‘Jeremiah Johnson’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Bill’s Dad

22:46Bill Simmons:Yeah. My dad has the record. Most rewatchable scene. Hatchet Jack's letter. Yeah. Slightly racist, but pretty charming. Would you put Hatchet Jack in the Dion Waiters for even though he was dead? His letter. Being of sound mind and broke legs, do leaveth my bear rifle to whatever finds it. Lord hope it be a white man. It is a good rifle, and kilt the bear that kilt me. Anyway, I am dead. Yours truly, Hatchet Jack. What a writer. Anyway, he must have been happy. He would have been happy that Jeremiah got the rifle. Yeah. 50 caliber Hawken. And then that rifle becomes his sort of signature when he meets up with Delke Yu, right?

23:34Bill Simmons:Right. 30 caliber Hawken seems like, okay, 50 caliber. Well, the 50 cal, that's what you're taking down elk with. Yeah. 30 cal, I think you can get your rabbits. Yeah. Next one, I like when he makes a deal with the Native Americans. Trades them a bear coat for two second round picks and some future considerations. Some swaps on next year's pelts. He establishes the relationship early. Next one, bald guy Del Giu shaves his hair because he doesn't want them take his hair, dad. It's off his head already. He still ended up on the ground and was lucky that Jeremiah came along. He kills some guys and grabs some scalps for not even positive what his reason was.

24:21Bill Simmons:He's like, they stole my horses. And he's like, I'm going to go back and get them. And Johnson is like, I'm not here to get involved. I'll just help you get into the camp and we can quietly do this. And Delgui gets violent. And it's a recurring theme where Johnson doesn't want... I just want to set some picks and grab a couple rebounds. They didn't just do his horses. They put him in the ground to die. Those birds were ready to go after his eyeballs. Yeah, that's a tough way to go. I was going to say that. Top 10? You die from being sunburned and just having the crows pick your eyes? He's also going to lose his mind because his mustache keeps itching his nostrils.

25:03Right. I thought he had a classic line when he asked Jeremiah, might you have an extra hat? Right.

25:13Bill Simmons:First family meal with the new gang. Yeah. Boy, woman, and Jeremiah all together. But I liked how they built the family thing. Within 20 minutes, I was a full believer. It would have been a fun YouTube fake commercial for an 80s sitcom with the Jeremiah family. So that's my... Playing lacrosse. This is the swan montage, I guess it is, of like after that first night and, you know, it's spring, the snows melted. That whole montage of like her showing him how to hunt. Yeah. Them building that house. I love a house building montage. Oh, yeah. I think that's my most rewatchable sequence. I had that in the next one, the building the house.

25:55Bill Simmons:Yeah. Love watching them build a log cabin, Dad. two things uh something you neither you or i could probably pull off if we had all the logs oh we'd have to hire we'd have to hire somebody in the wilderness well home depot is sponsoring this segment yeah yeah we is there a home depot out there in utah uh i do love watching them build the house yeah because the mud and the hay is the insulation to like it's so realistic when you're watching you're like oh that's how it's just it could have gone for five more minutes i got the wolf attack. Pretty good wolf attack. Pretty good for early 70s for action.

26:33Bill Simmons:The Crow Graveyard. Yeah, reluctantly helping the Kirt Cavalry and the annoying ass reverend. Dad, how many times have you watched this movie and not wanting him to go through the graveyard? Like you feel like this is it's the 197th time but maybe this time he won't go through it. He'll know not to. It's the classic, classic movie. No, no. just don't. No. No. Don't do it. And you know with the reverend staring at him who doesn't care at all about Jeremiah. No. You just don't want him to do it. The lieutenant has that great line where he's like you have to hunt. I have to try and help these people.

27:16the way it convinces Jeremiah to do it because he's like these guys are all going to die if I don't walk them through this.

27:23Bill Simmons:Next scene I wrote down was Jeremiah fucks up five crows and passes out. Then the next one right after that, Jeremiah 1v1 against multiple crow assassins. Just move those together. I had the, I described this as the NCAA tournament of fighting crow warriors. And then there's a murder montage. Yeah. Culminating in the playing dead but he's not really dead killing. He sees the guy in the eye reflection. All of a sudden this movie becomes John Wick, and it's incredible. Well, that scene is a little bit if he looks up into the eye of the horse, and he sees the reflection of the guy coming at him. Yeah.

28:06Bill Simmons:How dare you question Jeremiah Johnson's methods? I have a question in the horse. It's straight from Liver Eater, you know? Yeah. Come on. I like when he goes to visit Crazy Lady's house, and there's a new family there, and And the guy says, some say you're dead on account of this. Some say you never will be on account of this. Yeah. Which I have some theories on later. And then the actual ending. I want to talk about the ending. Go ahead. Do your thing. You can do it right now. I think it's my favorite rewatchable part of the movie. And anytime I watch the movie, if I fast forward, I fast forward to the end.

28:46Because we don't know how long. I mean, in the article about Lou Reeding Johnson, it said 10 years. There's no timeline in terms of how long Jeremiah was out there killing crows.

28:58Bill Simmons:Yeah. But it certainly was a while. And you wonder if he ever was going to make peace with Chief Paints in his shirt red. You got the name, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a shirt red. Yeah. I love the name. um i and in that final scene he goes to click the rifle thinking that right that we're on it again here we go on it again and this time i'm on it with the chief yeah uh best guy wins uh and then when he put his arm up it was it was great it was just a great way to end the movie but for me it's the most rewatchable scene. Good Redford, too, with the where he really gives the extra back. And the classic line.

29:47And some folks think he's up there still. Get some guitar in there. Yeah. He's also, at that point, he's got CTE, probably.

30:00Bill Simmons:He's been stabbed with a spear. He's been knifed in the back. He's got multiple infections. I think his hands all fucked up. Yeah, he's got frostbite fingers. I mean, it's got to end at some point. I love how the last couple of scenes with the tournament of fighting coincides with his legend growing throughout the region and how it's basically like the Liberty Valance print the myth idea, print the legend. And it's like you can see there's a song about it. They've started to build this monument to him. The Crow have started telling stories about how this guy is roaming the mountains, getting his revenge.

30:38And it turns into a folktale almost.

30:41Bill Simmons:It would be funny if he had the LeBron media machine behind him, where it was like, Jeremiah Johnson, unclear if he's coming back. My sources are telling me he's really banged up from that last crow fight. An Instagram that says he's going zero dark 23 for the next three months. Jeremiah Johnson taking it fight to fight. doesn't know what this is going to end. Jeremiah Johnson, I've actually been watching the crows for about 20 years. I've been learning from the crows. My most rewatchable is when he takes down the first group of crows. Oh, in the camp? Yeah, because it's a classic sometimes they'll fuck this up.

