In short
Albert Breer’s camp tour and quarterback competition outlooks for the Browns, Colts, Vikings, and Bears, plus contract/holdout updates for Micah Parsons, Terry McLaurin, and Trey Hendrickson. He also discusses Dion Sanders’ bladder cancer recovery and briefly touches on Aaron Rodgers/Terry Bradshaw commentary.
Guests
Albert Breer (Sports Illustrated/MMQB senior writer; covers NFL; visiting Browns camp). Nico Collins (Texans WR; appears earlier on the show). Dion Sanders (former NFL player; joins later for a press conference about his health).
Key claims
- Browns QB race: Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett ahead; Pickett hamstring keeps him out ~1 week; Shadour Sanders has steep learning curve; competition could be decided after Panthers/Eagles joint practices.
- Colts: Daniel Jones leads; Anthony Richardson shoulder soreness is a red flag; Colts want QB consistency and cleaner offense.
- Vikings: J.J. McCarthy’s development accelerated by lost reps being regained in spring/camp; Kevin O’Connell will “take the layups.”
- Bears: Ben Johnson is “overloading” Caleb Williams with information to speed learning.
Notable examples
- Browns: two spot drills in spring; now pads reduce reps.
- Colts: last year 29 giveaways and 29th-ranked total defense; goal is efficiency.
- Vikings: Week 1 MNF at Bears.
- Contracts: Stephen Jones implies Micah Parsons’ price rose due to not agreeing earlier; McLaurin holdout likely ends; Bengals/Hendrickson hinges on guarantees/structure.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOOverview of NFL Highlights
0:41 to 0:54
Discussion of key NFL players and recent highlights.
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Overview of NFL Highlights
1:31 to 2:47
Discussion of key NFL players and recent highlights.
“Chad Michael Murray here on the Rich Eisen Show.”
Albert Breer on QB Situations
2:50 to 4:38
Albert Breer discusses the current state of quarterbacks in the NFL.
“We also have our podcast all three hours through the Cumulus podcast network.”
Competition in Cleveland
4:40 to 8:14
Insight into the quarterback competition with the Browns.
“I mean, it sounds like it's still relatively wide open.”
Indy QB Battle Insights
8:16 to 11:10
Albert Breer shares insights on the QB situation in Indianapolis.
“on your tour so far for Sports Illustrated.”
JJ McCarthy's Challenges
11:18 to 14:00
Discussion on JJ McCarthy's transition to starting quarterback.
“So like she was really groomed by her dad and other people in the building to eventually be in this role.”
Quarterback Development Insights
14:00 to 18:08
Learn about the challenges and strategies for developing QBs like J.J. and Caleb Williams.
“You know, I think he got a little down and had to fight through some stuff.”
Analyzing Micah Parsons' Contract Situation
18:08 to 24:10
Explore the implications of contract negotiations for Micah Parsons and the Cowboys.
“Like you're trying to get him to trying to get him to do exactly what you need him to do.”
Trey Hendrickson's Contract Dynamics
24:10 to 27:06
Understand the complexities surrounding Trey Hendrickson's contract situation with the Bengals.
“You want to quickly, you were leading yourself to Trey Hendrickson.”
Joe Montana's Famous John Candy Story
29:25 to 31:15
Joe Montana recounts a memorable encounter with John Candy during the Super Bowl.
“of you noticing John Candy in the crowd before that two-minute drill to the Bengals?”
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Dion's Health Journey and Bladder Cancer
31:15 to 33:47
Dion shares his experience with bladder cancer and emphasizes the importance of health checks.
“Many of his appearances here on this program, and not because he knew he was getting free stuff from Roku, which he endures.”
Dion's Recovery and Challenges
33:47 to 39:34
Dion discusses his recovery journey and candidly addresses changes in his life post-surgery.
“But I trusted and believed in you 100 percent.”
Importance of Checking on Friends
39:34 to 41:36
The hosts discuss the significance of checking in on friends, especially regarding health.
“just in terms of the football aspect of things and how he's going to be coaching?”
Luka Dončić's Workout Regimen
42:47 to 46:35
Discussion about Luka Dončić's training and weight loss journey.
“Especially over in Spain, you know, where everything comes with a side of French fries and beer.”
TJ Jefferson's Birthday Celebration
46:35 to 50:22
Recap of TJ Jefferson's birthday and the playful banter among hosts.
“Rich, wide receiver, just got a big, big new deal.”
Aaron Rodgers and Terry Bradshaw's Commentary
50:22 to 52:16
A discussion on Aaron Rodgers' comments about Terry Bradshaw and their relationship.
“I've known Terry for a long time, being a part of Fox.”
Transcript
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1:00Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on the Roku Sports Channel from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. Josh Allen. It's a touchdown. Chad Michael Murray here on the Rich Eisen Show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Let's talk Josh Allen. Let's do it. Every single fan was hoping the quarterback that they drafted turns out to be Josh Allen.
1:47Rich Eisen:And what would be better than have the AFC Championship as the last game ever played in that stadium? Earlier on the show. Caught Nico Collins. Touchdown Houston. Texans wide receiver, Nico Collins. Coming up, senior writer for the MMQB, Albert Breer. Plus your phone calls, Overreaction Monday, and more. And now it's Rich Eisen. That's right. Hour number three of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Albert Breer zooming in shortly from Cleveland Browns camp. Great chat with Nico Collins, top of hour number two. If you missed any of what we've done so far, including Overreaction, Monday and the full soup to nuts review of a man who apparently is not having soup or nuts in Luka Doncic, unless it's, I guess in the form of an almond shake or the Dallas Cowboys approach with Micah Parsons.
