In short
Live from Michigan at the Champion Circle Golf Classic, the hour mixes college basketball talk with NBA headlines. It focuses on Michigan basketball’s national-championship season and the transition to new head coach Mike Boynton Jr., plus discussion of LeBron James joining the Philadelphia 76ers and what it means for the NBA title race.
Guests (backgrounds)
- Mike Boynton Jr., newly named Michigan men’s basketball head coach; previously Michigan assistant (defense) and former assistant at Stephen F. Austin; defensive coach who helped build the team’s top-ranked defense.
- Elliot Cadeau, Michigan guard; Final Four Most Outstanding Player; point guard for the national title team.
- Trey McKinney, Michigan guard; key contributor in the title game (credited with “nailing” UConn); national champion.
Key claims
- Michigan’s success came from team-wide sacrifice and role buy-in, not just star talent.
- Boynton says Michigan’s defense rose from top-12 to No. 1 nationally and that the team could play any style.
- Cadeau/McKinney say the roster stayed together despite Dusty May leaving for the NBA.
Notable examples
- UConn’s national championship game slowed pace; Michigan could match it or play faster.
- Boynton describes recruiting/adjustment of new players and seniors Will Cheddar, Amari Burnett, and Roddy Gayle sacrificing roles.
- NBA: LeBron’s 76ers odds discussed (Sixers 10-1) and health of Joel Embiid as the major question mark.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORich Eisen's Michigan Experience
0:33 to 0:53
Rich shares his excitement about the Michigan Champion Circle event and upcoming guests.
“The solid, impact-resistant design prevents cracking, and the clear base and sides make items easy to find even when the totes are stacked.”
Rich Eisen's Michigan Experience
2:54 to 6:34
Rich shares his excitement about the Michigan Champion Circle event and upcoming guests.
“They're all going to be sitting down here on this show talking about not just the upcoming season of Michigan football, but the state of college athletics as a whole.”
LeBron's Impact and Philadelphia 76ers
6:34 to 8:19
Discussion on LeBron James joining the Sixers and its implications for the NBA.
“Which is nice, to use the caddyshack phrase.”
Examining NBA Championship Odds
8:19 to 10:40
Analysis of the current championship odds for various NBA teams.
“Now, they were probably having their eyes peeled keenly to see how it would all work at this late stage of the game with salary caps and things of that nature and aprons.”
LeBron's Contract Decisions
10:40 to 12:36
Discussion about LeBron's contract choices and their impact on the Lakers and Sixers.
“never give a hometown discount to the Lakers over the last several years either?”
Thoughts on Jalen Brown and the 76ers
12:36 to 14:00
Rich and Chris analyze Jalen Brown's future and the dynamics of the 76ers.
“You know, if if Golden State was in on Jalen Brown, LeBron probably ends up in Golden State.”
NBA Team Dynamics: LeBron and Jalen Brown
14:00 to 17:46
Discussing team dynamics and player interactions in the NBA, particularly focusing on LeBron James and Jalen Brown.
“like he's one of those balloons outside of a car dealership.”
Hyundai Getaway Sales Event
17:46 to 18:58
Introduction to the Hyundai Getaway Sales Event and the offers available.
“As you know, Ward Manuel, the longtime athletic director here, who was one of Bo Schembechler's players when I was here, is stepping down as athletic director at the end of this coming season.”
Mike Boynton Jr.'s Coaching Journey
19:12 to 28:01
Discussion about Mike Boynton Jr.'s coaching career, his experiences, and insights into team dynamics.
“pro, you can hire with confidence and build the team you need.”
Dusty May's Job Transition
28:01 to 29:28
The conversation revolves around Dusty May's new job and its implications for Michigan basketball.
“And then I take this conversation back to the dinner table.”
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Expectations and Roster Insights
29:28 to 31:55
Discussion about the expectations for the Michigan team under new leadership and roster strengths.
“As coaches, we understand these are difficult decisions to make.”
Mike Boynton's Vision for Michigan
31:55 to 33:38
Mike Boynton Jr. shares his vision for the Michigan basketball program moving forward.
“And what do you bring to the equation that might be different?”
The Importance of Michigan's Brand
33:38 to 35:38
Exploring the global reach and significance of the Michigan basketball brand as expressed by Boynton.
“when he shows up in about 20 minutes to kick off our second hour here.”
National Champions Reflect on Dusty May's Departure
37:06 to 42:02
Trey McKinney and Elliot Cadeau discuss their reactions to Dusty May leaving for the NBA and their future plans.
“If high interest credit card debt is grinding you down, it might be time to call an audible with a SoFi personal loan.”
Michigan Hoops Team Dynamics
42:02 to 46:44
The players discuss their experiences and expectations for the upcoming season.
“And, you know, his voice was there throughout last year and that season.”
Michigan Hoops Team Dynamics
47:18 to 47:52
The players discuss their experiences and expectations for the upcoming season.
