‘RoboCop’ (1987) With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

14:54Bill Simmons:The Lions are being bad and paving their way for Barry Sanders. Anyway, great time for Detroit. And then Verhoeven. So big Dutch filmmaker in the 70s. did multiple rucker howard movies overseas dutch have we done a movie with rucker howard yet have you done blade runner i don't think we have yeah i don't think so either i i don't i can't think of a rucker howard movie well the one that we would do is nighthawks if we wanted to go stallone billy d williams stallone trying to uh kind of zag trying to zag away from rocky i don't

15:27Kyle Brandt:know how you feel about night hacks uh i'm in a night hawks i'm in the lady hawk as well i like

15:32Bill Simmons:all that stuff yeah so how are that he was basically like dutch robert redford even though he was german whatever but he was in all these different movies that verhoeven did um so he bangs out robocop total recall and basic instinct in a six-year run those are three movies in a row that he made that we have now all done in the rewatchables little horny uh apparently an complete asshole on the set. Didn't really understand how American film sets worked and just yelled at everybody until people rebelled. And then after Basic Instinct, an all-time classic, created a historical epic based around the Crusades that would have starred Arnold Schwarzenegger.

16:14Bill Simmons:It went into pre-production in 1993 and then our guys from Carrico pulled funding from the project because they were going back up. We're back. Yet another podcast with Carol Coe. The boys are back in town. Their bankruptcy cost us an Arnold Schwarzenegger, Paul Verhoeven Crusades movie.

16:34Kyle Brandt:Yeah. See, I bet the Carol Coe financiers, there was a scene in the Crusades movie where one of the women was topless and had three breasts and they couldn't afford it for the budget. So they're like, I'm sorry, Paul. You can't bring her back. She's still goaded, but we just can't afford it. That blew up the whole project.

16:50Bill Simmons:Well, he got pissed and ends up ripping off showgirls a year later. Starship Troopers and Hollow Man. And then it kind of ends for him. But he's got like a nice 15-year run there of movies I would watch on cable. Starship Troopers, what's your relationship with that one?

17:04Kyle Brandt:Love Starship Troopers, love Johnny Rico. Hilarious football scene, co-ed shower scene, a lot to liken that. Neil Patrick Harris with a machine gun. Bill, when the call comes in for Starship Troopers, full disclosure here, when I was a freshman on the college on the football team, the seniors all nicknamed me johnny rico after after castor bandian save it for the starship

17:26Bill Simmons:troopers podcast i mentioned 87 as one of the great rewatchables years and we've done a few of these the number of movie that year by uh in in your releases was three men and a baby

17:41Kyle Brandt:directed by leonard nimoy inexplicably yes spock directed that movie everything about that movie

17:46Bill Simmons:is inexplicable. I don't even know what would happen if that guy, like, could that even be an Amazon scripted show now? Three men and a baby?

17:53Kyle Brandt:Such a weird premise. You're talking about three, I don't know, like losers who all live together, who are 40 years old, have a baby. And inexplicably in the middle of the movie, there's a cocaine plot line that I'm not even sure why it's there. And then Spock directed it. There's a ghost kid in the background. There's all kinds of shit going on with that movie.

18:11Bill Simmons:Yeah. I mean, you, you didn't hit the key premise hard enough that these three dudes who were like 38, 41, and 43. I'll just live together. And we're all single. And just this baby shows up. Anyway, that was our number one movie. Fatal Attraction, Beverly Hills Cop 2, Good Morning Vietnam, Moonstruck is our top five. Untouchables, Secret of My Success, Stakeout, Lethal Weapon, Dirty Dancing, Predator. Bangers. Jesus. Dragnet, La Bamba, Robocop, Outrageous Fortune, Broadcast News, Living Daylights, Eddie Murphy Raw, Planes, trains and automobiles full metal jacket wall street mannequin roxanne blind date the running man space balls summer school you must have loved summer school who did mark harman mr come on hell yes no way out we've done that one uh the lost boys can't buy me love princess bride baby boom tin man black widow that's just our top 50 and that's where you get into raising arizona and Big Easy and Angel Heart and Over the Top came out that year.

19:14Bill Simmons:Less than Zero. Just like Someone to Watch Over Me, we've done, Jesus Christ, Kyle Brandt. You mentioned Over the Top

19:20Kyle Brandt:as like 30th billion on that. It's not even above the fold. More good movies in one year than we've had in the last 25 years. I love you, Sean Fennessey. I'm sorry. That was an incredible list that Bill just rattled off.

19:31Bill Simmons:Rewatchable movies too, like movies that could just be on cable all the time. So kudos to 1987. seven kudos to this movie with i'm gonna call it a that guy tsunami let's go let's get into it it's so good i got a bunch of them there's there's that guys who stopped being that guys ronnie cox became ronnie cox yeah kurtwood smith smith became kurtwood smith smith i don't know if miguel ferrer became miguel ferrer or he just became that guy who i knew from this movie and five other movies it depends i know him as miguel ferrer but i don't know i don't know him as miguel

20:08Kyle Brandt:ferrer okay that's the way but i i think of him he's in some stuff he's a great actor he's the

20:12Bill Simmons:robocop guy for me so he is uh bob morton in this movie yeah yeah who has the uh cocaine threesome when he's storing cocaine off the cleavage which was a mid-80s staple kurtwood smith is in this and in then two years later three years later the dad and dead poet society i'm just let's do this now who's the bigger villain because he plays in this movie he plays clarence boddicker yeah and then he plays neil's dad in dead poet society who drives neil to to uh offing himself and finds his body in the office says neil neil my boy my boy it's a terrible i hate that guy so much i hate

20:55Kyle Brandt:that guy more than clarence boddicker all right this is this is a first round knockout clarence boddicker is the drug addicted psycho asshole who torture murders a cop and neil's dad is 50 times worse yeah drives his kid to suicide because he doesn't want him to be in the goddamn play even though he shows talent and people say that that kurtwood smith is like the nicest most generous person i never watched that 70s show i know he's massive in that but they're like he could not be

21:20Bill Simmons:a nicer guy to work with what a great actor drove neil to his death terrible and then ronnie cox who is Bogomil in Beverly Hills Cop 1 and 2. He's in Beverly Hills Cop 2 in 1987 as he finally gets to play a bad guy. He plays a bad guy for Verhoeven in this and then Total Recall. Yeah, and loves being the bad guy

21:41Kyle Brandt:and is great at the bad guy.

21:43Bill Simmons:But then we have that redheaded guy from ER. Yeah. Eventually, he's walking with a cane in ER a million years later. You know that guy. He plays your guy, Emil, in this.

21:55Kyle Brandt:Emil, yes.

21:56Bill Simmons:who ends up dying in toxic waste.

22:00Kyle Brandt:I can't wait to talk about that scene. Emil also had a one-season run as, I think he was Jack Bauer's brother in 24. Like, I love that guy. I don't know his name, but he's Emil, and he's also a great actor.

22:10Bill Simmons:What, are you a college boy? It's great. He's always up to stuff. Nancy Allen is the female cop in this. So has this, she's married to Brian De Palma. She's in Dressed to Kill. She's in Blowout. uh she earlier on was in carry has this whole run this is kind of where it's about to end for her and verhoeven because he um wanted this movie to be as asexual as possible told her to gain weight which she did by a dot not smoking anymore and then just kept giving her a haircut until they gave her the one she liked and they basically like they cagney and lacyed her just just full-fledged and there's no sexual attention at all we have to stop the clock

22:52Kyle Brandt:I had it. When does when does Lewis's hair first come up in the pod? I knew this was going to be a point of conversation. It's an important conversation. If you had the under, I think you won. Kept making her cut her hair like five times to desexualize her. And my take on it. I think it's awesome. It's a total zag. Why have some like, I don't know, some sex pot in the female lead instead of a person who actually like a Sharon Stone. She's sitting right there. She was coming. They were all coming. He's horny as hell. And despite that, he's like, no, let's have the cop be a badass female cop. They weren't doing that back then.

23:27Kyle Brandt:They just weren't. You choose some Baywatch-looking girl, and she goes, and she's hot, and they have a sexual tension. Not at all. Lewis is a cool character. I like her.

23:35Bill Simmons:Well, he had some vision for the future that was basically asexual. Because that locker room scene that's near the beginning is important. The police locker room. And just, we see guys' asses. All of a sudden, there's a naked lady. They're all together. And nothing is sexual at all.

23:49Kyle Brandt:No. And he ran that back to Starship Troopers. He likes the co-ed showers. I don't know. Sometimes I go to a restaurant now, especially in New York. More than ever, when you go back to the bathrooms, there's not men's and women's. There's just bathrooms. And everybody waits. I did it last night. Verhoeven was all over that. But there's not a men's and women's room. That's where I went last night. You just wait with everybody.

24:09Bill Simmons:There's one place in Boston where it's a giant bathroom. And there's just different stalls. But it's men and women and then the common sink. And it's, you know.

24:18Kyle Brandt:Is that Fenway Park?

24:18Bill Simmons:Come out of your, no, no, it's the Quinn, this place in Boston. Oh, the Quinn, yeah. You come out of one and you could be like, you could have been talking to somebody like in the bar and she's coming out of the other stall after you're sort of blowing it up. Like that's, you know, I don't know. And she comes out, she's got toilet paper on her foot

24:36Kyle Brandt:and she just blew up that thing. And you're like, oh no, what's that over there? You run out. Hey, I got to run.

24:40Bill Simmons:My dad called, he's getting surgery tomorrow. And then Peter Weller, who just kind of became RoboCop. I don't even know what else you would know him from.

24:50Kyle Brandt:I had this conversation ready. I have never seen a Peter Weller film that is not Robocop. And he's done a lot. He also was in a season of 24, but I am a one-character guy for Peter Weller. All due respect to Peter Weller, like theater actor, very conscious guy. I don't have it, Bill. I'm sorry. I don't know the other stuff.

25:09Bill Simmons:Well, there's some great stuff we have coming up for him later about some of his choices he made on the set in this movie that I can't really talk about. Come on. 13.4 million dollar budget made 53 million two sequels then the remake in 2014 with joel kinnaman and abby cornish what's your relationship with that movie no relationship uh my relationship is

25:30Kyle Brandt:when you scan the cast holy shit they spent money michael keaton's in that movie sam jackson's in it uh gary oldman just picking up a check as the scientist like they're like we went cheap on robocop so give us all the big money guys and still you know what they know what they did they rated it fucking pg-13 get out of here with that get out of here give me an r my shade just fell

25:52Bill Simmons:i saw it it was like god looked down on you look at that that was dramatic phil i'm gonna fix it when we go to break the roger ebert three stars most thriller and special effects movies come right off the assembly line you can call out every development in advance and usually be right robocop is a thriller with a difference um raj i gotta be honest could it could have gone three and a half stars there raj absolutely could have thrown in the half star for how ahead of the time this movie was but whatever

26:24Kyle Brandt:um yeah when we get to like what's age the worst i'm looking at you bud i don't have a ton of what's age the worst i've had a lot of what you're gonna you're gonna carry the day on that one yeah We're going to take a break.

