In short
Week 15/16 NFL takeaways focused on the Steelers eliminating the Dolphins from playoff contention, Aaron Rodgers’ resurgence, and broader playoff/division outlooks; includes Mark Schlereth’s analysis and a brief discussion of the 2025 Chiefs’ playoff exit and Philip Rivers’ comeback mindset.
Guests (backgrounds)
Mark Schlereth, FOX Sports NFL analyst and former NFL player (3-time Super Bowl champion); Frank Caliendo, comedian and impressionist; Charlie Behrens, comedian and Packers fan.
Key claims
Steelers are one game ahead of the Ravens and have a strong playoff path even without T.J. Watt (only their second win in 13 when he’s out). Rodgers’ accuracy and red-zone efficiency are driving wins; Steelers’ remaining schedule is favorable. Dolphins’ season collapse is tied to quarterback interceptions (15 total) and Tua’s cold-weather struggles. Schlereth argues the NFL has more arm talent but fewer proven quarterbacks, praising Rivers’ “stare fear down” approach.
Notable examples
Steelers’ two tight ends scoring rushing TDs (Hayward and Jonnu Smith); Rodgers’ 27 throws with only four incompletions vs Miami; Schlereth cites Broncos’ recent offensive turnaround and Jaguars’ run-game identity under Liam Cohen.
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0:04 to 0:26
Rich discusses the recent NFL games, including the Steelers and Dolphins matchup.
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Week 15 NFL Recap and Analysis
1:27 to 3:15
Rich discusses the recent NFL games, including the Steelers and Dolphins matchup.
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Aaron Rodgers and Packers Performance
3:15 to 6:15
Analysis of Aaron Rodgers' performance and the Packers' playoff hopes.
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Steelers' Defense and Team Dynamics
6:15 to 8:49
Discussion on the Steelers' defense without T.J. Watt and team dynamics.
“You know, you'd rather be on a tear since week four than week 14.”
Rodgers' Cast-Off Players and Future
8:49 to 14:00
Rich highlights Rodgers' remarks on cast-off players and their impact.
“Remember when Jay Cutler would go out to that wide receiver and he would just stand there?”
Steelers Clinch Winning Record
14:00 to 16:48
Discussion on the Steelers' performance and playoff potential.
“and the Steelers win this game, hey, Steeler fans, guess what you get to say?”
Congratulations to Sean McVay
16:48 to 19:11
Celebrating Sean McVay's new baby and discussing Rams' strategies.
“I'll say these words I've never said before.”
Mark Schlereth on NFL Quarterbacks
21:27 to 24:26
Mark Schlereth discusses quarterback performances and coaching strategies.
“Mark Schlereth, NFL on Fox analyst here.”
Analyzing the Broncos and Jaguars
24:26 to 28:00
Analyzing the Broncos' recent performance and the rise of the Jaguars.
“And now he's going to take on the 49ers.”
The Dual Nature of Fear in Coaching
28:00 to 29:20
Exploration of the two types of fear that motivate players and their relation to coaching success.
“There's a biblical sense to the word fear as well.”
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NFC North Predictions with Mark Schlereth
29:20 to 32:20
Mark Schlereth discusses the NFC North standings, teams' performances, and playoff predictions.
“Fox has got a big doubleheader coming up this weekend where the Packers and the Bears face each other again.”
Previewing Upcoming NFL Matchups
32:20 to 36:20
Discussion on the upcoming matchups in the NFC South, including team dynamics and player performances.
“Hyde nature of the Carolina Panthers is just really interesting to me.”
Eulogizing the Kansas City Chiefs
36:20 to 38:10
Mark Schlereth reflects on the Kansas City Chiefs' potential demise from the playoffs and their past success.
“You want 50 % of the people to love you and 50 % of the people to hate your guts.”
Mark Schlereth's Take on the Chiefs' Legacy
38:10 to 41:20
A discussion on the impact of the Chiefs' absence from the playoffs and the dynamics of team legacy.
“We will miss them on a Sunday, late Sunday.”
Mark Schlereth's Take on the Chiefs' Legacy
41:31 to 41:57
A discussion on the impact of the Chiefs' absence from the playoffs and the dynamics of team legacy.
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Fun with Frank Caliendo and Dolphins' Struggles
42:10 to 43:13
The hosts discuss Frank Caliendo's visit and the struggles of the Miami Dolphins.
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Dolphins' Season Analysis and Key Players
43:13 to 44:29
Analysis of the Dolphins' performance and key players like Tua and Jalen Phillips.
“I still can't believe other teams in the NFL didn't say we can do better than that.”
Tua's Cold Weather Challenges and Playoff Implications
44:29 to 47:22
A discussion on Tua's performance in cold weather and its implications for the Dolphins' playoff chances.
“You look at his contract and his dead cap number, and he is not going anywhere.”
