ESPN College Football Analyst Greg McElroy

24:47Rich Eisen:Okay. And Greg, this is rare for me to call time out in the middle of an interview because I'm a little confused. Matt, Matt, Patricia, Chris, he's the new defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Isn't he an offensive coach though? Oh, Yeah. Once upon a time, he was an offensive coordinator. Like a quarterback coach, right? Yeah. I think he was actually the offensive coordinator. Where was that? That was for the Patriots. Sorry, Greg, we're back here on the Rich Eyes Show with Greg McIlroy. Your expectation level for Arch Manning is what, Greg? All of our expectation level is through the roof. It's probably unfair, Rich.

25:24You followed the Manning family for as long as you can remember, I would imagine. My favorite player of all time is Peyton Manning. It doesn't matter what Mahomes does from this point forward, Peyton will always be number one. And for me, I have just kind of long expected Arch to be the next guy up in the lineage that is the Manning family. And it's a little unfair because this is a young man that is still going to be starting his first game against quality competition on the 30th of August. We've seen him play two teams. Well, start against two teams. That was Mississippi State last year. They had the 126th ranked defense in the country and against Louisiana Monroe.

26:05He also got ample amounts of time against UT San Antonio. So we've never really seen him play against the top tier competition in a significant role in meaningful snaps. Now, he's had situations where he's been utilized with quarterback run and things like that, and he's really athletic. That's what I don't think a lot of people realize with Arch. He's one of the more athletic quarterbacks in the entire SEC. But our expectation level is for him to walk away with the Heisman Trophy. He's just 6-1 right now from an odd standpoint to take home the Heisman. For a guy that's only started two games in his career and against lower-level competition, that's absurd.

26:38And while the name and the recognition and the hopes are really high, there might be some growing pains early in the season. That's to be expected. But right now he's starting here. There's really only one way to go before maybe we level out and come back to reality. So I think he's going to be amazing. I really believe that. But at the same time, if there are a couple struggles early on, I'm not going to panic because that's to be expected for a young starter that has never really been in this situation before.

27:06Rich Eisen:I've got Greg McElroy here on the Rich Eisen Show. Who, I guess, outside of Texas and Ohio State, do you think have the shot? How many are there? Let's walk me through. Tell me the schools that you think really have the shot to go into the playoffs, go on a run, and win it all. Because it's now a different world, right? It is. Even with Texas and Ohio State, we were talking about the other day, if this was five, ten years ago, the loser could be out, period. End of story. They will not make the final podium. Different story now, though. So who do you have for me, Greg? As we learned last year, Notre Dame went all the way to the championship game and lost to Northern Illinois.

27:51So what you do early is not necessarily an indicator of future results. This, though, Rich, and this is not me being a water carrier for the sport. because I want people to be invested. I actually genuinely believe, I think there are 15 teams that could legitimately win the national championship this year.

28:10Rich Eisen:15 teams. 15. Okay. And what's even more remarkable, Rich, is that if you want to just talk about making the playoff, I have as many as 37 teams that could make the playoff this year. And that includes nine in the Big 12, because the Big 12 will send their champion. I think there's nine teams in the Big 12 that could win that conference overall. The SEC has 12 teams that could make the playoff this year. Because if you look at last year, No one had Indiana going 11-1 and making the playoff. They were 3-9 the year before. No one had Arizona State at 4-8 the year before making the playoff and giving Texas all they want.

28:42They lost in double overtime in the quarterfinals of the Longhorns. Nobody really saw those teams doing those things. So I think the opportunity is there. And with the transfer portal and new rosters looking the way they look, you can totally be different from what you were the year before. So if we're going to go through it, teams that I think could win it, the obvious and usual suspects. You mentioned Ohio State. You mentioned Texas. Those go without saying. I would add Penn State to that mix this year. They bring everybody back. I would add Clemson to that mix this year. They are fantastic.

