Hour 1: Patriots/Seahawks Reactions, Darnold’s Injury, plus The MMQB’s Albert Breer

19:00Albert Breer:The ceiling, the ceiling isn't falling in my mouth. Meltdown, Meltdown City.

19:03Rich Eisen:Are we in Meltdown City there in Boston?

19:06Albert Breer:A little bit of a different, different, different tone and tenor to the conversation here than there was 24 hours ago, I'd say.

19:12Rich Eisen:Okay. Yeah. So what we saw in the fourth quarter on Wednesday night is something we talked about at the top of our program here. The Drake May turnover problem. And that has been something that actually the Patriots were dealing with while they were making the Super Bowl last year. So is this sort of their concerns behind the scenes being laid bare out front or just a bad quarter, Auburn?

19:40Albert Breer:I think it's an acknowledgement that all quarterback development isn't linear. And I think if you talk to people in the organization, Drake's still figuring out how to play quarterback at the NFL level. And he's such a big athletic kid. And I mean, if you want to put it plainly, so many things went according to plan last year because you've got a great offensive coordinator in Josh McDaniels and nobody has tape of him with a quarterback like Drake Mays. So they're able to do all of these different things and give all these defenses, all these unscattered looks, you know, and then you get to the postseason.

20:16Albert Breer:Now everybody's got a full a full year of tape. And now you got Jesse Minter scheming it up for the Chargers and their personnel. And you've got Matt Burke and D 'Amico Ryan's doing it for the Texans and their personnel. Vance Joseph and the Broncos, Mike McDonald and the Seahawks. And I think it's just sort of an acknowledgement that Drake does have a ways to go, you know, and Drake does have development to go. And that's something that I think actually, like in the long run, Patriot fans can be excited about. But I think, you know, the other piece of it that's so interesting to me, Rich, is that, you know, I think through the four quarterbacks, the four guys who are right there in the same age group that ascended so quickly.

20:56Albert Breer:Right. Like, so that'd be Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Jackson. I think they fooled us all into thinking quarterback development is just linear. You know what I mean? Like, it's just those guys got really good, really fast and stayed really good. And there weren't a ton of bumps outside of the injuries. You know, a bunch of those guys have had injuries, but those guys have kind of gotten to and maintained an elite level. And, you know, I think we were all sort of spoiled by that, you know, and sometimes there are bumps along the way. And I think, you know, some of Drake's issues in the playoffs and the issues last night are proof of it.

21:28Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, he's he was also one vote shy of being the most valuable player of the NFL last year.

21:33Albert Breer:But that was voted on before the playoffs, right? Right, sure. Exactly.

21:37Rich Eisen:And truly, you could also say that Seattle's defense is no slouch. And to face them in back-to-back games, very few players are going to look very good to begin with. Not even Stafford's had to play Seattle in back-to-back games, you know? So you could potentially hang your hat on that. The issue is, moving forward, it looks like A.J. Brown's out for a while, correct? Like what's the latest there?

22:04Albert Breer:So he has a high ankle sprain. They're having tests. These are tricky. I mean, I feel like there's a handful of high profile ones every year. It's unfortunately, it's an unfortunate name for that injury. It's kind of like turf toe. You know what I mean? Like where you hear it and it's like, oh, it's an ankle sprain. It's like, well, this is actually ligament damage, you know? So it depends on the grade. It could be a two or three week injury. It could be an eight week injury. You know, you just don't know until you go through the MRI process. And he's going through that this morning. You know, we'll see.

22:37Albert Breer:We'll see what the results show. But obviously not great news for the Patriots.

22:41Rich Eisen:All right. What about Sam Darnold's health? What are you hearing about that, Albert?

22:45Albert Breer:Well, they feel like they dodged a bullet. I are still on the table there. But, you know, obviously the way the rules work now, that that can mean as few as four weeks out, you know. So I the sense I get and they don't have all the answers on this yet. He's another one. He had the CT scan at the hospital yesterday, the x-rays at the stadium. He'll have an MRI today. And, you know, like going through that, of course, like you'll get a better idea of where he's at. But they did, they do, and Mike McDonald said this after the game, feel like they dodged a bullet with the fact that it's not a hip fracture.

