Hour 1: Cowboys-Packers Tie, Dart’s Debut, Chiefs are Back & Ravens Concern

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1:19Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. Let's do this. This is the Rich Eisen Show. I got a lot of confidence in our rookie quarterback. I'm glad we got him. Dark design run. Up the middle he goes. To the tank, to the front. Touchdown, Giants. Jackson Dart. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles, today's guests, ESPN SportsCenter host Scott Van Pelt. Plus, your phone calls, latest injury news, and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Well, hey, everybody.

2:01Rich Eisen:Welcome to this edition of The Rich Eisen Show, live on Disney +, live on ESPN app everywhere, live on ESPN radio, presented by Progressive Insurance, live on Sirius XM channel 80 every single day. Our podcast can be a way that you take in this show all three hours through the ESPN Pod Center. However you get your podcast. Overreaction Monday. Chris Brockman and I have already recorded the week four episode in advance of the two Monday nights that we see on the family of networks of ESPN this evening with the Jets and the Dolphins and the Bengals and the Broncos still yet to be played. But Overreaction Monday is sitting in your RSS feed.

2:41Rich Eisen:or again, you can take in Overreaction Monday through our YouTube channel as well. YouTube.com slash RichEyesAndShow. Closing in on one million followers or subscribers there. Scott Van Pelt is going to join us in our number three of this program to talk about what's going down in the National Football League through almost all four weeks. Obviously, he's going to have something to say about the Europeans taking care of the Americans in the Ryder Cup that was a little bit closer than, let's just put it this way, the U.S. turned out to be the object closer in the rearview mirror than it really appeared in the European scheme of things.

3:19Rich Eisen:So Scott's going to join us in our number three of the program. Good to see you over there, Christopher. How are you? Rich, great to see you, man. I'm well. How are you? Chris Brockman sitting next to Mike Del Tufo, as always. Good to see you, Mike Del Tufo. TJ Jefferson, I guess you're doing well over there. Candles lit. So the vigil candle for your Mets over there. Oh, I'm sorry. How about them Cowboys? Mike, what we got today, Mike? It doesn't matter. Is there one for a tie? Yeah, it's like this. How about them Cowboys? You just get like a basic. How about them Cowboys? Well done.

3:58That's right. How about them Cowboys? Look at you, man.

4:03Rich Eisen:man. See you over there. TJ Jefferson. What up, man? Let's talk about the Cowboys and the Packers on Sunday night football. 40-40 tie, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. They played to, I guess, like it was a scorigami. We've never seen that final score in the history of the National Football League. We've never seen a 40-40 tie before. I guess 40-40 is a... Jay-Z's club. Well, I guess it's Jay-Z's club. Yeah. Right. 40 homers, 40 stolen bases. Shout out to Jose Conceco. That's the score. The deuce score in tennis. Right, right. It did involve a love last night too, right? Come on, now. Listen, I don't know where the banner raise is for a 40-40 tie, but the Cowboys certainly played very well last night.

4:51Rich Eisen:No CeeDee Lamb, no Micah Parsons, because he's playing for the other team, in case you didn't know. And they took care of Micah Parsons last night. Just one sack. it was a pretty big one and um one solo tackle two assisted tackles and that was it a lot of holding penalties that weren't called but the cowboys fans know that that's what micah gets quite a bit yeah and um and this game looked over 13 nothing line up for an extra point yada yada yada it's 13-2 brewers on top of the rangers and um and the the cowboys were awakened by that special teams play as many teams throughout the nfl through four weeks have either been a awakened by one be put to sleep by one or c just shocking the entire football viewing nation with a blocked kick of some sort blocked punt special teams have uh yet to end or at least uh block units on special teams have yet to enter the 2025 season in certain places and um let's take it one at a time here man did the cowboys need this one they needed it because they're one and two they're coming off of that loss in which they lose cd lamb to a high ankle sprain on a running play where you tj jefferson were wondering what the hell are they doing in a running play here uh in chicago with him um i guess being a jack of all trades can we just put them in the slot or put them outside the numbers and let them go to work and so when it's 13 nothing i think this this thing's a wrap and it most certainly was not as you know dac was getting it done on offense and dac had 319 passing yards and three passing touchdowns and a passer rating almost of 125 and the last quarterback in dallas history with 300 or more passing yards three or better passing touchdowns zero interceptions and a rushing touchdown which he had in this game there's now a list of such a person dak prescott first of its kind last night that's what dak came up with in the so-called revenge game that is what a leader does with no CeeDee Lamb on top of it.

