Hour 1: 49ers QB Mac Jones, Gianis Trade, PGA Tour Relegation & More with Guest Host Andrew Siciliano

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1:33there is nothing going on today at all nothing going on but the rent nothing going on but the rent yes yes and a foul hi everybody um energy at the top of the show because there's actually a lot of stuff to talk about my name is andrew i am happy to be here second time but a couple days you get me riches off for the entire week kirk morrison in this chair yesterday raider legend kirk morrison in this chair yesterday and then coming up tomorrow tom pellicero in this chair and and i guarantee you he will also wear a fantastic shirt jacket i'm happy to be here uh rich is back next week i was joking that there was nothing going on chris brockman is here everybody he is going on i'm here mike del tufo celebrity a1 in the house how you guys doing is here instagram star mike messi sounded amazing yesterday mike del tufo mixing messy yesterday and the the the fantastic the norsemen doing the road oh it's amazing gosh i love those guys love me some messy yesterday i get it he's short so am i get over it you're short i get it i am not short TJ Jefferson good to see you sir salute are you rowing like rowing like I'm Norwegian on that cruise line on the cruise line

3:07is that how those cruises work I've never been it's just a bunch of northers in the base in the bottom of the ship rowing a bunch of footy fans in the hold with oars while you're upstairs listening to some third-rate comic and eating a buffet. It's just a thousand Erling Hollands in the hull of the ship. Coming up, and we do have a big show today. Coming up an hour from now, I do have suggestions for the World Cup. These are not complaints about the World Cup because I'm embracing the World Cup. I love it. I truly do it. I told you. Last Friday, the entire show was me saying how great my experience was the day before when I saw Switzerland beat Bosnia-Herzegovina in person at Los Angeles Stadium.

4:00It was great. Like, I love the World Cup. I sat on my couch, which is this color, and I blended into the couch, and I watched nothing but World Cup yesterday. Loved it. I just have five suggestions for the World Cup a little bit later. Soccer fans, just keep it open mind. One, two, three, four, five. Five. Coming up later this hour, Mac Jones. Who? Who? Will be here. Quarterback of the San Francisco 49ers for now. I don't know. Does he have Zillow on his phone? Or Redfin, whichever you like. Holmes.com. Is he looking around? We'll ask him. He is in Nashville ahead of, or maybe he's getting ready to go to Nashville ahead of Tight End University.

4:50That is officially back. It is a thing. Last year, it got kind of crazy. We'll see how crazy it's going to get. Mack Jones, one of the 19 current and former 49er quarterbacks who are down there throwing to help out George Kittle. Coming up next hour, speaking of the Raiders, Kirk Cousins will be here. what is a night of the town in vegas like for kirk cousins does he go check out a show what's his favorite buffet where does he think the loosest slots are we will ask kirk cousins what and then later it's a i don't play slot machines but i that's how they advertise them tj that's how they advertise oh yeah you don't want a tight machine no no no no bad tight machine bad no good yeah not at all you want one that pays out and before you tell me that he's gonna say hey andrew gambling i can't do that it's the off season and you are allowed to play the slot machines in the off season you're allowed to go in there play blackjack hey yeah as a league employee and there are rules different rules for players than there are for league staff looser rules for players than there are for league staff.

6:10So Kirk Cousins can, if he wants to, sleep at a blackjack table. I'm not suggesting. I'm not suggesting I ever have. We got to ask Kirk. Just that one time. We got to ask Kirk. We got to make sure that he hits on a 16. Oh, that's a good one. Because some people in this room don't. No, I hit on a 16. Now, are you counting? I'm looking at TJ over there. Okay, hold on. Write that one down. 16. Yeah, does Kirk play basic strategy? at the blackjack table because that's a that's a big big question okay let's get to the actual because there is real news here massive trade in the nba and the draft is this evening okay so there's also and we'll do this coming up in 10 minutes uh the pga tour was turned on its head this morning starting in 2028 there is going to be an entirely different format for the pga tour Brian Rolap, who used to be a senior executive for the NFL, head the media group for the NFL, among other things in his fiefdom, now runs the PGA Tour.