26:34Bill Simmons:I'm going to fix my shade. This is my last podcast in here before the shades. We have actual shades and we'll be back in a second. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Having the right people in your corner make all the difference. Just think of all the people we cycle in and out as co-hosts here on the rewatchables. I send texts. Hey, you like this movie? Hey, you like that movie? All of a sudden, Van Lathan's like, I love that movie. Chris Ryan's like, I love that movie. And by the way, can we do Hunt for Red October again? uh like those people state farm is there to help you choose the coverage you need with so many coverage options it's nice knowing you have help finding what fits for you go online at statefarm.com or use the award-winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor state farm is there all right first category most rewatchable scene murphy i listen this probably isn't even in the running, but I love when Murphy shows up for his first day.

27:31Bill Simmons:I love the 80s police stations. We've talked about this before. They're action-packed. Shit's going down. Wisecracks left and right. Bad guys just wander in and get beaten up. I like any time a cop says to another cop, welcome to hell. Feels like a staple. Nancy Allen gets to kick someone's ass. I don't know. I just enjoy those police station scenes.

27:53Kyle Brandt:There's always perps being pushed through across camera One of them always fights one of the cops. And then you have the really grumpy ranking officer who's tired of this shit. Always the same thing. And the shirt that Murphy walks in with is so 1987. I almost thought about picking it for the most 1987 thing. Silk top button patterned. That scene is really fun to watch.

28:15Bill Simmons:I don't know. I don't think police stations move that way anymore. It's probably like way harder to get into. There's probably all these checks and balances. and but back then it just felt like anybody could just wander in and take a swing at a cop

28:29Kyle Brandt:anytime you want and i also don't think the cops brought the the perps in or just like book them and throw them against the desk and then walk out like that they always do that in tv shows but i

28:37Bill Simmons:think it's probably really rigorous yeah my favorite movie ever 48 hours there's a whole after uh all the cops get wasted in the hotel and kate's goes back to the station and he's just wandering around he's barking at people he's he's getting yelled at by his boss and he's trying he's looking at henry wong's photo and he's just it's just moving in this way that i just don't think

28:58Kyle Brandt:they do it it's always three it's always murphy my office now it's just simple commands it's that's

29:05Bill Simmons:the whole vibe god i love that shit uh next scene is uh are we calling it ed 209 or ed 209 ed 209 yeah when do you think they moved it from ed to ed i think it was just sitting there and i think it

29:20Kyle Brandt:They had a lot of problems with that 209, as we know. But I think it was late in production. A lot.

29:26Bill Simmons:Oh, Detroit has a cancer. This demo of 209. Big loser, Mr. Kinney. Who wants to volunteer? There's 20 people at the table. Mr. Kinney's like, I'm going to get some brownie points for this one. I'd love to volunteer. This is the 20 seconds when they realize it's malfunctioning. You now have 15 seconds to comply. You are in direct violation of legal code 113, section 9. You now have 5 seconds to comply.

30:08Kyle Brandt:You have 15 seconds and the mock pit breaks out?

30:12Bill Simmons:And Mr. It's chaos. I like when they're throwing them back. Yes. The best part, he gets shot, I don't know, 40 times. This is where Verhoeven's like, you're in for a ride today. And the guy's lying on the table. He's got 40 bullet holes. And somebody goes, somebody want to call a goddamn paramedic? It's like, we're past the paramedic.

30:35Kyle Brandt:They got to laugh out loud in the screening when he did that. I wonder who that actor is. I mean, what a line. What a fucking line. so like dick i'm very disappointed that's what dick's boss says you're disappointed that ed 209

30:48Bill Simmons:put 40 bullets into one of your board members that's a bummer for you there's that and then

30:54Kyle Brandt:there's there's bob morton in the elevator and they're like too bad about kenny right hey that's life in the big city no it's not he's fucked life in the big cities you can't find affordable housing what you just saw was a tragedy what are you doing i also feel like you're not in the elevator

31:09Bill Simmons:like four minutes after that happens. No, no, no, no, no, no. I would say that has to be in the running for the single craziest board meeting anyone's ever had. Yeah, there's another one coming to the end of the movie. Yeah, we're going to demonstrate it to O 'Nein, everybody. Oh, what was the guy's name? Oh, Kenny's dead. What happened to Kenny? He got shot 42 times. We had a malfunction.

31:33Kyle Brandt:You're so right about Kenny, too. He volunteers as if he's like at a magic show and gets to go off and close his eyes and be hypnotized. He's so excited to be up there. Because you know if you're at a kid's birthday or something, you're like, come on, Dad, help us out. And you'd feel like a celebrity because we're on stage. All his bosses are there. He's like, I can't wait. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to show off. And the next thing, they're ripping the cables out of the production board for Ed 209.

31:54Bill Simmons:It's an unbelievable scene. Listen, I'm just telling you right now, that's my number one. When that movie, when RoboCop's in the beginning and that's coming, it's like, oh, man. I gotta see what happens with Ed 209 this next one this is just ripping off rewatchable scenes coming out of the gate the car chase Clarence Boddicker's lair great warehouses in the 80s in movies we always had there's never any workers they're always empty but they always have all these things and there's always cranes and things and then Murphy ends up dying it's always

32:32Kyle Brandt:what should we do for the final act I don't know. How about a shootout in the steel mill? Yeah, that's perfect. It's always that. A lot of places to hide.

32:40Bill Simmons:There's like elevation. You could have bad guys looking down. You could have guys getting shot, falling over the walkways.

32:47Kyle Brandt:Lava. And as we find out, like a giant 5 ,000 gallon thing of toxic waste that we'll talk about. I saw Murphy's death, I think on cable or video when i was in maybe fifth grade really really upsetting to me i watched it way too young um so where do you where do you come out because weller is like is acting his ass off do you think it's like is it funny to watch him because he's acting so hard or does it

33:15Bill Simmons:mess with you like when you watch it you know what i well a couple things they're in the van in the van chase and Clarence throws out one of the bad guys. He goes, can you fly, Bobby? Can you fly, Bobby? Whips him out of the car. Great line. Which has been repeated since in other movies. Like Cliffhanger did it. There's been, but I do feel like they invented the move of to show how evil the lead evil guy is. He just immediately sacrifices one of the henchmen. But then that leads to all the other people that work for him got to be like, well, what? he just killed Bobby like am I next like how would you be able to stay loyal to Clarence at that

33:57Kyle Brandt:point hey don't burn the fucking money he was he was so pissed he burnt the money and I I feel like I would be pissed too I empathize with Clarence there like yeah he just pulled out the all the fucking money has burnt you idiot it's like the poor man on the on the group project who messes

34:12Bill Simmons:the whole thing up i get yeah well uh anyway you you asked yeah am i scarred by that scene

34:20Kyle Brandt:like were people laughing in the theater or are they horrified i'm wondering because it's very

34:23Bill Simmons:the worst part of it it's weird it's not the 30 times he gets shot the first one where he shoots his hand when he's he's like moving the gun around like he's gonna shoot him and you're like oh he's just fucking with him and then he just fucking blows off his hand and weller's like oh i know I think that is weirdly the worst part of it. Because then after that, you know he's going to die. No, it's – I had a – I think this is the okay motherfucker award for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch. I don't think it's ED – it's not ED209. You don't think it's ED? I don't. I actually think it's this because ED209 is still fun and comic-y and, you know, that's such a ridiculous scene.

35:06Bill Simmons:This is like, oh, my God. they fucking just murdered the main guy 10 minutes in and horribly i i think it's so funny you

35:15Kyle Brandt:mentioned the okay motherfucker because like some of the secrets of this movie is i think that the okay motherfucker moment has like a there's like four or five moments of those where you're like it's just like even in the last in the in the last 10 minutes when you get toxic waste guy and the car hits him you're like jesus they just did it again i didn't even need that i was ready for the credits it has five of them and certainly like the execution is one i still watch it and he blows his hand off i think weller's acting is is so good and so heartbreaking like i feel terrible for him i i was disturbed as a kid i was disturbed now it's it's uh it's one of the hardest scenes to watch of violence like i think in film history i think it's very difficult to

35:53Bill Simmons:watch yeah from an okay motherfucker standpoint and this movie does have like five or six it is almost like a great professional wrestling match we were like man that that bump like a ladder match wow that bump they took that was amazing that's got to be the peak and then finally we peak with toxic waste guy which is coming up in a little bit um robocop's first day we get the i'd buy that for a dollar guy we get him wiping out the convenience store robber we can you can you explain the i'd buy that for a dollar guy what's going on with those tv shows

36:37Bill Simmons:it's an incredibly important question so mid 80s is right as they're trying to spruce up local ads and cable ads and like the one in new york that was the big one was crazy eddie it's like crazy Eddie and you can watch some of those on YouTube that was one of the first ones I remember but the ads were like really grab you by the throat just like nutty ads so I think they're trying to say it's only gonna get nuttier right it's the wacky commercial there's some like

37:06Kyle Brandt:some Benny Hill stuff going on and I think they're just looking at like television in the future is just gonna be like boobs and stupid catchphrases it's like that Ricky Gervais character you're having a laugh. It's really stupid. And they think it's funny. The guy that they got to do that, I'll buy that for a dollar, was this K-Rock personality who just did wacky characters. And he just, the I'll buy that for a dollar line. No one who made the movie really knew that was going to be a thing, but it became this recurring thing. And the joke is, I guess, I don't really believe you. But when you talk about RoboCop, invariably someone says, I'll buy that for a dollar.

37:41Kyle Brandt:That's usually the line they say.

37:42Bill Simmons:I think it's the most famous line from the movie. More than any RoboCop lines. I agree with you. Yeah, I think it is. Well, the most famous shot in the movie is when he shoots the rapist in the crotch. No doubt. He's got a killer. He's got a killer.

38:07Bill Simmons:Your move, creep. By shooting through the woman's legs in the skirt. I got to be honest. It's one of the great shooting scenes for our good guy hero in any movie. Like, aiming it through. I don't know if it could happen with a human. It's got to be RoboCop. And then he, you know, tells her right about the crisis center right afterwards. Just by the way. With a heart. Yeah.

38:30Kyle Brandt:See, to me, that's another okay motherfucker. Like, that, you jump out of your seat when he does that. Unanswerable question. God forbid. Do you think anywhere there is ever a police officer who's tried that move because they were inspired by RoboCop? I fucking hope not. because like you said, he has a computer targeting system. Take it easy, guys.

38:49Bill Simmons:Please do not emulate this. We have Mayor Gibson's office. Yep. Deranged former city councilman Ron Miller is in there and RoboCop just cleans him out. And then it all goes right to Lisa Gibbons. RoboCop. Who is he? What is he? I have some Lisa stuff going up. I can't wait to talk about Lisa. Was Lisa important for you? Yeah, I can't wait to talk about it. RoboCop returns to his house. I have, that's when the movie starts to have the human piece to it. Right. Like after, and he's like, I, uh, getting these flashbacks. You love that part.

39:24Kyle Brandt:Do you, do you, let me ask you this. If there was going to be a P break, this is it. Do you get P break vibes from him going back to his house?

