In short
The Rich Eisen Show episode centers on Jim Abbott’s story, including his MLB no-hitter and the ESPN documentary “Southpaw: The Life and Legacy of Jim Abbott,” plus additional sports talk (Deion Sanders’ proposal to “two feet in bounds” in college football, MLB/Red Sox vibes, and a segment on Celebrity Family Feud and Overreaction Monday).
Guests (and backgrounds)
Jim Abbott, former MLB pitcher born without a right hand; he played college baseball at the University of Michigan and later pitched in MLB, including a famous no-hitter for the Yankees. Freddie Prinze Jr., actor (mentioned as a guest, but the transcript’s main guest interview is Abbott).
Key claims
Abbott says the no-hitter game (Sept. 4, 1993 vs. Cleveland) felt “magical” and that he realized it could happen after the sixth inning; he credits teammates and a “letting go of result” approach. He describes Yankees front-office welcome after earlier criticism.
Notable examples
Olympics gold medal (Seoul, Korea, 1988); Michigan hitting despite scouts; Yankees no-hitter vs. Lofton, Baerga, Bell, Manny Ramirez, and Tomey; Donnie Mattingly’s spring training first-base communication drill; grounds crew digging out and having every Yankee sign the pitching rubber.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORich's Sports Allegiances
1:56 to 2:14
Rich shares his emotional ties to Michigan and the Yankees.
“Hour number two of the Rich Eisen show is on the air.”
Introducing Jim Abbott
2:14 to 3:00
Rich introduces Jim Abbott, discussing his new documentary and history.
“I always tell you what's on my mind and what's in my heart and what's in my soul.”
Jim Abbott's Olympic Experience
3:00 to 4:21
Jim recounts his experience winning a gold medal at the Olympics.
“I try to tap out, but there is still business of this show.”
Memorable Game Highlights
4:21 to 6:50
Discussion on Jim's memorable moments in baseball, including his pitches.
“So how many games did you start for Team USA, Jim?”
Hitting and MLB Challenges
6:50 to 7:39
Jim shares insights about hitting and his challenges in the MLB.
“And there was like the Giants, there were the Mets, there were all sorts of National League scouts that were in the crowd.”
Teammates and Overlaps
7:39 to 8:31
Jim discusses his teammates and overlaps with famous players.
“One in Wrigley Field, which is another two-hour documentary we can talk about.”
The No-Hitter Game
8:31 to 13:12
Jim recounts the day he pitched a no-hitter, including pre-game thoughts.
“But they had some great teams just before I got there.”
Mindset and Performance
13:12 to 14:00
Jim reflects on the mental aspect of pitching and performing under pressure.
“When did you realize that this could be happening?”
The Pressure of the Ninth Inning
14:00 to 14:58
Learn about the mental aspects of high-pressure situations in sports.
“And that ninth inning, I felt it in every cell of my body, the breathing, the knees, the heart, everything.”
Jim Abbott's Memories of Don Mattingly
14:58 to 17:47
Hear Jim Abbott share personal stories about his favorite player, Don Mattingly.
“And the story obviously is, is something to behold.”
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Yankee Management and Pressure
17:47 to 18:21
Discuss the pressures faced by players from management in the Yankees organization.
“Last one for you in terms of memory lane for this.”
Emotional Moments After the No-Hitter
18:21 to 19:29
Jim describes the emotional celebration following his no-hitter performance.
“I went in the booth with Paul O 'Neill and Michael Kay and Susan Walma, all the group.”
Impacting Lives Beyond Baseball
19:29 to 21:44
Explore how Jim Abbott's story has inspired many off the field.
“And if people don't know, Frankie was also missing a hand like I am.”
MLB All-Star Weekend and Fan Interactions
24:36 to 28:05
Rich and the team discuss their experiences at MLB All-Star Weekend.
“We figured, hey, look, we're a couple of celebrities.”
Surreal Experiences on Television
28:05 to 29:19
Hosts discuss the surreal nature of appearing on televised shows and their experiences.
“Right, because it was during the COVID years.”
Funny Moments from Celebrity Family Feud
29:20 to 31:29
The hosts share humorous anecdotes and memorable moments from their appearance on Family Feud.
“what are the top answers why you don't want to be why you don't go to a nudist colony or something like that?”
Editing and Highlights from the Show
31:30 to 33:24
Discussion about what funny moments were cut from the aired episode of Family Feud.
“Yeah, and all I could think of was, like, because there's kids around.”
Dan Patrick's Ongoing Hazing
33:25 to 35:21
Rich talks about the playful hazing he endures from Dan Patrick and their long-term friendship.
“But a lot of the really funny parts that we thought during the live taping.”
Game Show Appeals Court Discussion
35:22 to 36:28
Hosts speculate on the possibility of appealing decisions made on game shows.
“So you own Dylan Dreyer, exclamation point, from Dan Patrick, an hour after finishing.”
Charitable Causes in Celebrity Feud
36:29 to 37:35
Discussion on the charitable aspects of participating in Celebrity Family Feud.
“even though this is a nighttime, primetime, made-for-primetime celebrity family feud event, Judge Judy, do we go, where does one take this grievance?”
Golfing Highlights and Experiences
40:00 to 42:01
Rich shares his golfing experiences and humorous moments from the recent tournament.
“I got it up and down from there for, for actually in the sand.”
Golf Insights and Overreaction Monday
42:01 to 42:39
Discussion about golf and the theme of Overreaction Monday.
“And if you're watching anybody who's any good, like Matt Ryan, the ball, it's just a thing of beauty.”
NFL Trades and Player Contracts
42:40 to 44:16
Exploration of potential player trades and contract situations in the NFL.
“And a guy from a gallery says, Overreaction Saturday.”
Deion Sanders' Proposed Changes to College Football
44:17 to 45:51
Discussion on Deion Sanders' suggestions for college football rule changes.
“But if you have to just see who's going to hold the line, I would choose the Bengals on Trey Hendrickson.”
