Bonus Interview with "Real1" Formerly Known as Enzo Amore

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0:32I know what you're thinking. Wednesday? Like the good old days? It's Wednesday. You know what that means. It's time for No Contest Wrestling Podcast, baby. But it's a special little hump day special. Pause. Little Wednesday special for you guys. We got somebody special. I mean, TJ orchestrated an interview with somebody that we both know personally. We both had conversations with. And we definitely need to have a conversation on our show. Yeah. You got to have him. Because he's a real one. The real one. The real one, formerly known as Enzo Amore. We'll be here to talk, and I'm excited to get to it.

1:10I mean, are you trying to waste some time? Nah, man. We're going to talk about Fourth Rope. Yeah, Fourth Rope. See what's going on. They got a show on Thursday with West Side Gun. Huge. We're big wrestling fans. He might be a bigger fan than us, but he's got his own promotion, Fourth Rope. We wanted to learn about Fourth Rope, so who better than Real One to tell us about it? and their big show that they got coming up, Heels Have Eyes, on 1030 at Six Flags Great Adventure. Should I get into it? Let's do it. Let's get into it. Fans of the No Contest Wrestling Podcast, we would like to present to you one of the best talkers there ever was.

1:43Ever. I once seen the man cut a promo without a microphone. It was on his hand. He keeps it on him. Keeps it on him. You know, just a real one in more ways than one. You could catch him. was it this Thursday in Jersey? Yes. Six Flags, fourth rope. He is your current give me, correct me if I'm wrong, the current flyweight champion of the fourth rope. Please, ladies and gentlemen, welcome. Oh yeah, that's a nice one. Please welcome what you might know him as Enzo, but right now he is the real one and he is on the No Contest podcast. Thank you guys enough for having me on here. Brother, I think I guess the question I have is tell us about fourth rope a little bit, man.

2:27How'd you get involved with Westside Gun and this promotion? Honestly, man, I couldn't have told you it was God's plan, bro. There was just no way for me to explain what I went through when I left the company. There was no place I wanted to be. I mean, New York, New York, that's it. You know, the city of my backyard. I never wanted to go to WCW. AEW was, you know, something that I considered. I reached out. They had no interest. And I'm at a point where if it's me, it's you. I mean, what do I care? What are you going to cancel me? Like, what do I care? I have nothing to lose, bro. I've already lost everything.

3:07I've been dragged through the mud. And, you know, when you treat them like dirt, they stick like mud, bro. You know, I don't care if you if you treat me a certain way, I'll treat you the same way back, bro. I don't have any gripe with the business because I'm in such a good place. I like I said, I'm solid right now. You know, the foundation for which I built this business, you know, Fourth Rope is really all of the things that I love. It's hip hop, it's wrestling, it's fashion, it's rap. And it's all of those things wrapped into one because that's what this business is, bro. If you look back at the history of pro wrestling, it's sex, drugs, rock and roll.

3:46It's wild. And it's held to a different standard now. But I came up in a PG era. And like I said, I wasn't playing with the handicap. There was no cheap pop. You couldn't stick your middle finger in the air. You couldn't call somebody a curse word. You had to really reinvent the wheel if you wanted to become as fly as I was. And that was calling people SAWFT soft. and I think that the reason why I was able to uh transcend pop culture at a time where wrestling to me got boring was because I saw it for what it was I was watching a show that I thought lacked a certain value of entertainment and I was the one who looked around and said well if you're not gonna do it I am so I I I just uh I believe in myself and I and I like to say to people like I'm sorry if my confidence hurts your feelings.

4:38I hope you feel the way about yourself. I feel about myself in my industry. To be the best in the world at anything is unbelievable. And to achieve it, it takes a certain type of person. And unwaveringly, my confidence has never left. My opportunities got squandered. I got canceled. I got shit on by the world and I got told I was one thing. But to that point, I love to inspire those that have to persevere and go through things. You know, Moses had to leave Egypt and he had to go in the desert. And, you know, he had to go through something to come back and say, all right, well, here's what time it is now.

5:21You know, so I went through hell. You got to go through me. And I'm not taking no for an answer in this business. So, like, I'm moving the needle with this. And fourth rope is making waves. And it's not just me. It's a team of people. It's my boss, West Side Gun and Smoke Dizza, who are the brains, who are the operation, who are the money, the finance. And for me to have that opportunity, I owe so much to them. And my loyalty is real. And I prove it all the time. But you'll be reminisced to find anybody like me in this business. So I had to go through something that nobody else had to go through.