29:09Like Penn State, bring just about everybody back. Notre Dame, they got to figure out quarterback. I think they're going to be fine there. They just need a manager at that position. Could be great on defense and good along the offensive line. Great run game. They're in the mix. George is in the mix, as always. Bam is in the mix, as always. LSU has arguably the best quarterback returning in college football. They're in the mix, assuming their offensive line plays really well. I would put Oregon in the mix. They're very, very young, but they're outrageously talented. So if they mature quickly, they could be one of the players at the very end.

29:37Carson Beck's at Miami. He replaces Cam Ward, but Carson Beck two years ago was supposed to be the first overall pick last year. Didn't materialize. He now gets a fresh start at Miami, and they have everything else you could possibly want along both lines of scrimmage. I think South Carolina has Lenore Sellers, who has one of the highest ceilings at quarterback in the entire country. I also think Oklahoma is a team that not enough people are talking about right now. But their quarterback, John Mateer, he was at Washington State. That's where Cam Ward was a couple years ago. His numbers were far superior to Cam Ward at Washington State.

30:10Now, Cam Ward went on to become the fourth-place Heisman Trophy voter getter last year, went on to become the first overall pick. Now, John Mateer's at Oklahoma. They're going to be good on defense, but if they can just figure out quarterback, they were 91st last year in total QBR. John Mateer was top 25. That's a 55-spot improvement, or a significant improvement, 75 spot improvement, 25, 60, whatever, whatever the numbers are. Alabama guy here. Don't know the math. Doesn't matter. Nice. But if they improve drastically at that spot, that could be a contender as well as kind of one of those dark horse teams.

30:41There's a few others that I didn't list, but man, there are a lot of teams that could legitimately bring it home this year.

30:45Rich Eisen:There's one team I didn't hear you mention. Didn't hear you mention Michigan. I know you wanted me to say Michigan. There has been two true freshman quarterbacks that have won the national championship. One was Trevor Lawrence in 2018. If you look at his supporting cast, vastly different than that of what Bryce Underwood's going to be taking the field with and Jamel Holloway in 1985. So if you have a true freshman quarterback, with all due respect, I'm going to play the odds in this scenario. And I just have a hard time thinking that they're going to be good enough to win the 90 this year. So I hate saying that on your program.

31:19No, it's OK, Greg. These are facts. These are facts.

31:22Rich Eisen:You told me facts. You told me numbers, even though you just basically said, you know, you have trouble with numbers. I understand. I understand all that. So Bryce Underwood's level of expectation for him is what? Like giving Michigan a chance at the playoffs and not winning in the playoffs? Making the playoffs? Are they, what do you got for me on that front? They can make the playoffs for sure. If you really look at them last year, think about this, okay? Yards per dropback, which is the number one indicator right now because of the quarterback spot, yards per dropback, rush yards are affected by sacks, all those things.

32:04Yards per dropback last year, Michigan was 130th out of 135 teams. That is unthinkable when you really look at things. Trust me, it was difficult to watch.

32:17Rich Eisen:I can't even believe those numbers, to be honest with you. The other teams behind them were some schools you might not even know existed or played high-level football. I get it, Greg. You made your point about last year. Not trying to twist the knife, but it's going to be vastly improved. I still think they'll be good on defense. They should be good running the football. I don't know about his weapons. That is a legit concern. But he's going to be a significant upgrade over what they had last year. So it wouldn't surprise me at all if Michigan is dangerous. And it wouldn't surprise me at all if they get to an 8-4, 9-3, which would have you right on the edge of playoff consideration.

32:51Right. I just have a hard time thinking they could win four games in the postseason with a young quarterback that's still kind of trying to figure things out.

32:57Rich Eisen:I know. He does quarterback a team that did, however, win a fourth consecutive game against the Buckeyes. Just saying, not, you know, Julian saying, just saying, you know, Greg McIlroy here on the Rich Eisen Show. All right. And the Heisman race, give it to me. Well, I know it's silly mid-August, but we like setting stages at this part of the year. So what do you got for me there? I'm still voting for Shador this year. I don't even care if he's playing. I'm just still voting for him now. Okay, I get it. I see you, Greg McElroy. You know what's funny is the Heisman is a popularity contest, and that's okay.

