Daniel Jeremiah: Jim Harbaugh Is Filling Justin Herbert With Confidence

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1:47Rich Eisen:At the end of the day, that's Andrew Barry's call. Andrew made the call to pick Shador. Because you told him to call him. Today's guests. Senior NFL insider for The Athletic. Diana Rossini. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Plus, latest news and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. All right, hour number two, the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Daniel Jeremiah is about to walk into our studio. He's flying off with the Chargers, who he calls radio games locally. And he's flying off with them to Canton, Ohio, before he goes across the street to fly off with the Chargers. He's stopping by here at Kurt Warner, top of hour number three.

2:28Rich Eisen:You threw out 844-204-RICH. If you're on hold, stay on hold. Normally, someone from Staten Island does errors and corrections at the end of the show, right? Used to be the case. Well, this guy from Staten Island is doing an end of the show, middle of the show update. You said earlier to kick off the program, Fred Sanford was from El Segundo. My brother chimed in on his way to work that he's from Compton. But it's not. And now I'm seeing, I checked out the hellscape during the commercial break. Yeah, it's neither of those. Somebody at one outlaw swagger, oh, actually, Fred Sanford lived in Watts.

3:04Rich Eisen:Watts, yeah. So it's Watts. Again, not too far from here. I was like, wait a minute, that's not it. All right, Watts. Now we got that handled. And then Kentulo, one of our crack members of our production staff, after I gave Jalen Hurts the kudos of saying fatigue makes cowards of us all, apparently Vince Lombardi said that. Okay. So, John Hertz quoting Vince Lombardi makes him more quotable, as far as I'm concerned. Because normally they get a seal here and a seal here, and somebody pushes me in the ass here. That's an update on what he would use to say. Vince Lombardi meets the tush push. I just kind of went ESPYs on you.

3:40Rich Eisen:Vince Lombardi meets the tush push. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial on this here program. We'll get to your calls in a moment. So, I believe we're now on the air. On the radio in Las Vegas, Nevada. Hello to everybody out there. Hey, Vegas. That's right. Raider Nation out there. Welcome. Christian Wilkins, we all know last week, a surprising cut by the team. Signed him to a massive contract last year. He played five games. And there was the report coming out of Raiders camp after the cut took place was this was injury related. in Wilkins's mind, and the team was clawing back some money because of something that he wasn't doing in his rehab or something.

4:36Rich Eisen:Now, over the intervening days, came a report, I believe, was it Josina Anderson who reported it first? That there was an HR element to this sort of thing. A complaint regarding Wilkins from a fellow teammate had filtered to the team's human resources department after Wilkins, quote, allegedly kissed this player on the forehead. Now, I've been kissed on the forehead many times by Michael Irvin. I've lost track.

5:10Rich Eisen:But then again, he was my teammate for well over a decade. Who knows, right? Who knows? Who knows? Pete Carroll meeting with the media, I guess, for, I assume, the first time since that report came out on Wilkins had this to say. Pete, there was a report that came out yesterday regarding Christian Wilkins and an interaction with a teammate that led to a complaint file to HR. I was wondering, would you like to comment on that situation? Yeah, really I don't. I have no comment to make. We made a decision on what we're doing and we're moving with it. And we'll see how that all unveils itself in time.

5:47Rich Eisen:It makes sense for me. Man in position of leadership here involves human resources and grievances and cuts and legal departments and agents. Head football coach is going to swim, move on that one, I imagine. Right. Yeah, let's not talk about that. So I have no earthly clue. No idea. This happening there. especially now though in light of a comment from one of Christian Wilkins's former teammates with whom he shared a defensive line room and defensive tackle Adam Butler who no doubt played directly alongside Wilkins was asked a general question about the controversy involving Williams and his answer.

6:35Yeah, we pretty much just kind of moved on from the situation.

6:40Rich Eisen:You know, I really don't want to comment further on it. But I will say that, you know, whatever you're going through as a person, you know, athlete, non-athlete, whoever, whatever your struggle is, if you got something going on in life, just, you know, talk to somebody, get some therapy, you know, whatever your deal is, is your deal. Somebody out there in this world full of billions of people is willing to listen. They're willing to listen, hear you out, and help you work through whatever you need to work through. But don't make any hasty decisions to get help. Wow. I heard that. That was the only thing.

