Hour 1: Rams Trade for Trent McDuffie, Kyler & Cardinals Split, plus Rip Hamilton

20:44Rich Eisen:And interestingly enough, You beat a Duke team in the national championship game, Elton Brand, Battier, McGetty, and the current president of basketball operations for your Detroit Pistons in Trajan Langton. And it looks like he's putting together the whole organization, a team to potentially win a title like you did back in the early aughts. What do you think of the current state of the Pistons, Rip?

21:12Richard Hamilton:And, Rich, you know it's always right. it's always right to poke the bear every now and the day and kind of throw it out there to Trajan that we beat him in the National Championship. You know I do that every now and then, right? You got to do that against the guy. But Trajan has done an excellent job with the team. I thought he did an amazing job constructing it. Also putting the right pieces around Cade Cunningham and hiring an amazing coach that I believe should be coach of the year in the NBA. But I think his demeanor, his approach, his willingness to actually ask the team and people around him what their thought process and when developing a team, that's big because we live in a time and day where a lot of people might say, hey, when they get them type of leadership roles, it's my way or the highway.

22:12Richard Hamilton:We're going to do what I say. And Trajan's not like that. He's always listening to the team and people around him that he's hired for their opinions. And I think that's what makes them special. And it trickles down to the players. Kate Cunningham, probably one of the best leaders that we have in this game. A guy that came in as the number one pick and understands the pressure that hey, coming to Detroit, we're used to winning. And we have a history of great point guards and how to manage a team where we need you to score and also distribute the ball which he does an amazing job with that his highs are not too high his lows ain't too low kind of reminds me of uh tayshaun prince tayshaun prince you can never see you know uh how he was going to react uh towards certain situations because of his demeanor but uh i thought that Trajan done a great job of putting this group together.

23:09Rich Eisen:What are you doing with Red Baron Pizza? The Red Baron ornament? What's happening here? Richard?

23:16Richard Hamilton:Oh man, I think you would like this, Rich. I know I would like it back in the day as a college kid. But I'm partnering with Red Baron Pizza. And people can sign up at redbaron.com slash professional fan. And what it is is we're paying a fan,$100 an hour, not just him, but three of his friends each$100 and also sending them unlimited amount of pizza to watch college basketball. It's something that I'm a part of and I think that every person, regardless of what age, will want to be a part of it because we're so used, I know you, Rich, and myself, we're so used to pulling up to somebody's house or to watch a game and they're saying hey everybody got a picture of ten dollars uh for a pizza or three dollars for a pizza this is an opportunity to get paid and to

24:13Rich Eisen:eat some of the best pizza in the world well my son who you watched run the four by 400 that day uh richard um isn't a big college basketball fan but he might take the pizza 17 and a hundred dollars an hour to watch it and eat pizza this is the greatest deal i've ever heard of i'm signing it up right now.

24:31Richard Hamilton:By the way, TJ, you might leave your house to come up to our house to watch all this. I could just do it at my house. That's right.

24:37Rich Eisen:This is an offer we can't refuse. My goodness gracious. This is pretty amazing.

24:43Richard Hamilton:And you got to March 12th to sign up. That's important. Make sure to tell everybody to spam it. Spam it as much as possible because this is a great opportunity.

24:53Rich Eisen:I would say so. My goodness gracious. Before I let you go, because I know you've got other places to be, I need your favorite Rasheed Wallace story, Richard Hamilton. Your favorite Rasheed Wallace story, please. Ladies and gentlemen.

25:10Richard Hamilton:Rich, this is hard on this platform right now. You know Rasheed, everything is rated R.

25:24Richard Hamilton:To be 100 % honest with you, maybe I need to come on a show where we have more time We can absolutely discuss that because it's more than one story. And we got to make sure we have the proper person beeping a lot of the language out when I tell that story. Okay. No doubt. Rip, I got a quick question about Rashid. I'm a huge pro wrestling fan. And right now wrestling belts are like the big thing. She was the first player I saw carrying around a pro wrestling belt. Do you remember those days? And do you remember thinking, what are you up to? because nobody was doing it at the time when Sheed started rocking the belt.

26:01Richard Hamilton:Oh, yeah, Sheed is a pioneer of a lot of things. I mean, even when you hear guys or announcers always say, the ball don't lie, that's Sheed right there. He was the one that started that. But, yes, no, it was something cool and fun. You know, once we won the championship, he was like, hey, I'm going to buy everybody WWF World Championship belts. You know, that's something that we can wear it around. We can flaunt it. We can bring it to arenas. I think his favorite wrestler was Hacksaw Jim Duggan, one that used to come with the big two-by-four. So it was something that he was inspired of. And now you see guys and teams do it all the time.

26:49Richard Hamilton:So big shots out to my guy's sheet, even though he can be an asshole every time. It was a good idea.

