Andrew Siciliano: It's Boom Or Bust For The Pittsburgh Steelers

25:04Great to see you, sir.

25:06Tom Pelissero:I'm in peace. Great to see you, although you look like color bars on my end. So I assume you look great as usual, Andrew. What's up to my boys in studio? Hey, what up, baby? Yes. color bars, which is a name for a band. It would be great. Um, the, I would assume that the, the number for Micah Parsons needs to be like 41.1 or 41.5. And they could do this deal, Tom, before we get off the air today, hypothetically, couldn't they? It'll be higher than that. Okay. So let's say 42. According to Jerry Jones himself, They had a handshake deal done back in March, but that ended up not getting finalized.

25:53Tom Pelissero:A big piece of this is always the Cowboys want to do longer deals, strong cash flow up front, but then buy up team friendly years on the back end of the contract. Mike has got a very experienced agent, David Muligheta, whose name I'm sure by now Jerry Jones knows, who prefers to do shorter deals. And so I don't know that at this point there's necessarily a rush based upon the fact that in Micah and Jerry's conversation, they knew where the number was going to be. It was always going to be north of 40. I believe it was always going to be north of 41. The real issue here is what does the structure look like and what is the length of the deal?

26:28Tom Pelissero:I anticipate, and I know the Cowboys anticipate Micah showing up to Oxnard on time next week. Whether or not he practices remains an open question. He surprised them by actually doing some things back in OTAs in the spring that he did not have to do at that time. You know, and then also you've got a couple other situations looming out there as well. In my mind, the Micah Parsons number was always going to be north of this. It was going to be closer at all likelihood to 45 than it was to 40. You've got... Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. 45. I'm not saying it will be 45. I'm saying closer to 45 than 40 was likely the number just because Micah is younger than Miles Garrett.

27:12Tom Pelissero:Obviously, Miles is an unbelievably accomplished player, perennial defensive player of the year candidate. But just based upon how these deals tend to go and how the markets tend to work, if a roughly 30-year-old player gets 40 and now a soon-to-be 31-year-old player gets 41, what does that mean for, I think, Micah's 26, a 26-year -old Micah Parsons? And then Aiden Hutchinson is another one. He's coming off of a obviously significant injury. Everything seems like it's all systems go. He's in a different spot because they don't have to necessarily do something. But if the Lions want to get ahead of the market and once Micah gets out there in training camp or excuse me, once Aiden gets out there in training camp, it looks like himself.

27:52Tom Pelissero:Maybe the Lions try to jump in here, too, just because Micah's deal is not likely going to blow this out of the water. And all that is with the backdrop of Trey Hendrickson, who is almost exactly the same age as T.J. Watt, has not been asking for upwards of$40 million. The Bengals, to this point, have not wanted to do the type of multi-year commitment in terms of an extension with Trey Hendrickson that he wants. And there's a fair argument. I'm not saying that, you know, now this adjusts the expectations or anything else. But if T.J. Watt, who has been, you know, more beat up physically, did not produce as well down the stretch last season, had fewer sacks than Trey Hendrickson is the same age.

28:35Tom Pelissero:If he's getting 41, why would Trey Hendrickson not be right in that same type of a bandwidth? You know, so there's a bunch of different interconnected parts. We talked about this, Andrew, on Super Bowl Sunday on NFL Network, that this was going to be the offseason of the pass rusher. You saw Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, DeNeal Hunter get their deals early in the offseason. Now you see T.J. Watt. The big pieces remaining are Micah Parsons, who I believe that that one ultimately will get done. I said a couple of weeks ago on this show, T.J. Watt will get done before training camp and all likelihood.

29:08Tom Pelissero:It'll be north of Miles Garrett. That part happened. Micah Parsons, I would tell you, was always going to be north even of this number. I still anticipate that gets done prior to the start of the regular season, but it may not be in the structure that the Cowboys want. Aiden Hutchinson will see when they decide to put the pedal to the metal here. He's got no reason to be in a rush himself. And then Trey Hendrickson is the one that's, of course, been the ugliest of all these. Yes, T.J. Watt also skipped minicamp, but Trey Hendrickson has literally shown up during a practice and held a press conference.