31:26Bill Simmons:Taken has a version of this in the kitchen when he's with the Albanians, and he goes, hey, before I go, can you read this for me? And the guy's like, good luck. And then all of a sudden he shoots like seven guys, but it's in the kitchen. And anytime you see scenes like that, you're always like, yeah, the sixth guy probably could have gotten his gun out in time. Right. As he's, but these guys, you shoot once back in 1840, it takes you five minutes to reload. Right. Well, he does the double rifle. Yeah. To start out. I have, I have a breakdown of this coming later, but, I think that's my favorite.

32:00Bill Simmons:So you have the actual ending. I have the actual ending. And then you have family meal with woman and boy? House building montage. House building montage. You know, the family piece reminded me of Outlaw Josie Wells, where suddenly he has a family that's accompanying him on his journey. Remember, the Indian joins him, the woman joins him. Kind of a similar take. I mean, there's lessons from these movies. and one of many is don't think it's ever going to work out with the loner who's in the middle of nowhere who finds the instant family. I'm just going to assume everyone's going to die. Don't go through the graveyard just ever.

32:47Bill Simmons:I think it's another one. Just ever. Just take the extra 20 miles to go all the way around. You got horses. You're fine. I bet in retrospect you wish you'd listened to Waze. It's just like, you know what? It's telling me to go take the detour to the Intuit Dome. Yeah, you just gotta do it. Anyway, today's most rewatchable scene brought to you by the Home Depot. The Home Depot can help you set the scene for the holidays, no matter your budget or style. Maybe you get from that, from the Home Depot, one of the trees that you just get to put away after you're done with it. Well, we need a taller tree.

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34:29Yeah. So for me, that was the most mid-70s kind of scene or kind of a piece of the movie.

34:36Bill Simmons:See, Sierra, this is why we're related. I had those two things. A 150-second overture to start the movie, which honestly is just weird. I kind of enjoy it, but why weren't there credits during the overture? It's because it's basically you get 10 minutes of music getting ready to get to the movie, but I will say that overture really sets the mood it actually works it's just crazy to watch I wish more movies did that but I wish they would do it at the expense of like trailers or commercials before a film I would be into it if one battle just had the Johnny Greenwood score for like 5 minutes before the movie started that would be really cool Kingdom of Heaven had this I don't try to remember the last one Inglourious Bastards, I think the...

35:28Not Inglourious Bastards. Hateful Eight had the overture and then the intermission, but it's pretty rare.

35:34Bill Simmons:Intermission for a movie that's less than two hours is aggressive. Yes. Although I do like the enforced, like, you're going to want to go pee because this is about to get really real. Craig, what did you think when you started watching this movie and for two and a half minutes, nothing happened and it was just a picture? I was like, the Sopranos ending. I was like, is my screen broken? This is some good scrolling time right now on my phone while this is going on. Yeah, it's weird, but I don't know. It kind of fits the movie. All right, what's age the best? What do you have? I might have the nod of approval meme.

36:07Bill Simmons:Yeah, that's a good point. Certainly, like, number one with a bullet. I feel like it's going to live on. I like the crazy John Milius dialogue. When people do talk in this movie, I feel like it's pretty memorable, and it's got that really incredible, you know, dialect of this sort of formal English with this frontiersy abrasiveness.

36:29And also...

36:30Bill Simmons:You want it to come back? Maybe Amazon Prime for their NBA coverage? They just have everybody talk like in the 1840s. What's the other guy's name? Bearclaw? Bearclaw and Delgue next to Dirk. Dirk, I smelled you for three days. Yeah, and then there's just a couple of really, outside of the nodding meme, there's a couple of really good Redford reactions. Yeah. Especially when, uh, Delcuse got him in the TP doing like the parlay. And he's like, man, this is really going on for a long time. And then he winds up with a wife. Yeah. There you go. What do you have dad? Any, what's the best for you? Yeah.

37:07I think for me, you and I have talked to how we typically don't like movies that have voiceovers. Um, but I really thought the voiceovers in this movie and the music was terrific. and both things for me um usually don't like but i really like them in this movie but yet another

37:30Bill Simmons:thing that you can tell we're related it's mostly anti-narrator it's like prove to me we needed a narrator for this but this one actually i think needed a narrator was also like the right kind of voice for a narrator yeah very calming just sounded like he should be narrating i have a A couple of what's aged the best. This is the big one for me. I think, and I think we have to discuss whether this is a new category. Okay. Scene to scene, one of the great facial hair performances ever in a movie. Unbelievable. He's got five o 'clock shadow. He's got a little more than that. Then at one point he's got a beard where it almost looks like it's on his cheeks.

38:09Bill Simmons:It's so high. Completely wild. Then he's shaved. Then it's back. And they said they filmed this forever. like it's filmed for like six seven months and the way they use his facial hair it really feels that way where it's like he shaved his wife's dead wife and boy are dead and then when he goes to get the the crows he's got like the right amount of facial hair where it's like oh it's been probably a week you don't agree with me you're laughing you like what I call him boy I want you to start calling Ben boy hello boy I'm gonna start doing that But I was thinking, is that a new category, potentially?

38:49Bill Simmons:Most inspired facial hair or facial hair as a character? It would definitely work, yeah. Did Jeremiah Johnson facial hair has actually become a character? Yeah. Achievement in facial hair, yeah. Craig, were you just jealous of the beards? I mean, like... Look at me, of course. I can't grow a beard to save my life. It's you're just watching like, God, what a... I almost feel like this is why Redford took the movie. It's like, oh, I can try out all my different beards. Short beard, big beard. It changes the shape of his face. I think a lot of people, that meme, people didn't know that was Robert Redford for a while.

39:21Because it's kind of a rounded face. He has such a chiseled jaw, but the beard makes it look so much rounder. People didn't know it was him. There is a conspiracy theory that there were some beard extensions. Where are you guys getting these Jeremiah Johnson? He's making this up.

39:34Bill Simmons:He made that up. There's no conspiracy theory. What's the best? I like that the Crows built a statue for Jeremiah and all his kills. like a little memorial place. It was out of respect, but they're also still trying to kill him. It's pretty good. It would be like the jersey swap in the NFL. Like Bill's fans applauded Lamar at the end of a game. Or I was thinking Sixers fans keeping a Tatum shrine. We were being nice to each other. I guess I can't talk about Tatum. I like in the 1840s where they would just call people by like the most basic. He's called Pilgrim, Woman, Boy. Yeah. There's only like nine people out there on like a 300 mile radius.

40:22Bill Simmons:You can kind of get away with that. You didn't need to know names back then. The song in the beginning I enjoyed. Bear Claw? Just hunting grizzlies and collecting the claws? That's his thing. He's like Sean with Blu-rays. He's like, I got some more blue claws. If we just called him Sean Blu-ray fantasy. Blu-ray. That would be his Native American name. Also, this guy said, Bearclaw says to him, you're the same dumb pilgrim that I've been hearing for 20 days and smelling for three. There's a lot of like, how much are people being watched in this movie? Like, it's been tracked, which is really kind of fascinating.

