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34:19That's ethos.com slash sports. Application times and rates may vary. Stephanie, no voy a hacer la entrevista en español. Solo aprendí a decir esta parte para asustar mi compañero. Really? You Spanish is really good. Thank you. Más o menos. Go ahead. Your turn. Am I? Okay. No, no. I just did that. Estefania. Bonjour. Je m 'appelle TJ. Como tal y vos? Wait, that's... I literally... I'm getting told that's French. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my bad. I literally did that just to mess with you. Sorry, champ. I got my languages messed up. I'm sorry. She is a former CMLL women's champion. Check. A former CMLL women's tag team champion.

35:18Check. The New Japan women's strong style champion. Check. And now she is the first. Ever. First. One time. First women's NXT double champion, and holding both the North American title and the NXT women's title. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for the Dark Angel, La Primavera. Stephanie Baquer. Stephanie Baquer, welcome. In the house. Welcome, welcome. I'm so happy to be here. You say La Primera, the first one. La Primera, yes, thank you. The first. There's one last thing that we'd like to talk to you about. Mm-hmm. And that's the move. the move that sets NXT on fire, the move that makes Booker T lose his mind every week.

36:06Oh my God. The move that makes camera ops almost lose their job because they understand the assignment. Oh my God. Now full disclosure, we've seen Charlotte Flair use this move before, but not to the effect that you use it. What is the move called? Does it have a name? And if it doesn't, can we name it right now? Matt Bloom, coach, say Devil Kiss. The Devil's Kiss. Yeah, I love this name. But if people say different name, maybe good because I... Devil's Kiss is a great name. Let me ask you. Do you like that name, The Devil's Kiss? Yeah, I like it. That's it. That's what it's called. It's The Devil's Kiss.

36:54Oh, yeah, man. As Booker T would say. You know, The Devil's Kiss. I never knew the name of it. We'd sit here and talk about it. And like three weeks ago, I said to you, does this not have a name? What do we call this? So now that is. Many people ask me about that name. And I really don't know that I don't have a name for my move because my move is weird. I try to mix many things. For example, my finish. My finisher is a combination. So I try to find a new wrestling style and I make new things. So sometimes ask me about the name and say, I don't know, because I never see before. But now I know because I saw a video for Charlotte.

37:56but I didn't know. I really didn't know. But I don't know. I think it's a big difference. Yeah. Like I said, it's different. Yeah, yeah. It's different. Yeah, I think it's a big difference between Karen and I. It's not the same. It's not the same. No. Yeah. No. it's similar but no same so devil's kiss so that's it Stephanie we are at no contest wrestling with the double champ Stephanie Viqueira we are now officially letting Booker T know devil's kiss by way of Matt Bloom yeah the devil's kiss boom done official let's put it on a t-shirt Steph our next guest has been called many things she's a women's iron survivor winner.

38:54Yep. Women's breakout tournament winner. She did that. She was women's superstar of the year last year. Check. She is a former tag team champion. A two-time TJ. How many? Two-time. Oh. NXT women's champion. She is a lover of Chick-fil-A, a hater of Burger King, bringer of headaches, bringer of problems. But she's not all bad because she's handing out pop rocks all over the women's locker room. Ladies and gentlemen, the prodigy Roxanne Perez welcome to the pod hello thank you for the intro share with us what Booker T has meant to you what that relationship has meant to your career and you know your personal life so much uh yeah it's funny you say my personal life because I feel like Booker T has done so much for me not just as a wrestler but as a person as well I walked into school at 16 years old and he could have just not really taken me too serious but he did from the moment he saw me uh him and sharmel they took me under their wing and they were kind of like second parents to me in a way um and yeah booker t saw something in me that not a lot of people saw and at 17 18 years old i become his became his youngest reality of wrestling woman's champion in history so at 18 years old i was already making history but yeah booker t has been so awesome and it's really cool that uh I think it was a few months after I got signed to the WWE they signed him as an NXT commentator that was really awesome I think especially coming into WWE and feeling really nervous excited but nervous and then being able to have my mentor there with me made it the process so much easier now I heard on a pod you did I think you were speaking with Corey Graves that they there's a situation where you weren't necessarily ready for your entrance over at Reality Wrestling for those who don't know can you take us through that story yeah uh okay so I had a match against a woman named Rachel Rose and we are in the back and I was like uh can you you go check what match is on right now and she's like yeah sure she leaves and i'm i have one boot on and i'm lacing it and she runs in she's like your music's playing and i was like what you're kidding she's like no your music's playing i was like oh my god i was like tell them tell them that i'm not ready or i don't know so i'm like lacing on my boot freaking out and i just hear booker from down the hall what the hell and i was like i was like oh my god so i keep on lacing my boot and he walks and he's like what's going on he starts yelling i'm like crying i'm like i'm so sorry and i'm trying to go as fast as i can the girl i'm wrestling has to go out and cut a promo um he walks out of the room and i hear him down the hall this is what happens when you think you're over.

41:56I was like, but then we had a really, really good match. So I came to the back and he passed by me. He's like, you redeemed yourself, kid. Oh, nice. That must have been like... Yeah, way to kill it. I was like, okay. We get fired from reality wrestling. We obviously know the history of that backstabbing, but I know somebody who would never backstab you. What's going on with that pup behind you? Yeah, who's that? This is my dog. Oh, it's like Wyatt. What? This is my dog. Wyatt. Yeah, he's a golden. He's the best ever. What's up, Wyatt? What a chill dog. He's the chillest ever. Yeah, Wyatt. How old is he?

42:38He's one years old. Oh, okay. Tell us about that time when you got the call, so to speak, that you were going to be over. What was the feeling? What were you thinking at that point? i remember freaking out i was obviously i got told the day of uh yeah probably like a few hours before the show started and i was not expecting that one bit obviously it was everything that i ever worked for everything that i ever wanted it was my first singles title in the wwe and it was finally happening i remember getting out of the room and uh if sean's he's a sorry but he told me don't tell anybody and I ran to Cora Jade and I was like guess what's happening I was like don't tell anybody she was freaking out with me um I called my mom I was like you need to be watching tonight um yeah that was insane and I remember winning and literally just crying as soon as they handed me the title oh even the feeling I get right now like sitting there and then bringing them the title to me and seeing Booker T in the Iowa.

43:50It was just like, wow, every single thing that I've done to get here was so worth it. All those five-hour bus rides by myself on the Greyhound where I was scared for my life. The times where I didn't think that maybe it wouldn't happen. The times where I was so stressed out because it was just a waiting game of like okay I started really young I'm 13 years old now I'm 15 now I'm 16 I still can't get the opportunities because I'm not old enough but I see the people around me getting the opportunities and I just had to hold on to the fact that like okay one day it's gonna happen I know it's gonna happen and that solidified everything all the hard work was so worth it And I was just, you know, a 20-year-old kid from a small town called Laredo, Texas.

44:42So it's so possible. Ding-dong, hello to our fans at NCWP. We are here with Miss Grand Slam, what we call Mrs. NXT. Still the queen of the wacky inflatable arm flailing tube, man. Oh, my God. Bailey, welcome to the pod. Wow, that was a great introduction. Thank you. Ding-dong, hello. By the way, I have that T-shirt. I wear it on a regular basis. Thank you. Yes, ma 'am. Thank you. I need to bring a new one back. Yeah. You need to get a new one. You know, hello is hilarious. Yeah, thank you. We need to talk show back. Bring it back. As I said, we call you Mrs. NXT. She's not married, dog. I mean, but like, you're married to the gang.

45:18You're married to the gang. That's true. It's a good argument. Damn. Well, when you put it that way. Well, bro, I'm nice, bro. Let me just switch this. Wrong hand. It's been a while. So talk to us a little bit about the moment when Triple H spoke to you. and, of course, Sasha Banks. You guys became the first women to main event a pay-per-view in the club. Oh, man. Somebody just posted that recently online, so I just watched it probably like two weeks ago. And, like, man, we had no idea what we were there for, for one. We were literally sitting there, and he said he wanted to talk to us. So she was already up on the road, you know, Raw and SmackDown at that point.

45:56So it's just weird that he wanted her there after. Like, we were done, you know. We did Brooklyn. We were done. And once he told us the news, I mean, like, I feel like sometimes this gets looked over. But, like, we were the first women to main event a pay-per-view for WWE ever. Oh, it's not been overlooked. It's part of ACW. Yeah, like, and we've main evented so many times since then. But to be able to be the first and the first women to have an Iron Man match, you know, wrestling her is already a dream. Like wrestling her is like, I feel like every woman's wrestler's dream because she's just on a different level, has always been.

46:38But to be able to do that with her, make history and just Hunter making it like special. Like he made us feel special, you know, putting it on that show. I forget what it breaking ground, you know, calling us early to get there that day. It just making us feel like it was important and making us feel that we deserved it. That's another thing. I was just talking about the Rumble, like winning the Rumble last year. Nobody could ever take that from me. And that's another moment that nobody can take from me. Oh, impossible. Well, speaking of moments, this isn't the first time you and I met. There was a moment back in 2016.

