for us next in this great piece of art that we call spying I don't know if it's good yet we're just that was out of control I loved that I also love that when he's interviewing people he's just like Sean who you are who you've become but where you come from talk about it

1:36:58Chris Ryan:I fucked the mic up

1:37:02Sean Fennessey:yeah don't ever look me in the eye like that again please that's probably why he gets such good stuff you know

1:37:06Bill Simmons:he's my friend which made me love that more Juliet and I still have

1:37:10Chris Ryan:I still have an MP3 on my phone that Julia recorded of when Hello by Adele came out and he just goes, the return of the artist.

1:37:24Sean Fennessey:That was incredible. That was in Grantland days. I remember that well.

1:37:28Bill Simmons:That was my number one moment all time of I wish CR was here since I've known CR since 2010. Zayn rented a house in Malibu for one week and it was the house that was Neil's house in heat.

1:37:41Sean Fennessey:Oh.

1:37:43Bill Simmons:And I walked in and I'm like, what's going on with this hat? Like I just had the feeling. No, yeah, it had furniture. Okay. But it was Zane Lowe who you would have loved, but then we were in the Neil house. And I was like, if CR was here, I feel like he would have a stroke.

1:37:59Sean Fennessey:I'm recovering from Zane Lowe.

1:38:01Bill Simmons:That was great. Good addition. Fergie the florist and Zane Lowe. Yeah. People said you couldn't top Wayne Jenkins. We're slowly moving some new guys in. It's going to revitalize this pod. Just one Oscar. Who gets it? I don't know.

1:38:16Chris Ryan:Martin Campbell?

1:38:17Bill Simmons:Martin Campbell. Sure.

1:38:18Chris Ryan:Best director. I think.

1:38:19Bill Simmons:Special effects? The stunt guy. Oh, stunt guy. Who did the bungee jump. Stunts. Probably in answerable questions. I have two, but if you guys have any, come on in.

1:38:30Chris Ryan:How does James Bond break up with women in between movies? You know, you get to the end, Natalia. him. Like they've gone through several globetrotting adventures together. I think he gets bored after a couple months, right? I don't think he breaks up with them. He definitely ghosts them. He just kind of stops responding. It's like, oh yeah, it's like, sorry babe, it's espionage.

1:38:49Sean Fennessey:This one did have me thinking of James Bond as gay though. For real. Because like he won't commit. He's got incredible chemistry with all these guys. Jack Wade shows up and they're like bosom buddies right away. Obviously he and Sean Bean, they spent a lot of time together, right? 006, 007. What was the Daniel Craig one where they were like,

1:39:05Bill Simmons:there's some subtext in the entire movie. It's kind of in every movie.

1:39:09Chris Ryan:It's Bardem.

1:39:09Bill Simmons:It's Skyfall.

1:39:10Sean Fennessey:Bardem, yes. Bardem is playing that very, like, we fucked James. He's opening his shirt

1:39:14Chris Ryan:and he's just like, let's go.

1:39:15Sean Fennessey:Yeah. You know, kind of the origins of that a little bit. Why can't you just get, lock it down, you know? Commit.

1:39:23Bill Simmons:I have two. Could you actually kill somebody by squeezing your legs around them? If you're a six-foot Dutch model slash Russian assassin. I'd like to find out. I was trying to think, like, how would this really go? How strong would your legs have to be?

1:39:37Chris Ryan:I don't think I would enjoy that. So your ribs would have to cave. Being squeezed in that way? Even if the prospect of having sex with Xenia. Actually, what am I doing?

1:39:44Bill Simmons:We have Craig here. This is why you're here. You've definitely thought about this. Crush the ribs in.

1:39:50Chris Ryan:Yeah.

1:39:51Bill Simmons:You'd have to split a kidney or a liver at that point. Internal bleeding. One of the ribs would have to split something. Probably internal bleeding from all the broken ribs.

1:39:57Chris Ryan:Oh, I thought it was just suffocating. No, I think it's broken ribs.

1:40:00Bill Simmons:Broken ribs splicing an organ, I think, would be how it went. Would you like it if she sat on your face? What?

1:40:10Bill Simmons:Here's my other one. Joe Don Baker. So if he's just Joe Baker, it's fine. Joe Don Baker now becomes like one of the coolest names you could have in a movie. So why don't other people just put Don? Like, could Chris be Chris Don Ryan? Some of your best work. Sean Fennessy and Chris Don Ryan. Sean Don Fennessy. Sean Don Fennessy. Craig Don Horlbeck. I could be Bill Don Simmons. I'm ecstatic right now. No thoughts in anything. Sean Dalton Fennessy and Chris Don Ryan. Yeah. Chris Don Ryan's here. It's just for something about the Don just makes it move really nicely.

1:40:44Sean Fennessey:I think I will legally change my name now. Shut up, Sean Don. That is undeniable.

1:40:49Chris Ryan:I would have a kid just to name him like CD. Chris Don. Yeah.