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Transcript
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1:32Can the Wolverines survive and advance? This is the Rich Eisen Show. Michigan, the men's basketball national champions. The Rich Eisen Show. In this hour, Michigan basketball head coach Mike Boynton Jr., Michigan basketball's Trey McKinney and Elliott Cadeau. Plus, latest news and more. And now, it's Rich Eisen.
2:00Rich Eisen:Well, hey, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show. I am sitting here live in the state of Michigan at the site of the fourth annual Champion Circle Golf Classic in support of all Michigan athletics and many of the Michigan athletes here on this campus. and the featured guest of the fourth annual champion circle golf classic is none other than kyle weddingham the football head coach who will be joining us on this program in our number two ahead of his wide receiver andrew marsh ahead of two of his running backs jordan marshall and savi on hyder who was the number one recruit at the position this past offseason and we've also got Bryce Underwood, his quarterback, John Henry Daly, his edge rusher that he brought from Utah.
2:54Rich Eisen:They're all going to be sitting down here on this show talking about not just the upcoming season of Michigan football, but the state of college athletics as a whole. There's also you on this program as well. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. My guys are back in the studio. Chris Brockman and TJ Jefferson, along with Mike Deltufo, are all sitting in their positions guys i'm here i'm here you're there i'm in michigan you're in los angeles california uh and um it you know it's gonna be it's gonna be an easy one for you today you're gonna smoke them if you got them uh uh because i'm gonna be conducting a lot of interviews here but it's good to see you guys how are you great to see you man uh enjoy the day man and what a what an afternoon of shows and guests that we have here i love it yeah i'm hoping to get in a few holes potentially i'm dressed in my uh my running man golf gear right now that i see your sixers i see your sixes jersey i want to talk about that in a second but first first things first tj is you know um as you know the uh the the philadelphia 76ers got lebron james and their mix and i had my fun with you guys last uh last uh week on friday when i uh zoomed in um waiting for some shopping to be done.
4:08Rich Eisen:You get that P-coat? I did not get a P-coat. I did get a belt, though. I'll show it to you when I get back. No, none of that. But at any rate, as you know, I was pointing out, though, that great that you have LeBron. I have the championship as being a Knick fan. You do, you do. And as you know, as you know, I was talking about how this might be the greatest run I've ever had as a basketball fan on planet Earth. because as the Knicks were winning it all, Susie had just coached Taylor to a championship in the Goldie League, the youth basketball league that Taylor plays in and that Susie coaches in.
4:49Rich Eisen:And that came after Michigan won it all on the college basketball world for the first time since I was on this campus in 1989 as a junior. and um look what i've got here to my left everybody oh yeah this baby oh yeah that's a net wow that's a championship trophy i've got it right here on the show you can see the mic flag with our show logo is perfectly positioned to be in the frame that wasn't my chance either and later on in this hour i know again the champion circle golf event is uh featuring kyle whittingham the new head coach of Michigan football. But the champion circle supports more than 150 Michigan student athletes across 29 varsity sports through things like athlete marketing, group licensing, merchandise, collectibles, premium experiences, corporate partnerships, internships, and career development.
5:45Rich Eisen:Of course, there is the matter of name, image, and likeness cash as well. But the champion circle through, you know, athlete marketing and licensing businesses and college athletics helps raise money. So the first hour of this show is going to feature our first guest in 15 minutes time. The new head coach of Michigan basketball, Mike Boynton, is going to stop by. I've never met him. I can't wait to literally hug him. And then Elliot Cadeau and Trey McKinney are both showing up together to finish up our number one of this program. And as you know, Elliot Cadeau was the most outstanding player of the Final Four and Trey McKinney's three.
6:27Rich Eisen:is what finally put a nail in UConn's coffin in the national championship game. So I've got that going for me. Which is nice. Which is nice, to use the caddyshack phrase. So now that I've gotten that out, and I've gotten the flex of having the national championship men's basketball trophy with the net that was cut down in Indianapolis sitting right here, now that I've got that out of the way, let's talk about LeBron. LeBron James. LeBron Green. So let me start with this, Chris. 23. Look at that jersey with the crown and the... Oh, my goodness. I got to change my shirt. He brought his crown with him?
7:05Rich Eisen:Look at that. Look at that. The King James' jersey. How is that lame? What's lame about it? Why is that lame? What's lame about it? There's nothing lame about it. He's got a crown? Oh, cool. Well, his name is King James. It's not his name. His name is Brock. He's King James. He's on Twitter X, and to many people, he's King James. Cool. I don't blame him for bringing the crown, even though, you know, for people, people my age, Del Tufo, it looks like maybe he can't believe it's not butter going there in Philadelphia right there. That's true. But I don't blame the Sixers for flexing like this, man.
