Hour 1:  Washington Huskies HC Jedd Fisch, plus a Vikings’ Kyler Murray Decision Deep Dive

12 Aug 2026 · 47 min · 16 chapters

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In short

Rich Eisen Show Hour 1 mixes college football and NFL QB news. Main focus is the Minnesota Vikings ending the Kyler Murray quarterback competition and what that means for J.J. McCarthy, plus a later interview with Washington Huskies head coach Jedd Fisch (Jed Fish) about his program and NIL/transfer rules.

Guests (backgrounds)

  • Jed Fisch/Jed Fish: University of Washington head football coach; previously worked in NFL coaching (including Sean McVay’s staff).
  • Rashawn Gary: Dallas Cowboys defensive lineman; former Green Bay Packers player.
  • Chris Hardwick: comedian/host (appears as a studio guest).

Key claims

  • Vikings chose Murray as starter before preseason snaps; Kevin O’Connell cites mastery of system, accuracy, athleticism, and work ethic.
  • Eisen argues the decision likely limits McCarthy’s job prospects, though he says McCarthy must stay ready for possible injury/opportunity.
  • Fisch argues contracts for coaches must be enforceable and calls for clearer, Congress-like caps/approval for NIL compensation.

Notable examples

  • Fisch praises Sean McVay’s “win with people” approach and tells an Aaron Donald story about dominating a look-team rep.
  • Murray’s schedule is framed as immediate NFC North tests (Week 1 vs Green Bay; Week 2 at Chicago).

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Chapters

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Discussing the Lakers and Upcoming Guests

0:00 to 0:24

Rich discusses the changes in the Lakers' ownership and today's guests.

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Discussing the Lakers and Upcoming Guests

2:16 to 4:30

Rich discusses the changes in the Lakers' ownership and today's guests.

“A lot of hands being changed, but we're excited for the future here in Los Angeles sports, to say the least, and we'll be all over it every single day at 844-204-RICH, number to dial right here on this program.”

Kyler Murray's Announcement as Starting QB

4:30 to 5:50

Analysis of the announcement of Kyler Murray as the Vikings' starting QB.

“press conference is after the program so let's review uh the sound bites if you will the man who made the decision before a single pre-season snap is had get it out the way it starts the full preseason tomorrow night.”

Kevin O'Connell on Kyler's Performance

5:50 to 9:00

Kevin O'Connell discusses Kyler Murray's capabilities and preparation.

“but his ability to affect the game with his athleticism.”

Kyler Murray's Perspective on Competition

9:00 to 12:10

Kyler Murray shares his thoughts on the competition for the starting QB position.

“Kyler had this to say about winning the gig.”

Future Prospects for J.J. McCarthy

12:10 to 14:01

Discussion on J.J. McCarthy's potential role with the Vikings moving forward.

“And the Vikings are like, this is why we also gave you the opportunity to come here with no tag clause.”

Kyler Murray's Future and J.J. McCarthy's Opportunities

14:01 to 21:00

Discusses the potential decisions surrounding Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy in the NFL.

“I got born into this league as a backup to Tom Brady.”

Kyler Murray's Future and J.J. McCarthy's Opportunities

21:03 to 22:12

Discusses the potential decisions surrounding Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy in the NFL.

“After all these years talking to athletes, coaches, entertainers, and people at the top of what they do, one thing is pretty clear.”

Jed Fish on Coaching and Team Dynamics

22:12 to 28:00

Jed Fish shares insights on coaching, team dynamics, and player's relationships.

“Jed Fish, University of Washington, head football coach here on the Rich Eisen show.”

Washington's Current Situation

28:00 to 29:09

Discussion on the current state of the Washington Huskies football team and player development.

“And then lawsuits were being talked about from Washington's point of view.”
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The Impact of NIL and Transfer Portal

29:10 to 32:54

Exploration of the implications of NIL and the Transfer Portal on college athletics.

“And, man, I just think we got a special kid that's going to do some really cool things if we do a great job of protecting them.”

Coaching Contracts and Regulations

32:55 to 36:24

Discussion on the need for enforceable coaching contracts and regulatory standards in college sports.

“I mean, to put those emotions on the line right out of the gate is gumption.”

Player Success Stories

36:25 to 39:33

Highlights of former players' successes and their preparations for the NFL.

“I think the same is going with Carver Willis in San Francisco, from what I understand.”

Upcoming Rivalry Games

39:34 to 42:09

Conversation about the significance of upcoming rivalry games and their implications.

“Right there up in the beautiful Pacific Northwest.”