5:59And it only made me ready for what I'm about to go through next. Now, you know, in, in any profession, you have to have some sort of confidence about yourself, but they, you know, there's a thin line. People like to, people like to maybe misplace confidence as arrogance. Can you talk to us a little bit, you know, for people who might lack that confidence in self, you know, what it in your eyes is the difference between somebody who just believes in themselves and somebody who's you know an arrogant you know so and so maybe even faking a funk yeah yeah what's the difference in your eyes i think i could certainly blur the lines of that i can come across as just that thing you know um i i i just think that uh i worked really really hard at writing that was my thing That was my forte in this business.

6:56That's what I was able to do. And I would say I had to write millions of words, man, millions to find that five letter word that would change my life forever, calling somebody soft. So it just didn't, it just didn't happen overnight for me, but it actually did. The first time I was ever in the ring was because John Cena was at the day that I debuted in NXT. And I went to college at the same school John Cena did, chasing him, chasing my dream. I just thought if I went to Springfield College where the WWE champion played football and I play football there, that I will get into the WWE. So I went to Springfield.

7:33I met John Cena there as a freshman. He came to speak to the football team. I asked him, how do I get in the WWE? He said, go to college, get your degree, have coach DeLong reach out to me when it's over. And luckily I got to the WWE without him. And when I saw him in the hallway in NXT, he was there to keep the house for the dark segment. And I just said to him, hey, man, take me home tonight. And he looked at me like, what? And I was like, that's the song we played at Springfield College whenever we won a football game. Did they play it when you went there? And he looked at me like, yeah, yeah, they did play it.

8:05And then he kind of walked off and he watched me debut. Apparently, he stood up backstage and repeated me. Bada boom, realest guy in the room. So he pulled me aside and I quote, he said i've been watching this show for three hours and nothing's caught my attention until you came through the curtain would you like to come out to the ring and cut a promo with me in the dark segment wow at that moment i said to him that guy over there's my tag team partner but he wasn't big ass big cash just became my tag team partner because i told john cena he was i didn't know at the time i was green i didn't understand you know i was just gonna get heat for doing something like that.

8:42But I just, man, God came over me and I just trusted my intuition. And next thing you know, I'm out there with Big Cass. Damien Sandow is the intellectual savior of the masses. So that fed me the line. You know, this guy's seven feet tall and you can't teach that. And if you're so smart, how many dimples are there on a golf ball? Oh, you don't know? There's 168 dimples on a golf ball. You know how many there are on my hind end? Zero. You want to know why? Because I'm hard body. You know what you are? s-a-w-f-t soft god's dinner repeated soft next thing you know we're at the next tv taping we're not booked me and cas haven't had a match yet and ryback is out in the ring and the people are going soft soft soft they come and tap us on the shoulder and go get your gear on and get out there now so now we're out there for our second dark segment in consecutive tapings and we don't have any material ready so i just told big cast uh just hey ladies you got a real cheap date in the uh ring right now if you like meatheads all you got to do is take them to the local golden corral feed me more hey big cast what are we gonna have right big cast just rattles everything off on the menu and i just say how you doing in between it he's like you know chocolate fondue how you doing different strawberries and i just how you doing in between everything he said Next thing you know, we got soft and how you doing over in front of an NXT crowd that would change our lives because of the same people coming there every week.

10:13And then they make us stars to you, the viewer on TV. So when we show up NXT for the first time in the UK, they know our catchphrases by heart. We're going out there and we're just blown away by the fact that they know who we are in Europe. Me and Casso, what the, like, it was just crazy, crazy, crazy time to be us. Uh, and Hey man, I made my mistakes. Don't ever, ever get it twisted. Like I was some, you know, some saint over there, bro. I was Ric Flair in my best days. I was absolutely bending my elbow at the bar with the best of them trying to keep up with the big guys. And man, I just, you know, I fell flat on my face too many times, bro.

10:55You can't, uh, you can't live that lifestyle and expect it. If you're burning the candle at both ends to not eventually fizzle out. so you know there was lessons learned in this life and you know more notably my tag team partner who struggled with addiction who is a advocate for it uh these days and and shows the world when he's on you know aew big bill that you know you can go through something and i've seen the biggest man literally get taken out by substances and uh i knew then and there that you know what what he did coming back i had to remind him when he when he came back on tv it was he had no microphone he wasn't advertised and he got beat up and lost and to me that debut at aew was so much bigger and better than the debut we made together in the wwe because if you knew what he went through to get back on tv i had to remind him bro do you remember how how big of a deal it was when we got on tv like it was all we ever wanted to do in our lives and you just came back to life you died you just this guy had a seizure he was sitting in a hospital he tried to cold turkey alcohol and you just can't do that and uh he was able to be you know a real a real driving force in my life as far as like don't give up you know this thing that you love pro wrestling it's not owned by one man.