47:11Hope I was nice. You're nice. Oh, no. I'll set up the scenario. It was Monday Night Raw at the Staples Center. Ashton Kutcher was a guest host on Monday Night Raw that day. Now, I met you in the parking lot of the Staples Center. I was talking to Enzo Amore, and I looked over, and you were standing by yourself. You hadn't debuted yet and I went over to you I went over to you and I was like so how's it feel and you were like what I was like to be next and You went well, I don't know about that and I was like, oh trust me. We know and we introduced ourselves I said man told me your name is Pamela TJ.

47:44I said cannot wait and Like I said nothing that you would remember but I've always remember I feel like I remember that nobody really asked that question You know, like, how does it feel to be next? That was me in the Staples Center. Yes. And now that my prediction has come to fruition after all this time, like just looking back at your career from that girl who was standing in the corner by herself because you hadn't been called up yet to now. Like, is this like mind blowing to you how far you've come? Yeah. Now that would be almost nine years ago. Yeah, it is still pretty crazy. I think about it all the time.

48:22I just started my 12th year here, January. Nice. I didn't even think I was going to last like 12 days or 12 weeks when I first got signed. So there is a level of me that I'm always striving to be the best. I want to get to the top. I want to be on the posters. I want to be on the media. I want to do all this stuff. I want to be the girl, you know. But there's also a big side of me that's like, man, I'm so grateful for like how far I've come. because, you know, that little girl in 2016 may have never made it if she felt like she wasn't good enough or, like, didn't listen to people like you and be like, damn, man, maybe I am next.

48:59It's getting crazy down here. Yeah, I don't know. I am very grateful for my journey, but I definitely worked for it and definitely had to put up with a lot of crap and definitely had to just look. I always say I got to look at the bigger picture. You know, it's a freaking roller coaster in this business and in life, you know, so you always got to keep pushing through no matter what's going on. Going home as champion of the world. What does that feel like when you lay your head on the pillow? The NXT one? The NXT one, the SmackDown. Also, your mania moment, just going home as champion, top of the mountain of whatever brand it is.

49:38it sometimes I'm so numb and so like stressed and so I don't know it and it doesn't hit me to literally like later or till people I meet people and they tell me what that moment meant to them I'm like oh man I made it I made an impact there you know but one of the moments I do remember was uh money in the bank when I won money in the bank and cashed in in the same night like when I was told what everything like that I was doing that and I'm like this is crazy but all right cool like i can do it it was one of those things where like it's so busy when you get to the back and then i got to my hotel room and i was just looking at the title and i was like holy shit like sorry holy no you're good holy crap that happened so fast and i just started bawling and i was just by myself in my hotel that's never happened to me before i normally ball as soon as i win the title you know if you saw brooklyn um and it just like everything came out and it was just oh man this is winning money in the bank is also one thing, like winning the Rumble, that not everybody gets to do.

50:37So having a night like I did that night hit me hard. And I'm sure the Mania one hasn't really even hit me yet. The Rumble one kind of has. You know, it's just weird because life moves so fast. It's hard to look, you know, say in it. You're winning as much as she wins. That's very true. You're like Grand Rams. Like, what is wrong, bro? It's like asking what was your favorite breath that you took during it. Now, a question that we ask everybody on NCW. It's our funnest question. You're in a situation where you're out with the girls. Chilling. Getting mimosas. Hell yeah. Mind your own business. Yeah.

51:16There's 50 chicks there that don't want y 'all in there. I need you to pick a team. They're hating. They ain't huggers. I need you to pick a team of you and four other women superstars to make sure you get into the car. Oh. They're still mad about the inflatable people thing. Okay. Yeah. She's definitely murdered them. Yeah, definitely sliced and diced, you know? Swing, swing, swing, chop, chop. First one's going to have to be Naomi because she's got my back no matter what. Second time Naomi's been wrong. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, no.

51:46You know what? People will be surprised, but I'm going to have to go with Naya. I'll go with Bianca. Solid. And there's a chick. She's brand new. Okay. NXT. She's on the new show they have and I feel bad that I don't know what it's called right now. I'm so sorry, Mickie James and Undertaker. But her real name is Bailey. Bailey Humphrey. First of all, she's got to change her name. That's the first thing that happens. Right, we're going to talk about that. But let me tell you something. If you haven't seen Bailey Humphrey, like holy cow. She's going to KMD. She's going to cause much damage. Honestly, I can get in there with just Naomi and Bailey Humphrey.

52:25You know, like that's how insane she is. Yeah. That's a solid team. Yeah, there we go. As we know, you are a big wrestling fan, great superstar. But I need to know, during your fandom, when was the time that wrestling broke your heart? Ooh. Oh. It's a real life. It's like part real life, but they put it on TV so I could talk about it. When freaking Lita and Edge kissed. Oh, my God. I was so sad. How can you do that to me, dude? Like, oh, man, the Hardee's and Lita were my that's my that's my thing. You know, that's what made me feel like I could do this. And then she just turned her back on. Oh, damn.

53:08That's a real life one. And I hope that's OK. Our next guest is one of the best in the business. Before there were the conspiracy TikToks of Shiloh Hill, this master of criminology was writing letters to the FBI at 10 years old. He would then go on to become a Royal Rumble winner, Money in the Bank winner, an NXT champion, a two-time tag team champion, an intercontinental champion, world heavyweight champion, and a two-time WWE champion, the never-duplicated, underappreciated Drew McIntyre. Welcome to the pod. What an intro. A perfect, perfect intro. Underappreciated Drew McIntyre. the degree in criminology because i feel like i'm constantly constantly defending myself pointing out the obvious in wwe yeah everybody just doesn't see the truth even though i present it to them 21 years old right you get signed to wwe now we know you i was watching tv that day when that's what man called you out and anointed you the chosen one but before that there was an original gimmick that they had for you do you remember what that was there's a couple but um i think this one is a guy who is on the side of a camera taking having pictures taken of himself yeah yeah that's the one i assumed it was the runway yeah the runway man i remember it pitched to me uh john loranitis was head of town relations at the time and telling me you know what florida Championship Wrestling, which was there prior to NXT we know today, the Reginald Developmental, and he built it up.

54:49He built it up. I was listening to him describe the character and thought, oh no, oh no, oh no. And then he went, and the name, The Runway Man. You're going to have your own model runway and you're going to walk down like a model. You're like, oh my goodness. I was picturing in my head basically all my dreams were going to hell. The life's work the Scotsman signs were Scotsman. It was all going down the toilet. The next meeting after Johnny was to go to Vince himself and pitched this idea and I kind of sat silent and Johnny pitched it to Vince and I think Vince saw my face the whole time and he just said what do you think and I thought whatever you need me to do I'll make it work but I had my head down the whole time and I think he read me like he doesn't want to do this and thankfully they let me play closer to myself but I learned years later it was nowhere close to myself because it took me till I returned to WWE after getting fired which we'll probably talk about before I finally found myself as a wrestler and as a human.

55:43So you ended up, you lost 35 pounds. You were watching YouTube videos, learning how to do a model work, right? Yeah, I got, I looked like an anatomy chart. Shane Helms at the Hurricane described me as an avatar. I used to have the ponytail at the time and the avatar was the big movie. If you painted me blue, I would have just looked like a giant avatar. So much weight. and yeah it turns out I didn't need to lose all that weight because I was coming in as an arse kicking chosen one when I thought I was going to be this runway man I was practicing walking the imaginary runway backstage and I was oh my god I've got two left feet this is going to absolutely bomb get up a disaster I wonder what I'd be doing in Scotland right now if I was a runway man because I would not have succeeded in WWE.

56:25Criminology you'd been doing some. Yeah right you're all CSI. Yes now I'm profiling all these idiots that I work with now. On the very first ever live episode of No Contest Wrestling Podcast, keep those claps going, make some noise for the NXT North American champion, Ricky Sais is in the house, everybody. Let's go. This is the revolution. What a guy.

56:56Yeah, there he is. Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.

57:06Ricky St. NXT. North America. Yes, sir. Champion. You're real nice on the mic. You talk a lot of trash, right? So my question is, that didn't just start. That's a skill that's been developed over years and years. So I want to know, what was Little Ricky like growing up, man? Oh, God. Little Ricky was talking trash to people who were way older than me, getting in the fights that I shouldn't have been getting into, starting to mess with people because I thought it was fun. I grew up a lot around, I hung out with a lot of older people. Like, my mom would take me to house parties that she would go to, and they're playing cards and dominoes, and I would sit there and I would have conversations with them.

57:54And so, I just learned to talk trash with them. basically. And then as I got older, especially different schools that I went to, I had to figure out a way to protect myself, but also to, listen, I just, I love pissing people off. I find it to be, I find it, I find it to be so fun. I'm, I'm, I'm really a troll in real life and it's fun to do. I love it. And that's where that all comes from. It's just the practice of it. It's the practice of making somebody so mad that they, you know, start stuttering and going crazy. So you made your way here to NXT, and I was asking you in the back just about your feelings, and I said to you, are you happy?