Season Power Rankings and Summer vs. Fall
45:52 to 48:05
Debate on the best seasons and their significance in sports and life.
“I like the professional rules to be implemented in college.”
Boston Red Sox and Team Dynamics
48:06 to 49:38
Discussion about the Boston Red Sox's performance and team dynamics.
“Winter, sports-wise, is definitely the best.”
Celebrity Family Feud Recap
49:39 to 53:13
Recap of the Celebrity Family Feud experience and future ambitions.
“clark was will clark is getting on uh devers because devers didn't go out uh to play quote unquote blew off some workouts.”
Transcript
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1:18Rich Eisen:Welcome. Welcome back. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. Welcome back. The Rich Eisen Show. Give me one good reason you're not a newbie. From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Well, I would say little Steve. Oh, because of your little Steve. Because of his little TJ. Today's guests. Former MLB pitcher Jim Abbott. Actor Freddie Prinze Jr. Plus your phone calls, latest news, and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen show is on the air. And, you know, those who watch this program, listen to this program, whether it's on the Roku channel or the Infinity Sports Network, Sirius XM, or Odyssey, you know where my allegiances lie.
2:13Rich Eisen:I always shoot you straight. I always tell you what's on my mind and what's in my heart and what's in my soul. Certainly when it comes to sports, well, that's it, sir. So, you know, if it's Michigan or Yankees, obviously, those are the two sporting entities that still have like an emotional pull on. Right. So if if those two should cross, for instance, you know, you have me at hello. Right. And there's certain folks who are booking staff know are anytime guests if they're on a press tour or they want to come on or whatever. The answer is an immediate yes, which it was for me when I received this opportunity to have our next guest on during the American Century Championship.
3:00Rich Eisen:I try to tap out, but there is still business of this show. I said yes on the spot. I hearted it, as a matter of fact. It was a heart. It wasn't one of those thumbs up. It was a heart. Because this man has it beating in his chest. Southpaw, the life and legacy of Jim Abbott, premiered last night on ESPN, is now available for streaming on ESPN+. ladies and gentlemen jim abbott back on the return only way i can introduce you brother good to see you look at your look at you man how are you uh thank you i'm doing well i'm doing great i'm up here in the uh in the woods in in northern michigan okay enjoying summertime and i appreciate the kind introduction uh right back at you you know go blue we we're almost i think we're almost exact contemporaries in ann arbor i think so too jim i was in the class of 90 weren't you in 89 were you 89 or 88 I would have been 89 okay 88 for the Olympic team and for the yeah who was on that Olympic team in 88 oh it was one of the great teams um I've ever been on it was all amateurs at that point so there was there was nobody there was no professionals we had Ben McDonald Robin Ventura Tino Martinez uh Charlie Nagy um just a great great group of college players and coaches and won a gold medal in Seoul, Korea, and it was one of the highlights of my life.
4:22Rich Eisen:So how many games did you start for Team USA, Jim? I don't know how many I started, but I know I started and finished the last one. Okay. So I was out there for that ninth inning and that gold medal and ground ball to Ventura. He threw a perfect strike across the infield to Tino Martinez, and we celebrated like dumb baseball players do. I was at the bottom of that pile. What was it like? Again, a perfect question to ask. Somebody is wearing, you know, an American flag on the hat here. What was it like for you, medal ceremony, hearing the national anthem? Jim, what was it like for you? It was insane.
5:01It was, you know, the Olympics for us, baseball players, it's strange. You see these great athletes and you see them walking around the village and you know that they're built for their competition, that you can almost tell what they do just by looking at them. And their individual accomplishments are crazy. I'm a huge Olympics fan. But I was so thankful to stand on that podium with 24 other teammates, you know, because it was the elation we felt, the excitement we felt was so shared and palpable that it was just one of the most incredible, indelible feelings of my life.
5:39Rich Eisen:Well, I remember seeing you play at the University of Michigan, Jim. and I might have told you this story the last time you've been on or whatever, so forgive me. We have a new audience here anyway, potentially. I remember, because I covered the Michigan baseball team, it was the first big beat that I got for the Michigan Daily, the greatest student publication known to man. And I remember Bud Middall was your manager, was your coach, and it was a doubleheader, and you started the first game, and I think you pitched a shutout. I just remember you were incredibly impressive. But the second game, Middaw put you at the plate to prove to a whole bunch of National League scouts that you could hit despite the fact that you were born without a right hand.
6:26Rich Eisen:Do you remember that day and what you did up at the plate that day, Jim, or you don't remember? Because I remember. I wish I had one of those brains that remembers every game. Some guys I know know every pitch, but I don't remember. I remember pitching, you know, obviously there, but I remember hitting. Well, you hit, you laced a line drive to the gap for an extra base hit, Jim. And I remember that there were a bunch of scouts because I saw their briefcases in which they brought their, you know, their jugs gun. And there was like the Giants, there were the Mets, there were all sorts of National League scouts that were in the crowd.
7:03Rich Eisen:Did you feel you had to prove yourself to National League scouts when you were coming up back in the day, Jim? Well, I think they knew I could hit. I just had to prove my speed. That was the... Right. No, I didn't think too much about that. I always fancied myself a pretty good hitter from high school on, and none of my coaches seemed to agree. I did end up playing for the Brewers at the end of my career and got two base hits in the big leagues, both off of John Lieber. Nice. One in Wrigley Field, which is another two-hour documentary we can talk about. I loved hitting. The only thing I really know about hitting is that it's hard to do.
7:50I faced Greg Maddox in the big leagues one time, and every pitch seemed to be coming out of the same exact hand location, and every pitch was just a little bit different. So it's really hard. Even what you would classify as an average MLB pitcher is incredible. The talent level is amazing. The time you have, the lack of time you have to react is insane.
8:18Rich Eisen:I'm going to take a stab at this. Were Larkin and Sabo teammates of yours at any point in time at Michigan, or do you need an overlap? Larkin would have been a senior when I was a freshman. Okay. And he went pro with the Reds, And I believe that's the same thing for Sabo and Lark after that. But they had some great teams just before I got there. No doubt. No doubt. Jim Abbott here on the Rich Eisen Show. Obviously, let's talk about September 4th, 1993. I just saw Baker Mayfield at the American Century Championships. I'll ask a Mayfield-related sort of question. Did you wake up dangerous that day, Jim?
