Hour 1: Are the Seahawks Getting Disrespected, plus ESPN’s Tim Legler Talks NBA Finals

12 Jun 2026 · 46 min · 15 chapters

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In short

The Seahawks’ Super Bowl 60 ring and their disrespect/power-ranking debate, plus NBA Finals Game 5 preview and officiating discussion (Knicks vs. Spurs), and a “This Was SportsCenter” promo featuring Mike Greenberg stories.

Guests (backgrounds)

  • Tim Legler, ESPN NBA analyst; former NBA player/coach background implied by his analyst role.
  • Tom Pelissero, NFL Network insider (NFL reporting).
  • Greg Berhalter, former U.S. men’s national team head coach; also coached/played for the U.S. and has a son on the current U.S. roster.

Key claims

  • Legler argues the Knicks’ early 3-point barrage worked, but their late-game approach became a “math problem” needing more balanced offense and better shot selection.
  • He criticizes officiating consistency, citing Karl-Anthony Towns early fouls and Spurs’ lack of fouls while Knicks got more free throws.
  • Seahawks discussion claims Seattle is a “sneaky good” title-defense team despite low respect, projecting a strong 13–4 style run.

Notable examples

Knicks’ comeback moment tied to OG Anunoby’s late 3; Towns foul calls; Wembanyama’s rim pressure; Seahawks’ Super Bowl 60 ring details and season opener vs. Patriots.

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2:55 to 5:12

Rich discusses the ongoing sports events, including the NBA Finals and Stanley Cup.

“Tom Pellicero with the latest in the National Football League and Greg Berhalter, who may just be the first human being on planet Earth to have played for the U.S.”

Discussion on Seahawks Respect

5:12 to 13:56

A deep dive into the Seattle Seahawks and their perceived disrespect in the league.

“I did just do a power rankings of the top defenses in the National Football League.”

Tim Legler Discusses NBA Finals

15:11 to 22:36

Tim Legler shares insights on the NBA Finals, focusing on team performance and officiating.

“The entirety second half, though, is what they were referring to.”

NIT Nets and Personal Moments

22:36 to 23:14

A light-hearted discussion about Tim Legler's past experiences and moments.

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Analyzing recent games, discussing fouls, and player performances.

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NBA Game Analysis: Spurs vs Knicks

28:00 to 36:33

A deep dive into the recent Spurs vs Knicks game, discussing key plays and player performances.

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1:27Now, on with the show. And now, this is the Rich Eisen Show.

1:33Rich Eisen:What do you got, Mike Brown? The series isn't over. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. I'll tell you. Nobody wanted that job. And it's just like, I'll take it. Today's guests, ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler, NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero, former U.S. Men's National Team head coach Greg Berhalter. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Well, hey, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show live on Disney Plus. Carolina on the precipice of hoisting Lord Stanley's Cup. The U.S. is getting ready to perform in the World Cup. The NBA Finals getting ready to put Game 5 on the world stage on Saturday night.

2:24Rich Eisen:Lots to talk about with you today on the Rich Eisen Show. 844-204-RICHES. the number to dial here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, ESPN radio, and Sirius XM channel 80. We've got our first guest joining us in just less than 15 minutes time because he's got to get his way to the San Antonio Spurs arena in downtown San Antonio to, I don't know, I guess do whatever people who call the NBA finals on NBC ABC do the day before game five. Tim Legler is going to join us with his two cents on that whole equation. Tom Pellicero with the latest in the National Football League and Greg Berhalter, who may just be the first human being on planet Earth to have played for the U.S.

3:04Rich Eisen:men's national team, coached the U.S. men's national team, and now have a son playing on the U.S. men's national team. He's going to be here in studio because the U.S. men's national team takes on Paraguay tonight in SoFi Stadium. So there's all of that going down here in the Los Angeles sports area. Good to see you, Chris Brockman, fresh hey rich from cage brockman's kindergarten step up good to see you absolutely great to be here good to see you guys hey jay felly's here hey what's up rich you being here is that why uh i i i the the red carding of two south africans sounded so great from mexico is because del tufo's working the faders actually yes is that why ian dark sounds so lush he did the game yesterday i believe he did wow is that why stew hold sounded like stew holden was in my my front yard yes so many red cards in that game yesterday good to see you over there sir how are you i'm good man how you guys doing i'm doing just fine and dandy friday and dandy so this is the way we're going to start today what do you got uh i i know the stanley cup is uh almost over uh the las vegas golden knights have got their backs against the wall no not according to torts and those sound bites by the way fantastic and they're queued up for your listening and viewing pleasure later on in this program but we put a pin in that for the moment um the seattle seahawks this is the sort of thing you talk about in the middle of june in between nba finals and stanley cup final games and uh baseball getting ready for the weekend and the world cup has just started just two matches in so far now we're getting three a day which is always a lot of fun in the first pool play rounds of the World Cup.

