Hour 1: Guest Host Suzy Shuster, NFL Insider Tom Pelissero, plus Eagles/Giants Preview

20:39Back here on The Rich Eisen Show. We are on ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. I'm Susie Schuster in for Rich Eisen, and it is time to talk to Tom Pelissero. He's going to join us right now here on the Rich Eisen Show. He is en route to take over this show for tomorrow. And Tom, before we talk football, I have to ask you, does it creep you out how obsessive the guys are about talking to you about the head of hair that you have on your head?

21:04Tom Pelissero:I mean, from Brockman's perspective, I imagine any hair is a point of jealousy. So, you know, I hate to flex on him every single week on the show. Even when it's messy, even when I'm in travel mode here, it's just, you know, it's still got them beat. You okay over there, Chris? You okay? You know, I think if you're blessed with that type of lettuce, you should show it off to the people. Let the world see it. But, you know, Tom's his own person. I don't want to judge too hardly here. Don't judge. I mean, the guys are always mooning over you. And I mean, I know how Rich is about it. So, like I said, thank God our kids got my hair.

21:40But anyway, let's talk about football, shall we? Flacco, is he an upgrade?

21:45Tom Pelissero:That's going to be the question here, Susie. The Joe Flacco we saw throwing an arm punt interception in Detroit is not that much different than what we've seen from Jake Browning so far. But certainly Joe Flacco is going to have better weapons for him in Cincinnati. He's throwing the ball to Jamar Chase and Tee Higgins. That's a lot different than throwing to Jerry Judy and some young players that they have in Cleveland. Joe Flacco has played in this similar type of an offense before. You know, obviously, Zach Taylor comes from working with Sean McVay in the past. Flacco has played with other former Shanahan McVay assistants.

22:21Tom Pelissero:He played with Michael Fleur with the Jets, played with Rich Scangarello years ago in Denver, a tenure that I think a lot of people don't even necessarily remember. And the reason that the coaches in that tree, like Joe Flacco, is it's the arm twitch. It's the ability to see it and rip it and get the football out really quickly. He's not going to extend plays a ton outside the pocket. You know, he's not the most mobile guy, but he can stand in and he can throw an accurate ball. Really, what they're trying to do as much as anything is just calm down the turnovers that have really made life difficult for the Bengals to this point in the season.

22:55Tom Pelissero:You know, there'd be a difference if we're talking about going out and trading a pick and taking on cash for Kirk Cousins or trading something of significance for, you know, be it a Russell Wilson or Jameis Winston, a 5-6 pick swap for a guy making very close to the minimum salary is about as low leverage as it gets here. I thought that perhaps they would give Jay Pony another start here, but when you look at how the schedule lines up, if you're going to give Joe Flacco a whole week to try to microwave that rhythm and timing and tempo and understanding the offense and the feel for his teammates, this is the week to do it because after that, you've got a short week to a Thursday night game against Pittsburgh.

23:29Tom Pelissero:They might practice once at most next week. you know if you were to lose the next two with Jake Browning all of a sudden two and five and there's not a lot of point in playing Joe Flacco so they're going to take their shot right now and we'll see what type of impact it makes on Sunday against the Packers team that yes the Browns beat with Flacco as quarterback but if you remember that game they didn't do a whole lot offensively until late Jordan Love interception gives them a short field for a touchdown other than that the offense didn't do much on that day I imagine that you know Jeff Halfley sitting there and you know basically figured out how to apply even though we got to cover those receivers differently we're probably going to attack Flacknell very much the same way.

24:04But I think what you're saying about almost calming down the ship, some of the reports out of the camp there were saying that offensive linemen were even saying we're learning so much from him, even in the quick turnaround. What will having a veteran like that do to kind of quell the issues, maybe give those some confidence? God knows he's not going to go in there and light it up. But at the same time, it's just that steadying man at the helm.

24:32Tom Pelissero:Well, it'll be great as long as they're winning. You know, he can be as steady as he wants, but if the Bengals put up 10 points this week, it's not going to make a whole lot of difference. I think that if you broaden this out to the bigger picture here, remember, this is not, hey, we need Joe Flacco to make a playoff run. This is, we need Joe Flacco to keep us a little above 500 until late in the season and hope Joe Burrow is ready to return. But bringing Joe Burrow back, do you think that they really can do that? Yes. If they are in playoff contention, there is an opportunity here. I mean, it's a 12 - to 14-week injury is what I was told when Burrow first got hurt.