26:59Rich Eisen:That was safe for work right to the end, man. But you know how to beat the buzzer. You know how to do it. Take care of yourself, Rip. I will reach out to you, and I will take you up on that offer to come in here. I'd love to see you. Yes, sir. You got it. That's Richard Hamilton, everybody, courtesy of Red Baron Pizza. make sure you go to that website and spam it so you can get$100 an hour in pizza to watch college basketball. I mean, I'd be watching anyway. I might be cooking the Red Baron. Something else. Off he goes.

27:33Richard Hamilton:He was the single hardest player to deal with that I've ever dealt with in the NBA.

27:38Rich Eisen:Rasheed Wallace? What happened?

27:40Richard Hamilton:He just was really tough to interview. He didn't like to engage. I remember having to go to Pan Pacific Park. The Pistons were in, I think, playing a series with the Lakers the year before they defeated the Lakers in the finals. And they were practicing out of Pan Pacific like a rec league. And, man, there were some players that you had to gird yourself up to go interview because he was very combative with the media. And he was a tough one.

28:12Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, you just heard the word that Rip used. Yeah, I didn't use that on Disney+. And they won a championship together. Yep. Yeah, I mean, Chauncey Billups was the MVP of that NBA Finals. They beat the Shaq Kobe Lakers in five.

28:30Richard Hamilton:That was after the three-peat.

28:31Rich Eisen:Yep. The three-peat was over, right?

28:33Richard Hamilton:That was when we said that this is the end of the era.

28:36Rich Eisen:Right. And it was.

28:37Richard Hamilton:It was.

28:38Rich Eisen:And then they, you know, did it again. But he averaged 21.4 points in the Finals, Rip Hamilton. and there were three coaches on the team, not named Larry Brown. Chauncey Billups, Hubert Davis, and Darvin Hamm. Oh, right. Were all on those Pistons, and they eventually would coach in the NBA. So 844-204-RICH is the number to dial here on the program. Let's take a call before we take a break here. We're at Rahsaan in Arizona, where Kyler Murray is no longer going to be the QB1. Take it away, Rahsaan. You there? Yeah, I'm here. What's up, Rich? How are you? I'm good, man.

29:20Richard Hamilton:I'm good. I'm making some breakfast. Hey, so Kyler Murray being released, and I'm glad Chris Brockman's not there for me to agree with him, but he's right about these teams needing to kind of chill out with these extensions. because Kyra Murray, Tua, I'm thinking about, you know, even Trevor Lawrence and Dak Prescott, like the return on investment is not worth it. And I'm just thinking, like, the only thing I can think of is you have to blame the Browns for that with that Deshaun Watson contract because you're just seeing these teams shoot themselves on the foot, signing these quarterbacks that can't take them to the Super Bowl or do a couple games in the playoffs is, it sucks to watch.

30:03You know, I'm not an Arizona Cardinals fan, but like it just sucks to see these teams shoot themselves in the foot, signing these quarterbacks that just don't give them a return on investment.

30:13Richard Hamilton:It's not the quarterback's fault either. It's just that that's just my take.

30:18Rich Eisen:And I'm glad Brockman's not here to look at me and basically go on, you know, that he wants to be your new BFF. To be honest with you, thanks for the call, Rahsaan. Just it's a perfect conversation to have right now, which we will in Brockman's absence, because Chris is always saying that teams should look at somebody like Kyler Murray and say, despite us choosing you first overall. Right. Despite not only choosing you first overall, but we're bouncing the quarterback that we drafted in the first round the year before. and Josh Rosen. We're just going to completely reverse course. We're going to take you, and we're going to go into battle with you, and we're going to see three years.

31:12Rich Eisen:Again, don't forget, three years of touchdowns of 20 as a rookie, 26 in his second year, and 24 in his third year. In his second year in the league, he damn near threw for 4 ,000 yards. now the interceptions in each of those years were double digit as well and the head scratchers was also front and center but in the 2021 season they made the playoffs and you're supposed to after three years of being in the league now at a quarterback spot you either sign your guy long term or you let him play his fourth year all pissed off and have a fifth-year option is your back pocket. And that's your choices.

32:03Rich Eisen:And then when it's time to actually give the kid a fifth-year option or not, do you go ahead and also re-sign him as well? Because you've seen enough to say, we like you in the building, we like you in our playbook, we like you here. We've seen enough to bet on the that come here. And Chris is like, use your two eyes. Take a look. You keep hitting your head on the ceiling for the first three years, four years. We're out of time for developing. I'd rather start again with someone else than pay you top of the market value. Right now. And they did it with Kyler Murray in Arizona. They did it with Justin Herbert in Los Angeles, where he still hasn't won a playoff game.

33:01Rich Eisen:They did it with Trevor Lawrence in Jacksonville. They did it with Tua in Miami.

