‘Single White Female’ With Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Mallory Rubin

24:52That's very effective and very compelling. That's good. But, I mean, people, she was there for a while at that point. The only thing I understand about that. She actually looks at her by that point, Allie is convinced that... Allie, she goes, people know that you were here. You fucking nuts. What the fuck is wrong with you, right? Yeah, we had ice cream cones together. Yeah, we did. We were hanging out, taking pictures. Pictures of me, you, and the fucking dog. What are you talking about? People are going to know that you were here. You threw a dog off the balcony. Yeah, everybody saw it. But so, like, Allie...

25:17Terrible. She's a little bit... She's the power play between her and the boss character, which is one of my favorite characters in this entire... It's just the early 90s personified... Unbelievable. Right. He's an over-the-top sexual harasser. But all of these early 90s movies are trying to tell you that that's wrong because that's like the first time that society has contended with the fact that maybe it's wrong. It's for real. It's for real. This was like 92, 93 range. People didn't even know whether or not to say harassment or harassment. It was saying, I remember. So there's a character like that that shows up in all of these movies because they're trying to make this guy the new high school jerk of the 90s because they're trying to make this a larger conversation.

25:59What about when he's in the office and there's somebody else who's on a chair and he's just like leaning over and rocking the chair? It's like, maybe you could have scaled back this guy like 10%. He's going for it. We get it. He's a scumbag. This movie was directed by Barbette Schroeder. Barbette. Barbette? Barbette? I thought it was Barbette. Barbette? Yeah. directed by Barbette Schroeder from a screenplay by Don Roos based on the 1990 novel SWF Seeks Same by John Lutz. I do not have that one on my first edition movie collection. So he made Reversal of Fortune, Single White Female, and then the movie that we've been dying to do on rewatchables forever, Kiss of Death with Caruso and Cage that is not streaming and basically doesn't exist.

26:51$16 million budget made$84 million legitimate hit impressive legitimate hit Roger Ebert do you know the answer to this Craig oh man I do I read the Wikipedia three stars pretty good no genre is beyond redemption or beneath contempt and here the slasher genre has given its due with strong performances and direction Raj loves a good story incredible stuff from Raj here it seems like this movie was fairly well reviewed some ups and downs but they were it's Schroeder. The seriousness that he put into the direction of this movie, especially with all the coming off Reversal of Fortune, which was like sort of a mini phenomenon.

27:30Like the depiction of Carl Paul Bula. The Big Irons moment. Yeah. He wins the Oscar and then... Brought us to Die Hard 3. Exactly. So like, he kind of brought a lot of credibility into the movie and it seems as if a lot of the critics that viewed it said, hey, in less capable hands, this movie would have been a complete zany ride into bullshit land, but he takes it so seriously and he crafts it so well that it actually turns into a somewhat serious kind of actual movie. He does a really good job with the apartment. Oh, yeah. I never... You have no map in your head for where the rooms are, where the main room is, the kitchen.

28:10It's just kind of... Yeah. It's almost like they're using three different apartments, but I don't think they did. And you just kind of never know where you are in a good way. There's something really brilliant about the kind of like apartment and the round geography of it. The way they have that foyer and all of the rooms. So go back to another version of what you were saying about a spider, right? There's like every room is a leg off of this middle hub. And so this idea that everybody has their own space. There's this discussion early about privacy. That's about the other neighbors. But then I kind of you shrink it down to inside of their own home.

28:40Privacy, of course, is not a thing that exists for any of the characters ultimately. but the idea that you could always hear and see because every room has like a point of visibility into another from across this foyer. And then it makes those moments where like Hedy has left her door open to loudly masturbate in the middle of the night or something like that. Can't wait to talk about that scene. All the more notable because you know she's like, you can see me, you can hear me, you can walk over. Also, the apartment complex is unsafe. the elevator is old and rickety. There's a balcony that your dog can fall through.

29:18You don't have any safety from your neighbor listening to you fuck your boyfriend. Like the place itself seems... There's an incinerator that anyone can use. Boiler rooms. They're like boiler rooms, which we don't have in movies. We'll talk about that too. So the apartment building itself is a character. Yes. In a good way. In a good way. It's as destabilizing in a way as Hedy is. Listen, there's a lot to get into with this movie We have to take a break I cannot wait to do the rewatchable scenes That's next The rewatchables is brought to you by FanDuel Predicts You can predict the summer soccer showcase Wink wink action All the way to the final match with FanDuel Predicts All you have to do is sign up To get your$25 bonus From the opening game to the final whistle Stay locked in with every pass, every goal Every moment that moves us closer to crowning our first champion in four years.

30:12Sign up now for your$25 bonus on FanDuel Predicts. Go to fanduel.com slash predicts to sign up. That's fanduel.com slash predicts to get your$25 bonus. Offered by FanDuel Prediction Markets, LLC, a registered futures commission merchant. 18 plus restrictions apply. See terms at fanduel.com slash predicts slash bonus dash offer dash terms. All right. most rewatchable scene. We already know the answer, but let's do a couple of alternate candidates. How is possible roommates check the place out? This is incredible. I would like a good roommate's montage. Incredible. This is, there's a way to look at the movie and just this scene and say this is a reductive, like offensive string of stereotypes.

31:01But then there's the way you should watch it, which is to embrace the like very intentional comedy and parody of it. You have like the contractor, the biker who's coming in. I'm banging on the walls. I'm going to fix it up. You've got the gorgeous, stunning, hot chick who's eyeing Allie and Allie's eyeing her. You have the third candidate who says, and I quote, I'm an incest survivor, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I haven't remembered the incident yet, but I know it's there somewhere. Therapy girl, right? And then of course you have like the seemingly normal woman who also seems like she could maybe be a secret murderer.

31:36There's something very kind of like creepy about her perfection. So you're hitting all the beats and then in walks Hedy. It's just a perfect setup. As Ali's slump crying holding a smart picture. And the interesting thing is the woman that the seemingly the way to saccharine nice lady, the movie sets her up as the roommate that she should have actually chosen. Yeah, and was about to. And was about to choose. And then Hedy earns her way into the apartment, right? She actually earns her place in the movie, which gives the audience the opportunity to say, hey, Allie's not an idiot for picking her.

32:14She caught her at a low moment. Then the water sprays them. She fixes the water. Then they're eating ice cream. Then they're eating ice cream together. Makes her a tea. There's like the nurturing aspect, which is a through line. And there's always something. It's one of the things I actually love about the movie. when Hedy is trying to be like a caregiver, it is comforting and like incredibly discomforting at the same time. Like the breakfast scene later with Sam is a good example. She's like, I made you breakfast, scrambled or fried. She's like, I'll just take this orange. Can you stop trying to fuck my boyfriend?

32:44You know, what do you guys think about me? Maybe like, would you trust me to make dinner tonight? It's our anniversary. We're good. You know, but you do understand how Allie, who like didn't want to be on her own and is mourning the loss of this relationship is like seeking that nurturing presence in her life. Even though Hedy is not that, she is able to like provide that in births so that Allie craves it. This is another trope though. Allie has no family, no friends. Her only friend is Graham, the trusting gay guy. Upstairs or downstairs? Upstairs. Available all the time for her. Cat lover. She has a cat, doesn't have a job.

33:22Anytime I'm here, let's do a podcast. Also, listening to her have sex. Like, Graham, he could have take his shit up, right? Graham is a freak. Yeah, it's like, how long did Graham, why did he Graham wait how many years to tell her that? Well, yeah, that. By the way, I've been listening to you have sex for three years. Yeah. Well, loud one last night. You like being on top, it sounds like. Graham is, like, quietly a Rose from Titanic Award character who's sneaky sucks candidate. Sneaky? Because he's supposed to be, like, I'm your friend, you can come talk to me, You can tell me what's on your mind about Hedy.

33:54You can tell me what's on your mind about Sam. But not only is he listening and not telling her for months on end, here's my bigger note for Grandma. This will set up some of the pet stuff to come. You're waiting until a couple days before you're going to Boston for a wedding to set up cat care? Cat care. It's tough. What the hell? What's going on? That is just not sufficient. It's like, hey, here's some keys. Would you swing by? Yeah? Good? A fucking loyal cat. Did she? Hey, is that why they have kitty litter? His commentary on the litter box was galling. He's an asshole. By the way, I'll tell you something.

34:26And the cat loves him. He's got an asshole. Ignore the litter box, I do. The cat stuck next to him when he was seemingly dead. By the way. That's terrible. Listen to something. That's very upsetting. Listen to something that happens at the end of the movie when she's giving her voiceover. She says, I cried the whole week of Sam's funeral. Graham told me that's not going to bring him back. the week of the funeral. Graham. Graham says that's not gonna bring him back. Stop crying, bitch. This motherfucker's dead. Graham, are you nuts? If she was crying six years after the funeral, maybe you say that, the week of the funeral, he says that to her.

35:07Graham, what the fuck is up with you, dog? Stop crying. I can't hear your conversations and your sex through the vent if you're crying. Stop crying. I cried all week after the funeral for my boyfriend. who died because my roommate rammed a high heel in his face after blowing him. Stiletto to the eye. Graham's like, move on, move on. Like, what did another roommate? I have for alternate rewatchable scenes, Hedy walking in on Allie, trying her earrings and perfume. Great one. I mean, I know you, we probably have the same thing coming later, but there's some violations on Allie's side. Oh, yeah. We'll talk about it later.

35:43Definitely. Random topless scene. I like when there's nudity early to be like all bets are off this movie. There's no reason for this girl to be naked. Get ready. Buckle up. And then Hedy does the take the pearl earrings. Try them on. And we're just like okay. We're getting off here in Weirdville. And she sniffs her neck. It's just getting weird. Hedy buys a golden retriever puppy without telling her. And some of the worst puppy raising possible. No crate. Here puppy. just go in this room we'll close the door what could go wrong yeah tough terrible and then all of a sudden it bonds them together and they do the family portrait family portrait is really creepy you know that that's after they do this any time family portrait's tough any time in a movie where three characters get together and they take a picture somebody's fucking dead yeah yeah that's right and they're gonna look back at the picture that's me buddy yeah um Ali disappears with Sam comes home after two days Incredible Hedy gets super pissy about it This scene's amazing Unbelievable This is where it's like alright I gotta maybe I'll go upstairs see if Graham's home I gotta figure out an exit plan right now Yeah She's not in the lease And we see stuff that of course Ally doesn't including Hedy kicking Buddy Terrible moment By the way Horrible moment I had that in What's the age of the worst?

37:02Awful Didn't feel like CGI'd or anything Oh That felt like a straight puppy kick Very upsetting Do you feel like the actual Buddy took one for the team? Where was Peeta? that's a great question that dog went flying five feet very upsetting we used to raise these dogs these dogs are soft no I'm just joking bullshit chair sex chair sex is a great scene chair sex is great hey can I be honest with you yeah two beautiful bodies in this fucking scene right I don't remember seeing as much of Sam as you end up seeing in this movie in one particular part oh yeah yeah you see some dick yeah you see his balls hanging from between like his shit That's the Douglas.