4:55Rich Eisen:But when the Super Bowl champions get their rings, this is what we talk about. Certainly when it's a show hosted by somebody accused of not giving the proper amount of love to the team that's receiving the rings. You're not popular in the 12s, man. That's not true. I would push back on that. I would push back on that. Really? You don't read the comments. You know what? I did just do a power rankings of the top defenses in the National Football League. And after I finished with five through two, you're like, who else is there? And I'm like, wait a minute. There's the Seattle Seahawks. And you're like, oh, so you were the one most recently on this program.

5:38The team that you didn't have at the top of the power rankings, despite. That's correct. Wait for it. Getting the ring. Interesting.

5:46Rich Eisen:Because. Don't put this on me, Ricky Bobby. I'm not putting anything on you other than the fact that I have nothing but respect for the Seattle. Oh, it's OK. I do. We had Cooper Cup on this program. Let's have Cooper. I'm having happy to have anybody from that neck of the woods on. But, you know, the Seahawks have got some serious Microsoft dollars there behind them while they're still being owned by the Allen family. and there's no shortage of dollars and cents in this ring right here. Cooper Cup told us that it was coming, actually, when he was on the program last week. Jason of Beverly Hills, everybody, just up the road from us here, putting it together, and yes, you can take the top off and make it a locket.

6:31Oh, that's cool.

6:32Rich Eisen:A Tyler locket. It was. You can also pop the sides and out come the wings of Lumen Field. The arches pop out. Wow. Yep. and it reveals the words world champions in there. The top of the ring also features the Seahawks logo, two Lombardi. I said two Lombardi trophies. Okay. There's a piece of the football from the championship season involved in this equation as well. The logo is surrounded by 50 diamonds, which is a nod to the fact that the team won last year's Super Bowl in its 50th season. On one side, it's got the player's name, number, and the letters m-o-b oh you know what that stands for apparently money over part of their um their um their um uh mantra last year yeah it's a m-o-b mission over bs oh but bs wasn't the the the actual use but that's m-o-b right there um and then the other side has got 12 as one on it above a Seattle skyline.

7:37Rich Eisen:Cool. Top of the ring again can be fully removed. The interior features an authentic piece of the football from the season, along with the number 50 again to commemorate that 50th season. 17 wins is engraved to represent the win total for the season, postseason included. While the bottom of the ring features the number 12 with 12 feathers. Ice up, son. Ice up. In honor of the 12s. So. Cool. There's that. They're getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. If you take a look at the rings from Super Bowl I through V, and put them all together, they're not as large as the one from Super Bowl 60.

8:18Well, I like now that they come apart. We saw the Eagles had wings. This has the stadium wings. They just, like, one-upping each other each year.

8:25Rich Eisen:Well, the rings are now turned into Transformers. There's more than meets the eye. It's a plethora of diamonds. We're going to get one to talk soon. I don't know. We'll get a hologram pop out of it. Like it's Star Wars. And maybe it'll start talking smack about we're repeating. Why not? And that's the question that everyone's going to start talking about when the Seattle Seahawks open the season in a Super Bowl 60 rematch against the New England Patriots in their house on the Wednesday of opening week. They go first. As always, we'll have a banner raise, but it's on a Wednesday because the Seahawks' NFC Westmates from San Francisco and Los Angeles play each other in Melbourne.

9:09Rich Eisen:Melbourne. On a Friday there, which is a Thursday here, and you there. And then off we go. At Arizona, at Washington, home for the Chargers. Has anyone played Seattle's win-loss yet?

9:27Maybe.

9:29Rich Eisen:I should do that. What do you think? Well, you usually save it for your favorite team, the Chiefs. I don't have a favorite team, sir. Do you accuse me of being a passionate Chiefs fan? My son accused me of being a passionate Rams fan. Should I do it? You want to do it? I don't plan on doing it. Seattle, let's go. I'll do the Seattle Seahawks game right now to talk about just how they're going to go ahead and perform in this regular season. I need the music. What the heck? Let's go. Here we go, Jason Feller. I think they open with a win, sir. I think they go ahead and take care of business. That is a tall order, a night game in Seattle with a banner raise.