12:23It's not owned by any corporation. And God had a plan for the pendulum to swing the other way. I just felt like it needed time. I needed to grow. I needed to go through some things and I needed to see it from a different lens. And like I was talking about being in the desert for me, that was the Indies. I was able to meet people, see talent, humble myself. You know, I've wrestled in front of 15 people. I've wrestled in front of, you know, 1500 people on the Indies and I gave it the same amount of energy and you need to be able to do that uh especially if you want to get back you know to the top and if there's no room for me at the top and that would be the wwe well damn i'm i'm gonna make my own room bro i'm the realest guy in the room so that's what happened fourth rope you know there was an aew i didn't get invited bro uh tna wasn't you know something that i was eagerly looking at and saying oh that's where i belong either so you know i had to see the landscape and go bro this is still missing something and i got with smoke dizza i got with west side gun i saw their vision they saw mine um and it afforded me the opportunity to make applicable the things i learned at what i consider to be the harvard of pro wrestling and that's the performance i learned from the best coaches in the world i learned from the best mouthpieces in the world and i and i learned from dusty roads and you can't teach that because he's dead and uh you know i learned from triple h at a time where he made believers out of people because when he came to nxt and he was like oh we're gonna take this show on the road we were in florida championship wrestling doing weekly tv on like tuesdays in front of 50 people you know and as a talent you're looking at i'm like yeah bullshit dude like what you know and next thing you know you're at the barclays center and you're you're in the o2 arena in london and this thing is taking off and um to his credit you know i don't he believed in me right if he didn't he wouldn't put a microphone in my hand every single night um so i owe him a big thank you for that um but i also felt like you know people ask me all the time bro when are you going back to the wwe i mean it's the most common question i get everywhere i go and to be honest with you i've never called them i've reached out via text message i've gotten responses which is cool but i've never actually picked up the phone um and they never called me that's for damn sure so um i don't answer that question with a it's definitely going to happen or it's definitely not going to happen i just don't know if it will ever happen and i have to look at it and say you know why wouldn't it happen well shit for one people are scared shitless of me i'm the best in the world by far by far like second place couldn't see my ass with a pair of binoculars humble telescope dude i mean i'm a star and and you knew it the first time you saw me and that's confidence and i bring that same confidence because i don't have a nervous bone in my body i i said it to shane mcmahon the day i debuted shane pulled me aside he said hey man are you nervous and i said to shane mcmahon the night i was going to debut before i went out there i said brother i don't have a nervous bone in my body i'm going to grab that microphone turn it into a brass ring and start beating everybody over the head with it around here then you grab that mic before you go through the curtain and actually do what you were saying you know that was a different a different eric that was a different enzo and that was not who i am today you know uh you gotta grow in this business um you know i gotta i don't put on a suit and tie I still wear my Jordan swag, but, you know, when I'm there at fourth rope, I'm there for the other town.

16:29Anybody's got a question. Anybody wants to know. I've seen everything but the wind at this point from, you know, the WWE showing me the world to the Indy showing me bingo halls and armories where guys can't remember a spot. And you've got to know who you're in the ring with and realize you once were in the ring with the best in the world. so now you've got to know that's not this and indies have been a learning experience that was invaluable for me that all of my peers got so they got to do that before they got to wwe and i was spoiled i was a spoiled brat i used to tell people oh you work for new japan tna i don't even know what the fuck that is since day one and that's the only place i'm ever gonna wrestle welcome to the show buddy you know saying that to a fergal devit walking through the door or a kevin owens you know saying it with you know sincerity but also with the knowledge and the rationale that i don't know a lot and i need to learn and i'm and i can learn a lot from finn Balor.

17:38I could learn a lot from Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane and riding in the car with El Generico and hearing Neville's reasoning for why he did this or that. So I got an education in this business, driving in cars with Wyndham and, you know, with guys that you can never, they're not even here anymore. My education can't even be replicated and timing is everything in life. And I had the benefit of good timing. I've been a blessing, blessed man with timing, timing being my debut. you Hunter and the people in the brass holding me and big cast back. At least we thought at the time, but the, you know, absence makes the heart grow fonder and, and people wanting to eagerly see us on raw and them holding us back to the moment where we debuted on the night after raw, we could have debuted in Mississippi on a random raw and you would have never heard everybody say our shit with us when we came out.