Tua's Cold Weather Challenges and Playoff Implications
47:24 to 47:50
A discussion on Tua's performance in cold weather and its implications for the Dolphins' playoff chances.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Rich Eisen:This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome? That's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required. Compatibility and availability varies 18+. This Father's Day, do more with Dad and spend less with low prices guaranteed at The Home Depot. Get him fired up with a new grill and accessories, like the Nexgrill 5 burner for just$299 so you can spend more time together while he becomes the grill master he was always meant to be.
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1:22Rich Eisen:Now, on with the show. Good Lord, do I love being right around here. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Touchdown, A.J. Brown! Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Relax. And that's what the Eagles did. The pieces are still there. Today's guests. Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Schlereth. Comedian Frank Caliendo. Comedian Charlie Behrens. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Oh, baby, what a fun show. we have in store for you today here on Disney Plus, the ESPN app and ESPN radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Hello, Sirius XM channel 80 audience. We love being on the ESPN radio channel on satellite as well.
2:12Rich Eisen:We say hello to your podcast folk out there who listen to this show, whatever you want, all three hours taking in our podcast. If you're a subscriber, thank you. Same thing on our YouTube channel, youtube.com slash rich eyes and show. Nobody makes me laugh harder when he comes on this show than Frank Caliendo, and he's back in hour number two. Charlie Burns, a comedian that we have not had on. He's a Packer fan. We'll, I guess, let the umbrella be his smile after last week's loss against the Denver Broncos. He's here in studio in hour number three. Mark Schlereth to talk about everything we just witnessed in week 15.
2:47Rich Eisen:He is calling Bucs and Panthers on Fox later this weekend, One of the big Week 16 games that does kick off on Thursday night on Prime Video with the Rams and the Seahawks. Rubbers beginning to meet the road as the Packers are also playing the Bears this weekend. A lot to talk about with you at 844-204-RICH is always the number to dial to have a chat with us on this Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday program. The Overreaction Monday podcast is still out there for everybody to take in wherever you get your podcasts or certainly on our YouTube channel. youtube.com slash rich eyes and show all the business of this show is handled good to see you over there christopher brockman rich good morning mike ed is in these nuts mike del tuffo is here tj jefferson long enough time with me giving my spiel to start the program for you to light the candle good to see you sir what up though what up yeah yeah detroit's got a big game uh or two or three over the final uh few weeks of this season i've got playoff clinching scenarios in my right hand we'll get to all of that the nfl uh front office folks who are in charge of figuring out what needs to happen for people to clinch or maybe be eliminated that's all done we'll hit that on this program 844-204-RICH as you know is always the number to dial if i'm going to tell the eastern part of pennsylvania football fans to relax and i've been doing that to philadelphia eagles fans for weeks now um i guess i should turn attention to the team that's in the western side of the state that actually employs the quarterback who employed that phrase for Packers fans back in the day and Aaron Rodgers who told fans to R-E-L-A-X and he was asked that question a couple of weeks ago when the Steelers were getting pounded by the Chargers on a Sunday night back in let me get this correct week 10 then we saw what happened against Chicago when Rodgers couldn't answer the bell in a game that you know he wanted to answer the bell with his left hand, left wrist having a fracture in it.
4:50Rich Eisen:Then we saw what happened against the Buffalo Bills. Joey Bosa making him look like he had just come from Kevin's house and home alone. Like that's what was going down and Rogers was saying, I don't need to tell him to relax. We're good. And then they go into Baltimore and beat the Ravens. And then they follow that one up with again win last night on Monday Night Football to wrap up week 15 against the Miami Dolphins and eliminate the Miami Dolphins who had won four games in a row from playoff competition. The Dolphins are now out. And the Steelers are now one game above the Ravens entering the final three games of this season.
5:36Rich Eisen:And that's if I'm saying to the Eagles fans, A, all you need to do is win your division and get a home playoff game and see what happens. I'll say the same thing to Steelers fans now. And I know they might not be sitting here saying, I'm less confident than you, Rich. You're always caping for Tomlin. We've seen this movie before. They're looking at the Broncos who are above them in the standings and are on a tear since week four, as opposed to being on a tear since saying losing in week 14. or winning, I guess, in week 14 at Baltimore. You know, you'd rather be on a tear since week four than week 14.
6:21Rich Eisen:But again, you've got to catch fire at the right time. Once upon a time, Big Ben went from a six seed to a Super Bowl winner. And what you could see out of Rodgers, in the same way that, you know, Shane Steichen said, hey, this 44-year-old Phillip Rivers didn't forget how to throw the football, Nor has this 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers. The ball still flies out of his hands, man. And certainly in the cold, which is what you need. Certainly in a way that it didn't with Tua. Tua's interception last night, as soon as it left his hand, Cooper turned to me and said, that's intercepted. A 14-year-old sitting on his Los Angeles couch was saying, that's going to be intercepted.