10:15Rich Eisen:Here we go. I know A.J. Brown's in the house. We're in number one, but I think the Seattle Seahawks come up with the win. They go to Arizona and win that. You know what they do? perhaps better than anybody else in the National Football League with the Seattle Seahawks, is they go east coast to someone else's house in a 1 o 'clock Eastern game and go ahead and beat you, and beat you to a pulp. I don't know if that's what's going to happen when they go visit the Washington Commanders, but take a look at the last few years of the Seattle Seahawks. And you know what they do more than anybody else is they go to a spot like even Washington.

10:55Rich Eisen:I bet you there's a couple of instances of this. They come up with that win. That's all they do is win on the road on the East Coast. Then the Chargers come to their house. I think they win that one. And then here come the San Francisco 49ers. I think they win that one. I think they start 5-0 in their title defense. Really? Yes, I do. Chargers? I do. Yeah, the Chargers coming into their house, late window, and I think they win this, and I think they start 5-0 and everybody's feeling good. And then it's a short week game to Denver, and I think that's their first loss of the season. And then the Chiefs come into their house.

11:26Rich Eisen:I think they win that one. And then I think the Bears come into their house on a Monday night, and I think the Bears take care of business in that one. That's how I think they roll this year, Chris. I feel very high about the Chicago Bears. Yeah, same. I'm with you. The Seahawks sweep the Arizona Cardinals. They're now 5-6, 7-2 before going to the Raiders and winning that one. I think the San Francisco 49ers get them. I think they get them in Week 12. I think that is going to be just a frenzied contest filled with what happened the last time the Seahawks were taking on the San Francisco 49ers in San Francisco.

12:04Rich Eisen:That final Week 18 game that the Seahawks won, and then they were the one seeds, and then they beat the crap out of San Francisco in Seattle in the playoffs. And then, of course, they won it in San Francisco's house. I just feel the Niners are just going to be so damn prideful in this one. and it's going to be tough for the Seahawks to pull that off. Then the Dallas Cowboys go up to Seattle. I think they beat your Dallas Cowboys in that one. Why are you doing this again? The Seahawks then beat the Giants, and then there's a game in Philadelphia. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. I think the Seahawks beat the Eagles.

12:47Rich Eisen:They now have 11 wins against three losses. Now come the games against the Rams. I think they beat the Rams in Seattle. I think they go ahead and beat Carolina in Carolina and then lose to the Rams to finish up the season. So that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, and 4 in their title defense. I think that's what the Seattle Seahawks are going to do. And let me see. That would make them in division. They split against San Francisco. They split against the Rams. So that would be 4-2 with a 13-4 record. one seed not on thus the rams go 14 and 3 my friend but i think seattle's that good defensively and i think they're just going to be a sneaky good title defense team because they're not respected to the tune of 13 and 4 by a host like me and it's ironic that i finished this segment 12 after the hour.

13:52Rich Eisen:Put them number one in your power rankings. I don't know if I'm gonna. How about that? Because I think the Rams might be 14 wins or 15 wins that good. No respect. All right. 844-204-inch number to dial. Guess who's chiming in from San Antonio? None other than Tim Legler. He's next. This is the Rich Eisen Show on a June Friday.

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15:09Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show podcast. The entirety second half, though, is what they were referring to. Oh, gotcha.

15:16Tim Legler:Okay, yes. If we're talking about the totality of that, I don't know that I even still would use the term arrogant. I think here's what happened. They hit 14 threes in the first half. It was a historic shooting performance by final standards. They've got this big lead. They come out to start the third quarter. I kind of get in a way to start the quarter, you're still dipping your toe in that water. Does it feel good? Because we haven't missed to that point. They were getting whatever they wanted. They were in great flow, and they continued to take those shots. I said it early in the third quarter, or maybe like mid-third quarter, after I'd seen too many of these possessions now where they're taking quick threes, that now you've got to start to change your approach.

15:56Tim Legler:It's all about time and score at that point. And I keep referring to this as a math problem for the Knicks. And the only way you can solve this math problem in terms of the deficit and the time on the clock is you're going to need help. And how do you get that help? There's two ways. quick shots by the Spurs that don't go in and turnovers because you need more possessions and you need more time even when they were taking those quick ones I said it on the broadcast at this point Mike Brown doesn't even care if these go in anymore he needs them to take quick shots and they continue to do it now when that lead starts to cut down and you get up into the high teens you know in that 20 point area in an NBA game we know that we've seen those deficits wiped out repeatedly more so than ever because the prevalence of the three-point shot that's where the adjustment has to come.