2:47Rich Eisen:If you missed any of it, the show rears right here on the Roku sports channel. We also have our podcast all three hours through the Cumulus podcast network. There's also our YouTube channel. uh, Dion Sanders, uh, just had a press conference, emotional press conference with his medical staff that apparently, um, took care of his bladder cancer that he was suffering from earlier this spring. So we'll hit on all of that, but joining us right now from Cleveland Browns camp, uh, we always want to check in with him because we're, we're delighted to have him on this program. Also, his information is top notch.
3:25Rich Eisen:And then when he's on a summer tour, Got to check on how raging the 10 is. Ladies and gentlemen, the George Hamilton of National Football League Media, Albert Breer. Good to see you. Yes, Albert.
3:37Albert Breer:Not bad. I'm doing okay. I wouldn't say it's my best, but I think it's coming along. Okay.
3:43Rich Eisen:Are we SPFing? Walk me through that information. Are we SPFing? No,
3:48Albert Breer:I'm good in the sun. I did get a couple rainy days over the course of camps from cloudy days. That slowed things down a little bit, but I'm doing okay.
3:57Rich Eisen:Okay. I appreciate you zooming in from the middle of the, what number camp are you on on your training camp tour for sports?
4:04Albert Breer:So this is number seven. So I, yeah, yeah. And if I'm talking in hushed tones, it's cause I'm in the lobby. Cause I had to Jerry. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, I actually really enjoy this part of the trip every year where, uh, I'm driving from place to place. So I'm at the tail end of that. I went to Detroit first and flew to Minneapolis and then drove Vikings, Packers, Bears, Colts, Bengals, Browns today, Bills tomorrow, and then I'll go out west.
4:30Rich Eisen:Okay, man. All right. I'm writing them all down so I can know what to hit. Let's talk about where you are first, the Browns. What's the scoop with the quarterback room right now, Albert?
4:40Albert Breer:I mean, it sounds like it's still relatively wide open. And part of that is they haven't really gotten a great look at Joe Flacco yet. And that's because essentially, and I think I've used this term with you before, he essentially got a first round by through the beginning of the competition. They felt like they knew what he could do. And they had a good idea of what he would look like within the offense. And so rather than wasting the reps in the spring, they used the reps they would give him to get a look at Kenny Pickett and Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel. And so now they're going to another phase of the competition.
5:15Albert Breer:They've been doing two spot drills until now, which means they've got two practice fields going at once to try to get the best look they can at the quarterbacks. Now they're going into this phase where it's going to normalize a little bit because they're in pads. They can't do that quite as much because it'd be too much on the other players. I'd say as of right now, you know, Kenny Pickett's going to be out for about a week with the hamstring injury. Flacco's doing well. I think those two are ahead. I think Dylan Gabriel is probably closer to those two, and Shadour still has a ways to go. But I think based on his starting point, and Chidors actually made a lot of progress.
5:51Albert Breer:He was just pretty far behind when he first showed up here.
5:53Rich Eisen:How so? What's the details on being far behind?
5:59Albert Breer:It's the stuff you heard before the draft, Rich. And look, I know people didn't like hearing it in March and April, but it was true. There were a lot of teams that were surprised how far behind he was just from a football know-how standpoint and that he had a long way to go in that department. And that held true when the Browns got him here. Not all his fault, you know, like different college offenses that run different ways. And, you know, what they were doing at Colorado evidently didn't translate to what Cleveland's doing. So he had the steepest learning curve by far of the four quarterbacks.
6:35Albert Breer:Obviously Pickett and Flacco were rookies. And then Gabriel was a six-year college guy that started games at three different schools, you know. So I think it would be to be expected that he would be behind the other three anyway but um you know as i think me and a lot of other people had heard before the draft he he did have a ways to go and assimilating to the pros as a quarterback in general but as we're
6:58Rich Eisen:sitting here on the final monday of july sounds like it's still an open competition that anybody can win literally anybody can win i think i i you know it's funny somebody said to me earlier today
7:09Albert Breer:they're being evaluated on everything you know and they're trying to use every little bit of information they can get and it's not just how they play in the field it's how the teammates react to them. It's how they are in the meeting rooms. And so absolutely everything's being evaluated. Now they've gotten a lot of reps for the quarterbacks in the spring that they have to go on. So, um, I think ideally what they would like to do is they've got joint practices the next two weeks. I think it's the Panthers next week and then the Eagles after that. And so I think after those two sets of joint practices, they'd like to have a decision.
7:38Albert Breer:Um, they could certainly narrow it down. It does feel to me like it is to some degree weighted at this point, you know, where, you know, Flacco and Pickett were in the thick of it. Gabriel was getting sparingly, getting some first team reps, and Shadour wasn't working with the first team at all. I don't know if that'll change, you know, with Pickett out. My anticipation is most of the first team work will go today to Flacco and Gabriel. And again, like, we'll see what happens over the next three weeks. But my guess would be one of the veterans winds up starting the opener.
8:14Rich Eisen:All right, Albert Breer, you mentioned Indianapolis is a stop on your tour so far for Sports Illustrated. MMQB's Albert Breer here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's go there next because that's another competition at the quarterback spot. Anthony Richardson coming in healthy is an interesting twist, right? Or he's not still working on it. What do you glean there when you stop by there?
8:39Albert Breer:I would say you always have to be careful about that term when you're talking about a quarterback's shoulder that hasn't been surgically repaired, or even if it has been. He had it done before, of course, but having the soreness is a red flag. So I think from what I understand, he's been good through the first week of camp, but you never know. That soreness can resurface. I think Daniel Jones is the lead dog in that competition. That's just based on conversation I've had and putting pieces together. The interesting thing, talking to Shane Steichen about this, a couple days ago was he kind of impressed how important it was going to be that the person who is the quarterback winds up being very consistent and knows how to run the operation.