37:42Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. Some string of balls. That's right. Right around when Basic Instinct. Yeah. I think Basic Instinct came out first. Maybe he was like, keep the balls in. Douglas. What did I tell you? Yeah. There was a white male butt competition that was going up. It was a thing. The next thing I wrote down was the masturbation scene right into everyone having eggs. That's right. This movie's amazing. Great stuff. Yep. What a fake out on the masturbation scene. You think she's riding some dude she met. does the rollover. I did the first time I saw it. I thought she was having sex with somebody and then she does the rollover.

38:16It's like, oh, she's by herself. I thought clearly, I think the fact that the positioning is like she... She looks like she's riding somebody. Well, she is trying to approximate the idea of being with somebody, right? Or maybe approximating what she saw. Well, that's the thing. The fact that she has just gone and like brought Sam a post-coital soda and he's like naked in bed, Allie has gotten up to get a drink. The room at least has a smell of sex. I'm guessing. No question. No question. She gives Allie a kiss on the cheek, very deliberate. She's trying to like soak up any aspect of that that she can.

38:53And then she goes and masturbates. So I think it was like very clear that she was masturbating because she wants to fuck Sam and she wants to fuck Allie. She wants to be in that relationship with them. The fact that she is in that position when Allie first sees her before turning over, do either of you watch Shorzy? You don't, right? I've tried to get you to watch Shorzy. Incredible show. Please watch it. The most recent season of Shorzy has an iconic opening scene where one of the characters, Ted Hitchcock, who they call 10-inch cock, is masturbating in that exact position. And there's like legitimately a 15-minute conversation about how most people masturbate.

39:28I can't recommend it to you highly enough. It is so funny and so good. So that was on my mind watching this. But of course, the best part of this is that Buddy yelps. Yeah. Well, he's horrified. Well, buddy, I didn't say, what did I get into? No, no, no, no. It's just unbelievable. I always thought that buddy was yelping because he saw his second mom masturbating. That's not why buddy yelped. Buddy yelped because he was yelping at Allie. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah, get out of here. Get the fuck out of here. Wow, he's like, give her some privacy? Yeah, he's like, you don't see mom? Mom is working it right now.

39:59Get the fuck out of here. Why would you hear that and then walk over to the goddamn door? I'm telling you. It's a good question. Allie is the villain of this movie. Why would you walk towards your roommate if they're fucking or if they're masturbating? She's having a private moment. Hedy knew that she would. That's why she left the door open, right? Listen, I can't let this moment go by without getting Ben's take on the top five face-down masturbation scenes in movies. Oh, shit. Jeez. Face-down masturbation. I feel if anyone is prepared to go off the dome with this one, it's you. That might have been the only one.

40:30I can't think of another face-down masturbation scene. Again, I'll direct you to Shorzy. Okay. I don't ever remember seeing that in a movie before. Because the face downer. I would say her thing. What? It's just like. The face downer. Hedy's thing? Yeah, like being. She's dominating herself. Yeah. Yeah. You like that. I'm just saying. I haven't seen the movie. I feel like it invented it. Leading to the eggs. And Hedy just being a little suffocating. Come on, buddy. Three's the crowd. Three's the crowd, buddy. And Bridget Fonda, who's a really good bitch. It's like. He's fine, Hedy. Like just like coming through.

41:06So anyway, you know it's time for Buddy to die which leads us to a non-rewatchable scene. The murder of Buddy. Horrible. The second worst thing to ever happen to a dog in a movie. You know what the first one is, right? No. What happened? When Michael Douglas' fatal attraction character fed spaghetti and meatballs to his dog that had been alone for two days. The most single violated I've ever seen Mallory. Terrible. On a rewatchable episode. Oh no, I was thinking about the rabbit. The rabbit? No. Boiling the bunny. Boiling the bunny, whatever. The bunny just died. Feeding your dog spaghetti and meatballs.

41:40The diarrhea. Terrible. Recipe. The dog hadn't eaten or gone out in two days. This is the worst thing that's ever happened. TV, not movie. But what about when Tom has to pull pantyhose out of Mondale's ass in succession? Remember that? Oh, yeah. That was very upsetting to you. We talked a lot about Mondale, the most neglected dog in TV or movie history. by the way right now for pets we in the dirt we in the dirt right now for pets pets are being killed for a plot I can't handle it and like fucking like I'm very worried about Supergirl I'm very worried about Crypto and Supergirl Crypto has been victimized twice he was victimizing Superman victimizing Supergirl well the plot of Supergirl seems to be oh the Punisher thing was awful the Punisher thing at the beginning of the movie I'm watching it Punisher last killed Bill you won't see it you haven't seen it it's a special presentation on Disney Plus John Wick.

42:29I mean. John Wick. John Wick. I had nightmares about that. I feel like ushered into this kill the dog for the plot of the thing kind of. You know what? This is the new fridging. The new fridging is the killing of the pet. You know what? Because a lot of people out there care more about pets than humans. Well, yeah. I mean, I do. So if you kill somebody's dog in the beginning of the movie, you want revenge more than if you killed like their wife or something. Right. People are weird. Especially the cuter of the pet. I also had the puppy murder as the okay motherfucker award for when this movie just goes up a notch.

43:01Right. It's so exciting. They're coming home. There's a fucking dead gold retriever in pool of blood. Horrible. And it's like, oh, okay. Horrible. We're ratcheting it up. Small scene. Devastated Heady hits on Sam. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird scene. Gives the hug and then a little more. Sam's thinking about it for about a second and a half. Sam's a dog. Hey, in the book, in the book, Sam and Hedy actually have sex and Allie catches them. Is that true? That's true. In the book. Well, we know Sam went to visit his ex-wife and couldn't make it an hour. Right. Sam, and by the way, I gotta say something to Sam, man.

43:40I gotta say something about Sam. Well, he's dead, so he's not listening. I apologize, Sam. It shouldn't have happened to you. It was an accident. It was an accident, seriously. Sam, just his explanation for fucking his ex-wife, Sam didn't even fucking try. No. Sam, no, he the man. Sam, like, she calls him out. It's the anniversary of our divorce. She was upset. She was upset. What the fuck do you want me to do? So I fucked her. Like, hey, what do you want me to do? I go over there. We got divorced. I feel like it was, what do you want me to do? I'm like, so what? People make mistakes. This is the first night.

44:09Not fuck her? Yeah. The craziest part about that to me is that the bulk of the, like, attempt at reconciliation from there for Sam is, and honestly, Ali's reception of it, too, is really oriented around the idea of, like, well, it's scary to me that you, that I wouldn't have known. Right. That you wouldn't have told me. It's much more about him not telling her than the fact that he fucks his ex-wife the day that he's in bed with her saying, can we go pick out the engagement ring? And by the way, Sam didn't even try that bitch line. No. So like Sam didn't, hey, baby, I don't know that bitch line.

44:45That never happened. Prove it. Prove it. It's my word against hers. I divorced her. She crazy. Sam didn't even try it. Why would I have done that? I'm here with you right now. Exactly. I'm going to have sex with her Then come back and plan a life with you She's fucking crazy You just answered the phone She knows you're here She's saying it on purpose She's trying to put this on the message She's trying to break us up This is what they do Sam, very lazy Didn't even try I liked it He knew Allie was kind of a pushover And he was getting away with it Huge power play He was kind of on his console A little bit And then he was going to go tell Allie Hey, Hedy gave me a blowjob Just letting you know He was This is so crazy.

45:24He was going to be honest again. He did. He says, I'm going to tell her. My dog. How can you tell her? Right. Like, you nut it, dog. 25 seconds. It's one thing. She comes in. We can get to it. Wait, we got to wait on that one. I have the, how would Van Lathan get out of this one? Should be changed to how would Sam get out of this one? Right. Hey, come on. It was our anniversary. Right. What was I going to do now, fucker? Yes, incredible. Which we talked about right into the snooping game. I just want to say and this is another great this movie has 15 great movie tropes I love when our deranged future at the end of the movie is going to be a killer keeps a collection of all of their stuff from their life it's like I'm not only crazy but it's super easy to find a road map to how crazy I am always newspaper clipping The incriminating evidence is in one place and it's not even locked.

46:25And I left it on my bed and then I threw a wet towel on it so you know I didn't want you to see it. So you definitely go back and look later. Not even hiding in the shoebox. There's no sweater over it. It's like shoebox evidence like a big name tag on it. I love it. My favorite scene that's also the most frustrating scene in the movie is the sex club. Oh. Which features Ali just walking 12 feet behind Hedy for locks on end not worried that Hedy's going to turn around and see her it's not even just 12 feet behind the best part of it is that then Hedy goes down the stairs which means she can literally see she's the worst spy ever all of a sudden we're playing Enigma which is big horny music Enigma and Enigma were the two horny music things and we have this sex club yeah there's like, I guess a live sex show happening.

47:20Yeah. There's people in cages. Yes. Yeah. It's like a BDSM club. We're there for 38 seconds. Yeah. And it's like, this is, what else is going to happen in this club? Hedy's having a drink, pretending she's Allie. Right. Using her name. And then we're just gone. We're back in the apartment. It's like, can I have six more minutes? Well, you get one thing that's very important is Allie gets, Allie gets approached. Right. By lady. That's right. Continuing the very present LGBT subtext that exists in this movie, which is the same-sex attraction thing that they keep playing with. Is this obsession not sexual?

47:58Is this obsession sexual? Allie, in rebuffing the lady, basically reiterates to the audience that she's not down for that type of shit. She's not lickety-split, right? That lady was also kind of scary. That lady was kind of scary. You want to play? No, I don't. She's like, hey, girl, at least not with you. By the way, filmed at a club. This will be for Mallory and I. Filmed at a club. Not, come on guys. Filmed at a club. The name of the club? The Hellfire Club. That's right. Yep. Shout out Stranger Things. That's where this was filmed. Dungeons and Dragons. I was looking for the name of the club.

48:30I just had more questions. I wanted to be there longer. What happens there? Is there like private rooms? I bet. Are there mattresses? No question. What else is going on? Right. And then why would Hedy know about... Hedy, this is the one scene I don't feel like adds up with headaches. She's like this socially awkward librarian who all of a sudden is at this sex club where everybody knows her. Yeah, because notoriously no one ever lives a life in the day. Right. And then that life is incongruent with what they do when they... I'm not saying that. It just feels like they cut out a scene. Yeah, maybe.

49:05Yeah, I can see that. I just felt like the way they presented her was incongruous with her just waltzing into this club as a second person. Is she in that world? Does she participate in the BDSM stuff? Why is she there? I think that question kind of works, actually. Because it's like, to your point, you can believe that she's maybe always had this secret life and the, like, I showed up in my frock with my frizzy hair and convinced you that I was just this, like, bumpkin is an act. Or you can believe that she was that person and has been that person. The entire time and was playing a part of Setti.

49:40When she puts on Ali's skin It allows her to go do this thing That she has maybe wanted to do How would she know about that club? Bill It's New York I know but I'm just saying I feel like I'm missing a scene Do you think that the movie I can see what you guys are saying with that Do you feel like the movie though Over the course of a couple of scenes Is hinting that there's something more to her Meaning she's clearly trying to subdue Sam She's staying there in her panties That's where I'm getting at I needed one more with this. Right. And then you also see that she tries to kiss him before, that there is some part of her that isn't as safe and mousy and non-sexual as what we think, that there's more to her and she's been able to hide it before.