18:34So timing is everything. Timing is key for you then. and being an FCW for a year before it became NXT, before they built a performance center, I was there building every single ring in NXT. And I had to set up the ring and learn how to set up the ring. And God bless my homie who's dead too. Got shot in the stomach. Ivan Warsaw just a few months back. I lost one of my best friends in this business and I would have never met him if it wasn't for WWE. I got introduced to people, places and things that I would have never seen. So I am grateful for my time there. And I'm at such a place of peace right now that I'm not bitter about any of it.

19:13But, you know, I also am all knowing in the fact that, you know, you got to, it takes two to tango in this business. so you can't work with anybody if they don't want to work with you and that's a shame because things that have happened to me in my career even since i left wwe you know people have cut their nose to spite their face in this industry on my behalf i once showed up to survivor series and bought a ticket but it was all for the greater good in an angle that had me jumping over a guard rail at madison square garden with big cast the first time we were seen together outside of wwe and i couldn't manufacture that i had to make it real so the only way to do that was to tell the producers of ring of honor at the time joey mercury that we can't shoot this we have to make it seem like it was what i did at survivor series they didn't put it on camera and i trended number one in the world because everyone's phones caught it yeah and that's 20 000 people in an arena that are all posting or talking about it not to mention the people at home watching the show going wait what just happened at the show yeah so you had to be able to replicate that and then it took real violence brock lesner and randy orton at summer slam blurring the lines of what's real and what's fake hey can i interrupt you real quick and talk to you about that i heard a story years ago when you were working with Brock in that rumble, you kind of told him what you wanted to do.

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21:18Legally, we can't say drinking Storm makes you smarter and more focused. But with zero sugar, 200 milligrams of caffeine, and immunity support, you're smarter and more focused for drinking Storm. Storm, good energy in, good energy out. Energy for life. Bro, I will say this, bro. Paul Heyman would see me in a hallway And whenever he saw me, he'd pop. And for shoot, he'd go, aha!

21:45I'll be like, don't say that. You're going to give me, like, heat, you know what I mean? And to be honest with you, I'm a Christian. So, Seth Rollins, you can miss me with that Monday Night Messiah bullshit. My Lord and Savior is Jesus Christ and the only God I know. I'm monolithic. He's above me. So I'm no God. I'm just incredibly gifted at writing and memorizing. Memorizing, and I might got a touch of the tism, but it ain't nepotism.

22:14Basically, we're talking about entrant number like 20, and I know this could probably only go one of two ways, right? Brock Lesnar is coming out before me, and Goldberg is coming out after me. So we're at entrant number like 20-something, and I haven't seen or talked to Brock yet. So I can talk about it now when I look back. I've been doing Sober October, guys. It's been a hell of a month for me. I plan on toasting with some of the boys after we do Fourth Rope Show at Six Flags Great Adventure on Thursday the 30th, but I'll get through the Royal Rumble story. I knock on the door. It's Brock Lesnar's locker room.

22:51He's there with a trainer named Larry and just Paul Heyman. And I busted the door. I was probably high, but I just was like, hey, you know, first of all, I know it's going to be a night off. I don't have to go out there and put on a main event. I mean, in the Rumble, you hang around, sell around the ring. And I knew Goldberg was coming in after me. I knew it wasn't going to be a long spot. So my mic work was done for the night, and I was chilling. And I knocked on the door, and I said, hey, man. So I was thinking I'll come in the ring. I'll jump on the apron. I'll get in the ring. I'll hit my shit, and I'll fire up, and I'll just run at you full speed.

23:29And whatever happens, happens. Oh, and Brock looked at me like.

23:38Nah, he just put his hand out. So I shook his hand and I walked out of there and I didn't know when I ran at him, if I was going to get murder or if it was going to be suplex city. But I think he liked it and I think he spared me because I had the balls to go say hello to him. Paul Haven liked me so at the time I didn't feel like I was infringing I mean I am up after you in the rumble we have business to do so at some point hopefully we talk to each other but I said I'll run at you full speed and whatever happens happens so I ran at him full speed he took my head off and then he just threw me out of the ring and spared me the suplex city he liked me for it man I can't say because I'm not him and Lord knows I avoided conversations because I did not want them to dislike me.