25:07Tom Pelissero:So you're talking about mid-December if you're pushing it, maybe late December, early January. But somewhere down the line, there is that opportunity out there where perhaps they can get him back down the stretch. And so they're trying to go 500 or a little above. They're not out of it in their own division. Obviously, the Steelers are atop the division right now, and I don't think that anybody's looking at the Steelers as an unbeatable team. You have the Ravens who are the favorite coming in, and they may have to go out there without Lamar Jackson this week to try to stave off one in five. When you're when you've got as much money invested cash and cap in your star players as the Bengals do, you're you're thinking about taking our shot right now.

25:42Tom Pelissero:And for a Bengals franchise that never makes trades, almost never makes trades, literally three players in this in season, you know, acquired since 1973. three, Joe Flacco being the third one. This is, you know, them breaking the mold a little bit and saying, you know what, we can't just say, well, you know, let's just try to make do with Jake Browning. They're trying to flip this thing immediately. And it starts out by going up against the Packers team that's coming off a buy-in is really, really talented. You mentioned Lamar. What are we thinking about a timetable for his comeback? Once he hurt that hamstring against Kansas City, the logic would always have told you that he wasn't going to play in these first two games.

26:20Tom Pelissero:If it was significant enough to, according to John Harbaugh, there's no way he could have come back against the Chiefs. That's the type of hamstring injury that if you were to try to push him out there a week or two weeks later, you're at the risk of a setback and something that could linger with him all season, particularly with Lamar's play style. You need him to be able to move around. And so if they can get through this game, they then have the bye. That gives Lamar three, four weeks total to heal up. There's no reason as of now to believe he's not going to be ready on the other side of the bye.

26:48Tom Pelissero:We'll have to see. You know, Lamar's kind of his own character. He could show up on Friday and decide I'm playing this week. But right now, all the signs point toward another week of Cooper Rush slash potentially Snoop Huntley in the lineup. And they've got a really tough task ahead of them on Sunday as well. Yeah, as a recovering sideline reporter, I'm always happy to talk about soft tissue injuries. What about in Philadelphia? What are we thinking about there with the meeting that looked like it happened on Monday with Saquon, with AJ, with Jalen Hurts? What are you hearing? And is there a there there?

27:20Tom Pelissero:Well, I think that in the big picture, and Nick Sirianni alluded to this yesterday, it's a good thing when guys want to talk. It's a good thing when they want to work through issues. You know, the Eagles could easily say, well, we're the Super Bowl champs. We're just going to figure this thing out. Or they can get together and go, all right, how do we as leaders of this team push this going forward and get things going better? From an offensive perspective, I personally think that especially on a short week, you're not going to have a lot of practice time to work things out. You're barely even going to review the tape from the prior game.

27:49Tom Pelissero:It's got to be your leaders, your highest paid players, your best players need to rise up and drive the change. I mean, you can point very clearly to some statistical anomalies through the course of this season that would tell you why the Eagles offense has been struggling. There's no world in which Saquon Barkley should be getting one carry in the second half of the game. You're up two touchdowns. There's no world in which A.J. Brown, to this point in the season, five games in, should have essentially had one productive half of football. Jalen Hurts is playing much the same way that we've seen him play in the past.

28:20Tom Pelissero:He's obviously really dynamic as a runner. He can make things happen in the passing game. They're just not clicking at this point. Part of the issue with success, Susie, is that every year you're going to lose when you win like the Eagles have won. You're going to lose people. And the Eagles have been in this perpetual cycle of either losing a coordinator or choosing the wrong coordinator and having to move on from him. every year going back to high school jalen hurts has had a different coordinator so the same bumps we seem to see every year from the eagles in the early portion of the season they're hitting again this is a team that seemed to have it all figured out down the stretch of last season you know the bar is high in philadelphia anybody else would be talking about well they're four and one you know yeah they got some things to work out offensively they'll get better at it with the eagles you know it's defcon one but you know they have all the tools in place they are a relatively healthy football team the one of landon dickerson uh tomorrow night at the Giants, but this is absolutely a game that on paper, the Eagles should win and win handily.