29:37Tom Pelissero:But how ticked off he is with the organization. Are we going to get another one of those as the Bengals get set to report to training camp next week? I know Trey's been up in that area, you know, doing community work and things like that. It's entirely possible. That's the one that's the most curious in this, particularly because, again, for anybody who doubted that a pass rusher on the wrong side of age 30, as it historically has been, could get 40 plus million dollars. Well, T.J. Watt just disproved that. And if anything, the Trey Hendrickson price you would think just logically now has to go up.

30:08Yeah, let's unpack that one, because to me, Trey Hendrickson is the most fascinating of them all. I agree with you, Micah. Look, the Cowboys report to what used to be the residence inn in Oxnard on Monday. Whatever. He'll be there, and when he practices, call me when he does. Trey Hendrickson, though, I wouldn't be stunned, Tom, if he doesn't show up. He's actually two months younger than T.J. Watt. I don't think people realize that. And the last two years, collectively, the 23 and 24 seasons, nobody has more sacks in the NFL than Trey Hendrickson. Nobody has more sacks yet.

30:43Tom Pelissero:Listen, TJ has pushed through a lot. OK, I don't mean to in any way minimize what TJ Watt has done. But if you just look at the injury report, you know, he's had some pretty significant types of injuries. Look down the stretch of last season. If memory serves, I don't believe T.J. Watt registered a sack in the Steelers' last three games last year, including the playoff game. And the whole defense didn't play well. Obviously, you know, there's all kinds of issues that Pittsburgh had, which is why now they've revamped the roster the way that they have. But Trey Henderson is a guy who, remember, a year ago, back in the summer of 2024, demanded, you know, requested a trade and then ultimately showed up and went through it because the Bengals had challenged him, according to Henderson, to say, hey, go out and do it again.

31:26Tom Pelissero:and then we'll get the contract addressed. Well, he goes out and leaves the league in sacks, yet here we are talking about whether or not they should make a multi-year extension offer to a guy who remains one of the most productive players. TJ Watt just got$108 million fully guaranteed. Trey Hendrickson has not been asking for$108 million fully guaranteed. He hasn't been asking for over$40 million per year. To this point, the Bengals have not been willing to give him what he is asking for. Do the Bengals move at this point? Does this get even uglier? A trade is hard to imagine because when they actually did at least explore that and accept calls before the draft.

31:58Tom Pelissero:Nobody was willing to offer him a first-round pick. There's still a lot of different directions that one could go. Obviously, Trey Hendrickson means a lot to the Bengals' hopes, you would think, in 2025, particularly at a time that they're still going through with their first-round pick as well. Yeah, and you kind of went where I wanted to go, and that is with Hendrickson and T.J. Watt. So you have the Bengals here who have the Shemar Stewart thing hanging over their head. They wrote the check for Jamar Chase. Before that, they had written checks for Joe Burrow and Orlando Brown. Brown coming from Kansas City.

32:28That had been a big check in free agency a couple of years ago as well. T. Higgins got that deal. It's not as much guaranteed beyond year one as I think a lot of people think. But regardless, they wrote a check. They signed both those guys. They denied all the skeptics there. And they got those deals done. Mike Brown is not one to just open up the cash spigot and say, hey, here's more cash for all of you, Trey Hendrickson included. He is one to tell you, hey, I have a deal and you have a contract and you're going to show up and you're going to play. So I guess my question is, if the league doesn't, whether it's fair or not, see Trey Hendrickson the same way they see TJ Watt.

33:03And some of that is media creation and the Steelers, everything with that. I get that. And we're past the draft to your point. So a deal right now doesn't seem likely doesn't help the Bengals this year. is there a scenario in which Trey Hendrickson goes Carson Palmer, where Trey Hendrickson goes, you know what? I am the latest in the line of Bengals big-name guys who later in their career throw Andrew Whitworth in there as well. He eventually sucked it up, and then he went to L.A., and he wrote the next chapter in his career. But is Trey Hendrickson the guy, Tom Pelissero, to go, you know what?

33:40I am willing to sit at home.