23:18Albert Breer:Hip injuries can be, you know, they're another one that's kind of tricky. So we'll see what the timetable is. But the good news is, like, that team really responded, you know, I think, you know, over the course of the game. I mean, I don't know if this was your view of it, but to me, like, you know, a defense is like just decimated in the secondary. No, even worry. No, Ty Okada, who is Kobe Bryant's replacement. Kobe Bryant's gone to Chicago. He's obviously hurt now, but he's gone to Chicago. Tariq Williams gone to Philly. You know, they have all that attrition on defense. They lose their quarterback on offense.

23:50Albert Breer:And I think this is a real tribute to the staff there. They got better as the game went on, I thought, you know, like they looked a little out of sorts early. by the third or fourth quarter they started to look like the Seahawks again which is really

24:01Rich Eisen:remarkable when you consider all the guys they were missing well you can't you know blame them for for much of the game they're sitting there thinking are we going to see Sam Donald under center again at all right here you know and um so at least they're getting some good news on that front and I was sitting there I was even texting you during the game like who would even be available right I mean just let's put that in the mind's eye of of of all because there, but for the grace of God, go any 30 of the other NFL teams that are still yet to play based on our time that we're having this conversation for week one, like who would even be available if the Seahawks had to go and look in that direction or anyone else has to.

24:42Albert Breer:I mean, the one that, that, that's kind of obvious to me would be, I mean, cause you, you know, you could look at Brian Flory and look at San Francisco and like, Oh, go go trade for Mac Jones. Like, I don't think the Niners are going to be trading.

24:56Rich Eisen:Right.

24:58Albert Breer:I like the one thing that's kind of the obvious one for me is Jimmy Garoppolo. Brian Flory was with him in San Francisco. So there's some carryover with the, with the system. Jimmy's obviously not with the team right now. So he's available. I just don't know what Jimmy's desire is to go out and play at this point. That's kind of the wild card, but he would be the one name where if you're looking for a guy who does have, you know, experience and background with the coaches on hand, obviously he's got a ton of experience in the division. he spent the last what would it be eight years I think right nine years in the division if you include his first year in San Francisco he knows the teams inside and out so he would be an obvious one you would turn to and I think that would probably be more if this winds up being a longer term absence for Sam Darnold.

25:44Rich Eisen:Albert Breer here the MMQB NFL podcast he's going to be recording that later on today and obviously the must read every single Monday in Sports Illustrated, the MMQB's Albert Breer here on the Rich Eisen Show. Where did Brock Bowers' injury come from, Albert?

26:01Albert Breer:It was, yeah, that's a wear and tear injury. And like having a meniscus, it's, I don't want to scare anybody here because it was a trim rather than a repair, which gets him back sooner rather than later. But there was some wear and tear stuff on him coming out of Georgia. And so, like, again, no alarm bells here, But, you know, the fact that this is because and that's why you you don't see with an injury like this, like these sometimes just pop up rather than like us actually getting to see something happening in a game where something happened at practice where practice was stopped. Like this is generally one of those things that is something that evolves over time.

26:43Albert Breer:Ironically enough, it's like the same sort of thing that Max Crosby has. Now, again, I'm not sounding that alarm because I'm, you know, I'm saying these things that like, you know, probably would make, you know, Raiders fans recoil to some degree. And so I'm not sounding that alarm yet. But, you know, this is the sort of wear and tear thing that you want to take care of. And so they take the more aggressive route and getting them back to the field, under the field and having the trim rather than the repair. But it does, you know, at least I think, you know, get your attention just as far as the amount of mileage he has just three years into his career.

27:21Rich Eisen:So trim, repair, like give folks an idea. What are you hearing? The first one is a game or two, but I mean, that's.