29:14Tom Pelissero:Let's see what the philosophy is out of the gate. I'm a longstanding, going back to his days in Tennessee, I'm a big believer that your offense goes as A.J. Brown goes. He's a tone setter. He makes things happen. Yes, Saquon Barclay is your focal point, but the way that A.J. Brown can dictate things, when you get the ball in his hands, the juice that that gives him and the offense, I would not be surprised at all if they make sure they're getting the ball to A.J. Brown early tomorrow night. And for the Giants, I mean, Brian Dable had some high-level passive aggressive Jedi mind tricks. I was wondering what you thought about listening to him sending a message down the turnpike.

29:46Tom Pelissero:I should say tonight, by the way, I'm all lost on what day it is. I'm flying there to host this show on Friday. I know, I know. Keeping the seat warm for you. The game is tonight. You know, Brian Dable's got, he's got a lot to work through at this point in the season. You know, obviously they made the big switch to Jackson Dart. That gave them some juice going into this thing. This is a division game. These are the games that when you hire a coach in the NFC East, you want to be able to win. All right, short week. You're trying to stay relevant here, stay alive. You got to go out and you got to match them toe to toe.

30:17Tom Pelissero:They've got a lot of talent that they've amassed on the defensive side. They're obviously trying to figure things out since the Malik Neighbors injury on offense. They get Tyrone Tracy back tonight. They got Cam Scadaboo rolling pretty well, but they are banged up at wide receiver. No Darius Slayton either. That's not going to make it any easier on a young quarterback. I'll be fascinated to see what Brian Dable and Mike Kafka do with Jackson Dart in this game. Do they utilize his legs a little bit more? Do they run more design types of runs just to kind of get him into the game, get him feeling some early confidence?

30:48Tom Pelissero:Because you don't have that Malik neighbors. You can just run a bubble and let him go to work. You don't have those types of guys. Wondell Robinson is a nice receiver, but you don't have Malik neighbors on your team. So let's see how they try to get that offense going tonight. And I think that that's going to say a lot about whether or not they've got an opportunity to pull off an upset that really could kind of launch them as they go into this mini by this weekend. How about San Francisco? Are we going to see Mac Jones? It sure looks like it right now. It does. You know, Brock Purdy, he tried to come back after missing two games.

31:21Tom Pelissero:He aggravated that toe injury. Those are tricky. It's not to the extent of the Joe Burrow injury that was surgery in three months, but still, anytime you're dealing with a turf-toe-like injury, there's a lot of different things. Just the flexion of your foot can aggravate that thing and set you back. For Brock Purdy, I understand why he wants to get out on the field. I understand why the 49ers want him on the field. Mack Jones has played really well in his opportunities, but Brock Purdy is the guy that they paid. Brock Purdy is the guy who knows all the ins and outs of this offense. Brock Purdy is the guy who really unleashes a lot of the different things that you can do.

31:58Tom Pelissero:Mack has taken advantage of his opportunity. At minimum, you can sit there and go, listen, we're 3-0 with Mack. You've got time. You don't have to push yourself. Purdy's a competitor. He wants to be out there. But Mack Jones isn't 100 % either. But Mack Jones being close to 100 % versus Brock Purdy running the risk of yet another setback that sets him out for the long term, it certainly seems like the arrows are pointing toward another week with Mack Jones. And it was interesting to listen to Kendrick Byrne talking about him playing with him, of course, in New England, about how he just sees a much more relaxed player.

32:28And I'm curious about you in terms of what you see in him and how he has changed and why you think it's working for him there.

32:35Tom Pelissero:The number one thing, Susie, is Kyle Shanahan. Mac Jones is a classic Kyle Shanahan quarterback. And when they trade up to number three back in 2021, there's a reason that everybody believed it was for Mac Jones. That was a strong consideration for him before they kind of sold themselves on the upside of Trey Lance, had that second workout with him and all that. But if you talk about the traits that Kyle Shanahan looks for in a quarterback, it's somebody who is a fast processor, who is accurate with the football, and that Kyle can make automatic. Kyle Shanahan is as talented as anyone in the NFL at scheming people open, even when he doesn't have Brandon Ayuk.