24:30I see that. And you talked about all the people you got to learn from, right? And that is an education that you just can't buy. So now you get to pay it forward almost to the people that you're working with. You know, when people have you on cards, you elevate the card. And that's what you're going to be doing on the 30th at Six Flags Great Adventure. Gangrel, dog. Gangrel. Legendary Gangrel from the brew. when his music hits dude it's fire so a trainer of nicky black and trainer of nicky blackheart one of our she's a star she's a star right she's a star waiting to happen you steal her from us yeah i mean it's better time dog because we got some stars at fourth rope and we're making stars tell us about some of them man let's introduce people we got a guy making a debut who's seven feet tall we got another guy called um black leather i believe or or or leather man giant leather giant giant leather he's beyond dawkins brother the left tackle for the buffalo bill okay and this guy can move and he's cool as shit and i can't wait to see what we do with him we've got some fourth rope strongholds and cha-cha charlie joe alonzo and mo jabari who are guys i believe in and let me tell you a story about mo jabari okay now that is um the protege and the stepson almost for lack of a better word of brett hart oh yeah he's a trainer at the dungeon and uh tj wilson actually helped him uh because he saw him in the building that he grew up in with a single mother tj grew up the same way and this kid loved wrestling and he walked up to tj and he knew who he was so he introduced him to Brett and Mo's been uh you know in that circle with all the Hart brothers and everything ever since and I had the honor and the privilege of wrestling in front of Bret Hart at the dungeon in dungeon wrestling stampede Stu Calgary's famous uh place and I grew up loving Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels uh the feud they had and that was my era right so I went up to Bret Hart before the match and I said hey brother you mind if I call this match completely in the ring wow and he was like on uh no you can't do that because he wanted to protect mo and he's like he comes from a different mindset right brett grew up in the day where you had to protect your comeback you had to make sure you got your shit in you had to make sure you got your moves in and you weren't about to let rick flair go out there and just say no i'm calling it's like no i'm the champ now i'm calling it to you and i gotta make you know what i'm saying yeah so I was kind of blown away by the fact Brett was like, no, you can't call it in the ring.

27:13I was like, wait, what? Like, I thought you did that. And I've come to find out over the years, like, there's a lot of guys who knew what they were doing when they got in the ring. And there was very few that went out there and just called it. Well, the most nerve-wracking situation you can get into in NXT is when your job was on the line and they randomly blow the whistle and tell all the talent to circle the ring. and then they just randomly call in the ring two people and then they got to work on the fly and some of those guys get called up on raw the next day some of those guys get fired the next day and it was nerve-wracking and there was a time where scott dawson from ftr one of the best workers out there dax harwood saved my job and his job at the same damn time he was a vet he was I was greener than goose shit and we were both on the edge of getting fired and they called us both in the ring and Scott locked up with me and he said shut the fuck up and just listen.

28:17I went all right no problem I'll do that so I just listened to Scott and I was I'm telling you I've only been wrestling for like three weeks all I know is like a vertical suplex in an international spot. I knew because I watched wrestling my whole life And I loved it that selling is where the money's at And getting out is what Shawn Michaels made a living doing So I just sold around the ring And we went back and forth At things but that match We both ended up bleeding in the face And they had to call it so there was no finish But it happened in front of all the boys Now all the boys Were on the edge of their seat So intrigued by what just happened I owed Dax Harwood because he was the first one to save my job the first time that time um so what i did when i got on the indies was i realized that man people don't know how to work on the fly so i would ask every single promoter to put me in the ring with green kids i don't want to work a veteran i don't want to work somebody who's been doing this like shane douglas has seen everything but the wind what does it benefit him getting in the ring with me you know you can help elevate the younger people coming up who didn't have experience i strictly work with green guys and i and i got them shit in their pants right up until the curtain every single time we work because all i do is show them how to take my finishing move and then i go out there and i call all the shit on the fly i work on the fly completely on the fly and that's why i'm the flyweight champ and now it makes sense it makes sense now uh you you grew up going to this six flags right i grew up going to six flags in new jersey this is kind of bucket list kind of like a like i can't even believe it's happening you know i'm going to be wrestling in the batman action arena where they where i've gone to see it as a kid um and we're putting on one hell of a show man we really are we have some credible new talent like you had mentioned nicky blackheart uh tiara james little foot uh maura she's in tna you've seen her in wwe and nxt um we got all those girls on the card we got this new kid i i think she's the shit i watched her wrestle and i actually reached out to her uh her name is zamaya she looks like bolna kata i'm a big fan of hers uh so i'm excited to see her and have her on our show with rio our women's champions she's from the uk and we spare no expense when it comes to travel and getting these people over here you put the title for the females on a girl who's over in the uk defending it on the indies which is super cool the hardy boys they ain't cheap either and they got our titles um zilla's the man right now and uh the main event is the way these shows operate is i'm the flyweight champ and i open off our shows because i trust myself to go out and do that I can hit my time and if I ask you to go 10 minutes after me and I just went 10, how are you going to look at me when you go 12 and be like, I can hit my time and so I expect the next wrestler to hit his time or her time and more importantly, I opened WWE shows around the world for many years and it's a very important spot and you need to set the tone and hype the crowd and I don't know anybody in the world who can open a show better than me.