33:37But I do think this could be a year in which it's going to be determined by Heisman moments like most of the time is. Last year, the sheer quantity of snaps played by Travis Hunter, it was unthinkable that anyone could be able to unseat him. This year, there's a number of guys that would consider. It's going to a quarterback. Didn't go to a quarterback last year. I think it reverts back to a quarterback award this season. Arch Manning is without question the man to beat because he just has so much recognition and so much built-up goodwill amongst the voter pool. The one guy, if I'm going to give you a bit of a sleeper, it would be John Matera at Oklahoma.

34:08Keep an eye on him. Then I would also keep an eye on DJ Lagway at Florida. They have a bunch of big games this year at LSU, at Miami, a game against Georgia there at the neutral side. Florida's schedule is ridiculous. He also plays against Arch Manning head-to-head there in Florida, at Gainesville, in the Swamp. So I do think that there are just so many potential Heisman moments that DJ Lagoe could have that I wouldn't be surprised if his name's entered in the conversation as well.

34:36Rich Eisen:All right, Greg McElroy, greatly appreciate your time. Anything I didn't ask you that I should be asking you about? I just want to know who to draft in the seventh round. What defense should I take this year in fantasy? Denver. Yeah. What if they're gone? Give me another one. Pittsburgh's always my go-to safe. I mean, the Ravens are always a good one, right? Philly Ravens, Steelers. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Minnesota might be a good sleeper. Yeah. We're not, we're not telling anything that he doesn't really already know. Who are you in a fantasy league with? We have a handful of buddies on the block and I have not won ever.

35:11a little too close to it I think so I think I need to just pull back maybe take the reins off maybe allow my wife to pick a few rounds and she'll do great because I clearly have no chance.

35:22Rich Eisen:Is Saban in your fantasy league? Occasionally you know we try to sneak him in we send it to his email and it gets bounced back that that email doesn't exist who would have thought that you know Nick Saban at Bama wouldn't respond. We all know he has AOL, Greg. Come on. They did away with dial-up, though. I saw that recently. We all know. Is he an Earthlink guy? Earthlink in GeoCities? Did we ever ask them this question? I don't know, actually. You both just got in my ear independently and asked, the maddest you ever made Nick Saban? Probably recently when I said that it was a possibility and just talking to folks like maybe coach would come back.

36:12You know, it's like, and it was kind of like a throwaway line. It wasn't, I wasn't trying to break news. Like I'm an analyst, I'm not a reporter. Like I don't try to break news. I asked Paul Feinbaum, hey, Paul, do you think coach would ever come back? Essentially. And it became Greg McElroy indicates that Nick Saban might return to coaching. So I think maybe that was it. Did you hear from him?

36:30Rich Eisen:No, did you hear from him? Did Nick call you up and say, what the hell are you saying that for? No, but last night at the Nick Saban Legacy Award, he did say that I need to get my ASS kicked. So maybe, you know, I've had it kicked many times by him. So I'm perfectly fine by that. Very comfortable at 37 years old. I got plenty of chewings back in college for sure. There are a handful that stand out, but I don't know if we have the time nor if we're allowed to say those stories. You're on a few minutes. I think we could squeeze one in, Greg. I mean, you know. Or we could follow up. Do you really think Nick is retired?

37:08Rich Eisen:I mean, because I think he would never come back. He wins every single weekend right now. I think life is good if you're Nick Saban. Play a lot of golf, and the only losses he's experienced right now are$4 to Brad Fax in the putting contest. I think he's in pretty good shape. Actually, here's one last one for you. What does Belichick's first season look like in North Carolina? What do you think? It's going to be better than you realize. When you really look at their schedule, Rich, It's kind of amazing because we are all in the media. We're all looking for that next, hey, Coach Prime type of experience.

37:42Like we're something to kind of rally around to have something that's polarizing. And then I'm starting to kind of dive into their personnel. The personnel will tell you nothing. There's too many new faces, too many new pieces. There's no telling what they're going to look like offensively or defensively. But then you look at the schedule. And amongst the power four schedules in college football this year, it might be one of the most manageable. And I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just saying it's manageable with how it lays out. They have TCU on Labor Day night. That's Monday night. It's at home.

