Hour 1: Dusty May to Mavs & Giannis Trade Breakdown, plus ‘The Bear’ Star Lionel Boyce

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1:19Rich Eisen:You have me freaking kidding. I can't believe it. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles, today's guests, actor Lionel Boyce, ESPN senior NBA writer Brian Wintors, actor Joe Lotrulio, and now it's Rich Eisen. Well, hey, everybody. How you been here on the Rich Eisen Show? I'm back in the chair, everybody. I'm not tanned, and I'm definitely not rested. We call it a trip, not a vacation when you're on vacation with three kids, but I'm thrilled to be back here on this program, and thanks to everybody that hung with this show last week, Tommy P and Kirk Morrison and also Andrew Siciliano, everybody that sat in the chair, and you, 844-204-RICH, number to dial right here on the program, locked into the World Cup in every possible way.

2:14Rich Eisen:It has been a fascinating watch. The NBA free agency appears to be off the rails already. a couple of days before the new league year. The draft is in the books. I lost my basketball national champion coach. I mean, so Giannis got traded to the Heat after I told him years ago, don't do that. So much to hit on this program with you. Three in-studio guests. Brian Winhorst is going to join us at the top of hour two in studio for 40 full minutes. For us to ask him what is going on? What is rumor? What is conjecture? What is real? What is happening? what might happen that's all to come on this program and hour number two two in studio guests on either side of a uh an in-person visit from brian winhorst an hour two uh hour three joe the delightful jet fan and one of our favorites uh on this program he is coming in in support of the film gail daughtry and the celebrity sex pass that's available in theaters coming up in a couple of Fridays on July 10th.

3:18Rich Eisen:He will be here. And then in our green room right now is the man who plays Marcus in the brilliant show The Bear on FX and Hulu. Lionel Boyce is in our green room. He's going to join us in about 20 minutes time before we dive fully into what's going on in the NBA world. 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. Win-loss game still white hot to the touch. And also it's an overreaction Monday and hour three. Good to see you, Christopher Brockman. I believe this page is set. Great to see you. Welcome back, my friend. Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Yeah. DJ Mikey D is in D's nuts working the faders. Good morning.

3:52Rich Eisen:What's going on, Mike Deltoff? How are you doing? How are you? Good to see you. Good morning. TJ Jefferson, the candle's lit over there. What's going on, man? Welcome back. I'm going to be honest with you. I can't believe I'm saying this. Yeah. It felt like we were spinning off the rails a little bit last week, so I'm glad you're back. What do you mean? What do you mean spinning off the rails? I'm just saying. We were all over the place. Did I miss anything? I don't know what that means. Okay. We were just all over the place. Okay, good. But I'm glad that we're back and now you're going to. You're pulling you back in?

4:16You can't give us too much. I'm pulled back in. That's for sure.

4:20Rich Eisen:So again, there is a lot happening in the NBA that's maybe happening. Draymond Green has rejected a player option that is apparently not him desiring to leave, but actually according to Shams opening the door for the flexibility for the Warriors to run it back between LeBron and Anthony Davis to go to Golden State again we'll talk about that possibility there's also the return to sender that might be working just up the road at into what don't returning kawaii to toronto it's crazy that's possibly in the ether as well um so lots to talk about with brian winhorst and i'll unpack my thoughts on the possibilities of that happening later on but i do want to hit a couple of subject matters that i did not hit because i I was out of the chair and on vacation on a trip with Susan, the kids.

5:33Rich Eisen:And I also, I also unplugged. Okay. I really did unplug to the point where Cooper let me know. Antonio Freeman was a guest on the show to talk about his son scoring in the world cup against Australia. Had no idea, by the way, great, great, great, great, great, great conversations. That was good.

5:52Rich Eisen:And so I didn't do the, you know, Hey, here I am on vacation, but I got to take some time to give you two cents by flipping my phone around on myself. And I'm like, I'm just going to talk about it here. I could not have been more gut punched and disappointed that Dusty May was leaving the University of Michigan. So you didn't have a heads up? The Dallas Mavericks, no idea. Not a single inkling. I saw Dusty just last month when I hosted a coaches forum for the University of Michigan here in Southern California when Dusty was here with the rest of the coaching staff for the Big Ten meetings down the road here in Southern California.

