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18:42Rich Eisen:Your home may be worth more than you think. Find out how much at airbnb.com slash host. The Rich Eisen Show podcast. Rich Eisen Show on Disney Plus, the ESPN app. Our ESPN radio audience has just returned. We're here in the downtown convention center in Indianapolis, Indiana. Charles Davis, CBS Sports, NFL Network. so much more is here on the program. You got the Duke right there. Can't help it, Rich.

19:10Charles Davis:When you see the rock there, you feel it and the whole deal. Think about these youngsters getting ready to make that move and use this ball instead of a collegiate ball.

19:20Rich Eisen:It's coming. It's coming. Well, we're not going to see Fernando Mendoza spin it. Nope. Although I just mentioned in our first segment of the program, we're going to see him on Saturday. And as they said, there are going to be tens of thousands of people here just to cheer him on standing around on Saturday. So where do you stand on the subject matter of him as the first overall pick in this draft?

19:45Charles Davis:I hate using the term no-brainer, but the Raiders are in such a massive reset. He's the quarterback that has proven himself to be that guy. He is coming in the recent line, Rich, as far as I'm concerned, of quarterbacks that had a certain grade going into their last year that didn't suggest top overall pick and playing their way into it. Joe Burrow was one of those. Zach Wilson played himself into the number two overall pick. Cam Ward played himself into the number one overall pick. But if you went to all the teams in the league and asked what their grades were going into that last season, I don't think anyone had any of them as the number one overall pick.

20:23Charles Davis:In fact, a number of them had them in third round fourth round grades played himself into that spot right proved it conclusively to me yes the big hit that he took against miami that was a big deal and he got up and played but i go back to the ohio state game the big 10 championship game first play of the game yeah and he goes to the bench gets a little bit of treatment i think he missed one snap and he's back out on the field dealing, he has what you're looking for to start to build around. Right. He is the legit guy. As far as I'm concerned, there's one quarterback in the first round, and it's him.

20:59Charles Davis:Who's two on your board? It has to be Ty Simpson almost by default. I mean, in general. Oh, you mean number two overall? Probably Arvell Reese, the kid out of Ohio State. But you can have an argument with me about, do I want David Bailey coming in there at that point? Do I want one of the tackles, Malanoa from Miami or Fanoa from Utah? You can have the argument on it. For me, it's Reese, but then Stiles is also in that discussion. Well, I'm looking forward to seeing.

21:28Rich Eisen:Downs is going to be a top 10 kid. It's going to be interesting. Yeah, Downs is coming up on this show momentarily. Well, he's a neat kid. I just got to meet him. I have never met him.

21:35Charles Davis:Wow, he's a neat one, Richard. I mean, I watched him play.

21:38Rich Eisen:I watched him play.

21:40Charles Davis:You didn't enjoy it, I know, because of that. Well, no, to be honest with you,

21:43Rich Eisen:the first time I saw him play was against Alabama in the Rose Bowl.

21:46Charles Davis:the Rose Bowl. So you were fine?

21:47Rich Eisen:And then the next year I saw him play against...

21:49Charles Davis:So you liked him okay up until this year? Up until this year. Up until this year. He was fine.

21:54Rich Eisen:He is as good as they come. He's a good player. And he can affect the defense from wherever he lines up. And so there's an argument as to who is the most impactful defender that the Buckeyes are sending to the Combine. And we're going to see... It'll be interesting to see. Well, we're going to see a couple of them later right here on NFL Network. But Bailey is a kid, though, that can wind up second overall to the Jets as well, who just traded Jermaine Johnson for Tevondre Sweat. They went from outside in on that front. What are you shaking your head about that?

22:26Charles Davis:The reason I'm shaking my head is, boy, is that just a Robert Sala special already? Right.

22:30Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, he was the guy who drafted him.

22:32Charles Davis:Right. Joe Douglas drafted him with Robert Sala as the head coach as part of that rotational defensive end edge rusher deal. Tevondre Sweat is a massive man who plugs up the middle against the run. doesn't offer you a lot of pass rush. If you're wanting pass rush, Jermaine Johnson will give you more pass, which is what Robert Sala was looking for. So the deal was made, and it makes sense to me, especially from Tennessee's perspective. The Jets obviously look for a reset, and you're getting a massive man in the middle who's going to plug things up if you try and run the football.