41:02Because you have to imagine the crow must have seen Jeremiah lead the cavalry through the burial ground. Yeah. So, yeah, it's getting surveilled out there. Well, you know, when the reverend and the lieutenant come to his cabin, the first thing they say is, we're being watched. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, you're in Crow territory.

41:29Bill Simmons:This is Crow land. The other thing, you know, scents are a recurring theme in this movie. You mentioned it earlier with the pants or my dad did. Yeah. the odors must have been just horrific I can't even imagine you must just be nose blind at a certain point right yeah you must like it must just you just can't smell anything because it's so bad that part of your brain just must die and like there's no refrigeration really so you're just dragging meat around like I just think that they were living on the edge of that stuff yeah badly for Swan that she didn't have Redford take a little bath before he got into the sleeping bag.

42:10Yeah.

42:11Bill Simmons:She probably should have demanded that, but I don't think she had a lot of leverage at that point after having been given away by her dad. She had no leverage. Yeah, so you have that, but you also, I think like they, I think people smelled so bad you could actually like haunt other people or chase down other people from the BO. Yeah, you could smell them coming through about the past. That's like the last level of BO. It's like I've been drilling you for days. um redford said he redford apparently did most of the action scenes for this movie and he said half the fun of making movies is doing the action scenes anyone can say words i never do the stunts where a pro could pull it off safer or better but i do like the action where the camera's too close to tell a lie and the movie's insurance men are back at the office making out policies like takes a shot but he would pay off if he did the stunts he would still make sure they got paid that's good yeah there's a couple of uh the fights they look like he's taking real like tumbles yeah no question the one where he gets hit in the head and then he winds up in the creek and like you know he basically like wins the fight and passes out yeah i looked like he was like really feeling it yeah no question the last one is one that i never noticed which i'm ashamed to admit because this movie's been in my life my whole life and i don't ever remember my sage dad ever making this point.

43:33Bill Simmons:Well, it depends what the point is. You certainly never said this to me. If you did, I forgot. People think on the internets, people think this movie is set, he goes up the mountain as a journey and then comes back down. And when he comes back down, he goes through all the same things he saw when he went back up. And I was like, I think that might be true. He ends pretty much at the same spot that he first saw Paints His Shirt Red, right? At the creek. Right. And then where he saw Crazy Lady, he goes back there and that's where the new family lives. And he ascends up and then down. And the ascent down is faster.

44:12Yeah.

44:13Bill Simmons:But it's the same this thing. I don't know if you believe that one, Dad. You've seen this movie 197 times. I never even thought about that aspect. But part of it is not knowing where does he go next. Right. How long did he live? Right. Maybe he goes back and fights the war. That could have been the sequel. One of my favorite parts is when Delguse says goodbye for the last time and they're like, where are you going? He's like, where are you going? He's like, the Andes. Because this area is too trapped out and is now even with the settlers arriving losing its appeal. Delguse is like, the Andes. It's all out there.

44:56He's got to grab it. Redford says he's going to Canada. That's right. But never ends up actually can't go because there's too many people trying to kill him. Yeah.

45:08Bill Simmons:Last one's aged the best for me is just this movie in the Redford catalog, I think is really important. Yes. He doesn't really have another movie like this. Until all was lost. Right. Right. Basically, that's another. And if you take this out, I think it's a lot of parts that feel like they're vaguely related to each other. either he's the super handsome guy or he's the guy um on the run from somebody or um this one i just think kind of stands apart for him that's a good one dad we never asked what uh is redford like in the all-time rankings for you like is he mount rushmore for you where is he yeah he's mount rushmore for me think of all the you listed earlier all the movies he's been in a lot of them with the same director but we've watched all those movies and when they come on again on TV I watch them again well then The Natural is one of your top 5 or 6 for sure have you done The Natural?

46:07Bill Simmons:I think they're in COVID I mean listen, we could always bring it back could you Dr. Brillo, in the early 70s is there any way to describe how famous this guy was like as he's getting into this run where he's the way we were condor jeremiah johnson's the presidents like and he's just the i mean like how does it compare to somebody like cruz now or dicaprio now i like the way we talk about i mean like what was it like i think i think he had a a better body of work than the people that you just mentioned yeah i think he was very likable You know, there were no scandals about him that I recall. And, you know, he made a significant contribution to the entire acting community when he started Sundance.

46:57Yeah. I think his movement towards Sundance, I think he picked, he was very careful with the movies he picked. And it's hard to remember a movie that was not well done in which he received criticism. Right. So I think he might have, for me, he was probably the biggest star from 72 to, well, continuing on for quite a while. Clint moved in there for me as well. His movies were terrific to watch and re-watch. For me, it's always, do you want to re-watch the movie? Yeah. I wanted to re-watch his movies.

47:36Bill Simmons:Yeah, it was funny because it was him and Eastwood, but then Newman was in there. Burt Reynolds kind of passed through for a few years and then that was really it and Warren Beatty but he would only make a movie every couple years you mentioned something Dr. Bill his floor is pretty high there's not a lot of clunkers you trusted if he was in something alright I'll give that a whirl and even now because I think a lot of people have been going back to his films since his passing even the ones that we don't really talk about are still pretty good you know yeah i was waiting for one of the streamers to just have some crazy redford deal where it was like you know like they're too scattered 75 yeah all over the place yeah uh come on goes back to something one of you said earlier it was his favorite movie yeah that he made that says an awful lot to me uh because the diversity of the movies he made over his career.

48:37This was unique in my perspective in terms of the type of movie he made. And it was his favorite.

48:43Bill Simmons:Yeah. All right, we're doing some quickie categories. The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food Drink. Swan's Hot Pockets that she makes the first night and then he tosses them. Why were they so bad? I think it was probably different seasoning techniques or lack of. Like, I don't know. They had salt that they would use, but... I just was shocked at how terrible he thought it tasted. it. I mean, it was probably so bland. All he ate was like bear jerky. Yeah. He probably couldn't even, his body couldn't even support anything. I love how he goes over to the horse and he's like, mmm, and he's like, oh, Jesus.

49:17Bill Simmons:Great shot, Gordo Award, most cinematic shot. What do you got? I have the shot of Delgu's head sticking out of the sand as Caleb and Jeremiah come over the ridge there, and it also is like one of the turning points of the movie. Delgu really changes the trajectory of Jeremiah's life in a lot of ways. And I like that they've come out of like this kind of like, they go, you wind up in like the sandy desert for a few minutes out there. Like it's so many different climates and landscapes. Kid Cudi, Pursuit of Happiness, where Best Needle Drop's got to be the ending. Yeah. And some folks say. Chess Rockwell, Brock Lander's word for Best Character Name.