27:30Albert Breer:A trim, a repair would be like potentially season ending. A repair was what, like J.J. McCarthy is the one that like recently that I think of. Um, if you remember, he was hurt in August of 24 and like, there was that question, okay, does he need a tremor or repair? He needed a repair and that wound up taking him out for his entire rookie year. So, um, and that was part of like the whole deal with Max last year too. And, you know, he wound up having the repair after the season ended. Um, and that took, you know, took six months out of his off season. So if he did wind up having to have it repaired, it'd probably be season ending.

28:12Albert Breer:It's a relatively simple one to come back from when you have it trimmed.

28:17Rich Eisen:Okay. Albert Breer here on the Rich Eisen Show and Max Crosby. We're expecting to see him out there. Like, what's the scoop?

28:26Albert Breer:Yeah, I'm excited to see what he looks like. I know, you know, having talked to him a little bit this summer, you know, I feel like he really feels like he's got something to prove now and something to go out and show the world about who he is as a player and all of that. I give the Raiders credit in just being careful and prioritizing him over the course of the offseason. Is he going to deal with soreness and all of that stuff? Yeah. I think there will probably be some things that he'll deal with over the course of the year, but it seems to me like he's in a really good place to go and have a big year.

29:03Albert Breer:And again, it's like one of those things where, you know, the truth will come out over the next couple of years on whether or not, like, and we've seen these situations before. I mean, I'll give you this one. We were talking about A.J. Brown a second ago. Like A.J. Brown's knee was seen as degenerative in 20, what would have been, 2022. And that was why the Titans didn't sign him to an extension that year. That was why they traded him to the Eagles. And here we are four years later, and he's been traded for a first-round pick again. So, like, that one didn't quite work out the way that some of the doctors thought.

29:40Albert Breer:It's just kind of a moving target. And, you know, until we see the way a guy's career plays out, we won't know. And, you know, so I think with Crosby, that's sort of the situation you're dealing with. Were the Ravens doctors right? You know, we'll take a year or two to figure that out.

29:56Rich Eisen:Albert Breer here on the program. Tua getting the start because Penix isn't ready. What's your read of that and how long Tua has to prove himself or not much at all?

30:08Albert Breer:So I think it was August 22nd that Penix was cleared for 11 on 11. So at that point, the doctors had basically given the coaches the okay. If you want to dress them for a game, you can dress them for a game. Now, the problem was that, like, at that point, you are coming down to the cut down. So a lot of your focus is on that. And you've only got a couple of weeks left until a season. And this is his third, you know, this is his third ACL. You know, now the other two are to the other knee, but there's a cumulative effect to all of that. And so, you know, I think for the Falcons, a big piece of this was how do we get him in a position where he's ready to roll, like where we're not just throwing him out there.

30:52Albert Breer:So this was not Tua beating out Michael Penix. I think anybody who's looking at it that way probably doesn't have a great idea how the summer went in Atlanta and that it didn't look good with Tua at several points. I think I've brought this up to you before. But however, he is the guy who worked the most with the first team. And so for the time being, he's the best answer. My sense is they're going to try to keep, they're going to keep working on ramping Michael Penix up. They don't want to get into a situation where they're just throwing him out there, which if they made them the backup this week, they would be, they would be one hit away from doing that.

31:31Albert Breer:That's why Cooper rush is there. You know, he's an experienced backup who can at least keep his hands at 10 and two, if he's got to go on the game, you know, and then you give Penix the time that he needs to get to a point where, okay, like we're going to be able now to get a full assessment of him. during the 2026 season. Because I do think for Matt Ryan, Ian Cunningham, and Kevin Stefanski coming in, like that's really, and you're not going to say this to your team, but that's really a big part of what you want to get coming out of this year. The franchise, and it wasn't you personally, but the franchise itself invested the eighth overall pick.

32:07Albert Breer:You owe it to yourself to figure out whether or not he's the answer before you plan for what you're going to do in 2027 and beyond a quarterback.