31:45I don't think people understand that, too. They sometimes think going on first is a bad thing. No, you're setting the tone, like you said, for tonight. That's the job of the flyweight champion at Fourth Rope right now. I open the show, Zillafatu, main event closes it out. Somewhere in the midst, you get the Hardys tag team champs. You'll get the women in the main, semi-main spot. And I'll tell you what, these chicks tore it up on Westside Gunday, And I believe that's going to drop this Thursday. So keep your eyes peeled for Westside gun day. That was in Buffalo. He has a mayoral holiday. He does a lot for the community, giving out backpacks and school supplies.

32:22It's cool that he does that, man. I'm proud of him. And I'm proud of the fact that, you know, he stuck to his guns and did this thing the right way. And we're not just jumping overboard. We have a catalog and we're slowly building it. And we're not, you know, we're not cannibalizing ourselves. and putting out three shows at a time and four shows and all this stuff. You're making sure it's quality. We're keeping the stuff trendy, and we're keeping it underground. And it's really just a great time for me in this business. I never thought that I'd be a producer of a show. And now you look at it, and it's like you got Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks over at AEW, and I hate that shit.

33:05So have fun with WCW, bro. I'll wait for you guys to do something with Big Bill, who's seven feet tall and should be beating the shit out of all of you. But that's neither here nor there. You know, TNA, it was a product that's been around for a long time. And, you know, I think they're hitting their stride right now. So it's cool to see that happening. But we are fourth rope. We are affiliated with Anthem and TNA. And we're lucky to have some of those guys, man. And, you know, Mike Santana's got a hell of a story. He'll be wrestling on the show at Six Flags Great Adventure. New world champ. Yeah.

33:43Defending the TNA title on our show. We've got MVP, our GM. He's from AEW. This is the forbidden door. And you can only do that if you're West Side Gun because you've supported all of these businesses. So many years purchasing front row tickets. You see him everywhere. See him at all the shows. He loves this, man. He really loves the business and he gets the business. So when he books a card, it's on me to make sense of it or to put it in a timely fashion where it becomes a two-hour show. I work with Smoke Dizza on that. And as we say, Vince was at the pool with Pat Patterson and Gerald Briscoe or Jim Cornette.

34:22We've got a pool, and there's only three people at it right now. And then Kaz, you know, who's our announcer, who was a writer in WWE, has that experience and also has a podcast with Carmelo Anthony, works in Madison Square Garden with the New York Knicks. Oh, Kazim. Yes. Kazim has a ball. Yeah. Kazim's a good dude. So Kazim sits at the table with us and we come up with this show and we map it out. And we last time at West Side Gonday, everybody hit their times. It was a three hour show. This aims to be a two hour show. so that people can get out and ride rides and, you know, go hit the theme park and all that stuff.

35:01But, you know, I'm going to bring up what you had mentioned too. You know, it takes two to tango. And you can only work with people if they want to work with you, you know. And elevating talent is what you had mentioned. And I enjoy doing it with all of the green guys that I work with on the independent scene and then helping with producing and lending a hand there. A lot of these guys, you can just say, hey, you got 10 minutes. Go out there and kill it. And they'll do it, you know. Like, um, a genome, a Dina, Mike Santana going out there. They don't need somebody to oversee what they do. They're great at it.

35:33And I, I trust them, you know? So, um, a lot of this, you know, fourth road lens that the, the credibility to the artist. So that's, what's dope. But when I see the WWE and I look at it from an outsider's perspective, there is no one that i couldn't work with and elevate on that show there's not a single guy uh you know my story uh you know i'm dusty roads number one student he believed in me more than anybody and on the 25th anniversary of monday night raw the night i was set to be wrestling gold dust my mentor's son i got fired but if you know i had a title and I was set to be in a three-hour thread of the show and wrestle my mentor's son.

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