1:40:54Bill Simmons:And did his parents, was he Joseph Donald Baker? I'm sure. And he just became Joe Don? Or were his parents like, you're Joe Don Baker?

1:41:00Sean Fennessey:I don't know, but I...

1:41:01Bill Simmons:Let's find out.

1:41:02Sean Fennessey:It seems possible that there's a SAG card issue there where there was already a Joe Baker in SAG.

1:41:06Bill Simmons:Wikipedia just has him as Joe Don Baker.

1:41:08Sean Fennessey:That's it. That's just his whole name.

1:41:09Bill Simmons:I think it was like a Southern, like, this is just your name. Joe Don. It's like Billy Joe. Joe Don. That's it.

1:41:15Chris Ryan:Grosbeck, Texas. Chris Don Ryan. His mother's name was Edna McDonald. So perhaps Don from there? Oh, yeah.

1:41:22Bill Simmons:Could see that. Yeah, yeah. Joe Don Baker. What a name. It's perfect. It's like, because the other one who is kind of like the discount Joe Don Baker was Wingshauser.

1:41:31Sean Fennessey:Yes.

1:41:31Bill Simmons:And Wingshauser, another great name. Yeah. Was that his real first name? Does it matter?

1:41:36Sean Fennessey:No. Wings Houser was elite.

1:41:37Bill Simmons:Wings Houser, Cole Houser's dad? Yeah.

1:41:41Sean Fennessey:Yeah, he is.

1:41:41Bill Simmons:Yes.

1:41:42Chris Ryan:I guess I never thought about it.

1:41:44Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:41:44Chris Ryan:God damn.

1:41:45Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:41:45Chris Ryan:That's Rip's dad?

1:41:47Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:41:47Chris Ryan:God damn it.

1:41:48Sean Fennessey:What's going on with Cole Houser's character in that world?

1:41:50Chris Ryan:He is on the Not the Madison, which is the Michelle Pfeiffer, Kurt Russell spinoff. Okay. It's another spinoff. Did that start yet? He's not on Madison? No, I don't think so.

1:42:01Sean Fennessey:Did the Madison start yet?

1:42:02Chris Ryan:No, it starts in March. But it's supposed to be like kind of like a romance.

1:42:06Bill Simmons:Get ready for some sad staring out into the sunset and some fly fishing. Feels like. I'm excited.

1:42:13Sean Fennessey:How do you feel about your never was Michelle Pfeiffer getting involved in the Sheridanverse?

1:42:18Bill Simmons:It was tough. When she made that weird Amazon movie, I was like, we need Sheridan to bring this back. It's just always strange

1:42:24Chris Ryan:when somebody's not on stuff for a while and then they have two shows at the same time. So she's going to have an Apple show and a Paramount show at the same time. Oh, interesting. No.

1:42:32Bill Simmons:My dad was upset about Landman. Why? He thought it was a four-episode stretch into ten. Once Sheridan really doubled down on season three. I agree with your father. By the way, Sheridan, some of the stuff that came out, Sheridan's like, yeah, we're taking corners back next season. Corners back from whom? I read an article.

1:42:53Chris Ryan:Oh, and he was like, I see you guys out here doubting Landman.

1:42:55Bill Simmons:He's getting more involved in season three, yeah. did he write every episode of season two did he

1:43:01Chris Ryan:did he wow Bill's breaking news

1:43:04Bill Simmons:but doesn't he did he write season three or season two

1:43:07Sean Fennessey:but doesn't he like control the entire world like that whole world does he who does he's doing six shows at the same time who are you defending

1:43:17Bill Simmons:Taylor Sheridan I think Taylor Sheridan is taking back his corners next year I think they know

1:43:21Chris Ryan:that was a weak season two got it okay I think that the other side of that argument is that it might be a little bit of a twilight for those shows because he's going to Universal in a couple years and he's not going to be wasting good ideas and good energy on them. I think he's more of a professional than that. Okay, great. Yeah, that's right.

1:43:39Sean Fennessey:You think he will not mail it in?

1:43:40Bill Simmons:No. No. Good. Plus he's on the limitless drug. He can't mail it in. He's just creating shit left and right. Number 16. Do you think he uses ChatGPT?

1:43:57Bill Simmons:I don't know. I would... That feels like a negative thing to say like, yes, I do. My question is, do all screenwriters kind of dabble? It's a tool. Do screenwriters dabble in it? I'm not going to tell Shakespeare he can't use a typewriter. This is great because you were like,

1:44:11Sean Fennessey:there's way too much workplace sexual harassment stuff in GoldenEye, but I will not speak on whether or not Taylor Sheridan uses...

1:44:18Bill Simmons:I just don't know. I don't know the process of screenwriting and like whether that stuff is helpful or it messes you up.

1:44:25Sean Fennessey:I think people say that it is helpful.

1:44:27Bill Simmons:he's cranking out a lot of material. It's true. That's why I said the Limitless drug.

1:44:32Chris Ryan:Yeah.

1:44:34Bill Simmons:What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie, CR?