33:10Tom Pelissero:And they traded Debo Samuel and Ricky Pearsall is hurt. And Juwan Jennings is hurt. He's still you watch the game last week. He's still scheming people open. Mac Jones is just he's a really good fit for that. And, you know, nothing against, you know, what, you know, some of the people that Mac Jones is working with in New England. But there was no consistency. There was not a longstanding type of a scheme and a process and a plan like they have in San Francisco with Kyle being there almost a decade now. He's just he's in the perfect spot for him. You know, he's kind of his little bit different personality.

33:45Tom Pelissero:He's obviously hyper competitive. He's I know they talked about on the broadcast last week. I heard that coming out in the draft that he was like the John McEnroe of the youth tennis circuit, you know, growing up, that he would break brackets and all that type of stuff. But he's also kind of got this, you know, aw shucks personality off the field. He's just he's a really good fit for what they want to do. It's obvious that Mac is enjoying, you know, every second of being able to get back out there and play. 49ers did a two year deal with him, by the way. So they've got one of the best values in terms of their backup quarterback, not just this year, but next year as well.

34:17Tom Pelissero:But, you know, bigger picture, think about the other quarterbacks that have gone through and been, you know, healed, so to speak, by either Kyle or Sean McVay. You saw Sam Darnold do that for a year, goes to Minnesota, then gets paid in Seattle. You saw Baker Mayfield for like six games go to L.A., then go to Tampa, and now he's back to being a star. Mack Jones, well, could be the next one of those. I think he's also an important reminder when we're quick to write off quarterbacks in particular as a boss, and this guy can't play, and they've got to get rid of him. I mean, New England shipped him off to Jacksonville for a late-round draft pick, and there was no future for him in New England.

34:51Tom Pelissero:But there are certain quarterback coaches, and I put Kyle Shannon in that category, certainly offensive coaches that are just so good at what they do that just the schematics of the thing and the environment that they build it helps engender that confidence that can put people back on track and that's what we've seen for three games with Mac what about Pearsall and Jennings Ricky Pearsall has been you know every injury that he's had it seems like it takes him longer than they expect it's always we think he's going to be out here then and it's another couple of weeks it's the same thing in this case he's got a knee issue uh that's going on they thought that he would be back practicing by now he wasn't out there doesn't mean he's not going to play on sunday and same thing with juan jennings he's got a couple of different injuries going on he's been banged up kind of perpetually you know the good news you mentioned kendrick born who we had on the insiders the other night one of you know the happiest guy the eternal optimist you know he's just you know blown away but what do you have like 10 catches for 140 yards or something crazy last week.

35:50Tom Pelissero:Think about who they're throwing to. It was Kendrick Bourne, who wasn't on the team at the start of camp. Sky Moore, who they traded for during camp. Mark Wieswald, his scantling, wasn't there during camp. And DeMarcus Robinson was suspended at the start of the season. They're literally an entire JV, number two unit wide receiver group, and they find ways to get those guys out there. Again, I remember saying this to Kyle Shanahan one time. I think it was during the Brandon Aiyuk stuff last year, and I was sitting in his office, and I'm like, do. You're as good at scheming up people as anybody.

36:19Tom Pelissero:He's like, no, it's a lot easier if you have good players to scheme it up for. And he's right. Elite receivers make everybody look better. But he finds a way. If you've got a trait, if you've got speed, if you've got route running ability, he's able to put you in positions to succeed. And that's one of the things that makes Kyle Shanahan special as a coach. Tom Palacero joining us here on the Rich Eisen show. Susie Schuster in for Rich. Gino, how long does he have in Vegas? It's bad right now. It's not good. It's just not good. He's really struggling, which, you know, so I was at the week one game in Foxboro, where it was bumpy in the first half, but Gino stepped up and made a bunch of big time throws in the second half, you know, to guys like, you know, Trey Tucker and other players that, you know, people I don't think the average fan has heard of.