50:24I think Sam steps in. I do. I don't think he's able to resist. Oh, yeah. As she says, men are dogs, right? And Sam certainly is. I think that the fact that we know definitively, there are questions about Hedy. We'll get to them in some of the unanswerable questions maybe, including the original trauma. what happened she's Ellen what happened to Judy the other twin uh but you know she has this like line about well my parents like the last you know the girl in Tampa called them two in the shoebox the newspaper clippings that you mentioned like some of it is about the twin who drowned but there are newspaper clippings in there about automobile accidents my read on this is that there is a long trail of dead bodies and lives like the western union lady says that she's like oh you're always a different person.

51:10You're a different person. So I think that the sexual, I'm sorry, that's, that blowjob is delivered by a person who has given some blowjobs for sure. Like Hedy is a sexual person and so part of it is like, she is mentally ill. Face down masturbator. yeah. Face down masturbator. She's experimenting with not only different motions but different modes of pressure, right? Good for her. Get to know your own body. But, why not? Try new things. Find how it works for you. Sure. You know? she is mentally ill right there's like a lot of you know actual scholarship and then like half-assed internet scholarship about what actually like what affliction does she have borderline personality disorder what is going on what sort of sociopathic tendencies are here I just assume she she had separation with her twin sister that she never for you it's all trauma well let me ask you guys a kind of fundamental question she's trying to replace her sister that's how I took the movie did she kill her sister and then has lived with that regret.

52:09I think she accidentally killed her. I think she killed her. I think she killed her. She didn't try to. Yeah. And so, accidentally murdered her. Although, although, although, at the end, they say in the voiceover. Yeah, but although, well, they say her parents tried to tell her it wasn't her fault, but that doesn't mean it wasn't. Right. At the same time, though, there is a part where she is talking to Allie and she is talking about the fact that in a way she resented her sister. for leaving her. But she says one twin is always sort of prettier. Exactly. The other one does the hard work. The other one does the hard work.

52:40So there did seem to be some animus between her and her sister that would like need to motive and intent. I think it's definitely possible. There's a really valid read that it was an accident. And then she, or something happened in that moment that then set her down the course of doing this stuff on purpose from there, which is what the ending of the movie positions Ali to be, right? This thing happened that was not of her design. But then she's got like the split face photo and she's like, maybe Ali's the sociopath moving forward now. But I think because of that line that you quoted, the idea that the one twin is always prettier, there's this covetous aspect right away.

53:17My canon is that she killed her twin on purpose. It doesn't mean she didn't then miss her or regret her and spend her entire life trying to fill that void. But the jealousy and the longing are inextricable for her. It's like the JFK assassination. Unanswerable question. Our next scene... Yeah. The blowjob.

53:41It's a great, like, the hip is elevated to, like, yeah, amazing. So I have thoughts here. Yeah. Number one, the first thing I have to say is, this leads me to believe that Allie isn't sucking enough dick. And I'll tell you. Well, because you wouldn't know it was Allie just from the top of her head. Right. She's doing something a little extra special. Different technique at a minimum. She does different technique. Whoa, whoa. You at least mention it. You'd be like, oh, what the fuck? Babe, what's good? And then you go, you look down and go, oh, shit, that's not you. Yeah. But he doesn't really do that.

54:18Well, he kind of does. He's like, Ali? But at the same time, he, like, look. No, it's Hedy. It's Hedy. It's Hedy. It's Hedy. And then. He has. Why do you think they call me Hetty, Sam? He has the clear chance to opt out. A clear chance to opt out. And he goes. Well, that's the question. We're on that ride. There's no question. There's no question at all. He rides this to the end. And then afterwards, you legitimately watch the scene. He turns over and does the shameful after sex pose. No question. Fetal position of shame. Fetal position, you turn over and grab it like you're ashamed. He does that.

54:59This is one of the best scenes of the 90s. Craig, what was your reaction? Did you watch it with Liz? I did, yes. What was your reaction? I would love to know how many relationships ended right after the movie when the guy driving home went, well, I mean, he was pretty close to finishing. It's kind of hard to stop. You don't know what it feels like. What's it's building? What are you going to do? Oh, my God. I mean, it's honestly one of the best scenes of the 90s for me. It's incredible. It's iconic. it's so fucking funny to watch it with somebody who hadn't seen it I mean I'm watching obviously not a scene I'd want to really watch with my daughter yeah right wouldn't be in my top 10 yeah but you did no I kind of went like this because I didn't want to pretend I was watching but then as it unfolded it was so fucking funny my daughter my wife reacting and then leading to the whole they have a great argument oh it's amazing it starts like escalating and it just leads to all of a sudden he's getting a shoe in the eyes This guy's fucking done.

55:58What a last 10 minutes of life. Yeah, for him. Yeah, I know. Blown by somebody you thought was your girlfriend, but wasn't. But you kind of went with it anyway. Did he think it was his girlfriend, though? In the beginning, for sure. In the beginning, he did. In the beginning when she first walks in. But, God, I just don't believe. Exactly. After a certain point that you don't know. A hundred percent. Sam fucking knew. Again, it is only 25 seconds, which is tough for Sam. So you timed this. 25 seconds. Very tough. But don't you think he got scared and excited that it was heady? and that kind of got it going.

56:2825 seconds, Sam. No nine-minute van, you know? It's like eight minutes and 35 seconds. I'll tell you guys, though. I'll tell you guys, though. Like, he... It's just so funny that nine minutes is a Herculean... You put it out. You said nine minutes, though. That... The fact that she is so dope. We're talking about one of them ones. Like a fucking Lacey Duvall, Pinky type of situation going on. Shout out to them and everything that they've contributed. But like the fact that she's one of them ones like that, Tiana Trump, I'm not gonna go on. But like it. But you could. That makes sense that she was going to the sex club.

57:07Yeah, yes, exactly. That makes sense that she's going to the sex club. She really undercover freak. You see that blowjob and you know that she has, in how many different guises and disguises and assumed personas, she sucks some dick before that is clear. There we go, Sam. The blue light. Unbelievable stuff. Yo, by the way, I believe sincerely that Hedy has an ironclad self-defense case in the killing of Sam. Sam rushed her. I mean, it's not Florida where you could do that five or six times. Yeah, she definitely gets off. Yeah, in Florida. Although the prosecutor would be like, why did you go into Sam's room at 3.45 in the morning dressed as your roommate?

57:52And he's dead. He's got a stiletto to the eye, so he can't say, I was violated. That's tough. Sam called. He wanted to talk to Allie. She was asleep. And he said, have her surprise me. He said, why don't you come over? No. Sam said, why don't you come over? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I said, okay. Yeah. And I came over. Yeah, the cover story would be pretty easy to spin, for sure. Sam, the fact that he's expecting, because he said to Hedy, like, have her surprise me, that he's expecting Allie to show up. That Hedy has the haircut, that she's wearing the, like, shiny silver trench coat. One of the worst coats of the 90s.

58:26Really awful. Really bad. Their bodies are so radically different. Like, there's like a half a foot in height difference. The second she's up against him in bed, come on. You know that's not your girlfriend. The second she starts sucking your dick, you definitely know that's not your girlfriend. You gotta know. The technique is so different. I have a hot take. Greatest orgasm of Sam's life. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, there are worse ways to go. He's half a sleep. He's woken up the old-fashioned way. Yeah. Realizes that it's heading. He's kind of already been thinking about, maybe I should whip it in there one time, and here we go.

59:01Right. And just really went with it. He sure did. He had a great time. So on the back side, that's not outrage. He's taking out his misplaced guilt on her. A hundred percent. Because, as we said many times, could have stopped her. The moment he, no, it's heady. Yeah. You're just rolling over like, what the fuck are you doing? Right. Did not do that. No, he didn't. He's like, huh. No, he didn't. Great to see you. What a scene. Incredible stuff. Read this rewatchable scene of all time. I feel like I remember over the last few years, you pantomiming the scene of the guy who doesn't want to get the blowjob that he's getting.

59:38Is that from this movie or is there another movie where this happens? It is this. I couldn't remember if it was a previous movie we had already covered or if it's single white female. I don't know what to do with the last rewatchable scene. We already know what won, but there's a couple different scenes when Hedy loses her mind. Yeah. And I don't know. I like when she's about to kill Ali with the knife. if Allie gets scared. Can we count the entire last 40 minutes? I mean, it's basically a whole one long scene. Yeah, it's like 30, 40 minutes. Yeah. So we all have the shoe scene as most rewatchable.

1:00:13Okay. Has to be. What's the most 1992 thing about this movie? I had eight entries. So what was your best one? I think, especially given the role it plays in the plot, landlines and answering machines. Like someone leaving you a message that plays aloud in your home. this is not a thing that happens. And also the you have no messages was a very 90s. Yeah, and being able to like someone else just goes into your house they play the tape they rewind the tape you know, they don't need your phone password to like hear your messages. Dan, what was your favorite 1992 thing? They literally explain the internet then use it.

1:00:50Yeah, yeah. They literally go right early. Like yeah, they literally go hey, you can book a flight which by the way I did not know that you could book a flight using the internet in 92. I did not know that you could do that. I'm positive you could. Yeah, well they literally explain the internet and then they use it. Yeah. Also, at the end, boiler rooms in movies. Oh, yeah. This is a thing that used to exist all the time. Shit would happen in the boiler room. It would be a big boiler room situation. I just don't see as many fucking boiler rooms in movies. I guess horror movies, kind of. Boiler room.

1:01:17Got boiler room in the movie. Dial up modem sound, too, on the internet front. That's just, that takes you back. That's great. This depiction of also these New York apartments, like, this reminds me, like, remember the apartment in Rounders? We reroute Rounders and we go, look at that apartment. but she got way the fuck up. I have Enigma. Finding a roommate in a newspaper. Yeah, classified ads for sure. Erasing an answering machine message as a plot device. The early internet stuff. Just seeing old school email like when they show the computer when she's making the airplane trip just felt very 92.

1:01:53But for me, the most 1992 thing is Bridget Fonda. Just like her with this and singles at the same time just feels very rooted in that year to me. More so than snail mail? Someone mailing you keys? Yeah, that's it. People don't really use a postal service anymore. Would Bridget Fonda make the top five Gen X darlings of the 90s? She'd have to. A thousand percent. Who would they be? It would be Winona Ryder. It would be Bridget Fonda. Oh, Winona's. Winona's. Winona's is number one. Multiple lists. That's a great one. Winona is the number one Gen X darling queen. Without a doubt. I think Ethan, Ethan, are we going male, female, or just female?

1:02:27You can go male if you want to. Because I think Ethan Hawke is like, you think Gen X, you think Ethan Hawke. Yeah, Ethan Hawke is there. I mean, we're really just doing the cast of Reality Bites. No, I'm just saying, like, when you think Gen X, it's those two movies. Right. But Bridget Fonda would have to be in there because Singles is one of those films as well. But she definitely would be in there. I would have Josh Hamilton and Kicking and Screaming. That feels distinct to me. But then all the music from back then would be the other one. John Cusack? Without a doubt. Yeah, he's more late 80s.