NFL Team Power Rankings and Predictions

43:04 to 45:04

Rich discusses NFL team power rankings and makes predictions for the Green Bay Packers' win-loss record this season.

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Wisconsin Quarterbacks and Listener Interaction

45:05 to 47:29

Rich and caller Brandon discuss various Wisconsin quarterbacks and engage in light banter.

“Should have you call back in when Rashawn Gary's sitting here to say that.”
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1:00Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Caught! Touchdown! Boy, what an opportunity this is for Collin Martin. They can win the division and go deep. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Today's guests.

1:44University of Washington head coach Jed Fish. Cowboys defensive lineman Rashawn Gary. Host Chris Hardwick. Rich's power rankings. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

2:01Rich Eisen:Well, hey, everybody. Welcome to this edition of the Rich Eisen Show live from Los Angeles, California, where the Lakers apparently have some new owners. It's the wonderful world of the Los Angeles Lakers. Down the street, it's quick. A lot of hands being changed, but we're excited for the future here in Los Angeles sports, to say the least, and we'll be all over it every single day at 844-204-RICH, number to dial right here on this program. Jed Fish, the head coach of the University of Washington. First up, Rashawn Gary in studio, an actual Dallas Cowboys stopping by here. One of New Jersey's finest.

2:41Rich Eisen:That'll make two such individuals here in this room. Thank you, Rich. I said two. Chris Hardwick stops by as the wall is there for your viewing pleasure all the time. I've got power rankings where I'm actually power ranking NFL teams like it's a playing season. Oh, yeah. You guys convinced me to do it. I got one arm tied behind my back. Way, way to work. Love them. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. And then I've got a four downs on the Green Bay Packers. There's you as well at 844-204-RICH. Number to dial. Whether you are watching us on Disney +, the ESPN app, listening to us on ESPN Radio, Sirius XM channel 80.

3:22Rich Eisen:Good to see you over there, Christopher Brocklin. DJ Mikey Dees. Good morning, Rich. Don't sound too excited to be here. I'm excited. Well, you quickly moved on to welcoming Mike. Yeah, I mean, you gave it like a half a second. Good morning. Hi, TJ. I don't know. I will take this time to give you an answer and say, oh, Rich. Is O'Shea Jackson Jr. part of the new ownership group of the Los Angeles Lakers that's replacing the new ownership group of the Los Angeles Lakers? Would it surprise you if he was? Let's be honest. I don't know. All right. Well, I can't wait to chat with him since he's the one that was having an after party for his movie Idiots that prevented you from making a couple of fantasy draft choices.

3:56Rich Eisen:We were shaking hands. Hold on a second. No, no, no, no. We moved on. I'm going to defend TJ here. There are other people in this league who deserve more ire. Bar more ire. We'll call out Jon Hamm later. Thank you. 844-204-RICH. Number to tell. Got it, TJ. During the program yesterday, news broke. Adam Schefter, hey, the Vikings have announced Kyler Murray as their starting quarterback. Quarterback competition is over. um i began to say where's the press conference what happened how was this informed i texted adam during the commercial break he's like they told the team it's over like okay sure enough press conference is after the program so let's review uh the sound bites if you will the man who made the decision before a single pre-season snap is had get it out the way it starts the full preseason tomorrow night.

4:53Rich Eisen:NFL Network. Two games. I said two games. I said two.

4:59And the

5:02Rich Eisen:Vikings have already decided. It's Kyle Amari. Alright, Kevin O 'Connell, why? I think he's demonstrated what he's capable of. Both the experience he has playing at a high level in this league but also his experience now of coming in here, being challenged. And I think he's shown enough to really project with the right prerequisite now of work for a starter leading into a camp that we can get the rhythm, the timing, we can get the mastery of our system and this year's system, regardless of what we've done in previous years, what we're going to look like, how we're going to play. There's different things and nuances that we're going to fit to what our players, Kyler included, do the best.

5:43And in my opinion, he's got the skill set and the abilities, not only just from a standpoint of accuracy, but his ability to affect the game with his athleticism. But he's also proven to be smart, very hardworking, and able to take in a lot of information and churn that out. Now we really want to give him the opportunity to really start building a comfort level, not only with the system, but with the guys.

6:08Rich Eisen:Okay, there you have it. Mastery of System, by the way. That's not a bad fantasy name. It's a Metallica outlet. Mastery of the System is the Metallica. Metallica album. Smell the glove. We knew when Kyler signed. That's the royal way. I did. I said it from this chair. It's over. And now it's obvious. I'm not saying that it was actually in real life over when they signed Kyler Murray. I'm not saying that they didn't have a true competition at all. I didn't say then it's over, meaning it's all going to be a sham from here signing day to here today. It wasn't a sham. I'm sure there might have been a time where like, all right, we're really going to see what this is.