58:43Yeah. So you want to let them know? Are you happy? Absolutely, I'm happy. I don't think we take a, I don't think as people we take the time out to really say it out loud, like, oh, I am happy, you know, for once in my life. we have people ask us like, hey, are you okay? Are you good? And you kind of do the little BS like, yeah, I'm fine. But there's never a moment where someone asks you legitimately, hey, are you currently happy in this phase of your life? And for me, that is a big thing right now. Like, wow, I am genuinely happy. And it is a very, it's a great thing to, it's a great place to be at, obviously, but it feels so good because I have an abundance of happiness to share with other people right so that's awesome yeah i think i think it's worth it to anyone really to find what makes you happy and sometimes i don't know what it is it just finds me but yeah definitely that conversation really was like yeah i am happy actually at this weekend i was incredibly happy i like to ask some the questions that you don't always get that's right because this is the stuff that they want to know yeah y 'all all hear the same thing who's your favorite wrestler who do what's your favorite dream opponent blah blah blah but yeah they want to know what's a good match but they never ask you how good are you you know don't get it twisted we are going to ask you for sure oh yeah i get that for sure you know now something that you know it's it just seems like a good segue because you know we're talking he said favorites and things like that here at ncw we like to get the perspective from these superstars from their, you know, their days as a fan.

1:00:26And for a lot of kids out there, Paul Heyman turning on Roman and Punk, that's going to break their heart. Yes. Cody losing last night. I'm heartbroken. You could tell. But Cody losing to John Cena is going to be a moment. What was a moment as a fan? Well, you're burying it. the john cena hill turn is i mean that's another one too what was a moment as a fan where wrestling broke your heart when triple h beat cactus jack at no way out in 2000. okay no one ever says that one that one they don't because the next night on raw they they show this video package of of mcfoley's career to the song of uh sarah mclaughlin's i will remember you and i will I will remember you.

1:01:17Yeah, now they use it for like dog commercials. Yeah. I remember running my bath water and crying and being like, man. You went and took a bath and got your feelings? Yes. Oh, man. McLaughlin will do that to you. I'm a Miss Cactus Jack. The worst part was I watched this all on scrambled pay-per-view. We just lost the illegal black box that we had. So I was watching pay-per-views for pretty much free. all the time and then this one pay-per-view they caught us and so i had to watch it scrambled and then the next day my friends gave me a vhs to watch it you know fully but by then i already knew what was up and yeah it was it was it was heartbreaking on a lot of levels you're out at a bar chilling there's 50 dudes in there that don't want you in that bar they're hating i need you to pick a team of you and four other superstars to make sure you're making it to the car.

1:02:18And they can be of any era, of any time. Okay. Haku makes sense. He's every time. He's like the leading book in this. Godfather. Nice. Steve Blackman. Yo, Lethal Weapon. And And I'm trying to think on this one. I need a good last one, right? Yeah, I would say The Undertaker. That's a solid one. BSK crew, baby. For our next guest, he is your NXT champion. The ruler. The ruler over family.

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1:04:05Talk to us a little bit about John Cena, you know, just what he means to the business, if there's anything, if you've ever met him. And yeah, speak on the man with the 17 belts. Mr. Hustle, Loyalty and Respect. He's very synonymous with those three words, but I think one big word is missing. Consistency. Boo him, chair him, rain, sun, hell freezing over. John was always there. John always did his thing. So big respect to John. Funny you bring him up because I just had a very incredible full circle moment with John back there because two years ago before the North American Championship reign, before the NXT Championship reign, before I was even on television, he came to the PC and he watched me wrestle one of the Dark State boys, the Dion Lennox.

1:05:04So we had a PC live match. These matches we organized at the PC to, you know, just for the coaches to see where everybody's at. John happened to be there and he watched, he watched my match. He called me and Dion to the back. He talked to us for about, you know, 40 minutes. He gave us all his insights and, you know, everything he knew and he could possibly remember to tell us he told us and i just saw john back there two years later uh longest winning north american champion nxt championship you know all that and it was he saw me and he said congratulations and we we shared a moment there and that was that was awesome can you share do you remember any like the little things nuances he did share with you back then he taught he he taught me to always fight for what I believe in.

1:05:52He also said, pick your battles wisely because some people here fight for what you believe in and they feel like they can fight everybody for what they believe in. He kind of guided me to understand what battles are worth fighting for. He understands there's always going to be a gap between talent and office. And he's a genius because he knows how to navigate those waters and those terrains perfectly to strike that balance between being one of the boys and doing what the office wants you to do so he shared that knowledge with me and it's been very helpful that's what's up you know the situation 50 dudes in a bar they don't want you in there and i need you and a team of four other superstars to make sure the ruler ruler makes it to the car who's on your team so So is this NXT or overall?

1:06:46What y 'all want, overall or just NXT? Across the ball. The people have spoken. You said all time? Okay. All time. So let's get the obvious one out of the way. Thou who shall not be named, the Lesnar. He's definitely my number one. I love that for us. Fit Finley in his prime. Yeah. I've heard stories. about Finley back. I've been caught. He's old now, and even in his old age, he's still the man.

1:07:25Randy in his prime would be a good one. Brock? Randy. Randy Orton in his prime. How many guys? Five guys? Yeah, you need one more. One more, one more, one more. As you know, managing maintenance, repair, and operations is never easy. But for the ones who always rise to the challenge, Granger has your back. From professional-grade products you can count on to fast, dependable delivery, they're there to help you keep things running smoothly. Plus, their technical product specialists are here to help answer your toughest questions. And because Granger knows safety is always a priority, they're committed to being your partner in protecting both your people and your facilities.

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1:08:43I'm not the biggest Williams fan. I'm not a fan of the whole sports entertainer, flashy, sunglasses inside type of... No shit. No shit. No shit. That's crazy. But I'm not a Trick Williams fan, but he has definitely earned my respect. I've done so many dances with that man on the big stage, even in classes with Terry Taylor. Me and Trick have gone the whole way. So, Trey Williams is another one I would want behind my back. Her name might be Tiffany, but she's not handing out black and blue boxes. She's handing out black and blue eyes. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Tiffany Stratton. Y 'all know what time it is.

1:09:27To the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. Hello. That's actually a really cool little slogan. I think I might steal that. You got it. We're not handing out black and blue boxes. We're handing out black and blue eyes. That's right. That's right. That's awesome. You are part of my favorite women's money in the bank match ever. All right. That, like, man, it was such a banger. But in that match, you and Naomi are in the ring. You do a cartwheel into an Alabama slam. And I heard you say that that is a move that you never want to take. What other moves out there do you dread taking? oh um uh that's a really good question there's not a lot of moves that i like taking um oof i think power bombs can be really crappy to take because sometimes people will yank you down sometimes people will just let you float down um power bombs um naya jocksas finisher Jade recently started doing she calls it the eye of the storm the thunder bomb I think it's like a similar to a thunder bomb and you like spin around and she power bombs you and like I have to hold my head up just because the whiplash and like the momentum coming down so that's pretty crappy to take um but yeah any sort of like power bomb you're in a you're in a bar you're on a beach enjoying mimosas the good life everything's going well as the champion should as the championship there's 50 ladies in this venue that don't like that you're there no they ain't down with tiffy time yeah they're not wearing their watches they don't know it's tiffy time so i need you to pick Pick a team of you and four other superstars to make sure that the champ is getting to the car.

1:11:38All right. That's a really good question. And Tiff, these don't have to be ladies from this could be from any era you want. Okay. So first I'm going to pick Nia Jax. That makes sense. Yeah, she picked you. Nia Jax, Bianca Belair. I don't know why. I feel like she can fight. I know Nia Jax can fight. Bianca. Probably Mitchin. I feel like she can fight too. She's quite hardcore. She loves her kendo sticks. So she might bring a kendo stick along with her. Who else? Rhea Ripley. For obvious reasons. I mean, she looks scary in the best way possible. and that's it that's who you go that's you Naya, Bianca, Mee Chin and Rhea that's a heck of a bar fight crew solid team because you know Mee Chin is out there will be out there giving the long back attack smacking people with the kendo stick and Naya just be clearing out half the bar and Bianca be wilding out you might not even have to fight Tiff you might just be able to sit there and keep sipping on whatever you're sipping on that's what I'm saying I think that's the perfect group that was my plan I don't fight it hold on I'm not gonna let this slide man because we had Nia Jax on and Nia Jax said listen you guys get a different version of Tiffany when you guys watch her all right she's got some fire behind those eyes so I'm not trying to hear all that I'm not here to fight nonsense she said that yeah absolutely yeah I do have a little bit of a fighter side to me.

1:13:25But it takes a lot for me to get there. So I'm not going to want to have to get there. And that's why I picked this group. Today, TJ, we might as well be crocking in tubs because we don't buy a unit today, bro. We don't buy a unit today. Our next guest is a black belt in Taekwondo, if I'm not mistaken. The daughter of a grandmaster playing a simple... She kick ass, TJ. She kick ass. I see. All right. She was a former winner of the NXT Breakout Superstar Tournament and is currently the number one contender for the NXT women's title. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Lola Vice to the pop. Hi. Hola, thank you for having me.