8:52Rich Eisen:Did you wake up dangerous that morning on September 4th, 1993? I love that. No, actually the opposite. To be dead truthful, I had been traded to the Yankees. It hadn't been a perfect season to me to that point. I faced the Indians in my previous start in Cleveland, got shelled, didn't make it out of the third inning. There were whispers of, you know, disappointment within the organization and in the media. And that was the backdrop. I didn't feel dangerous going to the ballpark that morning. In fact, the game felt dangerous to me. And, you know, it just everything, it was magical. Things just went right.
9:35My teammates made incredible plays. And I loved pitching in Yankee Stadium. It was a day game. Matty Noakes was our catcher that day. And his enthusiasm. And Donnie Mattingly at first. Wade Boggs had an incredible game at third base. Just a magical day when everything went right.
9:54Rich Eisen:Look at that picture on the screen right there. What does this bring back for you right here? Just the joy. Look at Mike Gallego there. He must be four feet in the air for him to be. That's right. I think that's Boggs that he's kind of riding horseback right there. You know what I mean? To use another Boggs moment in the history of Yankee Stadium. And then a look at Matt Noakes there, a longtime Tiger as well from the state of Michigan there. I mean, I'm just wondering what this moment elicits from you right now, Jim. You know, just the joy. Like the Olympics, the shared experience. You know, Matty Noakes, look at the excitement on his face.
10:38And Wade Boggs was a tremendous teammate. and what I loved about Bogsy, and there's a lot of funny stories about Wade, and he'll even tell them himself. He loved and had a deep appreciation for the history of the game, for the Red Sox, for the Yankees. He took it very, very seriously. Every at-bat, he took his fielding, the conditioning of the field, and after that no-hitter, there was a gleam in his eyes. I picked up on it. He was more excited than I was about just the history of what was going on, and I'll never forget that reaction. Yeah, and I'm just again wondering, you mentioned how you get shelled
11:24Rich Eisen:in the start before. It makes sense too, Jim. I mean, Lofton, Carlos Baerga, Albert Bell, Manny Ramirez, Jim Tomey in the lineup on the day you threw that no-hitter against those guys. that's a hell of a lineup. I mean, and I'm wondering if any memories of the game about pitching to these guys and what the stresses it might have put on you while you were doing this thing. Yeah, in doing the film with Jeremy Schaap, who's the interviewer and reporter, he's so great. He's the best, man. Oh my God. He's encyclopedic with his knowledge of baseball. And I think he added up all the home runs in that lineup And it was some extraordinary amount that you would probably rank up there with a lot of different teams.
12:12But, you know, what I remember, Rich, is I remember getting to the ballpark early. And Matty Noakes, like you mentioned, former Tiger, he wasn't our primary catcher. So he was in the lineup for a day game, still a great ball player. And he showed up with the Indians lineup card. and we were going over all their strengths, Lofton's speed and Bayerga's average and Bell's power. Manny Ramirez just got called up to that team. And finally, Matty just threw the lineup card on the table and said, you know what? I don't care about what they do. Let's get back to what you do best. Let's mix it up a little bit.
12:53Let's throw a few more breaking balls. But for the most part, you've seen my mitt and you throw it through my mitt. Let's trust it. And that was the game plan. You know, I loved Yankee Stadium. The national anthem played. I wiped off the pitching rubber and, you know, just set out on this course that would honestly change my life.
13:12Rich Eisen:When did you realize that this could be happening? You know, I didn't really think about it much until after the sixth inning was over. I was sitting in the dugout and, you know, everybody knows baseball's dumb superstition. The teammates They're a little bit quieter in the dugout. You know, there is an acknowledgement kind of what's going on. And, you know, but I knew how fickle something like this is. And I had had a no-hitter a few weeks before that in the eighth inning against the White Sox. I jammed Bo Jackson with a good pitch, and he hit it out to center field for a single. So I knew the fates kind of have to be lined up.
13:52And that was helpful, to be honest, because it was like there was this letting go of result. You know, it's just about making good pitches and just being out there and enjoying the moment. And that ninth inning, I felt it in every cell of my body, the breathing, the knees, the heart, everything. It was just unbelievable. You did, huh?
14:11Rich Eisen:I love that. You just, what did you say? Letting go of the result. That's pretty neat, man. That's some good sports psychology right there, Jim. I mean, you're just having to execute in the ninth inning. And again, Bayerga being the last out too, man. I mean, that's something, Jim. Yeah. You have to. I mean, it's like golf in that way. You know, you can hit a good shot and things can go awry easily. And so you have to settle yourself into making a good swing. Not that I have any business talking about golf mindset, but that's what pitching is. you know it's it's letting go of result and and making the highest quality pitch that you possibly can and doing it over and over again and and letting things fall where they may and in that day for sure there was a certain peacefulness in that approach a few minutes left here with jim abbott southpaw the life and legacy of jim abbott again premiered last night on espn available now for streaming on espn plus it's a jeremy schapp production essentially for e60 which means it's spectacular in its own right.
15:14Rich Eisen:And the story obviously is, is something to behold. You got a good Mattingly story. I mean, he, he is my favorite baseball player of my generation, if you will. My daughter's middle name is Mattingly. I adore the guy. I think he is just the, the, the man, but you got a good Mattingly story for me, Jim Abbott, please. Put me in the same category. I love Donnie Mattingly, and I loved him more after being a teammate with him. We showed up to spring training. It was my first spring training with the Yankees. And we're going through the mundane, boring pitchers fielding practice on the backfield in Fort Lauderdale.