33:12Rich Eisen:And they did it with Carson Wentz in Philadelphia. I mean, we could go on and on and on and on. But they did it with Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City. They did it with Burrow in Cincinnati. They did it with Lamar in Baltimore. They did it with Josh Allen in Buffalo. There are some that work out and there are others that don't. And Chris says, who is going to be the first team in the NFL to just tap out of their first round drafted quarterback or their first overall drafted quarterback and say, no more contracts for you. We're starting from scratch. And I keep telling them there won't be one. And I have an interesting list for you here because I asked NFL research, NFL Network Research for some help.

33:55Rich Eisen:When Kyler Murray got cut, he's going to get cut, released. 2019 first overall pick, cut in 2026 after being re-signed to a contract in 2022. I asked NFL Network Research, who are the last, give me other first overall picks cut by the team that drafted him. How rare is that? The last one to be cut by the team that drafted him was Eric Fisher, the left tackle of the Chiefs, who was drafted first overall in 2013, signed an extension in 2016, but released before the last season of that extension. You're like, all right, give me some other names. Who are some quarterbacks? The only other first overall pick since 2000 to be released by their drafted teams.

34:47Rich Eisen:Remember Courtney Brown? Yeah, from Penn State. He's not a quarterback, but he got released before the end of his rookie contract. Here are the other ones. Jamarcus Russell released before the end of his rookie contract. David Carr released before the end of his rookie contract. Cam Newton was released by Carolina after signing an extension. And then there's Michael Vick, who we all know why he got released in Atlanta. You know who's also on this list of first overall drafted quarterbacks cut by the team that drafted him? Peyton Manning. Right. You forget about it. Orlando Pace was cut by the Rams.

35:33Rich Eisen:Bruce Smith got cut by the Bills in 2000 after being first overall in 85. Yeah, he put in some work. And then there's the motherlode here as well. Other than Tim, other than Jamarcus Russell. Tim Couch got released by the Browns in 2004 before the end of his rookie contract. That's how rare this is. It's a rarity what we're seeing because teams do not cut first overall drafted quarterbacks. And certainly they don't usually cut them after giving them a monster contract just three years in, three seasons in, and eating a cat pit of just about 40 million bucks. But when the cap's now$300 million, you're going to start seeing stuff like this.

36:18Rich Eisen:And I think teams are going to be more apt to sign the guys to a long-term deal and say, we'll just eat it if it doesn't work out two, three years in. The problem is, though, is you know who also eats it is the general manager who gives that contract and the coach who's coaching the quarterback. It's a wild game. It sure is. But I just wanted to bring that up since the caller just brings him, like, Brockman's like, don't give Kyler Murray a contract. Take a look. Chris hates, you know, when you say the next man up thing, and that really bugs him because you shouldn't just get a contract just because it's your time or, you know.

36:53Rich Eisen:Right. And so what you said, why are the Giants giving Daniel Jones a long-term deal? It's only going to be a mistake. He was right about that. Guess who's now got the transition tag in his new spot for almost as much money as the Giants signed him for long-term. We'll talk about that next right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Albert Breer coming up in hour number two as well. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Just hang out with me, TJ Suze, and Jay Feli coming up.

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39:06Rich Eisen:844-204-RICH, number to dial back here on the Rich Eisen Show here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app and ESPN Radio. Just had a nice chat with Richard Hamilton, who was holding a basketball while talking on camera. Does that mean all UConn champions hold a basketball when talking on camera since Renee Montgomery do that on women's sports now? She holds a gazazzled. Right. I didn't see a bedazzled basketball.

39:34Richard Hamilton:We can get Rip one if he wants.

39:35Rich Eisen:We can get him. If he's going to give our son$100 in free pizza to watch basketball. Let me ask you a question. He didn't say he was going to do that. Do we really want that? No.

39:47Richard Hamilton:That's the real question. No, but we can give him a bedazzled basketball.

39:50Rich Eisen:Why not?

39:51Richard Hamilton:Maybe it's a UConn thing.

39:52Rich Eisen:It could be a UConn championship thing. You never know. So you wanted to chime in on what we were just talking about?

39:59Richard Hamilton:I mean, I know that I'm from New England, so maybe I'm going to lean with Brockman, but I think he has a really good point. I don't understand the pushback on this. I think if you haven't played to your potential as a quarterback, what are you re-signing for other than maybe a concern about having continuity with somebody who understands the system, but you're looking at some players who didn't play well enough to continue on, And at what point do you cut them and take a flyer on somebody new that might come in? Because we saw that to a degree with Tua. And we definitely saw that with Kyler Murray.

40:34Richard Hamilton:And I think that I actually side with Brockman in this one.