7:12Rich Eisen:but going in knowing what Kyler has done in the league and how inexpensive he is now I keep repeating myself the bottom line is he has more experience he has a skill set that they want to take for a spin he has an upside they want to see right now in the one year they have him if it can be realized, they have a veteran team and a top five defense ready to roll, which is why they tried to keep Sam Darnold from going to Seattle and Daniel Jones from going to Indianapolis while still having J.J. McCarthy coming off of an injury-marred rookie season. They tried to keep them all, and they were all like, nah, we know you want to see what you have in your second year player.

8:11Rich Eisen:And we're out. Now, Kyler Murray knows they've already seen what they saw in their second year player. And he knows I'm done in Arizona. He understands he's only costing this much for Minnesota. So they're going to be far more wide open to give him a shot than, say, Mike LaFleur was in Arizona. So he'll go there. all those pieces together made me think J.J. McCarthy needs to show up like Fran Tarkenton in order to win this job. And ready, like Fran at his peak to win this gig.

8:56Rich Eisen:So this makes sense. Everything that Kevin O 'Connell just said, it makes sense. Kyler had this to say about winning the gig. I mean, the whole process was great. full transparency from KO to me to JJ to everybody in the room. The competition was what it was and it's everything I expected it to be. I didn't expect to be handed the job or anything like that. I just expected to come here and compete and I'm very appreciative of how it was handled. There you go. Didn't mind going through the rigors with somebody who's played half or even far less than the half amount of time that he has had played in his career.

9:35Rich Eisen:Prove yourself. Totally understood. Humbled. Yada, yada, and yada. Okay? So, got it. Now comes the playing part of it all. Week one, home for Green Bay. Week two, at Chicago. Thrown right in the NFC North cauldron. Oh, get it. And I'm sure Kyler's like, okay, yeah. That's tough competition. don't know if you all realized but I've been participating in the deepest end of the pool in the National Football League over the last few years where not one, not two, but three teams made the playoffs last year two of them played for the NFC title one of them won the whole damn shooting match and the other one could have been the one seed throughout if they beat the defending now Super Bowl champions in week 18 at home last year and he understands what makes diamonds again I look at this as like a blessing I get to play the game that I love every single day I mean I truly mean it no pressure at all just come out here play the game that I love to play be myself let the chips fall where they may and again I don't got to do too much I have a great surrounding cast around me I'm thankful yeah he's thankful yeah man why do you think he signed in minnesota kevin o 'connell told him you're gonna have a real chance to win this job and throw to justin jefferson and jordan addison and we're gonna spice up the roster then juwan jennings from the nfc west comes in you can make the argument that's the best it's a three-headed monster coming out of a wide receiver room in the national football Pass catchers.

11:27Rich Eisen:Interesting. Three. Got to have three. It's the magic number. That's Justin Jefferson. Jordan Addison went healthy. Take the top of the defense off. Jawan Jennings. I would safely say if San Francisco had a better overtime in the Super Bowl, Jawan Jennings could be walking around as a Super Bowl MVP. He was unbelievable in that Super Bowl. Yep. Skill sets there. TJ Hawkinson, when healthy. The running back room. The offensive line is the key. We talked about it all yesterday. Offensive line is the absolute key. So, end of story. There's opportunity there. Opportunity there for Kyler Murray. And the Vikings are like, this is why we also gave you the opportunity to come here with no tag clause.

12:25You have free reign to take this team where we want you to take it and free roadway to take the path out of town if you so desire.

12:45Rich Eisen:But we'll let the chips fall where they may with us too, along with you. and that's why a lot of people are thinking if they're given this path to kyla murray then it's over for jj mccarthy in minnesota and kevin o 'connell was asked exactly that you see jj having a future with the organization outside of whether there's going to be an injury or not to yeah absolutely i mean to me uh you know He's still a guy that's only played 10 games. He's shown improvement off of last year, even in this training camp with the work he's put in and his comfort level just growing a little bit day in and day out.

13:29I'm still very excited to continue to get to work with him every single day, coach him. As he knows, he's holding the pen on his story, and we're going to support him and try to just help him continue to improve as a young player at the most difficult position in sports. And, you know, he's got to also understand this isn't just a long-term mindset, which we want to have always for a player his caliber and a young player like him. But it could be an immediate response needed. And, you know, J.J.'s the kind of guy that'll be ready to rock and roll. I know that. What were they really thinking?

14:03Rich Eisen:Listen, folks. Listen. Listen. I got born into this league as a backup to Tom Brady. Okay? coming off of a damn near undefeated season.

