Hour 1:  Knicks-Spurs Game 1 Reaction, plus Former Pro Bowl OT Terron Armstead In-Studio

4 Jun 2026 · 47 min · 12 chapters

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In short

Rich Eisen Show Hour 1 reacts to Game 1 of the NBA Finals: Knicks vs Spurs. Topic: New York’s road comeback and defensive plan vs Victor Wembanyama.

Key claims

Knicks’ defense turned Wembanyama into a “free throw merchant” (12/13 FT, 6/21 FG) and Brunson was the clutch engine (30 points in the 4th; Knicks finished on an 11-0 run).

Notable examples

Spurs led by 14 in the 3rd; Knicks scored 40 after halftime; Brunson hit a corner 3 to break a late Spurs run; ESPN stats credit Brunson as primary defender (Spurs 1/14 FG, 0/8 from 3).

Guest backgrounds

Teron Armstead, former Pro Bowl NFL OT (12-year veteran); Chris Webber, Basketball Hall of Famer; Adam Mansbach, author. Key claims from Armstead: Rams with Miles Garrett (and Aaron Donald return) could be 17-0 if healthy; Cleveland’s Jerry Verse trade outlook is strong but he must develop.

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Knicks Historic NBA Finals Road Victory

1:43 to 4:59

Discussion on the Knicks' performance and historical context of their recent win.

“Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show live on Disney+.”

Game Highlights and Player Performances

4:59 to 9:32

Analysis of key player performances during the game, focusing on Jalen Brunson and Victor Wembanyama.

“when they beat George Mikan and the Minneapolis Lakers.”

Wembanyama's Reflections and Team Dynamics

9:32 to 13:20

Victor Wembanyama shares insights on the game and discusses areas for improvement.

“But I think most importantly, knowing we're on the road and knowing my teammates have my back, I think that's the biggest thing in an environment like this.”

Closing Thoughts on Young Talent

13:20 to 14:00

Discussion on the potential of young NBA players and their impact on the game.

“Over four years have gone by since they last played a game with just 16 collective assists for the team.”

Knicks vs Spurs Game 1 Analysis

14:00 to 21:20

Analysis of the Knicks-Spurs Game 1 and standout player performances.

“As you know, we've been singing his praises for weeks and he's right.”

Brunson's MVP Performance

21:20 to 21:40

Discussion on Jalen Brunson's impressive performance and MVP candidacy.

“He was just up the road at Good Morning Football and we're just going to say good morning to him here on this show.”

Discussion with Teron Armstead

24:04 to 28:00

Teron Armstead shares insights on the Rams, their roster, and strategies.

“Fresh off of the Good Morning football set.”

NFL Insights with Teron Armstead

28:00 to 35:20

Analysis of NFL player dynamics and trades, focusing on Teron Armstead's experiences.

“So we bring on the league MVP, this prolific, dynamic offense, John McVay.”

Win-Loss Game Introduction

41:28 to 42:01

Discussion about the win-loss game and engaging with fans on NFL schedules.

“Back on the Rich Eyes Joe radio show, Teron Armstead.”

Discussion on Sports Trades and Expectations

42:01 to 43:38

Explore the implications of players wanting specific numbers and the upcoming win-loss game for team predictions.

“We've never done it where somebody already is saying a team can go 17-0 before.”
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Win-Loss Game: Los Angeles Rams Predictions

43:39 to 45:58

Join the hosts as they play a game predicting the Los Angeles Rams' season outcomes, game by game.

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Aaron Donald's Workout and Future

45:59 to 47:10

Discussion about Aaron Donald's fitness and his potential return to the game amidst playful banter.

“Let's let that man live his life doing what he's doing.”
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0:42Rich Eisen:This is The Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of The Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney +, from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. They stunned the Spurs in San Antonio. This is the Rich Eisen Show. And he knocked it down. Jalen Brunson, a ridiculous shot. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. These guys are resilient, man.

1:25Rich Eisen:And they get better as the game goes along. Today's guests. Five-time NFL Crow Bowler, Teron Armstead. Basketball Hall of Famer, Chris Webber. Author, Adam Mansbach. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Well, hey everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show live on Disney+. The ESPN app, ESPN radio, and Sirius XM channel 80. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial here on the program. The NBA Finals has started. It's tipped off, as you might say. And I got a smile on my face today. See that? 844-204-RICH is the number to dial to have a conversation with all of us here on the program. Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman.