39:30Bill Simmons:I write, but I think the whole part when they're, uh, kind of assembling him before he becomes RoboCop is a good P break. This is like, maybe he makes some popcorn right here.

39:39Kyle Brandt:Yeah. It's, um, it has, you have to have the scene. Like it's the heart. and all that. And I like the computers, like the monitors with the talking realtor in there and everything. I wish they had those for real. But if you were going to pee break, this would be it.

39:53Bill Simmons:Here's why it's important, though. You need it because it all leads to the payoff at the end. Yeah. Murphy. I'm cashing you out, Bob, is the next one. This includes Bob, I guess, headed for a cocaine-fueled threesome. yeah yeah we get some cleavage snorting which i think was a big 80s thing i'm not sure are people still doing that what's the click craig craig is the cleavage snorting still in the 2000s 2020s well my birthday's tomorrow so i'll let you know what goes down in man happy birthday okay

40:27Kyle Brandt:good luck no now they they line up some zins on the breasts and they just tuck them into their lips like that however you do that shit craig i don't know how to do it but uh i think of i think um wolf of wall street is is kind of probably apex for breast cocaine cocaine line snorting

40:42Bill Simmons:margot robbie great point i have no notes robocop crashes the clarence cocaine party and then the cocaine factory yep um i love the oh i forgot to mention in the in this because we have clarence killing bob miller right he blows him up with the grenade yep but when he tells the girls to leave he does the bitches leave unbelievable entrance puts the dvd in little i'm not sure like aren't you worried maybe they could recover the dvd and scrub it and we could do that in 19 i don't know if that was i would have taken the dvd out before i blew the house up

41:18Kyle Brandt:when he when he takes out that dvd it was like holy shit what is that thing it was like he took out like a some sort of magical wand or something no one could believe that a cd could play a video in 1987. It was, it blew you away about the technology. And then that's a really good point.

41:35Bill Simmons:We didn't have DVDs until 10 years later.

41:38Kyle Brandt:No, it was, so I guess it was a CD. It was a DVD.

41:42Bill Simmons:Did this movie invent DVDs? I think it did, dude. I think it did. I'd never seen one before that. Yeah. Cause if it was a DVD, it would have taken him like three minutes to play it. He would have been like, hold on, hold on. Just wait a second. Oh, I'm back in

41:56Kyle Brandt:Dick Jones commentary of video. Yes. Menu.

42:01Bill Simmons:But then we get the cocaine factory, Robocop killing everybody. It has one of my favorites from the 80s, and I feel like we've lost it. The bad guy who gets shot falling backwards shooting the next bad guy. I feel like we've lost the narrative on those.

42:17Kyle Brandt:Let's bring that back. If you were a bad guy in the 80s who was shot by a weapon, you would always shoot as you were falling down. You had to shoot up or shoot sideways.

42:26Bill Simmons:Yeah.

42:27Kyle Brandt:Or spin. Spin. Because then like the whole posse goes. I do have to call attention to something in that scene. It's the Marion Cobretti cutting pizza with scissors award for someone has to step in and say this would never happen. Why is the greasy drug lord walking around the coke house with like an estate cabernet in his wine glass? And then why when Clarence puts his fingers through it, does he keep drinking? That whole scene reeks of Cobra and the scissors and the pizza. It doesn't make any sense. It's ridiculous. Do we have that award or did you just invent it? Just made it up. Top of my head.

43:00Kyle Brandt:Top of my head. Craig, write that down. That's a good award. Why didn't anyone intervene on the set? Yeah. Someone needs to step in and say, guys, this would never happen. The Cobra Eating Pizza with Scissors Award. The wine thing is they tried to give the guy a prop to make him like a Bond villain. It doesn't work. It's this stupid sequence with the fingers. What are we doing?

43:19Bill Simmons:You're Clarence Boddicker. You're the king of, I'm writing this down in the rewatchables category. I really want to add that. So what is it called? Do you think the.

43:28Kyle Brandt:It's called the Marion Cabretti Cutting Pizza with Scissors Award.

43:32Bill Simmons:Yeah. Okay.

43:34Kyle Brandt:I got it. For something that would never happen.

43:36Bill Simmons:Yeah. That's a great award. Great job. Thank you. Really earned your keep already. We don't have so much of the podcast left. That's now you're just like, we have a 38 to seven lead. Yeah. Well, we haven't even gotten a hot take yet. We just run the ball. Like we don't even need to do anything else now. All right. I have Robocop takes his helmet off that whole scene. The bad guys blowing up stuff while evil laughing. Mentioned that earlier. I like it. And then the big shootout. Let's talk about toxic waste of meal. Awesome.

44:14Kyle Brandt:Oh, Bill, yours is perfect. That's better than your now. That's your best impression. Step aside, long legs.

44:23Bill Simmons:Toxic waste of meal. Might have to add him into the long legs part.

44:26Kyle Brandt:And how great is this boy when he goes, don't touch me, man. That's exactly what you would say.

44:33Bill Simmons:Exactly. They also, with his death scene, he hits the car, hits him, and his head just immediately comes off, hits the car. It's like a watermelon. They said they filmed that, and it was like an unexpected bonus when the head went forward and hit the windshield. they were hoping it would happen but they didn't know and then that happened and then uh sign our robocop and then i guess the end where he he uh he kills dick jones dick jones and uh in the end with murphy so what do you got for most rewatchable scene it's definitely not the

45:05Kyle Brandt:the torture of murphy um listen the the bob morton's apartment from start to finish is a perfect scene of sex drugs rock and roll and verhoeven was just cooking yeah i love that one but robocop's in it so what was your suggestion for it was the between the

45:21Bill Simmons:shot right i have a ed 209 i just think that's when the movie is really grabs you by the balls

45:29Kyle Brandt:and takes and is like we're coming for a ride so imagine that you picked that as the most rewatchable scene and robocop's not even in it and i get it like that that's this movie it's awesome craig what'd you have for most rewatchable scene it's honestly i love all the boardroom

45:43Bill Simmons:scenes. I love the people who work in the office, all these loser guys. The guys saying, that's life in the big city. Awesome. Love all that. It's very Succession, Waystar, Logan Roy. You can see Ed 209 coming in because Roman's like, Dad, I got this new idea for crime robot Ed 209. And then the robot shoots Carl. What's the most 1987 thing about this movie? A lot of options. What do you got? The stop motion robot special effects, which were very.

46:17Kyle Brandt:Do you like them? Do you like now watching it?

46:19Bill Simmons:I thought way better than Terminator. Terminator's three years earlier. I just thought, I don't know. It's kind of charming. It's now they would be, you know, 100 % better.

46:28Kyle Brandt:I adore him. It's the guy. He's like the goat of stop motion. Phil Tippett's the guy who did the chess scene in Star Wars. He did the walkers and Empire Strikes. He's like the Michael Jordan of stop motion did Dead 209. I think charming is the word. I like it. It kind of still is cool and I like it better than all the CGI. I like it. Stands up.

46:46Bill Simmons:Me too. Over the top 80s street thugs, that's in there. Somebody watching eight TVs through a window on the street is very 80s. When was the last time somebody watched eight TVs in a window in a store? I don't know. No store would put the TVs in the window because somebody would just break the window and take the TVs. Correct. Plus you have the plasmas. There would be like no way to do it. You couldn't even sit them up. Lee Iacocca Elementary School is snuck in there. Great pull. Could have won.

47:13Kyle Brandt:That's a little Easter egg. You don't catch the first time around with RoboCop.

47:16Bill Simmons:Could have won. Falling out of a building backwards with the... Because Die Hard has it too. I feel like that was some sort of era for that shot. It always looked fake. But your winner is Lisa Gibbons. She's the most 1987 thing about this movie. Talk about it. Let's go. I love Lisa. I mean, Lisa... So Mary Hart's in there. Mary Hart, I think, has... you know, kind of, kind of killing. I forget when Mary Hart joined entertainment tonight, but it was before where they were kind of on each other's corner. When did Mary?

47:46Kyle Brandt:80s. I would say what 88. She and John Tess used to hold it down. I remember Mary Hart.

47:52Bill Simmons:All right. I'm looking on Wikipedia. She.

47:59Bill Simmons:Yeah. We're in the 86 range. So she was earlier than Lisa Gibbons. Okay. Lisa comes in. And it's a little, Mary Hart's like, she's established. Like she's about to be in a Seinfeld episode when Kramer hears her voice. Like she's the OG. Lisa Gibbons comes in. It's a little ultimate word, Hulk Hogan. Like I have, I'm going to come in. My entrance ends are going to be louder. I'm going to be bringing a little more. There was a little more sex appeal with Lisa and she had a great run. And every high school kid had a crush on her in the 80s. I'll tell you that much. Including this guy right here. I can tell.

48:34Kyle Brandt:And it's not Lisa, it's Lisa. L-E-Z-A.

48:37Bill Simmons:Yeah, there's like an automatic, just felt a little, a little pornish, a little stripperish. Just the name gave her like this extra, extra sauce. Meanwhile, she's competing against Mary Hart, right? All American. The least sexual name. It's like Lisa Gibbons.

48:54Kyle Brandt:But I always dug her. There's a funny red carpet moment when James Gandolfini was still alive and he ran into Mary Hart and she's trying to interview Tony Soprano. And he says to her, you were my childhood crush. Like he loved Mary Hart. Wow. personally, I was a Nancy O'Dell guy. Still am for life. Love Nancy O'Dell in that circuit. Love her. Wonderful woman.

49:13Bill Simmons:What's age the best? We mentioned in future crime-ridden Detroit. We mentioned Kurt Rydsmith playing a bad guy. Yeah. Where do you stand on Dead or Alive, You Are Coming With Me? Murphy says it, then Robo says it. I enjoy that they have the callback.

49:28Kyle Brandt:I like the callback. I like the writing. It's, listen, this is a lot of times, this is one of many times we'll talk about this. This movie comes up against Terminator and it's kind of the version of I'll be back. It sets up deliberately to be a catchphrase. It's short, concise, it works. And when he says it the second time at the gas station and Emil recognizes it, it's a really good moment. His acting is really good in that scene.

49:47Bill Simmons:I have a bunch of other ones.

49:48Kyle Brandt:Do you have any What's Age the Best you're passionate about? Yeah, I'm passionate about two villains in a movie is awesome. I think that works. Oh, double villains. You have Dick Jones. Think about Dark Knight has two villains. Silence of the Lambs has two villains. Return of the Jedi has two villains. and you kill one and then there's still business to take care of i think that works a lot and it really works here with derek jones with dick jones and uh bodiker so like two elite pass rushers in

50:15Bill Simmons:the nfl but better it's like the 96 packers had sean jones and reggie white and it's like shit

50:21Kyle Brandt:we can't we can't chip block everybody you can't you can't double team the bodiker and then dick

50:25Bill Simmons:jones is going to get you exactly like that it's like the steelers if tj watt was still good what they would have oh yeah sorry craig i just want to make sure what was he talking about took the last six weeks off of the season last year he was there in uniform only yeah we'll see we'll see craig um the uh here's a good one so emil stops to get gas for his motorcycle yeah did you notice the price of the gas i did not five dollars and 79 cents oh he got it on fountain in Hollywood, huh? It's literally it's the best because I think that's right what the price is now. Is that true? Yeah. Media Break as a futuristic news show, it feels kind of has internet bones, right?