6:37Rich Eisen:I had no sense of it at all. He didn't seem unhappy. He didn't seem edgy. He didn't seem anything. But Jason Kidd was still the coach of the Dallas Mavericks at the time. You know? and I was just absolutely gut punched that this happened with Dusty. But I can't blame him. I cannot, I don't know how much they're even paying him. But, and it doesn't matter if John Shire was offered the job first and said, no, I'm staying at Duke, which is the rumor. and yet listen if you're the mavericks you want to get cooper flags coach right yeah exactly and say how would you like to continue coaching cooper flag but if you're dusty may and you're in this world where um of college athletics where you have to re-recruit everybody every year and you're going into the transfer portal every year and you're out there, you know, trying to get your NIL dollars up, staying competitive in that regard.

7:57Rich Eisen:And you just hung a banner and the Mavericks are like, would you like to come to the NBA where there are actual collectively bargain rules involving contracts and free agents and scheduling and everything else with an offseason for you and your family an actual offseason where you'll be able to you know hang out

8:31Rich Eisen:and you can do that and coach Cooper Fleck with Kyrie Irving coming back and a whole new way of looking at the Dallas Mavericks in the front office. And you can do that. And four years ago, you were in Florida Atlantic under the same rules that you're still trying to win with at Michigan. Kind of don't blame him. I just don't know what Michigan did to try and keep him. I don't know if it was even possible. You're hearing rumors he was grinding gears with the athletic director and vice versa. But the bottom line is, you know, I can't blame him. Who the hell wants to coach college anymore? John Shire?

9:20Rich Eisen:I guess. You're right. I guess you're right. And everybody else that's staying put. There's a lot of them. But Shire might be the only one that was offered the job to come to the Dallas Mavericks and coach Cooper Flagg. And say, no. You know, and everybody was like, wow, he took Marez Johnson over a Di Mara and Yaxel. That was a surprise too. I thought he would take a Di Mara. Maybe it wasn't his choice. Yeah, I mean, he just - No, Marez is a terrific rebounder, kid, player. might be the best professional out of the entire team. It's entirely possible that it happens. Yaxel also plays the same.

10:07Rich Eisen:He's got Cooper flag, so you're not taking Yaxel for that position. Listen, I wish him the best. Everything that he left for Michigan. He left a banner in the rafters, man. I just thought we could start. What more could you ask for? A dynasty. And him staying there. and him being there. In today's climate, the dynasty is tough. I hear you. And Coach Boynton, who is now having to fill the issues, I'd love to see him sitting on a bench just like Michigan State. Like that photograph we just put up of Dusty May. This is what I'll remember. It's just as much as him cutting down the net. Put it up one more time.

10:52Rich Eisen:him showing up and saying hey I don't care I don't care I'm gonna sit on Izzo's bench in front of these kids yelling at me because I know I've got the better team the better sense of everything I know this is a rivalry I know I'm just new to it but we're confident we're Michigan and it was so great I'll never forget this moment especially since again every kid that you see behind Dusty loving their team loving Izzo not a chance they could have gone into Michigan without a little bit of help

11:29Rich Eisen:alright I'm sure I'm wrong about that incredible incredible what a run too brief wish he could stay I again when we have Wynn Horst in our number two I want to know about whatever he knows about the Mavericks when they knocked on his door whether Michigan tried their best to keep him. Could they even come close to what the Mavericks were offering?

11:56Rich Eisen:So I can't blame him is the headline. No, do I want to. Thanks for the banner, Dusty. Let me see. Yeah. He sent me these. I got the little baggies. Confetti bag. I'm a Y-Rod of Michigan basketball. Piece of the net and some confetti. Never take that away from you. I don't know. I got to take him out of the baggies. It looks like a Lunchable or anything else. A Lunchable. So that happened. Yeah, that was big news. And then, you know, what's old is new again. Nostalgia. That's why I'm loving doing this series. This was SportsCenter. I think people are digging it. Oh, yeah. See the reactions. Definitely.

12:45Rich Eisen:Showing everybody the latest episode with Chris Fowler, the old days of him interviewing Emmett Smith as the first subject interviewee of Scholastic Sports America in 1986. And then the first college game day on the road in Notre Dame. You know, everything is old new. It's old as new again. At least I'm trying to make it that way now that I celebrated a birthday while I was gone. by the way, Craig Kilbourne's the next episode and final episode of season one of this with SportsCenter coming up on Friday. It's going to be a classic. But the reason why I bring this up is you just never know what's going to come around again and what's relevant again.

13:31Years ago, I came up with what still stands today,

13:38Rich Eisen:I believe, the worst take I've ever had on this program. when the Miami Heat, fresh off of shocking everyone in the bubble by making an NBA Finals against a Lakers team that, by the way, talking about what's old is new again, LeBron and Anthony Davis may run it back one more time. Somewhere else. Somewhere else, but they may run back from that championship season that everyone who likes to slag on the Lakers, certainly here in this studio, talks about an asterisk championship. But the Heat went on a heck of a run. and everyone was like, maybe they should trade for Giannis. And I'm like, don't do that.