7:19Rich Eisen:And here's George Pickens having his breakout game as a Dallas Cowboy. 11 targets, 8 catches, 134 yards and 2 scores. A lot of Steelers fans are sitting there saying that would be very helpful right around now, but hey, you're 3-1 with a win in Dublin, which we'll get to in this three-hour program. Jake Ferguson had his first touchdown catch since the 2023 wildcard loss to the Packers. he had three receiving touchdowns in that game a lot of Cowboys fans don't remember that because of the final score was such a washout I mean Javante Williams has got the running game going and Brian Schottenheimer's a good coach man I mean I think that's what this game has proven as well I understand that there's two losses that stick out and the one against Chicago is one that particularly hurts as the you know cowboys came awfully close in philadelphia and came up with that comeback win on the giants and russell wilson in that 450 yard game from him cowboys are all over the map which by the way a 500 team looks like all over the map if they were only 500 through the first four games of this season they and the packers are now winless in their last two they're like a hockey squad and so awfully close could have used because they for them to say we traded micah for jerry jones to be able to say we traded micah and guess what we bottled him up and dax the guy and we won anyway would have been so sweet for obviously the owner's suite and for the cowboys as a whole but wasn't meant to be just a tie and as for the packers they now as we start as always here on this program about what we just saw and what it means down the road and what i think happened before we get to the nitty and the gritty of the micah jerry jones relationship what the packers just did last night is potentially potentially forfeit a down the road possible sweep tie break over the lions now if they sweep the lions by beating them on thanksgiving day in detroit which we know they can do because they you know have done it and so you'd think if they sweep the lions they're playing well enough to have a better record than the lions but this tie really sticks out not just in the standings but right now had green bay won this game and said we did become a better team with micah parsons we did make the right move and down the road that may be proven correct in the same way that the cowboys can be proven correct that they don't miss micah and they can use the salary cap space and the draft choices they're getting from it to improve these are all just as you know week to week snapshots but green bay had they won this game would be in first place in the nfc north due to their week one win over the lions who have won every single game since losing in green bay badly i might add they're now a half game behind detroit that said jordan love in the same way that Dak performed admirably and well and valiantly in a rivalry game 337 pass yards three passing touchdowns and zero interceptions he's now 10-0-1 in a starter where he's had a passer rating of 115 or better as he had last night 118.1 his 337 pass yards and three passing touchdowns were a season high.

11:18Rich Eisen:Romeo Dobbs had all three touchdown catches. Matthew Golden is getting better. Jordan Love has a running attack behind him. And Tucker Craft is becoming a viable tight end threat in this league. And the offensive line, despite the injuries, does appear to be able to keep Love upright and the running game cooking.

11:46Rich Eisen:so the packers definitely in the last two games in cleveland and in dallas didn't look like the team we saw in green bay to start the season against the lions and the commanders two one and one is good enough it's not great certainly not when you started two and oh but they do have all of these young folks on offense who are without a doubt available on your waiver wire and fantasy most of them that love knows very well and knows the system very well and he just keeps on finding all of these players who you're sitting at home going who is that who's that one burning for a first down who's that one making that catch who's that one trucking somebody you know what i mean oh i know and so the packers have a good team a playoff team the question is do the cowboys play consistently enough to be a playoff team they do have the imagination on offense honestly and they do seem to be buying whatever brian schottenheimer is selling and a lot of people thought you know jerry was just cheaping out and hiring him to maintain the offensive continuity from the staff that Mike McCarthy put together.

13:07Rich Eisen:So the Cowboys are in the mix. The question is, can they play consistently enough to stay in it? And the Packers are in the mix. Can they play well enough to actually be in the mix for the NFC as a whole? That's my take coming off of the 40-40 tie. As for the Micah, Jerry Jones stuff, I'm telling you this is going to be put to bed for a while. It just is. Unless somebody does some sort of an expose on how really bat guano crazy it was. Because Micah didn't have, the one thing that Micah did that stands out was that sack of Dak in overtime. when it looked like Dak was about to run it in and put Dallas on top by a touchdown in overtime, forcing Green Bay to have to go for a touchdown to just continue the game or maybe win it by going for two, which would have been crazy.