51:11Bill Simmons:Sure. I could see Media Break being some weird YouTube channel that has 15 million subscribers. You don't know how many of them they bought. So yeah, they probably bought 14.5 million of them, but still. Media Break, doing well. Sure. Love it. Axios was thinking of buying them.

51:26Kyle Brandt:Bring them in, get new talent, and just churn out churn out takes all day long. Verhoeven loved the American news. He was like really amused by it because he's like, in Holland, like it was just one man with a graphic over his shoulder. But in the United States, it's like two people like kind of laughing all the time in between stories. He's like, I thought it was so funny. And it is funny. It's a weird thing that we did and still do.

51:46Bill Simmons:It's still really funny. He dialed it up at the end where they would go to break and it would just close in on their eyes and there would just be the screen of 20 eyes. I thought for what's age the best, the 6 ,000 sux is fucking hilarious talk about it how hell yeah these new suvs they call it the sux but i just uh i don't know when suvs really started but it was right around then and they're just very home it's like we're going after this you went it was the transition because there used

52:15Kyle Brandt:to be minivans and that was all through the 80s early 90s mid 90s you started seeing like your chevy blazer and the jeeps became big and the s6000 sux this car sucks but bigger is better and they do the stupid dinosaur commercial that's the stuff that makes this movie fun i love it couldn't agree more also making the movie fun anytime a movie character is named dick which

52:38Bill Simmons:we don't really have anymore because nobody would name their kid dick but in the 80s and 90s we had a lot of dicks uh this is fantastic take go ahead i when somebody does the pause yes before they say dick and we see this in there is like dick it just works every time we need more dicks

53:02Kyle Brandt:i i take that sound bite and loop it i couldn't i couldn't agree yeah i just fucked myself for life um i you know what's the perfect thing is the internet is always nice about this stuff and

53:11Bill Simmons:And they won't do we need more dicks at all. Awful announcing. Bill Simmons, we need more dicks.

53:17Kyle Brandt:Yeah.

53:17Bill Simmons:Get it, boys? Bill Simmons eviscerates dicks.

53:22Kyle Brandt:But the guy who does it, exactly what you're saying, our guy John Bender, when he's talking to Vernon, expect better manners from you, dick. And it's just, name your bad guy's dick. It always works.

53:33Bill Simmons:This was the heyday for dicks. Hell yes. Apex Mountain for dick. I love... I love tidbits like this. The RoboCop suit was so hot and heavy that Peter Weller was losing three pounds a day from water loss. Incredible. They had to put an air conditioner in the suit so he didn't basically become emaciated. Can we talk about Weller and the suit for a sec?

53:58Kyle Brandt:Yeah, there's a lot of stuff on this. All right, so the suit kind of strikes me as maybe as like the shark in Jaws where it was really difficult to work with, very, very problematic. But Weller shows up to this thing and is like this theater trained guy does ballet studying mimery and shit. And like he runs marathons. Yes, runs marathons, literally runs marathons. Method acts it. And people are like, he had to be called either Robo or Murphy when he's on set. And you always think that's all bullshit and the actors deny it. Weller is like, fuck you. Yes, I method acted it. I prepared for six months.

54:34Kyle Brandt:I'm in the suit at 130 degrees. I don't give a shit what you think. Call me Robo and Murphy. And I think it's cool.

54:40Bill Simmons:he owns it completely there's so much stuff about how uh some of the actors thought this was the most ridiculous thing ever they're like you're in a fucking robot suit dude settle down you're not sir lawrence olivier you're not you're richard over there with your gun and your helmet he's

54:54Kyle Brandt:like i'm treating this like i'm richard i get out of my face and call me robo well that the the other piece of it with the suit that this killed me that he did like three months of

55:04Bill Simmons:martial arts training so when he got in the suit he would be like be able to and then the suit like you couldn't move you couldn't do it you basically like and he was like fuck i did all this martial arts training for nothing he was like pissed about it he signed up for a robo cop movie it's a robot cop which you think you're gonna be like bruce lee yes he did last once aged the best you mailed me a picture it's a pretty famous picture that i've seen on on twitter a few times yeah it's a radio shack valley fourplex and uh hold on let me it's the marquee for the movie theater of what's playing

55:40Kyle Brandt:that weekend yeah it's really cool i mean take your pick jesus the internet caption on instagram right there the caption is take me back yeah lost boys robocop predator full metal jacket god damn

55:55Bill Simmons:i'd take that in two years they had it in one weekend we really knew what we were doing back then uh the big kahuna burger award for best use of food and drink what do you got well the organic food paste that robocop eats tastes like baby food it was made out of parsnip tomato puree and crushed butterfingers bars all right sounds like a frozen yogurt i'm into that right now what'd you have for the great shock order award for most cinematic shot i have uh when the two

56:25Kyle Brandt:hooligans are with the woman in the alley and he shoots between the legs when robo gets out and the shadow is projected against the wall behind them and he looks huge and it keeps getting bigger really cool shot because as he walked towards them the shadow would actually get smaller so they had him walk backwards so he gets bigger like fucking brilliant shot love it

56:44Bill Simmons:for hoving yeah cooking so i don't have a kid cutty pursuit of happiness award best needle drop but i do have a note unless you have a do you have two giant question marks under it just I don't know. So he goes to the nightclub when a bodicurse henchman's in there. And the scene when he kicks Robocop in the balls, which is a bad idea. The guy's a metal robot. I feel like they really missed a great song choice possibility for that scene. And this is where Verhoeven, being a Dutch filmmaker, I just don't think he was on it. Because he could have gone, you could have gone like Rockwell. I always feel like somebody's watching me Could have gone that direction We could have gone into the little late 80s alt We could have done like a Peter Murphy cut you up Or we could have done some You know somewhere Such a good point though Somewhere in that indie 80s Could have done some XTC I don't know what I wanted But they didn't give it to me

57:48Kyle Brandt:I would jump in too with like a hair metal deaf leopard Do you take sugar? Yeah, they could have done Def Leppard. Good point. They could have done Duran Duran. There's a lot of cool shit they could have played there. Again, pretty shoestring thin budget, and they're trying to put it into his metal balls instead of the music, but a banger needle drop there would have really worked.

58:11Bill Simmons:Damn. Chess Rockwell, Brock Lander's work for best character name. It's obviously Dick Jones. Dick Jones. Name your villains Dick, young screenwriters. It works. Just name them Richard, and someone can call them Dick. we only really have football coaches left named dick and they're a dying breed as well

58:28Kyle Brandt:dick yeah dick lebeau i mean are they let me ask you this are there like um people alive now who are kids will be dick someday like what let's say you're named richard and it's a family name and you're richie or rick or something are there are dicks as a name done i think dicky can come back Dickie Greenleaf. Yeah, like Dickie seems kind of cool.

58:52Bill Simmons:No, I think you just audible right to Richie or Rick. Craig, do you know any dicks? No way. Dicks are dead.

59:00Kyle Brandt:Forever, though? Like, won't they come back like Rosemary and Dorothy, all those vintage names? Like, will you ever be at a travel baseball game and some parents yelling, come on, dick, just throw strikes right to the glove? I think dick is dead.

59:11Bill Simmons:I think guy is dead. No more guys. Never understood that one. Names go away. I mean, we haven't seen an Adolf in about 60 years. Like sometimes it's just like, boom, we're done. We're never having another one. And I think Dick's have reached that point.

59:27Kyle Brandt:Yeah. But there's still kids named Harry. And Harry is like Dick's stupid brother. You know, like, and I just wonder. We'll see. Dick Jones. You have a flex category, Kyle. What is it? Oh, my God. I have so many choices. I was going to do the, does this movie have a porn parody? but it obviously does and it will take you two seconds to think of what the name is um what was it robocock there you go horlbeck yes robocock there it is gotta be what else it's gotta be it's right there and you know what honestly bill like given verhoeven's like horniness like he probably directed it you know what i'm saying yes i directed a robocock and he says uh come quietly or there'll be trouble but the coming is the reaching the orgasm it's a great movie like Like, that's, he would have directed the porno parody of his own fucking movie if they asked him to.

1:00:20Kyle Brandt:All right, no, my real flex category is, I'm actually going to go with the Fortune 3 Clap Award for most gif-able moments. When Robo is brand new and he's in that chair in the factory and he starts having those dreams, he starts going like. And if you go to Twitter right now and type in the gif search RoboCop, it is that moment of RoboCop, like, with his mouth open. And it's all tweets of like, I'm not even going to say them. Like when she stops, but you're still. And it's like the person's draft pick is terrible. And then it's the Robocop. Like Red Sox trade deadline. Here's my reaction to the Red Sox trade deadline.

1:00:57Kyle Brandt:Yes. Yes. And it's a really funny gift to use when something terrible happens. Because he definitely looks like someone is performing something on him. And it makes me laugh.

1:01:09Bill Simmons:That's a great one. I thought you were going to go for Fox category. did this movie need a sports scene, a random sports scene? Because we had Detroit and could we have had Clarence's gang? I think it's Clarence's whole extended gang, little pickup three and three hoops. I think it would have been great.

1:01:27Kyle Brandt:In the warehouse? Yeah, in the warehouse there was a hoop

1:01:30Bill Simmons:and they're just kind of - Half court only. Yeah, half court only or maybe a shooting contest, something like that I think would have worked.

1:01:35Kyle Brandt:Well, if they remade it now, Clarence's gang would have their own pickleball court and they would just get after it in between killing cops and stuff like that.

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1:04:37Kyle Brandt:Mine's a little asymmetrical. I do have one. You want me to do mine?

1:04:40Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:04:41Kyle Brandt:This is kind of a hot take, too, for rewatchables. The weak link of this film is that this movie is too short. I want more. I've never said that amount of movie before. I am. I'm tired of this Coral Beckian philosophy that everything has to be 20 minutes long. It's too short. It's 102 minutes. I need five or 10 more minutes. Terminator 1 is 107. Predator is 107. Lethal Weapon is 109. I want two more scenes. And if you look, there was supposed to be a chase scene at the end where the Terrence's guys use the, Clarence's guys use the big guns. I would have liked to see a chase scene with the guns.

1:05:13Kyle Brandt:And there was supposed to be a scene where Robocop goes to the cemetery and sees his own grave as Murphy. That sounds heavy metal as shit. I would like to see that. I've never said it before. The weak link of this movie is that it is too short. I want more.

1:05:26Bill Simmons:I'm going to let Craig respond to that. Craig, if you want to come on the Zoom, even better. Look, you're wrong. You're wrong, and I won't allow it. However, you make a compelling case. I thought, the movie is so tight, I think they literally don't even develop Murphy enough. Like, how is there not a scene of Murphy with his family in real life at the beginning of this movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, he should be kissing his wife goodbye, playing with his kid. So then you have that emotional connection, and Verhoeven's like, fuck it, we don't need it. We'll do a couple flashbacks, 102 minutes. Verhoeven's like, I need that extra 40 seconds for my cocaine cleavage scene.