1:02:56You don't think so? I think he's late 80s. Oh, okay. I would have put him up there, but I guess. I have a 1992 thing. Yeah. Taking a Polaroid of your roommate candidates. Yeah. So you know what they look like. Right. Yeah. It's just insane to me. Paperclips. Making them pose like you're at TSA. It's crazy. Yeah, that is weird. Oh, we're going to take a break and then do the Floyd Gondoli Award. Mm-hmm. All right, the Floyd Gondoli Butter in My Ass, Lollipops in My Mouth Award for something I just enjoy. What do you have, Mel? So we already did the do I want to fuck you, kill you, or be you story, which doesn't have to be two women like this, like Talented Mr.

1:03:35Ripley, right? Any movie that kind of orients around that idea. But because we already talked about that, I will throw out to you guys something that in a movie we don't enjoy would feel disqualifying. But when it's done well, I just fucking love, even when it is so telegraphed and absurd. A Chekhov's TK list that is as tall as this New York apartment building. The air ducts. the incinerator, the elevator screwdriver, the stilettos. Every single object or aspect that is going to prove crucial in the plot has like a blaring siren when it is presented to us. It is undeniable that it will play a role in the climax of the film.

1:04:14And then they all do. All of them. And it shouldn't work. But I love it. I just enjoy it. Check off sex. That's mine. I love crazy women in movies, man. Yeah. I love crazy women in movies. The crazier the better. Fatal attraction, single wife, female, a thin line between love and hate. There's never been a crazy woman in the movie that I have not enjoyed. And I especially like it. I mean, this is the lifetime motto of crazy women and crazy ex-husbands or boyfriends. Ripley is kind of in there. Yeah. He's in that because there's a scene in Ripley to me where he's dressed up like him. And he's...

1:05:01Oh, he's like dancing. Yeah. And Juh-Haw comes in. He's like, what the fuck are you doing? Incredible movie. Funny. But I love it. And I especially love the scene where the characters no longer play like that woman isn't crazy anymore. Right. Hey, bitch, you out of your fucking mind. I love it. So this movie to me is the energy is everybody finding out that she's crazy. and her no longer caring about trying to hide the fact that she is deeply, deeply disturbed. There's been 40 years of these movies really starting with Fatal Attraction. And I think I've seen 99.8 % of them. I would have guessed 100%.

1:05:38Even like when Hilary Swank made hers. Which one was hers? She was the one when she was The One Night Affair. I don't think I've seen this. It's a black couple. I can't remember who the actors are. Oh, you're talking about it just came out? It came out like two years ago. two or three years ago. No, I didn't get a chance to watch it. Coleco went and saw it. I didn't see it though. Yeah. They make it every year. They just put different actors in it and it works every time. Classic for a reason, yeah. My Floyd Gondali, when a movie or TV character has an inexplicably incredible apartment that becomes a character in the thing.

1:06:13So this apartment wins the Den of Thieves Benihana scene still in the location. Yeah, for sure. It also wins the Amanda Dobbins work for best piece of real estate. And it's used in a great way. And I was thinking like the best apartments in movies. We just did this with Ghostbusters. That was a good one. Devil Wears Prada. Yeah. Her apartment's great in Hathaway's. And then Ghost has a really good one. Sure. All New York City. But there's been some good ones over the years. But this is a good one because I really feel, like I said before, about the… Yes. Where you never know where you are in the apartment I think really helps the movie.

1:06:47Yes. There's never lights on. No. It's always dimly lit and creepy. Always natural light. There's another good one too. that I always loved as a kid. When he finally starts to get money in big. Oh, yeah, that's the best. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great one. When he finally starts to get money in big and then he puts all that kid-like stuff in that apartment. That's like a fantastic... The bunk beds. Yeah. The pop shot. I looked up this apartment complex. So right now, the cheapest apartment there is about$700 ,000. They go all the way up to$3.5 million. But if you want to rent, you can actually get an apartment at the Estonia on the Upper West Side for$5 ,000 a month.

1:07:27Yep. Does it still have the incinerator? Because that would be a big thing for me. Is the screwdriver still on a string in the elevator? That$5 ,000 a month apartment is 574 square feet. Well, I mean, that's the thing about this set. You have like the basement, you have the whole apartment, you have the air vents, but their actual apartment, to your point, Bill, about like the, you know, I just enjoy it. She's like a struggling computer designer. It doesn't make any sense. And the cover of like the rent control and the history with the former business partner and she inherited this place and their separation, which makes absolutely no sense.

1:08:03None of that. That's all just lampshading to explain how she has this place and can't let it go. Why she can't leave you in. Yeah, it is absurd how large that apartment is. Well, the most famous TV example of this was the friend's apartment. Of course, yeah. Because you have Monica and Rachel living there. Rachel's, both of them are scraping by. She's like a wannabe chef. Rachel's a waitress. And they have this like spectacular two-bedroom ton of light. Was there a better title for this movie? Is a category we never do? I just wanted to flag this one because I think this is one of the best titles of the 90s.

1:08:37It's great. Single White Female is just an incredible title. You know exactly what the movie is. I think it got used in the years later. Like Single White Female became like kind of a running joke. Like if you had a roommate That turned out to be a little Yeah it's become a verb It's like worked its way Into the vernacular It became an actual Like psychotic Yeah Thing It became an actual thing It's a shorthand for Single wife female syndrome You know somebody's roommate's nuts What stage is the best Other than early 90s Bridget Fonda Just wearing cute outfits And various stages of dress For two hours So A I put Killing putting animals in danger For the sake of story No I mean Wow that's a direct attack I have to say I'm shocked.

1:09:20It aged the best. It didn't age well, but it aged the best because everybody is doing it now. Wait, can I interrupt you on that one? What? Because that was one of my what's aged the best. My wife's reaction every time there's some sort of pet murder or injury in a movie. It's horrible. She's seen this movie 20 times, and as soon as Buddy comes in, she's like, oh, no. It's tough. Oh. It's like, you already know what's going to happen. Why are you getting upset? Anyway, go ahead. Crushing. I gotta say this Jennifer Jason Leigh is fine Okay It looks great Hedy's Naked body Yeah Has aged the best Perky Perky Bruh Every time I'm like I'm watching the movie I'm like Fuck Aging the best Is me realizing That Hedy's kind of my type And I'm actually Kind of fucking with Hedy You know what I mean If there was If like That's all tracks Does there need to be more black people in the movie?

1:10:19Yes, they needed a brother. What's not your type is a better question. On the top floor, the next floor, that like, I don't know, he worked for UPS or something like that. This movie wouldn't have even existed because he would have taken Hedy off of their hands. He'd have been hanging out with fucking Darius.

1:10:37Where's Hedy at? Hedy up here. He would have said it through the vent. Hedy up here. You're about to order some pizza, okay? Don't worry about where Hedy at. Like, the war I watched this, I was like, yeah, man. Every time she was like taken off guard by Hedy, like being naked, I was like, I want to be taken off guard a little bit more. She was doing her thing, man. She sure was. What do you have, Beth? I think we've hit most of them. Just the roommate horror premise kind of paired with the erotic thriller framework, the two lead performances, the specificity of the haircut. We already talked about the haircut, but it's not just that Hedy gets Allie's haircut and Allie has like a bob or something.

1:11:13This is the most specific cut and color so that there's no way to get that cut and not tell Ali and us everything we need to know about this character. It's just such a perfect choice. Yeah, red hair and a distinct cut. Yes. A combo. Yeah, oh, I just, I didn't think you'd mind. Probably not a haircut that really took off either. No. Well, I have. This was not like Rachel and Friends. I have a rebuke of that, and it's going to be in recasting. Okay. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I think Ali's fashion has aged quite well. It's kind of iconic. It's just fantastic, except for that one shiny coat. And yeah, not just like the apartment as a character, but this kind of vibe of New York as a setting.

1:11:53You have this like classic Upper West Side apartment building and this kind of like aspirational slice of life. But then you have the sex club. You have this idea of like a city where you can go to reinvent yourself. The fact that neither of them are from there is really perfect. Like they've both sought it out for different reasons. It's all great. I have any scary movie within an incinerator. Terrifying. The moment you see that thing, you just know shit's going down. Yes. My biggest thing, though, Peter Friedman is Graham, the cat-loving gay neighbor. Frank from Succession. I shouted at my TV.

1:12:25Frank! I was watching him going, where the fuck do I know this guy? And I'm just staring it down. And I realized when he said, you have my dick in your hand, Hetty, but I have yours in mine. Oh, no, he didn't say that. but I just can't believe this is Frank yeah just picture Graham Bald it's Frank there he is Frank knew not to do Boar on the Floor sure did so Carl you fucking do Boar on the Floor I'm gonna be over here it's as good as TV ever got man but yeah so did you know that was Frank well no not at first I looked up the character and then I saw yeah not at first fucking Frank I could have enjoyed Succession completely differently I know if I knew he was on your next song or rewatch that's the thing that's where it'll come in handy The whole time.

1:13:07Great Jack Order Award, I think is the shot of her with the tape over mouth when she's doing this as Hedy's like wreaking havoc behind. Just the way they use. It's really legitimately scary for like five seconds. It is scary. I took the stiletto to the eye though. Pretty good. I wish I, I feel like CGI would have done a better job. Yeah, there's just, I have so many questions about the physics of that. There's a really good shot, I thought, of when Allie is in the foreground and she's silhouetted and just she's all black, but she's like taking off her clothes and then Hedy comes up behind her and you can fully see Hedy but Ali's in the front and all black and you can't see her.

1:13:42Yeah. Fully silhouetted by the light. It's really good actually. Look at you. But you got an answer now. Oh shit. Great one. It's great. Great stuff. I like the way the end credits play over the taped together photos of half of each of their faces. That's like a kind of tantalizing image to close on in terms of thinking about Ali's future from there. Craig, I'll let you take Like the Chess Rockwell and Brock Landers word for best character name since you made the joke last night. Heddy? Yeah. Yeah, they knew what they were doing. Great stuff. Heddy. Heddy. Heddy. Heddy. That Raj review has a great quote about her name.

1:14:19Her name is Hedra Carlson. He didn't make a blowjob joke like Craig, but you know, that's why we need all of these different creative thinkers. That's why voices matter. She is played by Jennifer Jason Leigh as a sweet face, friendly little innocent. Those are the ones you have to look out for. I cannot find Hedra in my unabridged dictionary and yet somehow the name teases me surely it is the name of a mythological beast that is in the actual Roger Ebert review which I assume means he thought Hydra Hydra incredible oh yeah yeah yeah great stuff Kid Cudi Pursuit of Happiness where Best Needle Drop obviously Enigma no question no question the subtitling on that is so good men singing Gregorian chant with disco drum beat.

1:15:06Mallory of a flex. You can skip it because I think you might have already done it. I did. I did the Rose from Titanic characters Nikki sucks for Graham. Let's see. He really did suck. He did suck. He's got some notes for Graham. And then he's just lying in the bathtub with his cat for two days. Poor Carmen. My wife and I were talking about that last week. That's a nitpick. Well, I think he's unconscious until then. We were like, would Murph lie in the bathtub with us if we were unconscious because crazy Hedy knocked us out with a golf club. It's like a relief that Hedy didn't kill Carmen the cat but it's a different form of torment to like leave him there to feed off of Graham who she thought she had killed.