7:21Rich Eisen:I literally saw it in the palm of my hand on my phone. I just said, wow. I had the same reaction. I said, wow. Wow. We always say here on this show that we only see the tip of an iceberg. There's a tip we see publicly outside of an NFL facility. And man, is there an iceberg there. When he said that, first of all, great advice, not just for and for him to use his pulpit for that sort of thing. And then secondly, again, we're not there. I know I'm treading into waters with which I'm not familiar in the details, clearly. But I told you, I saw firsthand Pete Carroll in a room full of soon-to-be college graduates at the University of Southern California in the class that he was teaching.

8:08Rich Eisen:And it was all about sharing your emotions with your fellow classmates and just being yourself and not being afraid to be yourself and talking through whatever problems you had. And the number of kids that I've listened to give testimonials to what Pete Carroll brought about them as a collective group from this class and how they were sharing. My gosh, some of the personal stories that they were sharing with each other. I mean, that's kind of the perfect coach. If you want to share something and you need to get something off your chest and you need help, that's a guy that's there for you. and if they decided that this is the only way to handle this and move on again i don't know but i'll just say this i i have to side with the fact that they decided this this is what's best for christian wilkins too yeah although i'm sure he'd be saying he's sitting there saying taking 32 and a half million of my guaranteed dollars is not best for me yeah that too which is why there's a grievance filed.

9:08Rich Eisen:We'll see what happens. Because, you know, talent over everything, you hear that all the time in the National Football League, right? And this guy's got talent if he's healthy. And I guess he wasn't healthy, and according from what his teammate just said, there's a mental health aspect to this as well. Boy, a shocking turn out of this whole story. Just keeps getting more and more shocking, this development. As the Raider, I mean, we just, and we won't talk about the AFC, West, deep end of the pool. We got a guy who's coming in and talking about how the charges have improved. The Chiefs are the Chiefs.

9:41Rich Eisen:Diana Rossini just came in and talked about how Denver's openly talking about the Super Bowl and how Bo Nix is a completely different person than last year's almost offensive rookie of the year. Were you shocked that she mentioned the SB word? No, I'm not. If I'm running a team, I want my team talking about the Super Bowl. Period. End of story. That is what this is all about. Collectively, organizationally, personally, professionally. That's what everybody wants. That's what everybody's going for. The one of 32. You're one of 32 in the National Football League as a franchise, but only one of the 32 lifts that trophy at the end of the day that creates legacies, that creates lifetime memories for the fans, that puts a trophy in the case for an organization, turning an organization from maybe last to first.

10:28Rich Eisen:That's what it is all about. And I would openly talk about it all the time with my team and have no problems with anybody saying otherwise. End of story. And I think Sean Payton is one of those guys. Period. And this is a team that made the playoffs last year with a kid that at this point last year is like, sure, he's got 60 starts in his collegiate career. So what? What has he done? Why did he bounce around if he was so damn good? So they got their work cut off for him in Vegas, but they're a better team too. Man, you want to talk about also the coaches. Was that Florio who said yesterday The top to bottom.

11:07Rich Eisen:It's the greatest collection of coaches a division has ever seen. Andy Reid, Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, Pete Carroll. I think there's no doubt about it. Wow. AFC West. No doubt. Deep end of the pool for sure. Wait a second, though. I know that. No, no. I said, which division? Did I say AFC North was the toughest division in football? Well, I mean, we were talking about the greatest collection of coaches. I was going to do a little pushback. In a division? Name one. Well, there was once a time that Tom Landry, Bill Parcells. Joe Gibbs. Joe Gibbs. And Buddy Ryan. Well, I was going to go Dick Vermeule.