14:22Rich Eisen:And that guy that we have given the starting job to, I don't think he's Tom Brady. And listen, what happened to Tom Brady, Chris, after he damn near went undefeated? What happened to him? Got hurt. Yeah, that's right. Got to have your head on a swivel in this league. and I hope everything works out with Kyler Murray. Trust me, I would love to be in another difficult situation again like the one Sam Darnold put me in because he won 14 games. He won so damn much that he put us in a tough spot. Please, Kyler Murray, do that to us again. And then I will have to deal with what we do with J.J. McCarthy at the end of the day.

15:12Rich Eisen:But if Murray's the right guy here, it is also called not for long for a reason. And that might be the case here. I'm not going to shut the door on J.J. McCarthy right here and right now when I might have to open the door for him in week two. And guess where we're going in week two? The same spot where J.J. McCarthy had the fourth quarter of the ages last year. Chicago. where everybody thought his kid's dead in the water. We made the worst possible mistake. Oh, wait a minute. J.J. McCarthy suddenly did look like Frank Tarkenton, and we beat the Bears. And then maybe J.J. McCarthy shows up against everybody else like he did against Dallas.

15:58Rich Eisen:And now suddenly he's that guy. And Kyler Murray who? I'd love to be in that situation as well if I'm forced to be in that situation. I'm not going to sit here and shut any doors. Of course, you can't say it that way. But as I told J.J. McCarthy, listen, this is new. It's new for him. Injuries, coming back from injuries, saying things that now come back to bite him. I'm sure his head is completely turned around. His world is turned upside down and yada, yada, yada. but you got to stay ready. And then in that respect too, when the Minnesota Vikings take on the Detroit Lions, for instance, this season, twice is when they take them on, weeks eight and 15, just look across the way, look at a first overall selection there who had to go to a different spot.

17:05Rich Eisen:just look again at the guy who just beat him out

17:12Rich Eisen:new opportunities come along for people who stick around this league and do it the right way and or get lucky and have an opportunity show up the vikings take on the tampa bay buccaneers this year i don't know did they do that too i have a schedule in front of me there No, I don't see a TB. They're right there. Week three. There it goes. There's another one. Three. There you go. Right there. No, and then he takes on Miami. There's Malik Willis getting an opportunity. Daniel Jones, week seven. Week eight is golf. I mean, it's just chock full. Week 11 is Brock Purdy. Week 12 could be Tua. Week 13 is the quarterback in Carolina who got drafted first overall and then benched by his new coach.

18:04Rich Eisen:And now look at him in year four.

18:09Rich Eisen:Geno Smith is week 17 if he's still around right there. Unless the guy who's throwing all these interceptions against the Bucs in preseason practice right now takes away that opportunity. But again, he's the king of, you know, I never wrote back for those who wrote off. So, and Kevin O 'Connell, again, he's been there. He's bounced around the league as a quarterback. himself. Obviously, it didn't all pan out for him. I'm not sitting here saying J.J. McCarthy is going to be the next coach of the year for the Minnesota Vikings one day or somebody else. I'm just saying is just got to inhale and then exhale and know that you can get a chance week two, week three, week one.

18:53Rich Eisen:Got to be ready. Career and season is not over for this guy, But you got to give it up to Kevin O 'Connell, who was basically like, okay, we're going to go through a process, and I'm not going to sit here and go, well, we'll start. One guy against the Giants in preseason, week one, and then we'll start another guy in week two. And between weeks two and three, I'll take some time to take a look at anything, and then I'll figure out who the guy is. And then we'll figure out who's going to start against Green Bay, and I'm not going to say it because I don't want to give Green Bay any ideas. Screw it.

19:28Rich Eisen:All the reps are going to Kyler. Mastery of the system. Kudos to him. See how it works out. 844-204-RICH, number to dial. Speaking of teams that wear purple, the Washington Huskies head coach Jed Fish is going to be joining us next. We're going to talk some college football with this man. This is the Rich Eisen Show on a Wednesday.

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22:45Rich Eisen:Jed Fish, University of Washington, head football coach here on the Rich Eisen show. Our radio audience just returned, and we've been just chopping up about all the guys on whose staffs you've been on throughout your career. And just one last one I want to linger on is Sean McVay, who is now, I believe, first time, is he finally 40 years old? I mean, it's kind of crazy in how long he's already done it. You were on his staff for a couple of seasons, if I'm not mistaken. What did you see there that makes him better than most? Oh, man. Well, I was there year two and year three, so we went to the Super Bowl in his second year and had an unbelievable season, 15-3.