2:10Rich Eisen:How are you? Rich, I'm fantastic. Good to see you, Jason Feller. How are you? Good to see you too, Rich. G.J. Jefferson. That candle's lit, is it not? Candle's lit. And if I could just take a second, I got to wish my favorite person a happy birthday. Happy birthday to my mom, Linda. Hey! Happy birthday. Very good. Fantastic. That's good. Do we ask? Or is this the whole Jefferson family? Well, you know, you never say a woman's age, Rich. That could get you slapped. I don't want to be slapped. Happy birthday. Happy birthday to moms. Yeah. Fantastic. I got to clip that. I don't want to be slapped.

2:49Rich Eisen:So I like to do this every now and then. I like to do this every now and then. And today's show starts in the Wayback Machine of June 10th, 1994. Game two of the NBA Finals in Houston, Texas. Knicks versus the Houston Rockets, everybody. Before the car chase? Way back in the day, everybody. Yes, before the car chase. A couple days, right? And this is when the Knicks showed up there. Patrick Ewing. trying to take down Hakeem Olajuwon who had 25 7 and 4 blocks Patrick though he had a line of 16, 13 and 6 blocks John Starks he added 19 points and 9 assists Pat Riley look at him wearing a suit full on Armani Gordon Gekko right there going on with Pat head coach of the New York Knicks Starks is 19 almost went point for point with Vernon Maxwell's 20.

3:53Rich Eisen:And Max. Oh, man. Why am I bringing this up today? Yeah, Rich, why? This was the last time the New York Knicks won an NBA Finals game on the road. That's how long ago it was. But wait. If you're wondering, the last time the Knicks started an NBA Finals game with a, well, the last time the New York Knicks went on the road in the NBA Finals for their first road game and won it, you have to go back to 1970 when Willis Reed in game three of the 1970 NBA Finals and the first road game for the Knicks in that series, right up the road at the Forum, He dropped 38 on Wilt. 38 for Willis Reed. That was the last time the Knicks won their first road game of an NBA Finals.

4:55Before last night.

4:58Rich Eisen:And you want to just say, when was the last time they started an NBA Finals on the road and won it? Yeah, which one was the last time? 1953. April 4th, 1953. when they beat George Mikan and the Minneapolis Lakers. Yes, kids, the Lakers used to come from Minneapolis where there are lakes as opposed to here, you know, where there's Toluca Lake and Lake Balboa, Silver Lake. There's not a thousand lakes here in Los Angeles, but they kept the name. And the five titles. This is why Knick fans are going out of their minds. 1994 was the last time they won an NBA Finals game on the road. 1970 was the last time they won in their first road game of an NBA Finals.

5:50Rich Eisen:1954 was the last time, 53, was the last time they started an NBA Finals on the road and went up 1-0.

6:02Thank you.

6:03Rich Eisen:This is the last time that happened. And it sure didn't look like it was going to happen last night. Not when Jalen Brunson has Harrison Barnes thrown into his knee by Landry Shammott. If I was doing SportsCenter these days, I'd say I'm Landry Shammott. Every time he made a three and he's making them. You can say it here. It's fine. I'm Landry Shammott. I'm Landry Shammott. I'm Landry Shammott. And Brunson goes into the locker room, and you're like, are we serious? Yeah, it's like, come on. Last time the Knicks took on the Spurs in the NBA Finals in 1999, the last time the Knicks made the NBA Finals, Patrick Ewing wasn't even healthy.

6:48Rich Eisen:We're going to deal with this? Then he turns an ankle. Luke Cornett steps on the ankle. That was an accident. I know that, but that's what happened. It doesn't matter if it's an accident or not. It's an ankle, which is what caused him to go out against the Pacers, and the Knicks went out against the Pacers last year. Didn't look like it was going to happen last night when the Spurs were up 14 in the third quarter. Didn't look that way when Champani was popping. 15 points in the first half for Champani. on five of six threes, and he had six rebounds on top of it. Didn't look like it was happening at all.

7:38But then the second half hit, and the Knicks defense showed up,

7:43Rich Eisen:and all the Spurs did was score 40 points after halftime, and Jalen Brunson to the rescue once again. 30 points for number 11 13 in the fourth quarter and when the spurs went on a 9-0 run to take the lead after having a 20-3 run in the first half taking the lead at the end of the game after the knicks went silent from the field from about five and change to two and change to go brunson finally broke that up with a three in the corner and the New York Knicks finish the game on an 11-0 run, most of it from Brunson, and they win their first NBA Finals road game since the last time they won it in Texas.