7:01Rich Eisen:Rodgers is just not. Last night, Aaron Rodgers threw two touchdown passes in a game again this year. He missed on only four of his 27 throws for 224 yards, a passer rating just south of 130. Man. And it was career game 166 with two or more passing touchdowns. That's good for third all-time now, broke a tie with Peyton Manning. he is seven games behind Drew Brees. I don't want to even do the math because he's that far behind. Tom Brady's the only one above 200 such games. 204 for Tom.
7:46Rich Eisen:And you just get a little bit of running here from Jalen Warren and get a little bit of running here from Kenneth Gainwell. Yeah, DK's picking it up. And that's what you need. And throw it to your wagon of a tight end. Man, Darnell Washington gets the football in his hands, and I sit up and I'm like, let's watch the act come in. Let's see this guy just truck people. How come they don't run the tush push with him? I know they're doing it with Haywards. I'll answer what a brother, right? Cooper said the same thing to me. And I said, because I think Connor Hayward is closer to the ground to get the snap.
8:21Rich Eisen:Okay. Taking the snaps is not easy, right? No. When you're 6 '9", or whatever. And it's not as if Washington's not used in that formation. You can use him to push. You know, because I will never forget Darnell Washington at the combine. He picked up Fred the sled, which is what Daniel Jeremiah refers to, that sled. He used it like a Tonka truck toy. So you're using him to push. It's not a bad idea. And then, of course, Rogers stands back there with his hands in his pockets. He's doing Leo. He's doing Rip Dalton. There it is, first down. Remember when Jay Cutler would go out to that wide receiver and he would just stand there?
8:59Rich Eisen:That's pretty much what Rogers is doing. I have nothing to do here except, you know. I have nothing to add. Yeah, Aikman had some fun with that one last night. Guys, at one point, though, they're going to snap him the ball because everyone's just thinking he's standing. There's going to be a trick play with that. So you are what you are, which is a first-place team having won two in a row. And by the way, winning without TJ Watt is not what the Steelers normally do. It's only their second win in 13 games with TJ Watt out due to injury. They're now 2-11. since 2017, including the playoffs without TJ Watt.
9:34Rich Eisen:So it's all working for the Steelers right now, who are one in front of the Ravens, already having one in their back pocket with three to go. And Mike Tomlin was asked about winning back-to-back games for the first time in some time, and his answer is classic. I know you're always talking about stacking wins, but that was your first back-to-back since October. It's that time of year. It doesn't need to be said. The importance of playing well in December. Do you feel like your team's getting there? You know, see you next week. Keep watching. Straight out of time. Let's talk about the defense, Mike.
10:10Rich Eisen:What did you think about that defense that won without T.J. Watt for only the second time in 13 tries? We were at less than full strength, but everybody is. You know, and we embrace that component of it. We believe in the strength of the pack, and a lot of guys stepped up certainly and made that a truism. Made that a truism. You know, it's also a truism is that Rodgers is throwing and playing with a bunch of guys that he's he has thrown to before in Marquez Valdez Scantling and others who are just joining the crew in recent days like Thielen. And yes, I think was signed yesterday morning and he scored a touchdown.
10:52Rich Eisen:and Rodgers talked about that group and he's kind of using it as a rallying cry now about how they're coming together as a team when it matters the most. That's kind of what I said after the game. There's some cast-offs if you look at our roster, which makes it really special. You know, Kenny Gainwell signed a next-to-nothing contract. You know, Connor Hayward, an afterthought, had a touchdown run. you know Marquez been on a couple teams Adam Thielen got cut Samuel was on the street for a long time so says a lot about the character of the guys we brought in do you consider yourself one of those cast offs too no I'm not a cast off great follow up by the way that is a really good follow up great follow up I like his answer yeah I'm not I'm a first ballot Hall of Famer I'm not a cast off well I mean he well no no listen the Jets definitely cast him off cast him off yeah And I thought that's where he was going.
11:51Rich Eisen:A great follow-up. I would have asked the same thing. Are you considering Yusuf Fandam? I'm a first ballot in the Hall of Famer. The cast-offs are the ones who are playing for the Jets and the Giants right now. Not me. No. He is playing. I understand the matter. Say that again? Al Lazar just got released by the Jets. I wonder if. Guess what? Here, coach. If he's going to be in Pittsburgh. I mean, people talk about them making moves, right? These aren't like sexy moves that they're making, but these are veteran receivers, man, who know how to ball. I know Bills fans will be like, why aren't we in the mix?
12:25Rich Eisen:They did get Brandon Cooks. We're waiting to see if he's going to, right now, at least they got a cook who's cooking. Rodgers also had this to say about, you know, the offense and moving forward here. How much do we expect from this offense? You guys can expect whatever the hell you want. We haven't been the most dynamic, explosive offense this season, but I feel like we've been good in the red zone. I don't know where we're at league-wide, but we've got to be in the upper half at minimum, I would assume. And we've had stretches where we've played good football. I think tonight was the first time we had complementary football in all three phases, and that's the standard.