14:06Rich Eisen:That was a significant play by Micah. Certainly when everyone's gassed and he found another gear again to go chase him down from the other side of the field. just again just proving again how you know dallas could have won this game if they had micah honestly i don't know i mean would love have been you know thrown for all that stuff who knows bottom line is this thing is 100 put to bed unless the cowboys go on a run for the ages or the packers go on a run for the ages that's as far as i'm concerned here unless there's some sort of as i said book about it certainly not going to see a a documentary on it that the cowboys are helping produce unless unless they win without micah let's play jerry jones's sound by first because you know he was available after the game he was available before the game well i mean it was kind of a setup i don't know why in the game chris i don't know anybody asked him why they paid Dak instead of, why he paid Dak instead of Micah, because it's a quarterback driven league.

15:12Rich Eisen:I can give you the answer before you even hear the soundbite. It's a quarterback driven league. And didn't you see what Dak did last night? Yeah. And Dak, when you have a quarterback who can do what Dak does, you pay him. Handsomely. Yes. He didn't even want to, I think he even won a playoff game by that point when he had a contract, as opposed to some other people who are making 50 some odd million a year. Anyway, this was the answer to that question. It's very simple. Dak was indispensable in my mind. And so, yes. And Michael wasn't. How bad did you feel? I mean, it's just numbers. It's that easy.

15:49And that's not personal at all. It's just that without Dak and without that experience he's got and without the leadership and all of those kinds of things, last year, I decided that we need to make him the highest paid I think offensive coordinator I believe that held it for a little while there, but the numbers weren't there with Micah

16:14Rich Eisen:numbers weren't there with Micah I mean, okay and now Micah Parsons talking about this revenge game and whether Jerry reached out to him or not and all that sort of business throughout the entire process All in all, the emotions for me being in Dallas went away the moment they traded me. I think, you know, I even told D-Y, I said, understanding, you know, the people that you're around. Like when Goody told me that he was trading for me, he said, let me call Kenny before it breaks. The importance of the organization and that, like I didn't even get to talk to my owner, the person that drafted me.

17:00I found out through my agent like I just feel like uh so to me that emotion side was pointless because the same way he called me in his office as a man he couldn't tell me as a man so to me that that uh that emotion side was gone it was more about a respect factor at this point

17:19Rich Eisen:listen uh I would play you the soundbite about Jerry Jones being asked about not communicating with Micah, his answer was like, it would have been disrespectful or it's not, it's inappropriate to talk to a player the week of the game. It's nobody was talking to Jerry or meaning about the week of the game. You're talking about throughout this entire process when Micah said he didn't reach, you didn't reach out during the summer and all that stuff. And, and of course, as Micah saying, just at least call me up and say, you be the one to tell me it's over.

17:53Rich Eisen:now you know why i'm saying this thing's played it's played out like do you really want to hear any more about this does any is anybody out there want to hear anything more about this sort of thing no the cowboys are one two and one the packers are two one and one that's all that matters right now am i wrong tj do you want to hear more about it as a cowboy fan i don't want to hear about half the things that about dallas that we hear about and yet we do it's not about what i want it's about what what makes people turn the channel and and watch well i don't i'm I'm done with it. I hope you're right.

18:22Rich Eisen:I'm done with it, unless there's something completely new that we don't know about that actually indicates whether one team can no longer be run properly or the other team overpaid for somebody because X, Y, and Z is going on behind the scenes. I'm uninterested. Over. This thing's done with. Unless they play each other in the playoffs. Now we're talking. Well, Rich, now that it's over and we're turning the page, Does that mean that we can finally delete this drop? Macca. Done, right? No. No, no, no, no. Does he know? You're going to get rid of it, right? No. Does he know? It's going to be embellished, Rich.