8:38They went 0-3 in San Antonio back in 1999,

8:46Rich Eisen:and the Knicks move on. to game two, up one zip. And their defense, as I mentioned, turned Victor Wembonyama into, wait for it, a free throw merchant. 12 of 13 from the free throw line, six of 21 from the floor. Carl Anthony Towns was going right at Wembonyama from jump.

9:16and man you would think the only thing that could have stopped Victor Wembon-Yama cold was some idiot running onto the court to try and take a selfie with him that was insane so that was game

9:30Rich Eisen:one Jalen Brunson has this nah man to just come up big

9:41Rich Eisen:arguably at present the most clutch player in the nba last night 30 of his game high 13 of his game high 30 in the fourth quarter how does he do it what happens this is what he said next to og ananobi guy who already has a ring on the nicks roster from his time in toronto who also played big in the third quarter to help lead the comeback. This is what Brunson had to say. I think it starts with my confidence. It comes to my work ethic. But I think most importantly, knowing we're on the road and knowing my teammates have my back, I think that's the biggest thing in an environment like this. They trust that I have in me.

10:29They trust that I have in them. it's got us to this point and so I'm very thankful for them every single night we go out there together

10:39Rich Eisen:I mean he's three wins away from having a statue I'm kidding and you could say oh my goodness you're just overreacting they should build a statue that's not an overreaction at all rename the arena after him unreal that's a lot Unreal. Mike Brown can't believe his good fortune of coaching this guy. I'm sure deep down he's thinking this. Hit it. He's a gamer, man. He, you know, in the biggest moments, you know, he shows up. And that's what MVPs are supposed to do. We put the ball in his hands. We said we were going to live and die with him. And he went and he got it done for us. And that's happened time after time after time after time.

11:23Rich Eisen:He got to his spots and he made plays. Oh, by the way, he's not the only Brunson who came up with a big save. He's just the one who's suited up and on the floor. His dad, Rick, is an assistant, and everything was going circling and draining the third quarter, and they're looking for fouls. They're looking for calls. By the way, there wasn't a single whistle in the first six minutes of the game, and then all of a sudden Josh Hart's got foul trouble. Everybody's getting whistled for the Knicks. The Spurs are in the bonus with half of the quarter to go in the first half, and Brown said Rick Brunson told everyone to just quit crying.

12:01Rich Eisen:Job of keeping my mind present in the game, and neither did our players. We were all bitching too much at the officials, and Rick Brunson was great. He told me to shut the hell up. Sorry, Mom. He told me to shut up or be quiet, and he told the rest of the team to be quiet and leave the officials alone. and it was great of him because we were all kind of losing our mind and I did it. The rest of the guys did it and it helped us put our energy elsewhere, especially in the second half. That's right. Energy on defense. We talked about Brunson's offense, right? How about this on defense? According to ESPN stats, Brunson as the primary defender last night on the Spurs, as the primary defender, the Spurs were 1 of 14 from the floor and 0 for 8 from 3.

12:53Rich Eisen:He's playing both ends. Both ends. Carl Anthony Towns and Mitchell Robinson getting Victor Wembon-Yama to come up with a career high in turnovers of 6 and missed shots. 15. The Knicks beat the Spurs in pink points last night. 50-42. Second chance points. The Knicks beat the Spurs last night. 23-14 and got the Spurs so out of sorts. Just 16 assists for San Antonio. That was their fewest in any game, playoffs, or regular season since 2022. Over four years have gone by since they last played a game with just 16 collective assists for the team. And that's how Wembon Yama stepped to the podium last night and was asked about what went wrong and what needs to go better for game two, said this.

13:45It's almost not like I have anything to figure out. It's almost like I have to play normal, not even good. I just, I just, it's like just doing the right things is enough. It's when we play bad, when I play bad, it's when we shoot ourselves in the foot. It's, this is why I'm not worried. It's, we're going to be so much better. I'm going to be so much better.

14:09Rich Eisen:And, and I love this guy. As you know, we've been singing his praises for weeks and he's right. He's right. I mean, Dylan Harper had some electric moments in last night's game, even though he wasn't on the floor towards the end. Stephon Castle is something else, man. He's big. He is big. And then Wembon Yama, again, I've been watching him throughout all the playoffs. Now that I'm emotionally invested, you see it more. When he's standing there, I think even Richard Jefferson was having fun with saying, there's the U-turn, where somebody's beating their defender off the dribble from, you know, towards the basket from the three-point line.