23:32And then the next year, we missed the playoffs. We went 9-7 at that time. And then, but his ability, his ability to provide stability in the program, in the franchise, his ability to connect with players. We obviously all know about his intelligence and his ability to see offensive football. But, you know, I just still can, you know, I always go back to, and he says it's a quote from his dad. I've just, because I've always talked about it from him, is that you compete with schematics, but you win with people. And I think that Sean is so good at connecting with people that it's kind of been our secret sauce here over the last five or six years of what type of relationships can we build in and out of the building to be able to have the type of success that Sean has.

24:23Rich Eisen:Well, listen, it helps that some of the people are Miles Garrett, right? But the bottom line is that when Garrett shows up here and Aaron Donald suddenly has his pilot light lit again, he wouldn't be attempting it if the coach that's still there is somebody he couldn't stand, right? Yeah, there's no doubt. I mean, when I was there, I remember bringing Ndamukong Su in to Nobu in Malibu and sit down with him and Sean explaining to him why, you know, he should sign a contract to be with us. Then we brought in Dante Fowler, you know, who was the fifth overall pick for the Jags. Then we brought in Clay Matthews.

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25:04Then we, you know, brought in, we had Marcus Peters and Aqib Talib. So when you're able to attract so much talent, they're obviously attracted for a particular reason. And the reason is his ability to connect with them. So, sure, Miles Gett and Jalen Ramsey going through the program as well a few years back. I mean, there's just such talent that constantly goes through the program. And his willingness and his ability to connect with the greatest players that's ever done it, the Aaron Donalds of the world, the Miles Garrett, the Matthew Staffords, the Cooper Cups, but also his ability to make everybody in the building, in the program, in the organization feel good is a trait that I hope to one day be able to achieve as well.

25:52Rich Eisen:Just real quick before we move on to you and your program in college football, what's your favorite Aaron Donald story of what you saw him do close up? I'll tell you, my favorite Aaron Donald story doesn't, it has to do with the fact, we had a practice squad right guard and I was running the look team. And for like three plays in a row, Aaron was in the backfield before you could even like look back up. And I just like, obviously I was messing around, but I just ripped this guy and I'm like, can you block this guy, please? I mean, what are we doing? Number 99 is in the backfield. And Aaron just looks at me and just smiles.

26:31He goes, he ain't blocking me. and I go I know but we got to pretend we're trying to block you otherwise we can't even get a playoff uh and he just he's such a good dude uh Aaron is and when I got the head job he was one of the first to text and I just always appreciate what type of person he is that's awesome Jed Fish here

26:51Rich Eisen:on the Rich Eisen show okay so where are you right now uh for the season here yeah so we're uh we We just finished our fifth practice, our third straight with pads on. Tomorrow we'll get back at it again with full pads, and then we'll take a softer day, and then we'll have our first scrimmage. And we're in a good spot right now, knock on wood. We have a very healthy team, a team that's really loving to be around one another. Our quarterback's in a great place. That's really what I like the best is where he's at mentally, where he's at physically. And then we have a lot of returning starters. We have 16 returning starters.

27:30We have one of the youngest teams in all college football. But with that being said, I really love the way our guys are playing, the energy they're playing with, and the passion they're playing with.

27:41Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, the place that your quarterback is physically as a returning starter, Jed, That is in and of itself kind of news, or at least it was back in January, in terms of DeMond Wilson and what he was doing to try and depart, then come back. And then lawsuits were being talked about from Washington's point of view. Clearly, pages are turned between then and now. But DeMond Williams. But the issue here, is there an issue anymore? No. No, it's just, you know, I kind of said in the Big Ten media days, like, I mean, this to me is like a one day or two day holdout in the NFL. Like, who cares? You know, keep it moving.

28:30He's in such a good place with the team, with the staff. You know, it was what I think like January 14th to January 16th or whatever it was. Right. You know, the way he's handled himself with the media, the way he's handled himself with our donors, the way he's handled himself with our players, with our coaching staff. I mean, he's in such a good spot. I just love watching right now the way he's playing. I think he's a different guy because now he's going into year three in our program. He's now going into year two as a starter. That's just different. He's got 16 starts under his belt. And, man, I just think we got a special kid that's going to do some really cool things if we do a great job of protecting them.

29:20And I got to do a great job of calling plays and putting him in position to be successful.

29:25Rich Eisen:Well, I'm glad to hear that, obviously, because the last thing you want is that. But I have to ask, certainly in this day and age, Jed, where NIL and Transfer Portal is so front and center and Congress may get involved and, you know, the SEC commissioner is saying this is not a ploy if we're thinking about taking our ball and going somewhere else. And the Big Ten commissioner and Tony Petiti is talking about 24 playoff teams and it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger and the dollars are right there front and center. but you're really at the cross section based even on that 48 hour period about contracts and what's enforceable and what's not.