19:00Like Steve Hardy would say. That's not going anywhere. No, no, no, no. You know, you are the worst. Hold on a second. You really are. The Packers. Hold on a second. The Packers still have a guy named Micah, right? Macca. Yeah. So, and Parsons isn't going anywhere. This one could go away. Micah. No, no. Jerry Jones one can go. Who knows? I can go. I mean, it's already done with. Seth Rikershen wants to do a deep dive and take us inside the meeting that blew up the deal. I thought we'd already seen that. I'm kind of into that.

19:29Rich Eisen:Green Bay's on a bye right now. They're 2-1-1. You know, what happens when they come off the bye home against Cincinnati? You know? You know what I mean? Like, let's see what happens. Down the road. What happens with Green Bay? You know, is Micah going to be able to run down Kyler Murray enough? What happens when the next big game is a revenge game for somebody against the Packers in Aaron Rodgers? That's a big one. You're going to put Aaron Rodgers on his behind because he's currently leading the NFC North by two games. I mean, the AFC North by two games. He's the king of the AFC North now. The once upon a time king of the NFC North.

20:11Here, coach. What's going to happen with Bryce Young? You're going to take care of the Panthers when you're supposed to beat the Panthers? What happens when you've got Jalen Hurts coming into your house on a Monday night? That's what matters now. And then for the Dallas Cowboys, you might bring it up if they have trouble with a pass rush. But last night, they were rushing four against Love and getting some pressure. Jadavian Clowney came up with a big fumble. He's part of a forced fumble and a fumble recovery on Jordan Love. The problem is. So I just want to put this thing to bed right now, man.

20:51We can say the Micah thing, but our problem still is when you've got Romeo Dobbs scoring three touchdowns. You would have thought I was a Capulet the way I hated Romeo last night. Wow. Like, come on. Wow. Thank you. Wow. At last, poor Micah. I knew him well. I thought I did. To win or not to win. Look at this. Actually, to tie or not to tie. Which, by the way, leads me to the next thing before we go to our first break here. That's not from Rumi and Juliet, Mike, but that's okay. It's okay. Neither was my reference as well. My reference is from Macbeth. I just wanted to dump on Mike. Good enough.

21:29Thank you. Thank you. The tie game. Nobody wants it. Nobody wants it. Nobody wants it. Nobody wants it. Certainly not Dak. Dak, I think, in fact, said as much after the game. Who wants a tie? Certainly not Dak Prescott. You don't play the game for ties. No, you don't. I've told you before, I don't care about the stats. I don't care about the ups and downs, the abs and flows. I just care about the end result and the win. And so when you don't get that, right now it's tough for me. You know, I guess 10 years in, the first tie I've been a part of, it's hard to kind of wrap my head around it because I know I'd feel a hell of a lot worse if it was a loss.

22:08But I'm not satisfied. Not that I would be if we won. But, yeah, it's a weird feeling. You know who doesn't want to tie either? I don't believe Dick Vitale wants to tie either. No, no, definitely not. Dickie V chimed in on this? You showed me this during the Overreaction Monday podcast, right? I was scrolling last night. And Dickie V, if we want to put it up, Dickie V chimed in. Oh! Really so disappointed. After watching for about four hours, it ends in a 40-40 tie. The NFL Rules Committee must come up with rules that ultimately determines a winner. That's all caps. All caps. All caps winner. Both teams played with great passion and intensity, and the QBs were fantastic.

22:47You know what? Ties are not. They're not awesome with a capital A. No. Awesome, baby. They're not. Mitch Eisen is awesome, baby, with a capital A. I'm not a tie. I'm awesome. You know what's not awesome? Ties in the NFL. You ain't wearing one today. We got to fix this. I think it's time to get rid of the ties. I said this on Overreaction. and I think it's time. This is ridiculous. Jerry Jones was talking about the game being great for the NFL in America. How? Hit. That game was probably a great game for the NFL as far as a showcase for the game and competition because you had outstanding quarterback play.

23:27You had some very talented people out there playing. You certainly had one of the most expensive players in the history of the NFL out there playing. And so I guess everybody was going to take a look tonight and decide, is he worth all that? Jerry, what are you making the third round? Take a look. Oh, boy! I mean, it's not over for him. No, it ain't no pay-to-turn, man. Wow.