1:14:06Welcome to Vice City. Are you kidding? Can you talk to us a little bit, us mere mortals, of what it's like to be in a ladder match or any of those matches that are just like weapon bound? Okay. Let me tell you something. And that was the only match I said I would never want to do in the WWE was a ladder match. So, of course, Lola wants to be on stand to deliver. And I qualify for the ladder match for the North American Championship. I don't know why I did that to myself, but I was like, I'm going to have to figure this out. I'm a grounded fighter. I don't like heights. The first time I climbed up the thing, I was trembling.

1:14:46You have no idea. I was so nervous and so scared for this match. and those ladders hurt more than the cage i'm not gonna lie to you somehow in the moment you have adrenaline you really want that title you climb up there as fast as you can but oh and it's and it feels way worse in the arena than like like i found a ladder at the pc and i set it up which i was terrible at setting it up too whatever so i'm trying to set it up i was like okay i could do this this isn't that bad then you get to the arena you're like oh my god why do i do this to myself so this was the first time that lola vice and tj we kind of had an interaction if we could play that right now lola please be okay

1:15:36that was so winning the title and i was just amazed that the fact that you even heard me and then you rolled over to like respond like it's crazy you remember that are you okay i'm not okay you're like i'm not okay and my reaction the only thing i could be was like oh no

1:15:59i actually remember that happening i was laughing like inside i was like oh my god this is so funny and then we have and i was also like admiring so like being up there i was so happy for her yeah that was a great moment i didn't want to get you in trouble or anything but i had to check to You were right there. I had to see that you were okay. I really appreciate you checking on me. Trust me. I really do. I'm a man of the people. My back was killing me. Before you made that move, you were pretty famous for something else. Let's talk about that famous knockout in Bellator 243. When you put telegraph night and then followed by that celebration.

1:16:37I'm a very petty person. right like yeah so my problem in MMA was that they were stereotyping me that I can't like do TikToks and like be a professional fighter I've been fighting since I was three years old right so it's like I just I'm a woman that that does both like it's just something I enjoy I've always loved dancing like I like those things so when the woman at MMA would just underestimate me because I was feminine, it would piss me off. So that fight actually was during COVID. Like, all sports were off, and it was, Bellator was one of the only ones that were actually, like, doing a show.

1:17:16And it was in Mohegan Sun in Connecticut, the whole situation. And I wanted nothing more but to knock out this woman so bad, right? But in that moment, like, it wasn't even plans. Like, I knocked her out. I finished the fight. and just to be petty, I decided to dance on top of her. But it wasn't something I planned. It just came out naturally because I was so pissed off. Like I had screams, I'm going to keep doing my TikToks. She's unconscious on the floor. I'm a little crazy and everyone in the PC says it. And I don't know why, but I think now I'm starting to... I think I've had a little damage done to me.

1:17:58You know what I mean? And that wasn't a quick dance. You put it on for like a minute. No, I did a whole show. I did a whole performance. Crazy. Coming to the stage. He is a multiple time WWE World Heavyweight Champion. Yes, sir. A multiple time Tag Team Champion. The man has done everything. He's a Hall of Famer. Yes. Royal Rumble winner. The man lost an eye. Lost his eye. They came back. He lost his eye. Got it back. 2020 vision, 2040. Who's that jumping out the sky? R-E-Y. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for Ray Mysterio!

1:18:48Put your hands together for the great Ray Mysterio! Let's go!

1:19:04I always say, being a junior myself, that the heaviest two letters in the alphabet are J and R when they're next to each other, all right? You take on a lot. Now, I know that was your uncle and, you know, things like that. But when you finally decided, I'm going now as Rey Mysterio Jr., kind of take me through that process and that mindset. So, for me, it was like I knew from the moment that I saw wrestling for the first time, that's what I wanted to do. I grew up watching my uncle go into wrestling school with my uncle. He would let me go in the ring and roll around. I'm talking five, six years old.

1:19:46And then watching him wrestle every Friday night in Tijuana. Coming back home with him. Unpacking his gear. Laying out his mask, his boots. And that to me was like really cool. Like I knew I wanted to do that from the moment I fell in love. And I started training and at the age of 15. I was 14 going into 15. I got my first opportunity. And I've always wanted to be the junior. Like, that was something. I didn't know how much pressure it was going to take. Yeah. But that's what I wanted to do. And at the time, I'm talking late 80s, the juniors and the son of the certain wrestlers were very popular at that time.

1:20:36Hijo del Santo, Blue Demon Jr., Rayo de Jalisco Jr. So I wanted to follow in that path. But my first wrestling name, unfortunately, was the Green Lizard. Yes. But when my uncle decided to put the name or to add me as one of the family members as Ray Mysterio Jr., that was two and a half years into my professional career. and I was completely honored. Again, I had no idea the pressure and the hard work that came behind it, but I knew I was ready. I felt it deep down in my heart that I was good to go. That's what's up. Ray, who would have been a bigger star in wrestling? The Green Lizard or the Hummingbird?

1:21:31Personally, I think the Hummingbird. So for those who don't know, those were some of the names you wrestled under. Yes. So the Green Lizard was a one-time thing. And then after that, my uncle at the time was very good at giving names to up-and-coming wrestlers. He would design the masks, the outfits, and he would say, you know what? We're going to call you this. So for me, it was the hummingbird. In Spanish, colibri. And he said, you're going to use pastel colors. You know, the turquoise, the light yellows, the whites. and that was kind of like my identity for almost two and a half years and at the time I was very comfortable with that I was like cool I'll roll with that I mean I didn't tell him but I was thinking in my head I really wanted to be Ray Mysterio Jr.

1:22:22or the son of Ray Mysterio but if if hummingbird it is then I'll roll with it and I got so comfortable with that name that when he surprised me and walked in the ring in one of my matches prior to the match starting he came out i was like what's he doing out here he grabbed the mic he made the announcement you know you guys know that uh uh colibri is my nephew but from this moment on he will now be ray mysterio jr and i was like whoa and he had no idea no idea no idea he had a mask already made for me with the design that he would use, and we kind of took off the Colibri mask without showing my face, put on the Rey Mysterio Jr.

1:23:07mask, and from that moment on, I became Rey Mysterio Jr. Dom was on our podcast a few months ago, and, you know, he had some interesting things to say about his upbringing and how tough. Dom had a very tough life in San Diego, apparently. It was rough, bro. We know this because he told us how hard his life was, So I just want to let you, Ray, you guys can hear it. Ray, Dom had some things to say about how hard he had it growing up. Growing up in the hard streets of San Diego. It's no joke down there, Dom. It's no joke, man. Where I had to, I asked for a Mercedes, got a BMW. Just, you know, rough, rough.

1:23:53I had to, I didn't even, I had my own room, but across was my sister. So I didn't even get my own upstairs space. It was hard. That's insane. I had to do my own laundry, which is crazy. I didn't even get paid for it either. This is insane. Which I'm pretty sure is illegal. It's child labor. And to make matters even worse, when I did do stuff here in WWE for SummerSlam, and I ended up getting paid for that, I never knew where the money went. So, Ray, no. My God. I mean, I got to admit, that last part he said is true. Oh, my. You heard it. You heard it here first. The money. Dom is a survivor. I don't understand how, look, he wanted a Benzo.

1:24:39You got him a Beamer. He didn't have his own wing in the house. Aaliyah was across the hall from him. He had to wash his own drawers. And didn't get paid. And he didn't get paid. Ray, I don't want to call you a monster or anything, but I'm surprised the kid lived, to be honest with you, because I wouldn't have made it personally. All he needed to say is that he cooked his own food. Because, God damn, is he lying. Man. So you're saying that's not true? You're saying that Dom lied? Out of everything he said, the only thing that's true is that he did work at SummerSlam and prior leading into that pay-per-view.

1:25:18And he didn't see a single dime. Yeah. Where'd the money go? I don't know, Dom. Where did it go? So maybe that was a payment for the BMW that he got. Our next guest, TJ, for the No Contest Wrestling Podcast, he is a two-time Money in the Bank winner, a two-time Grand Slam champion, 25th Triple Crown champion in the history of the company, a nine-time tag team champion, two-time United States, eight-time Intercontinental, and two-time WWE champion. He's from Cleveland, 20-plus year vet, had some time in Los Angeles, but we're not talking about LeBron James. Talking about The Miz, man. That's what I'm talking about.

1:25:56Thank you very much. Welcome to The Miz to the show. It's good to be on the number one wrestling podcast. I'm trying to tell you. It's good to have you, man. It's good to have you, man. You know, take us through that first night laying your head on the pillow as champion of the world. I'm going to go before that, okay? Yeah. So before that, I have money in the bank. Everyone is talking about how I'm going to be the first ever to cash in the money in the bank and lose. because up until then, no one's cashed in and lost yet. Everyone's like, the Miz will be the guy. He'll be the one guy that does it.