11:47Rich Eisen:Dick Vermeule, sure. We're all. Yeah. That's pretty, that's similar, don't you think? I don't even, there's no eye rolling there. Andy Reid has more wins than Tom Landry now. Yeah, but he wasn't there at that point. I'm talking about right now. And Peyton's a Parcells acolyte. He comes from the Parcells world, right? I mean, there's a lot of rings in that AFC West. Right now. Well, I mean, Jim doesn't have, Jim's got a college one. Doesn't have one? I mean. Sean Payton's got one in the NFL. No, listen, Reed's the only one who's got multiple rings in that division, but they've all coached in Super Bowls, every last one of them.

12:26Rich Eisen:You know? That's a deep end of the pool. We'll talk about that with Daniel Jeremiah in a second. We can argue this later. That's all right. I just met me and him after because he's got this look on his face like no no I but you know you're looking obviously at the end of the road Andy Reid's in the Hall of Fame right um and I think football's a little harder to coach now than it was at the end of the road at the end of the road well free agency didn't exist though like people weren't going to go there was no franchise tagging there was no free agency period like you drafted somebody they were yours it's way harder to be a coach now I think so too there was nobody like could you imagine if Hollywood Henderson had Twitter?

13:00Rich Eisen:I'm serious. I'm also just talking about the complexity of offenses and defensive schemes. No, I'm talking about if TMZ existed when Lawrence Taylor was on the Giants. Well, yeah, the whole other set of issues there. But that's what coaches have to deal with today. And by the end of the day, you know, the Lawrence Taylor podcast. Let's talk it out here. Even without a podcast, think about what Bill had to deal with LT. Like, I don't care if it was today or 20 years ago. There is nobody. You thought Christian Wilkins was kissing the dude on the head was a problem. Dude. LT was in the, we know what he was doing.

13:35Rich Eisen:I told you that story. I told you the story. Again, you can look it up right now. You can go find it somewhere on the internet. Bill Belichick on the set of NFL 100 with Lawrence Taylor sitting there told the story of how Lawrence Taylor was habitually late to defensive meetings. and Belichick was basically at the end of his rope and told Parcells about it and said LT's constantly late to the meetings. And Parcells' response was, well, why did you start the meeting before he got there? Right. Parcells 101, man. Okay. So, but at the end of the day, at the end of the day, right, Reed's in the Hall of Fame and Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and Jim Harbaugh have a shot.

14:23Rich Eisen:If one of them wins another Super Bowl? Now again, I understand Mike Shanahan won two back-to-back, and he's still not in. He will be one day. Look how long it took Tom Flores to get in. Should be, yeah. So this is what I'm saying is that at the time, though, until Bill won his second, was he in? and by the time Bill won his second, Landry was out the door. Yeah. Because Bill won his second in 1990. And as you know, Jerry Jones arrived late 80s and he went to Jimmy Johnson. So, you know, and you knew Gibbs and Landry were in the Hall of Fame while they were coaching. This is pretty damn close.

15:12Rich Eisen:That's a good pull of the NFC East from back in the day right there. Excellent pull. we like to consider ourselves historians around these parts 844-204-RICH is the number to dial uh let's take David in South Florida before Daniel Jeremiah joins us what's up David hi Rich uh it's David um appreciate you having me on um love the show love you um DJ Chris uh Mike and Jay Feller going down the line like you're Steve Harvey on Celebrity Family Feud What do you want to do here, sir? What do you want to do? I just want to make one more comment. So I actually got into sports TV through you when you were working through the NFL Network with DeHaan and then the other people as well.

15:57So I just want to say thank you for that.

15:58Rich Eisen:Thank you. My pleasure. Glad I could be there for you. Yeah, for sure. I want to do a win-loss game, an impartial one for the Autumn Wind. The Autumn Wind. Can you play that version for the Las Vegas Raiders? This is impartial. Here we go. Hit it. At the New England Patriots, what happens? Loss. Home for the Chargers on a Monday night. Split. At the Commanders. Loss. 1-2 home for the Bears. Win. 2-2 at the Colts. Win. 3-2 home for the Titans. Win. 4-2 at the Chiefs. Loss on both. Four and three coming off the bye. Home for Jacksonville. When? At the Denver Broncos on a Thursday night. Split. Is that a loss there?