7:12And he had a press conference this morning fronted by Tiger Woods. They turned the PGA Tour on its head beginning in 2028. We'll break that down. But the Giannis trade is the news. The Giannis trade is massive. He is not going to Boston. He is not getting flipped for Jalen Brown. He is going to Miami in a package that includes multiple number one picks and Tyler Hero. It's Hero, Ware, Haquez. Yakinshunas. Yakinshunas. Good job, Brock. Thank you. It's a first round pick tonight, 13. So Milwaukee has 10 and 13. a 20-30 pick swap, and then a 31-33 unprotected one, and a 20-33-2, which feels like the throw-in in all of this.

8:06We will gladly give you a second-round pick seven years. Oh, that extra second? Can I throw in a two seven years from now when we'll have a franchise on Mars? That kid is 12 years old right now, TJ. Right. That second round pick is in middle school. Yeah, it's kind of absurd. All right. So on the surface, you go, all right, you got Bam and you got Giannis in Miami. That's great. Right. South Florida, no taxes. You got, you know, you got Giannis. You got Chuck. Everybody wants to move to Miami. Right. Yay. OK, that's cool. Got it. And he had said Giannis had said intimated at least Miami was kind of the place to go.

8:47I get it. I'm not the biggest Florida fan, to be honest with that. before California. But I get it. People like Miami. I think it's the most overrated time in America. But I get it. People like Miami. And on the surface, if I'm a Heat fan, I am excited. Try to figure out, though, if I'm a Bucs fan. Am I excited? Tyler Hero, hometown hero. He's coming back. He's 26. If they don't flip him, might they flip him? Maybe. What would Detroit give to get another shooter? Yeah. like might flip them on the surface. You get 10 and 13. Great. It's an eight player draft. Are there any players you want at 10 and 13?

9:29Oh, you could take those two picks and move up. That's a possibility. Okay. How high can you get? Can you get to five? Do you want to get to five? Probably get to five.

9:43Would you have preferred if you're a Bucks fan and look, you got a haul for the guy. He's 31. He can't stay healthy. I hate to. Ish. Ish. Right? You got a haul for a 31-year-old player with an injury history. Hall of Famer. Hall of Famer. One of the top 20, top 25 all-time, TJ? Absolute Hall of Famer. Yeah. If you were a Bucs fan right now, would you be happier with Jalen Brown? Superstar. Jalen Brown. And I don't know, what else would the Celtics have thrown in? There were multiple ones in there, right? Yeah, the deal that Shams reported was Jalen Brown and two first-round picks. Boston unwilling to add young players, whether it was Hugo Gonzalez or Baylor Shireman, any of those younger guys.

10:37So it seems like that was just a straight offer. Brown and two picks, and there you go. You got a superstar. Our Celtics tonight picking for now 27. So assume that pick was involved. Sure. Assume. Okay. Thanks, fair. ESPN.com right now projecting Co-A-P to 27 out of Arizona. Okay. If I'm, honestly, if I'm a Bucs fan, I want Jalen Brown. I want Jalen Brown. I like Tyler Hero. I want Jalen Brown. I don't want a first-round pick in 30 and 31. Yeah, right. 30 and 30. In comparison right now, you cannot trade the 2030 first round pick in the NFL. In comparison, you can only trade picks three years out.

11:26So right now, 27, 28, and 29 are the first round picks that currently can be dealt in any NFL trade if they were to happen this afternoon. If you're a Bucs fan, you just got two picks beyond that window. Different sports, different rules. I get it. Like Mikael Bridges once got traded for five number ones. There's no player other than Mahomes, Joe Burrow, that anybody, if you were allowed, would give up five number ones for in the NFL. Mikael Bridges got five number ones. So that just shows you the difference in the sports and the difference in the drafts. I entirely get it. But if you are, you joke that kid is 12, okay?

12:02Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. That kid is 12. Yeah, the 2033 pick is probably 12 right now. Maybe. Yeah. I mean, he could be. Yeah, 12. Yeah, 12. Okay, so I see what you're saying. Seven years old. If you're a... If you're a... Let's see. Let me do the math here. So 16... Do you do 20... 35? If you're a 16-year-old Bucs fan, you're not going to see that 31 first-round pick until you are legal to drink. That's a long way out. It's a long way out. I realize you could turn those assets into something else. I would just want Jalen Brown. I'd want a guy that puts butts in the seats. That's just me. Giannis might be retired before that pick gets made.