1:06:01Bill Simmons:yeah wait craig stay on because this ties into my week link in the film i agree that this movie is like two scenes short even though i love how fast it moves how is there not a scene where murphy's wife finds out that murphy is now robocop and she shows up at the police station yeah and then there's a lot of unexplored family stuff yeah instead of that wife being played by some actress i don't know who it is now it's gina davis and And it's like, Gina, I need you for one really good scene here where you go to the police station and you see Murphy and he doesn't recognize you, but he kind of, and you start crying.

1:06:34Bill Simmons:Like, you've turned him into a monster. Why'd you do this? Like, it's the easiest layup. And now Murphy's in crisis. He's like, am I a monster? He's looking at his robot arm. It's just sitting there. And then that's the bridge to the porn parody where he's looking at his wife and she's like, if you're a robo cop, that means you must have a robo. And then run it off.

1:06:56Kyle Brandt:Come quietly or there will be trouble. I will respond to what you just said, Bill. I have a theory about why that happened, because after he dies, Lewis tells Robocop she moved on really quickly. My take, Murphy, maybe not so great a guy at home. Maybe not so great a husband. Maybe a little verbally abusive. Maybe all kinds. I think that she got out of there fast. I think she moved on fast. I think Murphy was fucking around. We don't know what that marriage is like. I think it was a disaster. Some marriages with police officers, I'm sorry to say it, are rough because of the lifestyle. For her to move on that quickly and not even come back, where the fuck is Murphy?

1:07:33Kyle Brandt:I heard he's this robot guy. No, she was out of there.

1:07:37Bill Simmons:I think it's a great point. Thank you. Thanks, Craig. What takes the worst? The sequels. Yeah. The 2014 remake. Why? Again, I've said this 50 times on Rewatchables. Don't remake movies when I can watch the original movie and it's still really good. it's unacceptable. I can still, it's on Amazon prime right now. You can fucking watch it. I don't need to watch. And then it gets confusing. They're both RoboCop. You can accidentally click on the Joel Kinnaman one. When you meant to click on the Weller one, like I don't need it. I don't need it in my life. Call it RoboCop 2014, but don't do it anyway.

1:08:12Kyle Brandt:Is there anything bill that gets you more mad that when you're getting ready for this pod and you just Google RoboCop cast and the one from the remake comes up and it's Joel Kinnaman. You're looking at you like, no one wants that. No one is ever looking for that cast ever. even that cast themselves is looking for the original cast it's bullshit what's age the worst

1:08:28Bill Simmons:police strikes so i looked this up we haven't had one in america since the 1910s how'd that go didn't go great actually yeah i bet um what's age the worst robocop joining sting in 1990 for wcw you might have it as a what's age the best anybody listening has to watch this fucking clip

1:08:49Kyle Brandt:sting is in a cell and i don't mean in the ring is a tall small jail cell next to the ring robocop comes out and it's of course it's not peter weller and it's not the real costume and robocop's supposed to bend the bars and the announcers are like oh my god look at that string but when he goes to bend the bar the whole wall comes off and he tries to put it back up it's it's absolutely horrible but if you love wrestling sting and robo like raising their hands together It was fucking great.

1:09:13Bill Simmons:This was a really weird era in the 90s for movie promo tie-ins to actual wrestling plots. Yeah. We mentioned, for what's the worst, RoboCop's costume. Weller was so frustrated that he fell out with Verhoeven, who fired him. Went to try to get Lance Henriksen as a replacement from Alien. and uh it was just too hard the costume was designed for weller they would have to make a new costume so then they had to kind of make up and weller came back to the movie weller sounds like he might have been a little too method of a method actor he was really method it's like he definitely gets some settled down for me um and yet weller would look at you bill simmons and

1:10:02Kyle Brandt:say scoreboard look up at it creep i crushed this role lance hendrickson can suck it it's like a guy

1:10:09Bill Simmons:trying too hard in like p.e class or something you know it's like right settle down greg it's diving diving for kickballs um my last one the the lead is it's a white guy named clarence boddicker can we talk about this i used to have when i had my column i used to i had the reggie Cleveland Hall of Fame because the Red Sox had this picture named Reggie Cleveland and it was just this dumpy looking white guy. Clarence Boddicker? How did they come up with Clarence Boddicker? Does this guy seem like a Clarence Boddicker to you? Well, let's go directly to the

1:10:43Kyle Brandt:Tarantino script in True Romance where Clarence Worley, in which Drexel says, reads his name and says it doesn't sound like it fits him either. And it's also Clarence. Yeah. So I just got wildly distracted though, Bill, when you were talking about your, your old column, because my favorite group used to be the Lindsay Hunter all-stars who are athletes that sound like hot girls. I used to love that shit. Lindsay Hunter sounds like a girl I dated. She was a publicist in LA.

1:11:10Bill Simmons:The best one ever was when I did that, I had the Lindsay Hunter all-stars. Then like two years after I started it, Charlotte, the Charlotte Hornets drafted Alexis Ajinka. And it was like, This is definitely a supermodel 1990. She took the cover from Elle McPherson. Incredible. Did you see Alexis Ajinka on the new SI? And it was a power forward for the Hornets. So that was amazing.

1:11:33Kyle Brandt:Wow, is he dating Alexis Ajinka? No, he's still with Stacey Augment.

1:11:40Bill Simmons:I love that shit. All right, that's it for What's Age of Worse. The overacting award. Miguel Ferrer kind of dials it up a few times as Bob Morton. Did you have another candidate, though? You know who overacts?

1:11:57Kyle Brandt:Ed209. Get the fuck out of my face falling down the stairs. He falls on his back. He's crying. His legs are flailing. Yeah. Shut the fuck up, Ed209. I don't like that part of it. I think he gets it.

1:12:09Bill Simmons:Ed209 had some flaws. Shooting people in the boardroom. Can't walk downstairs. Like, they really rushed that one.

1:12:16Kyle Brandt:Can I give you an Ed209 take?

1:12:18Bill Simmons:Yeah.

1:12:18Kyle Brandt:I think Ed 209 is a Freudian metaphor. I think it's a penis thing for Dick Jones. I completely, I think Dick Jones has nothing down there, can't work down there. And this thing is this big giant metal with balls that shoots. And like, his name is Dick, E-D-E-D 209. I think Dick Jones was dealing with some of that. When we see Dick Jones in the bathroom, he's on the toilet sitting. I think he's peeing and hiding. He has no wedding ring on. He doesn't like how, what's his name? Bob Morton like womanizes. I think it is a big Freudian like, look at this giant metal unit. And it's, that's how it was in the eighties.

1:12:57Kyle Brandt:I feel like it's a metaphor for that. And it doesn't work.

1:13:00Bill Simmons:He's just sitting in the bathroom stall, looking at his sad pud that used to work. With no phone, by the way, just sitting there. Thinking about how to create Ed 219. Is he going to be more of a thing? I like that take. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How does take a word? I have one of my favorite ones I've ever had, but you go first. Hell yes. You want to go first? No, you go first. I'll go first.

1:13:23Kyle Brandt:My hottest take is that this movie chokes. It chokes. And at the one yard line at Deshaun Jackson's, meaning we have an entire long movie of state of the art craftsmanship and incredible 1980s technical special effects. And in the last 30 seconds of the movie, we get that asinine Dick Jones monster puppet fall shot out of the window. and it makes fucking, it's so, so, so, so bad and it's so disappointing. It makes Mac and me look like Avatar. They take the creature from the Tool Sober video and throw it out and they didn't even need to have that in there. They've done all these brilliant special effects shots and I feel like it blows a 3-1 series lead right at the end and they choke at the goal line.

1:14:09Kyle Brandt:And you walk into the lobby, you're like, what was that last shot of that dumb puppet falling out? Terrible. I hate that they did that.

1:14:13Bill Simmons:That might've been the half star for Ebert.

1:14:16Kyle Brandt:He might have been three and a half stars of the minute left. And you mentioned this, the tough beat, and people point this out, the year later you have Hans Gruber in the same exact shot, and it looks awesome. I just think RoboCop blew the 28-3 lead, did not get nominated for an Oscar for special effects, Predator and Innerspace only, no nomination, one for sound, and I think the voters were like, I can't nominate that shit with that thing falling out the window. It looks so bad. It's a shame that it ends that way. it's a great point what's yours i can't i'm curious you said one of the best ones you've

1:14:50Bill Simmons:ever had let's go yeah this is really good it's meaningful um ties into all your appearances on the pod okay i think out of all the movie roles and any rewatchables we've ever done i think this is the one you could have when we say the what if kyle brant's acting career soaps you know you're in real world then you're in the soaps and it's like someday i'm going to be an actor maybe i could even be an action star yeah i think you would have been a great robocop you got the chin you could you could have figured out the costume you're athletic i just think this could have been it like out of any movie we've done you as robocop i really excited me uh i'm

1:15:30Kyle Brandt:flattered thank you and if it would be like this and come quietly or there will be trouble um bill knows I was on Days of Our Lives for three and a half years and they offered me a contract extension and I said no no no no no I'm going off to be Matt Damon and I got this thing and then like a year later I was broke and depressed and sleeping in my robe the last thing I ever auditioned for Bill my last Hollywood acting audition was a remake of Knight Rider uh they did a remake like I don't know 15 20 years ago and I got really far in the process of getting cast in the Hasselhoff role and then didn't get it and that was like my moment where I was like this is it I got to get out of here so i wish there would have been a robocop man i don't know if we'd be having the same

1:16:10Bill Simmons:conversation i think you could have done it thanks buddy casting what ifs jonathan kaplan was supposed to direct but decided to do project x instead i don't remember that one project x was with matthew broderick and monkey oh the monkey yeah okay yeah odd movie verhoeven dismissed the script twice didn't understand the comedy in it and then his wife was like no no this is good you should do this movie and then he ended up doing it they speaking of kyle brandt they spend six to eight months searching for an actor to play alex murphy you were too young yeah schwarzenegger

1:16:48Bill Simmons:ironside they they uh kicked the tires on rucker howard verhoeven's like let's just get roker they're like no we're not getting rucker howard tom berenger armin asante keith carradine my favorite choice james remar hell yes yes gans from 48 hours i'm into remar i'm in all those guys

1:17:07Kyle Brandt:um i so i watched uh there's this there's this documentary on amazon called robo doc this unbelievably thorough exhaustive detail really well done about the making of this and when they're talking about the casting of robocop they flash through some headshots and some of the names you mentioned did you come across this because in the doc there's a headshot and the headshot potentially to play Murphy is our guy, Steven Seagal. And I'm like, is that possibly true? Is that fucking real?

1:17:35Bill Simmons:So I did not see that, but this is crazy because my recasting couch director city category was Seagal as RoboCop.

1:17:45Bill Simmons:It's just a better movie. It's just Seagal being trapped in the robo thing, but trying to add Seagal things where he said, no, no, I don't think RoboCop should get shot. all the shots miss he's just cleaning out he's never in danger nobody ever shoots at him i just

1:18:02Kyle Brandt:think it's a funnier movie i i let's spitball this i think um it'd be cool if robocop had like a metal ponytail and a metal beret and he has his badge around his chain and you know how he walks like you're right he's like anybody's seen clarence boddicker right anybody know why clarence Boddicker did Murphy. I'm going to take you to the bank, Dick Jones, to the blood bank. We need this.