38:12That's one of their toughest games. They get through that one where they're a slight dog. TCU is going to be pretty good. They get through that one. They're going to be 4-0 coming off a bye with Clemson coming to them. There'll be a double-digit dog in that game. But at home, you never know. Throw your best punch and we'll see what happens. After that Clemson game, let's say they lose it. They're 4-1. They will be favored in every game right now. I'll look ahead lines so it could adjust. They'll be favored in every game up until the final game of the season where they go on the road to NC State.

38:41So they beat TCU. They lose to Clemson. They could be 10-1 before they go on the road to Raleigh to play against the Wolfpack. And we know that if you're 10-1 or better, 10-2 or better, you're going to be in the playoff mix. I'm not suggesting that happens because there's too many questions about the personnel, but the schedule is really favorable. and if he beats the teams he's supposed to beat, they might find themselves in like the top 15 this year, which would be mind-blowing to think what he might do in college football.

39:07Rich Eisen:Let's get Belichick's Carolina Tar Heels in the playoffs and see what happens. Seriously, Belichick is – and that would spook any opposing coaching staff. Bill Belichick in a win-or-go-home situation, you versus him. Okay, let's roll. I can't wait to see it. Greg, thanks for the time. We'll chat down the line certainly during the college football season. Appreciate the time. Thanks, guys. Appreciate y 'all. That's Greg McElroy here on the Rich Eisen Show. Wow. By the way, Chris Brockman, Syracuse versus North Carolina. On Halloween night. You will not see the game. Why is that? It's at 4.30 our time on Halloween.

39:45Rich Eisen:You're going to tell your son we are not trick-or-treating because dad's got to sit and watch Syracuse take on the coach that's made me the happiest of any human being ever. Sorry, Cage. I mean, will Cage, I mean, I don't, it doesn't say where that game's going to be. Oh, no, it's on ESPN. Will Cage dress as the ESPN direct-to-consumer app? Is that going to be his costume? Perhaps. Is that going to be his costume? Daddy's going to be walking around with a phone that night. With a phone that night? Syracuse versus Belichick. Let me check that candy real quick. Reese's Cup. iPad. And it's in Syracuse.

40:23Rich Eisen:Yeah. It's in the dome. Belichick's going to the dome. North Carolina, 60. He's the one to make the playoff. That's a good bet. Nobody's talking about that. No, we've been talking about all the other stuff. I understand. I understand. No, I know. But nobody's talking about North Carolina football right now. No. Yeah. TCU. By the way, TCU was how Colorado started a couple years ago. Monday night. It's Labor Day night. Yeah. Okay, baby. Back. We are back. Football's back.

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42:02Rich Eisen:Where is Don Draper right now, do you think? Six feet under. You think so? Easily. Come on. He'd be in his 80s, and there ain't no way that guy's getting to his 80s without a massive lifestyle shift, which maybe he did at the end of the show, but I don't think that stuck. I don't think that Zen moment of understanding of anything really stuck. That leopard is not changing his spots. Yeah, because that gave you the impression that maybe he was about to. Yeah, maybe. As he's at the ashram at the very end there. I think he was more about, he just had a really good idea for a commercial. And so you, that he did come up with one of, I thought that was a neat ending.

42:42Rich Eisen:I did too. I thought it was very poetic and a very nice way to end the show. and also very cryptic, which also sort of serves, you know, sticks in the realm of the show's vocabulary anyway. So it was very cool. I liked it, and I loved being that guy for as long as I got to do it. Right. I mean, because it was born out of the Sopranos era. Yes. And it was a very Sopranos, in a way, type wrap-up. Anti-hero kind of situation, and also, yeah, very kind of what does it all mean kind of situation. And that's great. It's nice to be able to talk about a show that you like and not have it sort of be spoon-fed to you.

43:19Rich Eisen:Well, I'm sad to hear that you don't think Don Draper could have somehow had some sort of an epiphany. Gotten his act together, gotten off the sauce. I don't know. Lived into his 80s. I don't know. I hope so. And look, again, I root for the best in everyone, but I don't know about this guy. He was pretty damaged. Right. And when you shot the town in that film, Fenway Pack being part of the denouement of that film. The great thing about shooting in Boston and playing a cop is that they all hated me. Not because I wasn't from Boston, but because I played a cop. And Ben was the robber, so they were mad because I was anti-Ben.