1:15:43It's very upsetting. I guess for like the did this movie need a better sex scene? You know, we get a lot. We have Ali, Sam make up chair sex at the hotel which we already talked about. Sam and Ali fucking at the apartment. Ali seeing Hedy masturbating. The severe vibe shift into Mitch unbuttoning his pants because he thinks that he's about to get to blowjob as he is trying to rape Allie. The sex club, and then, of course, the blowjob sequence, which we've already talked about, and then Allie kind of kissing Hedy at the end so that her throat isn't slit. So did we need anything beyond that? On the apartment front, this caught my eye on a rewatch.

1:16:18You guys notice the mirror above the bathtub? Oh. I think we could have availed ourselves of that in some way. Allie's taking a bath. Hedy comes in. It's uncomfortable. She's encroaching. she's going too far. She just wants to like offer to wash Allie's hair or something like that. But really, she's looking in the mirror to try to see all the things she wants to see. Maybe she offers to just like wash her back. Where does the hand go? That scene fits perfectly in this movie. It does. And I think it sets up to your point about like the single white female seeking single white female in a different way.

1:16:51The subtext is there already. So to make it more active text, I think. And also, I think we just could have gotten, there's plenty of heady voyeurism already, but a more like clear, how's the peeping Tom Hedy is just like watching through the crack in the door Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Tommy Sam and Ali fuck Tommy how's the peeping how's the peeping I have a note on the Mallory Rubin category even though it's your category Tommy just I don't the chair sex scene I don't know not enough light we're fucking with it it felt very like the intimacy coordinator was staging it I just felt like very acted that was before all that bullshit we didn't have that then I know it just felt like we should just go for it Bridget Fonda she's naked a few times in this movie but not really right it's always like discreet or she's covered or whatever it's like you know what you signed up for it's incredible what's age the worst listening to someone in a different apartment through an air vent tough crazy tough does anyone know anyone that was ever able to do this in real life because I don't you know what this just this was just used as a technique I thought wonderfully in sentimental value did you guys see this movie last year the stuff gorgeous film so they had the like from upstairs you could hear into the downstairs study this comes up this is a thing this was a real action movie thriller device though for a decade I think there's a giant nitpick here that we can hit later but wasn't there like a reality show about people in prison where they would talk to each other through their toilets or something like that oh wasn't there's like love after lockup or something like that because the sound is like traveling through the pipes yeah where they would talk through the toilets or something whatever I just don't know what your cable habits are I apologize don't you?

1:18:33Ali's crazy silver purple raincoat horrible there was no era where this coat made sense awful heady kicking the puppy terrible we mentioned the early 90s sexual harassers in movies were just the most over the top version of them I have a related I don't know the guy from Groundhog Day they ruined Ned Ryerson from Groundhog Day come on Ned Ryerson is just like a maniac And the movie flirts with the fact that he might save the day. This is my what's age the worst. This is genuinely like, you watch it now. The horrible sexual harassment. The brief attempt at redemption for the would-be rapist Mitch.

1:19:08That's what Liz said. I was like, really? I think we edit that out now. There's a note on that now. But then she's all tied up and he goes to basically untie her, but gets on top of her. He's still Mitch Meyerson. You kind of think he's going to undo her and go, yeah, I saved you. What you got for me? What the fuck? What do you have? Anything? Okay, two things. Number one, this movie never happens today because you Google your new roommate. I mean, yeah. The technology. You Google the roommate and then you see all the fucking shit and you don't do it. And then number two, this has really aged the worst to me.

1:19:43The 80s and 90s kink shaming that used to go on is crazy. Think about it. Like you have to be a freak if you went to this club. That's right. Seven. Police Academy. Remember the running joke in Police Academy about the blue plate lounge or whatever was going on. There was an assault on the BDSM community in the 80s and 90s that I don't appreciate. Yeah. Right? And we're over that. I'm with you. We're over that. Billions opens with Chuck Rhodes getting burned with a cigarette butt and pissed on. And that's how it should be, folks. Yeah. And we're back. You know when it ended? Come all the way around.

1:20:16You know when this assault ended? It ended when the BDSM club was kind of the club that outed Vito Spadafore in the surprise. Because he was there. It's a fucking joke. You better not tell anyone. After that, we kind of came to it because we love Vito. Any other, what's age the worst? Because I have two more. I think just like Ali colon tech genius. Oh, you don't like it. What is her business exactly? But this is, we've talked about this in other pods. 92 to 95, you could basically do anything with the internet and nobody knew anything about the internet so you could just pull it off. Crazy. Like, yeah, she's just...

1:20:55And then the account shuts down in 24 hours. Right, she's like... None of this stuff exists. Enough of a coding genius to put in a payment bomb. But the business seems to be basically like changed from solid olive to leopard print with one click. And when Mitch, the rapist, asked to see it, it's like, here's the invoice. It's proprietary, yeah. And I can't get any clients, even though I'm a coding genius. Never see her working, coding, anything. She just seems like she goes to get ice cream. Great old school laptop though. Alright, I have a couple important what's age the worst. Okay. When Hedy dies, when Allie kills her, I really think it needs a line like, you're off the lease.

1:21:38Like some sort of Schwarzenegger line. I think we need some sort of levity there. You're evicted. Yeah. This is your eviction notice. This is your eviction notice. Because the movie is so campy at that point. Like just have fun with it. Now you don't need to find another apartment. this quote did you know that identical twins are never really identical there's always one who's prettier and the one who's not does all the work she used me and then she left me just like you I'm giving this the earn this award for the line that should have been shown to William Goldman first they're just pouring it on a little too much let's do better with our screenwriting guys and then this is just for me personally but the Jennifer Jason Leigh I have to give her the Ted Levine Award for a performance so good and distinct.

1:22:23It may have ruined the actress' career. Did not ruin her career. It ruined her for me. I just see Hedy after... Every movie she made after this, I'm like, watch out for her. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking? I mean... It's way up there. Oh, you have her way up? I have her lower because I actually feel bad for her and kind of liked her. No. I'm sorry. The puppy killed her. She threw Buddy off the balcony. Previously had kicked Buddy. leaves Graham's cat to feed off of his supposed corpse. She thought it was a corpse. Also murders a lot of people. But it's the animal stuff for me that takes it up to...

1:22:57She was activated but at the same time she's called... Okay. Ruffalo hand and ribbon and cartridge overacting word. Obviously, Stephen Tobleski. Just Stephen Tobleski. Yeah. Just dialing it up as Mitch Meyerson. Boy, is he. He's basically like... He had to go back the other way with Groundhog Day to just make us like him again after the Mitch Myers thing. What do you have for your flex, Van? Lists, I'll be quick. Top five, this motherfucker is crazy moments in movies. Like the moment in the movie you realize that this character is out of their fucking mind. Number five is a tie. Bishop in Juice and O-Dog in Men's Society.

1:23:36The killing of the convenience store people in these movies where you go, yo, why did you do that? You're crazy. Number four, Hedy comes down the stairs. with the new haircut. With the new haircut. Just an all-time... No, she's really out of her goddamn mind moment. Yeah. Number three, still a scene that creeps me out, the Annie I hate profanity moment from Misery. You remember this? Yeah, sure. He's going crazy over where he realizes, yo, I'm in trouble. Number two, the Fight Club self-beat-up. Yeah, sure. By Ed Norton. You could also go with later on when you realize that it's all in his head and there's no Tyler Durden.

1:24:18Spoiler. Number one is clear. The craziest moment of anybody that's ever been crazier in the movie is Buffalo Bill. Yeah, of course. In the goodbye horses scene. Of course. Would you fuck me? I was going to say, I would fuck Buffalo Bill movie. Yeah, you're right. He's now got the skin on and the whole nine. You're looking at this, this is the craziest character we've had in the movie ever. We've done a number of those on Rewatchables. Strong list. anything she's gotta get the hose again isn't she precious I would've thrown Wangrow in there oh Wangrow Wangrow just shoots the guard in the van there's no reason I had to get it on but you could go for that you also could go for the time that Wangrow like randomly kills a prostitute for no reason but we already know he's crazy we already know he's crazy but we know that he's got an impulse control problem at first the second one is this guy's actually like a homicidal maniac.

1:25:16Just killing random... Gans in 48 Hours is a good one, too. Yeah. Oh, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. Yeah. I kind of did mine with Fonda and Sandra Bullock. I have another one, but I feel like Van's going to do it or one of you is going to do it. I have two. One of them is what Van kind of already has alluded to a couple times, which is like, Petty, better roommate than Allie? Is this where you want to talk about it a little more? Yeah, let's do it. This is Allie's fault. I think we all have this hottest take. A lot of this... I could make a... What's Allie asking for it?

1:25:46What's Allie... I could make an easy pro-Heddy argument here. Easy. Heddy fixes the plumbing. Makes breakfast. Offers to make dinner. Makes tea. Dries your wet clothing. Compliments your fashion. Encourages you to stand up for yourself at work. Defends you to your shitty boss. Allie snoops through your stuff. Yep. Allows Heddy to think that she was abducted and killed in the scary city of New York. Lies to her about the lease. Yeah, my boyfriend and I aren't coming back. Promises her she won't kick her out. The original sin of the movie is Hedy asking her, you're not just going to go back to him.

1:26:20Allie completely lies and then puts Hedy in a bad situation. Also, be a good roommate. She wants to hang out with you. Just like have breakfast with her for 40 minutes. It's not hard. Walks into her room while she... Watches her masturbate. Watches her masturbate. With the goddamn puppy. Yeah, buddy. Follows her to a sex club. She can't go to a BDSM club. By the way, goes through her stuff. Not the second time, but the first time. Yeah. She's like looking at her prescription pills. Looking at all of her shit. Going through her shit. Walks up to Graham's house, Graham's apartment, just to shit talk her for an hour.

1:26:55Right. With the vents. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. I do have a related sort of like the inverse of that hottest take. It's still an anti-Ali take, but it kind of is also thus an anti-Heady take. This gets back to the idiot plot thing. Okay. Allie too dumb to live? That's the take. Is Allie too dumb to live? I'm sorry. The list. She does get she does get very resourceful with about 15 minutes left in the movie. It's way too late. For reasons that make no sense. Turning up the volume on the TV smart. That was smart. Way too late. Savvy move. Way too late. Missing mail. Missing messages. The steady the growing volume of the matching outfits this person is stealing your wardrobe, got your exact same very distinct haircut, has a secret identity in a shoebox waiting for you to look through, uses your name at a sex club, responds to you going out for a night with your boyfriend by screaming at you, where the hell have you been?

1:28:02Finds you and your boyfriend in bed, goes and brings your boyfriend a soda, talks to him while he's naked, and then immediately go and masturbates with the door open. Says three's a crowd to your dog as she is feeding your boyfriend breakfast. Scares Mitch, appropriate, but does it by threatening his family? Worrying, right? Allie calls Ellen's parents and is like, I'm sure you have the phone number. Based on what? Why do you think they have the phone number? And know where your daughter, who has assumed a false identity, is? unfazed by a sink full of bloody clothes. All Hedy has to do is pretend she got her period.