33:44Tom Pelissero:He's already said he's not playing on this contract. He said that directly when he showed up in May to an open to the media practice, walked onto the practice field, dressed in like khakis and a polo shirt and said, I'm not coming in for that. So I do not anticipate. Listen, all these things are fluid, Andrew. We've seen things that seem to be going one way and then they all of a sudden the pendulum swings back. I do not believe without a new contract that Trey Anderson is reporting. I think they're next Tuesday report date for the veterans. I don't think that he is there throughout the course of the preseason without a new contract, at least up until the point that he would need to play.

34:20Tom Pelissero:And it would not surprise me. I'm not saying this is going to happen. I'm not putting words in Trey Hendrickson's mouth because I am absolutely certain that more words will come out of Trey Hendrickson's mouth if it keeps going on like this. But I would absolutely not be surprised if he sits out games. You know, you're talking about missing a million dollars per game check, but you're also talking about a guy who this is his time to get one more really big bite at the apple. He's determined to get that. So stay tuned on the Trey Hendrickson situation. It has not seemed like this was a deal that was like impossible to do.

34:53Tom Pelissero:They're not on completely different pages in terms of like what the money would be. But the Bengals have not moved the way the Trey Hendrickson would want to move. We know what he wants. He said it publicly, Andrew. He wants a multi-year extension. He wants a multi-year commitment from the Bengals after that one-year extension he did a couple years ago. He doesn't want to go down that road again. He doesn't want to kick the can and have to address this again in 2026. The Bengals are saying this is what we are willing to do. Eventually somebody has to blink and I don't anticipate that at least in the next few days here it's going to be Trey Hendricks.

35:23All right rookies reporting for a lot of teams. The teams in for the Hall of Fame game already have their team like John Harbaugh, Jim Harbaugh, beg your pardon, like five feet from where we sit right now has his Chargers on the field. And then his whole thing yesterday about like catching 22 foul balls, like it was just bonkers.

35:41Tom Pelissero:We'll play the, uh, the Chargers. Yeah. They had their rookies in a week ago. Lions who are the other team in the hall of fan game are not reporting yet. They don't come in until tomorrow. There is some, it's always an interesting strategy because I've talked to people within the league, several people out of nowhere, just coaches have said, Oh man, I talked to my buddies with the Chargers. I can't believe they're already in camp. there is some of that belief among certain coaches within the league that it's such a long season already now you had the hall of fame game now you're weeks out from that now you're bringing in the rookies even earlier that you're going to wear people out obviously the lions had some level of concern about that by delaying even by a few days uh their report date here we also know jim harbaugh more is more you know he can't wait to get back to work it's i mean he gave like seven different metaphors yesterday and they're all biblical too it's the birth of jesus price he went from the any number of other any number of other things here birth of jesus to catching foul balls in an empty tiger stadium upper deck as a kid it was it was an all-timer it was a roller coaster and yeah and the hall of fame game is two weeks from yesterday so we're still a full two weeks away but as teams report and as rookies report and as the second round picks start finally signing.

36:55That dam has broken. Tom, there's the speculation or the thought, at least, that Quinchon Judkins, who was arrested last week in Ohio with a domestic violence allegation, the Browns' second-round pick, the 36th overall pick, and their second-round pick, beyond Carson Squessinger, who is signed and is ready to report here, that he will not be there today for the Browns as he focuses on his legal issues. What can you tell us about that?

37:21Tom Pelissero:Well, there's some moving parts here, Andrew, because you've got an active domestic violence case in the state of Florida. There have been documents that have been released on that. By all indications, not only do you have documentation of injuries suffered by the woman who identified herself as in a relationship with Quinshawn Judkins, but presumably you also have photos, you have other evidence. The NFL usually waits for the legal system to render anything in terms of suspension. However, it's written into the collective bargaining agreement that if the commissioner believes that a violation, if the evidence leads the commissioner to believe that a violation likely occurred, then they can use the exempt list to take him off the field.