23:01Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, we had Kyle Van Nooy on the show last week, and he said that defensive tackle is becoming more of an important elite position than edge rusher is what he said. Wow, that's an interesting deal. I know that he basically said that to be able to affect a pass rush from the edge with the way quick releases are coming and other protection schemes are being created, up the middle is where it's most important right now.

23:25Charles Davis:So Kyle's taking us back to the Super Bowl of Seattle, New England, Malcolm Butler's interception. Because if they don't lose, was it Cliff Averill? Right. Who's rushing inside and wreaking havoc on Tom Brady and crew. Right. that game may turn out differently. That's where kind of it became the focal point. Greg Williams, a former defensive coordinator, remember when they drafted Denzel Ward instead of Bradley Chubb? He said, hey, the cover guy is more important because they're getting rid of the ball so fast it's harder off for the edge guys. So I can see where he's coming from on that one. The interesting part is sweat.

24:00Matt Miller:He's going to have to show that he's a pass rusher.

24:03Charles Davis:He has not shown that. He's not Byron Murphy, who played next to him at Texas, who is an interior pass rusher.

24:08Rich Eisen:Yeah, I think he's also going the year before Milton Williams for the Eagles. Now obviously showed up in New England significantly well there, too. All right, Charles Davis here on the Rich Eisen Show. Where do you put Jeremiah Love on the running backs that we've seen come out of the combine and the draft and wind up in the top 10?

24:30Charles Davis:Let's go recency. Just because Esh and Gentey came out last year and there was a debate for the Raiders at six. Do you take the runner? or do you take a bigger guy, so on and so over. They took Gentry. Didn't get quite what they wanted, but I don't think it was Gentry's fault. I did about, my crew did about five Raiders games. I think we did three in a four-week span. There were a lot of games, Rich, when said, hut, handoff, he takes the ball, getting hit.

24:55Rich Eisen:Right.

24:56Charles Davis:So that's a very difficult thing. Now, plug in the Houston tape late in the season. He played really well. Got a little bit of space, created the whole deal.

25:05Rich Eisen:He's the real thing. You might be unaware as to why he performed that well in that game. Because I benched him in fantasy. Because you benched him in fantasy. Of course you did. You're unaware of that. That's called a motivation. Because I'd sick and tired enough of what Ashton Gentry was not doing.

25:18Charles Davis:That becomes a motivator. You're welcome. He must have found out.

25:21Rich Eisen:You're welcome, Ashton. I have no idea.

25:22Charles Davis:Someone must have told him, you know, Rich benched you that week. And that's what happened. Look at me now.

25:26Rich Eisen:I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt you. But that's okay.

25:27Charles Davis:But there are people that I talk to that like love a little bit better than Gentry. They think that he can be a little bit better out of the backfield, catch the ball, the whole deal. If he's not a running back, Rich, there's a big case to be made, you know, regardless of position. He's the number two player in the draft. If you're saying that Mendoza's the quarterback has to hold the number one spot. I think he does.

25:48Rich Eisen:I think he has to hold the number one spot. I think the Raiders do it. I don't think the Raiders can do anything else. But we had, again, Brad Holmes here the other day because his choosing of Gibbs 12th overall a couple years ago was eye-opening at the time. And a move to do it. But look at what he's done. And everybody was like, why are they doing that? They already, they just signed Montgomery. They had Montgomery. I know. Why do you need a running back here? The Lions need more than that. And I think that that, but that has now affected what people might be thinking of Jeremiah Love here. Bijan.

26:23Rich Eisen:Yep. Being as successful from the spot from which he was chosen. That if you have a running back that can do as much as what Jeremiah Love supposedly is going to be able to do, you go ahead and pull that trigger and don't let him if you're the rest of the league wind up standing next to mahomes for the first five years of his career at least go back to christian

26:39Charles Davis:mcafree's year right because that was a big debate as well because that was leonard fournette at the same time do we take that plus size running back who also can run are we going to get a smaller guy quote unquote can he run between the tackles can he do whatever it's one of the few times i felt like i was on track i thought i knew he could run between the tackles i was very confident in him and he goes in the top 10 i think dave gettleman took him at carolina and the rest as they say is history because in that year i thought he's the best wide receiver in the draft not just not just the rest running they've been ran the best routes had the best hands and since that time he's

27:15Rich Eisen:proven us all correct what's your favorite story that you've heard about of anybody about anybody in this in this combine you like it the journey a story you know there's who do you like on that

27:26Charles Davis:from there's a kid at texas tech defensive lineman three-name kid for some reason it's escaping me and i hate that i hate that there's only 800 kids here we're number zero upper iowa okay start his collegiate career walks on at northern illinois becomes a team

27:47Rich Eisen:captain northern illinois goes to texas tech supposed to be a 235 pound linebacker northern

27:54Charles Davis:in Illinois says, well, we'll let you walk on, but you've got to be a D-tackle. Builds himself into 270 pounds and turns himself into a player, and he'll be out here running and moving today.