14:18Rich Eisen:Don't give up Tyler Hero for him. Don't give up the core of your future for him. He stayed put in Milwaukee, won a championship, made my take even worse. Oh, I was gone. Guess who traded for Giannis by sending Tyler Hero in part of the package? That was he. the heat got Giannis after all six years later six years later and now here comes the take again he gave up too much for him hero and haquez who's left to play with and a pick swap here I mean I won't even get into this thing I mean this thing's a ripple in a pond that will have reverberations all the way to the 2033 draft that's an unprotected first round pick unbelievable that seven drafts from now we'll be talking about this trade will there be a trophy in the case interestingly enough though they got bobby portis too who we all know is no slouch right right but you trade for yannis six years later and the question is and i'll throw it open to the group because i didn't know what your take was last week am i right or will my take just be new again with the same old moniker of worst take i've ever had in the history of this program it feels like it's too much feels like it's too late too much too late.

16:07Who's playing with them? I think that's the biggest thing. Well, Bam is. Right. It's Bam, it's Giannis, and it's who else? Are they better than the Knicks? Wow. By the way, ask that again. Can you ask that question again? Are they better than the Knicks? They're the defending champs. I'm going to put them first out of respect. Thank you, sir. Are they better than the Pistons, Orlando, Boston, Atlanta, Cleveland? I was with Coop. I think that's nose across the board.

16:36Rich Eisen:And the entire Schuster family. Yeah. They were relieved that the Celtics didn't trade Jalen Brown for Giannis. Well. They were relieved. Now, Jalen could be gone in the next 48 hours anyway. Seems likely at this point. But they were relieved they didn't do it. I questioned their basketball acumen. Really? You wanted Giannis? You would have traded Jalen Brown for Giannis. No, I don't want to break up the Jays, but if that was the trade and the offer, yeah, a one-for-one and some first-round picks that you don't really know what it's going to be. A one-for-one, the Boston is still an elite team in the East.

17:18Miami acquired him, and they're still going to be a play-in team. You know what?

17:24Rich Eisen:I think that's why, clearly, the Bucs traded him to Miami. me this offer is way better than even jalen brown and a couple of picks yeah if you're if your philosophy is we are going to take this is what i said last week if you're going to take the oklahoma city acquire endless picks and and say tell your fans hey the blueprint is what they did in okc so in a couple of years this could be us in theory then yeah that's the good plan if your plan is to sell tickets and try to win games now you know you probably should have taken the bona fide superstar in jalen brown and the crazy thing man is that this take is back six years later right and the team that you said don't do it did it right because they also had jimmy butler at the time who might be part of the lebron ad reunion in golden state at the end of the day wild can't make it up i think jimmy would be gone though in that case you think uh how can they keep all of them when is jimmy coming back to i mean he's still recovering yeah that part who the hell knows i don't know i think i think who the hell knows you're gonna put anything past anything right now no no no no chris i think that he waited they knew rich was gone out of the chair i saw that i'm like i cannot believe my terrible take from 2020 is back in 2026 i can just think back to when you were saying it and i was still kind of new here and i wasn't sure if it was okay for me to push back on you now i know that you don't you're fine with it but i sat here and it was the day three and i was just sitting here like oh my gosh i gotta say something i gotta say well i i thought i was vaccinated from that opinion and sure enough i was back in 2020 the first guy i knew who was fully vaccinated who got covid you need a booster rich and here i am yeah you were the first of the group here yeah you remember that yeah i was like oh no i wound up on cnn talking about it i was one of the first anybody had ever heard of i was like guys this is not good for us oh god now here's my take back wild days damn it wild days i cannot believe the heat traded for janice and i'm sitting here thinking do i go on the show again and say, why did they do that?