7:42Rich Eisen:Yeah. Here's a few things that I did not mention when I was on the show Friday that I want to mention now. Well, I did say that to you on Friday. You did say that. I'm just joking. Okay. And I did also take a look at it from a Knicks fan perspective that it's going to be Knicks and Sixers now instead of Knicks and Five. And how it's going to be an interesting development to see LeBron and Madison Square Garden multiple times and going to TD Garden. And then Boston goes there and the Knicks go there. And it's just going to be great old school Northeastern basketball. but um writ large what does this mean for the entire nba in terms of winning it all for the philadelphia 76ers and you know how do they put it together how quickly do they put it together how quickly does nick nurse get everyone buying into what he's selling obviously joel m beads health is a massive massive part of all this and that is a major question mark we won't know the answer to right just don't know but the philadelphia 76ers absolutely are now in the running to win the east they're absolutely in the running to win the whole damn thing if they can put it all together and get enough um health out of everybody and see what happens in the long run so that's where I want to turn to you Chris and say where are the Sixers in their odds right now?
9:14Rich Eisen:We were talking about this on Friday when it happened the Sixers have the fourth best title odds Oklahoma City and San Antonio are each plus 260 the Knicks are 9-1 the Sixers are 10-1 and then a little bit of a gap and then the Celtics are 14-1 and the Raptors are 20-1 that's your top six well that's if Kawhi is able to play for the team yeah that's if Kawhi I think and then Denver 22 to one Detroit and Minnesota 25 to one wow the Lakers aren't even there wow oh the Lakers are way down 45 to one they have they have about the same odds as the Pacers oh yeah wow and that's the other I would have loved to have had a GoPro on Rob Palenka's face or anybody else in that organization's face when they saw the amount of money LeBron signed for the Philadelphia 76ers.
10:17Rich Eisen:Now, they were probably having their eyes peeled keenly to see how it would all work at this late stage of the game with salary caps and things of that nature and aprons. But don't you think if he had gone back to the Lakers or stayed put with the Lakers, he would have made multiples of what he's currently allowing the Sixers to pay him. Don't you think he would also, right, never give a hometown discount to the Lakers over the last several years either? Yeah, I agree. And I don't know if it's just circumstances here that he just knew that if he wasn't going back to the Lakers, this is what the finances were going to be.
10:55Rich Eisen:And obviously finances don't really mean anything when you've got enough cash to have a place in New York City. That's another thing I'm eager to see if this is in fact true, if he's going to commute a la Kobe back in the day towards the end parts of his career. If he's going to commute, because again, Orange County to Los Angeles is almost as far in terms of not as the crow flies of New York to Philadelphia, but in terms of using ground transportation, which Kobe did not do. I'm just keen to see how all this works out. Sorry, TJ. I'm sorry, Rich. I was going to say, I think a better comp would actually be J.J.
11:32Rich Eisen:Redick in LeBron because J.J., when he played for the Sixers, he lived in Brooklyn. And so he would make the commute from Brooklyn to... I guess. I'm sure he's going to have to have a spot in Philadelphia. But the bottom line is him going to Philadelphia was a bit of a surprise. I always thought it was going to be Miami. And if not, Miami thought it would be Golden State because it would be geographically better and located to where his current base of operations is from in Los Angeles. But he, I don't know, I'll ask this of you, Chris, is the key to this whole thing. The fact that LeBron wound up in Philadelphia at the end of the day, thanks to the Boston Celtics tapping on him.
12:16Yeah, I think it's so funny.
12:18Rich Eisen:And flipping him to Philadelphia. You've seen a couple of tweets about it. It's like the Celtics basically traded Jalen Brown and LeBron James for Paul George and two number ones. Like, cool. It seems like anywhere that Jalen Brown ended up going, LeBron probably would have went there because that would have been the best basketball spot to try to win a championship. You know, if if Golden State was in on Jalen Brown, LeBron probably ends up in Golden State. It's just funny that Giannis wasn't enough to lure LeBron, but a guy like Jalen Brown and the situation that they've got going on in Philly with Maxie and Edgecombe and obviously Embiid if he can be healthy.
12:54Rich Eisen:There you go. Now you're naming all the names. Because, again, the question is if you look at Miami and there's Giannis and there's Wiggins and there's the rest of the team that they had put together. Not enough shooting. Does that stack up? Yeah, not enough shooting. Does that stack up with what the Sixers can bring to bear with slashers and scorers? I don't know. Like Maxie and Edgecombe and Brown with a monster in the middle that, when healthy, is as dominant a center as we've seen in this league in a long time. But there's the when healthy guy. That's the problem. And just wait, man. Chris, you're going to just love watching the Philadelphia 76ers play when a guy who is an all-time great, an all-time great scorer, and the number of records that LeBron has that may never be broken are too many to mention.
13:47Rich Eisen:But one thing that's not in the books is the guy who's never committed a foul in his career now is going to play with a guy who's always on the floor because he's always been fouled and is complaining to the referees all the time with his 7 '90 frame on the ground, like he's one of those balloons outside of a car dealership. Sometimes Shea Gildress Alexander is like, I'm embarrassed by that sort of behavior. What do you think? How tough is it going to be to watch the Philadelphia 76ers? It's going to be tough. For you this year. More so than normal. By the way, this is the sort of mixing up I would have had if I was physically there on Friday instead of Seth Rollins.