32:15Rich Eisen:All right. Meanwhile, in division, Baker Mayfield says no contract if I don't have one by the start of training camp. Training camp starts. He plants a flag on the organization. It got a little bit awkward, to say the least. Then nobody talks about it. Lo and behold, there are talks being had. And this is the soundbite of the day on Wednesday for sure about secret, double secret negotiations. Check it out.

32:48Albert Breer:When it comes to the deadline, I told my agent, listen, I'm done talking about it. Unless something really changes, you can bring that to my attention. If you think I actually am willing to agree to it, then bring it to my attention. And apparently they engaged in talks last week that I did not know about until Monday about 6 p.m. So that was it caught both of us off guard when we were at dinner, just sitting down to eat. And the agent said, hey, I think I need to give you a call. I need to update you on something. So, yeah, when something like that comes about, you listen, it's this is awesome.

33:22Albert Breer:This is home for me. It's home for us. And really, really thankful.

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35:13Albert Breer:Yeah, I mean, Rich, this is my 22nd year covering the league. I've witnessed many a fake deadline, and this was a fake deadline. So I think the Buccaneers took the approach. And I think Baker set the deadline for a reason, right? So I think Baker genuinely did not want to have to deal with this once he buckled his chin strap at the start of training camp, right? Like he genuinely wanted to focus on the season ahead. And he and his agents looked at the Bucs' recent history and saw, well, they did Tristan Wirfs during training camp. They did Zion McCollum during training camp. They did Luke Gidecki during training camp.

35:52Albert Breer:They have a history of waiting until training camp to do these. They did Vita Bay this year. They have a history of waiting until training camp to do these. So let's see if we can get this off the table before we start training camp. That didn't work. But last week, amongst themselves, the Bucs revisited it and talked about it again. And this is something I had in my column on Monday. They were looking back at the negotiations. we weren't that far off. Like 55 million was always sort of the sweet spot. And that deadline was there. And so, yes, negotiations did stop at the time. But like the Bucks were always open to doing a deal the same way they did the deals with Werfs and Gadecki and McCollum and Vea.

36:41Albert Breer:And so, you know, they make the call. Are you open to talking again? I think it was last. It was probably a week ago today, maybe a week ago Wednesday, whatever it was, Wednesday, Thursday, somewhere in there. And at that point, it's pretty straightforward. The negotiating leverage on both sides with the franchise tag, two franchise tags over the next two years would be$110 million. $110 million divided by two is$55 million a year. It was always the sweet spot, and that's where they wound up landing. And I do think Baker's also being genuine about wanting to you know really plant his flag god you're gonna kill me over that one it's okay it's all right he did it on you it's all right i was like do i let this go out of my mouth you know we won't talk about clocks how about that i can make a deal with you you don't talk about flags i'm happy to

37:33Rich Eisen:talk about clocks there is one second left and i don't apologize for winning um anyway but he's

37:39Albert Breer:planted his flag in the tampa area he's planted his flag in the tampa area and um you know like And I think that was evidenced by the fact that, like previously, he and Emily had been based in Austin, Texas. A couple years ago, they moved their family to Tampa, Florida, as kind of this implicit, this is my team, I'm the guy, that sort of thing. And the contract is obviously affirmation of that.

38:05Rich Eisen:But in all seriousness, Albert, just to show you, I don't mind talking about clocks. Any aftermath within the NFL that you're hearing about that the league is reaching out to everybody to make sure everybody's buttoned up on end-of-game clock protocols and how it works and what's plugged into what and what's being seen and what's being used? Has that been sort of looked at?

38:25Albert Breer:I mean, Rich, you've worked in these broadcasts so you'd know more about it than me. Like, you know, like in your experience, like the amount of work that the engineers do with the league to try to get all of that stuff synced up and right. And I think one of the things that came up in conversation that was sort of interesting was the gambling aspect of it, you know? And like the importance on making sure that nothing looks like there could be any kind of funny business going on. And, you know, I think that's sort of where you come back to, I think it was Pereira that said it, I can't remember, but one of the guys said, and it might've been to Joel Klatt, I think it was Pereira who said something along the lines of like, well, yeah, like we're taught to go with the TV, with what everybody's seeing on TV.