28:04Rich Eisen:Okay. I love stories like that.

28:06Charles Davis:We're going to see guys like that. You know, Eli Stowers, the tight end at Vanderbilt.

28:11Rich Eisen:Is it Skyler Gil Howard you're referring to?

28:13Charles Davis:Bingo. Thank you.

28:14Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen show crew in the truck just nailed that.

28:17Charles Davis:So my apologies to the family, and thank you so much for the help. Love this kid. You can't stump my truck. You know, there's no way. This just trucks not being stuck.

28:25Rich Eisen:Well, when they have Google as well, it helps.

28:26Charles Davis:But Stowers quarterback gets hurt.

28:29Rich Eisen:Sure.

28:30Charles Davis:You'll hear Stacy Dales will give you a lot of great stories on these kids. He ends up learning how to play the guitar after he has an arm injury, playing the other hand. And then he ends up going to tight end, transferring from New Mexico State, becomes a tight end at Vanderbilt. Right. Maybe one of the best tight ends in the draft. Wins the Campbell Trophy from the National Football Foundation as the academic Heisman this past year. Got a chance to meet his dad, who had been a player, been a college football player. Right. As my father used to say all the time, the leaves don't fall far from the tree.

29:01Charles Davis:When you meet the dad, you get it. Okay.

29:03Rich Eisen:Believe me. I like it. So that's a couple small ones. All right. Just a couple small school people. Very good. And then you had mentioned Ty Simpsons, too, on the quarterback.

29:13Charles Davis:I think he's going to be, too, on the quarterback list. To me, Ty Simpson and his crew were very savvy in what they were doing. Because to me, 15 starts, what we've had in recent years, you should go back to school and play. Certainly with the amount of money you can make. Go get it and the whole deal. He talked about being loyal to Alabama, not going somewhere else, wanting to do that. But I also think that when Dante Moore went back to school, when Chambliss won his court case and was able to go back to school, the door's wide open for the number two position in this thing. he probably get at worst a second round pick and you become that guy you go back into the pool now we did say 2026 would be a huge quarterback year we did for a while didn't we i know we we said that going into the season it's supposed to be a massive quarterback year right 2027 now once again we're like it's gonna be a massive quarterback year we don't know right but based on what they know and what they see i feel like he and his group made a savvy decision like everybody else went back we stay i think he's gonna be the number two quarterback taken carson beck is here at this combo yeah and he was in bryce young's recruiting class okay tyler shuck played with justin herbert

30:28Rich Eisen:at oregon that's where we are i mean that's that's where we are right now um and clearly what that means is he's you know advanced in age certainly for a prospect yeah but uh but he's also got a ton of college experience and you've seen Bo Nix, you've seen Brock Purdy, with tons of college experience, have a leg up when you, Shuck as well, Shuck was talking last year, in terms of experience, it's not just snaps, it's in terms of coming back from injury, it's in terms of having coaches change on you, it's in terms of you being a free agent, you know what I mean? Like he pretty much had the professional career experience before setting foot in the NFL and that's I'm wondering if Carson Beck might have something like that on his side.

31:15Charles Davis:There will be something to it because everything you just said, all right, had to wait his turn at Georgia. Remember? Stetson Bennett, the whole deal. Wait his turn. Got his turn. Looked like, oh, wow, this guy could be the number one pick in the draft. Gets hurt in the SEC title game. Blown up.

31:28Rich Eisen:Yep.

31:29Charles Davis:Has to rehab. Come back. No guarantee it's all going to be right. Makes it. Helps his team get to a college football playoff national championship game.

31:37Rich Eisen:Yes, sir.

31:38Charles Davis:So all those things you're talking about, Rich, all come into focus for a guy like Carson Beck. But remember a couple years ago, the draft, right? Caleb Williams, two different schools, a lot of experience playing, number one pick. Jaden Daniels, two different schools, a lot of experience playing, number two overall pick. Drake May, one school but a three-year starter. We just keep going down. Michael Penix, two different schools, 30-plus starts. Bo Nix, you mentioned, 61 starts. It was amazing how that experience translated. And somewhere Hall of Fame coach Bill Parcells had a big grin on his face because remember what he said?