9:22Albert Breer:And I think it's sort of reflective of what they feel like is a pretty decent roster. They don't need the quarterback to come in and save them. They feel like they can have a pretty good offense if the quarterback can just operate the offense the way they intend for the quarterback to operate the offense. And this was an amazing stat, and it caused me to kind of look at the Colts a little bit differently. So last year, they had 29 giveaways, which was, I believe, third to last in the NFL, third worst in the NFL. And they had the 29th-ranked total defense. So I think a lot of the mindset is there.
9:57Albert Breer:If we can play more efficiently and cleaner on offense, and then Lou Anarumo can come in and fix the defense. I mean, they won eight games doing that last year. Eight games under those conditions last year. So, again, like I think a lot of it for them offensively is who's going to get us to get us into a position where we can play much cleaner football than we did a year ago, which, again, is interesting when you're talking about two guys that were picked in the top 10 when they were drafted.
10:22Rich Eisen:Right. And sometimes not known for their ball security. Right. And patience level is really the term in Indianapolis that I'm intrigued by. Patience level with Anthony Richardson and Chris Ballard showing off his guns like this while he was talking, which I would too. And him saying we've got to be more patient with the kid, right? Like we're not just going to turn aside from him, although they do have Daniel Jones in house. But here's where I'm winding up. It's really the patience level sometimes with teams from ownership. And I'm just wondering what you were able to glean on the management style of Carly Ursae Gordon, the eldest daughter of the now late Jim Ursae, who's now in charge there.
11:10Rich Eisen:And the sense of how that might bring to bear decision-making roster-wise and quarterback-wise, Albert.
11:17Albert Breer:Well, I mean, we can start here. Like that she has been in the building. So like she was really groomed by her dad and other people in the building to eventually be in this role. Nobody knew it was going to happen now, of course. But she's been groomed to be in this role. And I think anytime there's that sort of ownership transition, there's going to be some unknown. And I can remember, you know, when Paul Allen died because Paul Allen wasn't around a lot, as you know. Right. The Seahawks building a lot. Jody Allen became the owner. Jody Allen became the owner, his sister. and even though she didn't really do much that would affect the football people early on there was this level of discomfort because there was the unknown because you don't know how different it's going to be right because like look like at the time she didn't hire john schneider she didn't hire pete carroll she didn't draft russell wilson um and i think it's the same sort of thing here you know i look like there are very few coaches that make it through three years without making the playoffs and see a fourth year.
12:18Albert Breer:And that's where Shane Steichen is right now. Chris Bauer's been there. This will be his ninth season. So, you know, I think because you have that dynamic added to the fact that there's somebody else making the decision, there is like a certain level of, well, we don't know what's going to happen at the end of the year. At the same time, they do know her. You know, so I do think that that gives you at least a little bit of a feeling of, all right, like this probably isn't going to look too different. but I don't know that I would say that anybody is 100 % safe there. I think you have to let the season play out, and at the end of that, we probably figure out a little bit more about where Carly's at as an owner.
12:55Rich Eisen:Robert Breer here on the Rich Eisen Show. A couple quarterbacks from last year's draft class with new leases. You visited the Vikings. So J.J. McCarthy, this is his gig, and he's hooked up to Kevin O 'Connell, reigning coach of the year, who's a quarterback whisperer. what's this going to look like? Cause it's essentially like that team won 14 games last year with Sam Darnold. They are a super bowl contender. If JJ McCarthy can show up and be the guy in his first full year coming off of injury and his first full year as starter, what, what are you gleaning there?
13:31Albert Breer:So they are loaded. Um, I also, I like, I, I think JJ, I think JJ has really good perspective on this. And, and, and I think a big part of it, it's going to be like what they're asking him to do. Right. You know how good that situation is. We don't need to go through all the players they have, the scheme they have. Now the history that Kevin O 'Connell has through three years. Right. And, you know, it was interesting having this conversation with Kevin and some other people there about what JJ lost last year. Right. Like last year was really tough on him. He's a super competitive kid. As you know, he lost the weight.
14:07Albert Breer:You know, I think he got a little down and had to fight through some stuff. and in losing all of the reps that he lost, like the on-field reps, right? Like they say like one of the big things with him is that he has to learn to layer the ball better. Like at Michigan, a little bit, a little too many, too much on fastballs. Like, you know, just over and over and over and over again, which showed his arm strength. But, you know, obviously every throw can't be that way. And so if he had been running the scout team last year, he would have gotten a lot of good reps throwing into tight windows, learning how to do that.
14:36Albert Breer:So he lost all of that, right? So there was a lot lost when he got hurt last year and lost that development time, even if he wasn't going to start. And so I think maybe one of the most interesting things that I was able to glean from there is they tried to bring back Daniel Jones' insurance policy. They kicked the tires on bringing Sam Darnold back. Those guys felt like they had better opportunities to be the guy somewhere else, so they left. I think that Kevin O 'Connell, Kweisi Adepa Mensah, the offensive coaches now think that was a blessing in disguise. Because all of that time that J.J. lost in the spring, or all the times J.J.
15:14Albert Breer:lost last year, he was able to make up for it in the spring. He took every first team rep in the spring. He's taking every first team rep in training camp. So it's allowed him to do these things over and over and over again and make up for all that last time and develop his voice and become more of a leader and let the other players hear him. And so that's all good. But they don't need him to be Superman because of the team they have. And so we'll see what happens with Jordan Addison's suspension. You got Justin Jefferson there. Speedy Nailer's a really good young receiver playing for a contract.