49:59Bill Simmons:Paints his shirt red? Yeah. can I make the case for Jeremiah Johnson? What a fucking great name. Like, just pick a sport where that guy would be the coolest guy. Jeremiah Johnson, like the new wide receiver for the San Francisco 49ers. Can you look on Pro Football Refers really quick and see if there's a Jeremiah Johnson that's come through? I think Jeremiah just needs to come back as a name. Yeah. We have a million Jalens now. We're going to have two Jeremiahs. He had a really good run on this summer. I turned pretty Jeremiah. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's coming back? It fit the music. Yeah. Jeremiah Johnson.

50:34Yeah, good syllables. There was a running back who went to Oregon who played in the NFL for a little bit, Jeremiah Johnson. I need that name back.

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51:28Bill Simmons:Terms apply. So, Dad, CR gets a flex category every episode where he can do whatever he wants. What is it this episode? We usually save this for thrillers and horror movies, but I'm going with when would I have died? I snuck that in for later. I'm glad you're doing this. How long were you going to last? When the snow fell on my fire in the first 10 minutes of the movie, I died. I don't know how to come back from that. Honestly, I freeze to death. If not that, definitely when I fell in the creek fishing yeah i would have just frozen i don't have a change of clothes i don't have a towel there's no i don't have a foil blanket to wrap around me and then certainly when i got buried up to my head uh in the sand by blackfeet warriors that's what i would have died i think i would have died in the mexican war in the movie never would have happened

52:16Bill Simmons:that's a good one though yeah 20 minutes max yeah i wouldn't be able to see i would just but walking in a glass. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for weak link of the film. We mentioned this. Jeremiah's decision to go through the crowbarrow ground. It's never sat right with me in the five decades that I've been watching this movie. I just don't think he would do it. Yeah. Like, he just kind of gets bullied into it by the reverend and the, oh, we got to go through, oh, it's another 20 miles. I just, I know he's trying to help people out, but I don't know, Dad. I'm just, I just think he would know that this is a bad thing to do.

52:52Bill Simmons:We can't do this. I think you would know. He lived in Crow Land in friendship for so many years. I think you would know, don't do this. Don't do this. Well, it's like Steve Ballmer. Like, you have to know. Don't keep giving aspiration the money. Do you think it's the soldier in him still there that, like, sort of responds to the lieutenant? Or maybe... I don't know. He was happy, though. I was thinking it was almost a suicide mission, but no, he was just playing lacrosse with woman and boy. Such a good line when he's like, we can't do this. This is sacred ground to them. And the reverend's like, you can't believe that, can you?

53:37And he's like, it doesn't matter what I believe. They believe it. Yeah, it's true. Yeah,

53:42Bill Simmons:I just don't buy on that. I think that's the weak link. What stage is the worst? I have another weak link. when I watched the movie again, he got an axe in the back. He got a spear in the stomach. Yeah. He almost had his left eye taken out. Yeah. And that doesn't count the 50 fights that we never saw. Yeah. He had no medical attention. No. How did he not die? Big time sepsis risk. Yeah. It's Jeremiah Johnson. He was just a legend. Guy couldn't be brought down. My weakest link is, you know, we get five minutes of an overture and five minutes of credits or a couple minutes of credits. I could have done like five minutes in the town before he takes off.

54:29Maybe one night in the bed of a lady of the evening. Maybe goes to a bar, throws a couple back, hears some stories. You want a whorehouse scene to start out Jeremiah Johnson? I just wanted like in the script, he spends a little bit more time in the town. And so I was just like, there's some idea there. I think that's a really good point because remember when Del Q joins up with him the second time and he, the Indian comes after him out of the, in the nighttime out of the blue. Yeah. He throws the spear at him. Yeah. And he says, is this how it is? One at a time. And then he says to Jeremiah, maybe you should go to the town.

55:05And Jeremiah says, I've been in the town. Yeah. Well, we never saw that. Yeah. Because he dropped the boat and he's like, which way is the mountain?

55:13Bill Simmons:Poker debts. Poker debts. Yeah, Jeremiah got cleaned out. Came up five-card. Five-card stud. What's age the worst? Giving your daughter away as a repayment for a gift. Yeah. Probably doesn't translate to the 2020s. I feel like there would be some TikTok memes about that. It wasn't giving away. It was a trade. It was a trade. He traded his daughter. I mean, like if I traded Zoe. But for some really good scalps. Yeah, true. Yeah, fair. they didn't cast the Native American for the role of Swan they cast somebody named Del Bolton this was her only film she only had one other screen credit a 2002 episode of TV's Monk 30 years later just as on Monk fascinating I don't know how to explain that what's the age of the worst the bear claw Jeremiah scenes I'll just say I wouldn't have subscribed to their podcast

56:18that's a respectful pass from us

56:20Bill Simmons:from the ringer podcast network hey you know bear claw and jeremiah the guys from jeremiah johnson they're pitching a pod they want to talk to people who are successful what about delgue and bear claw delgue now i'm interested in delgue yeah that has kind of a kevin wilde's nick right vibe to it no i think he's on a player podcast yeah Yeah, it's like him, Wemby, and Jeremy Sohan. Just get them going. The three of them. The Ruffalo hand and Ruben and Parch. Oh, wait, I had to watch the age of the worst. Oh, let's hear it. It's a little bit of a cheat. I know you guys love the music. I love the music in this.

56:57But the idea of having a song in the beginning of the movie that kind of lays out the plot of the movie, and I was thinking about why they stopped doing this and what would happen if it was just like, John Wick was a dog dad But then the Russian mob Killed his dog So he dug in the ground Got his guns out And turned into the Baba Yaga They're gonna regret that And then you're like I guess I don't have to watch the movie now

57:25Bill Simmons:Liam Neeson would have been a good one too Elisha Cuthbert's going to the concert Even though a dad doesn't want to He didn't tell him Yeah, that's a really good note She doesn't need to see you too. Albanians looking for her. Bruce Willis was dead the whole time. You're going to want to pay special attention to Kevin Spacey in this movie about criminals. Don't trust his limp. Dad, when did that stop? What's that? When they did a song at the beginning of the movie that explained everything that you were about to see. Probably a good trend to stop. I can't think of another movie after that that did that.

58:12Bill Simmons:Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge Overacting Award. This is another category we had that. Crazy Morning Lady who just lost her family. She dows it up. Yeah, but what's the appropriate amount of grief to be exhibiting in that situation? She exhibited it. Doug Yu, I think, probably is the winner, though, for dowsing it up. He's really going for it. I spent some time with Ruffalo. I did not do They Knew to his face, though. You did? I did not. He's like, are you one of the motherfuckers for that rewatchable spot? Next category. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award.

58:50Bill Simmons:What do you got? This was really hard for me. It's not even that hot. I just think I would have taken two or three more Redford survival movies. that this was an untapped micro genre of his. Between this and All is Lost, he was obviously a big nature guy. And I would have been really... Good athlete? Yeah. He does water in All is Lost. He does the mountains. I would have loved to have had some more outdoors nature stuff. He needed a Mel Gibson ransom type of movie. Where somebody he loves got taken or stolen and he has to go back. and something like that. I thought he was really good at being athletic.