16:00The position players don't even have to be in spring training yet. and out walks Donnie Mattingly, full uniform, has his glove. He walks out to this backfield and he jumps into the PFP most boring drill just because he wanted to get a feel for all the pitchers on the team and how they covered first base and their speed getting over there. And he wanted them to get a feel for the way he liked to communicate. And that's just who Donnie was. I mean, you know, you can take him out of Evansville, but you can't take Evansville out of the boy. And he was cool as could be. He could wear a sport coat with turtles on it and a turquoise bracelet.
16:41And you'd go, yep, that works, Donnie. That's perfect.
16:45Rich Eisen:Right. I feel the same way. And then, you know, that was 94, I think, is the year you're talking about, your first year of spring training with the Yankees, a year after your no-hitter. And that, you know, Mattingly was breaking down physically, unfortunately. and he still finished top 20 in the MVP voting that year with his umpteenth gold glove of his career. And it's just a killer to me that the Yankees just went on that dynastic run the year after he left. I mean, it still hurts me as a person. He deserved it. He did. And even when he was hurt, even if he had a pulled ribcage muscle or something, he would still take batting practice.
17:25He wouldn't swing, but he would watch pitches come in to stay sharp. And he could move around the Yankee clubhouse from the group of relief pitchers to the starting pitchers to the position players. And he moved effortlessly and seamlessly through all those different clicks. He was the captain for a reason. And he was Derek Jeter before Derek Jeter.
17:47Rich Eisen:Last one for you in terms of memory lane for this. You mentioned earlier, Jim, that you heard rumblings about some disappointment within Yankee management after you got shelled by Cleveland. That sounds like that could come from a certain shipbuilder from the city of Cleveland who did not like losing, period, let alone to the hometown team from Cleveland. And George M. Steinbrenner III, the owner of the New York Yankees, would I be accurate in saying some of those rumblings came from that particular office of the Yankee team? would be very accurate
18:26Rich Eisen:but I'm sure he might have been the first one after you threw that no hitter in Yankee Stadium against Cleveland whatever he might have been upset about went out the window right there what was he like after you threw on that no hitter Rich he was amazing there was a bottle of champagne a magnum of champagne in my locker I got a beautiful engraved cigar box made for the Yankee organization. And I went to Yankee Stadium last week. I threw out the first pitch. I went in the booth with Paul O 'Neill and Michael Kay and Susan Walma, all the group. And they just rolled out the red carpet. And I was struck, honestly, for all the talk of the tumultuousness of the Yankee organization.
19:12There were so many friends in the front office, insecurity in every role who were still there and there it was emotional there was a lot of hugs and and just the way you know their welcome their generosity with this film has been absolutely heartwarming to me it means a lot do you still have stuff from that day what do you got what do you yeah i um i have my favorite memorabilia i got to the ballpark the next day and the grounds crew Frankie was, I forget, I don't have his last name right now, but Frankie was the leader of the Grounds crew. And if people don't know, Frankie was also missing a hand like I am.
19:53And when I got to the ballpark the next morning, slight headache, the Grounds crew called me on the field and they dug out the pitching rubber out of the mound. And they had every player on the Yankees sign it. Wow. Yeah, for people who don't know, the pitching rubber is a big hunk of rubber and metal, and it's not easy to get out of the ground. And they pulled it out. They had everybody sign it, and we took a picture with it, and it sits in my office to this day. It's my proudest piece of memorabilia from my career. Jeez.
20:26Rich Eisen:Before I let you go, Jim, what do you want people to know about your story? Obviously, there's this beautiful film that Jeremy Schaap put all of his heart and soul into, which means it's beautiful and it's a heck of a story. But I'll just give you the last word here on what you want people to know, Jim Abbott. You know, and Mike Farrell directed it and edited it, and I tip my cap to them. I just want them to know, Rich, whether it's me pitching or you doing your show or whatever it is that you might be doing, going about your job, going about your passion, raising a family. There's people watching and there's people seeing how you go about that.
21:09And there's people that you can make an impact with by going just a little above and beyond. And this story talks a lot about the kids and the families that we worked with, with the Yankees, with the Angels throughout my career, that I didn't think it was that big a deal to meet with them in the corridors of these stadiums. And yet you see the things that they're doing now, doctors and lawyers and MMA fighters and football players, Shaquem Griffin. You know, it's just it's an amazing, impactful thing to know that you can make that kind of difference in somebody's life.
21:44Rich Eisen:Jim Abbott you're awesome man you're awesome and I love having you on whenever you know whenever you want there's always a place here for you on my program thanks for everything that you've done and what you stand for and go blue sir go blue I'm a big fan Rich thanks for having me again Jim Abbott thank you sir Jim Abbott Southpaw the life and legacy Jim Abbott is now available on ESPN plus please take the time to go stream it and that means you can get it right here on Roku. Great stuff right there from Jim Abbott. Northern Michigan, beautiful part of the country. I don't know if you've ever been there.
22:19Rich Eisen:I don't know if he's in the UP or not, but that's Mariucci country. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Just a delight. Catching up with Jim Abbott. Any Mattingly stories where he comes off as great means it's true. You know how I feel. Taylor's middle name is Mattingly for a reason. Donnie Baseball! Oh, God. but I don't, don't, don't, let's not, let's not go there. I finished second to last in that story or a DFL in that story. DFL in that story. Okay. Very good. 844-204-RICH number to dial right here on the program. Overreaction Monday on a Monday coming up. Replace your worn out wiper blades during O-Rewards member appreciation month at O 'Reilly Auto Parts.
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24:36Rich Eisen:Brockman and Del Tufo here. We're in Washington, D.C. for MLB All-Star Weekend. Mike, this is a huge one. Biggest week of the year for the MLB. We figured, hey, look, we're a couple of celebrities. Let's have ourselves a home run derby. Now, with a little twist. I'm gonna pitch, you're gonna hit, you get five outs. Can you get one home run off of me, yes or no? I'm gonna go yard at least once. At least once? Yeah. No chance, Mikey. All right, Mike, here we go. We're gonna soft toss. Let's get you to practice, okay? Just level swing, level swing. Take a full swing, Mike. Really hit the ball. Well, you're supposed to hit it.