44:02Sounds about right. I'm law enforcement. They're like, yeah, we don't like you anyway.

44:06Rich Eisen:Ben's our guy. And then that was the cross you had to bear when you're shooting that. But were you around Fenway Park for that shoot? Were you in it? You were locked in there? The Red Sox had like a 15-day road trip. So we had to get all of our shooting done in those two weeks. And we hoped it didn't rain or, you know, whatever. It was the Northeast in the fall. Anything could have happened. Right. But we had pretty much full access to Fenway Park, which was awesome. We also got to shoot like 250 ,000 rounds of fake ammunition. Not one phone call from any locals. That scene is so insane. They were like, that's probably fine.

44:47Like, really?

44:48Rich Eisen:Because I'm pretty sure that's an awful lot of ordinance going on. Wasn't there like a YouTube video of people just strolling around Boylston Street while you're shooting that thing? And no one's batting an eyelash? It was crazy. All of Jon Hamm's appearances can be seen on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash RichEyes, and she'll be careful. There's a lot of them. You can go down a wormhole, but it's not as long as it takes for Jon Hamm to make one selection in our fantasy league. He's up in two picks, so we'll see how long it takes. Okay, here we go. So around five, six tonight, he should be done.

45:23Rich Eisen:Say it again? Around five, six tonight, he should finally be done. Should I just break into his house, It's friends and neighbors style. Yes, make a pick for him. Steal a watch that you won't miss. That's a fun show. Take T. Higgins and move on, Jon Hamm. He won't miss this artwork. Wait a minute. Terzo's on the phone. In Iowa. What's up, Terzo? How are you, sir? Terzo. Doing well, Rich. Hey, man, that was pretty cool seeing you on SportsCenter last night, man. That brought back a lot of memories. I love that. Thank you. I grew up watching you guys. I love it. Thank you for saying that, man. Love you for saying that.

45:58Yeah, Rich, it was really touching with what you said about Stuart Scott, man. That kind of brought a tear to my eye as well, too, my man. Thank you. I've got to give a shout-out to that. That was awesome.

46:09Rich Eisen:Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. We're going to talk about it a little bit more top of the next hour. What's on your mind, though, otherwise? So watching Joe Burrow last night and just watching him all last year, I'm having a really hard time thinking that he is not the best quarterback in the NFL. and it's just because he feels different to me and it just seems like the Bengals are not doing him justice and that's just sad because I really do think that he has what it takes to win a Super Bowl. I just don't think that organization can do it themselves. I hear you Terzo. Thanks for the call. I'll give you my two cents here on the Monday nighter.

46:55Rich Eisen:As always, sitting there watching, getting ready to do SportsCenter.

47:01Rich Eisen:We'll just take the Bengals side of things. They just got to start fast. How are they going to start fast? How are we going to start fast? How are we going to come out of the gate and beat the Browns, right, if you're the Bengals here? How are you going to come out the gate, beat the Browns, and then they come home and take on the Jacksonville Jaguars before visiting Minnesota, and then they got a Monday nighter at Denver? How are we going to avoid going one and three? How are we going to avoid starting 0-2? What can we do? You've got to hold on to the football, and you've got to stop the other team.

47:32Rich Eisen:And the way that the commanders came out and hit them in the mouth in four plays, Debo and around, right? Chris Rodriguez for 40 yards. Two plays later, Jaden Daniels loses his freaking mind. Go down, bro. I couldn't believe that. Come on. And by the way, middle of the field. And instead of sliding down on the three-yard line, because it's, you know, wait a minute. Still the preseason. I love that Chex Notes bit. It's good. It's good. Don't stop. I couldn't believe it. And he cuts in and goes in the end zone, and Lisa Salter's like, why don't you go down? She's so awesome at her job. Sometimes the best question is just the simplest, most human question.