38:03Tom Pelissero:In other words, Andrew, if Quinchon Judkins were to show up, sign his contract, the NFL as soon as today could go, actually, no, you're not going to be on the field. So it really behooves everyone to exercise some level of patience. We've not seen any statements, any quotes, anything from Quinshawn Judkins or his agent to this point. We know one side of the story, which is what the woman told police in a, you know, partially in a 911 call that was also released. And then in terms of the document here, he was arrested. He was charged with misdemeanor domestic violence. It's certainly a serious case.

38:39Tom Pelissero:The NFL many times, virtually every time, has rendered greater discipline than the criminal justice system, even when ultimately there's no finding of any type of guilt in terms of the judicial system here. So, again, a lot of different moving parts with Quinshaw and Judkins. It would make sense that the Browns want him to focus on that because, again, Andrew, even if he showed up, even if they did the deal, and by the way, at 36, that would be the next slot that potentially would be fully guaranteed. It just would not make a whole lot of sense for him to show up right now. For the Browns, it would be the proverbial distraction.

39:17Tom Pelissero:Obviously, it's more serious than that. I'm not trying to minimize that. For Quinshawn Judkins, it might just lead to him going on the exempt list from which, Andrew, there's no sign. It's not like that's a finite thing. He could end up on that for a long period of time. Taking their time moving forward here is probably the best course of action, while the NFL, again, continues to review whatever facts, and knowing that ultimately whatever the final outcome is from the NFL's perspective, that part probably doesn't even happen until after this is running its course in the legal system. Talking to Tom Pelissero, I have about a minute left here.

39:50So the story, Tom, deserves more than a minute, but let's boil it down because that's the point of the question. When you hear, when the average fan hears last night that the head of the union, the NFLPA, Lloyd Howell, resigns. And honestly, it's midsummer and they couldn't care less about conflicts of interest with private equity and all of that. And collusion, like the average fan is on summer vacation. And when you tell them, oh, my God, did you see this? They're like, all right, well, how does it affect me as the average fan? Or how does it affect the game that I love? My first reaction is, well, when you have negotiation on a longer season, which we all believe that is inevitable, there will be a new person in charge on the other side of the table.

40:30Beyond that, why should the average fan spend a lot of time thinking about Lloyd Howell?

40:36Tom Pelissero:Well, at this point, Lloyd Howell has removed himself from the situation, which is obviously an unfortunate ending that nobody expected when about roughly two years ago he was named to that post to succeed Demora Smith, who had been close to two decades in the executive director post. You know, this is there are parallels here, Andrew, and this is probably as close as I'll ever get to mentioning politics here or anywhere else. But there are parallels that I see to Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency. When Lloyd Howell was hired, it was because of his business acumen. And this is based upon quotes from executive committee members, J.C.

41:15Tom Pelissero:Tretter at the time. They wanted him. They thought that they had an overly bloated business. There were obviously a ton of long term employees. They thought that they could be more streamlined. They thought they could be more efficient. And so there were dozens, some of them longtime NFL Players Association employees who suddenly were no longer employed by the union. Well, what happens when dozens of longtime employees are no longer working someplace? There might be one or two of them that might not be happy with that. And suddenly you begin to have blowback that rightly or wrongly and in leaks and other things that are directed at the person who ultimately was in charge.

41:55Tom Pelissero:And that person just decides to say, you know what, I don't need this. I'm going to do something else. That is a story, Andrew, that I think for anybody who has followed the federal government over the last six months can understand some of the parallels to that here. I would say why people should care is because sometime in the next five years, and I would say sooner than later, there are going to be negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement. It potentially quite likely will include a negotiation over going to an 18-game regular season schedule. It will include the possibility of ripping up the various broadcasting deals, extending them, continuing to rethink them at a time that they've become more fragmented, obviously, to different streaming services and things.

42:38Tom Pelissero:And ultimately, you're hoping, if you're a football fan, that there's no disruption. And who the NFLPA names to that post is going to have a heavy hand in exactly what direction things go. Lloyd Howell, again, came from a business background. He was a businessman. man. He was not a former trial lawyer, a federal prosecutor like Demora Smith, who was, you know, again, you could argue this either way, rightly or wrongly, but he was very much, he did not mind confrontation. He was not afraid to fire back when you would see quotes. You didn't see that from Lloyd Howell. He felt the best way was do deals.