16:41Tim Legler:I don't necessarily blame them for immediately, like right away changing the game because it was working and these guys are all hot and they're like, okay, let's just keep doing it. Once you, you know, you go through a little drought there, you miss four or five in a row. Absolutely, you've got to adjust. You've got to get more balance in your offense. The guards need to be back in the paint because they were repeatedly throughout the series. Victor Weminyama, more threat at the rim, the way he was playing earlier in the game, earlier in and certainly in game three and get the balance there in your offense.

17:10Tim Legler:And you're going to be able to basically stall this momentum that the Knicks were building, and they didn't really do it. I don't think it was arrogance. I just don't think it was very smart, the way that they were approaching it. And by the time they finally kind of started to feel it, it was too late. The Knicks then believed, and the San Antonio Spurs were starting to experience doubt. Those two things basically came together, I would say, at about the seven - or eight-minute mark of the fourth quarter. OG Ananobi hit a three to cut it to 11. That was when, calling the game, I'm looking at both teams, and I'm saying the Knicks now think they can actually pull this off.

17:47Tim Legler:The Spurs sort of looked around at each other with some uncertainty, which they hadn't played with up to that point at all in that game. And that's when you could start to feel the crowd was going. And now it's just a matter of can the San Antonio Spurs come up with enough decent possessions here down the stretch to be able to hold them off?

18:05Rich Eisen:and it was all up in the air at that point. What a scene. Tim Legler here for just a few more minutes as he heads off to the arena to interview Wemben Yama and the rest of the stars of the NBA Finals for Saturday's broadcast here on the program. I just got to get your two cents on officiating. I mean, on one hand, you got the two quickest fouls any players received in a game since 1998 on Karl-Anthony Towns, and then the Knicks are in the penalty with seven minutes to go in the fourth quarter without the Spurs having a single foul called on them for the second straight fourth quarter. But in between all of that, the Knicks get more free throw attempts, eight more than the Spurs do in this game.

18:50Rich Eisen:And I lost track, Tim, of the number of times you or Richard or Mike were talking about, I don't understand what the refs are seeing right here. from the overturn of the cat foul to be called offensive, to put him on the bench, the Luke Cornett swat away of a ball that could have been a pass, but still, like, what do you make of the officiating going into game five of these finals?

19:22Tim Legler:Yeah, look, I think there were some calls, clearly, in that game that you felt like, I don't even know that I felt in the moment that they were like 50-50 type situations. I felt a certain way. They didn't go the Knicks way. I didn't like that first bump call right off the bat on Carl Anthony Towns on that drive by Fox. I mean, that's the first possession. And, you know, Fox turns the corner on him, and he's fairly vertical, and it's just like a bump where he just catches him a little bit. I feel like based on the level of physicality that we have seen in the postseason that we had seen in this series, like that's kind of like tone setter for the night.

19:58Tim Legler:and you're like, okay, then it's going to be a lot of free throws tonight if we're going to call that level of contact on the way to the rim. And again, from night to night, you want consistency throughout the series. It's hard. These are three different officials. So it's going to be – some of it is clearly subjective on their part on a given night. They're trying to maintain consistency not only within the course of the game but within the course of the series. They're trying to do that, but it's a difficult thing to do because they're all different. And I thought, okay, they're going to call a little bit more tonight based on that call.

20:28Tim Legler:Then right after that, he gets hit with the other one. And I think Richard and I both felt the same way. There was an initial clamp of the arm, but he was sort of jostling for position to catch the ball. Once he caught it and decided to go to the rim, he released, and his arm came up. And Wembe Nyama's arm was still kind of around his body. And it was funny because it was almost like Wembe was still selling as if he was being clamped, but he wasn't anymore. You could see in the video. So I really thought that that was not going to be the second foul card to Anthony Townsend. And to me, it set up kind of his night, I thought.

21:00Tim Legler:It happened to Bridges the game before two early fouls, and he never got going in that game offensively. So it's a tough way to start your night for a big man. Here's why, Rich, too. It affects your aggressiveness driving to the rim. You don't want to pick up a charge. It affects your aggressiveness as a screener, and that's a big part of Cat's game. And now you're just like tiptoeing around on eggshells a little bit. It just affects your aggressiveness. So I thought the Alvarado, the goaltender you're talking about, I thought that was clearly to me a shot. and you know so I would that one again I can have my opinion I can see it a certain way obviously they have a different opinion and some of these are reviewed and they're getting help from Secaucus and they're going over it and it is what it is overall they did shoot more free throws by a wide margin in the game but I felt like there were some really unfortunate things went against them early in that game and now we sit here and I guess none of that really matters now does it because of what they were able to do in the second half of that game and that incredible finish that is going to be, no matter how this series plays out, and it's a long way from over because of the way these games have been played, how close they are.

