Are Dallas Cowboys Fans More Committed To Winning Than Jerry Jones?

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23:16Rich Eisen:Back here on the show, Clarence Hill is about to join us when the radio audience rejoins us as well. Well, you made this point, Chris, during the commercial break. Let's follow up on it. The Dallas Cowboys 2025 schedule isn't easy. Remember I said before, let's talk about what if they start slowly, poorly, mediocre record, halfway through. They've got a, we all know, big kickoff visit to the Eagles. Home for the Giants at the Bears. Home for the Packers at the Jets. At Carolina. I mean, again, looking at this prism through the prism of last year, I mean, those are some winnable games. Now, it's always difficult to look through the prism of last year when you're talking about a new year.

24:04Washington at Denver, Arizona is going to be better, which they've struggled against that team in recent years. I mean, I think they're lucky to be 5-4 heading into the bye week. And then you look at the second half.

24:17Rich Eisen:Philadelphia, Kansas City, Detroit, Minnesota, Chargers, Washington. They got a six-week stretch that is just absolutely brutal. If the Giants and Vegas are improved, and again, if Carolina is the sleeper team that I'm thinking that they could be, then the Jets, dude. I mean, who knows? But you look at this schedule and you're like, man, how do they win? Where are seven, eight wins? Where are, if you think they're a playoff team, okay, where are 10, 11 wins on this schedule? You have to hunt and pack. Yeah. Could be long air. Maybe. You have to be smoking something over there this morning. You know, again, folks might not know, and we'll talk about it on tomorrow's show as well.

24:59Rich Eisen:Chris Brockman and TJ Jefferson share a birthday. That day is tomorrow. So I think what we should do is you each come up with a birthday wish for yourself from the other. A gift. And yours would be to have TJ play the win-loss game for the Cowboys tomorrow. Happy birthday to you. Thank you. Now, TJ, you'll have to think about something similar. Okay. Okay. Let's play the soundbite of the day from the Monday press conference with Jerry Jones talking about the injury history of two of his stars. Just because we sign him doesn't mean we're going to have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously.

25:43We've signed, I remember signing a player for the highest paid position in the league, and he got knocked out two-thirds of the year. Dak Prescott so there's a lot of things you can think about just as the player does when you're thinking about committing and guaranteeing money

26:02Rich Eisen:and again we chopped up that sound like quite a bit to start today's program and we were wondering what does this really mean and to join us once again back on the Rich Eisen Show is a man who speaks fluent Jerry as he is the longest tenured Dallas Cowboys beat writer representing DLLS Cowboys, ladies and gentlemen, Clarence Hill. Good to see you again, Clarence. How are you? How are you doing today? Well, you tell me. I mean, what did Jerry mean by that? And what was the context in which he said it on Monday, Clarence? Jerry is embarrassed and disappointed that they don't have a deal done with Michael Parsons.

26:46Jerry and Micah Parsons actually reported in March that they had a handshake deal, a verbal agreement on a deal to make him the highest paid non-quarterback in NFL history, certainly the currently highest paid player. And Micah asked Jerry to call his agent. And Jerry and Steven have not done that. And now this was in March. And now we're in late July, getting ready to go to August, starting the training camp. They still have a deal done. Michael Parsons here most likely will have a hold in. So Jerry is coming over reasons why they don't have a deal. And he's saying, well, the guy could get hurt.

27:22Well, that's the case with any deal you make with anybody. Certainly he signed Dak Prescott last year to the richest contract in sports in the NFL, $60 million annually, and he only played eight games. Michael Parsons played four games last year because he had a high ankle sprain. But that comes with a dinner with football. I mean, players get hurt, which is one reason why, you know, players are pushing or should be pushing more for guaranteed contract. That's part of it. To bring it up and act like that's why they don't have a deal done. That's not true.

