Hour 1: Tyreek Hill Injury Reaction, Bengals’ Outlook, plus QB Guru Jordan Palmer

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1:42It was a dislocation.

1:44Rich Eisen:Today's guests. Quarterback consultant Jordan Palmer. Three-time Super Bowl champion Mark Schleren. From Hulu's Chad Powers. Glenn Powell and Michael Waldron. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hey, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show, live on Disney +, the ESPN app everywhere, ESPN Radio, presented by Progressive Insurance. Baseball, playoff baseball getting underway. All four wildcard games available on ESPN and ABC and also ESPN Radio. Check your local listings for all of that. At some point today, if you're listening to us on ESPN Radio, it's entirely possible that your station takes you to a playoff baseball game in the middle of our show, and we're cool with that.

2:36Rich Eisen:We love baseball. Yeah, Tigers guards in an hour. Hey, there may be an eye in Rich and Eisen, but we're team players. And so lots going on in this world. Week four in the books, two games last night. Jordan Palmer is going to join us, basically because I need reinforcements for my Jake Browning tape. That gets worse every single week with me saying that the season's not over for the Cincinnati Bengals. And it is not. They're two and two. Yada, yada, yada. 20 minutes from now, we've got Jordan Palmer, throwing coach, quarterback, guru, extraordinaire of Jake Browning. He's going to join us. Also, Mark Schlereth of Fox Sports, fresh off of calling New England's victory over the weekend, destroying the Carolina Panthers.

3:18Rich Eisen:He's going to join us. The Broncos are now two and two. The Commanders are now two and two. He won championships with both of those teams. Lots to talk about with him. And then Chad Powers himself strolls into our studio without the fake stuff. The great Glenn Powell and Michael Waldron, who is the co-creator of Chad Powers, available today on Hulu. Hello. They're both going to be here, and it's going to be a fun chat now at number three. There's you at 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-ADOL. Good to see you over there, Christopher Brockman. Good to see you, Rich. What's up, man? DJ Mikey D is in D's nuts. I have a double header today, which is great.

3:54Rich Eisen:Okay. Good to see you, TJ. Jefferson, how are you, sir? Good to see you. As someone who once dislocated his kneecap, I feel for the cheetah. Well, let's start with that, sir, because Tyree Kill, one of the best that we've seen at his position since he started playing professional football, might not play professional football ever again. I mean, it's just that simple. The guy's 31 and he's currently in a hospital bed with possible more surgery to come on a dislocated knee. Adam Schefter reporting that, you know, multiple ligaments got torn up in his knee. It's a dislocated knee. That sounds terrible.

4:35Rich Eisen:It looked terrible. His smile on his face totally belied whatever must have been going on in his knee as he was being carted off last night. Drew Rosenhaus's agent is talking about how the doctors and surgeons are looking at blood flow, possible nerve damage. They're making sure that it's just a dislocated knee and ligaments. And, you know, my colleague at NFL Network, NFL Media Group, Rap Sheet, Ian is reporting that his 2026 season is potentially in jeopardy. and and so if he comes back at age 33 on this knee you know listen he's such a physical force of nature that if anybody could come back and look like the tyree kill slash cheetah that we've all known after all of this at age 33 and use it as a chip on his shoulder um makes sense it makes complete sense and in in this world of where you can't make it up right as cheetah waves goodbye on a golf cart to the hard rock dolphin fan base in steps a guy who we haven't seen play football in forever in a day in darren waller um who we all know unretired this off season and uh after retiring from the Giants the year before and decides he wants to play football again this guy who we all know came into the league as a talented kid in Baltimore had substance abuse issues sat out a year because of it then he goes to the Raiders our guy Mike Mayock decides to give him a flyer he turns into such a force of his own nature that he gets paid significantly winds up getting traded to the Giants where things begin to fall apart for him he decides to retire and start wrapping and he decides to come back and in a game in which the Dolphins watch Tyreek Hill get carted off Darren Waller plays his first game since the final game of 2023 and comes up with his first two reception touchdown game since week 13 of 2022 also against the Jets 1 ,758 days apart and becomes the first tight end in the Super Bowl era to have multiple receiving touchdowns in his debut for a new team at 30 years old or older.

