Former NFL QB Chase Daniel

22:43Tom Pelissero:And it sounds like that light bulb's gone on for Tyreek. If we get a couple weeks into the season and he says, I want out again, and the light bulb is not on, Tyreek will be on a different team during the season. But that's not their starting point. They went into this offseason going, we're going to trade Jalen, but we want to make this work with Tyreek. Both because, I mean, it would be heavily punitive from a cap perspective. They owe him a bunch of cash. Remember, they redid both those guys last year. They redid both contracts for Jalen Ramsey and for Tyreek Hill. Extended both of them, made them highly paid players again, and then it went sideways for everybody involved here.

23:19Tom Pelissero:So they wanted to work with Tyreek. And you see them bringing in the Darren Wallers of the world. You see them bringing in other veteran players, trying to patch holes that they have in terms of the secondary. We're assigning Jack Jones recently. Defensively, they got their rushers back. They think they've got a chance. But when it's been this long, and if you go four years without winning a playoff game, it's a pretty short list of coaches that survived that. So, yes, there's pressure on everybody there. And by the way, that extends to Tua Tungavailoa, too, who, if he has another injury, if he misses time or if there's a coaching change, it's entirely possible that this is the final run for Tua in Miami.

23:58Tom Pelissero:For a lot better quarterback analysis than I just gave you, we're going to bring in after this a guy who does the best breakdowns you're going to find on YouTube. on X. He's got a podcast with The Athletic. Chase Daniel, 14-year NFL veteran, one of my favorite analysts. Join us right after this. Tom Pellicero in for Rich on The Rich Eisen Show.

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26:43Are you still playing fantasy football? Are you still doing that? Um, I, I, not really. No, I, I, I, I'm in a league, but I don't, I don't control it. all my buddies controlled it for me. Well, because I know we've had conversations about this before and that there are some interesting, I guess, tasks that the loser of this league must undertake. So are you, if you lose, even though you're not part of the day-to-day? Oh, yeah, they'll hold me to it. Absolutely. I don't even know if I can tell you who's on my team right now, but if I were to lose, they would absolutely hold me to it and we'd have to go take care of business.

27:17What are some of the fails that I guess that you have to do? What are some of the responsibilities of the losers of your league? What is... Last year, the loser had to go to Alaska for a day. What do you mean? Like for a day? Yeah. For a day? Yeah. Okay. They went to a place called Nome, Alaska. That's where the Iditarod, it goes through there, I think. Yeah, so the loser... The flood race. Regardless of the geographic spot in the United States, would have to, for a day, get on a plane and prove proof of purchase of the ticket and then take a photo? Like, how do you? Yeah, I mean, there's there's tasks involved.

27:59It was I think he went in March. OK, but it was it was yeah, it was a whole thing. And that was just one year. That was just last year's this year. It'll be entirely different. What other previous years? Any other examples? Because that's amazing. You have to go to Nome, Alaska. The year before the loser, you know, Parstool Sports does the rough and rowdy, the boxing deal. He fought in that. At the Super Bowl the year we were there. He was fighting in the boxing on Friday night before the game. Oh my gosh. You do not want to lose your fantasy league, Jerry. No, you don't. No, that's why I try to put a lot of faith in my body that's around the corner.

28:49Tom Pelissero:We've talked a ton about the first full week of NFL preseason action, quarterback battles. Let's bring in somebody who's got, quite frankly, a lot more experience in that field than I do. One of the foremost online media quarterback breakdown gurus, Chase Daniel, longtime NFL quarterback, is with us right now, buddy. Great to see you. You're getting a nice round of applause from the boys in the studio. Let's jump right into this, okay? Yeah. Everybody is going to react in a variety of ways to Shadour Sanders. Everything that he does, every play he makes, everything he says. You actually broke down the tape.

29:26Tom Pelissero:What were your impressions? First time out in the NFL preseason action, Shadour Sanders. Thought it went really well. I honestly don't know if it could have got any better. I know it's the first preseason game. I know he's played 50 snaps. I know this, that, whatever. A lot of noise surrounding. Hey, did you like his intro? Did you like his walk? And did you like this? He wanted to keep it about football. And boy, like his first throw, Tom, he threw a slant route about a hundred miles per hour to his right. He was amped up. He was juiced up. He settled in nicely. He played with a poise that maybe I haven't seen him play with in a long time.