15:43Albert Breer:TJ Hawkinson, the line should be a lot better with Ryan Kelly and Will Fries and Donovan Jackson coming in. You got Aaron Jones behind you. It's a really, really, really good situation. So I think what Kevin's thing is going to be is take the layups. When we give you easy throws, take them. We're going to do stuff in the run game that's going to help you in the pass game. That marriage of run and pass, let that help you. We're going to give you stuff in the screen game. We're going to give you stuff in the quick game. It's going to be, I think, putting him in the best position to succeed. And I think anybody who's watched the Vikings the last few years, what they were able to do with Kirk Cousins and what they were able to do with Sam Darnold knows, like Kevin's good at putting together a plan to get the most out of somebody.
16:24Albert Breer:And I think he will do that with JJ too.
16:26Rich Eisen:And an awesome matchup the first Monday night of the season of week one. They're at the Bears. So it'll be Caleb Williams, if you will, 2.0, because I'm assuming you gleaned when you got to Bears camp that Ben Johnson has told him how to watch film, right? And given him an indication on that front, you know.
16:45Albert Breer:I think he probably gave him some instructions. A little bit on that.
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16:48Rich Eisen:And, you know, Kevin Byard talking about how Ben Johnson wants to build a dynasty here and Ben saying, listen, we're putting a lot on Caleb's plate to see what he can handle. What was your takeaway from Ben Johnson going there? Because it does appear to be in Bayer's fans' eyes, just add Ben, add an offensive-minded coach who's attached to the hip of Caleb Williams and then watch him soar.
17:13Albert Breer:Yeah, I'd say two things. Number one, I think the basis for a good team is there. I really like what they did in the offensive line. The skill guys are there. I think matching Colston Loveland with Cole Komet, I think that's a really good thing to do conceptually. With Roman Duns and DJ Moore, of course, on the outside. I think the defense with Dennis Allen there is going to be a lot better. I think Caleb's got a ways to go. It did not look good the day I was there. And when I talk to people there about why it looked that way is they're trying to make Caleb drink through a fire hose. Developmentally, he had a long way to go coming out of USC.
17:50Albert Breer:Then he had the really sideways rookie year. and you can see when you watch the difference in the speed of the operation when case keenum is in there when tyson bajin is in there versus where it is with caleb williams and so they're just trying to overload him with information they're overloading with defensive looks they're overloading him with everything to try to speed up his process to try speed up his learning and the plan is from here then to start to narrow that down right so you're starting with this huge kind of menu of things that you're trying to do with them and seeing what he can handle and trying to speed him up and then as they get closer to the season they'll narrow it back down so I like I think it like again it just didn't look great the day I was there I think there's a method to what Ben Johnson is doing I would trust him with a quarterback but you could see developmentally where it was almost like, you know, I don't know if this is the right analogy, but like, you know, you've got this, this, you know, you got like a, like a, it's like you're, it's like, you've got like this thoroughbred horse and you're breaking the force, right?
18:57Albert Breer:Like you're trying to get him to trying to get him to do exactly what you need him to do. And, you know, I think that part of it, that part of it is, is been a process with a lot of quarterbacks coming out of college offenses the way that they are right now. And it's just something that Caleb is going to kind of have to fight through. And I think, you know, in the end, I think it'll work, but it didn't look good the day I was there.
19:19Rich Eisen:Yeah, I mean, Ben Johnson did admit that, you know, hey, he's playing slower than he can because we're throwing the kitchen sink at him. He basically said it, you know? So you saw it is what you're saying.
19:30Albert Breer:And that's what they're trying to do. I mean, and again, like that can be hard. You know what I mean? That can be really hard. And it's like, and that's why, like, I hate it, Rich, for these players. I can't stand it for these players when, you know, like they put up a single clip on Twitter and say a guy's awful or a guy's going to be a superstar. You know, I mean, in most cases, you have no idea if you're just looking at that clip, what the coaches are trying to accomplish, you know. And I think that part of it, like I'm really interested to see where that goes. You know what I mean? because it's, I think there's this gathering of information they're doing and dispensing of information they're doing right now.
20:11Albert Breer:And the confidence building part of it, I think, will come later. But their hope is that he'll build confidence through the amount of stuff he's able to handle.
20:19Rich Eisen:All right. In the few minutes I have left with you so you don't get arrested for loitering there in the Browns facility. And I appreciate the time.
20:26Albert Breer:Mortgage company is getting some good advertising.
20:27Rich Eisen:They sure are. They're pretty happy about that. Let's talk about the holdouts and what you can tell me. First things first, can you interpret this Stephen Jones comment when he was asked about the pay Micah chance that the Jones family was hearing from the fans in Oxnard? Can you interpret this for me, please? Did you hear the fans yelling pay Micah yesterday? And what do you think when you hear that? It doesn't change anything. I mean, we want to pay Micah, too. He's got to want to be paid. What does that mean? He's got to want to be paid, in your mind, in your reporting, Albert.
21:06Albert Breer:I mean, like I think, so to me, this goes back to last year. And one of the things the Cowboys have gotten a lot of criticism for is not going in early on these deals, right? So they had to pay a price for doing C.D. Lamb after four years instead of three. They had to pay a price for waiting on Dak Prescott. And now they're going to have to pay a price for doing Micah Parsons now rather than having done doing his contract after three years. That's reality, right? Like it costs more now could cost forty five million dollars per year now. Or maybe you'd be talking about thirty six or thirty seven last year.
21:43Albert Breer:I think what Stephen Jones is alluding to here is whether or not Micah Parsons was willing to do a deal last year. So I think that that's sort of where it's at. and I think by and I don't think they were unwilling to do a deal last year but I think they were unwilling maybe to do a deal on the Cowboys terms last year so that's part of the history now so when he asks for more money now it's a part of like being an NFL player is I took an extra season of injury risk on so like any discount you were going to get is out the window now you know so I think this is kind of this This is Stephen alluding, I think, to the big picture of the last two offseasons and not where they are right now.