14:22Rich Eisen:A couple of Jalen Brown points, which is really interesting. Remember when Jalen Brown was spotted during Summer League saying that Bronny can't play in the league? That's funny because now Bronny's probably going to be a teammate at some point, right? No, he's not. You've got to figure Philly's going to go get Bronny James. Nope. Also, Jalen Brown had such a problem being a 1B in Boston, and now he's the third or fourth option? That's interesting. Categorically false. Can't wait for Philly's first three-game losing streak and LeBron passive-aggressively throws shade at his teammates on Twitter.
14:55What's going to happen when Jalen Brown goes live on Twitch and start slagging on Nick Nurse. I can't wait for all of it. All those things he said ain't going to happen. Who plays monster? What's more likely on a Monday, Rich? Look, he wants to get into his feelings about this. If we start right now, taking point right now, who plays more games in their Philadelphia career, LeBron James or Joel Embiid? What does that even mean? Neither of them can stay healthy. Oh, LeBron was really hurt? LeBron has missed some time in his last couple of seasons. LeBron has been as healthy of a player as sports have ever seen.
15:34LeBron has missed time. It's more being slander.
15:38Rich Eisen:Just saying. All right. By the way, that one, I can hear you with that. LeBron James. You were up 3-1 and you couldn't be this without him. With the guy that you acquired. If the LeBron James from last year towards the end of last year. All right. Okay. The guy who is part of a Lakers team that dominated, what, in March? Because everybody played the appropriate amount of minutes or the appropriate amount of time together, and they were all healthy. If that guy shows up and works in with a healthy Maxi, Edgecombe, Brown, and Embiid, and if that guy shows up in the playoffs where he needs to win a game at some point, like he did for the Lakers in the first round, I know you don't hang banners for first round series, but he was a man by himself playing out of his skull.
16:25Rich Eisen:If that guy shows up in Philadelphia, this is a major problem for the rest of the league. It is. But the bottom line is the two of you guys going against each other all year long. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. And the best part about it is football's right around the corner too. This is nothing new though. He and I have been doing this tango since you put me in this seat. Now the thing is he's always had an upper hand. I'm not going to lie about that. Like the Celtics have always been able to get over on the Sixers. he's always said the Sixers should trade Embiid just because he didn't want to have to deal with them anymore.
16:55So, yeah, we've been doing this for a while, but now I feel like we finally have the better team. So it's going to be even more fun this year.
17:04Rich Eisen:This is going to be great. Celtics go further than the Sixers. See, this is the sort of stuff I would have stirred up. I can't wait. This is going to be awesome. We're going to end up putting something on this. All of it. Just wait till Boston trades for Steph Curry. Steph Curry wants to put LeBron James, and we all know that, right? So Steph is going to be a six or two at some point. I'm just going to throw that out. Oh, wait till the Celtics trade for Steph Curry's just been said. I hope that gets aggregated and winds up on Steph Curry's Instagram stories. He and I had this argument this morning for about 10 minutes.
17:33The best place for Steph to win a title is not in Golden State. It's in Boston.
17:36Rich Eisen:Steph Curry loves LeBron James. I've got a national championship now head coach of Michigan basketball. It was getting set to join us in a moment. I am live right now from the state of Michigan at the fourth annual Champion Circle Golf Classic featuring Kyle Whittingham, who's going to join us at the top of our number two to talk about what's going on with him here at this school. As you know, Ward Manuel, the longtime athletic director here, who was one of Bo Schembechler's players when I was here, is stepping down as athletic director at the end of this coming season. What does Kyle Whittingham think about now change already for him here after he has been the change, if you will, in the football program for the past few months, and he has yet to even coach a game.
18:20Rich Eisen:Bryce Underwood, the quarterback of Michigan from last year, getting set for year two. What will he have to say when he joins us in hour number three? Please stay tuned for all of that. For the moment, though, get into the Hyundai Getaway Sales event and get away with a deal so right, it almost feels wrong. Right now, you can get great deals on our most popular models, including our adventure-ready SUVs, like the Hyundai Santa Fe or Santa Fe Hybrid, and the Tucson or Tucson Hybrid. Plus, there's our bold and stylish Elantra loaded with the latest tech or go all electric with the Ioniq 5 or Ioniq 9.
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20:22Rich Eisen:While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup this summer, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent. Future stars who are already turning heads at age 14. Because Next doesn't wait for an invitation, and neither do we. Hyundai has always moved the future within reach. We did it when we made advanced safety standard on every vehicle and engineered EVs with ultra-fast charging capability. Because the future isn't some far-off concept, it's already here. Next starts now. Hyundai, an official partner of FIFA. the rich eisen show is back on disney plus the espn app and espn radio as well hire right the first time with linkedin hiring pro people get started by posting a free job at linkedin.com slash eisen my first guest here at this champion circle golf event is the new head coach of michigan basketball mike boynton jr is here on the program um you're a new yorker so you might understand this reference.
21:21Rich Eisen:I think your tenure as interim coach lasted almost as long as Bill Belichick's reign as New York Jets head coach. I'm a Giants fan. I hate to admit that, but my dad is a Jets fan. We both have shared each other's misery the last decade or so. It's been that way. So walk me through, how did you meet Dusty May for the first time? Wow. We got to go back about A little more than 10 years. Dusty and I, he's a little bit older than I am, but we kind of came up in the business around the same time, similar paths, worked for many different people. And he landed in Ruston, Louisiana, Louisiana Tech, as an assistant coach around the same time that I landed in Nacogdoches, Texas.