30:05And it's his first game. I get that, but he was making checks at the line of scrimmage. Yes, he missed some throws. Yes, he put the ball in harm's way twice. Should have had two interceptions, but he didn't take a lot of sacks. He was a lot more athletic than I remember him being at Colorado. And people are like, well, didn't you watch the game at Colorado? Yeah, he didn't really run a lot. He was out there spinning. He was doing this. And then the touchdown throws were great. Like the one you fake to the right, it's a bootleg to the left. You put it in a really tight window throw, moving to your left as a right-handed quarterback.

30:40That's very difficult to do. And then his pocket movement on the last touchdown right before the half was excellent. You got a blitzer off the weak side. The running back comes over, pins him. He moves over to the right and throws an absolute dot between safety and corner down low. Now there's some things to fix, but when you watch him, you could see, okay, I could see the opportunity to rise where, hey, you're getting more two reps. You're getting more three reps. So it was a really promising start, in my opinion.

31:11Tom Pelissero:The upside on Shadur Sanders, the thing that a lot of coaches and scouts when they watched him, everybody talked about he's really accurate. That is a strength for him going back the days of Colorado. That showed up there. He's really tough. He didn't take a ton of sacks, which was one of the concerns, was just how long is he holding the ball? I'm curious when you're watching him, and again, I know this is preseason. Nobody's scheming. It's probably pretty vanilla here. but do you see him getting one to two to three? Do you see him progressing? Because a lot of the throws he was making, it seemed like at least in the early stages were okay.

31:38Tom Pelissero:They're telling me just get the ball out of my hands, take the snap, get it out. I thought from the first quarter to the second quarter, you saw a big improvement in going through progressions. Like he would throw some RPOs and it'd be the first read or run. There's a couple of times where they were rushing five and he was like, Hey, it's man to man. Yes. This guy's open. I don't really quite trust it yet. Let me run around. And that was on the 13-yard scamper around the right edge. The one I loved the most was we talked about it. It was the second touchdown throw before the half. They have two out routes to the left, and they have a double post concept to the right.

32:17He has to read this left to right. So he reads the out route to the field or to the boundary. It's not there. He comes into the stick route, which is a five-yard out route, but didn't like it. He moved through the progression to the through route and the through route and a double post. It's supposed to grab the middle of the field safety. And when that happened, he moved right, got to his fourth progression, Tom, and it was a perfect throw. So he did settle in and there was a couple throws in the second half that were really good, too. I think a lot of college quarterbacks really other than Jaden Daniels that I've studied coming out, they lock on to one or they lock on to two.

32:54And it's taken time for Shador to learn a true NFL offense because Kevin Sofianci isn't like, hey, just throw this guy. You have pre-snap reads. You have post-snap reads. You have checks. You have run game checks. You have all this stuff. So I think the way they're bringing him along, I think it's been really good.

33:10Tom Pelissero:So how much grain of salt with all these guys, not just Shador, but obviously we saw Jackson Dart play really well. How much is just somebody who's experienced that? You know the difference between preseason football and regular season football. How much of a caveat do you take anything we see good or bad with this time of year? There's definitely a grain of salt because when you look at preseason and you look at everything that coaches do to get ready for preseason. I mean, I've been on multiple teams, played a lot. A lot of different areas was a journeyman backup quarterback in every first season, every first preseason game I played in.

33:42It was a set amount of plays. That was our training camp play. So I'm like, well, they run cover two and we're running this against cover three. They're like, just figure it out. And so I think that's what they're doing on defense too. But I don't want to take away, and I want to be able to celebrate what they were able to do because you break these guys down. We watch these guys. Fans watch these guys. Teams watch these guys in college. And you have a big break. You have the draft. You have all this hoopla. Sherrod Sanders was the story of the draft, right? Jackson Dart, I thought, was one of the stories.

34:13Giants moving back up to 20 to get him. All this stuff. But then they actually get to go out there after four weeks of training camp or three weeks of training camp, and they actually get to throw a football in a real game. So real game reps matter, and it's just taking advantage of that opportunity to put yourself in the best position to move up the depth chart.

34:31Tom Pelissero:Let's talk about Jackson Dart here, because it seemed like Russ played pretty well in that game too. Again, he's done this. He's done way more complicated things than going out and playing a series or two in a preseason game. When you see Dart on the field, you see some of the things, even just to my untrained eye, that everybody said during the process, which was the Giants believe there's layers to his game. It's not just the ability to create with his arm, but it's also the mobility. He can be a run threat at times. He can make things happen off schedule. He makes a great throw on the touchdown as well.