22:27Rich Eisen:Okay. The OG of your alma mater's wide receiver class in Terry McLaurin showed up. He's in. Does that mean something's close? What can you tell me there with Washington and McLaurin?
22:38Albert Breer:Well, I think he doesn't want to pay the fines anymore. Okay. So that's part of it.
22:41Rich Eisen:That's as simple. Okay.
22:43Albert Breer:$50 ,000 a day is not great. And I don't know. I honestly don't know if you're having much more of an effect by holding out than you would be by holding in. And I think some players would argue a hold-in is more painful for the team because, like, it's right in front of everybody's, like, face every day that he's not out there, you know? So, yeah, I think they still have a ways to go on this. I just have a hard time imagining the conclusion won't be Terry McLaurin is a Washington commander now and is a Washington commander for the foreseeable future. Maybe, I mean, like, maybe there are some more bumps along the way.
23:20Albert Breer:But I think really what this is is a result, and it's sort of similar to Trey Hendrickson this way, it's a result of the market exploding at the position and the top end getting so far above where it was, and then how do you fill in the guys that maybe are a notch below? So, for instance, like, you know, what Miles Garrett and TJ Watt get make it more difficult to slot in Trey Hendrickson because Hendrickson's not what those guys are, but how close is he, right? And now you have this gap between one and the other. And then I think, you know, what ends up happening is guys like Max Crosby and Daniil Hunter do deals, and that helps color what you're going to pay Trey Hendrickson.
23:59Albert Breer:And the same thing with Terry is like when Justin Jefferson and CeeDee Lamb did that deal, they created this gap. and so where does he fit in you know in that way I think you know one I know he's looked at as DK Metcalf like I think he feels like he deserves to be paid with DK Metcalf was in Pittsburgh and now like the Garrett Wilson deal sort of confirms that the DK Metcalf deal that's just where the market is for the guys who might be slightly below the very top level so I think this gets done I think the question is probably going to be on the guarantee and how far out you guarantee him but he's just too important to them you know and he's he's too much of a part of what dq um and ap are building there and i to me like i'd even put it this way you've been around him rich like he's too symbolic of what they're trying to be you know what i mean like he's as good as
24:50Rich Eisen:they come he's as good as they come in terms of a person in terms of locker room in terms of you know hey you ball out here you get paid you he's crucial in jayden daniel's second year so And again, I know I'm over time with you right now. You want to quickly, you were leading yourself to Trey Hendrickson. What do you think?
25:08Albert Breer:Yeah, yeah. No, I think the Trey one, like, so this one, it sounded like last weekend, they were closing in on maybe getting something done. And then on Monday, so that would be a week ago today, the whole thing kind of blew up on them. So I don't think they're back to zero, but I think it does sort of indicate how volatile this thing has been and how up and down this thing has been. And to me, I think like one of the real issues is the Bengals past precedents. And they broke those precedents to sign Joe Burrow two years ago. They broke those precedents to sign Jamar Chase earlier this year. And then they signed T.
25:50Albert Breer:Higgins to a more conventional Bengals deal. So if you're the Bengals, which bucket do you put Trey Hendrickson in? Because he's older, you probably put him in the Higgins bucket, right? But do you think Trey Hendrickson wants to hear that after writing for a contract for three off seasons? So I think as much of this as anything is figuring out how to bridge that gap, that divide and what the contract looks like from a guarantees and structure standpoint. And then I think for the Bengals, honestly, I think it's like just finding a way to make it look like he won, you know, because I do think part of it, there's a, there's a pride element to this too, for all players who go through these sorts of things.
26:29Albert Breer:And he's gone through it again, three off seasons in a row. So I think finding a way to make sure that Trey Hendrickson looks like he got something out of this and that he won, I think could be a key to getting a deal done too. Cause I don't think they're that far off.
26:43Rich Eisen:You're the man, Albert safe travels. Let me know when you're out here in LA, please. Okay.
26:47Albert Breer:Awesome. I will. probably early next week. So we'll see you then.
26:51Rich Eisen:Okay. Okay. Very good. This is good. Hopefully we need to see the tan in person. Plus I noticed you always make it your social media avatar. Cause we shoot you nicely when you're in studio.
27:01Albert Breer:You guys have a good photographer for sure. Thank you very much. Take care of yourself, brother.
27:05Rich Eisen:Ladies and gentlemen, everybody follow Albert Breer is information on the MMQBs. Second to none. We're up against it. We'll take a break. Dion Sanders, press conference and what he has been through and what he's going through and what he's gotten through. coming up.
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29:24Rich Eisen:Can you tell me the story, the famous story of you noticing John Candy in the crowd before that two-minute drill to the Bengals? Harris Barton was a people person, so we were free for dinner during the week, but practice in meetings and then come back after dinner and more meetings. So when he would come back from dinner, he was like a little kid. He could not wait to tell you about all the celebrities he saw while he was at dinner. And so we were just standing there, and between the tight end and his shoulder was a friend, John Candy. In the crowd. He was on the sideline. Oh, he was on the sideline.
30:01And so I was, and I sat there and I looked and I go, dang, I don't remember Harris saying he saw John Candy.
30:10Rich Eisen:It's what you're thinking in the Super Bowl with minutes to go and needing to drive down the field. Okay. Well, yeah. So I walked over and said, hey, H, man, there's John Candy. And Harris stood like this for eight minutes, perfectly still. He was a little bit anal that way. He would not move. He was like a little, I didn't do it to unwind him. I just thought he would appreciate seeing John Candy. Did you ever meet Candy, or that was the only time? Yeah, no, I had met John a few years before that. My contract was up, and he was one of the owners of the Toronto Argonauts. He was trying to get me to go to Canada.