1:26:29So I get to Orlando that day, and I kind of find out, you're going to cash in today and win. Now, I wanted it to keep a secret, like obviously, but I remember I did something on the show before this because it was the, I believe it was the main event, and it was Randy Orton versus the entire Nexus team. He was going up against all the characters of Nexus, the superstars. And I was going to go in. He was going to get injured, cash in, go after the leg. And by the way, previous to this, we were having promo classes. And during that promo classes with Vince McMahon, that day he wanted us to get our inner animal out.

1:27:14So we'd had to cut promos like dogs. I watched Sheamus and Wade Barrett cut a promo as dogs. Roof, roof, roof, roof. You all know fours? Roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof, roof. And I'm telling you, like, that was promo class that day. But honestly, when I got in that match, and if you watch that match back, you can see, like, I am literally channeling an inner animal. I am seeing the injury. And when an animal sees an injury, that's your target. That's where you go. When a shark smells blood in the water, they target that, right? So that's what my mindset was. So it helped. That promo class helped me get into that, lock into that mode, right?

1:27:52So I go after Randy Orton. I hit the Skull Crush finale. I pin him one, two, three. And so many emotions. Like, you don't understand what happens in that instance. Because everything slows down but speeds way back up, right? So everything slows down where I hear one, two, three. I'm so excited because I know I have to celebrate because I'm so conditioned. When you win, you celebrate bigger because then everyone can see. The last people up there can see. But emotionally and inside, I'm going, oh my God, oh my God, it actually happened. It actually happened. Yes, yes. And then all of a sudden you feel the kind of almost everything you've been through.

1:28:35Getting kicked out of the locker room. Every day going to Deep South Wrestling and telling myself, one more day you can do it. One more day. This is so tough. this is the toughest thing I've ever had to endure. Like my body aches. My mind is going every which way because I feel like I should be somewhere, but I'm not where I want to be. And I have to keep trying, keep struggling. And then you get to WWE. You get kicked out of the locker room. Nobody likes you. Everyone's telling you you're going to get kicked out and you're going to get fired within three months. All these things are going in my head in that moment.

1:29:09And this is within three seconds. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then all of a sudden I get up on the second rope and I feel myself being like, yeah, and seeing the crowd kind of react in both awe, cheering, and booing. Yeah. Like seeing, and then like being up there and seeing the audience, I almost was in tears, but then I'm sitting there thinking, you can't cry right now. Not right now. You're the WWE champion. Like you see the Austin crying. You see the Rock crying. You know, no, you want to be that guy. So you're like, yes, I am the guy. but you also feel an immense amount of pressure because you know what comes with a WWE championship.

1:29:50You are now the face of the company. You are what everybody is set out to be and do. And it's in November. And so I know WrestleMania is coming up and am I gonna keep this title for that long? So you're going through all these emotions. So then I get backstage and people are clapping backstage, shaking my hands. I went up to Vince. I told him, I won't let you down. You made the right decision. Because nobody really knows this, but Vince was on me. From whenever I lost to John Cena at the Great American Bash, and I just got mopped the floor with, Vince was on me. You need to start taking, be serious.

1:30:32You can't be such a goof. You're too goofy. Goofy doesn't sell. I want you to put asses in seats. Yeah. And so I'm like, yes, sir. So after every match, he would literally just be like, you need to do this better. You need to do this better. You need to do this better. I've seen him do it with many talent. But then he was taking an interest in me. And I was like, and I was a sponge. And not only did I have him, but I had Randy Orton to work with live events. I had John Cena to work with live events. I had Shawn Michaels take me back and literally saying, Mike, this is what you need to be doing.

1:31:06Hunter would take me aside and he would show me how to punch because he didn't like my punches. Like all these veterans now were taking me aside and doing that. And so as I was getting uplifted, winning the United States championship, winning the tag team titles, winning money in the bank, I was learning stuff and learning and learning. So then all that came to there. So that night, everyone claps. Everyone shakes my hand. You know, where do you go? Do you go celebrate? I mean, right? Like it's we're in Orlando. Let's go to a club. Man, I went to Denny's. Yeah. We went to Denny's and had a barbecue chicken skillet.

1:31:42Yeah, a championship. With my soon-to-be wife, Reese. So that's how we celebrated my WWE championship. We went to Denny's on a date, and we went back, and we were exhausted. We went to sleep, flew the next day to L.A., and started my journey on literally doing everything and anything I possibly could to be the best WWE champion I could be. We got to ask you our number one question. All right. You're in a bar. Yes. There's 50 dudes in that bar, and they can't stand The Miz. They're haters. Haters. I've had this happen, actually. I need you to pick a team of you and four other superstars to make sure The Miz is getting in the car.

1:32:21Well, the Usos are number one and two. All right. Because it's happened. All right. Shout out to The Usos. And I'll never forget. Guy just, like, literally we were just hanging out. What city were we at? I don't remember, man. And we were after like a Monday Night Raw or Friday Night Smackdown, we were kind of eating. And a dude just goes, hey, Miss from Real World, blah, blah, blah. And let me tell you something. The Usos don't play. Okay? The Usos don't play. So they've always had my back ever since day one and to this day. So I will always take the Usos. And honestly, I'll take any Samoan. Any Samoan.

1:32:58I'm telling you, they are the toughest. Umaga. Yes. Give me Umaga all day, every day. And I'll take Jacob, too. Oh, yeah. Why wouldn't you? It's a solid team. So is that my, is that? Yeah, that's it. So Usos, Umaga, and Jacob. Yeah, I'm taking all Samoans all day long because they just have that. And by the way, in the ring, if you're in the ring with a Samoan, and I know a lot of people won't understand this, Samoans are just so smooth and so good. There's a reason why Jimmy and Jay are at the top of where they're at, where they become as a tag team. And the reason they're there is because of how good they truly are.

1:33:35And I think Jacob, the world is his oyster. I think he has all the talent to become whatever he wants to be in this business. Because I watch and I see the little intricacies, the little things, the connection with the audience that they all have. I mean, you watch Jay come out there, the entire arena is erupting. And they feel that energy that they have. and I think Jacob has that same energy when he's in the ring. I want to see what he's going to do next. So I really can't wait to see what they'll be able to do. Seth Rollins did an incredible job guest hosting the Rich Eyes and so you can look out for all of those YouTube clips.

1:34:13But he also at one point right off the bat, he explained to us what happened to his knee. I'm sitting down. I look great. I can see myself on the monitor right here. I look great. I'm not going to lie. But underneath this monitor, I do have a leg brace on. Over in the corner are my crutches. Uh, this past Saturday, I was in a match on, uh, Saturday night's main event, which we, uh, special on NBC on Peacock. I was in a match with LA night and I hurt my knee. Uh, I was doing a move that I do all the time. It's a moonsault, a backflip. Um, in this particular instance, I was landing, not on my belly, but I was landing on my feet when I landed.

1:34:50Um, I felt my knee kind of pop and buckle them. You know, we, we got out of the match and we moved forward. um monday i was in birmingham alabama where our specialists are at we try to take a look at the knee uh through some imaging it was a little too swollen so we're going to take another look hopefully in a week or two here in la um to try to get something some sort of firm diagnosis and then we can go from there uh i am not a doctor i only know my body and what i feel and what i feel is that this is going to be me out for an extended period of time first off just on on a human level like mentally how are you because you're on a roll right now in your business and then for this to happen to you man like are you okay yeah i mean look there's no good time to get injured you know there's no like oh this is the best time of year for this to happen or you know you're not being used very much so you know you can take a break um but this is not my first rodeo you know i had a very serious knee injury same knee actually back in 2015 I was in a much different state of mind at that point in my career where I was still feeling like I needed to work work work to get to the top now I'm sort of at the top um I've had I've had I've had multiple injuries over the years so I know what it feels like to take a step back but also I have the confidence in our roster and in our team that they're going to be able to move things forward in a way that's entertaining.

1:36:21Like, I don't want to say they don't need me, but like, we're good. We're in a good place right now. And when I come back, I'll be better than ever. You know, someone who maybe, let me spit that out, right, pause, was a little more upset than you. You know who that was? That might have been. That pause was great. That might have been the host of the Rich Eisen show. Rich Eisen, because, you know, Rich isn't into the wrestling like we are, right? rich don't understand so you can understand that rich was a little bit confused after getting a phone call saying yes that's her he's still coming to host the show yeah and then what happened so we had seth rollins zoom into the rich eyes and show this afternoon this is exclusive baby we got this before raw oh and uh seth had some stuff to say i wish i could be there so you guys could touch this you guys played an integral role role in this uh in this uh i think they're calling it the ruse of the century you were limping around like you were limping around here i'll tell you what i'm saying you're limping i i'll tell you what limping around on those crutches for three weeks was excruciating that was painful because not only did i go and do your show for a few days I went to the gym on the crutches.

1:37:38I took my daughter down to Manhattan Beach for some ice cream on the crutches. I dropped her off at preschool on the crutches. I went to a nice steak dinner with my wife and Bianca Belair and Montez Ford with crutches. I did it all on crutches. And I'm telling you, it was excruciating. The crutches alone were painful. I thought I was going to get a shoulder injury, a real one. As someone who sat here and believed in the ruse, who got up and walked your crutches to you when I thought you were hurt. You walked his crutches, Sue? I got up and made sure he didn't have. You made him walk his crutches to you?