22:03Tim Legler:San Antonio Spurs could certainly come back and win three games in this series. All these games have gone down to the wire. But regardless, that is going to go down as one of those iconic moments in the history of this sport, particularly if the Knicks are able to go on and win this championship and get this last game. for what that meant for that franchise, that moment in the finals. They're going to be showing that tip in for the open of the NBA finals 50 years from now. So that's how big a moment that was, how momentous, particularly when you talk about the organization and the market.

22:35Rich Eisen:Well, you know, you might have been the only person in the building, Tim, for whom that wasn't the biggest moment they've ever witnessed in Madison Square Garden. Didn't you cut down the NIT nets for LaSalle in that building back in the 80s, Tim?

22:48Tim Legler:Yes, but that was at the Meadowlands. That wasn't at the Madison Square Garden. That was the Meadowlands. And that, by the way, was the biggest moment in the history of the Meadowlands as far as basketball is concerned.

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23:00Rich Eisen:Thanks, Tim. I know you got to go. So are Richard and Mike waiting in the car for you?

23:06Tim Legler:Oh, yes. And Mike Breed is not likely to be late, so I got to hustle.

23:10Rich Eisen:Yeah, Fordham versus LaSalle right there going at it. Take care, Tim. You be well. All right, see you. You got it. You know what? Whenever I go off to an event and Kurt's waiting in the car, it's never good. It dies. I never feel Kurt Warner judges me, ever, until that moment. Is he always the first one in? What do you think? Let's just say 10 times out of trips in London, Germany, Los Angeles. Nine out of 10. Denver. The number of times I get in the car before Kurt. Oh. Out of the 10. One out of 10. That is incorrect. Zero? That's correct. And I'm on time. Where I like to be sometimes, I like to think I am.

23:58Rich Eisen:But, you know, and I know, certainly if you've got to go to the airport and it's like a 7A flight, you know, he's just like, is Rich awake? And then I walk in and I look him in the eye like, what's up, Kurt? Hey, good morning. If I'm more than three minutes late, I apologize. I figure there's a grace period. But Breen is sort of the Kurt of this equation. Next time Kurt's on the program, we're going to talk with him. You can ask him. Will do. You ask him point blank. Mooch is a coach, so he's there 15 minutes early. Irv. I always knew I had extra time. Irv is the me in this situation. Irv's on Irv time.

24:41Rich Eisen:Irv's on Irv time. but we haven't discussed this Chris because you were out at step up I mean good lord this thing was I again we're I'm still talking about it my friend group we're still talking about everybody craziest thing I've ever seen I don't recall uh an NBA finals game that echoes quite like this one that there was the Celtics come back against the Lakers in 08 Well, that was the last, that was the largest comeback until Wednesday night. Yeah, that was on the road. The Knicks were at home, obviously. Did Darian Fox get fouled? Did you guys talk about that? Actually, we did not talk about it.

25:28Rich Eisen:Jake Culp, Sixer fan, Rich Eisen show, social media maven. He did post that on our page yesterday. And I'm like, who approved this? Yeah, I was. I texted him. I texted him like, where did this one come from? And he's just like, you know, I'm just playing around with, you know, asking, you know, crowdsourcing and stuff like that. So all the fouls that didn't get called in this game, or all the fouls that didn't get upgraded to a flagrant. I think the Knicks had a friend wear whistle on. This is the one you're choosing? This is the one you're choosing. I got to be honest, I didn't see that picture until that post went out because they never showed that on TV.

26:12They didn't show the replay.

26:12Rich Eisen:They did not show that. So I was like, oh, hang on, hang on. You know, the NBA is still doing their two-minute report where they're going through the last two minutes of a game. Which is also the dumbest thing ever. They're CSI-ing it or they're law and ordering it since the task of law and orders that all these games of Madison's work. That moment was not on there because they said Ananobi got enough ball before he hit his arm. so the photograph you're seeing of him connecting with the arm sure makes it look like it is a foul it did but the ball had already been dislodged by that point in time according to the nba there was a foul on that heart um needed should have been called on stefan castle but it wasn't the last play of the game that was another last two minute banger that's the one thing that they said wasn't called on the Knicks.