30:02Rich Eisen:So you'd be a perfect guy to ask the question, what rules do you think need to be put in place here to move forward collectively? Well, I think, you know, the number one thing we have to do, and I've been saying this for years is we have to start with making coaches contracts enforceable. Um, when we don't have coaches contracts enforceable, we send such a bad message um now what we use is buyouts right we use buyouts but we don't have in the nfl they make it very clear you need permission to leave um and and then the next part of it is we have rules that in the nfl you have contracts that you you don't have an option to leave until you get to that option year um and then the the team decides whether or not they're going to move on from you earlier than your contract because you're getting paid.

30:49You're an employee. Now, I know we don't use the word employee. I know we don't use the word pay-for-play. But, you know, what these kids are doing is they're getting compensated for, you know, for what they're doing. And we've got to make sure that we are able to have some rules that we all abide by. Now, for some reason, the college athletic world has always been, well, how do we find a loophole rather than how do we abide um i think it would be nice if we could just say the university pays x um if there's some reason outside of the cap that some player needs to receive some other marketing deal it has to be approved by some version of a commissioner league office or whatnot but outside of that like just find a number we need we personally in washington We need someone to tell us what the number is because we don't spend enough.

31:45So if we're going to spend, if we get to a high number, then hopefully that would mean that we can get to that number as well. Because soon they're going to get to a point where if you're only using third party dollars and a small pool or a smaller cap, there's going to be too many different levels of separation. So we need to be at that spot where they let us, like Congress said, hey, you can, you know, X amount of 20 something million dollars for retention, X amount of million dollars for revenue share, X amount of million dollars for women's sports and Olympic sports. And then let's figure out how we can have some version of a competitive environment where it where there's some parity in what we pay.

32:26Rich Eisen:And again, I don't want to get politics involved here, Coach. None of us really want to stray in those lanes, but reaching and hoping Congress does something. I mean, the Senate just took a month long break with this bill sitting there to be voted on and then sent over to the House. And then you're going to that's a whole different ball of wax. So it's like waiting for Congress to do something might not be the answer, especially, again, when there's scheduling as part of all of this, too. By the way, kudos to your school for making the Apple Cup a week one game for the first time ever. I mean, that's not a that's that.

33:03Rich Eisen:I mean, to put those emotions on the line right out of the gate is gumption. That's for sure, to say the least. Yeah. But then then you got the Big Ten schedule right ahead. I mean, all of this together, I just find it interesting that you're like, OK, it's got to start with your profession, right? That the buyouts don't that somebody can't just come along and say, oh, your buyout's just eight million bucks. Somebody who's, you know, in the oil and gas industry, say, or something in the alumni base can pay that and off you go. So you're saying it all starts there. I think so, because I think that regulates a lot of movement.

33:40and it also sends the right message right that contracts do matter because i have a really hard time you know getting over you know getting on to kids about not being able to do something when we're able to do it right that doesn't make a lot of sense to me so if somebody wants to lead it like for example we were talking about sean earlier one of the other 31 teams can't just decide to go hire Sean, right? I mean, it doesn't work that way. So why do we allow one of the other 63 teams or whatever, 30 teams that can afford, you know, some of us to go just get hired? Like, why not have some version of we're telling these kids we're as stable as they are?

34:24And then we could go to the next line of regulation. But if it's not Congress, then who is it? You know, then it's probably gonna have to be a breakaway. It's probably going to have to be a couple leagues getting together it's going to have to be 36 teams getting together whatever it might be and figuring out how to have a great football you know league and have it obviously partially privatized and partially public and go from there but right now this is not work you know it's working because we're all having great teams and great games but if we're going to other people every day or going to other courts to ask for a ruling it's very hard to have a stable environment where you can at least know what to plan for next year

35:12Rich Eisen:yeah certainly if uh coaches go somewhere else and then try to poach someone else's quarterback yeah exactly don't want to stay out linger on that too long but um let's talk about some of the guys that are in the next level uh cleveland fans are nuts about denzel boston right now um what do you and and also uh jonah coleman in denver what can you tell me about again your these kids and maybe your role in making sure they're they're set up for the for the future yeah i'm so excited from the things that i've heard and read and uh what we've done is we we found a way to try to like demonstrate to our players like hey look at this article you know about Denzel finding his way with the first team or Coach Munkin talking about Denzel in a press conference and how prepared he's been or Coach Payton saying that Jonah Coleman doesn't come across as a rookie.