1:38:13He didn't make me. I felt I was obligated because the knee was hurt. I felt like his crutches were a distance from him. So after each show, I went and grabbed his crutches. All of the folks out there who played a small role, the TJs who handed me the crutches and those who opened doors and held open doors. and made the lady who pushed me in the wheelchair at the airport to everybody who played a small role in this wonderful endeavor. Your additions are appreciated. Thank you. From the world champion, from me to you, thank you. Guys, we did it. This is for the people, not just me. We did it. For the people.

1:38:54And no matter how bad I feel, I mean, it can't be anything compared to CM Punk. So I got it. You know what I'm saying? I got it. Hey, karma's a B-word, man. Karma's a B-word. I'm back to get you. We were in New York, the Rich Eisen Show, last week. We did our show from the ESPN studios in New York, which that in itself was kind of mind-blowing. But we had Gunther. He came on to the show, which was amazing. And he basically, like you said, he told us what was going to happen. And there you go. You can watch it for yourself. See, his career is being put to bed regardless, right? That is one way to look at it.

1:39:32On no contest wrestling, we put it like that. Put to bed in a way that maybe Cena doesn't want it put to bed or fans might want to see it put to bed. Am I correct, Gunther? Let's compare it to a book. The last chapter will be written on Saturday. It's just a question. Is it going to be a happy end or is it going to be a heartbreak? Exactly. And I'm going to do everything in my power that it's going to be a heartbreak. Are you ready to become the most hated man in the world of sports and entertainment if you get that three count Saturday night? Yes. In fact, he has been pinned many times before.

1:40:09I mean, he's a wrestler for, I don't know how long is his career, 25? 25. Yes. So that's normal, but he hasn't been submitted in a very, very long time. I think Kurt Angle submitted him in 2008, I believe, so it's been a while. So is that something that you're looking to do? His motto was never give up, right? And you did a promo last week, and you mentioned something about giving up. So is that what you're looking for? Are you going to do away with the powerbomb? Are you looking to choke John Cena? Are you looking to make John Cena say, I quit in his last night? I'm looking for him to give up, to admit he can't go no more.

1:40:47That's what I'm going to go for. And I think that's what the drama is as well in that match. Walk me through exactly how you see that moment happening. On Saturday night, if you could choose it. Exactly. Yeah. Well, I'm not a, I don't have that much fantasy. I'm just going to see myself wrap my arms around his neck and pull really hard. And then I'm just going to look down. I'm going to see his hand. One, two, three. I mean, he might, what's the saying? I'll tell you something, but I won't tell you a lie. What's that saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I might, I don't know, something wild. I might tell you a story, but we'll tell you a lie.

1:41:22He basically told us what he was going to do to John Cena during that interview. And as you can see here, this was just the beginning of the end. She's a two-time women's tag team champion. A two-time WWE women's champion. The only superstar in the history of the company to be in two rumbles on the same day. Queen of the ring, also a PWI rookie of the year. she's also she's not like those girls she's a fan of an iced americano with sugar-free mocha almond milk and two splendors naya jacks welcome to the podcast yes with my order i love that thanks for joining us jim ross is famous for saying wrestling ain't ballet right what you men and women, you go out there and do, you put your body on the line and, you know, split seconds, inches are the difference between something good happening and something bad.

1:42:26You obviously, there was a moment back in 2018 where you hit Becky Lynch, right? And I, look, I remember watching that and at that moment when she was sitting there bleeding, I literally went on Twitter and said that just made her a super duper star. And I truly believe that without that happening, the man does not rise to the heights that she got to. As great of a performer as she was, there was just something about that moment of that crimson mask. What are your thoughts or your memories of that day and that just unfortunate moment that actually kind of worked out to her favor? So let me just go back to the moment.

1:43:09We were coming off of a tour. we're going into Survivor Series. I just remember one of the producers saying, hey, we need to sell this. Go out there and say sorry later. We'll just say that.

1:43:26So I'm in the ring. And of course, being the biggest girl, I feel like I'm the biggest target. You know, like everybody wanted to come for me. And that was fine. I just remember getting like whacked in the back of my head, like getting nailed. And I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, At first I turned around and it was Lana and I kept shoving her off and shoving her off. And like, and then I got in the, I got in the corner with Naomi and we're going at it. You know, I love beating her ass. And, um, and then all of a sudden I'm, I'm getting these fricking nails to the back of my head again. And I just remember turning around and being like, this bitch better stop hitting me in the back of my damn skull.

1:44:02So I just turn around and I throw my hand, I swear, my fist wasn't closed. I'm going to just, Okay, if this is a jury, my fist was not clenched. Okay. But because closed fists are illegal, Naya. You know that. I know. That's true. It was an open fist. It wasn't fully closed. I didn't clench. You see how big that is? I'm saying that right there looks frightening to me. That's sharp. That's sharp right there, TJ. Them knuckles will cut you. Thank you. So I just kind of wanted to push her off of me. Whoever it was, I went to just get off of me. And it happened to be Becky. my big middle knuckle crossed the bridge of her nose.

1:44:42And I remember hearing, and then she went down and I went back to what I was doing because there were some other things that had to happen. And I didn't think anything of it in the moment. And then I remember going to the ground because we all had to get to the ground somehow and just seeing the blood coming out of her face. And I was like, I think I did that. i was like i think i i think that was me and it was it like like the air came out of my lungs i was like oh man you know in the moment it's like it was like bitch get off of me yeah like we're going and if you really want to brawl let's be real you don't want to brawl with a an angry samoan uh no i'm just gonna say that you don't want to brawl with an angry simone you don't want to keep poking the tiger and the tiger was poked and that's what happened in the moment um now do i think it catapulted her to a next level yeah she looked like a straight badass continuing on getting in that with ronda and walking out of that in that audience with that awesome shot of her bleeding hands down to her but i do think it is a combination of becky being incredibly talented the the shot of her with you know the blood on her face being able to complete what happened even after being knocked out you know i give her all the props in the world for what happened but don't with a crazy simone i mean don't mess with an angry simone sorry bleep it no it's there we said it we love that surprisingly back in november 2021 you were released from the company like i said it was a shock to to all of us uh major return a few years later but how did you regroup after that i realized that i needed to work on myself like Like, like I lost who I was.

1:46:33Like, you know, I got caught up in the business. I got caught up in dumb stuff that sometimes you do get caught up in this business, like winning and losing and bookings and whatever. Instead of realizing like what a blessing it is to be in the position that I was and remembering who I am and where I came from. I remember Nikki Bella reaching out and saying, because I told the Bella twins at the time or Garcia twins, I apologize. that I was having a hard time. And they reached out with a life coach that they used. Their name was Carrie. And I remember just having these really great sessions with Carrie and really diving into myself again and figuring out what makes me me and what made me happy again because I was losing my happy.

1:47:24So what would you say has been the biggest difference in this run as opposed to your previous stint? I think I just don't give a shit anymore. I think I'm just caught up in making, you know, I don't care, you know, if I have to go out there in a clown suit and twerk in front of 50 ,000 people, I'm going to make that the best clown suit twerking session anybody's ever seen. You know, like, I don't give a shit about, like, what people think and how it's going to come off. I'm going to go out there and give it the best I can. I'm going to go have fun. I'm going to make sure that match is incredible.

1:47:59I'm going to make sure my promos are incredible, at least to the best of my ability. And I'm going to make the best of everything I can. And so I think before I was just a little, you know, hesitant and second guessing myself. And now I don't second guess myself. I'm confident in who I am and what I bring to the table. And it's funny just going out, O'Shea. And I know you've seen some of the clips of you at house shows, reading fan signs, like some of the stuff that you say, I'm like, yo, she is on one out there. I try to explain to people who, you know, my friends who aren't in the wrestling yet, I'm drawing a lot of them in now, especially with this, how much fun a house show is.

1:48:38Yes. And it seems like you guys, you do, you have the most fun at house shows and you in particular, like I said, we've seen the videos of you reading signs and kind of giving it back to the people. How much fun is it for you, for you performers to be on a house show as opposed to being on TV? Well, on TV, we have to hit, you know, certain angles, certain times we got commercial breaks you know like you can't go over on a house show it's like a special treat for the fans you know it's a it's almost a one-on-one with them they get to see us you know i'm interacting whether they're popping popcorn in my mouth or i'm swigging somebody's beer one time they didn't catch that but like cody rhodes mom like poured water on me i was like i'm so thirsty um like you know or i'm grabbing the mic and i'm cutting a promo on somebody carrying a sign that says Nia Jax sucks.

1:49:29Like, it's totally fine, and I welcome it, but this is, you know, it's just something special that, you know, you don't get when you watch it on TV. You gotta show up to a live event, you never know what's gonna happen. You don't know who's gonna twerk in my face. You don't know what kind of butt cheeks you're gonna see. You know, like, that's what the live events are for. They're there to entertain the fans so that they, you know, they get a little something special that they wouldn't get if you're watching TV. One of the most exciting tag teams that we've seen in the WWE in quite some time. The athleticism, the chemistry in and out the ring.