27:07Rich Eisen:Man, I didn't think he got any ball. No, I think, listen, I think he did. Look, the Knicks got some whack calls against them. I thought it was a pretty pro-Knicks whistle on game four, no? Two cat fouls? The cat foul to start was, I thought, ticky-tack. But I'm like, all right, did he come back on? This one. This one was stupid. This one, when Bunyama's arm was pinned, Do we have the second photograph of this? There's two that I think we put. Okay. So this one was early on as he's driving. But towards the end when he got to the hoop, Wembenyama's arm could have easily been dislodged. And as a matter of fact, his hand was over Carl Anthony Towns' stomach.

27:54Rich Eisen:And I thought, okay, we're going to review this. And it's like, could have been an arm pin at the top of the play. Definitely wasn't an arm pin throughout. And certainly wasn't at the end. so that's kind of a soup that eats like a meal that comes out of a review saying play stands is called and instead it was an overturn and those guys are overturning it knowing they're popping a second on carl anthony towns now the result of that shouldn't have been a complete and total unraveling by the knicks and what helped that unraveling was san antonio's remarkable it made everything performance yeah it made everything like literally everything was going up like that's going to be in yep that's going to be in that and when and by the time and and it was a total complete barrage that i i almost got in a fetal position watching the game i'm surprised you didn't like shut it off oh i didn't shut it off i just you missed yesterday's show because you were at step up clearly you're not staying tuned to what we're talking about while you're watching cage in his big moment with sarah but suzy we were talking about suzy was beginning to say like do you want more wine like she was starting to feel for it like you want you you know and it's so funny they need something the spurs started out they were what 65 percent shooting early uh 80 from three they finished 42 from the floor that's how bad and atrocious they were shooting uh you know midway through the third quarter and through the rest of the game i couldn't believe that when Banyama, they didn't take him out.

29:25Rich Eisen:Like he played all, um, almost all second half. He sat down for less than a minute, but, uh, and then the fact that he's in the game, he was so unstoppable and he is unstoppable. It was, he is, he will be unstoppable for decades, for as long as he wants to keep playing in the NBA. They didn't feed him like down low. I mean, there was no stopping him no certainly with you know cat was always one or two fouls deep into this game in trouble no and castle and so and mitchell robinson wasn't stopping him and nobody was stopping him why why wouldn't and he's so good at shooting free throws even though he missed those two at the end that's kind of which was a stunner pretty bit pretty big stunner and And I didn't get it.

30:14Rich Eisen:I didn't understand why the hell they were, because again, they were, for you saying, and again, it was a whistle that was to the Knicks' benefit. They were in the bonus lickety split in the fourth quarter for a second straight game before the Spurs even had one called on them. Now, and I know you're like, so stop fouling. But the other team isn't? For real? Like, come on now. it just wasn't well it's also the way the game is being played they're playing a little more down low a little more physical the Knicks were trying to shoot their way back in so that's a lot of outside shots well also the reason why you know but we're sitting here saying the Knicks were fouling but the Spurs kept on shooting quickly and it was a slow motion car crash for them well that's why I was joking with you guys did Mitch Johnson get Wayne Kiffin after, you know.

31:13That was a rough coaching performance by the young pup.

31:16Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, the tarmac situation probably was Pop waiting for him. I'm curious as to what the 48-hour conversation between Popovich and Mitch Johnson and Popovich with the rest of this team. You know, and Legler just said, can they win three in a row? Yeah, they can. Yeah, you can make the case they've outplayed the Knicks all four games. Well, Mitch Johnson did hearts are gone and this is over mitch johnson said they decided the result of all four games that sounds like that analytical it sure did sound like you know analytically we're up three games to one not down three games to one but you know at the end of the day brunson doing what he did and og og ananobi you take a look at the rest of this roster and who's got a ring is og finals MVP he's certainly in the catbird seat right now even with Brunson having the fourth quarter of his playoff life you know and he he's he's just on fire Brunson in the fourth quarter clutch points Mr.