1:44:37Chris Ryan:I would like a functional mint condition Nintendo 64 and a mint condition version of GoldenEye 07. Wow, incredible. That's got to be like my wife to go away for a week. I still have my N64. Can I come over? Yeah.

1:44:50Sean Fennessey:Okay. You want to go back to being an unmarried layabout in a New York City apartment? Yes.

1:44:56Chris Ryan:Listen to Boothang, listening to the iron flag.

1:45:01Bill Simmons:I didn't have an answer for this. I don't know if I'd want any memorabilia from this one. Aston Martin's pretty cool. But that's weird. We all do cars.

1:45:07Sean Fennessey:Yeah.

1:45:07Bill Simmons:The pen? Oh, the pen's good. Yeah, the pen's good. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award for Best Life Lesson. I will either offer you half of everything is luck, James. Thought that was solid. Governments change. The lies stay the same. There you go. Bingo.

1:45:23Sean Fennessey:Wow. Bingo. What's age the best? Best double feature choice? I had a couple. I did include Moonraker because I think Bond stretching for the limits is the theme of this movie. I also had Lawnmower Man for an early look at Pierce Brosnan that also includes kind of hacking virtual worlds. Kind of not, that's something he's not really thought of as a Pierce Brosnan movie, but it is.

1:45:51Bill Simmons:Well, we're trying to do Netflix movies that they have to try to team them up with rewatchables. and Moonraker I wouldn't do it like in the next two months but Moonraker is one that I've it would be a really funny

1:46:03Chris Ryan:like dead dead week like this is that movie is hilarious

1:46:06Bill Simmons:I can't believe that movie happened yeah it's really funny you mentioned in a previous episode about this like overreaction to Star Wars where people kind of lost their minds for two years and that's how Moonraker they basically did James Bond in outer space it's fucking nuts I can't believe it happened

1:46:21Sean Fennessey:it's entertaining though

1:46:22Bill Simmons:it is entertaining it's good but it's also crazy and stupid What if we just did fucking Bond movies for like the rest of the year? I don't know. We definitely could have done a month. Yeah. If I did this over again, I might even think like we could have done Goldfinger. We could have won from each era.

1:46:40Sean Fennessey:I think that's the best way to do it. I think once you start getting into like the third Roger Moore movie, it's very redundant. Like it gets very seamy.

1:46:47Bill Simmons:Roger Moore, TV actor.

1:46:49Sean Fennessey:Wow. Shots fired.

1:46:51Bill Simmons:He is not held up, I don't think as well as some of the other Bonds. That's the famous Sean Penn diss on Michael J.

1:46:59Sean Fennessey:Fox. You know that story? So let's do that scene. Oh, he's like a TV actor? And he gets up right next to his ear and he goes, TV actor. And then he walks away from it.

1:47:08Bill Simmons:He's like, come on, man. I'm trying to do Michael J. Fox. I can't do it. Not bad. Who won the movie? Pierce Brosnan. Agreed. I think so, too. I think you could argue the Bond franchise because it reinvigorated, too.

1:47:23Chris Ryan:Yeah. I could see that.

1:47:24Bill Simmons:All right, Craig.

1:47:25Chris Ryan:Goldeneye. Had never seen it. I have only seen the Daniel Craig Bond movies. Really liked those. I thought this was better and worse than I expected. How so? It was worse in that it was odd going from seeing the Austin Powers movies, which they are parodying. It was weird going from the parody to what they were parodying in order of watching. Oh, yeah. So it was kind of odd how silly and whimsical this movie was. I kind of was too colored by the Daniel Craig Bonds, which are way darker and more serious. didn't really realize Bond was so whimsical. Like when they're down with Q and the guy's like in the phone booth and like the airbag goes off and he's like stuck, you know, the guy in the background, things like that, it was just way sillier and seeing Austin Powers do it, I don't know if it kind of hurt or affected the way I interpreted this movie.

1:48:10And yet, just like so fun,

1:48:13Chris Ryan:old school, like movie escapism. This is what you go to the movies for. Hot people sprawling, going to countries, fancy cities, you're in casinos. Like it's super fun. I thought the first 12 minutes, I watched the first 12 minutes, the Tina Turner song plays. I paused it. I went into the bedroom and I was like, Liz, you've got to watch this movie with me. I think you'll like it. She came out. I restarted it. We rewatched the first 12 minutes and then we watched the movie. And it's super fun. But yeah, it's weird. The Austin Powers stuff, you're like, oh, this is incredibly ridiculous. Yeah, to go back, it must be hard.

1:48:43Bill Simmons:Yeah. One other thing with Bond movies, great date movie. Yeah, they're so fun. Yeah, like old school. I don't know if you, Bourne Identity is as much of like a date movie is. Well, that's more of a solo excursion for you. Yeah.

1:48:55Chris Ryan:That's playing GoldenEye by myself.

1:48:57Bill Simmons:Yeah, hand down your pants. That's it for the GoldenEye Rewatch. Thanks for having us. CR, thank you. Thank you. Fancy, thank you. Craig and Gab, thank you. And we'll be back next week.