59:31Bill Simmons:He does some running in this movie. Yeah, he does downhill racers. We talked about his great running in general. Yeah. He runs in Three Days of the Condor. I just did some flying in Waldo Pepper, but I would just be into some more solo adventurer. Give me a mountain climber movie. Oh. Yeah? Well, this movie was the right, what was he, mid-30s? Yeah. I mean, great shape, mid-30s, the right age to do this kind of outdoor movie. I can't think of a was there a movie where he played a bad guy no he never ever was a bad guy I don't think is he bad in the Avengers movies or the Captain America movies I can't remember I don't think he's good asking the wrong guy wrong crowd I didn't tell you to do a hottest take right hottest take no No.

1:00:25Bill Simmons:Okay. Well, I have one. So, I did a whole deep dive on when he starts fighting the crows, how many people he killed. And we see 13 kills. And I'll do my take in a second. When he fights the five crows initially, kills two with a shotgun, one with a rifle swing to the head, pulls the guy off the horse, stabs him in the heart, then gets stabbed in the back, shoots the guy who knifes him in the back, cuts the throat of the last guy. So, that's actually six. And then lets the singing death guy go sing his death chant. Turns out great way to get out of being murdered. Tell your homies all about me.

1:01:06Bill Simmons:You just got to remember like a 30 second death chant and people like, Oh shit. I didn't know you were going to do that. I'm going to let you go now. So he's six there. The next two kills, the guy shows up when he's fishing, which is great. When that guy gets off his horse, like it's like a UFC. He needed entrance music. Being like, welcome to the jungle. He just comes in. And then the guy hiding in the snow. This is my guy. I love this guy. How committed was the guy hiding in the snow? What if Jeremiah Johnson doesn't come by? Yeah, what if he fell asleep? Guy's in the snow. Just dressed so he has no clothes on.

1:01:43Bill Simmons:He's just like, this is a good move. So that's eight. And then has the five kill montage that includes throws a guy off a mountain, pummels a guy hockey fight style, shoots a guy, fight someone but we don't see the death and then kills the guy in the water. So it's 13. And then the final kill when he plays dead and sees the guy through the horse's eyes shoots the guy and gets speared. That's 14. My hottest take. That's what we see. Yeah, 14. Well, this leads to my hottest take. Five, six more? How about 13 more? I could have gone to 28 to 30. I could have kept watching this. Not enough kills. John Wick killed like a hundred people were you like John Wick killed too many people in this movie I think it's also just that they keep finding creative ways to do it in the mountain landscape you think they just ran out of ways where was the guy jumping out of a tree on top of him they missed that they didn't do it they missed the guy coming out of the water you second guessing quarterbacks going through their progressions how do you not see your check down right there Somebody under the bed I thought would have been a good one.

1:02:54Bill Simmons:I just feel like they left some murders on the table. Yeah. I like it. All right. Casting what ifs. Dad, the role of Jeremiah was originally intended for Lee Marvin. Oh, no. Yeah, that's a no. And then Clint Eastwood, directed by Sam Peckinpah, and that was in motion. And then Sam Peckinpah, they didn't get along, and Eastwood left, and he did Dirty Harry instead. it. Anybody else you'd rather see in this role or you could imagine in this role? I think McQueen would have been interesting. Yeah. Right. McQueen could have been okay. Not as good as Redford. McQueen could have been very good in the role.

1:03:32He could have done all his physical action stunts and everything.

1:03:35Bill Simmons:I don't know if Burr Reynolds could have pulled it off. Yeah. I can't see him in the wilderness. The other thing with pulling this off is you really have to have the beard game. Who would be another beard actor? There's another aspect of pulling it off. Redford loved nature. His whole life outside of acting was about nature. Being at peace with nature. And the Utah scenery. That's where he ended up anyway. I'm not sure anybody else could have pulled it off. Best that guy award. so Unger from Longest Yard is in this Charles Tiner the bad guy from Longest Yard and then Paul Benedict from the Jeffersons those are the two just as a passing moment the family that moves into the crazy lady her house the daughter is country music star Tanya Tucker right one of the young blonde girls yeah Dion Waiter's award is it Bearclaw or is it Doug U?

1:04:42Bill Simmons:Doug U. Doug U? Doug U. I had to explain what Deion Waiters was to my dad. I don't think he's a big rewatchables listener. But he's a big Deion Waiters watcher, isn't he? Yeah, he enjoyed Deion Waiters. Eastern Conference basketball for the last 15. Peyton Pritchard is now the new Deion Waiters. The committee's still out on that. Recasting Couch Director of City. I made a list of Jeremiah Johnson by the decade. Okay. You ready for this, Dad? Yeah. In 1982, I think it's Harrison Ford. Yes. In 1992, I think it's Daniel Day-Lewis. Yes. 2002 was easier than I expected because it's definitely Russell Crowe.

1:05:24I was waiting for you to say that.

1:05:25Bill Simmons:Russell Crowe, 100 % Jeremiah Johnson. I think he would have been awesome. Yeah. Stuff of legends. Caruso could have played Del Gu. Yeah, Caruso's Del Gu. by the way is there still time to make that 2012 Brad Pitt or Affleck Pitt Brad Pitt for me so 20 in that role 2022 I left open how about Damon in that role though I thought about Damon but I think he loses out to Russell Crowe in 02 and I think he loses out to Pitt in 2012 Pitt's more western to me too and Pitt would have loved the facial hair he would have been like hey the peace pipe scene with the crows like maybe we could use real marijuana for that and make that scene longer 2022 though I couldn't come up with who is Jeremiah Johnson for this decade we need Craig's help Craig what do you got it's because it's not like Chalamet you know who would do it Pratt because he's like kind of like gotten into this the same kind of star though.

1:06:37Like Hemsworth, but again, it's too tainted by the Marvel thing.

1:06:41Bill Simmons:Yeah. It's almost like all the people who are in Marvel. You think Austin Butler could do it? I don't know if he could grow the beard. How tall is he? Six feet? He's decently sized. Is he big enough? Austin Butler? Is he old enough though? I don't think he is. He's like mid-20s now. No, no. Austin Butler's like 35, I think. Austin Butler's 35? I think so. Damn. Could we zag and do the Michael B. Jordan Just Jeremiah's black and it's never explained That would be good Sure Because if we can do that I'm going backwards In Denzel in 1992 The black Jeremiah Johnson History awards What about Ryan Gosling Ryan Gosling I feel like he's become a little too Like Santa Barbara now Oh if they remove the fillers from his face If they cover the facial hair over the fillers maybe I don't think we have a 2020 I think Dawson could have done it though maybe pre Barbie Glenn Powell I can't think of anybody Glenn Powell's too happy I love Glenn Powell but he's too happy I was even thinking like could Teller do it

1:07:53I don't know

1:07:54Bill Simmons:Jeremiah Johnson needs to seem damaged Glenn Powell's too happy I don't know I don't think we have the actor All those men that you just named, they seem like real guys. And now everyone's a little bit too Hollywood. Would you allow a British person to be Jeremiah Johnson? If you wanted to like stab me in the soul. Right. Like Andrew Garfield as Jeremiah Johnson? Just kill me. I'd be so mad. If they remade Jeremiah Johnson with Andrew Garfield, I don't know what I would do, but it would be great. Craig, you have a flex category. What do you got? I want to go back to Great Shot Gordo. You guys didn't, you didn't really touch on the scene.