32:16Charles Davis:I've got a formula for what I want out of quarterbacks.

32:19Rich Eisen:Three-year starter, team captain, X number of wins, all those things.

32:25Charles Davis:Guys playing less than that have a few more struggles it feels like. So now we'll see where it all goes. Anthony Richardson being the latest example.

32:33Rich Eisen:Love you, Charles Davis. Thanks for your time, man. I love you, too. It's great to see you.

32:35Charles Davis:Can't wait to hang with you one more ride. And then in Pittsburgh. Yes, sir. Then we do the draft. Listen, I can't wait to get back to the Steel City. I love to walk those bridges and the whole deal. Yeah, you come out of the tunnel.

32:45Rich Eisen:You come out of the tunnel. It looks like Gotham City in front of you. You're looking for Batman. We did see that, didn't we?

32:50Charles Davis:Wasn't that Hines Ward making the punt return in the game or the kick return? And the field just collapsing around him. Yes, Bane. And Bane will meet us at City Hall. And there's a Bane in this draft. There's a Bane in this draft. Have you seen Bane's face mask? Yeah. It is a lot like.

33:04Rich Eisen:I know. It's kind of crazy. We should keep him out of Pittsburgh. Must get back to the people. Hopefully he'll have a draft party at home. Good to see you, Matt. Great to see you. Charles Davis right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Matt Miller is going to join us. His thoughts on how the draft order might fall. That's next on the Rich Eisen Show.

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35:05Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. From ESPN is here on the program. Your mock draft, you have Fernando Mendoza at one. Where does he rank for you if Mendoza was in either of the last two drafts?

35:21Matt Miller:Yeah, no, that's a great question. Thank you. You're good at your job, Rich. Thank you, Matt. I look at 2024 with Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Drake May. I don't think he's touching those guys as prospects. You could maybe have the conversation with Drake because he didn't have a great fun all year at UNC, but he was young and you saw the upside. I think Mendoza slots in right behind him, ahead of Michael Penix Jr., ahead of Bo Nix, and even ahead of Cam Ward, who I wasn't a huge Cam Ward believer last year. I thought there were a lot of wrinkles to his game that needed ironed out in terms of timing and decision-making.

35:53Matt Miller:We saw him improve over the course of the season, I think, after Thanksgiving. He got kind of encouraged about his play. I didn't have Jackson Dart as a first-round pick last year. Obviously, the Giants disagreed and made him one. But I think Mendoza's ahead of those guys, but probably behind Drake May. What's his superpower? Mendoza, I think it's his eyes. His ability to see the field. He throws such a catchable ball, but that's because he knows his eyes are telling him where to go with the ball, when to go with the ball. His guys barely dropped any passes last year. And that's a credit to them, but it's also a credit to his ball placement, catchability.

36:26Rich Eisen:Yeah, his 50-50 throws in the big games for Indiana.

36:31Matt Miller:The Omar Cooper throw, you know, against Penn State to win the game. We have rightfully credited Omar Cooper with making a great catch, but that's a fantastic throw as well. You know, it's the Joe Montana, Dwight Clark situation. It's like, you know, sure, that was a great catch, but to put the ball where only your guy can get it and understanding what your player can do, that's what Mendoza does so well. You know, he kind of bores you to sleep and then beats you is the crazy thing about him because he doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not the fastest player, but he doesn't make mistakes. And so I think his eyes and his football IQ are a superpower.

37:02Rich Eisen:Yeah, his out routes, he throws them on time. He's awesome at that. The 50-50, the back shoulder. And those were the ones that were the back breakers for Indiana. And, of course, him running it in was the big one against Miami.

37:15Matt Miller:And I look at him, and I see a lot of Joe Burrow, honestly, do. If someone who plays with poise without having elite measurables. But the elite measurable is his mind and what he does. And then also, I love a quarterback that plays better after you hit him in the face. And Burrow did that, you know, the bowl game his junior year. He gets run over by Central Florida, late hit, pops up, and then goes on a run, essentially, of a year of being unstoppable. I think we saw that with Mendoza this year, too. There were times he would get popped, and he seemed to just play better after that fact. So I love that in a quarterback where they show they have a little bit of fighting.