43:11Tom Pelissero:And he did a lot of small deals, side deals and things to try to improve various aspects of the CBA while also having an eye to potentially opening up that agreement sooner than later. In the short term, the Board of Representatives at some point, possibly as soon as today, is going to meet. They're going to have to take steps to name an interim executive director, which there's no clause in the CBA or the NFLPA constitution for what happens if the executive director steps down. There are a few logical candidates, people who are or have been with the union. Tom DePasso, who's been the longtime head of, He's done a lot of things on the salary cap side, the legal side.

43:49Tom Pelissero:He would be a potential option, but he was one of those people who was cycling out and was not going to be with the union after the end of this year. Don Davis is another one who's been on the player affairs side. And then George Atala, who up until a few months ago was the assistant executive director of external affairs, I think was his title. He was essentially the number two in many ways in command to DeMora Smith. He left the NFLPA. He's one of the few people outside of D. Smith who know all the ins and outs of it. I can see any of those three people being potential candidates to allow the executive committee, however they decide to run this process, to run a thorough, quite possibly more transparent process than they ran with Lloyd Howell, to find the right person to set them up.

44:29Tom Pelissero:Because as much as five years, Andrew, is a lifetime here in terms of how many seasons and how many of the guys that are even in the league now are going to be in the league by 2030. But for a football fan, if you're thinking five years out, that is not a long way to avoid work stoppages, ugliness. You want to know that the train is going to keep moving forward here. And so the person hired is going to be very, very important. But for the next six months, Andrew, I would imagine, yes, the attention for most people watching the show certainly is going to turn to the action on the field. Yeah, but that's coming quickly.

45:02And there's another guy on the other side of the table. The other guy on the other side of the camera is Tom Pellicero, the great NFL Network insider. Have a wonderful weekend, sir. We appreciate you. Tom Pellicera, everybody.

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46:04Tom Pelissero:All right, first one up, Brian Cranston. True or false? One of your first gigs was a Preparation H commercial. True or false? Oh, come on. That is false. Oh, gosh. Look at that photo. That's very Roy Scheider. Isn't it? Yeah. Don't you think right there? If I could pick it? Roy Scheider is really good. What do you think? Or what's that talk show host who had those big red glasses? What's her name? Sally Jesse Raphael. Sally Jesse Raphael. Sally Jesse Raphael. Good call. That was good. Good call. Yeah. So what's, what happened? This, this is truly. It's called a job, Rich. I know you haven't been job hunting in a while.

46:41Tom Pelissero:Oh, Mr. Employment, steady employment guy. Well, you're not, you know, actors. You gotta, you gotta say yes. Well, this was at least. Yes. I was a spokesperson. I wasn't afflicted by hemorrhoids. You know what? Well, in real life I am, but not in. If I was afflicted, I would trust you to give me the right advice. I would put that ointment on and go, there we go. Let's take care of this little problem. I didn't mean the administering of the operation. I just meant the advice of like, you should try. I'm a full service spokesperson. We don't just stop with talking about it. Come on. Is that why you brought your alcohol as well?

47:25Tom Pelissero:I bring my alcohol so I can soak my finger. It kills. It just kills everything. True or false, you did your own stunts on Malcolm in the Middle, including wearing a suit of 10 ,000 live bees. That also is false. Okay. That never happened. Oh, God. You keep on having the photo pictures. But those are real? Those are real. That's 10 ,000. I forget how many, the count it was. But they would extract the pheromones from the queen, and they would put the droplets all over me wherever they wanted the bees to go. Then they'd open up the traveling chutes, and the bees would just start swarming. And they'd swarm forever.

48:12Tom Pelissero:In order for them to stay off my face so the camera could recognize me, you take a little of the bug spray off or whatever, and they put it all over my face there so that they would crawl, oh, no, I don't want that, and they'd get off it. But it was about two inches thick of bees. So I got stung once in the shoulder when they were getting them off, but once when I was doing that whole thing and I had to stand very still, one got between my legs and I got stung and I said, oh, I think I got stung. Because when you're wearing bees, Rich, the chance of being stung is pretty high. Yes. You're wearing bees, for God's sake.