16:51Rich Eisen:Well, what? You'll split. We're going to split that game. Okay, so it's a loss. Home for the Cowboys on a Monday night. Loss. Home for the Browns. When? So it's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and one, two, three, four, five, Seven and five at the Chargers. You split. You lose that, you said, right? Or at the Chargers? Yeah. Okay. We'll split with the LA Chargers. Okay, and then you lose at the Broncos. At the Eagles. That's an upset win. At the Texans. Loss. Home for the Giants on a Saturday. Win. And then home for the Chiefs. That's going to be a lot. Those are both losses. Okay, so you got one, two, three, four, five, six, 7-8-8-9 for Pete Carroll's first run.

17:42Rich Eisen:That's David in South Florida. My prediction, if I could say one more thing, Rich, it was based upon if the defense is able to overcome the offenses, and so that's what it's based on. Thank you so much, David. Appreciate the comments, the win-loss, and the brevity, because Daniel Jeremiah's waiting. Let's bring him out. Daniel Jeremiah next, right here on the Rich Eisen Show, before he wings off to the Hall of Fame game with the Chargers. rich eisen here for gusto after all these years talking to athletes coaches entertainers and people at the top of what they do one thing is pretty clear success usually depends on getting the details right for small business owners that includes payroll hiring onboarding benefits you know the work that keeps everything moving even if it's not the reason you started the business in the first place that's why there's gusto gusto is online payroll and benefit software built for small businesses.

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21:42Rich Eisen:It's connected. And it's really awesome like that, man. I'm getting goosebumps even thinking about it because we're here. We've made it. I can't wait. By the way, I was... Growing up in San Diego and you're going through the recruiting process, Akron calls out of nowhere and said we'd love to have you come out for a visit. Zips! I'm like, I didn't want to say it. I'm like, I'm not... I'll think of it. We'll take you and show you the Hall of Fame. I was like, yeah, I'm in. That was the first time I met. I'm like, Jason Taylor in the Hall of Fame, I'm in. I'll take a visit. Fantastic. Let's see the rubber ball.

22:12Rich Eisen:Getting set to go off with the Chargers to Canton, Ohio. Daniel Jeremiah is here back on the Rich Eisen Show radio network. Daniel Jeremiah heading across the street to go meet the Chargers and fly off with the team that he calls games for on the radio. My colleague from the NFL Network and NFL Media Group is here. So let's start with the Chargers, sir. one of my favorite Harbaugh soundbites already of the season was Jim saying essentially that Justin Herbert's biggest issue is how nobody, everyone else has to play up to his level. Like he's waiting for everybody else to get to his level. How did that one land?

22:53I think it's just his challenge to the rest of the team, really. is like I think the job of anybody who's coaching on the offensive side of the ball and in this case is the head coach who has influence on the offensive side of the ball right I would argue that infusing your quarterback with confidence might be the most important job that you have and there's nobody better than Harbaugh like even the thought of like what does he need to improve on would imply that there's something wrong with Justin Herbert and he won't accept that right so he's he's he's filling him full of confidence and now it's hey this is a challenge to everybody else like we got to get better and i think a lot of that goes back to that last game i mean that that playoff game against houston where he got the stuffing kicked out of him by by will anderson and that defensive front i think that's kind of jim's way of challenging the rest of the group of like hey this thing didn't end the way we wanted it to last year and you know i know you had the interceptions but that game was not justin's fault this is this is on the rest of us

23:44Rich Eisen:here to pick it up is it fair to say the biggest improvement on the offensive side to try and pick it up on on um on herbert's behalf is the running back room in for the charges do you think i i love that kid on on tape studying omari and hampton going through the right going through the spring and then seeing him in person yesterday with that snowman the number eight on a running back which still takes getting used to to see those single digits right richie's huge he's explosive and i think sometimes you can look at and say oh they're committed to the run they're a physical team but there's an explosive element that i think was missing there were some of those 10 yard runs some of those eight-yard runs and jk dobbins when he was out there it popped a healthy yeah healthy popped a couple long ones this guy's gonna hit some big home runs you know with joe alt mckay beckton on the right side of that line and rashaun slater on the left side freshly paid freshly paid there's going to be opportunities for some explosive plays and then nagy you know i don't know where that stands and when they get him back in the mix but now you've got kind of a four minute back who can just be kind of a pounder um so yeah it's it's going to be fun what about the receiver room.