12:47He might be. Good chance.

12:5338? I kind of think the Bucs were the winners of this draft. I mean, when you give up your Hall of Famer face of your franchise, which is a bummer. You don't really want to do that. But they really probably should have done this trade last offseason or the deadline before when it started rumbling that Giannis was kind of unhappy and wanted out. But you get nine guys. You get to hard reset your franchise. You got a lot of picks now. Again, it's 30 and 31 and 33. Giannis probably won't even be on the heat at that point. And so those could be – those are unprotected. So those could be high draft picks theoretically.

13:33Could be, but you're looking five years out. I mean, the idea – yes, let's say Giannis is retired by then. You have no idea the other moves the Heat could make, potentially. No idea. No idea. No idea. So to say, oh, they're going to be bad in five years is a silly projection. I'm not saying you're silly. No, no, I'm just saying you get hero back. You get a lot of assets. You know, you could flip hero for more picks and you kind of sell your fan base on. We are going to go the Oklahoma City route here. We're going to accumulate picks and picks and picks and swaps and swaps and picks and picks. And we can turn those literally into anything.

14:06Look, they won a championship. They're a perennial powerhouse now in the West. This is the model we're going to follow. And I think that should be the sell to Bucs fans right now. They got their championship. They got to cheer Giannis. It was 10 amazing years. Some of my close friends are Bucs fans. And yeah, they're sad today, but they got to experience quite the ride. TJ, as a Sixer fan, Clipper fan, you would have given anything for the last 10 years that the Bucs just had with this guy. And so now you kind of hard reset and you start over and you kind of live up those memories a little bit.

14:40And then you go get some players and convince them to come to Milwaukee. The only problem is Giannis's don't grow on trees. So getting someone back, they'll give you what this guy gave you over this past decade? Probably not. But he wanted out. But Giannis was developed, man. Giannis wanted out. He was a middle of the first round pick. Nobody knew anything about him. He was 180 pounds probably when he showed up in Milwaukee. And he turned himself into one of the 20 greatest players of all time. And again, that's possible in this league. I don't think you're going to see anyone like him again, especially not in Milwaukee.

15:18He wanted out. We agree. It was the time to move him, and this was the best deal. This was the best deal, at least in their eyes. I'm with you. You have to rebuild. You don't get rid of a Hall of Famer and do something other than take a step back. I just think Jalen Brown is the better piece, but I also understand as well. And there is a Haslam thread here. So let's make that connection here. Jimmy Haslam, not yet the official governor of the Buccaneers. Of the Bucs. I said the Buccaneers. Jeez, NFL brain. The Bucs, obviously much different teams, but had a hand in this as the entire Bucs ownership group did.

15:56Recently went through the Miles Garrett trade. And in the Miles Garrett trade, Andrew Barry, the GM of the Browns, has made it very clear they were not going to just do the deal for picks. It wasn't going to be, hey, give me a couple of twos and a couple of threes, or a couple of ones, rather, and a couple of twos, and we'll do the deal. It wasn't going to do that. They wanted a premium player in return, and they got that in Jared Verse, and that's why the deal went down with the Rams, because they were able to give a guy, not just at the same position, but in a premium position on a rookie contract, and they were able to do that.

16:27Jalen Brown would have been a guy with one year left, MVP caliber player, but a guy that would immediately sell tickets here. The difference is between Myles Garrett, obviously, and Giannis is that Myles Garrett didn't technically, and they've been out of it. Like, Myles didn't ask for a trade this year. You did not have to do the deal this year. Now, was he mildly aggravated? Perhaps that Jim Schwartz wasn't there? Yeah, absolutely. He had asked for the trade a year ago, and the Browns are adamant Miles did not come in and ask for the trade this year. With the Bucs deal, this deal, comparing that to the Miles Garrett deal, they the Bucks looked more to the future than they did with the Browns deal Browns deal they got a premium player a guy for the side of the marquee right now and good picks this is we like Tyler Hero a lot Tyler Hero was not Jalen Brown but we are doing Brockman in what you just said we're doing more of the reset doing far more of the reset now than we did then.