34:59Tom Pelissero:And as much as we're probably getting ahead of ourselves to say, should he start in week one? It seems like that at least was a good first impression. It was a great first impression. And I'll tell you two reasons. One, his escapability and his athletic ability. I sort of slept on it a little bit coming out of Ole Miss and I saw some plays. It sort of reminded me two years ago of Bo Nix coming out. He was sneaky athletic, so he can move. I mean, Tom, they ran a quarterback draw with this guy, and there was a couple times where he was moving around in the pocket, sort of a la Josh Allen when he was younger.

35:31I don't think he's really that much of a running threat as Josh. He can move. The second thing, and you said it on the second touchdown, a lot of people probably did not see this, and I had to look even to my trained eye, and I zoomed in on a breakdown that I did, and Jackson Dart actually checked. He audibled to the go route on the touchdown throw. So you're getting smoked as you throw the football. You're checking to a route. You're checking the protection. And you're throwing a dime. You've got to get up and down before the safety gets there. And DeMar Hamlin was back there. It wasn't like it was scrubs playing.

36:05So all this stuff, it matters. Like, I can't remember the last time really a rookie quarterback has been given that ability at the line of scrimmage. Hey, let's top our butt right here. Let's go go route. Let me throw it. And then it all works together third down. all this stuff. So it's a really good start. I think Dave's called it mid, but I thought it was better than mid.

36:26Tom Pelissero:Chase Daniel is our guest co-host of the scoop city podcast at the athletic call. So you can find his thorough breakdowns on YouTube on X, basically everywhere. Chase is everywhere, including right here right now on the rich eyes and show let's talk about the saints. Cause chase, I was down there a week or so ago in camp and you know, second drive of the practice, the first drive for Tyler Shuck. He goes right down the field, looked like he was efficient. The rest of practice was just kind of a mess, and he threw a couple of interceptions. So if you had asked me yesterday, like, hey, what do you think is going to happen?

36:56Tom Pelissero:Just ballpark. Take a wild guess how his debut goes. I'm like, I don't know, probably throw a pick six and throw a bomb for a touchdown. That's exactly what we got out of Tyler Shuck here. When you look at him, obviously he's played a lot of college football, or at least been around seven years of college football here. Do you see a guy who the Saints should be looking at and saying, you know what, he's our best option. Let's roll him out there week one. I think they should start them week one. I don't think it's even close to a doubt in my mind, because look, I like Spencer Rattler didn't play great last year.

37:26And it's sort of a even ground of quarterback competition, right? Jay Kaner's in it. I think it'll probably end up being Tyler Shuck or Spencer Rattler. But when you look at how high they draft him, 40th overall, I think you have to go out there and I think you have to play him well. Because look, this is a new coaching staff. Kellen Moore, first of all, they're going to run the freaking football, and they're going to run it again, and they're going to run it again. They don't have a horrible offensive line. Rashid Shahid, Chris Alave on the outside, Alvin Kamara at the running situation. I think they're going to protect the young quarterback.

37:55And if you look back and really study Kellen Moore's offense with Philly, and I know they don't have the offensive line, the Saints don't, and I know they don't have the running back. But after this Eagles started 2-2 last year, I think Jalen Hurts was throwing the ball 40 times a game. for the rest of the time, and I think they won 16 out of 17, they threw the ball 25 times a game. I think that's how you'll see the New Orleans Saints do it. I think DeMario Davis and the defense is going to really have to step up. Cam Jordan is entering year 35, I feel like he's been around. And so I think there's going to be a lot of pieces around the quarterback that has to play well for Tyler Shuck to be successful.

38:32Tom Pelissero:I also heard this quote here. We're going to play it for you a second here. This is Tyler Shuck talking about, if anybody didn't see it, the pick six, just the route gets absolutely jumped. Here's what Tyler Shuck had to say after the game. I think for me, I was on the sideline just smiling. We were like, hey, man, this is part of it. I'm throwing that nine times out of ten. It's exactly what we wanted. He made a really good play and jumped it. So we knew we were going to get the ball back and just go drive down the field and score. And everybody was on the same page. So it was good. I mean, stuff like that happens.