1:28:45And Allie's like, yeah, that makes sense. That there's a sink full of blood. That's why you have blood on your gloves. It's like the fucking OJ Nicole crime scene. Your gloves are coated in blood. And you're like, this always hits when I'm wearing something nice. Allie, too dumb to live. I'm sorry. Wow. The only person I think dumber in all the From Hell series is the mom in Hand That Rocks the Cradle. She's like legitimately That's actually a poorly written character Yeah she's the stupidest person And we might have to deal with her in a later episode I have a Hottest take as As we're thinking about this That I didn't know I was going to have But I have now because you mentioned Mr.

1:29:21Ripley Is this movie a better ending If Allie just gets killed by Hedy and Hedy takes her life In the last 10 minutes She's just now Hedy I mean now just Allie I kind of think so She has all her clothes, she has her hair cut she's not on the lease. She just starts... I hadn't thought about it. She goes to the sex club and she's like, hey, Allie, what's... And it's just like, I've now taken your life. Well, I'll tell you what. It's a better ending than the ending we have. The movie is for some reason like more memorable because her becoming Allie. Allie doesn't know anyone. Allie doesn't seem to have any family.

1:29:54You could pretty much take over Allie's life in New York. Because honestly, works with Mr. Ripley really well. I really enjoy it when he becomes... What's his face? what's Jude Law's character? Dickie Greenlee. Dickie Greenlee. I like when he becomes Dickie Greenlee for a half hour. You know what's funny about the end of Mr. Ripley is with everything that Tom did you almost still feel sad for him at the end of the movie. Of course. That the walls are closing in on him. He had it all figured out. Cate Blanchett shows up on the cruise. Did you guys watch the Netflix Andrew Scott black and white remake of it a couple years ago?

1:30:26I thought that was really good. Yeah, I tried. Okay. There's a great cat in that one too. There are no casting what ifs for this movie. I got no. The one we mentioned. I had none. There's not a... Oh, no. We have to do recasting. I'm confusing. Best that guy word is clearly Steven Tobolowsky. Ned Ryerson. Anytime he's in a movie, Did you know what his name was, Craig? No. Although I'm starting to learn it. He's been in enough of these movies. I will shout out. I mean, he was just a that guy for Basic Instinct. Brief moment in this movie is the happy Gilmore grandma. Yeah. Francis Bay. That's a great one.

1:30:55Honestly, the winner might be Graham for this. Yeah. It's Frank from Succession, but I'm not positive if I knew his name was Peter Friedman. Did you know that was his name, Ben? Nope. Yeah, I think that might be the answer. Dan Waiter's a word weirdly as Steven Weber. He's only in like three scenes. How interesting. I went with... Including... Oh! You could go with him. I don't know why I thought he was in the movie too much. I went with Asshole Boss. Yeah, me too. Oh. I went with him. Mitch. Mitch, yeah. So you support sexual harassment. I got it. Recasting Couch Director or City? There's only five characters in this movie.

1:31:30I know. It's a small cast. It's a weird one. Like, I actually feel like there should have been another neighbor next door or... Yeah. Something extra. I don't know. Let's say for recasting. I like your idea of... Darius. Adopting Heddy. Darius. It's incredible. Hey, it's not enough. I love Heddy. Unbelievable. Hey, man, Heddy here? Yeah. Hey, come on, girl. Hey, come on. Don't worry about them. Hey, bring the dog, man. We want some of them. More of them. Heddy. Heddy here? We cool. We cool. Don't worry about it It's a great movie Incredible Recasting couch Halle Berry as your lead Oh man Same haircut Oh wow So what I thought about The iconic The boomerang haircut This is great The boomerang haircut Halle Berry as your lead This is why you're you Now You got all kinds of Fucked up shit Now you will probably Have to make the movie In like 96 Right Cause you know We're coming off the rise We don't need to Incite people more But like It's It's like We don't need to We needed to get back together.

1:32:30You know what I mean? We needed to get back on the same page. It reinstated the rights. Like, we don't need to get back. But, like, if you had Halle Berry in it, now you got something really fucked up. Great one. That makes the Sam scene a little tougher because Hedy is white, but it also makes it a little bit better. You know what I mean? Well, you have to recast Hedy, too. No. You don't think so? Nah. It's still single white female. Dickie's red. You leave it the exact same. Actually, they actually - You lose the red hair, red hair thing, but you gain you gain all of the stuff we can't talk about yeah you gain some really good stuff is the phrase single white female referencing Allie or Hedy well it's initially it's Allie it's single white female seek same is the classified ad that she puts in to look for a roommate she's not looking for a single white female she is a single white female both seek same so she's saying she's looking for it yes right exactly well ironically I was the next category I had thrown in here was the Van Lathan Award for did this movie need more black people I think we've answered it we needed Darius Darius from the fourth floor Craig what's your flex category I have kind of a lot I can throw I don't even know what category this is I guess it's a hot take I just think this movie features the weirdest sleeping arrangements and preferences that I've ever seen in a movie this drives me crazy when people turn around where their feet and heads are in the bed that makes no sense everyone is sleeping with the door open with roommates you just met why is everybody sleeping in like flimsy nightgowns I don't understand that at all Well, that's, I think, more like it's New York.

1:33:57We're set in a mood. Yeah, it's warm. It's sticky. Your windows are open. You have a brand new roommate, and you're just roaming around in some little gown. You're leaving your door. Like, they're not even locked, let alone closed. This is the female version of dudes whip their dicks out next to each other at the urinal. Like, if you have a roommate, you wear a nightgown without a bra. It's fine. Like, would you ever keep your door open when you're sleeping with roommates in your 20s? Like, were you doing that? I don't do it in my house now. I think it's crazy that all these doors The doors are wide open.

1:34:24Yeah, I prefer a closed door. Closed door is always a winner. They're so comfortable in this film. I don't know what category that you just created, but it's definitely something. I don't know what it is. The Single Way Female Sleeping Arrangements Award. Great one. Bizarre. Also, I had the same thing, the okay motherfucker, for the exact moment when this movie goes up a notch with Buddy the dog. But I think we need to add a category for, I don't think we have this. The second you see a character, you know they're going to die. Oh, love it. The second I saw Buddy, I was like, that dog's dead. Like, buddy's dick.

1:34:54Instantly right away. That almost was... I promise you, I swear on my dad, that almost was the list. The list was almost... I couldn't think of enough characters. The list was almost... And then I misremembered the movie because Graham survives the movie. But, like, Graham is a character and Sam, you know they're out of here. They fucking dead. Well, the Lany Time movies will have, like, somebody's friend who starts getting a little nosy. You're like, oh, no. We're gonna... It kind of fits on the Chekhov's list. It's like Chekhov's pet who the crazy roommate it's going to kill. And like even a subset within that is you know the moment.

1:35:27Because when she calls Buddy over and he won't come to her. You're like, well, this is it. She's going to kill Buddy now. I mean, because he prefers that leave. Buddy should have come over. Just like everybody else. The woman's a psycho. You got to suck up to her. Yeah, the bunny from Fatal Attraction is like that too. All right, we'll take one more break and then we'll rip through the rest. All right, half-assed internet research. So there's this poor test screening with the ending that got reshot. I really did a lot of recon on this trying to find out why I was different. I found an article about Schroeder said, the studio said I could go ahead and reshoot.

1:36:02There was a technical problem. I decided with the extra money I could do better. I ended up adding another beat to the climax. Spent$60 ,000 a day for two days. I don't know what the reshoot is, but when you watch it, it's one of those movies that feels like it's going to end and then it doesn't. And then it ends again. Yeah. And I wonder, like, was this a better movie if she just killed... The elevator fight scene is just the last scene. We never go back in. We're not climbing in vents. There's not a rat. We just get rid of that and they die in the elevator. Might have been the better way to do it.

1:36:34And the elevator is foreshadowed a little bit, too. It is. Screwdriver. Or like we do the whole... The elevator stops halfway through the floors and somebody gets dismembered or, you know... Yeah, that seems likely as well throughout the film. It just feels like something's missing with this. It seems like the movie... didn't really want to commit to Hedy's death. Hedy could have had a grander death. I mean, yeah. Even, like, there's something about the voiceover at the end where you're like, that sounds like Hedy talking. You know? Like, I think they're trying to heighten the theorizing and the mystery and the intrigue.

1:37:09What's the point of the photo with the split thing? Like, who would have that? I think to put Ali in the Hedy position, like, this trauma, and that goes back to the unanswerable of, like, did Hedy always mean to kill her twin or was it just a terrible accident or some impulse that then led her down this path? The idea that Ali has now done this thing that will lead her down this path and that she is now in the Hedy position. She's keeping Hedy's possessions. She's talking about trying to forgive herself. The ending of the book, which like Van, I have not read, but did a little like, okay, what happens in this book?

1:37:36It is really different. So that makes it even harder to try to figure out what they changed because it's so distinct from what the actual story is. You mentioned the Hellfire Club. Yeah. They wanted it to look like a club called The Vault, which was another fetish club, which is why they had the red signature V from The Vault, which I know you know. Probably not. But it was all an interior set. And then, so in the blowjob scene, Bridget Fonda is actually in there for a second because there was some, Jennifer Jason Leigh wasn't ready and they needed somebody for a shot. So she actually is in there at one point, which is why it's got to be seen.

1:38:14So that fucks with the audience a little bit too. Okay. Apex Mountain, Bridget Fonda 100 % definitely. For sure. 1992 was it. Jennifer Jason Leigh is a tougher one. I don't even really know what it is. She had a long really storied career. Fast Times, that's not it. You get here. It literally was her breakthrough role in a lot of ways. But then… But some would say Rush was. So it's probably early 90s somewhere. But then she gets… But then Hateful Eight is like an Academy Award nomination and now she's back and more relevant than almost ever. I mean, Fast Times is 82. Hateful Eight is 2015. that's just a long run of right what do you have for New York City movie apartments oh man got a lot of good ones including the Riders one you mentioned but it's probably Ghost right Ghost that apartment yeah Ghost is awesome that's a great one because there's also the shard of glass in the window that is set inside of the apartment which gives it a leg up on some of the other apartments that was inside the apartment right when they were making the fucking clay the pottery wheel you know Ghost poor Sam Ghost tells us what happens to people when they go to hell yeah it's true told you that before Stephen Webber, who's in this and Wings at the same time, I feel like this is it for him.

1:39:22It's crazy to me that he's the Wings guy. I loved Wings. There's a whole class of Stephen Webber-type guys that I thought were going to be a little bit more around. Tony Goldwyn was that until scandal comes. A whole bunch of guys, and they couldn't pierce past. They couldn't even get to the Kevin Bacon level, it seems like. They're just kind of gone. Puppy Murders? Apex Mountain? I think it's John Wick. Yeah, it's John Wick. John Wick. Is that a puppy in John Wick? I can't remember. Yeah, you're right. Like thousands died because that puppy died. Evil movie roommates? I think this is it. Yeah, I think so.

1:40:02And then Enigma, definitely. Yeah. You do a good chant. A good choral chant. Everyday Objects is murder weapons? Is it this, the stiletto, or is it the ice pick from Basic Instinct? Tough one. I got ice picks great. Because she uses it in a non-murder scene. Yeah. But the stilettos are also used in a non-murder scene because they have, they both try them on and it's like, who's going to buy them? Can I give an obscure one from a really popular movie? Of course. The Joker's pencil trick. Also on the John Wick front. Right, right, right. Going to make this pencil disappear. You remember that scene?