17:51All right, so I have this. Let me pull it up. If you combine these two trades, it's Giannis, Miles Garrett, Bobby Portis, for Tyler Hero, Ware, Jaquez, Yakishon, say it again. Yakishonis. Yakishonis, Jared Verse, four first round picks one pick swap two second round picks and a third round pick it's a good haul yeah i mean you're also the owner now that has traded a top 20 player of all time on in one sport and then maybe the best defensive player this century in the other sport okay so on the Browns trade, you chose to do that, and you realize this is the position the team is in right now, and you're going to cash in on a premium asset.

18:49I hate to call human beings assets, but that's what it was. The other trade, the Giannis trade, Giannis won it out, guys. Giannis wasn't going to stick around. So they made the deal. They got their championship, they had their run, they made the deal. Everyone knew it had to happen, and I get it if you're a Bucs fan and it hurts your heart. I totally understand that part of it. Totally. Inevitably, it had to happen then there's the Jalen Brown part of this as well because it seems also inevitable that Jalen Brown is going to move you would think so you would have to think so and it isn't only because his name was a very public part of the conversation here in the honest deal this isn't oh well geez we want we offered to move you now you're offended we have to move you that certainly does play a part in this story but Celtics fan number one over here it goes far deeper than that well you know this is something that's been brewing for a while he's been dangled in trade offers before remember the anthony davis thing he was kind of you know rumored out there kevin durant a few years ago as well again rumors no no you know anything official but chom says it's it's jalen brown and two first round picks we take the insider you know at his at his word and the thing is is like if jalen brown is is pissed that he's you know constantly talked about in trade options for other superstars and wants out.

20:13I don't blame him. He had a fantastic season, his best season as a professional. He's second team All-NBA. At one point in the MVP discussion, got a real taste of what it's like to be a true number one guy and put up some serious points, TJ, and they won a lot of games because of him this year. So if he goes to Brad and is like, look, Brad Stevens, and says, hey, man, I'm sick of this. I want to be the league guy on my own team. Sure. I totally understand, and I'm not offended at that as a fan. I never wanted to break up the Jays. It was really, you know, I had mixed feelings about the Giannis sweepstakes and the Boston's involvement in it.

20:54Those two have proven that the ceiling for them as teammates in the last decade has been a championship. Not many teams can say that. And the floor is a second-round, seven-game exit. Okay? Every franchise would sign up for that. And so is he mad? Does he want out? Is he going to get flipped for the Clippers for No. 5 and whatever? Would you do that? Oh, man. I don't know how that makes you better for next year. You know? It's better. If you can bring him back, they're still one of the top three teams in the East and have a chance to win the NBA title. as it sits right now they have the third best nba title odds they have better odds than the team that just won they do yeah boston's third behind oklahoma city and san antonio the knicks are fourth so so why can't we all get along here exactly and i think boston can offer him the most money so if it's just about that they can offer him a two-year 140 million dollar extension that's good american money on what he's got right now and they've proven that they are can win a lot of games and be very successful uh with jaylen brown jason tatum and the right teammates around them now brad said he wants to get stronger and tougher around the rim you can't shoot 53s a game anymore i don't think that's sustainable we saw that uh this year this year and last so i'm down to keep the keep them together and keep the good times rolling but until we hear from jaylen brown we don't know what he wants on twitch or like in front of a real microphone great question i think Either is a possibility.

22:28TJ, real quick, what do you got? About the Celtics? Jalen Brown. So what's the question, though? The question is, why can't we just all get along? You can't at this point. Just plain and simple. When feelings have already been touched as much as obviously they've been touched in this situation, you're not going to have great chemistry. Why did the Knicks win? Chemistry was great, Andrew. Why did the Thunder win? They had great chemistry. The chemistry, Chris, on the Celtics is not going to be great, I don't think. There's a problem there that we don't know, but it's clearly a problem. But between who, though?

23:02Again. I don't know if there is a problem between Brown and Tatum. It might be between Brown and the front office. And that's the issue. Coming up in the 2 o 'clock Eastern Time Hour, U.S. Open champion Wyndham Clark is set to join the show. Coming up next, however, the PGA Tour got turned on its head earlier today. There's a new format. We'll tell you about it next.