14:46Rich Eisen:And then there's Wembenyama. Nope. Go out the other way and try and start, you know. And what that does is now the shot clock is winding down. You're trying to desperately look for a shot or palm the perimeter. And their perimeter defense is so quick and fast with their young guards. You're out of time. And you're hoisting up a bad shot. And that leads to a 20-3 run for the San Antonio Spurs. But the Knicks kept persevering through it. And that's the problem for Wembenyama and the Spurs. because, yes, you can play better, and all you've got to do is just play normal and just get back to it. Same thing's going to happen for the New York Knicks.

15:20Rich Eisen:You're going to assume one must, certainly when everything moves to Madison Square ballroom, since there's going to be somebody there for game three, and he only hangs out in ballrooms apparently, that you've got a Knicks team with Josh Hart who's not going to have three fouls by the middle of the second quarter. you're not going to see Jalen Brunson in the locker room one hopes with a knee being checked out you're not going to see Champagne go off for a first half with 15 points his second half as a matter of fact last night 1.4 rebounds 0 for 4 from three-point range they fixed that But you're also not going to see Jalen Brunson with an ankle on the ground.

16:11Rich Eisen:You're going to see a lot better from the Knicks, too. And this is, in my estimation, the best Knicks team I've ever seen, and I've been saying that for weeks, I've never seen a Knicks team respond like they did last night in the NBA Finals. Like I said, I'm 57 years old. The last time they won on the road in the NBA finals was against the Rockets in 1994. I love that team. And then they couldn't get another win in Houston when they needed it. Just one. They went back to Houston needing one win and they didn't get it. And then I was, let me get this correct. And April 29th, 1970, about to turn one year old when Willis Reed dropped 38 on Wilt.

16:59for the last time the Knicks went on the road in the NBA Finals

17:04Rich Eisen:for the first time and won that game.

17:13Rich Eisen:There's no words for it, and this is why Knicks fans are out of their minds. Out of their minds. Good crowd last night for the Knicks. Yeah, I mean, I know Knicks fans are traveling and all that, But again, this team last night, Josh Hart does everything for them. As by the end of the day, Hart led the game, all players with 15 rebounds. And he was hoovering up everything in the fourth quarter. And he starts the fast break. He starts the transition game for them. He does everything for them. Bridges hardly had a, Bridges was three of six. Nine points. That's it. I mean, we had Sean Elliott on this program earlier in the week to talk about the NBA Finals, and he knows the Spurs very well, having called their game since the middle aughts and having played for them in the 99 championship, that he said Jose Alvarado gives us problems.

18:18Rich Eisen:And he did in the first half. He did. The Knicks are deep. Yeah, deep. They wound up having to start playing guys out there with, you know, Deuce McBride and Jordan Clarkson were on the floor at the same time. And they got through it. And they're up 1-0. And they've got the house money. Wow. Can't wait. Alvarado was one who didn't take a U-turn. If you remember, he took that layup and he went right. Well, he put it right off the backboard fast and wound up getting a goaltend. Because if you put it off the backboard fast, it doesn't matter if it's 7 '4". If you're pinning against the backboard, that is illegal.

19:05So, wow.

19:07Rich Eisen:That was buzzing last night. I bet. This is far from over, clearly. The Spurs are insanely talented and young. But the Knicks cracked a code last night. That is for sure. Just wanted one on the road anyway. So that's it. And by the way, when we talking about how he's got to play better, right? And I told you how he had career highs and turnovers and missed shots. His stat line at the end of the night was 26, 12 rebounds and three blocks. Since blocks became a statistic in 1974, only three other individuals have had that stat line in their first ever NBA finals game. and their nicknames are Shaq in 95, Elijah Wan in 86, and Elvin Hayes in 75.

19:50Rich Eisen:And that was an off night. Yeah, that was the worst he's going to play. For Victor Wembenyama. Probably this series. But he has a stat line we've only seen three times before. And not just by anybody. Shaq, the Dream, and Elvin Hayes. Come on. Fun stuff. What do you think, everybody? 844-204-RICH is the number to dial on the program. Later on, I am going to just give Carl Anthony Towns his flowers as well. He was awesome last night. He was terrific. And then what he had to say afterwards, particularly special as well. My pick for MVP is looking good. He was terrific last night. But I told you, if the Knicks win, it's going to be Brunson.