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25:10Rich Eisen:All right, Mikey, that was your warm up. Now, the competition is for real. Anything that's not a home run is an out. You get five outs. You got to get it in the air past me. That counts as a home run. Anything else, swing and a miss. Ground ball, foul ball, out.
25:29Rich Eisen:Oh, that's one. Oh, that's two outs.
25:40Rich Eisen:That's three outs Mike. Two left big boy.
25:47Rich Eisen:Down to his final out. I want you to get at least one. Let's try to get one here. We'll get one. All right, let's go. Going yard. I think he just called the shot. He called the shot.
26:09Oh my God, I can't believe he did it. Oh, I guess he won this one. So, O Perteo, or whatever he says. In the Don Carlo, in Del Tufo. That's how it all goes to Fido.
26:29Rich Eisen:From the archives, everybody. Magic of editing. Yeah. All right, before we get to Overreaction Monday, Let's get to Jimmy in San Antonio. What's up, Jimmy? One of our favorites. What's up, Jimmy? What's up, muchacho? That's losers, Rich. But you didn't lose at Lake Tahoe. No, not at the American Century Championship, Jimmy. Nope, not at all. Yeah, but they don't hook me up like they hook you up. Okay, sounds good. Well, I would like to discuss the performance on Family Feud, but first I have a cease and desist. on one of my fantasy football names that I gave to you guys. Okay. What is it? Take Ginger Persuasion off the list.
27:15We all know Rudd's going to pick Wahlberg, Theragun, Pit Crew. But you can keep a plethora of squat because that's what happened on the feud. I would like an explanation, sir. I bet$100 on you guys. My loyalty is in El Segundo. I don't like Wilford.
27:34Rich Eisen:I appreciate that. I don't know why. What location is there wagering on this sort of thing? Where were we on the board? Where were we on the board? It was amongst friends, and y 'all were, well, to be honest, y 'all were plus 125. Thank you, sir. Appreciate that. All right. You want to walk through it here? Sure, let's do it. What happened? What happened was, first of all, you know, I don't know. it it's similar to you know what i was expressing with the american century championship where you're out of your lane and it's it's sort of out of body um even with being on television okay when you stroll out onto that set and there's the studio audience there's the board there are the lights and then steve harvey comes walking out it's really wild right like did you guys not feel well it was wild it was wild having watched that show for you since we were little kids yes it's like it was that i was telling people it was out of body it was very surreal and now you got to think on your feet and and now you have experience in this sort of thing and i'm glad you guys got to see because every you know the big running joke is like me and how i didn't do well even though i got to the finals of the show but i'm glad you guys got to experience because although when I did Price is Right, we didn't have an audience.
29:03Rich Eisen:Right, because it was during the COVID years. But you get to see, man, like you got to like come, and it's not just like a normal answer. You got to think, what are people who are walking around in the middle of the mall in the middle of the day doing who got asked these questions, you know? It's not as easy and simple as you think. With all due respect there, okay, for the top few answers on the board, what are the top answers why you don't want to be why you don't go to a nudist colony or something like that? Why you wouldn't be a nudist. Why you wouldn't be a nudist. That was what it was. Del Tufo.
29:35Rich Eisen:Del Tufo. He blew that one. By the way, what was your answer on that again, Mike? I was... You said you'd scare the kids. I would scare the kids. That actually wasn't a horrible answer. No, that one. Number one. I said because you're religious. Yeah, but that was... I thought it was good, too. That wasn't even rare. That wasn't even there. That wasn't even there. That's like, I mean. And Chris got that right, correct? That was you versus Marvin? Correct. And you got us control of the board. Yes. By saying, what was your answer? Number one answer, I'm too fat. Okay. And sadly, that was our high point.
30:13Rich Eisen:Because we won the first game. Yep. And then you got control of the board. Yep. We were off to a great start. Okay. We were off to a great start. Great start. I had a great line, right? Yep. Where we decided to Thor. He's just like, why would you say Thor, Steve? Because he brings the hammer, Steve. Right. Why would you say Thor, Rich? Quality. Right. It was great. And also, even after you controlling the board, next after you passed, you got control of the board back. TJ, you came up with the line of the show, as far as I'm concerned. The great moment. And I think this is part of the reason, because I saw some of the guys.
30:53Rich Eisen:I saw Seton at the American Century Championship, because Dan was doing his show from there. I shout out Seton. He was awesome. He was great. And Fritz was unstoppable, right? We were stunned. We were both taken aback when we first heard that we were part of the season premiere. Yeah. Like, wow, okay, that we were season premiere worthy. but we provided some funny moments obviously marvin's family being in the audience was a great hilarious moment and then you answering the why wouldn't you be a nudist is be you said because of your little steve you saying that to steve harvey he made a typical steve harvey grade a full course meal out of that moment that was laugh out loud funny so you did what you're you like to do which is to entertain while game playing you stuck the landing on it because it was on the board not as little Steve but you know after that moment somebody followed up with scaring somebody right Feli got one right didn't he he got it right Feli got his right and then I come back to you to me and I said you're religious and then Dan stole it by saying sunburned but I got another one and then And TJ, you had another chance.
32:15Rich Eisen:Yeah, and all I could think of was, like, because there's kids around. And Steve was like, are you sure you want to use that? And I was like, well, yeah, you wouldn't want to do this. You know, because some people were fine walking around butt naked in front of their kids. Despite their little Steve? Yeah. Okay. But here's the deal. I didn't watch it, Jimmy. But I did see the clip of me giving that answer. And it seemed like the entire thing got shocked out. It's on my nose, TJ. Y 'all, it was hilarious. and Rich, did Steve call you Rick at the very end accidentally? I don't know, but that wouldn't be a first.