13:10So we're going to try and meet that next week in Detroit,
13:14Rich Eisen:or this week in Detroit. Can confirm for Rodgers. The Steelers are currently, where are we right here? It looks like they're tied for third in red zone offense.
13:32So, and then Detroit.
13:34Rich Eisen:Oh, baby. Rodgers, one last shot at the NFC North in Detroit, where he reigns Hail Marys on that franchise, as you know. That's going to be an awesome Week 16 game. Absolutely monumental for the Lions having a chance to move forward. And the Steelers now, according to NextGenStats, have a 61 % chance to make the playoffs. Oh, by the way, if Rodgers wins in Detroit and the Steelers win this game, hey, Steeler fans, guess what you get to say? We just clinched a winning record. Once again. Get to say that. Yeah, I don't think so. But right back where they've always been. We're not going to apologize for winning.
14:17Rich Eisen:9 and 8. But you know what? This offense isn't sexy, right? It's not. It's not. I believe I saw Matthew Berry called the fantasy results of last night's offense from the Steelers, an Arthur Smith fantasy special. Because I've got a did you know. Mike, hit it, please. Hey. Both Conor Hayward and Jonu Smith scored a rushing touchdown in week 15. Did you know it's the first time in NFL history two different tight ends scored a rushing touchdown in the same game. I mean, it's never happened before. last night. If that doesn't reek of Arthur Smith, I don't know what does. I felt like we were watching history last night.
15:09Rich Eisen:Didn't know we actually were, but that's what it felt like. That's it. It felt historical. Mike Tommen. That's what you felt? I felt other things. Mike Tommen has not lost a home game on Monday Night Football. That's now 23 straight Monday Night Football wins to the Steelers at home. Chuck Gould was the last time the Steelers lost a Monday Night Home Game. Tommen's 12-0 in home games on Monday Night Football. They don't have one the rest of the way. But the rest of the way, they do have, according to NextGenStats, the ninth easiest remaining strength of schedule. They're at Detroit, they're at Cleveland, and home for Baltimore.
15:41Rich Eisen:Steelers look like they're, well, let's put it this way, they're certainly in line to win, outwin enough, and they will win the AFC North and probably be the four seed and host a playoff game against whoever's the five seed, Chargers, Bills, Texans are your candidates at present right now. So there's that. This is dope. It sure is. I don't know what's happening. Rodgers in a home playoff game again in the cold this time for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Sign me up. Expect whatever the hell you want as he basically just said. So there's all of that. We'll talk about the Dolphins ends of things on this program as we move along on this overreaction Monday on a Tuesday.
16:32Rich Eisen:We've got the playoff clinching scenarios. And we've got Mark Schlereth coming up next right here on the Rich Eisen Show. He's calling Bucs and Panthers. We haven't spoken to him in a couple weeks. We have three weeks in the NFL season to go. And by the way, before we go to break, I'll say these words I've never said before. Mazel tov to Sean McVay. He's got a bouncing baby boy. Two of them now. Well done. Christian McVay, congratulations to the McVay family. That's what he's got going on. Love it. There we go. Delivered. Rams transactions. Well done. Delivered. Christian Alexander McVay. And that's all he's got to do is welcome in a second child.
17:17Rich Eisen:Veronica delivering. And McVay having a game plan for the Seattle Seahawks in a short week. Is that what we got? new fatherhood what else is going on in the house huh I mean I don't know can Puka be a doula Puka Nadula what do you think you like Puka Nadula I just came up with that Puka Nadula I mean the guy can do everything he can one thing you know he's not going to do is drop the child he'll hold on to that child in traffic even if he gets run over by the dog oh my goodness gracious so congratulations to the McVay family two small kids and he's just got to get 53 men potentially Devontae Adams which Sean McVay when he said today that Adams felt his hamstring on Sunday you could see that but not ruling him out for Thursday which is a great way for Seattle even if you give Seattle one extra second of game planning for 17 seems irresponsible to play Devontae But we'll say I don't think you're going to see him until the playoffs.
18:27Rich Eisen:How about that? I like that. I like that. I don't mean about old Dr. Jones. Yeah, I like that. You know, let's just, I'll put it this way. What's more likely, that we see Puka Nadula or we see Devontae Adams playing on Thursday night? Puka Nadula. Okay, very good. Who's the loyal on the Rams? My rubber glove is going to make sure every one of you are safe. I don't know. Who'd be the Rams loyal? Havenstein? I don't know. I don't know. I have no idea. Land man. Land man. Land man. Okay. Deep into the shag. We got to take a break. They're playing the music. To play us out. Play us out. We're going to do more clarifying.
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21:35Rich Eisen:Mark Schlereth, NFL on Fox analyst here. And we were just talking in the television only segment about how you have to have quarterbacks in this league who can dissect a defense pre-snap. Neck up is more important, maybe even the neck down ability. And I'm assuming that's why Phillip Rivers can come off the couch at age 44 and almost win a football game, right, Mark? Dude, how crazy is that? And what statement does that make about the NFL? The NFL in general right now, I was talking to a defensive coordinator here recently two weeks ago, the current coordinator in the league, He said, never has there been a time in the NFL where there's more arm talent and less quarterbacks.