20:35Rich Eisen:And if the Spurs win, it's going to be Wemby. and Brunson was the MVP. Certainly since one last time, if we're giving Wenbanyama his flowers rightfully of saying, oh, I should have been MVP. I didn't win. I'm going to take it out on the guy who did, right? Brunson didn't even get a fifth place vote for MVP. Not even a fifth place vote. So he's showing up and showing out and it was his first NBA Finals game with the Knicks. And look at what he did. 844-204-RICH. Now we'll talk about it with Chris Weber in our number two of this program. When we come back, Teron Armstead is here, our friend. He was just up the road at Good Morning Football and we're just going to say good morning to him here on this show.

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23:57Rich Eisen:Away from returning. The Rich Eisen Show back on the air with Disney Plus, the ESPN app and ESPN radio. Ten-year veteran Teron Armstead is here on the Rich Eisen Show. Fresh off of the Good Morning football set. It is very, 12 years? 12 years. What did I say? Ten. Did I say ten? I'm not going to even let you. Twelve years, my bad. Take them two years with me. So it's tough to not overreact and say, Miles Garrett just put the Rams over the top. Sitting here on June whatever the heck it is right now. June 4th. Right? Am I wrong? Much different than Nick's sweep. Okay. You know what I mean? Much different.

24:38This is not an overreaction, Rich.

24:39Rich Eisen:It is not. Not an overreaction. That the Rams just got the piece that puts them over the top for the Super Bowl. The Rams just got the piece that makes them go undefeated. Health is the only concern, the durability of these guys. But if healthy, this roster is healthy, I see no reason why they don't go undefeated. Challenge the 1972 Miami Dolphins as being the only team to do so and get the championship. And Myles Garrett is that last piece. Yes. What if Aaron Donald comes back? stop that. That is overkill. That's too much. Walk me through the offensive line room on a week where you're maybe getting ready for Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald together.

25:32That's funny.

25:33Rich Eisen:What would that meeting be like? It would be funny. What do you mean it would be funny? Man, it's to game plan for those two on the same D-line, the run game is paramount. You got to be successful in the run game, but ultimately it comes down to your defense and your special teams. We cannot go down or get behind to where we have to drop back pass. If we do, we lost. Plain and simple. Like, there's really no other recipe to it. If we go down against this team this week with these two guys, we lost. so run game your defense not only stopping the offense but trying to find a way to create points we've seen the Patriots do it throughout their playoff run and then special teams how can we steal a possession how can we find points in special teams I again it's the first week of June and it is you know we're just less than 100 days until the Seahawks kick things off against the Patriots and then the first team to get a load of the Rams is going to be San Francisco yeah and would you say it's a wrap obviously no you can't predict it you know health is going to be a massive issue obviously yeah it's like it is for all 32 but the the the division games comes comes down to a possession or two anyway correct like that's just historically how it happens no matter the roster is just so much chemistry and you're familiar with each other you recognize plays and schemes.

27:1249ers are one of those teams that's built to handle whatever's in front of them. Especially getting back there Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, bringing in Mike Evans. They will have a team to compete. Seattle the same way. The Finnish Super Bowl champion. They are built as such. As the Rams. I think for Miles Garrett, Rich, what he's accomplished throughout his career, I was on GMFB this morning. I asked him to pull a stack. How many times has Miles Garrett played with a touchdown lead, touchdown or more lead? The answer is eight games. Of his career. Eight games of his career.

27:52Rich Eisen:Where he's had a lead of more than a touchdown? A touchdown or more. That he's gone onto the field. With a lead. With a lead of that length. Eight games. Wow. That is nuts. So we bring on the league MVP, this prolific, dynamic offense, John McVay. He is going to have a lead all of maybe other than eight minutes of this upcoming season. He might match his career mark by game nine this year is what you're saying. This is not an overreaction. This is not an overreaction. This is real. Like, I'm trying to really put into thought and then into words. Yes. Eight games playing with the league where a team has to drop back past the ball in order to catch up.

28:48He, the amount of reps, the amount of rushes he will get this year will multiply.

28:55Rich Eisen:What is it like blocking him? Fun. Fun. That's the word you use. We had a couple great battles. I talked about this this morning as well. 2018, New Orleans Saints, Cleveland Browns. We had a one-on-one clash that was, I think, top five. Like a real O-line, D-line battle. I told them this needs to be in the curriculum at the University of Football. Everybody that wants to play O-line, D-line, you've got to watch the game. Why? It just was a battle of technique, of craftsmanship, of two elite athletes. I won the matchup. Okay. Yeah, for sure. And our other one, too. I won that one, too. When you say won, you shut him out?