32:50Rich Eisen:It wouldn't be a first for me. Rick Eisen sounds like he's a CPA for thrift stores. I got it. Thanks for the call, Jimmy. Appreciate it. A lot of the really funny stuff, like TJ's stuff, got edited out and they didn't even mention the Marvin's family stuff. None of that was in the episode. Oh, it wasn't? No, none of it made it. Interesting. I didn't see it yet. All the super funny stuff. They did keep Fritz doing his imitation of Steve. What about the You Nervous story that I told about Dan? Nope, that didn't make it. They did keep TJ doing the selfie. Who were you up against? Fritzie. Yeah, so you and Fritzie and Steve, that selfie that you took, that made it.
33:27Rich Eisen:But a lot of the really funny parts that we thought during the live taping. Hit the cutting room floor. Yeah, didn't make the final. I put a mic that should be up there from Steve after I beat Seton. But we were very disappointed to not. Guys, if you remember, the one thing they told us before the show was like, if someone gives an answer and if you say the same answer, it's an X. Well, you know, not to complain, but at one point the pot was really big. It was about, let's say, 200 plus points. Fritzie gave an answer that was already given. They let him give the answer again. Oh, that's right.
34:02Rich Eisen:We had the answer ready to steal. So we were ready to steal it. And again, I don't know. I don't know anymore, again, of what people, when you run into people, like I ran into folks in the gallery of the American Century Championship. That's why we didn't, I haven't seen it yet because, you know, Thursday night, that was the karaoke night. You're doing that. And I had to go crush that before. It's on Hulu, full episode on Hulu. Okay, and Hulu, right here on the Roku platform in Portal. If you missed it. Yes, so I haven't seen that yet, nor have I really heard anything other than the fact that people in the gallery all weekend long at the American Century Championship were telling me that Dan has been laying into us.
34:45Rich Eisen:Oh, yeah. On his program. Oh, really? That they've been having fun. By the way. But, you know, when people say that, I don't know if it's true. I don't know if they might exaggerate it because they know that Dan and I have a longstanding relationship where, you know, he still hazes me. Even to this day. A little problems you a little bit? I got a text yesterday after finishing, second to last, I got a text from Dan Patrick saying, you owned Dylan Dreyer, is what he texted me. Okay, so to this day, it's nonstop. But I think we're closing in on our fourth decade of him hazing me. Okay. So you own Dylan Dreyer, exclamation point, from Dan Patrick, an hour after finishing.
35:27Rich Eisen:Yeah, right there. Okay, very good. Okay, you don't have to show it. Everyone can look it up. Oh, look at who's in front of you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Technically, you're tied Catherine Tattler. By the way, I had a par putt on the final hole where I could have been 59. Oh. Anyway. All right. That said, if there is some sort of standing we can have to, if you will, protest the result. 100 % we can. I'm just saying. It was like we were told specifically. We can protest the result because we would have gotten the board back. Because he gave the answer we were sitting on. Yeah. And then. That's right.
36:07Rich Eisen:Yeah. He gave that answer on his second bite at that apple. Yes. And then remember Dan did the one about his wife and then they were like, oh, a human being. That was kind of questionable as well. That was questionable too. The question is, is there a game show appeals court? We're going. Or. Should we call Judy? Do we now, just in the same genre of daytime television, even though this is a nighttime, primetime, made-for-primetime celebrity family feud event, Judge Judy, do we go, where does one take this grievance? That's all I'm saying. Great question. I mean, look, I don't think we have a, we don't want to look like sore losers.
36:49Rich Eisen:They did close it out. They were down. They had two answers on the board in the final one with two strikes and got them both to win. They did make some great runs. Yeah, and Dan and Fritzie dominated the final round. Well, by the way, that was the thing that I was chafing about. We also would have dominated that. We would have dominated that. Oh, those were easy. And that's not one of those things where it's just like you're in the bright lights and like, no, those. No, we were playing along, you and me. I do believe, again, the Celebrity Family Feud folks, and kudos to them, want to give away.
37:22Rich Eisen:Yes, give money to charity. Which is awesome. What is it? The Boys and Girls Club of Milford, Connecticut. Which, by the way, I'm glad for them. That's off, yeah. And like you said, had we won, we had already decided it was going to be you and Chris that would go up and do the final two. So it's like, it would have been fun. Maybe we'll get another chance. Rich Eisen here. We talk a lot about battles in sports. Teams battling through adversity. Athletes fighting for every yard. The toughest warriors I've ever seen, though, aren't on the field. They're kids fighting cancer. They're families standing beside them.
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38:37Rich Eisen:Learn more at visit.kpmg.us. All right, I guess we have some video of me. Oh, good. I think this is taken by Alex Beta, the worst half of Rich Eisen production CFO Katie Beta. This was yesterday after I put the ball in that tan sand. Is this on 17? This is 17. You could see the distraction behind me, TJ. This is for bogey to make sure there's no blood. Oh, let's go. That's right. Well done. That was Susie. Oh, Susie shot that, I guess. That was her saying, oh, let's go. So here's a note Adam put in the sheet here that some of the callers are asking, you know, Jimmy Rollins made a hole in one on 12, won the boat.
39:21Rich Eisen:Did he buy drinks for everybody? No idea. I'll find out. I'll make some calls on that. Susie also has some other highlights that I guess she sent to Hoskins. Let's see what we got here. Oh, no. Gosh, darn it. That wasn't bad. We need the shot tracer on that. Where'd that end up? In those trees. This was on Saturday. Oh, you can see the tea died a hero here. Let's see what we got here. Susie shot this on Saturday, I guess. That wasn't a bad roll. That's not bad. How fast were the greens? Oh, God. Slick? Dude, bowling alley. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Oh, this is narrow. Whoa. That was dead right.
40:00Rich Eisen:That was not good. Yeah. That was not good. Oh, look at this. This was on 17. Oh, Caddy likes it. Yeah. And it wound up just shy of the green. I got it up and down from there for, for actually in the sand. I wound up in the sand and I got it up and down from the sand. That was the par on Friday. No, actually I got it up and down after getting it out of the sand for a bogey. I went par bogey bogey on, on 17. That's great. That's a, that's a positive point. Total Susie sent the one of me putting it in the woods. I love it. Golf is a good and bad sport. Again, And Suze was part of the whole weekend, which was awesome.