1:40:37I haven't seen Joker in a while. From the Dark Knight. From Dark Knight. Oh, Dark Knight. Like, I'm going to make this pencil disappear. Disappear. It's gone. And then he pushes the guy's head down. and goes through his eye. That is like for an interest to, he had already, we had already seen him for an interest to a character. It's a great one. We were in the arc like, fuck. Great one. It's gone. I wrote down how would Van Lathan get out of this one with question marks, but I feel like you already kind of did it. Unless you want to do it. Which one? Well, that's the thing. You could pick, you could pick the blowjob scene.

1:41:07You could pick the ex-wife anniversary scene, but I feel like you already did it. Yeah, let's get out of here because really, the only way to get out of this. Well, actually, can we do this? What? Hedy doesn't kill Sam. She leaves, storms out, and tells, tells Allie what happened. I went in, Sam called me over, and I ended up, I gave him a blowjob. Come on, say the quote. Say the quote. Say the exact quote. Allie, he came in my mouth and then he tried to beat the shit out of me because I wanted to tell you. Okay. That's a line in this movie. Well, let me tell you something. First of all, honestly, Incredible.

1:41:42Honestly, I feel I feel attacked having even had this conversation with you. That's the first thing. I want to let you know that first. Because you see her fucking haircut. Yeah. You see the haircut. Right. And forget about the fact that I... This woman's cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. She's fucking crazy. By the way, I didn't know it was you, but you even, like, indicting me over this after you've seen it. Let's go to her room right now. I bet you if we go to her room right now, we're going to find some crazy shit because that motherfucker is crazy. Now, did I enjoy it? That's not a question for you to ask me I'm a man There's biology to this situation Hattie said you knew it was her Then you kept going And that's not what happened at all First of all Like I didn't know it was her I was asleep No you can't say I didn't know it was her What?

1:42:25That's the You can't do it That's the one thing you can't do No you said you were asleep I wasn't even awake It was 3.30 in the morning You fess up to the blowjob Maybe you can get out of it You cannot say I thought that was you Oh let me tell you something That's the one You gotta go full toxic here though No You gotta go full toxic You gotta say You know what as a matter of fact I only lasted about 30 seconds and that's because I'm not getting what I need from you this is a separate conversation we gotta have yeah because oh the Bill Clinton strategy exactly yeah it worked for Bill we were missing something in the relationship there wasn't the spark that was there now I have to say after we get rid of her cause we gotta get rid of her cause I feel like she gonna go crazy me and you gotta get away yeah we gotta go away Santorini yeah beautiful there Santorini yeah beautiful there Cruz or Hanks so this would be for the Sam role I think it has to be Cruz really yeah Cruz and Sam Cruz fighting off the blowjob would be one of the great 10 seconds rewatchable sister oh yeah you're right why am I tripping Hanks could be Graham though Hanks could be Graham I don't know why I thought of like probably a step down for him a very common era bosom buddy era Hanks oh as Sam yeah Scorsese or Spielberg guess what guys we're retiring this category oh because last week we did it with Spielberg for 2001 we can't top it category's done put a fork in it we can't top that Craig no we had Spielberg himself weighing in on Scorsese or Spielberg and seemed to be really enjoying it yeah we do need to get Scorsese's take I'm gonna ask you a question we'll bring it back if Scorsese ever comes on I'm gonna ask you a question and I don't know if you're gonna be able to answer the question because of all the people you've ever interviewed and had on as I have to know this have you ever interviewed anyone who is as good or as cemented at the thing that they do which is one of the biggest things I'm not talking about like the best cornhole player in the world I'm talking about if you're talking about just movie making one of the five guys have you ever interviewed or anyone who is as good and successful at the thing that they do as Steven Spielberg it's hard You have to have like Muhammad Ali.

1:44:43You interviewed Bill Russell, right? That's a good one. The one moment I could think of that could match Spielberg was I interviewed Larry Bird beginning in 2012 and we were talking about modern players. And he did this whole thing about Kobe that literally changed my mind on how I felt about Kobe as a basketball player. He's like, Kobe Bryant's my favorite basketball player and here's why. And for like two minutes, I was just… It took Larry Bird to say it, huh? It really did. is this every time I think we're gonna get there? Every time I think we're gonna get there, people ask me all the time, like, Bill's actually a real friend of mine.

1:45:17He basically, Larry said something to piss me off. Larry Bird basically revealed I am a Kobe guy, not a LeBron guy. Oh, shit. Over the course of, like, 90 seconds. And it was, but Spielberg, like, no. It's nuts. Like, you can make an argument that the - He's the best director ever, probably. That he invented the blockbuster. Like, he's the reason why you go to the multiplex. Like, he is the reason why this podcast maybe exists in a way. After we finish the pod, Sean did his thing that Sam does after the blowjob. Or he just went in the fetal position. Pick and knits. Oh, boy. All right, go. Allie, just the most gorgeous computer coder designer ever.

1:45:54Yeah. He can be hot and smart. I'm okay with that one. Okay, I'm just pointing it out. The lights in the apartment were never on. Yeah. Yeah. Why kill Buddy? He's your only friend. Nobody likes you. Because she's not mentally well. Yeah, that's just a sign that she was truly crazy. I'd go with a buddy. This is your guy. Take him for some walks. Have some buddy time. She wants to be chosen and he did not choose her. Right. Very sad. Why would Sam think Ali wanted to come over at 2.30 in the morning in New York City? Just hop in a cab. It'll be totally safe. Never surprised me. Especially in the 90s in New York City.

1:46:33I have a couple more really good ones, but you guys go if you have any extras. It'll be real quick. Number one, Hedy is like, 4-0 against grown-ass men. Yeah. Is she fucking Ronda Rousey? She like, she legitimately... Really good. I have this one too. Like, she legitimately is undefeated against grown men. Graham, gone. Sam, gone. Like, asshole boss, gone. Mitch Byerson. Yeah, she is. Yeah, 3-0. Yeah, she's basically overpowering grown-ass men. Maybe she was doing Muay Thai. Maybe she was. It specifically is the Sam one, though, because, like, she shoots Mitch in the head. But she shoots him after a struggle.

1:47:08She does. She has like a metal crowbar from the door to hit Graham with, and he lives. The force, the torque, the velocity that you would need to brain somebody with a stiletto is like astonishing. Paul, I believe that you could puncture the eye, but we're going through into the brain so that he is, he's not like twitching on the floor. Instant death from one swing. It's tough. No. I know it's made of metal, but no. And then other than that, I just think, I mean, you don't check the vitals on Graham. Graham is in there. Yeah, that's sloppy. That's sloppy. Sloppy killing. But Hedy is sloppy. There's some other related like on the stiletto front and the sloppy front.

1:47:51She's sloppy. Sloppy. Sloppy. Sloppy. She leaves the bloody stiletto out on the bathroom floor. That's like worse than having all of your secrets in a shoebox. Come on. I mean, we see her like do the full deep clean on the apartment. That's just that's a big picking nit. But I think on the air duct front and the sound traveling, there's a really big picking bit here. So Hedy, obviously we know that Sam has been listening to Allie. But in a crucial moment in the movie, Hedy hears. Because she dropped something next to the vent. She hears the conversation between Sam and Allie, which means that there's just no believable way that at no point would Allie have heard Graham through the vent and realized that sound traveled through the vent.

1:48:35It just doesn't make any sense. It's borderline disqualifying, but I'm okay with it. I have a... Would you actually die from taking a high heel through the eye? It would have to go into your brain. Or would you roll around and go, Ah! Yeah. Ah! Fuck! It should be a longer and more anguished death scene, I think. Would you die from that, Craig? Not me. Not you? No. Not you. I think it would really have to get in there. I think he just died from shame, probably. In that scene, wouldn't Hetty's fingerprints, saliva be all over Sam? yeah she's getting caught like that's why she's cleaning up she has no chance pre-DNA though we are no we're not we've talked about this in some of these other movies in this time period like it's yeah she cleans their apartment but she doesn't clean the hotel this is another picking it for me there is a witness who thinks it's Allie yes the hotel it's the Hotel Atherton concierge at 3.30 in the morning just just hanging out hey Miss Jones what's this guy doing nobody's ever been in a New York City hotel and had anyone behind the counter after like one.

1:49:36Crazy. The Heady's heel still has blood on it after she leaves the hotel and walks all the way home. Yeah. It's still a blood mess. Yeah. When the blood have come out. Her leaving the heels out is ridiculous. It's crazy. It's nuts. And then, so this was part of the reshoot thing for me. Graham's dead, but then he's alive. But then when you see Graham just kind of He's fine. resurfaces for the fight scene. But if you really look at it, you don't see his face. I almost feel like that was part of the reshirt but they couldn't get Graham. Oh, interesting. And it's like there's one moment where my wife and I are arguing about this because I had to watch again last night.

1:50:13She's like, no, no, you can see his face right there. And I was like, I don't know, can you? Thought so. It's weird. He comes in to save the day but he's kind of like doing the thing. Yeah. It's like the Al Pacino stuntman in Heat band. Yeah. Remember the Asian guy who's Al Pacino stuntman in Heat when they didn't realize we're going to have 4K UHD Blu-rays at some point. Doesn't hold up. But the 80s would do that. Sometimes they would just like not even give a fuck to see the summit. Another picking that is like in the end, the fight. A couple things on the alley front here again. You're about to be burned alive and you let a rat reveal your location.

1:50:46You have to Mission Impossible Krieger that rat. You just have to. You can't. Mission Impossible. You gotta squeeze the rat. You can't knock the rat on top of Heddy and like let the hunk continue. It's just like there's more rats too. Great character. Yes. Oh, Krieger? Just fantastic. No, no, no. Great character. Oh. Fantastic. Allie is a mashup of Spider-Man and Rambo at the end. Yeah, how is she like climbing up in the vents? The swinging and hanging, swing hangs from the distant back. We keep coming back to this. This is the Erica Eleniak. You, like, what's the name of the movie? Under Siege.

1:51:21How did you get this good this quick? Crazy. Starts off jumping out of the cake. By the end, Navy SEAL. That happened in the 90s all the time. Not a single gym scene with her in this entire movie. Doesn't make it happen. I'm going to Equinox all the time. I'll be back in two hours. Nothing. Sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. I'd like to present to you Single Black Female starring Amber Riley and K. Michelle. Shout out to Amber Riley. And then they made a sequel. There's a second one. There's a whole franchise now. I have not seen these. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the Flores, Zane Lowe, Robert Evans, Dr.

1:51:56Charles Nichols, or someone else? Yeah. I mean, Wayne Jenkins fits right in. Called up from Baltimore to New York, takes the Amtrak, the Acela Express. There is apparently a detective character in the book. Detective Sergeant Kennedy. So there's a role. And frankly, to your point earlier about it, it's a really small character set in a small cast. I kind of like need the police to be involved at some point in this movie. Need somebody looking for a head. Yep. Yeah. So this could be a better scripted series almost. Oh, that would be great. Wayne Jenkins, like, I didn't know we were dealing with super software engineer.