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24:54Ask for O 'Reilly Veriscan today. We're going to try to stick a 15-foot jumper with 10 seconds left to win the game. Don't fall away from the elbow. You're 7 '4". Don't fall away from the elbow. But I don't think he's a bad guy. I don't think he's a villain. Really? I don't know. I mean, if LeBron goes to the heat, I mean, get ready for it. Yeah, if LeBron goes to the heat, that's a totally different conversation. All right, we're back now. Back with news about golf. Wyndham Clark, that's the news. He will join us coming up at the 2 p.m. Eastern Time Hour. What kind of grape did he drink Sunday night?

25:35Screaming Eagle is the bar. The first time he won the Open, that's what he drank. What was the drank? Sunday, leaving Long Island. Speaking of golf, golf got turned on its head this morning. This had long been reported, long been rumored. Rory McIlroy, among others, Jack Nicklaus had come out and said, don't like it, don't know why we have to change anything. They are very much changing everything. Not next year, but in 2028. they're basically going with a two-tiered system the headline here is it's called the championship series the big guns and the challenger series what rory somewhat tongue-in-cheek referred to last week is what like just another corn fairy thing and you're just calling it something else okay the purses and the challenger series are like four million the purses and the championship series, the big guns, at least 20 million.

26:33The key here is you can get relegated. Hello EPL. The top 90 guys on the championship series keep their card. The weakest links go down to the challenger series. And And, of course, you can get bumped up, but you can get bumped up now in the PGA Tour. I mean, that's not that new of an idea. A minimum of 20 players are going to get promoted from the Challenger Series each year. And there's a fast track promotion if a player wins two Challenger Series events or even a major. And, yes, there will be crossover. No sponsor exemptions. FedEx Series Cup moves to match play. That is also huge. Like that.

27:24That is very big. Tour Championship will rotate among prestigious courses, expansion into new markets. Brian Rolap, the head of the PGA, former head NFL executive, said today, hey, there are plenty of great courses in America here that need a spotlight. Would love some major events. Speaking of Brian Rolap, here he is earlier today. I think the reason for change has been pretty clear. I think if you talk to our fans, if you talk to our partners, they are all looking for improvement. And there's one thing I learned in my old job. Innovation is extremely important if you want to move a sport forward.

28:07And I think the PGA Tour is different. We also exist in a really competitive sports world. Whether you're competing for fans' attention, if you're competing for media dollars, which is the economic lifeblood of every sport in this country, you need to be constantly improving the product. And I think we looked around and we saw what we need to do to increase fans' attention and increase and create more value for our partners and felt this was necessary. So I think we look at this more as not dishonoring tradition. I think we are leaning more into the tradition, but for the benefit of everybody involved.

28:45I'll give you an example. golf has an amazing tradition of meritocracy probably the best sport in the world that i can see about you know you earn what you earn and you do it inside the ropes and you're rewarded for it and our athletes are conditioned that way i think we got away from that and one thing we heard consistently from fans and partners and even members of the pga tour we need to get back to the meritocracy. I think the system delivers on that promise. Okay, so sponsors, yeah, there's more money in this potentially. Roll App was asked as well, hey, how much of this has to do with media deals?

29:26And he said, obviously, before the question was asked, he said, obviously, in the sports world, live events is the only thing that goes anymore. In the TV and the media world, live events, only thing that moves the needle anymore. And yes, this is certainly part of it. He was asked, is this with an eye on a move towards bigger deals potentially with new partners? And the word streamers was used. He said, I'm not necessarily there yet. We'll talk about those deals down the line. But of course, our current partners and others have already expressed interest. I get the part about meritocracy. Certainly, I do think it's fun to have the relegation.

30:00I don't know that the fans have been calling for innovation. to me that's my biggest pushback from there golf fan number one over here have you been pushing for innovation no i've been pushing for the best players playing in the events against each other he was asked about load management as well are you going to expect guys to play in every single event he said no they don't now yeah they don't now i don't know that the golf fan or those on the tour were screaming for this i get it it opens it up to new media deals it does potentially make it more exciting and the idea that guys can get relegated to me is where the drama comes into this there is the hook tune in in 2028 to find out if your favorite guy not only misses the cut but gets bounced down to the minors.