19:44Rich Eisen:Why did they do that? I love Jaquez, man. He's a great basketball player, and I use the word great. And hero. By the way, give it up to the Bucs. I kind of like that trade, too. Yeah, we'll see if he ends up sticking around. I know, right? Yeah. Wynhorse joining us in hour number two to talk about all of this and what is happening with Golden State. are the Clippers sending Kawhi back to Toronto what is going on with Jalen Brown is there anything there by the way LaMelo Ball traded the Timberwolves flipping the script on everything going on you know it's it's unreal that Nas Reed is sent I know that people love him in Minnesota and it's odd that um that lamella ball is also included in a trade involving a guy with the last name green because that's the way he sees red when he's behind the wheel of a car sorry well no he he doesn't see red you know he just goes he sees green and he sees red full speed ahead he just goes have your head on a swivel minneapolis 844-204-RICH number to dial right here on the program Lionel Boyce of The Bear coming up next

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23:00Rich Eisen:Radio audience has returned. The man who plays Marcus, the dessert chef, on FX's The Bear, fifth and final season of this fantastic show. Lionel Boyce is here on the program. The thing I love about the show, as you just mentioned again, for the TV audience, is that everybody in the show is a human, like a fully formed human even though parts of their psyche is not fully formed you know what i mean or their personality they have to work on themselves yeah in the same way that you're making a recipe the same way that you're making a meal that what you're trying to put a restaurant together it needs to all function properly as a team and the individuals themselves are potentially broken yeah i i can't get enough of this program you know what i mean like that yeah right yeah What's it like getting a script?

23:48It's cool. This show, we get all of the scripts before we go to shoot. All of them? Yeah. The entire season's finished? They'll write all of it. They go off and write it, and then we get it a couple of weeks before we go out to Chicago. So we get to read it all and get to digest it before we get to set and start shooting. This season was different because this was the first time we got everything except for the last episode. Chris Storer, who did show he held on to that one for a little bit longer. so we were all itching to like know what is like what's the last script and like you know you have a lot of questions and so you ask him and he's just like you know he's like dropping sprinkling like tidbits here and there you just kind of i just want to know what it is and then when we finally got the last one it is very it kind of like dropped a hammer dropped into whatever the phrase is it just became real and you're like this is over and then you start to get a little sad start to like wonder what is life and get a little existential so um this was the first season

24:42Rich Eisen:in which you and the rest of your fellow actors didn't know the full season-long storyline arc for your character until the very end, is what you're saying? Kind of. So this season, it takes place over the course of one day. Sort of like the pit, in a way, where it's just one day in the life you're talking about? Yeah, it's like that, and there's other things that kind of have done that as well. And yeah, it's just like a magnifying lens on like Murphy's Law. It's like the, it's just focused centered around one service. So it has the form, the function kind of follows the form where it's just like, we want to just show this place.

25:25It's like its last like Hail Mary trying to go for this star and like putting everything into it. They don't have any more, they don't have any money. All of their, like they're just watching everything in the fridge kind of dwindle as the day goes. And it's just like any possible thing that can go wrong kind of happens. So that's just kind of where it's like it's just it's one last stress on the way out. But, yeah, so because of that, in the first seven of the eight episodes are kind of truncated into this moment. So it kind of we needed what we we had, what we needed to kind of execute and like if you have any questions and they would give you answers.

26:01And it wasn't that long into the shoot before we got the last episode. So it wasn't like we didn't get it until like on the way out where you just like, all right, well, yeah.

26:10Rich Eisen:Okay. And in terms of, you know, this season, as you just mentioned, so there's no standalone episodes similar to the one that you are clearly, you know, well known for the Honeydew episode, right? Where you're in Copenhagen, which is a standalone episode that I think stands out. Do you get, you must get that a lot for you and your character and your Emmy nominated. Yeah, that's true. let's not let's not forget you're an emmy nominated actor i'm sorry i did not introduce you as no no that's cool i forget i don't think i just i don't even think about it was that was that yeah that that that episode is was something that you submitted in its own way or somebody did on your behalf or they did it on my behalf i think that's the beautiful thing about this show is that because it is so focused about the humans who are who inhabit this kitchen that they i think season one you just kind of dropped into this thing that's moving at 800 miles per hours and then season two they start to explain who these people are in every season there's an episode that kind of focuses in takes you out of the kitchen and kind of makes a person who's 3d somehow even more 3d or 4d and it was i was grateful that they did that with marcus where you kind of got to understand this person and it's also this kind of aha clicking moment and it's a point of inflection for him in his career because this is the thing that kind of, I think they ignite the spark season one and season two, meeting Luca in Copenhagen, having this experience being out in this place on his own.

27:40That's kind of the thing that really like sends him on this journey of confidence to be like, I can do all these things in the kitchen myself. I want to do this. I can get after it. And it's a thing like, I think it is funny because it's similar to sports where you have these moments where you're, you're practicing and there's like something you want to do and you're doing it, doing it, doing it. And then there's just a small, small, granular, like natural click. We like, oh, I get it now. It just like breaks open. So it's cool that that's kind of what those standalone episodes kind of function as for all the characters.

28:10Well, it's also like sports in effect where you don't know when that moment's