27:53Rich Eisen:Well, the thing is, I'm with you, Clarence. You know, we were saying at the, again, top of the show, this sounds like man raging at clouds, right? Like, yeah. I mean, in any sport, somebody, look at basketball, with the stars in basketball and the NBA, who now have blown out Achilles and what that means for the entire team. You know somebody's going to eventually get hurt, certainly in a contact sport like the NFL. So you're saying this statement is born out of the fact that Jerry and Steven had a handshake deal with the player himself, and the player himself says, talk to my agent, and they still haven't actually followed that instruction from the player?

28:36Is that what you're saying, Clarence? Is that what it is? They still have not. The two principals, Deary and Steven, the guys who make the decisions, have not talked to the agent, David Moologata of Athlete's First, one of the top agents in the country. They have not talked to the agent. You know, their cap guy has, Evan Pacifica. But Deary and Steven, who Michael asked to talk to his agent, have not talked to the agent. And I'm just saying Jerry spent a lot of time doing the press conference, come up reasons why he hasn't done the deal. He's like, I need to see more leadership from Michael. I need to see him, you know, in camp, you know, patting players on the butt because it's going to be a hold in.

29:14I just, I need to see more. Well, you didn't need to see more because you already had a handshake deal, a verbal agreement on a deal in March without saying all that. So now we're in late July, August. Why have you not, why don't you have a deal? well, he's coming up with reasons, an example of why they may not have a deal. Well, the agent needs to call us or whatever else. Well, Micah asked you to call the agent. They haven't done that.

29:38Rich Eisen:Clarence Hill here on The Rich Eisen Show. Has the T.J. Watt deal complicated this anymore, do you think, Clarence? Because they understood from the beginning that no matter that, and they've said they want to make Micah the richest non-quarterback in the NFL. You know, and before T.J. Watt, it was Garrett, you know, and Jamar Chase. and T.J. Watt only went a million over them. So, I mean, if 40 was realistic that now that T.J. Watt is 41, then that doesn't have an impact. I mean, he was going to get that anyway. Well, now it's 41, is it 42, is it 43? How much higher do you go? But, you know, Micah said he knows he's going to be the richest non-quarterback.

30:20He is comfortable in knowing that he wants to be at camp. He wants to be practicing with his teammates. he's out here you know and he's going to be around and I think the fact that he's out there going to be around knows that it's a matter of time because the Cowboys have never not gotten something done. If you go back to all the negotiations going back to CeeDee, I mean Zeke when he said Zeke who before and then Zeke got upset and then he signed Zeke and you last year CeeDee missed all the camp and deck you know decided to start to the morning of the season opener, Jerry always gets the deal done.

30:56It's just a matter of when. And for Jerry, it's sport. If you listen to his first comment yesterday, he was just enjoying life, enjoying being GM of the Cowboys, making jokes about Landman and Cartoon and talking about, you guys have, you know, there's nothing you can say that's going to impact me because I've heard it all, I've been through it all, and he has. But I remember a time when public criticism did impact the decision making, going back to Randy Moss, when they passed on Randy Moss because of the criticism of the bad boy Cowboys of the 90s that passed on the Hall of Fame with Randy Moss and drafted Greg Ellis.

31:28Everybody knows they should have drafted Randy Moss, and Randy Moss expected to come to Dallas at that time. But Jerry was swayed by public opinion. He was swayed by the media. I think that now we're seeing a different Jerry Jones in how he handles his business with the Cowboys. They don't spend the money like they used to. They don't go all in, so to speak, in putting this team together. and 82 years old, Jerry is enjoying working with his sons, working with his family. Certainly his franchise is the richest in sports. He does have three Super Bowls. The angst for him is not the same for fans who've never seen the Cowboys be winners or these players who have to bear the burden of the 90s on their back like Dak and CD and Micah.

32:12You know, he got three Super Bowls he can sleep with and he has the richest franchise in sports and he's on Landman and he keeps talking about the next Netflix special, you know, life is good.