29:45I shut him out. Okay. I shut him out. Don't mean it wasn't stressful. You know what I mean?

29:50Rich Eisen:I imagine you can't just roll out of bed and shut out Miles Cameron. No, no, no. And it's also game plan, too. Sometimes I had the slide coming to me or the run game, play action, all those things. But I still want to match up. Did Sean Payton rile you up before that week, during that week, to say, all right, did he do any Sean Payton things? We had this scouting report, and it would be color-coded. So they'll give you the defense, and guys would be green, yellow, blue, red. and it'll take you like through the tier of player. So, you know, solid starter, key contributor, pro bowl, best in the league.

30:34Rich Eisen:What color was best in the league? Red. Okay. He was red and it was year two for him. Two or three. It was red. And I saw it and it pissed me off. Like, how's he red already? I ain't like it. Sean didn't really say much outside of that. Like, we are, Miles Garrett is that right now. and you all better pitch and is the best in the league. And he's deeper red in year nine. He is gold. It is. Yeah, it is gold. Yeah. Yeah, like first ballot gold. And so at the end of the day, though, on the flip side, Teron Armstead here in the Richeyes of Joe, what do you think is going through Jared versus Skull right now?

31:14I saw his response and how he felt upset about the move. and I can see where he's coming from. He was just in the NFC Championship, you know, right there, knocking on the door, going to the Super Bowl. They beat the Super Bowl champions before. So they were there. They had enough.

31:33The Rams won the trade. Cleveland didn't lose the trade. They did not lose. No. I feel very strongly about Jerry Verse. I've been open about it. He's incredible. He has so much room to grow. Now, he's not Miles Garrett. Miles is a different athlete, once in a generation. Jarrett versus special. If and when he adds these tools to his game, the hands, the reaction, the ability to set up moves for later in the game, it'll be dominant, it'll be scary. Cleveland will feel great about what they have from now into the future. But he has work to do. Miles has done the work, and he's still getting better as a player, which is crazy.

32:20I really like, love Jury Verse. I love this for Cleveland. I think they did not lose this trade.

32:27Rich Eisen:I agree with you, by the way, because you can't look at everything in a vacuum. Sure. You just simply cannot look at everything in a vacuum. Look who they've added through the drafts last couple of years. For sure. And how they're all young and they're all in years one and two. And you've got to look down the road. You're not going to have to pay some. You're not going to have to let some go. Right. But you're going to have them all grow together. And Miles, despite his incredible greatness, is about, depending on the ages of the other young kids, seven, eight years ahead of him. For sure. And you also have to take a look at where you are now and how Miles just had the greatest year in the history of pass rush.

33:21Rich Eisen:For sure. And you chose sixth overall in the draft anyway. No question. And you put it all together. I thought this is a great move because of Jared Burris. Yep. You know, and I know Browns fans might sit here and hear Andrew Barry say, yeah, we weren't going to do it. And then they said, Jared Verse, now you're talking. And you're like, oh, now you're talking this kid up. No, no. And that's why I'm asking you about what's going through his skull, because I am sure, and I am sure the Rams meant every word of it. When they were saying to him over the last two years, you are great. You are generationally great.

33:57Rich Eisen:You're going to be generationally great for us. You're going to lead this way for us on defense. You're already doing that. We're coaching the hell out of you. oh, wait a minute, Miles Garrett, see you. You know what I mean? And you can't blame the Rams for that. Not at all. At all. Not at all. But Jared Burst has got to sit here and go, who do I believe anymore? Like, who am I? And his head must be spinning. You know what I mean? I'm sure. And this is deeper than football. This is like life. This is your response. How you react to whatever happens, whatever, whether it's adversity, whether it's success, your response.

34:33And for Jared Burse, I urge and encourage him to receive this opportunity as an opportunity for growth to create his legacy. He received this in a healthy way to help lead this team and change the narrative around the Cleveland Browns. As you said, Miles had the greatest individual season from a defensive lineman, and they picked sixth overall. So, Jerry Burst can create winning and help be a part of a new winning culture in Cleveland, a place that hasn't experienced that. It's his turn.