7:17Rich Eisen:Can't make it up. The Dolphins saved their season. They're no longer winless. They are one in three. We'll see how obviously they move forward without their best offensive player, with all due respect to H. Han and Tua and now Darren Waller and Waddle. Got a lot of talented players on that offensive side of the football and the defensive side of the football. I mean, the Dolphins being one in three is a disappointment to say the least. And they still needed, you know, time to run out at the end there. If there was another minute left on the clock, the Jets had a shot despite a gajillion penalties and turnovers of winning that game.

7:57Rich Eisen:Long story short is we send our best to Tyreek Hill and the Cheetah and welcome back Darren Waller in a game where you're you're going into it thinking none of the above and so there's that at the same time as Jets slash Met fans watching that were couldn't wait for the Bengals and Broncos to start playing football to give them something else to watch the Bengals and the Broncos play football and once again the Cincinnati Bengals fall apart without Joe Burrow. Now I said here, Jake Browling is not going to be so bad that the season is over for the Cincinnati Bengals. I pointed out that when Burrow last went down for a significant amount of time in 2023, this kid started seven games, won four of them, went four and three and now the Bengals were finally not in an 0-2 hole to start a season they're now 2-0 rather than 0-2 from that base of operations just being one game over 500 would give him a 10-7 season and thus a possibility of having more than just a lost season to say the least certainly if Joe Burrow is coming back in the middle of December if the three months time period that we're hearing from everyone in the NFL media for his surgically repaired toe is in fact an accurate amount of time that he would miss he'd be back in the middle of December to take on the Ravens who are so banged up who might not have Lamar Jackson this weekend and they're one in three they're a game behind the Bengals so dare I even say right now that the season is not over despite the Cincinnati Bengals since Joe Burrow went down, scoring just 13 points over their last two games.

9:57Rich Eisen:And the defense from last year showing up while they're waiting for the Browning of two years ago to show up. And now suddenly that 0-2 start that they didn't have at 2-0 has arrived just in the form of weeks 3 and 4 rather than weeks 1 and 2. and Joe Burrow's not walking through that door. And Jake Browning appears to have zero time to throw the football. Zero. The same offensive line that everybody's saying needed improvement for Joe Burrow, and where is that reinforcement of that very crucial position group in front of Joe Burrow? Where is that emphasis? It's not as if they haven't done a thing.

10:54Rich Eisen:It's not as if they've got pikers up front. They just can't block. They can't block. And Chase Brown, who you know I adore, doesn't have a single second to breathe. We're not getting any running game of which to speak. And you heard Troy Aikman sum it up last night that the running game, that Burrows not had a running game, not had any protection up front. not had a defense. And it's like, Joe, you have two world-class receivers, go win football games. And that was the plan for the Bengals and has been the plan for the Bengals, for the most part, since Burrow came off the campus with 60 touchdowns in his final season of LSU.

11:40Rich Eisen:And now Burrow's gone. How's that plan working? Well, it's gone so well that Jamar Chase is now going up to his coach in the middle of the game. The HC. Cameras catching Jamar Chase going up to him. And you know when receivers do something like that in situations like these, now comes the conversation about how things are falling apart. Jamar Chase in this football game. Guys, this is the way fantasy leagues go down for you, certainly when you draft him first overall. But this is reality football. Jamar Chase got targeted five times, five catches, 23 yards. And for an average of 4.6 yards, usually this guy moves chains, not just puts you in position to stay on schedule when he catches the ball.

12:35Rich Eisen:Usually he scores touchdowns. Higgins, three catches, 32 yards. Chase Brown out of the backfield. This is what's supposed to be happening with Jake Browning, is let's set up screens. Let's set up this stuff. Three catches, 31 yards. The Broncos defense deserves a lot of cap tips and salutes on this sort of thing. But that doesn't help the situation when somebody's going up to Jamar Chase's locker after the game. Tough to say, man. Honestly, you know, we go out there and we lay eggs sometimes. We're not capitalizing on. We're not capitalizing on the downs when we get opportunities. When it's second and third and one, third and two, we've got to capitalize on those, get the ball moving down the field so we can keep the play going.

13:25Do you think there's an up urgency on this team?

13:28Rich Eisen:The urgency is there, man. It's just we've got to want it. At the end of the day, we've got to want it. Today it didn't look like we wanted it. Well, that doesn't sound very good, does it? Okay. It doesn't look like we wanted it.