24:47Tell me about that. What do you got for me there? Well, I mean, look, Quentin Johnston is to the point now where he's got his critics, and if he catches 50 touchdowns in training camp and drops a ball, we know which one's going to make its way onto social media. But the guy had eight touchdowns last year, did some nice things. They feel that he's got another level to take his game. Trey Harris, the rookie out of Ole Miss, I talked to him yesterday out there at practice, and Rich, this guy is already, I saw it with McConkie the year before where the way they talk, they carry themselves, like there's a professionalism there's an intelligence i think he's going to be able to get on the field and have an impact right away ladidi mcconca as he was dubbed from that

25:23Rich Eisen:very chair do you ever get the credit for the origination of that i it wasn't me it was um it was the teacher that was here in the form of you know our friend keegan michael key yeah well and also was that ken to the two of us he came with ladidi mcconca yeah i mean it's a team it's a team effort around here um but lad mcconkey we saw what he could do last year how much better do you think he can be like what what does that even look like i mean i would say like look he's doesn't need to get quicker doesn't need to get faster i don't think he needs to get stronger to me the level where this thing levels up is just him and herbert you know more time together you know they were on the same page pretty much last year yes but you saw it with you know peyton and his guys like when you can put years and stack years together brady with edelman those type of relationships where you know exactly what's happening you're seeing the same picture i think that's where that goes you know to another level but man that that game that playoff game that i referenced you see the the images on the screen there against houston i mean that the game didn't go the way the charters wanted but that was an unbelievable performance by that dude he's sure he was a revelation last year obviously with the quarterbacks which we'll get to in a second for year two um you know he he was worthy of being in the rookie of the year conversation obviously offensive rookie of the year we're good it was going to go to a quarterback he was stellar um and the question is defensively what what what do we have on defense for the chargers here i think one of their one of their big off seasons develop offseason developments for them was keeping jesse mentor like i thought he would have an opportunity if not in the nfl that some big college program would try and throw the you know throw the keys to him and give him a bunch of money but getting him back as a defensive coordinator this group last year statistically was exceptional and they don't give up big plays.

27:10They've reinvested in their defensive line. You know, you think about the outside linebackers, Bosa's gone, but you've got Bud Dupree back, you've got Khalil Mack, you've got Tule Tule Pelotu. They draft Canard out of South Carolina who had all those sacks in the SEC last year. So they're still real firm on the edges and they've gotten bigger with their defensive line. So I think they're going to be good there. Deion Henley spoke with him yesterday. I thought he should have been a Pro Bowl linebacker last year he's got another level that he can get to derwin james you know playing as that big nickel is a is a playmaker for him i mean they've got a lot of pieces man and look talent they've always had talent on this team this would be my eighth year doing their games i've never come into a season and thought man they don't have a chance but now they have a mission and a culture that's been established by harbaugh and now you combine it with joe ortiz continuing to build up this roster i mean there's there's a there's a quiet confidence there so the measuring stick is is

28:01Rich Eisen:right there in week one though right i mean right away against the you know what would just is it now three time defending afc champion well they've won the division i believe nine in a row right so so i guess it's right off the bat we're gonna see what's what when it all comes down to it because they they do have the tools to win the division if everything breaks they have to win you know um game one that's number one because that's the team that you have to beat to win the division and then their next two are in division. They start with three games in division to start the season. So that's the measuring stick right off the bat for the Chargers.

28:36I mean, I think Brockman, if we were to take, we wanted to measure Brockman as a man, we'd take him to a Brazilian steakhouse. You want to measure the Chargers as a team, you got to go to Brazil and take on the Chiefs. It's just, those are the rules. You know, just find out right out the chute where you stand and where you need to get better and how this thing stacks up. Every year we talk about the Chiefs being vulnerable. Every year we talk about, you know, who's going to close the gap. I think it's a requirement that you have a segment in every training camp show of who can run down the Chiefs in the AFC.