22:03I can actually say the word now. I couldn't before I moved there. As an assistant for Brad Underwood at Stephen F. Austin. And our teams were both really successful, low to mid-major type programs. that always had a hard time scheduling opponents, always tried to recruit a little bit above our puncher's weight, if you will. And so we found ourselves in a lot of the same places a lot of times. We actually shared an official visit with one kid one time. There was no way to fly from Ruston to Nacogdoches. And so I think we met at like a casino to exchange the kid. He was finishing his visit at Louisiana Tech and coming to Stephen F.
22:39Austin. So there was just these moments that we would interact with one another. And then we had a couple people that we had both worked together with, but just obviously had never worked together between the two of us. And so we always, I think, admired each other from afar and watched each other's past. And I think once this opportunity arose two years ago, we both thought it would be a great opportunity for us to work together and do ultimately what we did was have a ton of success.
23:07Rich Eisen:And you were basically, what, your main role was the defensive side of things? Yeah, Michigan, yeah. And, you know, defense was number 12 in the country after being, I think, in the hundreds the year before we got here. Yes. And then this year we were the number one defense in the country, which is obviously a nice feather in the cap of the team. I got to tell you, and I told this to Dusty, you know, when he was the coach, that watching the team this year, you could play any style you wanted. Sometimes it was based on what others might have been dictating. Sure. But this team did the dictating most of the time.
23:49Rich Eisen:Most of the time. If you needed transition, you got that. If you needed half court, you got that. If you needed the rebounding to start the transition, you got that. If you wanted to play fast, you wanted to play slow. You wanted to do whatever the heck you wanted. The roster was there. The teamwork was there. And the thing that is amazing, you mentioned, you know, in our TV only segment is that this trophy that's sitting here between us right now, that the revisionist history is that you guys didn't lose a game or do anything. To me, the most amazing accomplishment, not just obviously the wins and losses, this trophy exists, was the ability to play like you played together forever.
24:23Rich Eisen:Absolutely. And the team was kind of thrown together through a portal and through also recruiting, obviously with Trey. Just as one and Elliott being another one who came from from North Carolina and Yaxel and Morez and, you know, a Di Mara. How the hell did you guys do that? Well, I give a lot of the credit to those new guys being able to adjust to Michigan and us having the flexibility we had to the three guys who weren't mentioned yet. And those are guys who are on the Michigan team the year before. Correct. Will Cheddar, Amari Burnett, and Roddy Gale. Right. because all three as seniors could have wanted more for themselves in their senior year.
25:07More minutes, more money, more shots, more opportunity to maybe get to the NBA. And they were all committed to sacrificing a little bit of those things so that we could win. They knew that Yaks would get a lot of the media attention. I mean, he asked for it most of the time. And that we had this 7 '4 guy who people were always going to be really intrigued by. and Elliot as the point guard would generate a lot of attention. But those guys never batted an eye about those things because they really wanted to win. They wanted to win for Michigan. And I think that's the thing that ultimately shone through the season.
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25:42And so even when difficult moments arose, they were able to connect with that one common goal and say this is what we came here for. And they kept that the focus of the season.
25:52Rich Eisen:Well, obviously you and Dusty were selling something. you know but was it tough behind the scenes because it honestly like the vegas tournament for instance right and in in late 25 you eviscerated everybody like and it looked like i was talking to my my youngest son who's my michigan watching buddy i'm like these guys look like they've they've played together for five years and it was basically not even five months at that point in time yeah we have more solutions than most people could present problems for That's how I like to put it. So usually if they try to say, hey, we're going to try to speed them up, well, we could play that way, and maybe they couldn't play that way as long as they thought they would.
26:32And if they wanted to play in half court, like UConn, quite frankly, slowed the game down, made it sort of an ugly national championship game. Yes, they did. Because that was their way to have a chance to win. Well, we could play that way and be better at that than they were. But again, it was about the team understanding that in a slower game, this is how we're going to play. We're going to play through our posts a little bit more. In a more up-tempo game, we may shoot more threes and have more possessions where Elliott's got the ball in his hands. And for each guy on the court and on the team to be okay with any style because it was going to give us the best chance to win that night was the thing that I think Dusty mastered was getting every person in our program to buy into their role and the ability to sacrifice what was necessary of them for the greater good of the team.
27:18Rich Eisen:All right, let's talk about you a little bit here, even though I know coaches don't usually like that. Mike Boyden Jr. here on the Rich Eisen Show. When did you first get a whiff that the Dallas Mavericks had entered the chat here? It was probably Sunday evening, the night before. Dusty, I think, had already gotten back from talking to him about the opportunity. And he asked me, he said, hey, you know, I think this may be something that happens. You know, if you could get this job, I'd like to help you. If not, you know, maybe there's an opportunity to go with him. And so that was the first time.