39:08Albert Breer:Well, why is that? It's like because you don't want to create any impression that you're looking at something different or that there could be any kind of chicanery that happens in the background. And, you know, one of the things that got me about the tape that the Big Ten put out was why are we getting a different angle? Like the guy, the Western Michigan player's back was blocking our view of when the ball actually hit his hand. I thought NBC actually had a better angle on it, right? Like what we all saw on TV was actually a better angle than what the referees were getting. Why is that? And I'm not saying that to – No, I got it.

39:45Albert Breer:But I think the thing with it though is like you're just creating a problem for yourself when you do that. You know what I mean? Like you're creating a public issue for yourself when you do that. And I think the gambling aspect of it adds another layer where the gambling aspect of it is, well, if we're going to be in bed with all the different – you know, all the draft Kings, the, the, the fan duels and all like the Caesars, all that different stuff. Like we really have to be diligent of making sure that the public trust is in a really good place.

40:14Rich Eisen:All right. Two more for you, uh, turning the page to the rest of week one, first things first. Um, why didn't Aaron Donald get on the plane to Australia, Albert? I think, all right.

40:26Albert Breer:Like I'm, I'm, I'm going to give you my informed speculation on this. Like, I personally think it's because in the back of their heads, in the back of everybody's head, this is really about getting to the finish line. And this is really about getting to January and February in the best place you possibly can be. And I just think that there's a little bit of a risk or reward thing here where do we really want to put him through all of that on the front end of all of this when he's 35 years old and he hasn't played in two years? And, you know, they've been through this before with him. um you know as i told you a few weeks ago there's a template in place right like which you know sean mcveigh and and his staff less need all those guys went through it with with with donald when he was holding out in 2017 and 2018 where you know he didn't report to camp one year until the the the end of august the other year until the day before the season opener and they had to have a detailed plan on how to get him in a position to play at his very best and they went to the playoffs in the first of those years for the first time in forever, and they went to the Super Bowl the year after.

41:33Albert Breer:So they've got a good idea of what they're doing here. And again, I think this is something they can't say publicly as much, but you do want to get them to January and February because really, what are we talking about? Isn't that what this is all about? So I think it's about getting him to that finish line at the most full form you possibly can.

41:51Rich Eisen:And lastly, the week one new edition you're looking forward to seeing the most. You already saw A.J. Brown on Wednesday and unfortunately injury curtailed. But who are you looking forward to seeing in a week one game in their new spot to see if they are, in fact, the difference maker the most, Albert?

42:08Albert Breer:Can I give you two that are along the lines of A.J. Brown? There's two other receivers in the AFC. You know, it's D.J. Moore and Buffalo, and it's more than just D.J. Moore. I'm excited to see what that looks like globally. You know, I think there's a parallel with Joe Brady and Sean Payton. Sean Payton, if you remember, as the offensive coordinator in New York had play calling stripped and then in Dallas was dubbed Dennis the Menace by Bill Parcells because of all the crazy ideas. And we saw a different Sean Payton when he was out on his own in New Orleans. Nothing against Jim Fossil, nothing against Bill Parcells.

42:51Albert Breer:We just saw a different version of him. And I think nothing against Sean McDermott, who I think has done an unbelievable job there, did an unbelievable job there. But I really look at that like, I think we're going to see something different from Joe Brady in the way that the Bills are operating. And I'm excited to see that, especially when faced with the Houston defense on Sunday. And then I think Jalen Waddell in Denver, I think he's better than people think. You know, I think he's got a chance to have a, I'm not going to say all pro, but pro bowl type season for the Broncos. They think really highly of him.