48:13Rich Eisen:Like, why didn't you go down? He's like, because I wanted to score. And that just shows her again. That's Jaden Daniels living life. Yeah. Okay. As Jaden Daniels. But the Bengals gave up that score real easily, and the running game of the commanders is deep and strong and playable. And all I thought to myself was, Here we go again. Pay the guy standing on the sideline, please. And Trey Hendrickson is rushing the passer, so it's not like he's going to maybe help you stop the run. He can stop the run on the way to the passer. But him having something to do with the defense, is better than him not.

48:51Rich Eisen:It's kind of real simple. Pay the man. Pay that guy his money. Can we just go in? Because that's the way you don't start fast. You don't have everybody. And not everybody's up to speed. Now, this Mitch Tinsley kid caught two passes that just made you, you know. Go yo. And Jake Browning threw perfect footballs. Yeah, he did. And so you know Burrow's going to throw him perfect footballs. Okay. So are we going to have to win games 40 to 30? Is that what's going to have to happen here? Seems like it. Are they capable? Hell yeah, they are. Yes. But you don't want to keep doing that each week. Yeah, it's not sustainable.

49:36Rich Eisen:Best way to handle your business is to get everyone freaking signed. Just, you know, midnight needs to strike now. None of this garbage of like, let's make them wait. Let's play it out. Let's call around the league. Let's do this. Let's do that. Can we just sign people? I know that sounds so naive. And easy. Sounds like an easy thing. But the best way to make sure you start fast is to start with everybody. And you're practiced up. But no, we got to make a point because we got to make sure the guaranteed dollars are in our favor. and sign the guy. Pay that to manage. That's what I thought watching that Monday night game in the first quarter last night.

50:24Rich Eisen:That's what I thought. And I also watched Burrow run around for his life. He got a horse-collar tackle down to the ground. Like twice. He was just back there running around. And it's just like, get rid of it. Like, does anybody not know it's August 18th and not September 18th? What the hell? At one point, the first one where he was really stuck, The center didn't touch a single person in the burgundy uniform. Well, they also didn't really keep their, I don't know. I may have to go all 22 on you here, but there was some run gap deficiencies on defense. So what I assume if Trey Hendrickson's out there, you might be a little bit more buttoned up.

51:01Rich Eisen:And of course, when you don't pay your guy, you're asked about it. And by the way, McLaurin, it was kind of crazy. McLaurin's a hold in on the commanders. They're home. He was not there. Not there. And Hendrickson's the road team. He was there. Yeah, we didn't think he'd show up. That was wild. So he got on a plane, which means he's got to be close. He's got to be close. Can we just get this thing done so Joe's not asked about it? Hit it.

51:31Rich Eisen:I had technical difficulties. Please stand by. I'd imagine Joe ain't happy. So, what the hell, man?

51:42Rich Eisen:Even our playback machine's pissed off about it. I mean, look, if Trey wants to come to Foxborough, I'm okay with that, too. That's not happening. It's not happening. It's wishful thinking, though. Just sign him. Can't say it's not happening. It's August 19th. Just sign a guy. He's playing somewhere. We know the Cowboys are going to wait forever today. It might not get done. I don't know, man. Adam Schefter's saying it's over. Is he saying that? Yeah, he said it this morning. They're likely to split. Does not see a reconciliation possible. Well, somebody told him that. That his information is buttoned up.

52:25Rich Eisen:We'll talk about that later on. I still don't believe it. How does that sound? I still don't believe it. You've been right many times. I mean, Aikman said it. He said it is plain as day last night. They can't win without him. I don't get it. And the numbers keep going up and up and up. Is this going to happen every single year? Kids 26. The other guys are in there. You know, one's about to be 30. McLaurin's got to be signed too. Because, you know, I mean, the run game is deep and playable. But you look at their, you know, their roster at the wide receiver position. You know, all due respect to Luke McCaffrey, K.J.

53:08Rich Eisen:Osborne, Jalen Lane, and Noah Brown, Michael Gallup. I mean, Terry McLaurin kind of raises the boat a little bit here and keeps Daniels in the pocket and not running up the middle. And August 18th.

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