22:17And I was like, wow, that's really good. Because it's true. And it's not college's job. I understand it's not the college's job to develop quarterbacks for the NFL. They're playing the style with which they play. But, man, I'm telling you what. It says a lot when there's not one guy on somebody else's practice squad, not one guy in your own practice squad or your backup that you feel like gives you a better chance to win than 44-year-old Phillip Rivers. And, you know, I mean, he shot, but he did give me vibes of the hefty lefty Jared Lorenzen, God rest his soul. But, you know, he came out there competitive.
22:57They did a great job from a game planning standpoint of getting the ball out of his hands quickly. Lots of screens, a lot of quick game, you know, just moving the ball. You know, that classic Philip Rivers shot put style. But he gave them a chance at the end of that game where they kick what was a 60-yard field goal from Groupie to go ahead in that game. And, you know, Seattle drives it back down. And Matt, I'm sorry, Sam Darnold does a great job finding Rashid Shahid and creating a couple of big throws to end that game with a 55-yard field goal. But just an amazing game, an amazing accomplishment.
23:38And I loved what Phillip had to say because I just believe in this. Fear sets so many of us back. Fear keeps us from doing things that we want to do just because we're afraid of the outcome. And Phillip said, yeah, the easy decision would be to sit home. The easy decision would not be to do it. But I'm not going to let fear kind of capture me. I'm going to go ahead and face that, you know, stare that fear down and go out there and give it my best. And I just said there's a very valuable lesson that that Philip Rivers kind of taught us all in that moment. And I really appreciate what he said. And I really appreciate him, you know, putting it on the line and going out there and playing.
24:14Rich Eisen:Me, too, brother. Go for it. Dadgummit. You know what I mean? Like that is a message that he said he wanted to deliver to the kids that he's coaching to boys and girls all over America, if not the world. Dadgummit, just go for it. And now he's going to take on the 49ers. I mean, so many big games. You're calling one with the Panthers and the Bucs playing each other for the first of two times in the next three weeks to finish up the season. We'll talk about that in a moment. I've got Mark Schlereth here on the Rich Eisen Show. Packers and Broncos viewed as a measuring stick game for both teams.
24:48Rich Eisen:Now that we can observe the measuring stick and see where the viscosity landed, what do you got for me on the Broncos off of that game, reading the measuring stick, Mark? You know, interestingly enough, Rich, if you go through the Broncos season, they really offensively, they led the league in three and outs. They were second in the league in three and outs going into the last weekend. But most of the season, they led the league in three and outs. They really had only put together a few quarters of really good offensive football. And they happened to be in the fourth quarter coming back from the Giants, come back against the Philadelphia Eagles.
25:25They had one really good game against the Cowboys where they really orchestrated. But these last three or four weeks, man, they've been the picture of efficiency against the Raiders a couple weeks ago. They had two 14-play drives, one 19-play drive that lasts over 10 minutes. And then the one kind of criticism, well, Bo hasn't really been accurate down the football field. Well, now you couple that last week against a Green Bay defense that's really good, where not only were they able to possess the ball, be able to score in the red zone, but Bo made some big throws. That fourth down and three to Cortland Sutton down the sideline was a big-time throw.
26:02He's really, really started to play well. Less frenetic in the pocket, really good about escaping, still getting the ball down the football field. The Broncos all of a sudden have become a complete football team in the last couple of weeks where this offense is starting to match what that defense did early in the season, keeping them in games. And they're a dangerous football team in the AFC right now.
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26:25Rich Eisen:Well, what's the difference between playing a game like that and then the one that's coming up for them where they are the measuring stick for another team, right? Jacksonville comes in. You've called some Jacksonville games. I called one. They don't look anything like the team that I saw in London right now. They are balling out. They are feeling confident. They are, I think, an extension of the attitude of their head coach right now, which is what you know is a sign of a positive result in the NFL. What do you make of Jacksonville? You also just saw Houston, too, brother. Yeah, yeah. You know, interestingly enough, Liam Cohen is that guy, you know, that very much like Sean Payton in that he doesn't really care what you think, Rich.
27:11He doesn't care what I think. And he doesn't care what anybody else thinks either, man. He is going to do what he does, and he's not afraid to say something that can be misconstrued. He's not afraid to say something that might get under your skin. He's very honest with his guys. And I think one of the things, this is a Sean Payton thing, but I think it goes to Liam Cohen. It goes to some of the really good coaches in this league. I called a Saints game a couple years ago right after Sean Payton walked away and went to broadcasting for a year. And a long-term employee over at the Saints told me, hey, man, the issue with this football team is Sean Payton walked out of the building and the fear walked out with him.