37:05Tom Pelissero:Not having Brock Bowers is a big deal. You know, that's the straw that stirs the drink. He got banged up, I think, in the fourth quarter of that game. Has played, you know, several games, but wasn't himself. Then misses last week's game. No sign that he'll be back. When you lose your number one weapon, it's not a wide receiver per se, but Brock Bowers is essentially a wide receiver. He just plays a little bit different spot on the field. That does have a ripple effect on everyone else because, quite frankly, they're just not that talented outside of Bowers at the receiving positions. Jacoby Myers is a really good, solid receiver.

37:35Tom Pelissero:He's not getting targeted for whatever reason right now. Beyond that, you're relying on a bunch of young guys. Michael Mayer, their number two tight end, has also been out in recent weeks here. But a lot of this just boils down to Geno, whether it's decision making or accuracy. He's just not playing like we've seen Geno at his best. You know, the Raiders are paying him 40 million this year. They gave him a raise. There was no signing bonus in that deal. And he's not due, you know, guaranteed money beyond this season. So absolutely, there's a scenario in which they could move on from Geno Smith.

38:06Tom Pelissero:I don't get any sense right now that they're thinking about, you know, benching him, you know, going to Kenny Pickett. I don't know that Kenny Pickett is necessarily an upgrade. He didn't have a camp to kind of get used to how they're doing things with the Raiders either. At some point, some of the scrutiny is probably going to fall on Chip Kelly in this entire thing. You know, they've got a young guy in Ashton Gentry who's a ton of fun to watch, especially over these last couple of games. You know, how do you leverage him, take some of the pressure off of Geno Smith? Pete Carroll made reference to that the other day when he was asked about how do you get Geno on track?

38:36Tom Pelissero:He said, we got to run the football more and we got to run it better. That's kind of the answer that Pete has for everything from an offensive perspective. You go back to all those years with Russell Wilson, as much as people wanted to let Russ cook, a big part of the reason they were successful was they were the best running team in the NFL for a large portion of that time. And they didn't need Russ to go out and throw the ball over the yard for the first three quarters of the game. And until, hey, fourth quarter, we're down. All right, Russ, now do your magic. You know, it's kind of the same thing with Geno Smith, who was in that same type of a structure here.

39:09Tom Pelissero:Right now, for whatever reason, they don't really have that balance. Bauer's absence is a huge part of it. But certainly the longer that the struggles would go on for Geno Smith, the more we're talking about are the Raiders back in the quarterback market in 2026. Tom, thanks for your time. Have a safe flight here. And don't forget, like, you know, I bring the guys food. So just don't come empty handed. Wow. Well, you got to set that bar. That's not that's not cool. I got to throw darts. You come at the seat, you got to. What did you bring them? What did you bring? Donuts. Donuts. We love donuts.

39:39Tom Pelissero:Yeah, that's what they need. Yeah, we love donuts. Wow. Because they all need baked goods. Susie, not only does he not bring us food, I got to drive him around like I'm Miss Daisy, or he's Miss Daisy. Again, it's ridiculous. You have it so good when I'm here. And we love that. We love that, Susie. All right. Tommy. Safe flight, pal. Bye, Tommy. See you guys. See you then more. Thanks again. Oh, yeah, Tommy P. I mean, does he think we're like gremlins? Like, don't feed us after midnight or something? with the donuts? They just take us for granted. But you know who doesn't? Susie Schuster. That's right.

40:13Normally we, I hate to tell you guys, but normally we start drinking around now on the Rich Sizing Show when I sit here. Usually it's a champagne mimosa situation. I thought it's the first time back on the mothership. I should probably like, you know, be professional a little bit. It's not easy for me. I know.

40:28Tom Pelissero:I wanted to, I sent the group chat. I was like, let's do this. You're ready to go. Allow me to reintroduce myself and I got shot down. Allow myself to introduce myself. But guess what? The next time we pop the bottles. Let's talk happy things like the ALDS defeat of the Yankees. Wow. My daughter's middle name is Mattingly. That kind of dog is still around. The Rich Eisen Show. The podcast.