13:43Rich Eisen:Okay, Coach Taylor, you're on the clock now with this sort of stuff. He was asked about the exchange that he had with Jamar Chase. Chase said it was about essentially the series that had just failed on offense. It was just specific, compartmentalized to that. What about the coach? Coming off a game like this is one of my favorite players to deal with, quite frankly. because he's just competitive and he just wants to win. And it comes across as emotional, but that's just a captain that works his tail off. All he wants to do is win the game. All he wants to do is affect the game. And oftentimes he feels like if I have the ball in my hand, I can do that, and I don't disagree with him.

14:31Rich Eisen:And we're always looking for ways to get him the ball. Obviously, sometimes for him, he can't see what's going on in the backfield and some of the challenges that face back there. But I love Jamar. he's he's when i'm done coaching he will be one of my all-time favorites for the way that he has um how many years he's been here four five five for the way that he has uh i wouldn't say matured because he was never immature but just the way he's become the the total pro that you want leading your football team and competing in practice and competing in games um i can't say enough about him and and i'm sure if that interaction was on site it just comes from a place where i want to help the team win.

15:09Rich Eisen:I can help the team win. Help me help the team win. And I love that about them. Can they

15:19Rich Eisen:go to the store and get some sandbags and throw them behind the offensive line? That's how you shore things up a little bit. Might be tough to run through them. I don't because that's a big part of the problem. A big part of the problem. Sometimes you You saw the Broncos just rushing four and getting there. And they got home with three ones. I mean, Browning threw, and then the penalties as well. I mean, Browning threw a beautiful ball to T. Higgins on the sideline at one point. That got wiped out. Here's some good news, though. I'm going to give you the glass half full, as you always know that is my default.

16:00Rich Eisen:I love that about you. Well, I appreciate you saying that, Chris, because I'm not changing. Why would you? Well, I only know one speed, as you see when I run the 40-yard dash, okay? We marathon. We don't sprint. Obviously, in this week-to-week league, we overreact. It's an overreaction Monday on a Tuesday that's coming up later. The Bengals, as of right now, they're going home. Hasn't looked good. It's looked terrible. There's no other way to put it. Me sitting there saying, hey, Jake Browning's got this. So far, not a great take. Not a great take. but they're two and two. They're in second place in their division.

16:43You look at the Pittsburgh Steelers and you look at the,

16:48Rich Eisen:say Buffalo bills. And I only use Buffalo as an example. Cause they're the team that's four and all the only undefeated team in the AFC. You look at the chargers, you look at that sort of echelon and normally you'd put the Ravens in that mix. The Ravens are behind them. can you catch the Steelers? Can you beat the Steelers? Are they more beatable than the other teams that I just mentioned? I believe so. And I think their path, their good path, if I'm sitting here and saying, hey, the Patriots at 2-2 have a shot, nice shot at the playoffs, a 2-2 team is a good, again, base of operations from which to move forward.

17:30Rich Eisen:So they're not 0-4, and they're not 1-3. They're actually just two and two. Four of their next five are at home. Look at that. And then there's a bye. Four of their next five are at home. And that you got to assume is going to be better than the last two games when they're going against Brian Flores blitzing his mind out and the Denver Broncos defense and Vance Joseph, what we just saw. The problem is, is their next games against Detroit. Which usually isn't what we would call a get right game. No. It's sometimes a get lost game. And then they're at Green Bay. That's their one road trip. They're at Green Bay where we may find out the Packers are a much better team than what we've seen on the road from them the last two weeks where they're winless like a hockey team 0-1-1.

18:23Rich Eisen:Then they got a short week game against Pittsburgh that I would call must win. I would call a must win. at that point in time, if they're going to have a season. After that, they're home for the Jets and the Bears. Teams that if they go and give this kid some protection up front and get Chase Brown some balancing act on offense-type runs. You had the Jim Mora senior drop from years ago, Mike? Should have told you to have it ready. I'm just going to repeat it one more time from here. Season is not over. I may prove to be on a hill that I should be getting the hell off of right now. Because the defense looks brutal outside of Trey Hendrickson.

19:11Rich Eisen:Who's going to rush the passer? Other than that, they've looked a little bit green in the middle of the defense as well. Let's give this just a little bit of a beat. Can I give you the glass half empty? I know. Go ahead and say what you texted me last night. I'd be shocked if they won four games this year. Now, I'll push back on that. If you look at the schedule, where are the wins? Who can they beat? The team that showed up last night and that can't block anybody and can't defend anybody, who do they beat? The Jets can at least score points. The team, oh, okay. When they're not, you know, pre-snap procedure penaltying their own heads off.