27:48The problem was it was Father's Day. No kidding. Wow. And I spent most of the day with my children and wife. How old are they? I have a 13-year-old son and a 10-year-old daughter. Okay. So it's Father's Day and you get a call. At dinner. Dusty. And then I take this conversation back to the dinner table. And everybody in my house is like, what are you talking about? Right. Because, you know, Dusty's name's come up for pretty much every job, probably including yours this spring.
28:14Rich Eisen:He couldn't handle this. One of the few things, maybe not. North Carolina or Orlando Magic, Chicago Bulls, all these jobs. And so kind of any time his name comes up, you're just kind of like, all right, it's another job. He's going to be a candidate for every job. We just have to accept it. But the next morning, it became real pretty quickly upon seeing an alert on my phone from Shams that he had accepted the job. That's how you found out for real? That it was official, yeah. So you got an indication from Dusty the night before. That it could happen. This could happen, and you might be the successor if I can help with that.
28:50Rich Eisen:I would like to. If this happens, then you go to the dinner table of Father's Day night, let your family know. You go to sleep, you wake up, and Shams Alert tells you this is done. Yeah, the funny twist of this is that on Monday morning when I wake up, assuming that I'm still an assistant coach at Michigan, I take my son to the Dusty May basketball camp in Chrysler Arena. Was Dusty there? Dusty wasn't there when camp opened. And that was the next sign that maybe it was a little bit more to the story than I understood the night before. So, wow. Yeah, it changed pretty quick. But again, Dusty's deserving of this opportunity.
29:26Yes. You know, within the program, we're all really happy for him. As coaches, we understand these are difficult decisions to make. And I know sometimes people think they're selfish, but you get to make decisions for yourself and your family. And he's given everything he was supposed to give to Michigan in two years that he could have. and so you know i'm a knicks fan at heart but i like the pistons because i coached kade sure uh and now i'm gonna root for dallas as often as they're not playing one of those other two teams
29:51Rich Eisen:well i i mean you said a lot that i want to follow up on right right here uh because i listen i i i love the guy having met him just a handful of times sure this trophy helps you know uh but you know in in the world of having to re-recruit your team every year with the nil on the portal and and and there's no off time you know where you or you can go to the nba there's an off season there's actual rules that's with a governing body called the nba front office you know like so i i understand why cooper flag also doesn't suck to be that phrase kairi but what about yeah there's another one right like we could go on and on but how about you obviously again this is not your first roadie you just mentioned you coached kade that was that was at Oklahoma State.
30:35Rich Eisen:Cade Cunningham is somebody who could run for mayor in any town in the state right now, certainly in Detroit. So it's not your first rodeo. Does this not wear on you? I mean, or the idea that now you're going to be the one handling all this NIL portal stuff and constantly have these moments? I try not to view things in a negative light. I'm a fairly optimistic person. Sure. This is a big job, though. And I understand the gravity of it, considering now the expectation is you go 38-2 and you win all your games by 35 points. You cut down three out of four nets. Good one. You know, I understand that.
31:12That's a part of it. But at the same time, I feel confident. We've got a really talented group led by two guards. Guard play is the name of the game at every level. We've got probably the best backcourt in the country, in my opinion. We've got a really good frontcourt. And then we've got some young guys who people may not know as much about now. Go for it. Lay it on me here. Yeah. Quinn Costello, Brandon McCoy as freshmen, McDonald's All-Americans, Ricky Liburd, Oscar Goodman, guys who've been in our program who understand what it takes to get to this level, just haven't been a part of it on the court as much.
31:44So I feel confident in the roster and now putting the staff together that I believe can keep the standard where it is. There should be no expectation drop off of the Michigan basketball fans.
31:53Rich Eisen:None at all. None at all. Okay. And what do you bring to the equation that might be different? Just a different voice. I'm a little bit taller. My complex is a little darker. But no, I mean, we'll do things a lot the way we have the last two years. I mean, I'm not the smartest person in the room, but when I think about how this team should play, it was recruited to play a certain way. And I've watched for two years, a wild level of success in a day and age where you have to be adaptable yes and so a lot of what we've done we'll continue to do there'll be some tweaks because we don't we won't have the quite the depth on our front court that we did last year it's almost impossible to we had three of those guys picked in the top 12 of the nba but we're still going to be good enough to compete at the top of the conference and on a national level yeah yaxel's already making his presence known not just in the summer league but i speaking on behalf of all michigan wolverines just love how he's gone a dream on being a Michigan State or how Michigan beat Michigan State last year.
32:53And I am loving that right now. Well, he loves this place. He leaned into it as much as any person could for a year. Right. And he will always represent, you know, the Michigan basketball family and the university at large. But Yaks had a great growing experience at Michigan. He showed up very unconfident a year ago. It'd be hard to believe that. But last June, it took a while for us to get him to believe that he could be the type of player that he ultimately became. And a lot of it has to do with the guys he played with that helped him realize his potential and the success on the court. So we're excited for him.
33:29We believe in what we continue to have moving forward.