27:54The fear the coaching staff had, the fear the players had. And it's not just fear like I'm scared. There's a biblical sense to the word fear as well. The biblical sense of fear is awesome reverence or respect, right? You've got to have that type of fear for your coach. Then there's also the fear of that guy will fire my ass if I don't get my block, right? Like that type of fear is also important. And I think the great coaches, you know, combine those things where they can really get after your butt, but they also demand respect and they also develop relationships. And I think Liam Cohen's that way.
28:32I think Sean Payton's that way. You mentioned the Houston Texans. Their head coach is that way. D 'Amico Ryan's is incredible that way. So those guys really have a sense of how to get the best out of their players. And one thing, Liam Cohen, and the reason he got the job talking to Tony Buscelli and talking to, you know, the the the the principles of that organization is because he didn't sell them on. Hey, man, I'm going to develop the quarterback and I'm going to you know, we're going to throw the ball around the yard. We're going to do this. He sold himself on. We are going to run the football.
29:07everything that we do is going to be based off our running game and and everything fits off the way we run the football and that's what sold the jacksonville jaguars on liam cohen and why he's
29:20Rich Eisen:the head coach of the jags right now mark schlera three-time super bowl champ from fox sports here on the rich eisen show crystal ball the nfc north for me mark because we just saw the packers lose and they lost Micah Parsons on top of it. Fox has got a big doubleheader coming up this weekend where the Packers and the Bears face each other again. The Bears are now in first place in the NFC North right now by a half game while the Detroit Lions take on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Then Green Bay takes on Baltimore in Week 17 while Chicago visits San Francisco on Sunday Night Football and the Detroit Lions have the Minnesota Vikings on Christmas Day already in the books and then the final weekend of the season when green bay takes on minnesota and the lions and the bears play one another the bears finish either in first place wild card or even potentially out of the playoffs walk me through who makes it and who doesn't and where do you think march larith yeah i think obviously the michael parsons thing is devastating that guy plays so hard he's so multiple in what he does and where he lines up and it's one of the things that I thought Dallas did wrong with him is he just lined up on the edge too often and you know you break a huddle as an offensive lineman that's the first guy you're going to find like where is that dude and how are we going to deal with him right that's the first thing and when he's always on the edge, it's much easier either to slide to him, to get double teams to him, you know, with the tight end, whatever the case may be, chip with the back, all those things.
31:01But when you start moving him around from one end to the other end off the ball as an off the ball linebacker, then it really messes with your communication and how you're going to block that dude. So losing him is devastating for the Green Bay Packers. Even with that said, I still think the Green Bay Packers are the best team in the North right now. And it's not by a long way, but I think they're the best team. The Christian Watson news was big for them. Him not being, you know, him not going to miss, it doesn't look like he's going to miss time. That's huge, or at least that's what I heard yesterday.
31:40So that's big time because he's the one lift the top of coverage guy, take it deep, that opens up all those underneath routes and some of the big plays they get on the crossers and all that stuff. So I think that's big for them. But the Micah Parsons thing is devastating without question. I still think even with that injury, I still think the Packers are slightly better than both Chicago and Detroit. To your point, I think Chicago makes it as a wild card team. And right now I'm looking at the Detroit Lions as the team that's kind of odd man out in that division.
32:14Rich Eisen:which means they're the odd man out maybe in the conference as well uh that's a crystal ball from mark schlareth and the time i have with you left i'd like to preview something and review something let's preview the game you got man this is it this is what a contest you are in the booth for this coming sunday it is the first of two times that the two teams tied at seven and seven atop the nfc north see each other tampa at carolina you have the floor what happens do you think Yeah, that's going to be really interesting because Carolina is one of those teams that, like, what are they, 12 straight losses when they're favored?
32:51It's just unbelievable. Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde nature of the Carolina Panthers is just really interesting to me. I thought where Tampa really screwed up against Atlanta, I thought they busted some coverage stuff. They weren't very good getting them back out of the backfield. They busted some just busted assignments. as you saw Todd Bowles, my former teammate, just go off on them. But the biggest issue to me was, man, they could not block the front of the Atlanta Falcons. They were horrible. Baker Mayfield looks sped up because he's so used to being pressured, so used to somebody in his face on a consistent basis.
33:33This is really tough. I still think the dynamic nature of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on the offense with Mike Evans back, with Chris Godwin, those players they have back, I still think they've got the chance to be in this ballgame, to make some big plays and win it. You know, after that just ass-chewing that Todd Bowles gave at the post-game press conference, I loved it.
33:56Rich Eisen:It sounded like a truck backing up, man. We counted 10 beeps. 10. I loved it because going back and studying the film last night, But, you know, gap assignment football was unsound. Coverage was unsound. Tackling all the things that Tampa prides themselves on with the pressure they bring, especially in critical situations, like all the things that they do, their staple of things that they lean on and that they hang their hats on, they didn't do any of them well. And so I understand, like I understand how pissed off he was. and good. You should be held accountable. And so I really didn't have any problem.