1:18:29Bill Simmons:Also, in the beginning in the warehouse, he could have had karate fights with guys before they finally got him and shot. He could have done Seagal shit. But he never would have taken it because the guy loses in the movie and Seagal never loses. Nobody ever landed a punch on Seagal. The one two-by-four in that one movie out for justice, that was it. Somebody got right away um stephanie zimbalist was cast as uh aian lewis but had a remington steel pickup tough couldn't do it i was had a huge crush on her in the 80s um and i ended up getting nancy allen instead weller was the only person out of all the actors who wanted to be in and verhoeven liked his chin that's really what it came down to michael ironside offered the role of boddicker did not want to be a psychopath again turned it down i wonder and then kurtwood smith auditioned for dick jones thought he got dick jones but they gave him clarence boddicker i wonder how many times kurtwood smith and michael ironside were up for the same role

1:19:35Kyle Brandt:as people just wondered what the fuck was going on it's so true i think kurtwood smith probably like auditioned for jester in top gun in 86 no question and then it's weird because ironside then shows up in total recall and he's the bad guy again so he does get the role but that's those

1:19:51Bill Simmons:two guys definitely flock together i think that was his settled down moment when he turned down robocop and then two years later it's like fuck all right yeah to a total recall do it that's that guy award so we already mentioned uh paul mccrane who is uh toxic waste a meal yep but i think the winner is ray wise who is the one of the other bad guys the guy who kicks robocop in the balls right i for 40 years thought that this was sosa from scarface i told you a long time ago not to fuck with me tony i told you what would happen um but it's not it's a different act this week i learned that this week i thought for 40 years i thought it was sosa and i was like what amazing range on this guy he played sosa he put but no

1:20:42Kyle Brandt:it's Ray Wise character actor I just have to shout out my guy we've done this before in this category the most legendary background ever our guy Alan Graff I have a picture of him because no one knows who Alan Graff is this guy this guy's in everything oh yeah that guy he's in we had him in over the top he's the guy in the donut shop with the gun and boogie nights he's in the background he's always the guy in the background he's in uh Magnolia's and Jerry Maguire Alan Graff wherever you are if You're still with us. That's my guy.

1:21:13Bill Simmons:Who'd you have for the Dion Waiters Award?

1:21:17Kyle Brandt:To me, I'm just like, I got to go back to my guy, Ed 209. Three scenes, takes it away. I mean, it's either him or it's buy that for a dollar guy, but I think it's Ed 209. I had buy that for a dollar guy, but you could go either. Can I have a question about Ed 209? At the end of the movie, when RoboCop blows him up, RoboCop comes in, Ed 209 walks up and goes, you are parked illegally. you have 15 seconds so does he blow people away from parking in the wrong spot was he about to

1:21:46Bill Simmons:open fire because of a parking violation what's going on i had some serious malfunction glitches yeah he just shoots at any you know i think that because he murdered the guy in the boardroom for no reason at all yeah i don't think he was that's life in the big city okay you know what i love that line did you have a recasting couch or no uh director city i would love to see a

1:22:09Kyle Brandt:a Wes Anderson version of RoboCop where he's in like a corduroy suit and he goes into the Grand Budapest Hotel and beats people up with ironic banjos and typewriters. That would be a totally different take on it. Wes Anderson RoboCop I'd like to see. Fantasy would be the only one who liked it. I'd listen to the big picture. Wes Anderson has made the movie of the year.

1:22:30Bill Simmons:Craig's choice for a flex category. Craig, you gotta come on the Zoom for this. I'm gonna do a hottest take, but I wanna give one quick other thought first. Verhoeven wanted this to be an asexual movie. Well, he failed because I want to shout out, I want to use a little bit of my time to shout out Dr. Tyler, played by a woman named Sage Parker. With the glasses. Big glasses, kind of crushing it in this movie. Looked her up, didn't really have a career. Thought she looked like Parker Posey's sister. I was very into her. Thought there'd be more of her in the second half of the movie. Was a little disappointed that she disappeared.

1:23:02Kyle Brandt:And she kisses his visor with the lipstick smack on there. Yes, yes.

1:23:05Bill Simmons:It's kind of hot. I was into her. Yeah, me too. Anyway, my hot take is that RoboCop, not that hard to thwart, not that impressive of an invention. Like I think RoboCop's Madden score is like 82. Okay. People are shooting rocket launchers in this movie and he has one handgun.

1:23:24Kyle Brandt:He's incredibly slow. Can he run? Can he even run? We never see him run. He can barely turn around, just like hit him with your car. Yeah. I just like don't think he's that impressive.

1:23:36Bill Simmons:Well, they show him driving, but we never see how he would have actually gotten into the car to drive because he seems so unflexible. I don't even know how he got in the car.

1:23:43Kyle Brandt:I think, Craig, the deal was that they couldn't get him in and out of the car because he was too big. So there's never a shot of him getting in or out of a car. You bring up a great point. You need to get away from Robocop. Just run. He can't do anything. Just run around the corner. He can't move.

1:23:58Bill Simmons:Climb the stairs. Just turn him around a little bit. You're done.

1:24:01Kyle Brandt:Yeah.

1:24:01Bill Simmons:It would be like if the Cowboys, like, Michael Parsons, he's unstoppable, but he ran like an 11.040. He couldn't turn. Can't block this guy. It's like, no, he actually can't. He can't move. Use one of those big SUVs to run him over. He's done. That's a great take, Craig. Congrats. So you kind of did this already, but I had a bonus category in here. The Steven Seagal shitting on himself award for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film show. just weller um only responding to verhoeven when he was addressed as robo when he was in the robo cop i had to find try to find it in multiple places because i did just didn't believe it he's like hey peter it's like and murphy but robo's funnier though murphy i get robo i don't robo you know not even peter so you got to turn around in the costume he's like uh paul i thought

1:24:56Kyle Brandt:we cover this can you call me i need you on set peter can you call me robo call me robo when i'm on the set like i'm really into this character uh half i started research the robocop suit costs somewhere between 500k and a million dollars uh it was the story was conceived i

1:25:17Bill Simmons:mentioned newmeyer before he was uh universal pictures junior story executive edward newmeyer developed it with a guy named Michael Miner who wrote it and that was it Verhoeven wanted to film in Dallas because it suggested the near future I don't know if I agree talking about the architecture in the cities what would be the Robocop city now for suggesting the near future Dubai oh yeah we have to go out of America good point uh richard nixon was hired to promote the home video release for 25k and donated the money so you watched that robodoc doc yeah i didn't watch it exhaustive the four parts where it was like i'm tapping out sorry incredibly well done though it's revealed in that doc that all the cops in this movie are named after notorious mass murderers like ramirez yeah and serial

1:26:17Kyle Brandt:killers stuff like that see robo cop's got so many easter eggs it's fun verhoeven started taking

1:26:22Bill Simmons:in prescription meds to cope with insomnia and uh and was just apparently a maniac on the set but got better as the years passed with movies although sharon stone might uh say differently so in what when boddicker's gang is blowing up storefronts one explosion was uh bigger than they thought and you see the actors scattering and uh somebody's coat got on fire ray wise said he got some glass on his face he was excited they paid him extra awesome the movie was refused an r rating 11 times although verhoeven said it was eight and they just kept where like you've got to tone down the violence but they were like the whole point of this is we're making fun of this stuff like we need the violence and then um the film's cars the police cars were 86 ford toruses yep probably the peak for ford torus i guess we'll cover an apex apex mountain for ford for sure and then uh robocop huge vhs rental in the uh in 1988 when the biggest i saw it massive longest waiting list for of the year uh and then a little bonus lisa gibbons deep dive for you well give it give it to me she has three grown children and a rescue dog named biggie okay she's into rap she did tony robbins infomercials in the 80s which i forgot she hosted her own daytime show in the 90s for seven years for seven years that's a good wrong what do you have for uh lisa gibbons over under marriages i'll give you over under three and a half it's only how many times lisa gibbons been married lisa gibbons marriage is

1:28:01Kyle Brandt:over under three and a half i would go under with three all right it was four so the over hits yeah

1:28:08Bill Simmons:she had fando will cover that one um but she's settled down she's living her life 68 years old.

1:28:14Kyle Brandt:It's like when Macaulay is learning about Vincent Hanna and he hears he's been divorced three times because he's out there chasing guys like you. Lisa Gibbons is out there maybe chasing those celebrity news leads. Chasing stories, right. I get it.

1:28:25Bill Simmons:Apex Mountain, Lisa Gibbons, not yet. No. I think getting your own daytime talk show is probably Apex Mountain. For seven years?

1:28:31Kyle Brandt:Yeah.

1:28:33Bill Simmons:Detroit.

1:28:37Bill Simmons:That's pretty, 87, pretty good in Detroit.

1:28:40Kyle Brandt:Early 90s, Bad Boy Pistons. Barry Sanders, Lions. Early 90s. It's gotta be. Good call.

1:28:48Bill Simmons:Peter Weller. I'm going to say yes.

1:28:50Kyle Brandt:Absolutely. I love Weller, but this is all I got.

1:28:54Bill Simmons:Verhoeven, no. But I think it's Basic Instinct for him. So it's five years later. Basic Instinct was bigger than Total Recall, which was big. I think it is, too. After Basic Instinct, there's like, this guy's a guy. Movie heroes dying with the Christ arms throwing up fallback. I think it's Platoon. but we're right now. We're right in the, uh, I think if you combine it, this is kind of peak for that. And then we're right toward the peak of the puppet falling backwards as our character, but it's actually Alan Richmond. They figured it out. Nancy Allen. No, uh, famous bodikers. See if Mike bodiker, sure.

1:29:33Bill Simmons:Uh, really good eighties AL pitcher. The Red Sox trade for him in, in, uh, 88, um, to make a little pennant push. I'm sorry, 80. they traded for him in 88. So the only two Boddikers I can think of.

1:29:48Kyle Brandt:I didn't even know the picture. So yeah.

1:29:53Bill Simmons:Ronnie Cox. I'm going to say he's got this and Bev too in the same year.

1:29:59Kyle Brandt:This is Ronnie Cox's Apex Mountain. Great actor too. I love that guy.

1:30:03Bill Simmons:Two years earlier, he's in Vision Quest with Linda Fiorentino staying at his house. Yeah.

1:30:09Kyle Brandt:Modine, the horniest character in history.