30:46Come on! They just didn't have enough money.
30:53Rich Eisen:But if the price was right, you'd have... Yeah, I might have been wearing an Argonaut. Yeah, you'd have a 55-yard line. You'd be like, I'll do that. So he legitimately said, you know, hey. Yeah, we had a couple meetings about it. You did. So this is real. Like, it wasn't just like, oh, by the way. No, no, no, no. Wow. I love that. That's Joe Montana. Many of his appearances here on this program, and not because he knew he was getting free stuff from Roku, which he endures. Honestly. That's true. Find someone in your life who loves you as much as Joe Montana loves Roku. Seen it firsthand. You all have.
31:33Rich Eisen:Yes. So something's been up with Dion, as we all know, for weeks and months. He's been at the crib, as he said, and he's been out of the mix. And I was hearing a lot of stuff about, you know, his health and whatever, and just like everyone else. so I I'm sure he won't mind me saying this but you know middle of June I checked in on him I sent him a text checking in and sending my love he wrote back on June 11th I'm good my humble host God has me covered like a young prime in Atlanta so that's lockdown right and he's got a sense of humor about him so I'm like oh all's got to be good then he announced he's having a press conference with his medical team today in Colorado um and prefaced it with a video on his Instagram page dated in early May of him saying that he was it was rough two-day period because he he was filling out a will I'm like that got me scared I'm not gonna lie and we found out today pretty darn serious he had bladder cancer he had his bladder removed and apparently a new bladder created for him and but they are saying he is through that looking glass right now and cancer free thank god Janet Kukrasia is the director of urological oncology at UC Health there in Colorado.
33:16Sitting to Dion's right had this to say. We performed a full robot-assisted laparoscopic bladder removal and creation of a new bladder. And I am pleased to report that the results from the surgery are that he is cured from the cancer. You can clap. It's okay. You were such a blessing, guiding me to, taking me through, verbalizing every darn detail so that I could make an educated decision, which some didn't want me to go that way. They wanted me to go the other way. But I trusted and believed in you 100 percent. And the process wasn't easy. Just like it was some scenes that you saw, all the bull jump that transpired.
34:08on draft day, it wasn't just that. It was just I knew as well I had a surgery coming up. My sons to this day don't know what transpired. I just told them something with my foot, again, because I wanted them to focus on making the team and not focused on dad. So they really don't know my daughters do. And this joker right here, much love to my son, Junior, everybody. get checked out because if it wasn't for me getting tested for something else they wouldn't stumble up on this and make sure you go to the get the right care because without wonderful people like this i probably wouldn't be sitting here today because it grew so expeditiously i could say but please get yourself checked out wow he also mentioned that the procedure to remove his bladder and create a new one you imagine um was his 14th surgery since 2021
35:15Rich Eisen:and how he's had more surgeries after his playing career than he did during his playing career you know everything going on with his foot his toes which is apparently the cover that he was telling his own children about it. Jeez.
35:29Albert Breer:Yeah, so he told his daughters they were up to speed on everything that was happening with his sons.
35:33Rich Eisen:Going through the pre-draft process and the draft process?
35:36Albert Breer:Yeah, he just told them, something else with my foot, it's fine.
35:39Rich Eisen:God, that's what was going on too while he was going through the draft process. And by that, we all know what was going on with Shador. The pranking and all that crazy-ass stuff. Wow. um what's the road to recovery looking like he was by the way each soundbite apparently from what mike hoskins our coordinator producer telling me he gets more and more blunt um road to recovery prognosis for dion slowly but surely i built myself back up to where um i'm able i'm strong i'm ready um i'm still probably about 12 pounds down i'm gonna get right? I'm going to feel these overalls up like no other. It has been a tremendous journey.
36:25I'm truly thankful that God is so good. God is so good. You have no idea.
36:41You have no idea how good God has been. me to be here. You have no idea. Thank you. Thank you both. Thank you.
36:59Rich Eisen:This is primary care, and I imagine the physician and the surgeon, the director of urological oncology who took out his bladder and created a new one. And in typical prime fashion, sharing, potentially oversharing, about what he's currently going through. It's a whole life change. I can't, and I'm going to be transparent, I can't pee like I used to pee. It's totally different. I depend on depend, if you know what I mean. I truly depend on depend. I cannot control my bladder. so I get up and go to the bathroom already four or five times a night but then I'm sitting up there waking up you know like my grandson we in the same thing we got the same problem right now we're going through the same trials tribulations we're trying to see who has the heaviest bag at the end of the night like it's ridiculous but I'm making a joke out of it but it's real like it is real it is real it is real So if you see Porta Potty on the sideline, it's real.
38:13Okay. I'm just telling you right now, you're going to see it. You're going to see the practice. You're going to see one because it is unbelievable. Like dozing off and waking up on the first thing I'm grabbing my crotch to see if I peed on myself. And it's just totally different. And I know there's a lot of people out there going through what I'm going through and dealing with what I'm dealing with. And let's stop being ashamed of it. and let's deal with it and let's deal with the hit off and that starts with getting checked out
38:45Rich Eisen:if i can bring it all full circle from what i'm picking up about what deon's putting down right here is getting checked out do not be prideful so many of folks certainly men of this age uh get prideful i'm not going to see a doctor i'm not going to do this i'm not going to do that and I'm not going to talk about what's going on with me in such stark terms in front of a microphone. God bless Dion, man. He is one of one. One of one. Truly one of my favorites. I had no earthly clue idea, but apparently he is through it and he's dealing with it and he's being honest about it and he's trying to be a leader about it and now he's going to have to be a coach about it.