34:41We'll see how they respond to that, but I'm thinking if they're made of what I think they're made of, they're going to respond to that and play well.
34:49Rich Eisen:All right, last one for you. Looking back, here lies the 2025 Kansas City Chiefs. I want Mark Schlereth to eulogize the Kansas City Chiefs. Why are they out of the playoffs with three games to go, Mark? Yeah. Kansas City Chiefs, it's like I never knew you. Hasta la vista, good for you guys. Enjoy Cancun. Now, I feel bad about stomping on the graves of Kansas City Chiefs because of the Mahomes injury. Ultimately, the things that they have been so good at, the magic between Mahomes and Travis Kelsey just was not there. Their ability to get a key stop whenever they seemed to need it on the defensive side was not there.
35:35They were not able to make the critical plays in critical moments. And, you know, I'm just going to say, and I'll chalk it up to, they have played more football than anybody on the planet over the last seven years. And it just feels to me like it finally caught up to them. Like they had no gas in the tank. they've been an unbelievable champion they have put together an unreal dynasty and you know as long as they have Mahomes and Mahomes comes back healthy which I'm assuming he will they're going to be okay they'll be back in the fight next year.
36:11Rich Eisen:Yeah he had surgery apparently last night to repair an ACL and reportedly an LCL maybe nine months if it can work out which would put him in line to start next year or at least try and get things up to speed and I was talking about it yesterday about all the mistake prone football that they were playing by the way to you know to back up your your opinion with numbers 107 wins for the Chiefs including playoffs in the seven year span that Mahomes has been the starter that's the most of any seven year stretch of any team at any time in the history of the National Football League but I'll go here with you to finish up and I was saying in my opinion yesterday this is going to be fun um that um everybody out there that is celebrating the demise of the Kansas City Chiefs will miss them in the playoffs we will miss them we will miss the jazz their their buzz will miss Mahomes versus fill in the blank will miss those final possessions that opinion Mark you should know uh went over uh on the uh uh social media sphere like a liquid wind in a house of worship mark yes mark yeah i'm wondering based on your look uh you you would agree with that yeah i i actually agree with you man like okay all right no i actually agree with you all right he likes it listen yeah i was told when i first retired and i got into the media business um just kind of stumbled into it i had a you know a wise friend of mine um tell me He said, listen, this is what you want to accomplish.
37:48You want 50 % of the people to love you and 50 % of the people to hate your guts. And he goes, if you can do that in this business, you're going to win. And, you know, 27 years later or whatever it is, I'm still doing it. So that's how I feel about the Chiefs. You know, the Chiefs fans love the Chiefs. The rest of us hate their guts. But I'm with you 100%. I think we'll miss them. We will miss them.
38:11Rich Eisen:We will miss them on a Sunday, late Sunday. Mahomes has the ball with two minutes to go versus, you know, let's go Josh Allen. Yeah. You know how much I hate these guys? Like, I'm just on the route that gets them. You're going to miss that. You're going to hate watch, Mark. Absolutely. You're going to miss it. How about that? See, guys? He agrees with me. Well done. He agrees with me. It's not really a 50-50 split, though, on the opinion back right now. That's okay. It's much worse. It's much worse. that what i'm rich everybody else everybody else in the studio is entitled to be wrong they can be wrong if they want to like you can you can be on the wrong side of history it's not just the studio on the right side it's everybody else i agree with you thank okay you do yeah okay i didn't get that sense yesterday no i told you i love greatness so it was great to watch we're never going to see this for another year this is like a once in a generation run that they went oh really except the patriots did it twice yeah this generation this guy over there We're all in the same generation.
39:15You know what I hate about Patriot fans? Please. That right there, right, Mark? Okay. Patriot fans think the league started in 2000. Right. You don't remember how ass you guys were for 40 years before 2000. They were terrible. Yeah. Same thing with Eagles fans, Mark.
39:33Rich Eisen:They all of a sudden think that they were great for 55. No, you were awful until you were in his last year. I love it. By the way, as you know how Jet fans feel about you, it's not 50-50. It's more 99 % and 1, and it's not this finger either. That's not Mark. Careful, we are on Disney. All right? Very good. Jet fans, you're welcome. You're welcome. For what? I don't even know. Mark, you're the best man. Hey, have a great call. I'll be watching. We'll all be watching. Thanks, guys. Take care. Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Schlereth, everybody. Check out his podcast as well. I look forward to our talks with Mark.
40:13Rich Eisen:Always. He keeps it real. He does keep it real. You know what I'm referring to with the finger, with the Jets fans, right? Not the index. A few years ago, he was going back and forth with Jets fans, and he clapped back at them by putting a Super Bowl ring on his middle finger and held it up on a Zoom or whatever. He's got three of those things. Yes, he does. He just chose to put on one and on one particular finger. Weird. It's weird. Take a break. 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. And we come back on The Rich Eisen Show. The Rich Eisen Show. The podcast.