37:48Rich Eisen:Matt Miller here on the Rich Eisen Show. So the Jets at two in your mock, you have Arbel Reese. Why do you have him there? There's some others that I've seen with Bailey in that mix. Mel Kuyper, our colleague. Yeah. Through Caleb Downs. The godfather going with the safety at number two overall. How about that? So what do you walk me through the Jets choices here and why you land with Reese?

38:12Matt Miller:Yeah. So this is how good I am at my job. I did this before the Jermaine Johnson trade was announced today because that mock was February 2nd, which that's sarcasm. I'm not that good at my job. But Jermaine Johnson now gone. And I think when you add Tavondre Sweat, they're signaling they're moving to a 3-4 defense. They need speed on the edge. Will McDonald is a solid player, not a great player. He's around 250 pounds. They're going to stand these guys up. Arville Reese coming out of Ohio State, he came in today around 243 pounds. He's fast off the edge, and he's still getting better. He had 97 pass rush reps last year, produced six and a half sacks.

38:45Matt Miller:He can play like Micah Parsons and Abdul Carter have done. He can play as an off-ball linebacker, but his future is rushing the quarterback. And he said that here. He sees himself as an outside linebacker, as an edge rusher. And for the Jets, that's exactly what he could be, standing up off the edge, going and getting after the quarterback.

39:01Rich Eisen:And then moving down your list here, if you pop it back up one more time, please. On the third overall selection, you wind up with Maui Goa going from the left side of the Miami offensive line going to Arizona. Why do you see Mike LaFleur's first pick being that guy?

39:22Matt Miller:And I think this is where the draft truly starts because the Cardinals are a bad team that could go a lot of different directions. They have a question mark at quarterback. They have a question mark at running back. They have question marks all over the defense. The idea here would be to build an infrastructure for 2027 when you have an opportunity to draft a quarterback of the future. You can roll with Jacoby Brissett for another year. He played well enough down the stretch, but Malanoa could be that right tackle opposite Paris Johnson, who's been a solid left tackle. and your hope is that you are then building that foundation so that when you have the opportunity to get a quarterback the team is the table's kind of set for that quarterback instead of reaching for a quarterback at three there's not one this year that I would advocate for drafting after Mendoza in the top 15 or top 20 picks so looking at positional value and how to just build a team when you've been not very good I think addressing the offensive line first is pretty smart.

40:11Rich Eisen:And now you had Bain forth to the Titans. The choice of making this trade today, do you think this affects the pick or you just say Bain is so damn talented and there's no chance Salah passes?

40:27Matt Miller:I think the trade does affect that. And I think with Robert Salah coming in, so what type of edge rusher is he going to want? Adding Jermaine Johnson, who he had with the Jets, tells me that they want at least one person who has that speed coming off the edge. Bain is not that player. He's a power player. And right before you and I sat down today, his measurables came in. He came in at under 6 '3", 264 pounds, which is lighter than he was listed at Miami, and he came in with sub-31-inch arm length. To some people, they say, why does it matter? Turn on the tape. Watch him play, especially in the College of World Playoff.

41:00Matt Miller:But that would be the only player since 1999 drafted in the first round with sub-31-inch arm length. And so as a general manager, you're saying, do I want, am I smarter than the numbers? Is this player going to be the outlier? A player's never had double-digit sacks with under 31-inch arms, at least going back to 1999 when we have firm combine data since then. So Bain at four, the tape says, yeah, he's pretty good. He's probably worth number four. But now the numbers are where you start to have those conversations as a scouting department and say, do we believe this guy's different than every other player drafted since 1999?

41:35Matt Miller:Is this the Will Campbell defensive conversation? It is. It honestly is. And Will got hurt this year and then unfortunately had a pretty rough stretch in the playoffs. And now arm length is a pretty big topic of conversation because of that.

41:47Rich Eisen:All right. So now the Giants have a choice between Ohio State players. Yeah. Right. There's going to be a lot of Ohio State.

41:53Matt Miller:I know you hate hearing that. No, not at all.

41:55Rich Eisen:But there's going to be a lot of Ohio State guys. I'm used to it. And for good reason. They're phenomenal. Just sometimes they should do better then. But, you know, Carnell Tate, you have them going receiver rather than Caleb Downs, who might be a perfect fit for that defense on the back end, too.