39:33Can you imagine this is what year three for him up there is,
39:38Rich Eisen:just in terms of the football aspect of things and how he's going to be coaching? And during games you'll be seeing him. Maybe he's got to go handle his business. Another new business decision for Prime, you know? And it's true. It's true what's going on with him. I had no earthly idea. I send my love to you, Prime. as you know, and I'm glad that the Lord is in fact covering you like a young prime in Atlanta. Young prime. That's when I knew things were all somewhat okay that he's joking like that. But also you did the right thing. You know, you always hear this saying go around, especially with men, like checking on your friends.
40:25Oh, yeah. You know, and you did that and you reached out.
40:28Rich Eisen:A lot of times we don't, you know, we're like, oh, they'll be all right. Well, just like most guys like me who are lucky, a lot of that is also saying, Susie's like, you checking on him or what? Check in on him. Because, you know, guys don't want to check in on other guys that feel sick sometimes. And it's stupid and it's pig-headed, you know? But Susie's like, you should check in on him. I'm like, okay. She's like, do it now. And I'm like, come on now. I'll do it. I don't know if you have these conversations with Sarah. You may or you may not, but these are the conversations I have. This is a little more direct.
41:09Rich Eisen:I know that, right? She's definitely more direct. This is a guy that once upon a time keeps on asking how she is, and if I cut the mattress off her back, because we had so many children. That's so disrespectful. That's Dion. That's Dion. That is Dion. That's my relationship with Dion Prime Time Sanders. That's how you know you're tight. Wow. Yeah. Glad to see you back, Prime. Love you. We'll take a break. Come back. 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. Aaron Rodgers has chimed in on Terry Bradshaw.
41:45Rich Eisen:Rich Eisen here with some advice. If high interest credit card debt is grinding you down, it might be time to call an audible with a SoFi personal loan. It consolidates your debt into one low monthly payment with no fees required. And with as soon as the same day funding, you can make the right play fast. Call an audible on your debt today at SoFi.com slash debt play. Loans originated by SoFi Bank N.A. Member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891. Fast funds. Terms apply at SoFi.com slash debt play. Rich Eisen here. We talk a lot about battles in sports. Teams battling through adversity.
42:19Rich Eisen:Athletes fighting for every yard. The toughest warriors I've ever seen, though, aren't on the field. They're kids fighting cancer. They're families standing beside them. Doctors, nurses, caregivers. That's why I'm proud to support Hyundai Hope on Wheels. For over 28 years, they've helped fund pediatric cancer research, raising more than$303 million and supporting over 40 ,000 children. Learn more and donate at HyundaiUSA.com backslash Hope on Wheels. so again one of the stories we've been talking about all day today is again the man on the cover of men's health magazine luca donchich um going through a workout regimen yeah they missed a couple things as i mentioned he's not on ozempick he's on spite zempick yeah and two luca is following the uh the uh o'shea jackson jr den of thieves too pre-workout regimen am i not mistaken right i don't know
43:15they'd just be like hey shay come sit in and they'd throw stuff at me like that you see
43:19Rich Eisen:weren't you doing a low sugar gluten-free workout regimen for dinner thieves too the uh the sadness diet the sadness diet what do you mean by sadness because like while everybody else is having things that they love you have a plate of sadness or a cup of sadness and you just that's the way you would view it huh yeah yeah yeah so people are eating pizza and pasta and all that sort of stuff around you. Especially over in Spain, you know, where everything comes with a side of French fries and beer. Yes. And so it's just like, no, I'll just have my misery, please. Can I have some disappointment? Sadness.
43:50Yeah, sadness, misery, disappointment. You get those three in your diet.
43:53Rich Eisen:You'll get to where you want to be. Well, what about spite against a team that let you go because apparently you were overweight and they weren't going to give you all this money because you weren't serious enough. What about that? Yeah, I mean, it's going to be interesting. It's crazy. It's just so crazy. As we were saying, it is a story as old as time here in Los Angeles. Bad breakup, get in better shape. Yeah, especially coming to L.A. It's the L.A. way. It's the most Southern California story. Look at him. So do you think. What did you say for overreaction one day? 35-point, triple-double, MVP, unanimous.
44:28Rich Eisen:What do you think? Even the Laker fan says he needs to hold off on it. No, it just felt so good here. Oh, I see what you're saying. Look at him. Yeah, right. Who is that dude? That's avocado toast Donchich right there.
44:45Rich Eisen:ATD? Avocado toast Donchich? Look at him. I knew it. Look at him. Strong. Strong. Full of Lake Show vibes. I'm loving this for me. I'm the Lakers. For me. Shooting with the resistance bands? Boy. Rich, if we go on a run, you think I'm annoying now. No, I do not. I promise Luca and LeBron. Matter of fact, L-A-L, LeBron, Austin, and Luca. Okay. If they give me the fuel that I need, I will be one of the greatest sports villains the world has ever seen. I promise you this. It's like you're cutting a promo right now. I promise. Man, please. I just need the fuel. I just need the battery in my back. Yeah, man.
45:33Oh. Yes. Hold on. Speaking of villain work, I didn't really see the extravaganza that I needed for TJ Jefferson's birthday. What do you mean? It was super normal around here.
45:44Rich Eisen:I don't know about that. We got him a Carvel ice cream cake. Susie got him a cake. That's true. Susie got him a cake. Well, we also got him to have Brockman spend an hour being overly positive. Did you see that? That was fantastic. But I wish he would have told me so I could have called in and just, oh, you're so lucky. We were baiting him the whole time. Talking about the lush history of the Yankees. LeBron James' total even-headedness with the referees. Kyle Shanahan's coaching style. What else do we... We were baiting him for the full hour. It was great. You know, he ripped that steering wheel off on the freeway.