36:08You know, that all to me demonstrates that those guys embrace the be a pro standard here and the be a pro model. And it doesn't matter where they got drafted, second round, fourth round. What mattered was they came in there prepared to be a pro and then they're being rewarded for that. I think the same is going with Carver Willis in San Francisco, from what I understand. He's having a great camp. Takario Davis in Cincinnati, great camp. And I'm just so excited about the fact that those guys and, you know, Zach Durfee, I talked to Liam the other day down in Jacksonville, how he's doing. So it's pretty cool to have relationships with all these coaches that have taken on our former players.

36:53obviously so proud of T-Mac being the offensive player of the year you know we had him recruited him, coached him in Arizona from last season so I take great pride and I love all of our former player successes and it's been super cool to watch it certainly with Denzel and Jonah have gotten a lot of the headlines recently over the last two days.

37:14Rich Eisen:Yeah no doubt about that for real I mean for Sean Payton to say somebody has shown up like a pro doesn't look like a rookie that's a manhole cover being thrown around you know what i mean right oh yeah you know yeah i told him that too i told joan i said for coach payton to say that yeah uh keep doing what you're doing and then just keep doing it better yeah that's right and i assume liam uh cohen is the a rams connection right that yeah liam and i you know that hallway zach taylor shane waldren liam cohen chris shula um you know that was zach robinson those were like the seven offices in a row was a pretty sweet hallway to be in and uh wade phillips being across the hall joe berry uh i mean it was just a pretty special hallway that coach mcveigh was able to put together and i was fortunate uh to be there yeah liam did you hear what he had to say about nobody's talking about the jaguars i don't know if that filtered through your uh your world you saw that i mean i love that yeah i've seen 40 pictures of caleb williams on nfl on the nfl site nobody's talking about us he's something else this guy man he's great he is Liam is awesome he was uh we've worked together for two years uh he's awesome well good luck I mean again I I'm not just saying it Washington State Apple Cup week one that's some serious business certainly since you know you know they're gonna want an extra piece based on what happened with the with the Pac-12 right they're going to want a piece.

38:46The way the game went last year. We got to be ready. We got to be ready and we got to play our best. You got to start on a high note and to play the rival in week one and then play your rival in week 12. You got the rivalry sandwich going. We got to make sure we do a great job there in week one. Our team knows it.

39:05Rich Eisen:The defending champs coming in your final home game of the season as well. Oh, yeah. With Indiana and Cignetti coming in. before you visit Oregon at the end. So this ain't easy. It ain't easy. But hopefully maybe I'll run into you when you're down here in Los Angeles on that first weekend in October, Jed. That'd be awesome. Love to see you, Rich. It's always great connecting with you. Always great. Thanks, man. I appreciate you. You bet. Right back out there. Right there up in the beautiful Pacific Northwest. Jed Fish, the Washington Huskies head coach right here on the Rich Eisen Show. How about that?

39:43Rich Eisen:Hey, let's take accountability as coaches first. You know, some rich alum just like, let's throw a few million bucks here and coach is gone. See you. Adios. Adios. And hey, if we, it's true. Every coach can be had in college football. Every coach can be had. That's a great point. No one gets mad when they change teams. Right. And then rosters get changed. Yep. I just took my shot there. Everybody thinks that the institution that came to DeMond Williams was from a certain spot in Baton Rouge. I don't mean Marshall's Southern University. Oh, got it. Because, you know, Marshall's just one of the coaches in Baton Rouge.

40:29Rich Eisen:Sure. Just the clear. I just want to throw that in. Schmane Liffin? Jed's got a good sense of humor. He can handle that sort of tweaking. but uh that's seriously uh washington versus washington state right out of the gate michigan used to play uh notre dame to start the season which was great until notre dame started warming up for by by getting somebody like right somebody i mean don't look past you can't look past that team because michigan's right around the corner that guy and then and then and then notre dame cuts and runs a couple years ago oh yeah by the way right over there that's what i suggested last week about what could happen to your big game which is well what michael ohio state michigan week one early on in the season never gonna happen i'm sure they said the same thing about the apple let me just tell you this uh and i'll ask you mike real quick because we got to take a break yeah would fox which has the game between michigan and ohio state every year would they want that game at seven at night or straight up at noon when would they want it if they had their druthers.