1:08:29the shot of the bear chasing jeremiah johnson into the cabin is one of the more impressive shots it's a real bear chasing a real guy yeah yeah and they it's like chasing redford and it's the same thing with the wolf attack seems like it's like a stunt guy with a wolf yeah yeah yeah sometimes when you don't have the capability of you know special effects it's even more impressive and it actually looks better and i was i was in shock of that of that long dolly shot just watching the bear go into the cabin. I thought that was incredible.

1:09:01Bill Simmons:Now they would just do it on Sora 2. The bear would be supernatural. I'm going to go home and put a British guy in Jeremiah Johnson and send it to Bill Simmons. I'd be so upset. The bear was actually chasing bear claw. Oh, yeah. A couple half-assed internet research things. Film did nearly 100 locations across Utah. Apparently, Sidney Pollack mortgaged his home. We don't make guys do this anymore. He was just really committed to the filming and they were running out of money and he said, fuck it. Before we stop working with each other, I'm going to do this to you. I'm going to be like, I want to start the Chris Ryan show, but I'll put up my house as collateral.

1:09:43Bill Simmons:I'm going to mortgage my home. And you're like, it's okay. You don't have to do that. It's like, no, no, no. No, no, I want to do it. Just for the story. They said it was so cold that they couldn't really do second takes. and Redford said the crew was pretty miserable but he was very appreciative but they were basically like let's shoot that scene with Bearclaw and it wasn't happening when you watch this movie you're like I don't know how they got the crew out there they must have hauled generators the Jaws thing they just kind of didn't know any better so Dell apparently the tribes back then, they considered people crazy.

1:10:27Bill Simmons:Touched, right? To be untouchable. They were like sacred. So Del would talk to himself apparently because then they would be like, oh, that guy's crazy. We're leaving him alone. And that's when he comes across the woman who's lost her family. He's like, they're not going to bother you anymore because you're touched. Jeremiah Johnson premiered at Cannes, the film festival, and it was the first Western film to ever be accepted in the festival. And then, oh, Redford said, seven cases of frostbite, four cases of strep throat, two cases of pneumonia, and only three cases of Napoleon Brandy. He said he lived there year-round and knew how tough a Utah winner could be, but it ended up being great for the film.

1:11:18I think they tried to give them a bigger budget but encouraged them to shoot, I guess, in California or somewhere else. and they're like we'll take less money as long as we get just enough juice to make them film in

1:11:27Bill Simmons:utah all right they filmed a little bit in arizona yeah yeah apex mountain redford no we already decided it was this thing did that last episode right what about mountains in movies apex mountain for mountains it's pretty good i mean broke back mountain had mountain in the title true No, I think you might be right because of the two and a half minute overture. A lot of Brokeback Mountain takes place off the mountain though. Yeah, true. Thinking about getting back to Brokeback Mountain. That's true. It's always in their minds. The overture of just the wide shot of the mountain for two and a half minutes.

1:12:08Bill Simmons:Yeah, would you say Apex Mountain for mountains, Dad? Yeah. He doesn't even know what Apex Mountain is. I would go with this or the mountain in Alive. Oh Equally difficult Cliffhanger? Oh, Cliffhanger's good one Slice Stallone? Yeah I'm trying to think What other mountains? Well, the Iger Sanction That movie Iger Sanction The Everest How about The Edge With Baldwin and Hopkins? True Sidney Pollack The answer is no What is the answer? I think it's probably Tootsie Okay Because then that leads Tootsie was He crushed that one Not him wearing suspenders with no shirt. Well, that's our Apex Mountain for him.

1:12:49Bill Simmons:You know, Sidney Pollack, the director, who's, I think, a first ballot Hall of Famer as a director, is also an Eyes Wide Shut dad playing a really weird guy in the movie. I didn't know it was, it's a movie I avoided. Yeah, good idea. Smart. Good idea. It's sexually deviant lawyer, good way to put it. Apex Mountain for Crow Barrel Grounds, I'm going to say 100%. 100%. So, Will Gere, who's in this movie, as a as Delgiu? Delgiu? Yeah. Or Bearclaw? I think he's as Bearclaw. Bearclaw. That same year, he began his role as Grandpa on The Waltons. Apex Mountain. Lock it down. Way to go, Will. What a year.

1:13:30Bill Simmons:The Waltons was huge. You know what The Waltons was, Craig? No. Yeah. It was the biggest drama of the 70s. It was set... When was The Walton set? Dad, do you remember? No, I don't remember. I didn't watch it. Big show with your brothers and sisters, though. Yeah, they liked it. That and Little House in the Prairie. Yeah. I don't have any other... Did we ever see Del Q again in another movie? He did not have much of a credits. Yeah, this is... This did not lead to him getting his own show on NBC. Stefan Gersach, and he was in 100 Things, but a lot of TV. Yeah. He's probably a lot of things where he...

1:14:14He's in Dave. Oh. So shout out to that. He's in Miami Vice Season 5, Episode 16, Victim of Circumstance.

1:14:23Bill Simmons:Oh, Bill, you must remember that one. I don't remember that one. I'm bad on Season 5. Yeah, and that's pretty much it. Next category, Dad. Cruise or Hanks? If you could put Cruise or Hanks in this movie, which one would you pick? Hanks. Hanks. Yeah. I went with Cruise because I think it becomes a comedy I don't want a comedy I think I want to see the Cruise version of this more Hanks is the obvious choice but Cruise as Jeremiah Johnson is hilarious it is pretty funny but immediately the Reacher series and Cruise playing Reacher if you've read the books I knew this was going to come up So I can't see Cruz in any of these roles.

1:15:13Bill Simmons:This is the most upset he's ever been. When they cast Tom Cruise as Jack Reacher, it was a violation for my dad. Do you like the Amazon series? Of course he does. What are you talking about? Yeah. I do very much. Yeah. Well, you know what show? There's a show that has checked the most boxes ever for a Dr. Bill show that's coming out in October. What? Boston Blue with Donnie Wahlberg. this is it we finally reached peak it's just Blue Bloods without Selleck but in Boston and my dad loved Donnie Wahlberg in the show and loves Donnie Wahlberg in general is Blue Bloods set in New York or Boston? Blue Bloods is New York this is Blue Bloods in Boston how did they explain the Mark Wahlberg being in Blue Bloods even though he's from Boston part you mean in the original Blue Bloods?