1:52:27Right. You know, get Wayne up there. Why not? God damn, Allie. The other freaking nit based on that. You're so right. Like, so the second Allie puts the TV up too loud, like the whole building comes and checks on her. Yet there's gunshots with Steven Tobolowsky. No one's there. Right. True. Five shots. Crazy. I had for this Mike Breen. Mm-hmm. Oh. Who's now in the finals. Yeah, with Allie whirling around with the high heels. Bane! Great one. Great one. Just one Oscar who gets it. Heavy easy. Jennifer Jason Leigh, no question. Hedy, easy. Jennifer Jason Leigh, easy. No? You think it's Fonda? Steven Weber?

1:53:08No, I think it's Hedy. Hedy, if it could have been best supporting actress, she had a chance. Probably in Answers, we did Hedy kill her twin sister or not. I got another one. Yeah. Would Hedy have died of Hantavirus anyway? Oh, my God. Had she not been killed? Did she sniff any rat shit? She got a rat thrown on her. She did. Did she inhale? She had open wounds. Yeah. Hanta Hedy. She got a rat thrown on her. She had open wounds on her. Would she not have died of Hanta virus anyway? Did Hedy create Hanta virus? Great one. I mentioned, I'm not sure Graham's in the final scene. I have one more big one.

1:53:44Did you have one, Mal? We've hit a bunch. Like, how many people has Hedy killed? Does Allie have a psychotic break like Hedy at the end? What is your explanation for how Allie got the rent control department in a professional dispute and settlement with a former business partner. You walked off with the hardware and a rent-controlled apartment. Is that a thing that happens? No, I wouldn't have no clue. I'm not even sure I really know all the rules around rent-controlled stuff. I have no clue. I have no frame of New York reference for that type of thing. Bizarre. My big one is, how did Sam's funeral go?

1:54:16Like, let's walk through that for an hour. Does the ex-wife Lisa give a eulogy? Ex-wife's there. Blint probably hates Allie's guts. Right. Wow, yeah. The parents are there. they're going to want a story for how their beloved son Sam died. And the story is... Yeah. Oh. Sam's fiance had this crazy roommate that dressed up like Allie and went to his apartment. They had sex and then she killed him with a high heel. Yeah. Allie, it's great to see you though. Yeah, what's up? How are you doing? That is one of the most awkward 30 minutes. Swing by at the holidays. Yeah. We'd love to stay in touch. Hey, Allie, if it's cool, can you not come to the lunch after the funeral?

1:54:54It could be a little weird. It could be even deeper. The family could have always liked the ex-wife in the first place. Didn't want them to get divorced. So now, you young New York whippersnapper got our son killed. And then, at the same time, your friend Graham is behind you saying, hey, stop all that fucking crying. Don't cry no more. You can't bring him back. Stop fucking crying. It was weird. The ex-wife is definitely like, she did this. Yes. It's her. He would have been with me. She's the one that murdered him. the memorabilia you'd most want from this movie is clearly the high heel I think it has to be I'd put that right behind Ben right now it'd be dangling over him oh you should get it you should you could probably find that prop somewhere I would all the props are out of control now well make it happen I think you deserve it treat yourself the wig would also be great all the props are out of control the prop market is out of control I'm so fucked up in the head literally when you said that oh you think you're gambling yeah what the fuck Coach Finn Stock, Mr.

1:55:52Miyagi Best Worst Life Lesson I don't know Check your roommates more carefully Pet proof your apartment Also it's okay to live alone How about that one? It's okay to live alone Make Sam pay for it for a couple months Best double feature choice fan I went with the net I don't know why Go internet Yeah little 90s internet Wow A little Sandra Bullock The female in peril Yeah whole deal I went with the net I like it I did Hand That Rocks the Cradle because it's the finals of the two dumbest characters from a 90s movie. That's a great one. Just ignoring, mounting evidence that something sinister is happening.

1:56:29I fucking forgot something. I gotta ask you about it right now. I know we're getting to the end. This fucking character is crazy. You could put the Hand That Rocks the Cradle breastfeeding situation in there as well. What is crazier? Coming down the stairs with the hair or the breastfeeding of a fucking kid? Can I twist this? Okay, go ahead. It's more what gets a more visceral reaction from your girlfriend or wife as they're watching this. The breastfeeding scene or the I'm walking down the stairs, I just took your hairdo. I think it's the hair. You think it's the hair more than the titty? Yeah.

1:57:07The hair is crazy. Boy, that scene used to drive him crazy. That got an actual gasp in the theater, which I remember when I saw him that rocks the cradle. They're both bad. She brings the boob out. It's like, oh, no. Oh. By the way, I submit something. Both The Hand That Rocks the Cradle, but more specifically, Single White Female, underrated date movie. Oh, yeah. Something for everybody. Oh, you have that? Underrated date movie. Something for everybody. All erotic thrillers are good date movies. What did you have for double feature? I was going to go with Fatal Attraction because of the Bunny Boyle and Balcony Buddy.

1:57:43Yeah. Which is painful, but they are of a piece. Yeah. Tough. I just, even though we've already done our rewatchables, just watched it two weeks ago to get ready for From Hell Month. Always appropriate. Extraordinary movie. Just incredible. Fail of Attraction? Yeah, it's great. Extraordinary. Great one. The courting scene is when it's like, oh, it's pouring rain. Let's get a drink. The best. It's the voicemail, the answer machine message for me. She is so. I will not be ignored. I will not be ignored. She is so fucking pissed. Alex, what a character. She's amazing in that movie. She's phenomenal.

1:58:15in that movie. Who won the movie? Jennifer Jason Leigh. Really? Yeah. She's the most enduring character from the movie. I agree. I don't know because part of who won the movie is who won it over the next few years, right? And this, combined with singles, is the Bridget Fonda moment. It's true. But I think Jennifer Jason Leigh is the best person in the movie. I don't know. It's kind of both. They're both great. They're both great. Craig, who won the movie? probably Jennifer Jason Leigh. I think so. Fonda's kind of a visionary, though. She's, I'm going to remember her forever. Craig, you never saw this movie.

1:58:54No. What were your thoughts? Watched with Liz. I found this movie to be refreshingly watchable. I thought it was going to be, like, from a violence and horror standpoint, relatively tame. I feel like nowadays, like, the weed is just stronger now. Like, movies like Obsession, which is, like, another kind of, like, sexual psycho thriller that's out right now. That movie is super gory. It's just, you can take a date to a single white female and probably not have to like get her consent first because this movie might be fucking terrifying. A movie like Obsession, you kind of just can't go to that movie.

1:59:27I'm saying like you have to bring somebody on like Obsession being like, yo, we're going to a date to this movie. It might be fucking terrifying. This movie is like kind of right in that sweet spot where it's scary and creepy and weird, but like it's still pulpy and it's more of just a fun conversation on the way home and you're not scared to go back to your apartment, which I liked. I will not be saying obsession. I'm scared. Liz's main takeaway was that every woman in her life has come across a heady and it's whether or not you kind of can escape it or not. Just extricate yourself from the heady.

2:00:01So there was a situation in our crew one time where two guys wanted the same jacket. One of my friends had a jacket. Yeah. And the other one of my friends wanted that same jacket. The only problem was that this jacket that my one friend had bought was at Wilson's, the leather store in the Mall, Louisiana, in Baton Rouge. And the reason why he was able to afford the jacket is because his girlfriend, future wife, worked at the store. So the only way my other friend could afford the jacket is that she gave him the discount. But my first homeboy, who was the owner of the jacket, didn't want him to have it.

2:00:40Of course. Didn't want him to have the same jacket. so he told his girl don't give him the discount he then went behind his back to the girl directly and asked her for the discount and then tried to play with her brain a little bit to make her give up the discount I remember when we were having this conversation as a crew I remember my homeboy being like yo man this is some single white female type shit that you on right now and that's the only time I could ever think of anything like that happening amongst men because when you talk to ladies always this bitch trying to dress like me. She trying to fuck my man.

2:01:15She trying to be me. She trying to, all of this shit. I got to get the fuck away from this bitch. I've heard that so much. Also, we didn't talk about the single funniest scene in the movie, which was when Hedy goes down into the basement and quickly gets in the suitcase to see if a body can fit. I was like, what is she? Is she hiding in the suitcase? More sloppy work from the person who left the bloody heels out. She's taller than you. That's so good. Terrible. Also, apex mountain for bobs, probably. Early 90s, right? You have Demi Moore Ghost. You have this. You have Halle Berry Boomerang. That was a very popular haircut.

2:01:46I don't know. Is it a bob? Is it a pixie? I think this is more pixie. It's coming out of the 80s because we had, remember we did Legend of Billie Jean? Yeah. That was a different version. It was a little longer on the bottom. This was just more like kind of boy haircut. Gotta have a great neck for that. There's just such great stickiness to these like early 90s movies because of the era you're in. Like the computers, everything, the way it feels, it's so memorable and specific. It's great. You watch the movie, you know exactly where you are. It's like my double feature Disclosure for the same reason.

2:02:12Like, the feeling of the tech in that movie, in The Office. That's a good pick. Yeah. So good. I really wish I could tell stories from the last three decades with my wife of different tiny single-white female situations that popped up. It would easily be a divorce. It'd be a good podcast. She'd be so mad at me. That would be epic. Who wouldn't want to be Carrie? I have so many things to say, and I'm just not going to. But to me, the thing that always gets me about it is, at first, I'm almost always dismissive of these stories. you come up to me okay somebody else is trying to be because sometimes it's your girl telling it sometimes it's your girl's friend telling it alright she want to be like and then you sit down and you listen to the shit and you be like nah she fucking crazy for real I feel like times have changed I feel like in the 90s you gave people the benefit of the doubt now you don't didn't they like basically remake this with Leighton Meester the roommate that was what 2011 it wasn't a basically they remade this it was her and Minka Kelly right and it was just a complete rip off of it yeah but was missing the part where neither of them were gross and became, like, they were both hot roommates that moved together.

2:03:17And they're redoing it now with Jenna Ortega, right? Well, that's an actual remake of this. Yes. Yeah. That's an interesting... Single female. That's right. Single female. Took out the white. Of course. Woke mob. Woke mob taking over. I can't believe it. Come on, man. We were past this. Anti-white racism. What the hell's going on? Yeah. Single White Female.

2:03:41What an amazing movie. Wait, what's next week? Are you going to announce? I don't know what next week is, but if you go on Netflix, we got them to license a bunch of From Hell movies, including, I think, The Good Son is on there. Single White Female, Hand That Rocks the Cradle. Domestic Disturbance, the funniest movie of the 2000s. The Unintentionally Funniest. I can't wait for Craig to watch that one. It's really going to be special. I think Breakdown might be on there. I don't think they can get Pacificites, but there's a bunch of them. So we're trying this thing. We did it with the comedies too.

2:04:14We're just trying to get them to license a bunch of them. Breakdown is the most elevated one. Breakdown's good. Breakdown's a good movie. Yeah. But I think all of these, I'm just so happy they're in our lives. I'm happy you guys are in my life. What a treat. Van. A lot of fun. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Gahal. We'll see you next week on From Hell Week. From how month, from how summer, we know what it's going to be.