32:25Rich Eisen:Yeah, I know the Landman speech that, you know, we saw and that he said the best part got cut out of in his press conference on Monday. You know, everybody says that really is Jerry. Jerry wasn't making that up. Like he truly does love working with his kids and things of that nature. You know, and it's funny you bring up what you brought up because, you know, I was going to say, I said this to start the program to Clarence, is, you know, the Micah Parsons liking the J.J. Watt tweet that criticizes Jerry's comments to sort of potentially seem like he's broadsiding Parsons and Dak for getting hurt or potentially not living up to a contract.

33:12Rich Eisen:In fact, Zeke hanging out in Cabo is holding the beer here. Like, this is nothing, you know, when it compares to all of that. And Zeke wound up getting paid anyway. So it's just another day in Jerry world is basically what you're saying? If you listen to Netflix, he says it's a soap opera 365, but he's part of the reason why it's a soap opera, and he enjoys these moments. You know, I really think he opens the press conference looking to go viral. Like, what can I say that's going to get these people laughing and sucking? I mean, when you talk about the lab man thing about the best part, and he puts his finger up there, you know, what he would have done to the guy.

33:54I mean, he enjoys that. And certainly we enjoy the banter of the owner and GM because he is the decision maker, but he makes it fun. But he enjoys the fun of it. I mean, he talks about he's never worked a day in his life, and I'm having fun. and why would I ever give up this job that I paid for to have fun with my team and enjoy life with my family? Not only does he get to work next to his sons and his daughter Charlotte, but he also has his grandkids on the staff. I mean, as we get older, we take a stock in life, and we appreciate these moments. He's appreciating the moment.

34:29Rich Eisen:Well, I've got to tell you, Clarence, during that last response, because my head's always on a swivel here in the Rich Eisen Show studio, and I have my peripheral vision. Diehard Dallas Cowboy fan, TJ Jefferson, you were shaking your head throughout that entire answer. Like, just like, you were just, I mean, you want to interpret that? Because Clarence is here to help. Clarence is here to help right now. I don't know if Clarence can help at this point. This is just a personal thing where, I guess this is why people stay in loveless marriages, Clarence, because you're so used to each other. You fear what would happen if you leave each other, right?

35:05That's how I feel. But I got to be honest, that last thing you said there, when you when you really broke it down, right? At the end of the day, Jerry's when it's all going to be written, it's going to be he had the most valuable franchise in sports. He had three Super Bowls. He helped bring advertising into the NFL. He did this, that and the third. He's got a bust for it. At the end of the day, you just said he's doing what he wants to do. He paid for this team. He's working with his family. He's working with his sons and his grandsons. And it's hard to argue that he hasn't earned that right.

35:37But you want results, though. You want results because you're the fan here. But it's hard to, like, what argument can you give to this man at that point, right? Like, based upon everything you said, how are you going to get him to change his mind? He's not going to. This is how it's going to be until the end. And he's already in all the fame. He's already in all the fame. Yeah. So he has no reason to change.

35:57Rich Eisen:I don't know, though. Clarence, where do you stand on that? Where that Jerry, I mean, although it seems, are you driving at that he's content enough? I don't know if he had the same hunger as Cowboy fans, the generation of Cowboy fans who've never seen the Cowboys be winners. I'm not saying Jerry doesn't want to win, certainly wants to win again, but he's certainly enjoying having fun and running this franchise and having a richest franchise in sports. My mom used to say a long time ago, you can't serve two masters. Either you focus on making money or you focus on winning. He's making money. Well, and so in the few minutes we have left with you, Clarence, what, I guess let's talk about the actual wins and losses and how it looks, right?

36:42Right? I mean, training camp's open. It's Brian Schottenheimer's first run at it, not just for Dallas, but period. What are you hearing? What are you sensing that's different, that can be different, that will actually result in the wins that can take a lot of these conversations off the table? Well, the only thing, the main thing is Dak being healthy. When Dak has been healthy and played the full complement of the game, the Cowboys have been winners in the sense that they've made the playoffs. They've continued for the playoffs late in the season. It's just what's going to happen when they get to the playoffs is the issue.