1:16:04Bill Simmons:yeah well they never had to explain it he just was a boston cop in new york for no reason oh you mean no he was never a boston cop in in uh the original blue bloods uh he was a new york city cop so now he's going to boston in boston blue but he's still playing the same character from blue bloods but now he's gonna have an exit well they haven't had the first episode yet so i can't answer the question i thought you were going to say with shows that check his boxes i thought you're going to talk about Landman coming back in November. You like Landman. Yeah, he liked Landman. Now, Boston Blue is the peak for you.

1:16:42I'll let you know. I haven't seen it yet. It's not out yet. Did you see in Landman Season 2, Sam Elliott is playing Billy Bob Thornton's dad? Of course I saw it. Unbelievable. He's like eight years older than Billy Bob Thornton.

1:16:57Bill Simmons:Scorsese or Spielberg for this movie? I had Spielberg, but Silence era Scorsese could do the isolation thing, but I have Spielberg. I had Spielberg as well. Dad, you don't have to weigh in on that. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played in this movie? Doggy. Yeah. Bearclaw. I think he could have gotten Bearclaw, too. All right. Picking Nits. This is where we pick Nits in the movie. We've already done a couple. When his horse died, why didn't he... Is the rule you can't make horse meat if that was your horse? These people are dying to eat anything, right? Can you not then eat your horse because it was your horse?

1:17:40Bill Simmons:Is there some sort of rule? In the snow that when he wakes up and the horse is dead next to him in the camp? That's like five meals. I assume he still had food from the town at that point. Was he running out of food by then? I don't know, but I would definitely eat Murph. I love Murph, but if I had to eat, I'm eating Murph. Wait, that's a dog. Yeah, but if I'm in the wilderness, if I don't have food? why is Murph in the wilderness I'm just saying this domesticated animal that's lived all of its life in the posh part of LA and is like now I'm in fucking Utah Murph is probably in the swimming pool right now what do you have for Nicky pickiness I just think that there ultimately was like a better way of communicating to those guys just how much he is not going to ride for the burial ground like you said the notest take.

1:18:30Bill Simmons:It just drives me crazy. Like you raise your gun. Yeah. It's almost like they had to draw their guns on him and say, we're going through this. He was like, you guys can go. I'm just not doing this. And then he just was like, actually, I changed my mind. I'm going with you. So there's not a lot of nitpicking here other than after seeing what happened to that woman in the beginning of the movie. I just don't think you leave your kid and your wife. What do you have, dad? Do you have a big nitpick? Well, I had a nitpick, you know, when he was leaving the group into the burial ground, And all of a sudden he was stationary, looking like he knew something had happened because he saw Swan's blue trinket on the ground.

1:19:11Well, the timing kind of seemed weird because if I'm the Crow chief, I get upset when he enters the burial ground. Not necessarily when he's leading the group toward the wagon train. so the timing of how did they get that trinket into the burial ground

1:19:33Bill Simmons:he's still going toward the rescue site they're going they immediately kill woman and boy then they have to bring her trinket all the way back yeah that is a good point it just didn't click it's almost like he's seen this movie and it also seems like he goes to the wagon train and immediately turns around and starts heading back here it is, you guys got it my other nitpick I know that the Crows like we established they're 1v1 fighters, right? I just feel like if you're coming again and again somebody's gonna figure out how to beat Jeremiah. There's gotta be some move. What would've been your move?

1:20:11There needs to be some film study. We gotta talk about some of his tendencies.

1:20:15Bill Simmons:Well also, what were the limitations on the Crows? Like, could they just bow and arrow him from far away? I think it was about taking him down It has to be man v. man? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not one of them, you come at a tomahawk, jump out of a tree. Not one time, they caught him off guard. He's taking a dump. He caught him off guard. The guy jumped out of the snow. Yeah. Caught me off guard. What was your take, Craig, watching this? About the fighting? Like, just to the crow. The crow's like, they have Pete Carroll and the Vegas Raiders as their head coach. You know, they had a code, and they lived by it.

1:20:53Yeah. You have to respect that. I, I, my picking it is that I'm not sure I buy that Jeremiah Johnson would have followed the cavalry to go save those people. Like the whole pitch was, he was like, these are Christian people out there, but I feel like Jeremiah Johnson was a man who had given up on religion. He didn't like that. Swan was religious. I don't think it's the, I don't think it's the God part. I think it's the, the soldier's duty part. And maybe to Bill's point earlier about, did he desert? Is there something inside of him? That's like, I didn't, I didn't fulfill a mission. I was given and I let maybe let some people down.

1:21:26I felt like there was something that he felt like he had to do.

1:21:29Bill Simmons:Any other nitpicks? No. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. This is absolutely untouchable. Prestige, would you watch an Amazon show, Dad, of Jeremiah Johnson one season? No. This is a one and done. What about Jeremiah Johnson moves back to town, opens up a hardware store? The Summer I Turned Pretty with Jeremiah Johnson. He founds Home Depot. Yeah, that could work. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trejo, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Longlegs, or Wilford Brimley in The Firm?

1:22:13Bill Simmons:What do you have, CR? Well, number one, it's obviously, this is yours, it's better with Nell. Because the woman that loses her family basically goes Nell. So just Nell is... Just doing that. I like the idea of Collinsworth being like, oh, Mike, this paints his shirt red guy. He gets his guys ready to play. I mean, they keep coming in waves. You're going to have to talk these guys with a tomahawk if you don't want them to come after Jeremiah. They're running stunts, Mike. Look, it's not every blitz is going to work. I'm like Jeremiah I just can't believe how good he is He's like Brian Flores Disguise this guy Brian Flores studied the crow way I'm breaking out a new character for this Fresh off the Monday night Jets Dolphins game Dan Orlovsky I want to see him in this By the way did Schrager ever reach out about my Legend of Billie Jean imitation was that okay with him I don't know if it was okay with him He never reached out it might not have been I guess we'll find out.

1:23:21Bill Simmons:I'll ask him. Dan Orlovsky. I want you to see how Jeremiah takes down the Crows here. Alright, they're playing too high safety so Jeremiah has to go shotgun right away. Pow, pow! Perfect mechanics right there. Then he uses his feet. Watch him use his leverage right here. He knocks that third guy off the horse. No penalty either. Perfect leverage. Exploits the seam. Gets it done. Dan Orlovsky. I love it. just one Oscar who gets it Redford yeah probably unanswerable questions we already did was Jeremiah a Mexican war deserter I have two great ones but did you have one dad probably unanswerable question a little bit you know Jeremiah became friendly and then seemed to be friends with the chief yeah I mean they were trading They smoked a peace pipe.

1:24:19They let him live in their land.

1:24:25I'll never understand why just leading the party the way he did through the burial ground led his, quote, friend to have his wife and son murdered. It just seemed drastic.