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42:37Rich Eisen:I do, we just finished talking with Mark Schlereth, and I had him give the eulogy, if you will, for the 2025 Chiefs. Here lies now the 2025 Miami Dolphins. Indeed. And this is a team that started 1-6 and then went to 2-7 and fired their general manager and traded away Jalen Phillips and then at the outset of the season traded away Jalen Ramsey and John O'Smith for Minka Fitzpatrick. And we saw it's, I guess, what would you say, ironic, like rain on your wedding day, that it was the Steelers who eliminated the Dolphins officially from playoff contention? Because after firing their general manager and flipping Jalen Phillips to the Eagles for a three, I still can't believe other teams in the NFL didn't say we can do better than that.
43:24Rich Eisen:At any rate, that's for another day. I mean, you could make book. I know this is an overreaction Monday and a Tuesday night of what's more likely. But what's more likely? Jalen Phillips does nothing for the Eagles in their playoff run or in their first game of the playoffs, which they will have. He'll be a factor. He'll come up with a sack. He'll do something. But at any rate, even though the Dolphins made all these changes, they go on a four-game winning streak only to lose last night in Pittsburgh. And they started one in six, two or three tons of interceptions in the beginning of the season.
44:02Rich Eisen:Absolute tons. His 15 interceptions on the season after one more last night. The most in the NFL. But it's a quarterback-driven league, so that's obviously the first answer you're going to get. But I'm just wondering if the Dolphins front office and management and ownership does in fact look at Mike McDaniel and say that is our guy moving forward because of what he does with Tua. Because Tua, he's not going anywhere. He's not going anywhere. You look at his contract and his dead cap number, and he is not going anywhere. That's too bad for the Dolphins. I don't know how too bad that is. But we'll hit a little bit more on it.
44:46Rich Eisen:This is what Mike McDaniel had to say after the loss. My expectation is that our locker room fights for this team, and that's what they have been doing. I think it's important that we weren't chasing anything but putting forth a football that we're proud of. It fits this team to put forth a valiant effort because we've just been focusing on one opponent at a time, and shutting out the noise, and we're going to have to do that. As challenging as it may be, we have three opportunities with this team, and I think really the character of the locker room has been tested all year, so my expectation is that we're going to bounce back regardless of how much it hurts.
45:43Rich Eisen:There's no question it's been tested, right? I mean, they lose Tyreek Hill, and they go on a run because they have one of the best offensive players in the NFL. A-chan is unbelievable. He is. He is unreal. Waller caught two touchdowns at the end of the game. I mean, Jalen Waddell, they did hold on to him, and the Dolphins do have important games left to play, not maybe just for themselves, but if they do want to fight for their coach's job, that would be one way to go about it. But they're going to have a say in who wins the NFC South and the AFC East potentially. Home for Tampa and at New England to finish the season.
46:29Rich Eisen:I see you got a Tua soundbite all queued up. I don't know if you want, not enough time to play it. Well, Tua's not going anywhere. And I know we were kind of, you know that, I don't know what commercial it is where they bring in a backup quarterback to either back up a car or take a family photograph or be able to, yeah, Teddy Bridgewater is a better listener. We were saying, can the Dolphins have a quarterback that plays and starts in cold weather games? You know, I know that sounds facetious. It's a legit idea. But I mean, Tua's now 0-6 in cold weather games. Come on. And I'm sure it pisses him off.
47:05Rich Eisen:I'm sure that makes him salty Tua. But that's the whole concept here is, you know, Miami teams, are you going to be able to run the ball and not turn it over and move the ball down the field in an offense that they run with a quarterback that is yet to win in the cold? That's a problem in the AFC East. The Ridge Eisen Show Podcast. MLB.TV on ESPN is your home for every out-of-market game, live or on demand. Catch your favorite teams and players, plus MLB Network and ESPN app features like Multiview, syncing your stats, key plays, bets, and fantasy all in one place. Sign up now for MLB.tv in the ESPN app.
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Rich reacts to the Pittsburgh Steelers taking one more step towards winning the AFC North with a Monday Night Football win over Tua Tagovailoa and the Miami Dolphins to improve to 8-6 on the year.
NFL on Fox analyst/’Stinkin’ Truth’ podcast host Mark Schlereth and Rich discuss Kyler Murray’s uncertain future with the Arizona Cardinals, Philip Rivers’ return to the Indianapolis Colts after a 5-year retirement, how Denver Broncos’ QB Bo Nix and Jacksonville Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence have improved over the past month, how Micah Parsons’ season-ending ACL injury impacts the Green Bay Packers’ chances to catch the Chicago Bears in the NFC North, if the Detroit Lions miss or make the playoffs, which teams is likely to come out on top in the NFC South, and explains why he agrees with Rich that we’ll all (even KC haters) miss the Chiefs come playoffs time.
Rich weighs in on the Dolphins being eliminated from playoff contention and the future of head coach Mike McDaniel in Miami after another disappointing season.
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