37:14But they've generally been a playoff team when Dak is healthy, and Dak is healthy and ready to go, and the Cowboys are excited. They brought in George Pickens to pair with CeeDee Lamb. They should have one of the most exciting pass offers in the league, with CeeDee and George Pickens and Dak Prescott throwing the ball around the park. The last time he was fully out and played a couple of games, he was the MVP runner-up and really should have won it. His numbers were better than Lamar Jackson that year.

37:40Rich Eisen:What about the run game? What about that? That's the question. They've improved the office line. First-round pick, Tyler Booker. They should run the ball better. The question is who's going to carry the ball. And Miles Sanders, Javante Williams, Jaden Blue, So there's some questions at running back, but the blocking should be better. The threat of CD and George on the outside should help open things up in the running game. They should run the ball better. But the big issue for me, you know, when we're talking about how good they can be, if they can make a playoff run, really deep playoff run for the first time since their last Super Bowl title in 1995, I remember the Cowboys have the longest drought to get the NCAA title game in the NFC.

38:24since Washington got there last year with Jayden Daniels. They have the longest draft. And that's something that Jerry should be sensitive about. And certainly the players and the fans are certainly sensitive about this long draft. But they've got to find a way to stop the run. You know, their biggest bugaboo has been defense, not being able to stop the run, not being able to run the ball, but also not being able to stop the run. And they did little to improve their run defense last year.

38:47Rich Eisen:Well, what about health-wise as well, Clarence? I mean, of all the people that might have sparked Jerry's soliloquy on injuries and big-time contracts not being lived up to because of it, there's Trayvon Diggs sitting there riding out. What's his scoop and the rest of the injury front going into this season? You know, Diggs is not – he signed a contract, a rich contract a couple years ago, and he's been injured the past two years. He was torn ACL in 2023 after three games. And then last year, he suffered a knee injury and has been out. It may not be back until October. You know, that's the reality of it.

39:30And certainly he has a clause in his contract that he should be around for the offseason program and show up. And so he loses$500 ,000 on a$10 million salary. So he's going to make$9.5 million this year anyway, right? But he lost$500 ,000 of incentives to show up for the offseason program because he valued his trainer in Florida is going to get him healthy and ready to go for the bulk of his career, not just for this season. And he has a public spat with the Cowboys training department. And so he decided to train elsewhere. And Jerry threw him under the bus, so to speak, about his rehab and not being around.

40:12Yesterday, we were talking about Mike. Like, you know, he just picked up and threw Diggs under the bus and invoked Diggs into the conversation.

40:20Rich Eisen:Yes. But we all knew that Diggs was not, and everyone knows that Diggs in the injury situation, he might not be ready for the start of the season. And that's been the case. And you add in Siobhan Rubble, the third-round pick, who's also on the NFI list and coming off ACL injury. Yeah, they have questions in the secondary because you don't know when you're going to get Diggs and you don't know. And Rubble coming off ACL, he may not be at his best until next season. So I guess lastly for you, before I let you go, the one other comment that lingered from the Jerry press conference on Monday to kick off the training camp season was the amount of time that he admitted that he considered no longer being general manager of the Dallas Cowboys.

41:06Rich Eisen:Was that frame of time shorter or longer than the, you know, retirement concepts that Jordan once upon a time threw out there, right? About his return and things of that nature. Clarence, what'd you make of that comment from Jerry? At least he admitted it was a fraction of a second. You know, he told me last year that he's the best damn GM in the league and nobody can do the job better than him. Nobody has more experience doing the job better than him. He certainly has been added longer, as long or longer than anybody in the NFL. And he knows the league. He knows economics. And so over the time, everybody's asked, well, the Cowboys have won and they got a non, maybe they need to get a football guy, a football guy.

41:50And he said that, you know, during this 30 year drought, he's considered a fraction of a second of not being the GM. And then he came to his senses because he's having fun doing his job. He paid. He faced the devil, as he said, to do this job. He paid for the right to do this job and he's going to do this job.