33:32Rich Eisen:And I'm excited to coach this group. I'm excited to watch it, to be honest with you. And just before I let you go, I'm going to say the same thing to Kyle, Coach Whittingham, when he shows up in about 20 minutes to kick off our second hour here. um man are you taking this job over at a very crucial period yeah you know um obviously the success that that's been had but the success that could continue sure and the success of the program that michigan fans have not seen again i was a junior in high school in college here on the campus so and when when this last existed due to the basketball team um and obviously you're taking over under different like different circumstances why the job was open than kyle right but it's still the same thing where there's a lot of flux and you have to keep players and you have to keep momentum going and it looks like so far obviously you did a well enough job they removed the interim tag before you even coached a game so far you know it was a lot of work the reason i didn't join your show before is because that's what i was doing trying to keep this roster together sure uh and i thank you for the invite this is uh absolutely an awesome opportunity for us to be on this stage with as much as you represent thank you for so it's it's a great opportunity.
34:41We're glad to represent the Block M all over the world. My first week on the job, and I'll leave you with this, I learned the power of Michigan. I went to Argentina to watch Trey McKinney play in a FIBA event. I took off from Detroit and I landed in JFK for my connection and I saw a Michigan hat in the airport, a JFK airport. When I landed in Buenos Aires airport in Argentina, I saw a Michigan hat in the airport. Yeah, you did. And flying back, I saw a Michigan hat in the airport in London. So I know the power and the brand, the reach of this place, and I look forward to representing it.
35:15Rich Eisen:And I look forward to watching it as well. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you. You didn't say you had the best backcourt in America because both Elliot Cadeau and Trey McKinney are standing right over there, did you? I did not, but I'm glad they're here and I hope they understand what it takes. Well, I'm excited to meet them and thank them personally for making me a very happy man. And thank you for helping make this exist as well. Thank you. That is none other than Mike Boynton Jr., the new head coach of Michigan basketball. when we come back here from this champion circle event.
35:42Rich Eisen:Two national champions, L.A. Cadell and Trey McKinney, next. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.
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37:11Rich Eisen:If high interest credit card debt is grinding you down, it might be time to call an audible with a SoFi personal loan. It consolidates your debt into one low monthly payment with no fees required. And with as soon as the same day funding, you can make the right play fast. Call an audible on your debt today at SoFi.com slash debt play. Loans originated by SoFi Bank N.A. Member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891. Fast funds terms apply at SoFi.com slash debt play. Trey McKinney and Elliot Cadeau, national champions, are here on the Rich Eisen Show. So let's just jump into it here. when when you won it all did you have any sense at all any sense at all that Dusty May might be on a radar screen of an NBA team at all Elliot um no to be honest I didn't really expect anything I thought you know it like I thought he was gonna come back we were gonna run it back try to win another national championship and the news kind of came out of the blue but in that moment no I definitely didn't expect him to leave did Trey anything would you agree with that or do you have any sense of that at all no I agree I feel like you know the plan was for you know me and Elliot to come back and be the featured you know backcourt on the team and you know try to lead us to another national championship but it was definitely out of the blue and I mean but we're we're happy for him one and I'm glad that you're still here obviously speaking as a as a Michigan fan uh did you get the sense that yaks and mores and and die were were gone too did you get the sense that that was pretty much gonna happen yeah for sure i think okay i think we all knew that they would um enter the draft because you know we we kind of had a sense that they would get picked as right high as they did as high as they did right yeah and then so again just uh when when when i found out that dusty was gone i immediately thought of the two of you guys and i kept refreshing my feed to see what you guys thought what what were you trey thinking when you heard that dusty was was going to the nba what did you think of i mean i was definitely kind of upset but i think there was just a level of uncertainty with everybody in the room i mean i didn't know what was going on elliot didn't know what was going on like the whole team didn't know what was going on and i think the biggest thing for me elliot was just to try to calm the team down you know knowing that we really didn't know what was going on or what was going to happen later in that day so i think we just did a really good job of just trying to keep the team together and yeah just keeping the team together you want to add a little bit to that for me yeah i feel like as one of the leaders of the team me and trey talked about it we were we were kind of just our main focus was to keep the team together you know we both talked about it the day it happened and we both kind of told each other that we wanted to stay here.
40:07Right. So it was our job to help coach keep the roster together, and we just tried to do that day by day.
40:14Rich Eisen:How much was it helpful for you guys that Mike Boynton Jr. is getting the gig? Did that help for you? Yeah, for sure. That helped for me just on a comfortability standpoint. I was very comfortable with him. I have a good relationship with him, And, you know, it's not somebody that I don't know, somebody that I don't trust coming in and trying to coach me. So I felt like that was definitely the best option to keep coach there. How about you, Trey? Yeah, I mean, Coach Mike, he recruited me here. And, you know, he was the guy that was he just mentioned he flew down to Argentina to watch you. He was the main recruiter in my recruitment.
40:50So, right. I mean, it was obviously a no brainer for me. But I think Coach Dusty, he recruited a really good staff at Michigan. and the people we left behind, you know, they could have took the reins and did a really good job with the program. So I think it was a no-brainer for them to be able to keep him. And I think if they would have, you know, looked elsewhere, it probably would have went a different way.