42:11Matt Miller:Yeah, he might be. And I think with John Harbaugh, we could even see them go Sonny Stiles, the middle linebacker from Ohio State. So there's a couple of Buckeyes that they could choose from there. I look at Carnell Tate as a 6 '3", 200-pound, excellent route runner opposite the speed of Malik Nabors to give Jackson Dart those weapons, to give him all the answers to the question. I think that's how you, number one, evaluate a young quarterback. And then, number two, develop them. You know, Dart had some great moments this year. He also had some rough stretches. So for them to find out, is he the guy, is he the quarterback we can build around, you want to give him as many answers to the test as possible and see how he handles that.

42:46Rich Eisen:So this is a fascinating part of your mock draft here. Again, for those who are listening or watching right now, this is not the real draft. That's happening in Pittsburgh. Jeremiah Love you have him winding up in New Orleans so many people have just basically penciled him in if not sharpie to Love in for the Chiefs at nine and I keep sitting here thinking why would Kellen Moore pass on an offensive weapon like this guy at eight and your your thought is he won't they won't yeah why pass on him I couldn't come up with a good answer for

43:21Matt Miller:You have Tyler Shuck, who looks good as a rookie. Right. And all the arguments people use for why Kansas City should draft Jeremiah Love, those are the same reasons New Orleans should draft Jeremiah Love. So why would the Saints pass on him? Right. Especially with the younger team. And I would argue New Orleans is a team that's being built. Kansas City is still in win-now mode. They're still trying to win a Super Bowl. Jeremiah Love is my top player in the class. I have nothing negative to say about him as a prospect. But does he help Kansas City get to the quarterback? They only had 25 sacks last year.

43:50Matt Miller:Does he help them do that? does he shore up the coverage especially if Trent McDuffie is going to be a trade block candidate this year can he play strong safety and help cover these great tight ends that we're seeing pop up everywhere in the NFL so as much as we all like we all play fantasy football and the idea of love in the homes together it's beautiful like it would be so much fun I don't think that they're in a position where they have the luxury of taking a running back at nine I think they have much bigger issues to fill because the dynasty windows still open as long as Andy and Pat are there

44:19Rich Eisen:is love the guy though that is going to spark the first trade of the draft more than anybody else or or am i missing somebody could it be bailey it could be drops yeah styles downs like give me the name of a guy that's going to spark the first trade of the draft i think it could be jeremiah

44:37Matt Miller:love i think we could see a head coach fall in love with love and say i gotta go get my guy but i think david bailey the address from texas tech because if you're trading it's probably for a premium position. It's usually a quarterback or a pass rusher. Could be an offensive lineman if you really like the kid from Miami. Yeah, this is mostly a right tackle draft. Okay. And historically, teams haven't traded up for right tackle. The Bears flipped one spot two years ago to get Darnell Wright out of Tennessee. How'd that work? Very well. Very well for them. So we could see that. But I think David Bailey, the year that he had, the type of player that he is, the speed that he has as an edge rusher, that's the kind of guy you would give up draft capital for.

45:14Rich Eisen:Okay. so but love for me like if you're the browns at six if i'm the giants i'm like you know i love love like let's get him in let's just say he's going to be the the sonic to you know scataboo's knuckles you know what i mean like let's let's let's let's let everyone think we're even we're we're falling in love with this guy because i i want to keep pushing love up the board as much as possible. If I'm like the Giants or the Browns at six, you know, I would want to do something like that.

45:45Matt Miller:Yeah. And I think even the commanders are at seven. Yeah. Why wouldn't they take them? Right. I can't come up with a great answer for them either. You know, again, the arguments to give Mahomes a run game are valid, but why not give Jaden Daniels a run game? Why not give, you know, Tyler Shuck a run game? I think those are also teams that are going to have a hard time looking at him and saying, you know, we're trying to build something. We don't have, you know superman at quarterback let's help our quarterback the Chiefs do have that guy all right

46:13Rich Eisen:and uh I got about 30 seconds before the radio audience to go isn't I this is a question that's more than that but is Simpson in your first round barely and I like I'm hesitant and this week will

46:24Matt Miller:help me figure out who he is as a player because he had nine games that were amazing six that weren't and you're trying to figure out what happened there you know the the number 25 starts is big for NFL front offices, he's only started 15. So again, like with the arm length conversation, are we betting that he's not Mitchell Trubisky or Mac Jones or Anthony Richardson or Trey Lance, guys that started one year and have had no success in the NFL? The Rich Eisen Show Podcast.

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