42:12Rich Eisen:How's that going to sit with Cowboy fans? Like, what do you think? The Cowboy fans will continue to sell out AT &T Stadium. I mean, what are we talking? We're stuck, Clarence. We are stuck. We're not going anywhere. Still drinking the Kool-Aid. Clarence Hill, ladies and gentlemen. Love it, man. The red kind, Clarence. D-L-L-S Cowboys. D-L-L-S Cowboys. And, of course, at Clarence Hill Jr., if you wish to follow him on social media. Great to see you, Clarence. I knew you would always bring it like you always do. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Thank you, guys. That's Clarence Hill here on The Rich Eisen Show.

42:54Rich Eisen:Golf clap for Clarence Hill. Yes, sir. Big time. All right. We will take a break here. Give you some minutes to refresh. Come back some news about the way you can take in this program with your ears. and then Mike Florio coming up. Also the latest from the Commanders on Terry McLaurin.

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44:43Rich Eisen:The NFL bringing the country together around a television set, or if they're fortunate to be able to go to a game if the local ordinances allow it, it's so huge. That said, for you personally, you have an embarrassment of riches. You've got a beautiful family, a beautiful stadium. You're the guardian of the star. You've got a bust. You've got a Hall of Fame ring. You've got a jacket. What you don't have is a fourth Lombardi trophy. How bad do you want it, Jerry Jones? How badly do you want this? Well, Rich, like you said, you've been around for two decades now. And you haven't seen us raise that trophy.

45:20I did ask the man upstairs when I got the third one. I said, if you'll give me this one, I'll never ask again. I'm asking. I'm trying to retrade that deal. And so to the extent that he's listening to us, and I'm sure he is, I will do better. There have got some things that I can offer you to get that trophy. On the other hand, you know, that's why we're here. That's why I'm involved. A lot of people say and relate us to financial. but I was fortunate, lucky, and I had some resources and I used it all to buy the Dallas Cowboys. Every bit of it to buy the Dallas Cowboys back 30 years ago. I came here to get to be a part of a team that could compete for the championship.

46:15Not a greater place to compete and start than in this new stadium in Englewood, California. I was born about a block and a half right at the end of the LAX runway. I had a little house out here during World War II, and I was born right there in Inglewood. Well, that's, I didn't even, I never knew that, Jerry Jones.

46:41Rich Eisen:I never knew that. That's truly unbelievable. I never knew that that's where you were born. And again, I'm excited for this season on behalf of everyone at NFL Network. greatly appreciate your support for our network for all from jump street to now. And then just for me personally, I want to thank you. I truly appreciate it.

47:04Rich, I've watched you handle Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders. Anybody that can keep them in their place deserves to be the star of the network.

47:14Rich Eisen:Jerry, I really appreciate that. That means a ton. And best to your family. And good luck for the season. We appreciate the call. Thank you. Thank you, Rich. You got it. Thank you, Rich. You got it right back at you. Thank you. That's Jerry Jones here. That was at the outset of the pandemic season in 2020. He was talking about the anniversary special that was going on on NFL Network and other places for the Cowboys. I believe back in 2020, that was their 50th year, right? Was there a 50th celebration in 2020 or 60 or something like that? 20? Yeah. At any rate, he was on. 60, yeah. And it's amazing.

47:55Rich Eisen:And I appreciate, Hoskins, you playing that there because in the 30 seconds we have left here, he's still, as you heard what Clarence Hill basically say, he's still the same guy who's like, I gave every dime to get this team. I'm running it. I'm running it with my family. I paid for this right. To do this. Yeah, that's kind of how it was. You know, we all know him as a gajillionaire right now. But once upon a time, he put every dime he had into buying the Cowboys. So he's, even in 2025, he's not giving it up. Back on the Rich Eisen Show. One big happy family together. Don't usually talk about us and the business of us very much on this program.