41:13Rich Eisen:Yeah, where you might not be sitting here right next to me right now is what you're saying? And the same thing with you. I mean, let's be honest, right? I mean, that's the way the world works these days. You know, and I think there's unfair pressure that gets put on athletes It's like the two of you. I mean, you know, when coaches can do, obviously, what Dusty just did and has every right to do, but it's your right to also not want to do it here anymore. And I just love the fact that you guys are here. So what would you say to those of us in the fan base that are nervous that, you know, obviously what just happened, and here comes a guy that we're not familiar with his coaching style in any way, shape, or form.
41:55Rich Eisen:how is it gonna roll on do you think um i think coach mike was a really big part of us winning that national championship and how so if you don't mind me finding out um he was like the head assistant coach so um he pretty much made all the subs he pretty much you know did did other things that were really like impactful to us winning and you know like i feel like all the practices so far with coach mike have been the same feel same as last year very very similar to last year if not the exact same and i think he'll have a similar role as dusty and i feel like we'll be the same as last year what about you trey yeah i think i mean i feel like it's just a different voice um we're gonna run a lot of the same stuff we did last year i mean we had more of a free-flowing offense and he definitely had a really big part like elliot said he constructed the subs and he did most of our defense and stuff like that.
42:58And, you know, his voice was there throughout last year and that season. So he definitely had a great impact on our team. When did you know last year was special, Elliot? I kind of knew since like the beginning, like when the whole team got together for the first time, I knew we were going to be really good when like it was hard for me to find out who the starting five was going to be. Like I had like three different ways you could go with the starting five and it would be an elite starting five so that's when I knew we had a good team because we had like eight starters yeah I mean
43:32Rich Eisen:the number of times though I mean I know you didn't start right you you you wound up finishing though you know like that that happened quite a bit and obviously when LJ went down things you know kind of uh got reordered but when did you realize that your first year at Michigan you could wind up with a trophy like this, Trey? Yeah, I mean, I never had the dream of, you know, winning a national championship. I never thought that would happen that quick. Right. I think in the summer we just, everybody was so individually talented and we knew if we could come together as one and become a team and do whatever it takes to win as a team, that, you know, we could do anything and we put our minds to.
44:14So definitely I would say in the summer when we had those very hard practices and everybody was just showing what they could do on the floor.
44:23Rich Eisen:And, you know, Coach Boynton and Dusty mentioned as well, getting everybody to understand the collective more than the individual. How difficult was that from your perspective? I felt like it was really easy. Like, I think the coaches knew what they were doing in the recruiting. They went in the transfer portal and they grabbed kids with the same mindset. Yeah. and everybody not one person on the team really had an ego so it was like everybody just when when coach was mentioning for us all to come together everybody immediately understood it and came together okay and you know um people are going to be having a target on the university of michigan next year because you guys have this and they want this for sure and they think that maybe because of all the changes, it's going to be right for the plucking.
45:17Rich Eisen:Your answer to anybody who thinks that, Trey McKinney, is what? I mean, they can target us as much as they want. I feel like we have a really talented team and I don't think there will be that big of a gap between last year and this year. I mean, I think the goal is a national championship and it's nothing less than that. What's your answer to that? I feel like people targeting us is a good thing for us is going to force us to be better in practice every day, to be on our ten toes every day and just work harder. And I feel like that will help us. Yeah, okay. Well, I look forward to watching it get done.
45:53Rich Eisen:You guys are not playing golf today, is that correct? No, I'm not playing golf. You are not golfers? You do not play golf or you have yet to play golf? Is that what it is? I think I just need to learn. I haven't learned yet. So once I learn, I feel like I'll play it. Okay, so you just need a little push is what you're saying. Oh, okay. What about you, Trey? No? My swing is getting better, but, you know, I'm not really a – I like watching it. Anybody from the team actually playing out here today? Is anybody a good stick? I know JP is playing. Okay. Yeah. I don't know how good he is, but I know he's playing.
46:24Rich Eisen:I mean, how big is his golf club going to be? I don't know. What the hell? Yeah, extra. Just take some legs off a ladder and just put some sort of a nine-iron head on the top of it and let him go. Fantastic. Elliot, Cadeau, and Trey McKinney here on The Rich Eisen Show to wrap up our number one. When it comes to your home, Pella Windows and Doors are the experts at taking care of you and your home. At Pella, they find the products that meet your needs and their experts install them. And that means working with a company that builds and installs a quality product with real pricing, real simple, really beautiful.
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Live from Michigan where Rich and the guys debate how much of an impact LeBron James will have on the Philadelphia 76ers’ NBA title hopes.
New Michigan Head Basketball Coach Mike Boyton Jr. and Rich discuss winning the national championship as an assistant coach, the challenge of replacing Dusty May who took the Dallas Mavericks’ job, and more.
Michigan basketball guards Trey McKenney and Elliot Cadeau tell Rich they were surprised May bolted UM for the NBA, reveal they would have probably transferred if Boynton hadn’t been elevated to head coach and more.
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