32:26Rich Eisen:Clutch but OG is in this mix and he's the guy with the ring saying this is the way like He's been awesome, man. And he's been something spectacular. He plays so hard. He's in the catbird position, too, on that front. Also, Josh Hart better be paying for OG's meals for a long time. Well, you heard the sound body. We played that yesterday. Did you not hear that? No. Here, can we cue that up? Well, I'll tap dance while Hoskins and Bowie go ahead and grab that. I mean, the clip of Larry David reacting to Hart missing the layup. Like his legs just gave out from underneath. it's because again it was the same rim that ewing went for a finger roll down two against the indiana pace oh and back rimmed and guess what hart did on the same rim he back rimmed it well it's like he got confused of like do i dunk it or do i lay it up and then i'm up there i'm like oh no he just felt so bad for him at that i was just like oh i don't think anybody you know went down granular with him but I bet he thought to himself is Wemby anywhere interesting I don't know but this is what Hart had to say afterwards this game was was crazy um like I said you know I got a special shout out you know for for OG man because he saved me uh at least for this game uh a lifetime of you know regret um so yeah man shout out to him straight up honesty that's cool yeah straight up and um yeah small small g goat if they lose that game also thank cat because the play that mitch johnson drew up to get to stefan castle with 1.2 seconds to go if you look at it he was going to have a wide open dunk if the dylan harper uh inbound yep the sideline out of bounds the slob um cory closes talks susie about sideline inbounds out of bounds passes and baseline the slobs and blobs had that slob worked had it gotten to castle it was defending but cat got his hands on the on the ball and had Hart not blocked Castle and he gotten the ball off and made the shot what would have happened is we would have replayed that and we would have seen Carl Anthony Towns did get his hand on the basketball which should have started the clock the minute it's touched the clock starts at 1.2 it would have been a review wiping out Stefan Castle's game winner oh wow 100 could you imagine if that insanity ended on a replay also that is that was possible like the world series because they played that out and by the time that castle collected it and put it up it was blocked by heart but let's say he didn't and he got it in and they're celebrating wait a minute carl anthony towns tipped it clock should have started and guess what by the time castle collected it 1.2 is gone over well there's a video that shows cat telling the crowd behind castle to move in how is that like i don't know why that's allowed but he had mariska hargitay there's a video her hands are on the referee's back that's how close the crowd was so i can imagine no but this was on the other side of where they were, but you could see Carl Anthony Towns telling two guys who look like extras from Wall Street, you know, come on in.

36:08Rich Eisen:Yeah. Come on in. You know, but the Bud Fox sitting there, you know, hey, come on in there and crowd them. And so he, and so Dylan Harper was surrounded by Knick fans. Nuts. That game was insane. Insane. Yeah. It's still buzzing about it. 844-204-RICH number dial. So what's more likely Friday? I've got a top five, my top five New York sports moments of my life. Oh, that's later on. Let's take a break. We're back with more here on the Rich Eisen Show.

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39:17Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. We're back here on the Rich Eisen Show radio feed along with our stream on Disney Plus and the ESPN app, et cetera, and so on and so forth. So episode three of this was SportsCenter released today. I went on, I got up to get up. So how do I put this? So I got up and then went on get up. and um got uh promoting with uh mike greenberg on get up where he hosts the show and from the set where i interviewed him back in december for this was sports center cultivating this caper for a long time yeah with an idea greenie was the first interview of the six for season one that uh you You were there too, right?

40:12Rich Eisen:I was there. It was awesome. Because that's where we do the Rich Eisen show when we're in New York on the set of Get Up. Anyway, I got up today to promote This Was Sports Center. I saw it. With Mike Greenberg, the host of Get Up. And the conversation with Greeny on This Was Sports Center is great, and here's a little clip to indicate as such. Can I tell you the story of the first Sports Center I ever did? I would love to hear this. So when you first told me you wanted to have this conversation, I thought, what stories can I tell? Okay. This is my best story. Yes. So I get hired in August of 96.

40:45And as you said, you have to sit in meetings and watch and listen and all that. So the first time they put me on there is October. So I've been there six, eight weeks. And I'm going to do a 30-minute SportsCenter at 6 in the evening on a Saturday with Larry Beal. Welcome to SportsCenter. I'm Larry Beal alongside Mike Greenberg, who is making his SportsCenter debut tonight. Welcome. Thank you very much, Larry. Great to be here. I'll tell you all about myself another time. but we've got 60 minutes of highlights and just 30 minutes to do them, so let's get it going. Larry was my first.

41:11Rich Eisen:Larry Beal, my first. I literally just said those words. Hi, hello, and welcome to SportsCenter along with Larry Beal. Who am I and what am I doing here? I'm Rich Eisen. I'm making my national TV debut, and I'm a lot of fun at parties. But that is how we used to say things. That was a big deal, who you did your first SportsCenter with. Well, that's going to do it for this SportsCenter. Next one comes your way at 11 Easter. Brett Haber and Steve Levy will be along then. For right now, I'm Mike Greenberg. And I'm Larry Beal. Larry Beal, aloha. Means goodbye. Means goodbye. And so I'm sitting, we do the show.