1:50:03They're so in tune that their favorite football teams even got the same initials. They are four-time tag team champions off the main roster and NXT. They are the smoke bringers, synonymous with the solo cups. Ladies and gentlemen, the Street Profits are on their contest. What a treat, what a treat. We've been wanting these cats for a minute since we kicked this whole thing off. Street Profits was on the list. We appreciate y 'all having us, making the time. Thank you for having us. We had Mark Henry on the podcast early. He was telling us about how he would tell wrestlers, maybe don't date within the business, especially us.

1:50:41We can't be doing that. And then, of course, he gets a phone call. And then we had Bianca on the pod, and she clarified Mark Henry's story. So, Montez, why don't you give us your version? So what'd she tell you? What'd she tell you? Said that you had to ask Mark before, you know, all that courting started happening. You had to call her dad and Mark. Man, they put the pressure on me, man. I did not have it easy at all. So, like, I remember a little bit before that, like, her parents were, they went to Murdoch. Well, they go to Murdoch Beach every year for their anniversary. and I remember like the whole family was over there she was taking me over there to pretty much talk to him and I'm like god dang so like I had to do her father and Mark Henry it was it was a whole process but I remember with Mark like uh I think it was like around yeah because he told Mark told her like not to date nobody like nobody and I was like oh god man so we were like the first couple to like actually like i feel like we was like one of the first or probably the first couple to actually like break it out on the pc because like it used to be a thing where like man you don't you don't date in the business man you don't date in the business do you remember like the first time seeing her and and you going yo i i got to shoot my shot man man that was so it was like so we had this uh we had this function at work one time and like one of the girls like in her locker room like invited everybody to go out just to sushi and i mind you like i ain't never messed with sushi i ain't i didn't like the difficulty of eating it it was just too much of a process you know i don't need it either now i love sushi you know besides all this but i went there i remember i showed up and she was in like in like this red dress and like just very just very sleek beautiful like bright like colorful person like and like uh i just remember seeing that being so attracted to that and like just being attracted to her smile i know it's crazy that sounds just like her smile so it's like one of the main reasons why i act so crazy on tv because she's always laughing about it yeah but um just like man just like a genuine like person that just made me want to be better from like day one and uh literally from that night we met up like we never separated from that point you know like we helped each other with our life transitions and like for wrestling from growths to peaks and valleys and just keeping ourselves grounded literally like that's like my best friend so but that's when i'm known like that first night like that first night we we hit off i was like not giving her no play the whole time though because i was just trying to make sure this is what she wanted you know like she was like she was trying to talk to me she was trying to sit beside me in movie theaters like she even bought me a drink.

1:53:32Yeah, I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. She was sitting the signs, man, but I was just trying to make sure like, hey, this is this what you want to do. Then, you know, that consent, the consent. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Smart. So, Doc, he's saying he was playing hard to get. Is this true? Well, I said, he said, Ted's making it seem like he was playing hard to get. Is this how you say the situation? Yeah. Babe, come here. I'll bring her right now. Give me a baby. I'll bring her right now. Give me a two-second cameo. We got a no-contest favorite in the building. No-contest favorite is very true.

1:54:17There she is. Get off the stage, boo. What's up, B? Hey. How you been? I'm good. I'm good. I hear y 'all talking from the other room. Yes, he was giving me no play. Damn. What a star, man. No play. What a strong man. I was just trying to make sure this is what she wanted to do. That's all. You know what I'm saying? You got to pick a battle sometime. And she gave a thumbs down to Dawkins, so what you guys said is true. That is a brother and sister right there. I don't know why y 'all got you on here. You know why she mad. 42, 17. That's why. Bye. I'm out. Ohio State over Tennessee. Oh, my goodness.

1:55:03I'm sorry. That's why y 'all can't get along. My mama taught me if I got nothing nice to say, don't say nothing. So it's nice to see y 'all. It's a pleasure. Because I am. Hey, for y 'all anniversary,$2 gift cards. It's a gift, all right? Yeah, you really about to. Yeah. Okay. You know what? See, I want to be on a road trip with those two. That's fun right there. But Dawkins. See, y 'all just saw a sample. That's all the time. Our next guest is a part of one of the most star-studded NXT rosters I've seen in quite some time. We always hear the phrase, heart of a lion. But don't say that to this LSU tiger.

1:55:48Because like Joellen B, TJ, she don't play. Y 'all. Wait, let me finish. for her D1 soccer star who changed her definition of going for gold. If you want some liquid courage, she'll give you a shot of hypnotic that'll knock you right out. And they call it a truth because the hip don't lie, TJ. She can't hear it. She can't hear it. When she's out of the ring, she likes to cozy up with a good book. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome Jada Parker to the pod. No, thank you. By the way, you don't know that cozy line is a bar. That's her dog. Oh, shit. I'm nice, boys. So I guess we got to do that thing real quick that we have to do.

1:56:33What? You know. Oh, yeah. Hi, Ms. Parker. We got a time machine, right? Don't ask how I got it. It's just a lot of paperwork. Just know it's here. All right. So I'm going to put you in the time machine, Jada Parker, and I'm going to let you travel to any point in time for you to pick five women that you get to main event WrestleMania with. Five women that you think you could have a banger of a match with. Okay. From any point, like I said. And there are five individual matches. Five individual matches, yeah. Alright, so first, I'm going to get this big one out the way, Chyna. A bull. I would say Jacqueline.

1:57:22I would do that one. Of course, Jazz, because I'm trying to see what type of dog she got in her, you know. That's aggressive. Right? Right? And then I'll take two from this. I'll say Eyo. even though I know at the end of the day she is a hell of a wrestler but we fight when I get in there you feel me and then probably the last one Mercedes Monet let me tell you something I'm buying five tickets I'm going to five main event I'm going to be the green shirt guy that nobody knows how we don't even know how homeboy gets seats in these tickets What does he do? But Jada Parker, I'm going to be there and you'll be like, oh, there's TJ and Ken.

1:58:08Love, love, love. In the building, we have wrestling royalty right here, okay? My man is a multiple-time champion. He's been around the world in I, I, I, a New York Times best-selling author and quite the puppeteer. Mrs. Foley's baby boy. Yes, sir. Mick Foley, welcome to the pod, man. As you're saying that, I'm thinking of the guy like the Pinocchio, I think O'Shea's got the wrong information. Oh, man. Oh, sock puppet. Sock puppet. Not your petto. Tell us about your first night, laying your head on the pillow, champion of the world. Yeah. Well, it was a little painful because every time I would roll over, it would pinch me.

1:58:57You slept with it on. First night with the title. Oh, yeah, yeah. it was a disappointment because I was, it took us about two and a half hours to go from Worcester to Boston. I had a signing in Boston the next day. It was a school break so they could have it on a weekday. And I get to my hotel room and I was planning on doing a couple of things to celebrate, planning on getting a pretty good meal from room service, planning on watching a pay-per-view movie with adult themes in it.

1:59:36and i got there and i see the blue meanie in the uh lobby and he's not pulling a foley where he's you know he's sleeping for a few hours yeah there's no room for him and i i go back oh that's a shame and i go to my room you know to order the room service pay-per-view got plans and i just think of the blue meanie forlornly like like i walked down i said come on you know i'm not gonna I'm going to make you sit out here. So my night of the champion was spent like this. Well, a large man snored and farted his way through the evening, and I barely slept at all. So, no, it wasn't the greatest night of my life after I won that title, but it's gone on to be one of the greatest accomplishments ever.

2:00:21And especially the bigger Dwayne gets, the bigger I get by comparison. You got him. So the fact that for you to be on top of the world, You're now WWF champion. You're number one on the call sheet. Like, this is your dream. But yet you still, something inside you remembered the hard times you had. And to not let the man stay down there. Dude, that. Well, I'm having this image now of when we went to world-class championship. World-class was based out of Texas. But they were in like 120 markets around the country. And to this day, I guess the Von Eriks are like royalty in Israel because the world-class show was so big during that time period.

2:01:01But I remember we went to Chicago, and I didn't have a credit card. And one of the guys, I asked if I could room with him. He said no because he was going to have some female companionship. And so it's like 17 degrees, and I'm in the van. They had a van for us, and I've got like a little cloak around me. And I'm like, I guess I'm sleeping here. And then Brickhouse Brown knocked on the door. the window and he said get your ass out of that van and so and then he let me stay with him okay so you remember these things and you remember how you like to be treated versus how you don't like to be treated and uh yeah i i remember the guys that went out of the way to make life a little easier on me the guys who didn't and i want to be one of those guys who make life a little easier but what i wanted to say about the belt and i'm hesitant because it might sound like bragging but But it is one of the things that's most important in my career is I don't have my championship belt.

2:02:01No. And I had it. The lineage was Austin, rock, me. And so I've got this title belt that smells like beer and mildew because Steve did the beer bash all the time. I didn't know where to hang it. And so it was just in my closet for a couple of years. And Sabu, who we recently lost, had some real trouble with medical bills. You know, if you're Sabu and you try to, can you imagine Sabu trying to get insured? Yeah. Right? You know, before Obama came. Like, oh God, you take off his shirt. We can't insure this guy. He had mountains of medical bills. And Fumi, his name was Fumi. He did one of the magazines, Fumi Saito.