40:37Rich Eisen:Well, the issue is, again, is they brought in a new head coach from Kingsbury to Jonathan Gannon. And that's when things began to go a little sideways with Murray, don't you think? I don't know what happened there, but you got enough of a sense that something was up and you just aren't going to see too many spots where the coach stays the same and the general manager stays the same and the quarterback doesn't when they all come in and draft the kid and Kyler Murray. And they made the playoffs and they give him a contract because it's that time. I can't blame the Cardinals for giving him the contract.

41:24Rich Eisen:You could sit here and go, Tua had a bunch of concussions, so why would they pay him all that money? And if they're about to in Miami get out from under Tua, it's because they've changed the coach there. The reason why Mike McDaniel was brought in in Miami is he had a plan for Tua. And there were times when that plan for Tua was a smash success. I remember that back-to-back I did in Germany with Chiefs, Dolphins, and Patriots, Colts. Two games in Frankfurt, Germany, back-to-back weeks. We had McDaniel and Tua, and that was, at the time, the personification of healthy quarterback relationship. Where new coach comes in and tells kid, I gotcha.

42:17Rich Eisen:You know, the previous coach here in Miami, Brian Flores was swapping you out for Ryan Fitzpatrick. And your head's turned around and you're like, I'm not in Alabama anymore. What the hell happened to me? Like a house landed on top of me. I'm not in Alabama anymore. I got you. I got your plan. And there were times when McDaniel came in and we were thinking he's going to get rid of Tua. Don't you remember that? The first thing about him, we were just kind of like he's. no he's got a plan for him and Tyreek Hill comes in and starts saying he throws the ball better than than Mahomes and we're all like what are you talking about and things started to click and the both guys in our broadcast meeting were telling stories about each other made both we were all crying like Stacey Dales is in tears we're all we're all like wow Tua's talking about how you know McDaniel sits down next to me and uh we go over stuff and we're They're going to each other's houses and whatever.

43:18Rich Eisen:And then the next week, we see Mac Jones and New England. And Mac was essentially saying, you know, I call my old Alabama teammate Tua up. And he's telling me everything that he's got going on with his coach. And when he was done sort of basically telling the entire broadcast group, I need a hug. we were basically saying this is not working out with Mac and Belichick at all like we we wanted to hug Mac Jones before we left the room and now Max is on two teams later you see he's doing well in in in San Francisco but this is all brought up to say is that when you bring in a coach who's like I got you I got you and it works to a point where you see some success not ultimate success and then the ultimate success, you make the playoffs in a freezer bowl in Kansas City, but your quarterback's not there because his concussion problem has him knocked out.

44:21Rich Eisen:You're sitting there thinking, we have this. We have this. Coach says, I got it. General manager says, I got it. You go to the owner and say, we want to pay all this money, and the owner's probably going to sit there and Steven Ross go, that's what I hired you to do. You believe in it. Let's do it. Then it doesn't happen. General manager gets fired. Coach gets fired. So what do you do? You just tell Tua we're not doing it. And then you watch him go and win a Super Bowl somewhere else. Just take a look at what's happening in Minnesota right now. Whatever's going on in Minnesota with J.J. McCarthy and that quarterback room.

45:01Rich Eisen:And the general manager just got swapped out. they can all say it's not the case publicly and maybe even privately. But whatever's boiling there in Minnesota, don't you think a lid got put on that boiling pot by Sam Donald's Super Bowl championship? Don't you think? A lid got put on top of it? On top of this boiling pot of whatever's going on in Minnesota, there was a lid that just got put on top of it by Sam Donald winning a Super Bowl. somewhere else making it even hotter for every harder yeah so my my my point is is you can't use what's happening down the road to say you shouldn't have done it at the time because when you're living it you just make your bet and you believe in it certainly if you're the coach who's basically got the job saying i got it and the general manager hired the coach because he said I got it.

46:01Rich Eisen:And then the quarterback doesn't have it and everybody gets fired. Or Miami could have said what? We're going back into the, we're not, we'll just let you go. We'll go back in the draft. Yeah. Or we'll get Sam Donald when he's ready to win or Malik Willis.

46:17Richard Hamilton:I mean, to go with your analogy, it's about the spices you put in the pot before you put the lid on, right? You have to have the right relationship, the right coaches, the right quarterbacks, coaches. Maybe they're just, maybe there just isn't the right seasoning there.

46:30Rich Eisen:not that i cook but i was like do i say what i'm thinking oh definitely not if you want to live do i say what i'm thinking or do i wait for my wife to read my mind and say it no that that no but i totally understand what you're saying i'm i'm just pointing out that at the time with the arizona cardinals with kyler murray they just made the playoffs cliff kingsbury is the guy who's like I had him in college. I've known him since he was in high school. We got this until he didn't. Injuries played a little role with Murray. New coach comes in, and that coach isn't there anymore. That's why the NFL stands for Not For Long, right?

47:15Rich Eisen:Albert Breer coming up in hour two. The Ridge Eisen Show Podcast.

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