49:00Tom Pelissero:So, but what I realized is that the sting of a bee is not really painful. It is mostly the shock that gets you. You're, wow, geez, something just... But when you're wearing bees and you get stung, it was literally... Yeah. I think I... Did I get stung? I did get stung and the beekeeper comes over ready with a little credit card thing and a thing to scoop it out. He goes, where is it? I go, in my scrotum. And he goes, can't help it. That's exactly what it is. Can't help it.

49:45Great stuff on the flashback there with Bryan Cranston, right? like the old preparation stuff turn on the turn on the tv last night hi it's the rich eyes and show i'm andrew uh just tying it in on the uh on the roku side here showing some brian cranston i turned it on and i see car insurance being sold to be by ludicrous and danica patrick have you guys seen that spot yeah is that a it's like a car warranty thing oh no not that one yeah luda luda luda like Very calmly. Not like the Luda that we saw Tuesday in Atlanta during the All-Star game, which was awesome. Luda and Danica Patrick. You know.

50:25Yeah. Hysterical. The golf. Open championship. Yes. Chris Brockman. Andrew. Brian Harmon atop the leaderboard right now. He shot a 69 at a 65. He is at 8 under. He was a 2023 champ Brian Harmon.

50:43Tom Pelissero:He does outstanding in these conditions. A lot of weather over there in Northern Ireland right now. A lot of rain. We got a three-way tie atop. Haotong Li, the Chinese golfer, he is on 18 right now. He's four under today. Matthew Fitzpatrick, the 22 U.S. Open winner. He's also eight open. Scotty Scheffler looming one back. Joe Thomas coming up next. Hall of Famer. Yeah, leaderboard is starting to jam up with a bunch of heavy hitters. Robert McIntyre, he won the Scottish Open last year. He is a three back. He's sitting there at five under Terrell Hatton. He had a great performance at the U S open at Oakmont a month ago.

51:22Tom Pelissero:He shot a 69 today. Nice. He's a three back at five under Harris English, Tony fee. Now all these guys are looming Keegan Bradley, a lot of speculation. If Keegan, maybe top tens, he'll have enough points to qualify automatically for the Ryder cup. Would he go on and pick himself, step aside so he can play that storyline. line is going to heat up. Roy McIlroy also a 69 today, Jay. Nice. He is three under, five back. You know what's nuts is so I'm right now as you're going through the leaderboard, I'm reading along here, pgatour.com slash leaderboard shows you how the world has changed. You guys know this, but just this is another example.

52:08And on the leaderboard here, it says like, for example, Brian Harmon, eight under through. He's done. He's in the clubhouse. You know, 6-under on the day, 8-under overall, has a 69 and 65, 134 strokes, all that. The FedEx stuff there. And then the final column on the far right, odds to win. Odds. And then with a green arrow or a red arrow, meaning they're up and down. Yes, sir. Odds to win on PGATour.com. Like, we're talking real-time odds. It's like that across the board. Any game, any anything you watch obviously has those real time odds on the bottom of the screen. This is not some big revelation.

52:47Just the first time that I have seen it here on PGATour.com and it was like a oh wow. Oh wow look at that. Different world we live in these days but hey it's a world in which we ended the all star game with a wacky home run derby. It was cool. And it was awesome. It was great. It was fun. Now it would have been great if Shohei and Aaron Judge weren't already at 35 ,000 feet, passed out on their private jet, right? That would have been a little more fun. Like, I didn't need David Aranda, who's a nice player with his 21 career home runs. That was so dismissive.

53:25Tom Pelissero:He's a nice player. He's a nice player. But 21 career home runs instead of Aaron Judge. Cal Raleigh and is 38. Instead of Cal Raleigh, who understandably, Cal Raleigh's exhausted. Exhausted. Probably can't lift his arms above his head after Monday night. And that was an amazing moment. And how about his, his brother, who they say is 15, but looks 24. He was a giant. I know. Right? Yeah. But like, I mean, if we do the home run derby again, could we do it with players? We know. We know this guy, Joe Thomas coming up.

54:04It's Saturday morning.

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