2:02:49and he he had a good rapport a lot of the uh american wrestlers and he asked if there was anything i could auction and i was like i pulled out the belt no way and it didn't get nearly what it would have these it got like one tenth of what to get now because they decided they were only going to make it um available to people who were at the show in japan it wasn't like a online auction but that to me like i i can be shallow and selfish and all those other things but i think like i did auction my belt to help one of the guys yeah more than anything i did in the ring i hope that's the type of thing people remember you know and so i guess sabu was on record saying i did more for him than anyone i didn't do anything besides that yeah but he'll he never forgot it you know he never forgot this that's a big thing to have your title i don't know if there's another WWE champion who doesn't have a belt.

2:03:45Right. And I'm glad to be that guy. So I'm the WWE champion without the teeth, without the belt, without the socks, but I got the fanny pack. Yeah. I got that fanny pack. And more important than that, you got the love of an admiration of millions of us wrestling fans. I appreciate that. Thank you. We got to, and then hopefully once they see this, you know, hopefully once the, the, the E sees this, they'll get you another one of these. It's not the same thing. Yeah, that's true. It's great to have the replica, but unless it smelled like mildew and beer, it's not my title belt. We can work on it.

2:04:22We'll find the person who bought it. It stuns me to see how much this stuff is worth. There's a young man named Chris Giordano on Long Island. I met him when he was graduating the Henry Viscardi School in St. Island for children with real physical challenges. So Chris has cerebral palsy, and he's got about$50 ,000 worth of stuff. Oh, my goodness. That I never knew it was going to appreciate and value. He's got the original Dude Love shirt. Whoa. He's got wrestling. Was he on Most Wanted Treasures? No, he wasn't on there. They wanted him to be on there, but they were wondering what the visual would look like of me coming into the home of a young man with cerebral palsy.

2:05:09and taking his most valued possessions from him. Oh, yeah, I guess that would be. That's not a good look. So I go down, you know, I still show up every year or two to watch a little WWE with him. And he's got the pay-per-view posters that I had, you know, foam mounted. And they've got, like, I had the juice at the time to go to every single person and get it signed. At the time, my wife and I had a gym, believe it or not, Foley's Gym on the Florida Panhandle. so we had these things hanging including Vince McMahon's signature and I'm like just those posters alone with all those signatures I just gave them away like the gold and platinum records you know you want this on your wall you can't very well go back now and ask for it back

2:05:59exactly alright now hold on should I take this call from Ginger Lynn Ginger Ginger, I'm doing a podcast with O'Shea Jackson Jr. and TJ Jefferson. Whoa, whoa, I like it. Can I call you as soon as I'm done here? All right. Hi, Ginger. The guys say, hi, Ginger. Hi, Christy. Just a couple. They love, wait. All right, you're on speaker now. Hi, Ginger. Hi. And Christy. And Christy. We're both here wishing we were all together. just having the best time ever. I mean, here at the No Contest Wrestling Podcast, Ginger, you would be having the best time ever. I'll talk to you guys in a few minutes, okay?

2:06:44All right. Have a great show. Bye-bye. That's the way I roll, man.

2:06:55That's amazing. You know, this is a little life lesson. Ladies and gentlemen, I mean, Our guest has gone from everywhere from making us believers to making some of us have detention and get suspended at school. Oh, thousands of hours of detention this man was responsible for. Whether you call him the lightning kid or one, two, three. Or just the kid. By the time he turned to puck, it was all eyes on dees. Ladies and gentlemen, he is a multiple-time tag team champion, a cruiserweight champion, a two-time light heavyweight champion, a two-time European champion, and a two-time Hall of Famer who's got two words for you.

2:07:37X-Pod. What's up, man? Welcome to the pod, bro. How you doing? You like that intro? Great to be here. Thank you so much, man. You know, I'm envisioning, you know, you, Triple H, Shawn Michaels, Razor Ramon, and Diesel all packed into a minivan, making towns together, just talking about the business. Trying to cram all the luggage in. hundreds of hours, thousands of miles on the road, man. Like what were those road trips like? You said you taught the business. Yep. But like, man, like to be a, you know, they say to be a fly on the wall, but to be, I don't know, a fly inside the car. I don't know.

2:08:10We just, we talked a lot about like, you know, like to try, like, like we refined our style by trial and error every night and listening to the people and seeing how, what kind of reactions we were getting and, you know, all that. And so we spent a lot of time, like, talking about that, that kind of stuff. And just also, you know, about, you know, how the direction that we wished the company would be going, and creatively, like, more, like, you know, people talk a lot about the new generation era and the cartoon character, like, you know, the Duke to Dumpsters and the f***ing plumbers and the hockey player, the Dennis.

2:08:56So we hated that, you know, but we did the best we could. Well, you know, Vince is the boss and, you know. At what point did you realize, because it seems, you know, we've read this so much, what point did you realize that you kind of had the boss's ear, though? Is it because you guys were just so business-oriented? And just Sean was the, like, Sean was very, Sean had a relationship with Vince where he could be very, you know, frank. open and honest about him i mean more than that like he can get away with talking talking crazy and get away with it you know so um and so that helped yeah that helped because i've also heard that like vince would like it when people had their own ideas who would like just show the initiative that they wanted to sure further their careers it seemed like all you guys had that.

2:09:46At the end of the day, we were doing it his way, though. Yeah. Until the Attitude Era. Yeah. Until, like, it was just like, you know, Scott and Kevin, I left and, um, you know, they started getting beat, you know, ratings-wise. It just wasn't working, what they were doing, and finally Vince listened, right? To Sean and Paul. Skipping ahead a little bit, we'll come back, but you mentioned Sean and Paul yeah as fans we always see DX as the inmates running the asylum like that's just what the look was how crazy is it that they're doing it right now you know with with Paul uh running things for Smackdown and Raw and Sean over at NXT you know just speak a little bit on how how what you feel about their success in the creative and booking I just think uh for the moment for this time that we're in right now i don't think we could have and i'd say this you know and i could it could come off being biased or whatever than my dear friends and that but like i mean even just objectively like i can't imagine somebody not realizing that there are the two best people we could have doing those jobs right now yeah you know um hopefully it's a long run man as a fan i hope so as well we speak about how on fire they are as a wrestling fan like i just feel like there was several years there where it was like it was tough it was like it was like the abusive relationship it was like you how can you like keep watching this wrestling like you know like you know your fans don't want this and you're gonna give it to them anyways yeah because it's my way you know right and it is it falls into not every reaction is a good react like you know it's they always say you know controversy you know like you're still getting talked about controversy creates cash yeah but like no no uh no publicity is bad yeah and that's just not true trust me i know yeah now you you told us told us backstage but i just want the people to know It was some inspiration During the NWO times Yeah I don't want to say it all But A bunch of that was shit that we took From West Side Connection Yeah Like you'd hear us say bow down when we come to your town All that shit The attitude All of that We stole that shit because you can tell there was a heavy hip-hop we appropriated the f*** out of that you can tell there was a heavy hip-hop influence with you guys with the bandanas, the FUBU Kevin always rocking, you guys with the Jordans and you know Kevin always saying thug life and throwing up the dub I had thug written on my f***ing on my stomach and notorious written on my ass so when you told us in the back we were like, we laughed and was like what and then you were like, think about it And we thought about it.

2:13:15It was like, oh, right. Yeah, because everything you guys did was a little good. So Westside Connect. My dad's going to love that story. That's awesome. Tell us about the house show music you were. Oh, yeah, the Gangster, the Killer, and the Dope Diller. At the Forum. At the Forum. At the Forum. So you know how that starts out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gangster, the Killer, and the Dope Diller. What? Oh, I got back and I got my ass reamed. Because you know the language in that. Yeah, it was rough. So you're in Inglewood, Inglewood, California, at the Forum, right down the street. We're 15 minutes from there.

2:13:55And our last episode, we talked to Liv Morgan about how shows and how the performer gets a little bit more freedom. So you use that freedom to use West Side Connection as your theme song. I'm in Inglewood. Yeah, you got to hit it. you gotta hit it oh yeah it was great i loved it it's one of my favorite things i've ever done i went out and i had a really good match with ray mysterio yeah i beat him but then chris jericho came out and then i dropped it like the cruiserweight title to him oh it was the shittiest way like anyone's ever won a belt like i feel really like guilty about how like shitty i I f***ing handed that belt to Chris Jericho.

2:14:41We talked about it. Anyways. That's awesome. That is incredible. Less like connection. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. How about you tell them where to find us? Oh, that's right. Well, you know, if you're on social media, on Twitter, there's no contest. On Instagram, no contest wrestling podcast. And, of course, that's on the Rich Eisen Show YouTube page. We're out there, man. We're in these streets. Yeah, man. And on behalf of my co-host, this has been the No Contest Wrestling Podcast. Make sure y 'all have a good day, but not too good. Who the hell do you think you are? Bye, Mr.

2:15:19Parker.

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