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42:55ESPN Radio is presented by Progressive Insurance. Progressive Insurance offers 24-7 protection when you bundle home, auto, and motorcycle. Learn more at Progressive.com. Susie Schuster in for Rich Eisen. He is in London getting ready to call a bunch of games. And because he was there, he could not cry into his pillow last night as the Yankees went home. Their championship drought, now 16 seasons, the third longest in franchise history. And, you know, Chris, I know that you are bereft, heartbroken to say the least. Watching Vladdy Guerrero Jr. Doing the chant on the MLB postgame show. Wearing goggles.

43:40Look at the smile on your face.

43:42Tom Pelissero:Can't get champagne in your eyes. You know what I mean? It hurts. You got to bust out the goggles. Yeah, kids asked me last night if I'd ever been in one of those clubhouses. And I absolutely have several times. Pre-goggles. Pre-goggles. I know that, Susie. You remember. You were with me, Mikey. I was with you. Were you doing Angels? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, and Lakers. And Lakers. Hey, I've had some champagne and beer poured on my head. It's been great. But I can tell you, it hurts. It's what she's telling you folks. What's that, baby? I said, it's not your first rodeo is what you're telling all of you.

44:11Tom Pelissero:It's not my first rodeo, TJ. Yeah. Champagne gets in your eyes. It gets a little bubbly. And by the way, nothing quite as glamorous as driving home from Anaheim, raking of beer. After having them poured over your head after the Angels win the World Series. Thanks, Troy Percival. Had to throw that suit away. that said, Yankees and Aaron Boone expects to come back. But boy, you're sad over there. Yeah, you know, look, Aaron Boone expected to be back. Great. Love it. I think they should extend him, honestly. I think that Boone does a hell of a job. Brian Cashman, hell of a job. Lifetime contracts.

44:48Tom Pelissero:Why would you ever get rid of these guys? Continuity, TJ, in this business is an underrated aspect for success. Right. You do realize that the Red Sox are already on the beach somewhere. are so good at just making the playoffs and not doing anything else. You've got to extend these guys. Are you done over there? No. Do you see what I'm saying here? It's like I'm just going to crack the whip with this guy. You don't like the Yankees either. Not really. Not really. I like, listen, I'm not going to lie. I like whoever I'm covering at the time for baseball because I'm into it, but like, no, I'm from New England.

45:27What do you want from me? Even though my daughter's middle name is Mattingly. But that was a whole different conversation. And that was a, I had to convince him that he had the rights to name a kid. Because it was the third one. You talked him into a third one.

45:39Tom Pelissero:I talked him into a third one. And so I agreed that he could name her Mattingly if it was a girl. But whatever. Here's what Aaron Boone had to say. The ending's the worst, right? Especially when you know you have a really good group. And a group of guys that really came together so well. at the right time, the final couple of months, this was a team. It's a team that played for one another, did a lot of really good things, and we got beat here. You pour so much into to go on this long journey, to have a chance to chase a dream and win a championship. When it ends this way, it's always terrible.

46:25Tom Pelissero:It hurts. But I know for me personally, I know for a lot of those guys, it also continues to ignite your fire to want to get back and play in these meaningful games and have a chance at glory. Boy, the first two games of the series for the Yankees, Toronto outscored them 23-8. Are you crying over there? What's going on? What's happening? Oh, yeah. boys of summer you guys are you okay over there you need me to hold your hand I'm back to the thing where I'd rather not be in it and lose like they lost the last two years then I don't want to be in it don't put us in it you're not in it I still have a team you're not even in it so it's a 16 year drought How old is Cooper again?

47:23Tom Pelissero:Cooper is 14. Do you think he'll ever see a Yankees championship in his lifetime? Well, I don't know. My nephews Jack and Sam, they were born and suddenly the Patriots won everything. But was it Belichick or was it Brady? We're going to talk about that ahead. The Ridge Eyes and Show Podcast. MLB.tv on ESPN is your home for every out-of-market game, live or on demand. Catch your favorite teams and players, plus MLB Network and ESPN app features like Multiview, Syncing your stats, key plays, bets, and fantasy all in one place. Sign up now for MLB.tv and the ESPN app. Separate subscriptions required, blackouts, and other terms apply.

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