48:39Rich Eisen:But there's a lot going on with the business of us. back in may um we uh we struck a deal uh to move the television version of this show to uh the walt disney company we will be in early september streaming on disney plus espn plus and the new direct-to-consumer um way of delivering television uh that espn is putting out and it's a new service called wait a minute i wrote it down here espn oh god yeah and you know clearly uh to be able to go back to where my career started also stay with nfl network um was uh was something that i never thought possible 22 years later and the same thing is now the case with the radio version of this show we are on september 2nd moving the audio version of this show to ESPN Radio, which is also my roots.

49:40Rich Eisen:I'm proud to say I got my first radio gig of my career being the first ever studio voice of Major League Baseball on ESPN Radio. Covered the World Series, covered All-Star Games, covered that amazing 1999 All-Star Game in Fenway Park with the All-Century team. I stood behind home plate with the ESPN Radio mic flag and watched all of the stars of the past and the present converge around Ted Williams throwing out that first pitch. Remember that? What a moment, man. Right? I'm getting goosebumps just even remembering that right now. So the fact that I'm able to return to those roots is also a blessing.

50:17Rich Eisen:I do want to thank my friends at Westwood One, Odyssey as well, the Infinity Sports Network. You can still, this show will be available on many Infinity Sports Network stations throughout the rest of the fall. Westwood won. You were there for us coming out of the pandemic when our world was completely turned upside down. Again, it's just a blessing being partners with them, also with Odyssey, Infinity Sports Network. But ESPN Radio is going to be the home of this show. It's an old home of mine. It's a new home of mine. I'm getting my ties back to some people who I was working with at the start of my career, and that is an absolute, I'll keep saying it over again, blessing.

51:04Rich Eisen:I thought that part of my career was closed. And part of the world that we're moving to as well, audio is the podcast world, the Rich Eyes and podcast world, is also porting to ESPN radio. And I can't wait to work with ESPN radio and Good Karma Brands and everybody else there as well. And I appreciate you listening. Also, in the same way that we're available on Infinity Sports Network stations throughout the fall, I keep saying over and over and over again here, and for the last three years, with our relationship with Roku and the great crew there, right? Just want to just get it all out right now so we don't talk about it.

51:50Rich Eisen:You know, Joe Francetta, who brought the show here, and Charlie Collier, and the rest of the crew there, just amazing people. as I keep on reminding everybody, Roku's got everything. So Disney Plus and ESPN Plus and I wrote it down here. ESPN. Yeah, heard of them.

52:14That we're not going anywhere.

52:16Rich Eisen:If you have Roku, you still watch us. Still got us. Yep. Right? So because Roku's got everything and it's partners with everybody. Yep. So and then I'll be on NFL Network I think the next thing I'm doing is Hall of Fame. And then I've got a night in studio for preseason and then game day morning. And then one of the pods, just to, again, keep talking about our business here, that we're creating a new pod here at the Rich Eisen Show and Rich Eisen Productions. I will be hosting it. it's yet untitled but it's a pod um where i'm going to scroll down memory lane and lean into the old sports center days and interview some colleagues of mine from back in that day and those who are still there from connectivity from back in that day and a bunch of other people uh it's untitled but i've got a title in mind oh okay you know i think i i think i'm gonna call it this should i should i do it should i do it crowd source it yeah sure i think i'm gonna call it i'm gonna call it this was sports center i love that you know lean in because they yeah you know again the folks there that you know that campaign this is sports this was yeah this was sports center you know because of this you know i'm going to lean into the old days tell some stories about of my own and then uh chop it up with some old uh long time friends that's fun that's gonna be great whose number i don't believe they've lost of mine i don't think so that's the business of what we're doing around here look at us the best thing about us is it's about it about us though it's about us that's uh that's that's uh rich eyes and consulting we're bringing that consulting as well we're full service that's basically what i'm saying we do it all you can't stop us you can only hope to contain us.

54:13Rich Eisen:I don't think they can even hope to do that. Who said that once upon a time? I don't think containment is an option. No, that's not an option. Hour two coming up. I don't think I can be your friend, Isabella said. Rebecca's stomach flipped. This is the love story of real hinge couple Isabella and Rebecca, written and read by me, Temby Denton-Hurst. Listen to the free audiobook now.