1:30:12Bill Simmons:unbelievably horny miguel ferrer probably yeah yeah bob morton great kurtwood smith probably that 70s show that was a pretty big show for like seven years uh massive show and then it's

1:30:27Kyle Brandt:got kutcher and mila and uh one of its characters is in prison now like just all kinds of stuff to talk about with that show and yeah i think it's i've never seen one episode but apparently he's

1:30:36Bill Simmons:really good in it he's the dad important show on the reddit conspiracy board uh futuristic cop

1:30:42Kyle Brandt:movies no i mean you got blade runner i mean blade runner minority report blade runner did a lot to inspire this movie too i think it's blade runner still i agree cruiser hanks um

1:30:58Bill Simmons:this is so funny robo tom which one do you go with i did cruise cruise is way funnier i think that cruz in the first 15 minutes cruz getting shot cruz having to take his helmet off and having like the bald cruz cap on you don't see cops a lot like i i feel like the

1:31:17Kyle Brandt:only time maybe he has his minority report he's never really been in like a blue uniform hanks did it in in um uh dragnet and he did it in the one with the dog uh turner and hooch i think it's probably cruz with the dog yeah i mix it up with canine which was john belushi you turn it up with canine what's happening that was like turn hooch is a classic

1:31:40Bill Simmons:are you gonna do the turner and hooch rewatch what's listen if there's ever a dog month turner hooch will be in dog month dog month it's good dog high ratings people love dogs i would go with cruise though i would go with cruise me too scorsese or spielberg interesting this could go either way but this feels like very spielberg trying to embrace his dark side but not really

1:32:01Kyle Brandt:getting there the problem is the hard r uh the hard r rating scorsese has to do it i mean the coke scene alone is him spielberg did this movie it was called ai and hailey zoel osmond was robocop

1:32:12Bill Simmons:yeah you're right it's scorsese it's a good call scorsese so he's like he's like how many how many cocaine scenes are in there like we got two it's like i'm in simon yeah yeah what role would philip seymour hoffman play clearly bodiker

1:32:29Kyle Brandt:what would you have done RoboCop no I saw this as like young young up and coming like twister boogie nights Philip Seymour Hoffman not even him like one of the like people in the lab like who works on RoboCop and he kind of has like Scotty J energy you know he's like a lab coat and he's walking next to RoboCop he's like I like your suit a lot looks really sexy thank you I really like your name thank you like I think he's just one of these guys who steals the scene

1:32:59Bill Simmons:despite having like two lines I love him there he could have been Kenny okay you love Kenny dude Kenny is a hilarious hilarious oh sure I'll volunteer boss he could have done it like with his scent of a woman kind of Phil Hoffman anyway Bill let me let me give you there's one apex

1:33:18Kyle Brandt:mountain i think is interesting yeah do you think is this apex mountain for violent scenes that are hard to watch i'm talking about murphy's execution and i have a list okay oh i can't wait all right so you got at the end of casino tommy in the cornfield gets beaten up by frank vincent it's tough to watch uh the private ryan slow motion stabbing in the end when they're in the room and He's like, no, no, no, no, no, don't. Gandolfini in Alabama in True Romance is brutal. That would have been my pick. You have the hobbling in Misery where she breaks his ankles, which I actually think is kind of funny.

1:33:55Kyle Brandt:And then there's like really horrible stuff like the American History X Curbstomp, which is terrible for a million reasons. Irreversible has an 11-minute scene that's unwatchable. But I kind of, the True Romance one, especially the director's cut is really tough. It's not a fun topic, but it thought of this because I still have trouble watching the scene. And I was like, is this the hardest scene to watch? Put it this way. When I show my little kid content now, like I don't care about profanity and usually I don't care about violence. It's the sex I try to keep him away from. He's only 11. I would not want him to watch this movie yet.

1:34:27Kyle Brandt:I don't want him to watch that scene of Murphy being killed. It's just too much. Like I saw it too young and I don't want him to. It's intense.

1:34:33Bill Simmons:I would have thrown Reservoir Dogs

1:34:35Kyle Brandt:with the cut in the ear off. Ah, Michael Madsen, our guy. um by the way species pod fantastic just fantastic oh thank you one of the one of the all-timers um

1:34:47Bill Simmons:yeah that Gandolfini scene is is I think that's the whole point though yeah yeah yeah there's some other ones man on fire when he's torturing the guy in the car but you're kind of rooting for him to do it i know picking nits yeah whose idea was it to give ed 209 um actual bullets for the boardroom demonstration maybe we just go with blanks for the demo how about just blanks for the demo just change out the bullets you're arming him with real bullets what if something goes wrong

1:35:24Kyle Brandt:they're ripping out wires from the control board maybe just not load ed 209

1:35:30Bill Simmons:Unbelievable. It's not like Ed 209 went to the store and bought bullets. They were arming him with the bullets. With a lot of them, too. Yeah. Hot take. Did Murphy deserve to die? They go into a warehouse loaded with gunmen that they just chased. There's no backup coming for 20 minutes. Nope. There's no harder place to navigate than a warehouse with nooks and crannies and levels. They're like, we'll go in first. The rest of the guys will come in later. How about this? Just hang outside for 20 minutes.

1:36:01Kyle Brandt:Let's just chill. It's like in the town when the guy looks up and sees all the guys with the guns, the officer just looks back down. He's like, nah, not today.

1:36:09Bill Simmons:Just wait. Not today. Backup's not coming for 20 minutes. Cool. We'll wait for the backup. Yeah, let's go to Carl's Jr. There's six of them and two for us. How do you feel about Nancy Allen's character not figuring out that RoboCop's Murphy for like 30 minutes?

1:36:26Kyle Brandt:I feel all right. she the second she sees the gun jaw yeah and she worked with him for like 20 minutes before he was murdered so it's not like they're old friends all right murphy had no family or friends other than

1:36:39Bill Simmons:this one wife and kid nobody who knew he was nothing no was anyone at his bachelor party that's a good point i mean he probably got married college roommate who checked in every

1:36:52Kyle Brandt:once in a while no it's side piece which i think he had and that she didn't show up um i i have a picky nit about the family like that when he goes in that flashback that is such a bolster demonstration of what a family is like no family is that nice the kid is like hi dad take a picture with me no

1:37:10Bill Simmons:kid says that that's he walks into the room for heaven doesn't understand american families at all

1:37:14Kyle Brandt:because you know what american families don't do it's the middle of the day the wife is in a robe It's like a Tuesday. And she's like, I have to tell you something. I love you. What is that? No wife behaves that way ever. If anything, that wife would be like really annoyed that why is he doing this new job in the tough district? We need more money. We got to get out of this house. Like that idyllic version of a family, Verhoeven fucking missed. No family is like that. Yeah.

1:37:39Bill Simmons:The way she says, I have to tell you something. I love you. You just have to assume there's a guy hiding in the closet that had just been having sex with her and she's trying to throw him off the scent. I love you. it's like yeah yeah definitely i have a problem with the robocop costume so why do you have the mouth and the jaw exposed it feels like all the shots like you just aim for his mouth right you try to hit it and then when they're shooting at him he's covering his jaw like why does it cover

1:38:07Kyle Brandt:anything he's a fucking robot why wouldn't he have just a full metal over his face yeah or like a

1:38:12Bill Simmons:little shield that comes down well like if he's in battle like pull the shield down there was a lot

1:38:17Kyle Brandt:a lot of people who didn't want to play the role because they didn't want half their face covered the whole time and so that's it but maybe maybe it's like it goes up and down though it's like

1:38:27Bill Simmons:a mouthpiece in boxing like when you know you're in battle you pull it down like a welder's mask yeah ed 209 not being able to go downstairs i know it's funny but i also like that's just insane they didn't think of that he's chasing criminals there's criminals go up and down stairs you

1:38:42Kyle Brandt:didn't figure this out is that 209 apex mountain for worst new technology rollout ever it's like him google glass quibi espn mobile uh and 209 like what that's the worst thing i've ever seen

1:38:58Bill Simmons:really bad here's my last one was clarence boddicker was he wanted criminal or not yeah he's wanted for 31 cop killers 31 deaths on his watch uh the the mob boss of old detroit but then in the last half hour of this movie he's just strolling into dick jones's office going through saying hi to people so is he a criminal or not yeah lisa gibbons even has him on the news as

1:39:24Kyle Brandt:like known mob boss sometimes they do this in movies like in 1989 batman like carl grissom and jack napier they're just known mob bosses they just walk around and they do stuff in public and no one arrests them or anything so yes it is a little odd i get it do you have any picking nets no just the one about the family would never be that way it's ridiculous

1:39:43Bill Simmons:sequel prequel prestige tv all black cast are untouchable um a prequel with murphy in the other part of detroit i i'd probably watch five minutes all black cast maybe if you're gonna that that would have been the 2014 answer if you're remaking robocop like let's go all black cast and just go but they made all these sequels so i think that's the answer the real answer to this category is

1:40:06Kyle Brandt:none of them it's video game and they made a shitload of video games and they're pretty cool the arcade game was awesome you could fight ed 209 that's the answer i'm embarrassed to say that uh

1:40:16Bill Simmons:i'm so old that i had the computer game in the 80s you had a computer game yeah like on an apple computer or would you have a commodore apple awesome 80 1988 that's the apple that me and gus ramsey used to play micro league baseball on all the time but i had a floppy disk i had only a few games but i think i had the robocop one i vaguely remember it is this movie better with wayne jenkins danny trail doris burke sam jackson nell byron mayo tony romo chris collins with daniel plainview long legs peter schrager or wilford brimley in the firm

1:40:48Kyle Brandt:you know i'm tempted to say peace rags but uh i need the scene where he shoots through the woman's legs uh i would love to have my guy gus johnson on the call and it's just robocop young fella couple of scumbags about to give this woman a brazilian goes to the thigh holster raises his

1:41:16There we go.

1:41:18Kyle Brandt:Love you, Gus. Great job. Love you.

1:41:21Bill Simmons:Well, see, you stepped on mine now. First of all, I thought you were doing this for another scene, but I had Mike Breen for Ed 209 killing Kenny. Do it. 15 seconds. Five seconds. Bang! Bang! Bang! He just took 40 bags. His kid, he's just taking all the shots. Yeah.

1:41:42Kyle Brandt:See, the Schrager take would be, he'd be like, Ed 209 is Mahomes. And him taking that loss early on is going to put a chip on Mahomes' shoulder. And Mahomes is out for revenge this year. And I'm taking the Chiefs. That's Peter. He kills that take. That's what he would roll with. And it'd be good.

1:41:56Bill Simmons:Oh, I thought it would have been. Guys, I talked to Dick Jones last week. And he did not like what happened with Ed 209 in the boardroom. They're fixing it. They think that robot's going to be great. and it's going to be ready to go for the season. Yeah, look, everybody's moving on to Bob Morton.

1:42:10Kyle Brandt:I got news for you. Dick Jones, they still believe in him. They still like him. Let's go. Love you, Peter. I love you. He would give his amazing take and no one would laugh or respond.

1:42:20Bill Simmons:I love you, Bob. Yeah, just freeze faces in the split screens at ESPN for it. Just one Oscar who gets it. Special effects? No.

1:42:30Kyle Brandt:Well, the sound effects actually won. Special effects not nominated because of the cool sober character.

1:42:37Bill Simmons:Yep. Probably an answerable question. So we have no idea what year this movie is in. Yeah. Apparently there was a commercial for the film's home video release that said the movie was set in 1991, but nobody's ever established that. Um, what year do you think this movie was set in? If you had to pick a year, it probably has to go at least 30 years ahead.