39:01Tom Pelissero:It was good to go bounce back and let it rip. Tyler Shuck coming up on his 26th birthday. He's definitely a mature guy by rookie quarterback standards. But you hear that quote, I'm going to throw that nine times out of 10. I'm just curious. Again, you've seen the play and you kind of understand the things you're going through here. Do you like that answer? How do you feel about that explanation? Yeah, I think Gunslinger comes to mind, right? Like really confident in what he does. I think it's the right decision. I think the throw was a little bit missed. And look, for a young rookie, I say young, for a really old rookie quarterback, to be able to have that sort of demeanor and understanding, it just speaks to I think how Kellen Moore wants his quarterbacks to play they want him to play free and they don't want him to second guess stuff they don't want him to do that and I know a lot of people in the Saints organization I spent six years five years of my career there they enjoy that now you don't want to make those mistakes but I think it's sort of settled the man like I always when I was playing preseason I always wanted to get hit like right away to sort of get the juices flowing maybe he just wants to throw pick sixes to get the juices flowing and then comes back and throws a beautiful dime and what they want.

40:06They're going to throw the ball deep. They have speed. So I didn't mind it. All right.

40:10Tom Pelissero:A couple more things here with Chase Daniel. Let's talk about the Colts. I know you did a breakdown on this. We've all seen now the Anthony Richardson play where he dislocates his pinky short circuit. And he was supposed to be his opportunity to shine after not doing a whole lot in the preseason. Take me through that play and how big of a red flag, if at all, it is that here we are. it's his third year in the NFL and this is what's happening in front of everybody look when I first saw the play I had to look at it a couple times and immediately knew like hey like this is a day one play install meaning they install this play you see I'm just getting smoked right there the pinky look crazy there's a day one play they install in training camp meaning you should know this play backwards and forwards.

40:55It's a quick three-step drop play, and all it is is it's a flat route by the running back, it's a hitch route by the receiver, and a corner route by the tight end. If you're hot, meaning if they bring a blitzer from the right side, I want you to throw into pressure. I want you to throw the running back the football, and if you look at it, if he does that, he's able to get it out. It's a 15-yard gain. His eyes were the opposite way, Tom, and I think that's really what everyone was a little bit worried about was the fact that he didn't have his eyes in the right spot on something that is so simple now it might come off as harsh it might come off as whatever but this is just a a play that a third year quarterback who is listed as or with Daniel Jones on the depth chart has to make and it's the simple things like that it looks like he's back at practice.

41:49It looks like he's going to be okay, but you can't make mistakes like this going into your third year, and quite honestly, Shane Steichen and Chris Ballard can't afford to have quarterbacks making mistakes like this, whether it be Daniel Jones or Anthony Richardson because if they don't win, probably not going to be around next year.

42:06Tom Pelissero:Alright, last thing. Let's finish on a positive note here because a guy I know that you've got some affinity for looked pretty good. Justin Fields coming out again. First preseason game. Jeff Hathaway's not scheming this thing up for him. I know Matt LaFleur was not happy at all with how the Packers played in general in that game. But you watch Justin Fields, including on the touchdown run, and you're like, oh, yeah, remember that guy who was like one of the most dynamic run threats we've ever seen at the position, even though the passing game was up and down. Like, that's that guy. Now it's a matter of, all right, can we build this passing game around him?

42:35Tom Pelissero:What have you seen so far? Yeah, I like the way he played. Didn't get a lot of snaps. But I think the play where he runs in for a touchdown, I don't think he's going to be discouraged from running the football on this new offense with Tanner Engstrom coming over from Detroit with Aaron Glenn. I think they want to use his athleticism. This is the first time, in my opinion, that Justin Fields has really got to have an offense built around him. I liken it to maybe Lamar Jackson when he, Lamar Jackson was younger. Like, you want him to run. Now, Lamar Jackson is throwing the football at an extremely better rate than Justin Fields.

43:09But I don't, I think that Justin Fields, when you have an offense built around him, he can really shine. Now, they've got some good running backs that think the run game, they need to run for 150-plus yards a game to win. They have a decent defense. Garrett Wilson, last time I checked, is really, really good. So I do like the fact that he's not looking over his back. He can play freely. I think Aaron Glenn's a great head coach. I think he's going to have a really good time with them. But I like the way that Justin started off. It'll be interesting to see once he gets into the regular season how this offense will take shape.

43:42It will take four to five to six weeks to understand what play caller Tanner Engstrom and what quarterback like to get on the same page. But I do like what he's done so far.

43:53Tom Pelissero:You can hear him on the scoop city podcast on the athletic watches breakdowns on YouTube. Chase Daniel, always a pleasure, man. Thanks time for doing this. Thanks for having me on. All right. Chase breaks it down like nobody else. I try to sound like I know what I'm talking about with quarterback play. Not like that. I'm more of a big picture narrative guy. I can't tell you, you know, what was supposed to happen on the one, the two, to the three, to the four. We're not all 22 guys here. That's what Rich always says. We're not. We're more like storytelling. Oh, we need a lot of fun on the show so far.