40:42Rich Eisen:And long story short, though, I said to her, I'm like, you know, it's beautiful walking around that golf course, you know, playing that golf course. Oh, Tom, it was unbelievable. And I'm like, I said it was, you know, it's kind of calming. And she goes, are you out of your mind? She was nerve-wracking watching you is what she said. Wow, yeah, I mean. it's nerve-wracking watching you which might be another is that the compendium of my golf memoir nerve-wracking watching you that's the bottom line you made it, it's over by the way, you made it, it's over I did make it I think that's the follow-up you made it, it's over sort of like the family feud for me You just make – it's like great tee shot.
41:34Rich Eisen:I made it bad. Great tee shot, but if you put it behind a tree, like, you're finished. Yeah, yeah. If you – on a par four, if you don't play perfectly or just – because there's no points for a bogey, two points for double. I was just on the double train. Yep. You know what I mean? Non-stop double train. Not the train you want to be on. It's not the train you wish to be on, no. You're right about that backdrop, though. Oh, it's gorgeous. and boats and some things on the board. And if you're watching anybody who's any good, like Matt Ryan, the ball, it's just a thing of beauty. Playing with a really good golfer, the sound of the ball off the club, their ball flight, it's just a different game than the average Joe plays.
42:19Rich Eisen:I took that picture from one of the events. You find Fredo out there? Exactly. Wow. Overreaction Monday on a Monday. Hit it. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. This place sucks. Overreaction. Monday's Monday. It's funny, guys. On the first hole on Saturday, I tee off. Actually, not a bad shot. And a guy from a gallery says, Overreaction Saturday. And I look at him, I point him, I'm like, I'm a good one. And he goes, on a Saturday. Look at us. Look at us. The little show that could. Everybody good? Everybody good? Good to see you. What's going on, Bob? You know, guys, not all of these guys want new deals.
43:11Rich Eisen:They're going to get it. Someone is getting traded. Mark my words. Talking about TJ Watt, Micah Parsons, Terry McCorn, and now Jawan Jennings. Someone's getting moved. No, I would think if it's any of them who doesn't get a deal and they won't get moved, I don't think anybody's getting moved. It would be Trey Hendrickson. That would be the one that's just like, hey, man, sorry that you're as good as everyone else. We had to pay these wide receivers. There's no money left. There is no pie. You know what I mean? There is no money in our banana stand. And despite him turning 31, if I had to choose, he's not on the screen.
43:57Rich Eisen:I don't think any of those guys are getting traded. Even though I know deep down you're hoping McLaurin winds up to being a Patriot for some reason. I know you're trying to talk into existence. It ain't happening. Everyone on this screen is going to get something done. Even Juwan Jennings, I think at the end of the day, they might put a little sweetener on top. I don't know. But if you have to just see who's going to hold the line, I would choose the Bengals on Trey Hendrickson. But not to trade him. Just say, too bad. I don't know. Didn't you bump into Mike Vrabel? Did he give you any indication that we're dealing for McLaurin?
44:35Rich Eisen:Vrabel, to me, looked like a happy camper and 100 % wasn't thinking football at all. He was using this moment, which, by the way, is as healthy, I think, as it goes. You're about to be in it. Take your heart pills and bust it. Honestly, he was as relaxed as possible. You know, and just a real quick story on that. At a Thursday night dinner before the karaoke, we're all there. I'm sitting here. He's sitting at a table next to mine, but we're facing each other. And he's got like this, you know, he's sipping something. And we lock eyes and he goes like this. Waves at me with his pinky. And I thought to my, I turned to Susie.
45:24Rich Eisen:I'm like one of the manliest men coaching in the National Football League right now. Just pinky waved at me. That's good. And I won't forget it. I thought a bravo pinky wave. But bravo pinky wave. Yeah, I mean, the Patriots rookies are on the 19th. So this is essentially his last weekend. Yeah, this is it. And he didn't look like a care in the world. But I don't think he's going to wind up with McLaurin, brother. Okay, go for it. Crossing fingers. Go for it. All right, play this sound from Deion Sanders. Let's go. Oh, let's do it. I like the professional rules to be implemented in college. They're getting ready to be pros.
45:59So let's go two feet in, you know, on the catches. Let's mark the foul if we pass interference. Let's do the same thing the pro game is. Let's deuce it to college.
46:12Rich Eisen:That's a Big 12 media day last week. Deion Sanders, he's right. The NCAA should adopt these. Two feet in for a catch, spot foul for pass interference. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Let's go. They already got rid of this nonsense of stopping the clock for first down, right? Right? Yeah, to move the chains. To move the chains? He's right. I mean, they're professionals already. You might as well, you know. Spot on. Let's go. I also saw something. They're going to start fighting. Didn't Belichick say that for years? Belichick's been kind of pushing this for a while. Dion also said that they should fine guys for equipment and uniform violations.
46:51Rich Eisen:They're getting paid. I mean, that's true. But just, again, knowing the way Deion thinks is that if your job includes getting these kids ready for the next level, you might as well get them ready for the next level. Absolutely. That's the point. Yeah. Right? That's the point. Brockman and I were talking about this before the show. Absolutely. If you're going to professionalize them, then you might as well professionalize the game in itself to match what they need to do at the next level. If you're getting them ready to go to the next level, then you can't give them a whole set of different rules.
47:23Rich Eisen:I'm absolutely with you. Guys, we're in the middle of it. It's July. TJ, our birthdays are next week. Summer's great. I love summer. Summer is awesome. Okay. But it ain't fall. Fall's still the best season. Season power rankings. Fall, summer, spring, winter. That's the list. No. I don't think that's an overreaction. No. Also, you add the sports element. We got. Oh, that's where I'm going. You're just talking about life in general? I'm just talking about life, but then you throw in the sports. Oh, this is sports. Hands down. No. And winter. You're not wrong. Yeah, I'm not. Look, there are people who love the.