46:22Rich Eisen:And that was TJ's birthday wish. We granted it. I don't know, man. It was also my birthday, too. That's right. Chris, not everything's about you, bro. Can I talk about TJ? Please. Mine also. Oh, my goodness. He's sitting in the corner. O'Shea Jackson Jr. is here. O'Shea Jackson Jr. finishing off the show here. Dale Tufo, get your boy. What do you want to do here? You want to take some phone calls? There's a breaking news. What do we got? There's breaking news. Mike, you want to hit it? Oh, yeah. My IC, the whole thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Here it comes. And my IC. Breaking news.
46:56Albert Breer:Rich, wide receiver, just got a big, big new deal. Courtland Sutton, four-year,$92 million. That's me and his money deal from the Denver Broncos. All right.
47:07Rich Eisen:Okay. For your 92. So that's way less than 28. Okay. I don't know. You do the math better. Well, it's less than that. I mean, for your 30 million, we have about 20. It's a lot less than that. 24 or 24. Yeah. It's a little bit less than 24 years. 90 something million. Right. Well, that's 25, 23. This is why I'm more verbal. You can chime in on the math anytime you want. I get it. I'm a word sayer. They give me the words to say. This is why you signed Terry McLaurin now. Terry McLaurin's going to be like, okay, Cortland Sutton. So you're going to get Bo Nix's guy? Bo Nix's guy. Guess what? Guess what?
47:42Rich Eisen:I'm Jayden Daniels' guy. Who beat out Bo Nix for Offensive Rookie of the Year? Jayden Daniels. Part of the reason why he did is what? Me. That's who? That is, if I'm Terry McLaurin, I'm sitting there going, calling my agent saying, this better be north of Sutton. and now maybe that could be like you can land between sutton and dk you know what i mean like if they really want to hold toe the line here i know it's 15 and a half million dollars for the guy who helped give you know superman his powers last year that's the way i would look at it if i was terry mclaurin yeah adam schefter uh said earlier today i think on pat But McLaurin unlikely to accept less than DK's new deal.
48:25Rich Eisen:That makes sense. Which was 33 per year. I thought it was 33. I thought it was 30, actually. Well, he's going to get 33 now. Terry McLaurin is going to get his. Look at me caping for Terry McLaurin and Nico Collins caping for CJ Stroud. Michigan men being there for Ohio State, guys. That's what we're here for. 30 years, 60 million guaranteed for DK. That's not crazy. It's the truth. Yeah, yeah. Crazy. The rest of the time, I'm talking with my chest. I was crazy once. And what happened? He locked me in a room. Okay. A rubber room with rats. And rats make me crazy. Speaking of darkness retreats, Aaron Rodgers spoke with our buddy Kyle Brandt on Back Together weekend.
49:09Rich Eisen:Back Together. Back Together. It's not Back Together again, right? No, Back Together weekend. Okay, Back Together weekend. Back Together weekend. Okay, got it. Back Together weekend. What's up with Aaron Rodgers? What do you mean? What does that mean? You see that kid? that kid throwing that football and he launched it into orbit? What was this? At the American Century. Oh, is that?
49:25Albert Breer:There was a video going around of some kid throwing him a ball on 17, and then he kind of looks at it and then just chucks it in the other direction. He knocks it the other direction into a crowd. And the kid is like on the beach just like, throw me my ball back.
49:37Rich Eisen:Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know. Listen, with Aaron Rodgers, he's always judged by the cover. Like, what if the kid wrote on it, you know, like, Steelers suck. You suck. He probably thought it was from the man in the black hat. Could have been. I don't know. This guy. Okay. You know. Well, you know, Terry Bradshaw was very critical of him when everyone was waiting to see if he would sign with the Steelers. Oh, right. And I think Terry got, you know, like, what are you going to make the Steelers wait? Steelers aren't good enough for you? I think essentially was saying. And then the rest of it, he's also been all over Aaron for much of his career too, right?
50:14Rich Eisen:He has. He's not an Aaron fan. So Rogers was asked about the chew on bark. You made a drop out of it, right? You basically told Aaron Rodgers to sign or go somewhere. Chew on Bark? Chew on Bark. Here's Rodgers' response. I've known Terry for a long time, being a part of Fox. Terry's a legend. He's an absolute legend. He won four Super Bowls. He's had a legendary career in the media. But Terry, like a lot of people, doesn't know me. and so he's got an idea of what he thinks about me based on what I've done, the documentary, what I've said, darkness retreat, whatever the hell you want to talk about.
50:55I'd love to get to know Terry on a deeper level, and I feel like if he gave me a chance to get to know him, then we'd have a good friendship because, for me, I have nothing but the utmost amount of respect and deference for what the greats have done because they laid the foundation for us to be able to play in this great game, to be paid like kings, and to carry on the tradition of excellence. So I'd love to get to know Terry on a deeper level if he's open to it, and maybe we can go chew some bark or whatever the hell he's talking about together.
51:24Rich Eisen:Good answer. That's a good answer. By the way, it's a good answer. Family feud answer. It's a good answer. It's a good answer. Chew on bark. Chew on bark is wild. That's like, I've never heard disrespect like that in my life. That's right. his response was he doesn't know me i'd love to get to know him he's a legend it's almost romantic almost but no one knows aaron because he doesn't let anyone know him so what is he talking about the man in the black hat knows aaron maybe he does let people know him i don't know and to say you've never heard anything like that when your dad wrote no Vaseline is wild.
52:02There's not a single line about chewing bark.
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