19:48Rich Eisen:They at least put the ball in the end zone. Brother, I'm just going to say this. The team that showed up last night is a four-win team. I think they're better than the team that showed up last night. And I think being at home will do wonders. And at some point, Jake Browning's going to have the game that I think they're capable of allowing him to have. How does that sound? But it is kind of brutal to watch right now. I'm not going to lie. For sure. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Jordan Palmer is zooming into the program. Let's get his thoughts. Founder and coach of QB Summit and so much more next on The Rich Eisen Show.

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22:14Rich Eisen:espn radio is back on the air on the rich eisen show we're uh sitting here oh espn radio presented by progressive insurance uh jordan palmer joining us here on the rich eisen show quarterback consultant and also a man who is uh crushing it right now with thread performance we'll talk about that in a second good to see you jordan how are you sir yes sir i'm doing great doing great great to be on well jordan um i i i need you to help a friend out okay yeah because jordan uh i listen to you when you talk i respect you immensely i respect your skills i respect your knowledge i just respect you um and so um years ago when joe burrow went down and jake browning comes into a big time position you're like he's got this sure enough he had it i mean four four and three look great so when it happened again i'm like i know what jordan told me two years ago it's the same guy different it's just a different year so i went on this show and i'm like the season's not over for the cincinnati bangles two uh two shows uh later two weeks later uh jordan it's not looking too good my take's not looking too good i i gave the floor to you as somebody who knows jake browning and knows him well and has coached him up knows what beats inside and ticks what's your opinion of what we've seen the last two weeks jordan well i think this is the NFL.

23:31I think it's year to year. I think a lot of people pick the Ravens to win it all this year, not to be one in three. And when I look at the game last night and even going back to the game that he went in and finished in Jacksonville, it's the same guys outside, but we're seeing issues. I heard what you guys were saying before I came on, you know, looking at the schedule and the O-line and from my position, what I do, so I consult with guys year round on an annual basis. So if they're a starter, I'm doing videos every week on their game tape. And if they're a backup, I do it when they go in. And I had him last week at Minnesota in a bad game that was hard to watch.

24:09I kind of look at a lot of things. But one of the things I like to show guys when true is when two things were true, how many completions did you have? So when someone was open and it doesn't have to be wide open, just somebody's open and you have time with your drop and everything, whether it's number one in the progression, you had time to finish your drop, or number three in the progression, you had time to progress. How'd you do on those downs? In the Minnesota game, he was 9 for 9 with a touchdown, and last night he was 13 for 17 in those situations with a drop. And so for 100 and something yards.

24:41And so when I look at, not that there's not things to clean up for everybody, but I do like to remind my client, outside of this rare case, I don't really care what social media or the media thinks, but when you have an opportunity to play well and put the ball in play, how are you doing in that situation? And so that's kind of how I think I judge a guy. If people are open and we're missing them or somebody's open and we're not seeing them because our eyes are in the wrong spot or we're getting the wrong protection, that's a different thing to solve for. But if anything, I think this is showing, you know, some holes in the game and also just how spectacular Joe was last year to be able to play in this similar circumstance and be a magician back there to be to create things that don't exist.

25:25As far as moving forward, and this is just from being a player and being in the locker room, I've been on some, I was on a two and 14 team and I was on a 14 and two team. And so, and a bunch of others. And, you know, you can, you can pay attention. If you're Zach right now, you can pay attention to all the noise, or you can sit here and go, we're one and O in the division. And we've got a bunch of things to clean up. And we've got four of our next five at home, as you guys pointed out. And one of those is Pittsburgh at home, who's leading the division, who I think in the preseason everyone would have had at four in that division or three.

26:02And so I think that's still there. The pathway to the playoffs is winning the division. And I think that's what the concerns are. And they have a ton of stuff to clean up, as do, you know, the Chiefs and the Ravens and some other teams that were highly touted coming into the year.

26:16Rich Eisen:Well, I'm glad you transitioned to the forward part because that's where I was going to go next and I'll still ask it. Because what you're saying about, A, with time to drop and go through a progression, he's been terrific. That's the sort of stuff that coaches see on film unless they're hearing too much or they're concerned about the way the season is going regardless and might make a move for, say, somebody like Kirk Cousins, Jameis Winston, Russell Wilson. and these are names over the next month that we're going to be hearing quite a bit about for teams that might be concerned about their quarterback spot.