48:04Rich Eisen:March Madness. Well, skiing. That's snowboarding. It's still winter. They wouldn't like this. It's still winter. Winter. Winter's last. No, but winter's over. Well, for sports, winter. What are we talking about here? Talking about best season. Everything. Season in general. Life in general. Give me your list then, Mike. Spring, summer. Spring, fall, summer, winter. Okay. Winter, sports-wise, is definitely the best. Think about it. Okay. Winter. I mean, you've got a point. Football is. You've got to think about it. What happens in winter? Super Bowl is technically winter. Super Bowl. Playoffs. But Chris is talking about life in general.
48:39Rich Eisen:Nice, by the way. Is this the most July 14th entry in the history of Overreaction Monday? If you're taking just life in general, summer. What else you got? I came in with Alan in traffic, Rich. I know you don't want to hear it, but look, it's honest. Honest team in baseball heading into the break. The Red Sox are better without Devers, and we're winning the AL East. Let's go. Hey, pal. I don't know about you. You're going to win the AL East. I think we all should give Red Sox management a mea culpa, right? After they traded Devers. Oh, man. Who's the one who said that we're still going to win?
49:16Rich Eisen:We did this to win? yeah you know oh that was sam kennedy you're right and president and you were like what the hell we were all like what are you talking about yeah there's been addition by subtraction get him out baby there's one voice his name is alex core who's a terrific manager let's go play some baseball you know yeah yeah i think i think this deal has proven vibes in the clubhouse matter vibes matter vibes matter vibes matter real vibes matter boat name and it's and you see you see will clark was will clark is getting on uh devers because devers didn't go out uh to play quote unquote blew off some workouts.
49:49Rich Eisen:Well, you know, at first base with Will Clark being brought in to help out for, you know, to help Devers. But I think Clark said he kind of understood that Devers didn't want to do it while the Red Sox were in town. Right. But did in fact leave Will Clark with his, if you will, glove in his hand. And he said, the next time though, I come into town, your behind is going to be out there on the field, which just, you know, goes to show. Vibes matter, man. Hey, congratulations to your team. Is there a banner that's going to be hung in Fenway Park? From the king of celebrating wins in May and June?
50:25Rich Eisen:Really? You're going to give that to me? I'm just wondering, is there going to be a, hey, we own the last 10 days of the first half of the season? The king of celebrating. Objects in mirror closer than they appear, pal. Freddie Prinze Jr., hour number three coming up. All right, a couple more. We got, obviously, the Derby tonight. And let's be honest, The Home Run Derby is the premier all-star event in all of sports. It's better than the three-point. It's better than anything the NHL does. It is cool. Give me the Home Run Derby. It is. Right, and the Moneyball, right? Yeah, the Moneyball. The way they kind of redid it with the brackets and everything, and the max, it's awesome.
51:03Rich Eisen:I agree. Love it. Can't wait to see it. Sold. I don't think that's an overreaction as well. That's it? No, he wants you to do the drop. The one more drop that you know is in every single one of these segments. Well, it's not in every one. Every one of them. I think we need one more. Oh, my gosh. One more? Oh, my gosh. I can't believe. I did not know this. All right, wow. I didn't, actually. I'm with your son. The Clooney Cooper double hair. You're back. I didn't know. Okay. There you go. All right, we need a rematch. We're totally going to take down Dan the next time. It's all, okay? I don't care where it is, where we have to do it.
51:34Rich Eisen:We're going to own them. I'm going to be relegated. Mike, honestly, you're replaced by O'Shea. It's totally fine. I'm relegated. And we're back. I'm relegated. were taking them out we got super unlucky they kind of screwed the rules a little bit it sounds we got this this smacks of desperation i'm not gonna lie you could put out shay right because he does shows yeah i'm done i'm relegated i mean i'd do it you don't think we'd beat them though of course we would i mean that's that goes without saying that was the thing i don't understand what i see what you're saying oh all right let's try again go ahead we need a rematch because we're totally gonna win the next time okay the last time was yeah you know bull whatever We got holes down the rules.
52:10Rich Eisen:What are we doing? We get Mike out, sorry, O'Shea in. And we do this. The lights were in our eyes. You know what I mean? The crowd, the music. There was too much going on. Too much going on. Steve had a velour suit on. What was that? I know. Not Steve Harvey. Is that better? No. I don't think we're going to get that chance. Oh. To go back? To go back to Celebrity Family Feud? I mean, that's what we're trying to be nice about. Maybe we do this next year in Tahoe or something. You know what I'm saying? You know what I mean? Show it in. I'm trying to go back. Oh, we do it ourselves? We do it ourselves.
52:42Rich Eisen:But why would Dan agree to do that? He's won and it's over. Well, because he knows it's the kind of fraud you went with. Oh, it's deep down. Yeah, deep down he knows. He needs to do it again. You know what I mean? Like when you're kids and you're like, got to prove it. You're playing horse and someone hits a crazy shot. You're like, prove it. Like Dan's got to prove it. That's a shame. Let me read with Dan. I'll say this. Dan sent me a text right after the morning. I woke up Sunday morning. Woke up yesterday. Okay. First thing he wrote, you have them right where you want them. Good luck today.
53:18Rich Eisen:The world is watching. Thank you. Where's my Sunday morning wake up? Sadly, I watched nine hours of coverage, not one shot from you. That's all good. No one can take this away from us. I'm hanging that up. At least I looked good. It's Saturday morning. The game's coming on soon. And your quick project wasn't so quick after all. Stay ahead of the game with express delivery from the Home Depot and get what you need to keep it moving. Just order in the app or online, get it delivered fast, and track your order along the way so you can get that project over the goal line. Get what you need in two hours or less with express delivery from the Home Depot.
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Former MLB pitcher Jim Abbott and Rich discuss his new ESPN E:60 ‘The Southpaw’ documentary, his improbable career in baseball that included a no-hitter with the Yankees in 1993, what it was like batting against Hall of Famer Greg Maddux with just one hand, shares his favorite Don Mattingly story, and more.
Rich and the gang revisit their ‘Celebrity Family Feud’ loss to ‘The Dan Patrick Show.’
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