23:52Rich Eisen:Hey, listen, he's paying Dak$60 million a year. Did you know that? Well, I know because he mentions it almost every time the mic's in front of the seat. Let me just say this about ties. They suck. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants them. the defenses were gassed though you saw it at the end of overtime but some as again micah found a reserve to sack jack and the cowboys almost got out of there with a win because jordan love and the packers damn near took every last second off the clock to throw one more interception before they brought mcmanus out there for the game tying field goal here's my response you can't have double overtime in the regular season you simply can't the packers have a bye this week the cowboys have got to go visit the jets and to their benefit the jets are coming off of an actual shorter week yeah because the jets are playing in miami on monday night the cowboys just finished up you know got to bed probably 2 a.m their time in dallas you can't have double overtime games in the regular season you simply can't i understand that regular season games mean a lot in the NFL.

25:03Rich Eisen:I get it. But. Yeah, the way this tie is going to mess up so many playoffs. It's difficult for fans to follow and it makes no sense. As fans, we were told there would be no math. All I'm saying is this. Love the new overtime rule where whoever gets the ball first, if they score a touchdown, the other team gets a chance to match that. Now, that was new to this year. It was new to the playoffs. in previous years they made it new to the regular season this year my problem when they made that rule had i been in the competition committee as i think i should be as a voice of the fan that i would say you've got to make the overtime period longer so one team gets a possession that's about it you know if there are trades of possessions as there was between the giants and the and the uh cowboys by the way just two weeks ago i get it that's they're now two for two with overtime games in the Metroplex this year.

26:00Rich Eisen:So I understand what I'm saying isn't the case every time. I think it's going to be more likely than not we see an overtime like the one we saw last night, where it's just one team gets one possession, the other team gets another possession, and you're going to get more ties than not. Unless you extend the overtime period, give me five more minutes, make it the same length of time in an actual quarter, not 10 minutes, 15 minutes that way it's not that way you're going to actually have to start to think about whether you relinquish the ball to start overtime is every team is going to do right now under the current overtime rules because they want to know exactly how many downs that they can possibly play with knowing the score when they get the ball second and nobody wants to tell me it was great for the nfl yes sunday night football ratings probably through the roof packers cowboys micah Parsons back in Dallas going into overtime, 40-40, score a gami?

26:56Sure. You're signing up for that. Yeah, I get it. But at the end of the day. Got to have a winner. We are all unsatisfied. From all of us to Dick Vitale. What's up, Dickie V? Put me on the competition committee, A. B, give me five more minutes. What's five more minutes? You're not going to give me anything more. Five minutes of game time is more like 30 of real time. Give me five more minutes of game time.

27:22Rich Eisen:Five more minutes of game time. That's all. If you're going to change the regular season overtime rules to match the postseason ones, where a touchdown and the first possession on offense doesn't wrap it up, give me five more minutes. Otherwise, you're going to get more ties, I think. And one last factoid here before we throw the break. Nice long first segment here on this Monday. Cooper. And another thing, Volga. Cooper, my 14-year-old boy. A boy. he asked me, Dad, how many teams have won the Super Bowl with a tie in their regular season record? I said, Coop, that's a good question. I reached out to NFL Network Research.

28:02I found out there's only been three. I like this stat, yeah. Only been three, and the last team to do it were the 10-3-1 Pittsburgh Steelers in 1974.

28:11Rich Eisen:The Colts in 1970 were 11-2-1, and the Packers in the first ever Super Bowl win, 9-4-1. That's it. As a matter of fact, the Dallas Cowboys came up with their first ever regular season tie last night. Did you know that? I did not know that. Did you know that leaves only one team who's never tied, ever? You're New England Patriots. No way. Never had a tie. Ever. We're Patriots. We win stuff. I'm giving out tie facts, even though I can't stand up. Because I'm a professional. You know what's funny? The Steelers, that tie came in week two against the Broncos. Also really high scoring. 35-35. There you go.

28:52Rich Eisen:No more ties. No more talking about Micah leaving Dallas anymore. I don't want to hear it anymore. Yeah, delete it, Mike. Unless it's beneficial to me. Can't wait to talk a little bit of baseball. I wonder whose teams in this room made it and whose did not. Scott Van Pelt, hour number three. Don't go anywhere. We're off and running here on this Monday, week four, prior to Monday Night Football, doubleheader edition of the Rich Eisen Show.

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