35:11Rich Eisen:It is. I agree, and it's just going to be a fascinating thing to see play out in Ohio and here in California. Toronto Armstead, 12-year NFL veteran here on the Rich Eisen Show. So, the A.J. Brown acquisition for the Patriots, Does that put them over the top to get back to the Super Bowl in the AFC? It made them better instantly, for sure. For sure. Well, I gave you a yes or no question. You kind of, you know, fixed it. But that's fine. So that's a no because the AFC is more open? Like, what do you think? They got better. They improved. Listen, Rich, I do media now too. The set, every Monday, every Thursday, live YouTube.

35:55that said with Teron Olmstead. That's right. There is no I in Teron. Understood. They got better. You got a surefire number one. You got the history and relationship with him and Mike Brable. You got the runner-up for MVP, Drake May, and what he did in his second year. And we're only looking for more greatness. They got better. Can I say that? Put them over the top in the AFC. I can't. I can't say that. with certainty right now. Buffalo want their leg back. They want their shot back for what happened. And the Patriots taking that division last year. The Broncos will be there. And they added Jalen Waddell.

36:41So you feel me? It's going to be great. But they definitely got better. I think they won that situation.

36:49Rich Eisen:And Mahomes is coming back. The Chargers are a fascinating team. The charges are a factor. With Mike McDaniel now dialing things up for a guy in Harbaugh who loves to run the ball. Yeah. And you know that McDaniel just creates these creases and these schemes that find space, and they get Slater and all back, right? Who's the best team in the AFC North? In the North? Since the Patriots didn't get put over the top by the trade. Yeah. of A.J. Brown. Let me see that. The North is, that's Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Cincinnati. Cleveland. Cleveland. I will go. Baltimore, they bothered me last year. What do you mean?

37:40Because just preseason roster was insane. I'm thinking Super Bowl. And they didn't make the playoffs. I'm going back Baltimore. I'm going back Baltimore. I think they're better than the other teams in that division. I think Cincinnati will be better than we want to give them credit for right now because it's been pretty quiet for them. But Baltimore, they added a coach, Declan Doyle, who came from Sean Payton.

38:07Rich Eisen:And Ben Johnson. And Ben Johnson. His style of offense, what he'll be able to create, and the opportunities he'll be able to create for Lamar Jackson using Derrick Henry in company, I really like. And I think they got a lot of prideful people on that defense that can't wait to respond. What will it look like? Because that, to me, is fascinating. You just brought up the name in Declan Doyle coming from the Bears and the Peyton world, right? And the Ravens offense, what will it look like? Now that the guy who seemingly unlocked Lamar in his MVP seasons is now coaching the Cleveland Browns. Yeah.

38:48Rich Eisen:It's crazy. What's that look like? Consistency, more rhythm. The Ravens offense, and it was baffling. And Lamar had injuries, but it was so inconsistent. So many quarters of not even a first down, no points. And we hadn't seen that in a while. We saw what the Bears were able to do, and a lot of it was Caleb and his heroics, but I think Lamar is further along in moving the ball forward and being consistent and making positive plays. Declan will bring a sense of consistency, a system. It'll be more rhythmic. And the way Derrick Henry is still playing and performing, I see that offense being consistently dangerous.

39:39All right. Can I keep you to the end of the hour or you got to go somewhere? You are rich-eyed, sir. I work for you.

39:45Rich Eisen:I understand that, but many times me, Rich Eisen, have asked that question because, like, no, I got to do this. I got to do that. I work for you. No, you don't. Today I do. You don't. Today I do. You can. You work for yourself, right? That's true. That's true. You work for your pod, right? You work for yourself. The set on Mondays, Thursdays. That's right. The set, Mondays and Thursdays. Mondays and Thursdays. Okay. And then on Thursday's show, today, he'll talk about the Knicks getting ready for a sweep with the San Antonio Spurs. All right. We're going to come back. And I want to put this 17-0 thing to the test.

40:17Rich Eisen:We're going to have some fun when we come back. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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41:28Rich Eisen:Back on the Rich Eyes Joe radio show, Teron Armstead. Have you ever heard of somebody just taking somebody else's number when they just show up? on the scene. There's always a transaction involved, right? Always a transaction. Whether they agree on it or not, which I've also seen, somebody's number was too much and they didn't agree and kind of didn't like each other. Oh. But I've never seen nobody. Who are those people? Are they still active? No. Okay. No. You've just narrowed it down slightly. A little bit. But again, we're assuming, and you know in the world of sports talk conversation that's a problem yeah um that jared verse just showed up and said i want eight but the bottom line is like hey if if i'm the guy who unlocked the miles garrett trade for sure you know for sure he and he says i want eight dylan gabriel's like what else you got over there for no you know you know man that's crazy that's crazy just to show up at practice with the number on is i've never heard that before that's the that's the bo coming yeah that's omar coming out no i love it um okay we're gonna have some fun you know we do the win-loss game around here when the schedules come out we have fans call in as a matter of fact i'm looking down at the at the call screen right here we have some fans waiting to call in to play the win-loss game where we put the schedule of a team that they want to or they root for what have you and they go one game by one game, one by one, and we find out who they predict what the team is going to finish what their final record is.