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45:31You told a story about the genesis of all right, all right. Yes. All right. Would you please tell that story? Here's where that comes from. So, Days of Confused. Yes. Genius film. I'm in the right bar at the right time. And the guy goes, Hey, you ever done any acting? You might be just right for this part. Legendary cast director and producer Don Phillips. And I said, yeah, I was in a Miller Lite commercial for about this long, but, you know, maybe I'm in film school at the time. And he goes, well, come to this address. You might be just right. Pick up the script. I go down, I pick up the script.

46:03There's three scenes with three lines. And one of the lines is Wooderson out front of the pool hall. The girls walk by. He checks her out going by. And his buddy says, man, you got to cut that out. You're going to go to jail for that, Wooderson. And Wooderson steps forward and says, no, man, that's what I love about those high school girls. I get older, but they stay the same age. Legendary line. I call it a launch pad line. Like you're going to say, unpacking anyone, any character who says that and believes it, we can write a book on that guy. right? So that was one of the lines. So I go work on those three lines for three weeks.

46:38I come back and they do what's called a makeup and wardrobe test, meaning they're shooting another scene one night. I'm just going to show up. Director's going to step off the set and come and look and go, great. I approve. Well, he comes and looks. He goes, geez, this is Wooderson. It's great. He goes, listen, you're not scheduled to work tonight, but we're over here at the top notch drive through. And you think Wooderson might want to pick up on the red-headed intellectual dick? And I'm like, sure. And he goes, want to shoot it? I'm like, sure. So I go get in the car. I shoot my first scene ever in a film.

47:11Of your career? Of my career. And I had been listening to a lot of 70s rock and roll at that time. And there was a certain live recording of a Jim Morrison concert in like Amsterdam or somewhere where he barks at the crowd, all right, all right, all right, all right. Four times real aggressively though. I'm not thinking about that, but this comes back. So I'm in the car and I'm like, who's my man? I'm nervous. I'm about to hear act. Who's my man? Who's Wooderson? I said, well, I'm about my car. And I go, well, I'm in my 70 Chevelle. There's one. I said, I'm about getting high. I said, well, Slater's riding shotgun.

47:46You know, he's got a Dubois rolled up. There's two. I said, and I'm about rock and roll and I said, well, I got Nugent, Stranglehold in the eight track, man. There's three and I hear action. And I look up and in my mind I go, and I'm about chicks. I got three out of four, let's go get the fourth. All right, all right, all right. Wow. That was it. First words I ever said on screen. First words I ever said. And that was the three affirmations of those three things I had. And there we go.

48:21Tom Pelissero:Scott Hansen is confirmed backstage right now. Going to join us at the top of the hour. He's already full Sunday morning mode right now. Really? He's ready. He's going to come out here like a bolt of lightning and get you more excited for the 2025 NFL season than you've ever been in your life. He hasn't gone to the bathroom yet today, right? Is he watching an octobox? I can't say. It is. The green room is next to the restroom. That's true. I mean, we'll have to ask him. I think it's the most liked Instagram post that the show has ever had. 220 ,000 likes of him describing his post-Red Zone Sunday routine on this show a year ago when we had him out here.

48:58Tom Pelissero:We'll get into more important things as well. I know there's a lot of questions about how certain business dealings might impact Red Zone going forward. A lot of questions about that. I would think if anyone has answers to that, it would be Scott Hansen. So we'll get into all that in football as well. Let's go to the phones right here. I've not done that yet in this show as I try to find the phone number. 844-204-RICH 844-204-RICH Tanner in Iowa has been waiting to play the Vikings win-loss game so let's see if we can do this real quickly we have about three minutes Tanner you got me it's Tom Pelissero alright here we go win-loss game sorry now week one at Chicago like Seth Rollins like to say the Vikings will be burning it down in Chicago on Monday Night Football I have one to know.

49:48Tom Pelissero:Week two against the Falcons. Win. Week three versus Cincinnati. Win. Week four at Aaron Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh, I say that's Dublin. Not at. It's in Dublin. It'll be a win, and Jordan Addison will get three touchdowns. It is return. Good job knowing how long that suspension is. Week 5 at Cleveland, which is actually in London. Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. Easy win. 5-0 for Tanner for the Vikings at the bye. All right. This is where it gets tough. Week 7 against Philly. Since it's in Minnesota, I'll give it a win. But Cooper Eugene will grace Iowa with a pick-six or a punt return touchdown.