43:23Albert Breer:And I do wonder, after what we've seen from Tua in Atlanta, is there some element of we're going to see another level of Jalen Waddell now and Sean Payton's offense? And I think in both cases, the cool part is both the Broncos and Bills have a lot of really nice complementary weapons. You know, Shakir and Kincaid and James Cook in Buffalo. And then, you know, in Denver, you know, you're talking about, you know, Cortland Sutton, Evan Ingram, Pat Bryant, RJ Harvey, with a guy who can dictate some coverage coming in, it's probably going to look a little bit different for both teams.

44:00Rich Eisen:And you'll see that right here on the Disney Family of Networks on Monday Night Football to wrap up week number one. Albert, thanks for the time. We have a good podcast recording. Everybody check out Albert's pod once it's out later on today. And we'll chat again soon. Thanks again, brother. All right. Thanks, Rich. Appreciate it. The one and only Albert Breer. Check out his stuff in Sports Illustrated right here on The Rich Eisen Show. And we'll take a quick break because we're up against it. If you will, the it is this commercial break.

44:30Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. Back here on The Rich Eisen Show, everybody, our friends at LinkedIn Hiring Pro would like to let you know. Hire right the first time with LinkedIn Hiring Pro. Get started by posting a free job at LinkedIn.com slash Eisen. Lots to talk about. Alex Smith coming up top of the next hour. We'll hit on the Seahawks. And there's Josh Jacobs news as well. John in Washington is not only calling in to try to play the Cowboys win-loss game, but he's telling our call screeners, whoever they are, how many times he's attempted. John, how are you, sir? I'm doing good, Rich, and how are you?

45:09Rich Eisen:What number of time attempt is this for you right now? Well, actually, the first time yesterday was 41 calls. Okay. Well, we're up against the time here, so that makes 42 here. John, we need one call. Okay. Here we go. Do you think we need one more? John in Washington, everybody. Here we go. Let's go fast. Sunday night football at the Giants. What happens? Cowboys. Yes. What happens when they welcome in the commanders? Cowboys again. 2-0 in Rio against the Ravens. I think the Ravens will win that one 2-1 now at Houston

45:46Albert Breer:I think the defense will be too much for Dak to handle so I think Houston will win that one too

45:51Rich Eisen:2-2, the Buccaneers at the Cowboys I think Dallas will win that one 3-2 at the Packers Revenge, Dallas will win that one 4-2 at the Eagles on Monday Night Football I'm going to give that to Philly That's now three. You're 4-3, home for the Cardinals. Arizona had us last year, but this year Dallas is going to win. 5-3 in Indy. Dallas again. 6-3, home for the Niners.

46:25Rich Eisen:I'm going to go Dallas. 7-3, home for the Titans. Dallas. 8-3 Thanksgiving against the Eagles. they're going to split so I'm going to go with Dallas on this one 9-3 at the Seahawks on a Monday night I think the Seahawks will win 9-4 coming off the bye at the Rams

46:47Albert Breer:yeah I think Garrett and Donald are going to tear Dallas up so I'm going to go with the Rams on that one

46:53Rich Eisen:9-5 home for the Jaguars I'm going to go with the Jaguars I'm sorry Cowboys 10-5 home for the Giants Dallas. 11-5 at Washington. Dallas again. All right. There you go. Thanks for your patience and your fandom, John. I appreciate it.

47:16Albert Breer:Oh, no problem. I'm just glad I made it. I feel like I just got the... Never mind. The golden ticket. I just am happy to make it.

47:26Rich Eisen:There you go. Thank you, John, in Washington. Thanks, John. He says the Cowboys are 12-5. That's a golden ticket. Is that right, TJ? TJ's first crack at it was 14-3, and then he's his second time around 10-7. So 12 wins. And then Hart Denton, the actor, had him 14-3, just like the People Samaritan in Texas and Irv had him 13-4. Sunday Night Football. John Harbaugh is ready for it. He had an interesting exchange with the New York media. We'll play that for you over the next two hours right here on The Rich Eisen Show, everybody. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app.

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