1:43:02Kyle Brandt:Well, it's, it's tough because they have all this technology, but there's no cell phones. so nobody makes a cell phone call the whole time but do they know and they i guess in 87 they

1:43:13Bill Simmons:probably should have known cell phones were going to be a bigger part because we have the gordon

1:43:17Kyle Brandt:gecko phone already like they should have known but they figured out dvds they didn't figure out cell phones yeah it's it's it's like they made this in 86 they probably thought this was like 20 to 2010 maybe 2005 27 years forward i was gonna say like 2011 range like 25 years later

1:43:34Bill Simmons:yeah um i mean this is stealth robocop question but do you think bob morton was behind transferring cops into the worst parts of detroit that could eventually be good robocop yeah like he's almost like scouting combine it it's like there's this guy murphy and the other part like he's really good it's like transfer that guy over we gotta get i think it's almost inferred in the movie

1:44:01Kyle Brandt:that Murphy's sudden transfer to the rough thing is because Murphy fit the profile. They set him up to be killed and then they could use him because they knew he could be a Robocop.

1:44:08Bill Simmons:Was it basically they scouted him? 100%. This is our guy. Yes. Clarence Boddicker is going to lure him in. The backup's going to be 20 minutes away. Kind of weird. It's not like Detroit's Houston. I think it was completely masterminded. Yes, completely. All right, so maybe that's answerable. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?

1:44:28Kyle Brandt:Something that we have not talked about yet in this podcast. I'm going to have some friends over, some couples. We're going to have some wine, some IPAs, some charcuterie, and we're going to play a round of Nukem. And we're going to get the game out and we're going to say, Pakistan's threatening my border. I want real Nukem. None of this Cars Against Humanity shit. I want Nukem the home game. The best.

1:44:49Bill Simmons:We forgot to mention, that's a good answer. We forgot to mention with those news breaks when they slide in stuff like two presidents have been killed in Santa Barbara and it's clearly inferring it was Nixon Reagan. But then they have this other one. I don't know why it's so funny, but Rebels have taken over Acapulco. Yep. In the mid 80s, Acapulco was like St. Bart's. That's where everybody went. And they just kind of slid that in. But now I guess that could have been for most 1987 thing about this movie. So true. Because now if that happened, you'd be like, oh, I totally believe Rebels took over Acapulco.

1:45:24Bill Simmons:87, it was like kind of a way to make fun of rich people. my piece of memorabilia that i'd want from the movie um i'd probably want the mask

1:45:36Bill Simmons:yeah just some like just have it behind me in the studio here i don't know that'd be cool coach finstock or best life lesson you can kill somebody but you can't take their humanity i don't know they'll come back they'll resurrect or put blanks in ed 209 the next time

1:45:54Kyle Brandt:would have been my other if there's any weapons companies out there developing new stuff and you're going to do a demo yeah not really necessary 20 person boardroom like what was it where like elon was debuting the cyber truck and he's like you can't break the window and he threw the thing against it and it broke that went terribly but still ed 209 significantly worse

1:46:13Bill Simmons:best double feature choice i mean you could go terminator and go right into robocop right after and double robot it. You could go Verhoeven and do this with Starship Troopers or Total Recall. I don't know. What do you have? The Terminator thing is interesting.

1:46:31Kyle Brandt:There's a couple things I just want to say about this because when the movie came out, allegedly James Cameron was pissed and he thought that they ripped them off. And if you look at the timeline, RoboCop is being developed well before Terminator. But there's a really interesting thing in Terminator 2 where there's a couple things in T2 Judgment Day that are like, they look like ripoffs of RoboCop. like verbatim oh they both end in a steel mill there's a point where the t1000 stabs arnold with a spike and then wrenches it back and forth just like boddicker does like note for note and then the whole backlit SWAT team where they drop the terminator and robocop is like note for note it's almost like cameron was doing it on purpose because he thought they ripped it looks just like it like you know how larry does the spite store for mocha joe and curb it was like spike spike scenes it's almost a note for note ripoffs of robocop it's crazy and we know cameron's a dick yeah i think he's totally neurotic he's like i know you guys ripped my shit off so i'm ripping yours look at those shots it's the same sequences yeah that's such a good but especially the steak is like yeah almost no same thing really good one uh who won the movie a lot of people could have been robocop we need the the horny blood-soaked dutchman paul verhoven I think he absolutely cooked in every single sense of this.

1:47:45Kyle Brandt:I think it's him. I had him as well.

1:47:47Bill Simmons:All right, let's see what Craig thought. Craig, had you seen RoboCop? No. And I haven't seen the new one, the Joel Kinnaman one. I kind of barely knew that existed, to be honest. I enjoyed this movie so much. The B movie that's trying to say something, Trojan horsing you into a message. This movie is interesting because I think if you're on your phone, if you're half watching the movie, it's kind of just a cheesy 80s science fiction movie with questionable cgi yeah which is a problem now because i'm most people turning it on they're probably half looking at their phone and you miss so much but if you actually sit down put your phone down and watch the movie there is so much happening in the interstitials there's so much being subliminally kind of delivered to you yeah that is just so interesting it reminded me a lot of uh they live the john carpenter movie yeah Just about its views on like the dystopian future and all the stuff like that.

1:48:38I also think the villains in this movie are great.

1:48:42Bill Simmons:To me personally, I feel like Nancy Allen and Peter Weller, I could take them or leave them. If you recasted both of them, I think I'd be fine. But I think the villains in this movie are awesome and they seem like genuinely terrible people and you really want them to die. You know what's interesting about that? I almost feel like he didn't want the two leads to have any sort of personality. like he wanted the villains to have to suck up the personality of the movie would be my guess

1:49:09Kyle Brandt:well that's kind of like that's like the batman formula that the villains are so much more interesting than batman the scene that we didn't talk about is in the bathroom between bob morton and dick jones where he reaches back and touches his hair and pulls it like that is yeah that is

1:49:24Bill Simmons:what you call a dick swinging contest and it's a really good scene yeah well i think like 10 years later this is brad pitt as robocop as robocop right yeah good chin like he would have fit it i i they probably beef it up i don't think they have peter well it's channing tatum you know it's one of those guys would you like this movie more if it was emilio estevez as robocop

1:49:49Kyle Brandt:i didn't even think about that there's a scene where robocop gets really high and then he screams and the glass breaks it's fucking awesome rob low like like they could have gone like that direction

1:49:59Bill Simmons:right a little more famous but i i didn't know who peter weller was but i also wasn't going to

1:50:04Kyle Brandt:the movies to see peter weller yeah if it was rob low when robocop takes out they would need hair

1:50:09Bill Simmons:still like i didn't love the robocop i didn't love the peter weller bald cap like dork vader situation going on that was a little uncomfortable i also don't know why he did it i guess it's him coming to terms with this humanity um i do think technologically speaking this movie's eyes were bigger than its stomach a little bit like they really tried and maybe they were a couple years too early on. It struggles in some ways, I think, in the effects. But, you know, they're doing their best. Hey, Craig, when we do our live fantasy football draft on August 25th, I'm bringing a robot in. I'm going to demonstrate.

1:50:46Bill Simmons:It's a robot fantasy thing. We're going to do a little demonstration. I want you to be the one that challenges him with a trade. Heifetz would volunteer. Heifetz would be like, I'll do it. Ed 209 is like Anthony Richardson. They're like trying to make him work. He's firing missiles at running backs in the flat.

1:51:05Kyle Brandt:Ed 209, I'll trade you George Kittle for DeAndre Hopkins and Isaiah Pacheco. You have 15 seconds to accept this trade.

1:51:16Bill Simmons:Anthony Richardson as Ed 209 is the fucking funniest. Everything looks good on paper until he's faced with any sort of anything. We're really trying to make this work. Yeah. Wow. All right. Robocop. Another winner for Craig. We took him back to 1987. Way to go, baby. These movies don't miss now. Like any of these. I'm just in on all of these. We've completely corrupted them. I know. 102 minutes. Come on. There's still some left. All right, Kyle Brand, anything to plug, push? What do you got? No, just as usual.

1:51:48Kyle Brandt:We're doing my 10th season of Good Morning Football. Wow. Me live from New York. And I'll be getting after it as always.

1:51:56Bill Simmons:what was the stuff with you in a suit with Peyton Manning is that like a secret project what was that Eli Manning Eli Manning what was that I we did I did a project with Eli where

1:52:06Kyle Brandt:remember like Bill do you remember back in the 80s when Bob Hope would do his Christmas special and they would introduce the All-Americans yeah they would run out and they're like I'm Steve Young BYU quarterback I love that we like kind of redid that and modernized it it was awesome

1:52:18Bill Simmons:it's coming oh great can't wait all right thanks and then Craig Ringer Fantasy Football Podcast this is when it becomes essential we are now in august that's right this is it week two of training camp there was a real football game last night you know lots going on who's the number one overall pick it's jamar chaser's sake one really at receiver not not not bijon i'm hearing about him no i'm not taking a receiver with the number one pick i'm sorry uh also i'm not going to be in a draft with the number one pick because i don't still pick my nose that need it i'm an adult with a wife and a family and a job well bill we're doing snake for our live draft i just want you to know that we have to all right i'll get some boogers ready i can pick them on the live show are we really doing snake yeah we have for a live stream the auction i mean that an offline auction is yeah really difficult to pull i guess we gotta do it can we call it the the first annual ringer booger eater fantasy football draft sounds good yeah that could be the name of the league all right that sounds good um who's the most polarizing fantasy football guy this year do Do we have one?

1:53:20Bill Simmons:Is it Justin Fields? Kyle Pitts and Anthony Richardson, run it back. No, Kyle Pitts isn't polarizing anymore. He's going to be sitting there, Bill. He's going to be sitting there in like the seventh round and you're like, he's got such upside. He's so fast. No, nobody thinks that anymore. For how cheap they are, they are basically going undrafted now, which is why they're starting to get interesting. The other team is the Dolphins. It's like, is Tyreek Hill over the hill? Devon Achan, when he's with Tua, he's the best fantasy running back in the league. When he's not with Tua, he's one of the worst.

1:53:45Bill Simmons:Dolphins are really hard to predict right now. So it's not Justin Fields? no i think fields actually is like kind of a high floor pick because yeah i think people think he's going to be like a massive quarterback this year the most in the league he might rush for like 1500 yards yeah i mean they're committing to him there's not a real strong backup situation like if he plays 17 games he's going to be a top 10 quarterback he just will yeah i think to me he's a polarizer one jj mccarthy would be another one he's a power really for sure well because it's like could you just plug and play him with the sam darnold stats it's the same offense it's a huge risk all the like i mean justin jefferson even it's like how much do you take him second overall with jj mccarthy what if he's terrible where do you have uh ed 209 in the rankings right now is in the top 100 yeah yeah he just cracked he's right next to kyle pitts i would rather take ed 209 than kyle pitts and go through it again this is the ed 209 of fantasy players it's so through that should be his nickname all right kyle brand great to see you as always we're gonna try and do one more of these in the next you know i feel like we haven't done a stallone in a while i'm just just gonna say that let's just meet on that bone let's see what we can find some stallone meat left anyway great to see you thanks craig always great to be here

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