41:43My then girlfriend, Stacey, flies in. You know, she's there. It's a big day. And we go out for dinner to celebrate afterwards. Yeah. So we go to this restaurant in Farmington, Connecticut. Yes. And we're having dinner and we sit down. Yeah. And the waiter says, oh, I'm a big fan of ESPN. I'm thrilled to have you here. And I was like, oh my God, I've done one show for 30 minutes. I can't imagine how famous I'm going to be being on ESPN. And they're bringing food out and they treat me like I'm the VIP to end all VIPs. And at the end of the night, the guy brings the check and he says, I just want to say, Mr.

42:18Levy, it's been an honor having you here. I swear in my life, that is a true story. Oh, my God. He 100 % thought I was Steve Levy. This was SportsCenter. Out now. Such a great story. I mean, the hair is, you know. You're thinking you're the man at that. Oh, man. I've done one show and I'm already getting recognized. Right. This is the life. This is the life.

42:46Rich Eisen:Okay. Thanks, Mr. Levy. Big fan. Yeah. Imagine the confusion if Steve did go to that restaurant like a day or two later. It was like, man, I just saw you here. Listen, man. Steve Levy was, he still is the man, but he was the man. He was the king of that area. I remember going off of sports centers. If I ever did an 11 o 'clock sports center and we were done at midnight, we would go to Hartford as fast as we possibly could to just go out. Is that where the nightlife was in Hartford? That's what the nightlife was. There were two places. There was Hartford and then there was Farmington, Connecticut, which is where I lived.

43:29Rich Eisen:I'll tell a quick story about that. this is what this is all about i might tell these stories on future this was sports center certainly with leaves um big bag of leaves which is what dan patrick nicknamed steve levy um and um so we we used to go to um uh coaches which was the name of the place in in hartford named after the uh great i think it was actually owned by jim calhoun oh nice yeah that's why they called it coaches duh so uh and and steve would steve was the only one who would be able to let us stay that they let stay after things closed down

44:15Rich Eisen:yeah that's the pull that he had so everyone else gets kicked out and dang yeah everyone else get out of here but if you're with steve you get to stay a little bit longer party is the after yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so it tracks that steve was getting free food but it was really mike greenberg that's pretty awesome great stuff there and and uh you know there's a really good stuff that uh mike hoskins found from the archives because greenie tells a story about the mike and mike years with him and mike golick right here on espn radio um a fabulously successful program that put Mike and Mike in the radio broadcasting hall of fame.

44:59Rich Eisen:They're in there. And they were doing a show from Cleveland, Progressive Field, I guess, whatever, or Jacobs Field, whatever it was called at the time. And his flight was delayed. So Mike Tirico, who was in town, agreed, I'll just do it for you until you get there. He was calling the game that night. That's what it was. Wow. and he's just like yeah i'll just i'll just sit in until you get here and the story he tells about listening to how good tariko was and telling the guy driving to drive it's really it's really well i'm about to get replaced it it's funny step on it bro it's funny and we have a good conversation about what the sports tv has become he arrived six months after i did and went straight to espn news uh while i was fortunate enough to go straight to the sports center did news exist when you started did not right chris mckendry and i were the last hires before espn news started we have this whole conversation yeah you know and that's out there on disney plus the espn app our youtube channel um presented by gusto our terrific sponsors of this was SportsCenter.

46:13And so it's a lot of good nuggets with Mike Greenberg.

46:17Rich Eisen:So I got up today. And then after I was giving my thoughts on the Knicks, and I heard the producer basically telling me to rap

46:30Rich Eisen:through the Zoom. I'm like, why is this person saying five? You're like, I got up, bro. Oh, I see what you're saying, five seconds. But of course, I kept talking. Did you see who came out right after you? That's why they were rapping. They were trying to get you, yeah. Because Irvin Magic Johnson. Oh, that guy. He walked out immediately. What has he ever done? A lot. I guess so. A lot. So he got up too. But he's in New York, so. That's correct. He didn't get up that early. He didn't get up as early. This was SportsCenter. Check it out, please. Dan Patrick, the first episode. We're still getting feedback from that, as well as Chris Berman, Mike Greenberg today.

47:09Rich Eisen:Linda Cohn next week. And that is, as I mention every single time, a giggle fest. The only human who've done SportsCenter over 5 ,000 times. So, of course, she's got to be in season one of This Was SportsCenter. Tom Pellicero is going to join us. Top of hour number two. Don't go anywhere. The Ridge Eisen Show podcast.

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