1:24:40Bill Simmons:Big leap. It's the law of the land, though. A little over the top. You know what? Both parties were wrong. That's why they settled it at the end with a couple nice gestures. Did you have one? No. I have two good ones. Do you want the amazing one or the good one? Let's go good, then amazing. Okay. Build up to it. Was Bearclaw gay? That's the good one. That's the good one. How's that whole speech about... He had a squaw, right? Once. I never could find no tracks on a woman's heart. I packed me a squaw for 10 years. Meanest bitch that ever bailed for beads. Don't get me wrong. I love the women's.

1:25:23Bill Simmons:I surely do. Why are you protesting? I'm just sitting here listening to your dumb story. I swear a woman's breast is the hardest rock that the Almighty ever made on this earth, and I could find no sign on it. That sounds like the 40-year-old virgin right there. Virgin or gay for bear claw. I don't know. It's one or the other. is Jeremiah dead for the last 20 minutes of this movie is it just a fever dream does he get killed when he gets stabbed in the back no no hold on he's dead and then everything that happens after is the song is just too perfect yeah he kills all these people he goes back he goes back to the old land there's a new family in the house he makes up with the crows and And meanwhile, he's like Top Gun Maverick, dead the whole time.

1:26:11I like it. I think that definitely the filmmaking changes at that point when it starts doing, like, the dissolves into him killing people and the music playing. And it's almost like, is this really happening or is this the story people are telling?

1:26:23Bill Simmons:It's the legend of Jeremiah Johnson. And really the legend is he tried to fight seven crows at once and died. The supposed fable or the story about John Johnson, John liver-reading Johnson, is that after he killed 300 crow or however many, he made peace again with the crows and lived and traded among them. I got it. It'd be hard to get over that. Yeah, it'd be hard to get over that. It'd be hard to sit down at the trading table with that guy. Yeah. You killed my cousin and my nephew. So bear claw, virgin or gay, you're going virgin. Just from the description of breasts, yes. Okay. Yeah, it's a lot like that.

1:27:06They feel like bags of sand.

1:27:09Bill Simmons:He's like, I was dating this one squaw in the Niagara Falls area. Yeah, you would know her. You never met her. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Dad, very important question for you. I think the.50 caliber Hawkins. I had that as well. That's just, I mean, imagine if that was like right there, right now. It's like the gun. I liked his red coat that he wears when it's on the warmer side of things, but you'd have to really delouse that, get the smell out. My second choice was the beautiful coat that Swan made. Oh, the bear coat. That's awesome. Dad was a little sweet on Swan.

1:27:49Bill Simmons:Jesus. I didn't like her. Coach Finstock, our best life lesson is obviously don't pass through a crowbarrow. Yeah, I think that's good. Just don't leave your family alone on the range. there's a good quote though and also if you're Murph don't go on a camping trip yeah we might not have food I decided that when I depart from this life I'd like to leave something at least to be remembered on some man's lodge pole good high school yearbook quote double feature choice what do you have dad you're watching Jeremiah Johnson and then something else what's something else I wanted to watch three movies in a row okay Jeremiah Johnson Outlord, Josie Ruewells, and the Searchers.

1:28:35Bill Simmons:By the way, he's probably done that. I mean, that's in play that that sequence happened. I would probably go with I guess I would go with The Revenant because it's an interesting modern retelling of the same kind of story. I was thinking Last of the Mohicans or The Revenant. One of those two. But The Revenant, I think, it's on the list for rewatchables it's kind of been growing on me who won the movie Robert Redford for me definitely you think Redford's not going to win I think I voted Newman for the sting but do you think Redford's not going to win every movie in Redford month we'll find out still some Redford months left this is the part of the podcast when Craig the producer tells us what he thinks of the movie what did you think Craig fascinating experiment this movie is is as i was watching it i was like this is the most alien to anything that is going on today in hollywood it is fascinating that like this is the furthest thing from what would be commercially successful now yeah um you know look is it an exercise in attention span a little bit yeah it's one of the most gorgeous movies i've ever seen i think it is worth it it is a worthwhile watch just for the visuals to be honest and like i mean this in a complimentary way but it's almost like a screensaver of a movie yeah where it's just kind of on and you can tune in and out and just the landscapes and the cinematography alone is gorgeous i also just love that in 1840s people were still like man i gotta unplug i gotta get off the net yeah he's like i gotta get out i gotta log off in 1840s this is too much the city the war i gotta i gotta unplugged um i also thought this movie was kind of underratedly funny uh redford has some pretty good moments with swan and with the family with the kid it's a funny film yeah when you're really focusing on that so you so a thumbs up it kept your attention yeah i i think it's the it would be the hardest sell you second somebody a little bit during this though there were moments where you have to really i mean i tried right i'm like all right i want to focus and watch this but i think this would be the hardest sell to you know somebody in their 20s or 30s now which i don't think he's saying anything crazy yeah it's hurt my dad's feelings have your kids ever seen this god no yeah like don't you think this would be a really tough movie to tell ben to sit down for two hours and pay attention well that's every movie but yeah especially he also would have gotten up at the intermission like all right that was cool thanks dad i'm glad him and woman and boy made it the intermission also came with like 30 minutes left i found that odd that was very strange Why wasn't it in the middle?

1:31:15I do think it's a very, very good time to be like, you're not going to want to get up for the last 30 minutes of this.

1:31:21Bill Simmons:Yeah. I'm changing my double feature answer. I think it's Cast Away. Okay. I think I'll go Jeremiah Johnson Cast Away. For solo runs. That's like five hours of just hanging out with the movie. All right, Dad. You know, I was thinking kind of what he just said. I'm not sure Hollywood would make this movie today. No way. No. they would have the crow feud would be two thirds of the movie the closest thing would be The Revenant it was very much an action movie and they sold The Revenant like Leo fights a bear yeah this is like Robert Redford rides around this movie is about solitude for the first hour yeah there's no question the last half hour of the movie would be an actual hour and a half but I think in 1972 people were like hell yeah brother I gotta get out of this fucking city I gotta unplug Yeah.

1:32:10Any last words, Dad? I enjoyed being part of this because obviously it's one of my favorite movies, but it's a little bit of food for thought. The Vietnam thing I hadn't really thought about in years, but I think you're right on target. And that might have led to why some people wanted to watch it. Yeah. We don't have that right now. You know, we have other stuff going on, but I just can't see this film being made today, which is a shame and maybe that's why I re-watch it when it comes on Dr. Bill what would be you've done Shawshank and Jeremiah Johnson is there any other white whale out there that you still want to do for re-watchables have you well one of my top have you done Josie Whales

1:32:55Bill Simmons:no maybe that would be the next one that's his other favorite movie those are your three favorite movies Josie Whales Jeremiah Johnson and Shawshank probably the natural number four yeah probably and maybe Hoosiers number five we have to rehoosh one of these days my dad wanted me to be a baseball player we were the best damn one I ever saw the best damn hitter I've ever seen suit up dad pleasure as always go Red Sox thank you thanks to Craig and Gahau as well and we'll be back with Redford Month next week

1:33:40We'll be right back.