41:34Rich Eisen:If they had their druthers, would Fox want the game at night or right up straight up at noon? I have to think they'd want it at night. Correct. What do you think Michigan and Ohio State tell them every year? Not a chance. Because that's the way it's always been done. That's the way Bo and Woody did it. Yada, yada, yada. Those guys are dead. It's not up to them anymore. I'm well aware of that. I'm well aware of that. Let's take a break. 844-204-RICH number to dial. When we come back, Chris Brockman tells me who else is dead. Coming up. The Rich Eisen Show. The podcast.

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43:03Rich Eisen:Back here on the Rich Eisen Show. Hi, right. The first time at LinkedIn Hiring Pro. Get started by posting a free job at LinkedIn.com slash Eisen. Sean Gary is making his way to our studio. My power rankings of all the teams in the National Football League to crack the top 10 going into the preseason games. That's coming up. And my, I mean, there's a lot of Green Bay here in the air. It's a Green Bay four downs day, former Green Bay Packer, now Dallas Cowboy Rashawn Gary coming in. Nice. And Brandon in St. Louis is here on the Rich Eyes. Do you want to get this right? Brandon, you there? Hello.

43:44Rich Eisen:Hello. What's going on, Brandon? Hello. How's it going? I'm good. What's on your mind? Good. I wanted to do the Packers win-loss, But I just want to say before, Rich, I am a big fan of your book. I know you like the crap on it, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Whoa. Okay. All right, Brandon. Thank you for that. That's old school right there. It's ancient. Yeah. The book's a little bit – it was a passion project, so thank you for saying that. You've made my day. And there's another one coming on the draft next year, by the way, my latest book. I actually went back to do that again. All right, so you want to do a Green Bay Packer.

44:28Rich Eisen:All right, I have the paperwork right now in front of me. Green Bay Packer, win-loss game right now. Brandon in St. Louis here on the Rich Eisen Show. What happens when they take on Kyler Murray in his new home digs in week one? What happens? That's going to be a win. Ah, then you visit the Jets. That's going to be a win. 2-0 on the road to start. Home opener, Thursday night football against Atlanta. That's going to be a win. 3-0 visiting Tampa. We're going to take a loss here. 3-1 home for the Bears. That's going to be a win. 4-1 home for the Cowboys. That's going to be a big win. Oh, big win.

45:08Rich Eisen:Should have you call back in when Rashawn Gary's sitting here to say that. 5-1 at the Lions. That's going to be a loss, too. 5-2 home for the Panthers on a Thursday night. That's going to be a win. That's now 6-2 at the Patriots. It's going to be a loss. 6-3, home for the Vikings. We've got J.J. McHandoff starting. That's going to be another win. J.J. McHandoff has been called. 7-3, off the bye now, at the Rams on the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. It's going to be a big loss. Big loss. Okay, 7-4 at the Saints. It's going to be a win. Back. We're back. 8-4, home for the Bills on a Sunday night.

45:54Rich Eisen:It's going to be another win. What a game that is. 9-4 home for the Dolphins. Win. Against the former coach there, right there. 10-4 at the Bears on Christmas afternoon. Oh, Bears. We're going to sweep the Cubbies. Oh, boy. Okay. So that's 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10. 11-4 home for the Texans on a Monday night. We're going to win. 12-4 home for the Lions. And we're going to finish up with a win. 13-4. Woo! Says Brandon St. Louis. That is a... And, Rich, I'm a Wisconsin fan, so pretty much every quarterback we've had, you could, you know, put McHandoff at the side. Okay. No disrespect. Okay, no disrespect.

46:39Rich Eisen:So just somewhere Scott Tolzien's like, what the hell just happened? Scott Tolzien driving. Thanks for the call, Brandon in St. Louis. There he goes. That's the only off-the-top-my-head Wisconsin quarterback. There's many other ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. J.J. McHandoff? I mean, not inaccurate. Not inaccurate. What are you talking about? J.J. McHandoff. Ask the Washington Huskies fan base. Ask the Dallas Cowboys fan base. Ask the Bears fan base. He wasn't J.J. McHandoff on Monday night. Yeah, he was a proper quarterback. He was. Put some respect on his name. J.J. McHandoff. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast.

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Rich reacts to Vikings Head Coach Kevin O’Connell and Kyler Murray’s comments about how Minnesota’s QB competition shook out. Washington Head Football Coach Jedd Fisch and Rich discuss the Huskies’ season outlook under QB Demond Williams Jr., the future of college football in the NIL/Transfer Portal era, reveals which coaches he’s worked for have greatly impacted his career, says what sets Rams HC Sean McVay apart from other NFL coaches, and weighs in on the early training camp success of his former players Browns WR Denzel Boston, Broncos RB Jonah Coleman, and others.  Rich plays the ‘NFL Win-Loss Game’ with a Green Bay Packers fan.
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