50:34Tom Pelissero:All right. Week 8 at Chargers. Win. Week 9 at Detroit. I'll give it a lot since it's pretty tough to play in. All right. 7-1, Ford Field, yeah. Week 10 against the Ravens at home. Win. Week 11 against the Bears at home. Easy win, four picks. Week 12 at Green Bay. Oh, easy win, Packers. Week 13 at Seattle. That will be a win, and Tim Darnold will have three picks. Just the parting shots at everybody here. Week 14, home against the Commanders. I'll give that a win. Week 15 at Dallas. Win. Week 16 at the Giants. Win. Week 17, home against the Lions. That'll be a win. And week 18, home against the Packers.

51:41Tom Pelissero:That'll be a 20-point plus win. You're a Vikings fan, I take it, Tanner. I like the courtesy loss in there. Thank you. 16-1. 16-1. Hot damn. At Detroit. That was the one loss that he had in there. That would be a pretty good year if they can continue into the playoffs. the Vikings are I think one of the teams in terms of the good teams from a year ago that we probably have talked the least about there should be intrigue about JJ McCarthy he's not a rookie anymore obviously but effectively he's a rookie he didn't take any reps in his entire first year for a team that was that good there's no national conversation about are they pushing in the NFC it's obviously the Eagles that's your team to beat you got the commanders who were there at the end.

52:34Tom Pelissero:I think there's plenty of talk about the Rams, for instance. Even the Buccaneers being a threat. Are the Lions going to get back if they're healthier this year? Although they've already started getting a little bit banged up. Can the Packers take a leap forward? The Vikings are the last team that anybody's talking about and they won 13, 14 games last year? I believe 14. 14, right? But they also flamed out the last two games. Which of course would be far short of Tanner's 16-1 prediction for 2025. If you agree with Tanner, over 13 and a half wins, TJ. You get a nice cool 10 to one on that. What is the actual over under for the Vikings?

53:10Tom Pelissero:It's not 13 and a half. No, it looks like nine and a half. Nine and a half. Nine and a half. If you go over nine and a half, you can get plus 120. I can't give gambling advice. And I wouldn't ask for it. Nine and a half, though, seems it does seem low. It does seem like this is a Vikings team that should be equipped. Now, you have the unknown with the quarterback. Yeah, it just depends. Like what percentage of Sam Donald season last year are you going to get with J.J. McCarthy this year? Well, but then look at what they've done, especially along the offensive line. They've improved everything around him.

53:39Tom Pelissero:Yeah, exactly. They invested in the interior, Ryan Kelly and Will Fries. Defensively, you bring in Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen. Now, those are a bunch of guys who are older. They're basically all in their early 30s. They're expensive, which usually isn't what you want to do. But those are also sometimes the guys who slip through the cracks and you actually end up getting them at better value than you otherwise would have because some teams fundamentally are opposed to paying guys on third contracts. I mean, yeah, you're still hoping 31-year-old Aaron Jones is still himself. Jordan Addison's going to miss three games with a suspension, but then he's back.

54:12Tom Pelissero:Jordan Mason's looked good behind Aaron Jones. Jordan Mason's looked good. Hawkinson should be healthier. I know he's been a little banged up in camp. So is Jefferson. Those guys will be fine. There's a lot of talent on the team. This question's in the secondary, but Brian Flores turns that group over every year. and they're always kind of figuring it out. You re-sign Byron Murphy. I mean, Sam Darnold, 4 ,300 yards, 35 touchdowns, and was 10th in MVP voting. Well, and if they play better in week 18, he's probably a lot higher than that. Everyone talks about the playoff game, and the playoff game was just kind of an institutional failure like nobody played well.

54:45Tom Pelissero:Week 18 was Sam Darnold. It was bad. There were throws, wide open people, and he's missing them. And that puts them in the position where you're going on the road. And now he's in Seattle where everything I've heard is, He's been really good. Scott Hanson, he's always good. He's in studio next. This episode is brought to you by ChatGPT. Hey, it's Bill Simmons from the Bill Simmons Podcast. Have you guys heard about ChatGPT work? It's the new way to use ChatGPT for bigger multi-step projects. And when you need more than just answers, give ChatGPT work access to your apps and files, and it can create real work documents like spreadsheets, slides, and structured reports.

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