43:05Rich Eisen:We've never done it where somebody already is saying a team can go 17-0 before. As you said at the outset of our interview that the Miles Garrett trade says the Rams are, with health, a 17-0 team. I can see that. But we're going to play the win-loss game with you, Toronto. The Los Angeles Rams can go game by game and see if you think, at the end of the day, the number that's spat out at the end. And before you start, Rich, Miles isn't the only addition. I mean, that's definitely on the back end, by the way. You know what I mean? I know. Jalen Watson, too. Come on. And Aaron Donald is coming back.

43:37Rich Eisen:Okay, there's that. We are, for this moment, though, going to – we have to assume he is not. Stop. All right, give us some music. Teron Armstead, win-loss game of the Los Angeles Rams. What happens in Australia week one against the Niners? Duh. Okay. What happens when they come home to take on the Giants on Monday night? Duh. What happens when they visit Denver? Close one. But? Duh. What happens when they visit the Eagles right after? Start off tight game. Then duh. 4-0, home for the Bills on a Monday night. Blowout. Blowout. 5-0, home for the Cardinals. It gets ugly. 6-0 at the Raiders. Uglier.

44:227-0 home for the Chargers. It's a good one. It's a good one. High scoring Rams.

44:31Rich Eisen:8-0 at the Commanders. Yeah, that's a good one. 9-0 at the Cardinals. Worse than the first time. 10-0 off the bye on a Wednesday night before Thanksgiving against the Packers. Duh. 11-0 next week home for the Chiefs. Pat Mahomes take the lead late. Stafford comes still again. 12-0 at the Niners. They win more convincing than week one. 13-0 home for the Cowboys. Shellac. Come on. 14-0 at the Seahawks on a Friday night. Ooh. 14-0. What do you think? Now that we get there, you can pull back. Ah, that's tough. Two and three weeks is so difficult. And they're 14-0. I got Rams winning. 15-0 at the Bucs.

45:35Beat the brakes off the Bucs.

45:36Rich Eisen:16-0, they go for a perfect regular season at home against the Seahawks. A rest of starters loss. You think McVay's resting on a seven? He's taking a knee on a seven? No chance. Rest of starters. What if then Donald comes back to just get his C-Legs under him in that game? Stop. Listen, Aaron Donald can't come back. He's happy. He's happy. Let's let that man live his life doing what he's doing. He's at the Roast of Kevin Hart. He's kicking it. Wait, did you guys retire in the same year? No, he was a year before me. Can you still throw up 140s?

46:15Rich Eisen:Have you even tried? He is casually throwing up 140s. 140s. Yeah, I feel like you're trying to put it on TV that Aaron Donald's more of a man than me, and I don't like it. I'm not doing that. I don't like it. I'm saying he's getting himself into game shape. He's not as... That's breakfast. I don't... I'm not... I can't do 140s no more. You are not questioning your manhood. I would never... No, not necessarily. We're just questioning your want to. I can't do that. I can't do that. Nor can most mortals. You kidding me? He's different. He's different. The set on Mondays and Thursdays. When are you going to invite me on?

46:54We're putting it on the schedule today, Rich. I'm not leaving your studio. And I've seen your security. I think I can take them. So I'm not leaving your studio until you're on the schedule. Jerry put up 140s today.

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Knicks fan Rich breaks down Jalen Brunson leading New York to a win over Victor Wembanyama’s San Antonio Spurs in Game 1 of the NBA Finals. Former Pro Bowl OT Terron Armstead tells Rich why he thinks the Los Angeles Rams can go 17-0 after the addition of 2-time Defensive Player of the Year Myles Garrett, what Jared Verse must do on the Browns to become a dominant edge rusher and the DE taking #8 from Cleveland QB Dillon Gabriel, how AJ Brown to the New England Patriots impacts the AFC’s landscape, and more.
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