Hour 1: World Series Game 3’s Wild Ride, plus FOX Sports’ Mark Schlereth

28 Oct 2025 · 47 min · 18 chapters

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In short

Episode topic: Rich Eisen and guests recap an epic 2025 World Series Game 3 (18 innings) and then shift to NFL talk, focusing on the Kansas City Chiefs’ turnaround and AFC/NFC playoff outlooks.

Guest backgrounds

Mark Schlereth is a FOX Sports NFL analyst and three-time Super Bowl champion. Buster Olney is an ESPN MLB columnist. Paul Feinbaum hosts The Paul Feinbaum Show (college football).

Key claims

Game 3 was the most wild postseason game, with multiple baserunning/outfield/cycle moments and a Freddie Freeman walk-off HR in the 18th. Schlereth argues the Chiefs are “playing better than anybody” in the AFC right now, with offense and defense fully clicking. He also praises the Patriots’ coaching and the Colts’ balance; he argues MVP should go to non-quarterbacks.

Notable examples

Bo Bichette pickoff after an umpire timing error; Otani homers and is intentionally walked repeatedly; Clayton Kershaw gets a bases-loaded extra-inning out; Freeman’s walk-off gives him most World Series walk-off HRs.

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Duracell and the GOAT

0:00 to 0:31

Learn about the unique qualities of Duracell batteries and their connection to top athletes.

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Duracell and the GOAT

0:34 to 0:56

Learn about the unique qualities of Duracell batteries and their connection to top athletes.

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Setting the Stage for Game 3

1:29 to 2:32

Rich introduces the topics of the day, focusing on Game 3 and its significance.

“From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles.”

Recapping an Unforgettable Game 3

2:32 to 4:00

An analysis of the thrilling events and pivotal moments in Game 3.

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Incredible Plays and Unforeseen Events

4:00 to 8:00

A detailed breakdown of the remarkable plays and events that occurred during the game.

“game three could prove to be the most pivotal, certainly based on what we saw last night.”

Historic Moments and Game Statistics

8:00 to 14:00

Discussion on the records set during Game 3 and the overall impact of the game.

“until the game four starting pitcher for the Dodgers ties the game with his second home run of the night in the bottom half of the seventh.”

World Series Game 3 Recap

14:00 to 21:03

Discussion of the thrilling Game 3 of the World Series, highlighting key stats and moments.

“most of them are all dodger fans probably arm wrestling to see who could create this graphic for us here on the program.”

Otani: A Unique Player in Baseball

21:03 to 21:56

Analyzing Shohei Otani's impact on the game and the strategies around him.

“Even in the postgame, Otani is like, I just want to go home and go to sleep.”

Football Insights with Mark Schlereth

23:59 to 28:00

Mark Schlereth discusses the NFL season, focusing on the Chiefs and Broncos.

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Analyzing the Chiefs' Playoff Potential

28:00 to 29:00

Discussion on the Kansas City Chiefs' playoff performance and potential success.

“and it could be the umpteen time AFC champion Chiefs, are they for real?”
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Coaching Strategies and Player Development

29:00 to 30:20

Mark Schlereth shares insights on coaching strategies and player growth.

“He's throwing the deep ball with unbelievable accuracy and effectiveness.”

Colts' Dominance and Team Dynamics

30:20 to 32:20

The effectiveness and balance of the Indianapolis Colts in the current season.

“And they've got an MVP at running back who is unstoppable.”

The MVP Debate: Who Deserves It?

32:20 to 34:20

A conversation on who should be the MVP, considering non-quarterback candidates.

“Minnesota had Sam Darnold, who's playing kind of at an MVP level, if you will, or all pro level.”

Evaluating NFC Teams and Their Potentials

34:20 to 36:00

Mark and Rich evaluate the leading teams in the NFC, focusing on the Packers.

“Mark Sharath here on the Rich Eisen show.”

Officiating Challenges in Modern Football

36:00 to 38:20

Discussion on the issues with officiating, particularly around the tush push play.

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Wrap-Up with Mark Schlereth

38:20 to 39:40

Mark Schlereth shares final thoughts and experiences from the NFL.

“We can't officiate any play consistently.”

Chiefs' Recent Performance Analysis

40:41 to 42:00

In-depth analysis of the Kansas City Chiefs' game performance and player milestones.

“It's just a question of how far they're going to go.”

Chiefs' Performance and Playoff Prospects

42:00 to 46:30

An analysis of the Chiefs' season, their current standings, and playoff implications.

“to Kelsey on that milestone and his 83rd career scoring touchdown ties Priest-Holmes for the most in Chiefs history.”
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0:31Rich Eisen:This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere.

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1:29This is the Rich Eisen Show. This game was incredible. From the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Kelsey ties Priest Holmes. Today's guests, Fox Sports NFL analyst Mark Schlereth, ESPN MLB columnist Buster Olney, host of the Paul Feinbaum Show, Paul Feinbaum. And now it's Rich Eisen.

1:55Rich Eisen:We're thrilled to have you call and talk about, obviously, the game three for the ages last night, the Monday night football, Kansas City Chiefs dismantling of the Washington Commanders. Anything going on in the NBA? Anything on your mind? We're here for you. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. We've got Paul Feinbaum on this program. We figured let's get a voice of college football, quite an opinionator to say the least, on what's going on with all these buyouts, all these coaching gigs that are now wide open in some spots across the college football landscape that previously were spots that people wanted to coach.

2:32Rich Eisen:And as I mentioned, there's you at 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-TO-DLE. Good to see you over there, Chris Brockman. How are you? Good morning, Rich. How are you? How are you, Jason Feller? Good to see you. I bet you are. TJ Jefferson, I see the candle is lit. What up, though? Good to see you all over there. And again, we're here for you. 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-TO-DLE. Now, listen, we are obviously a football-centric show. We love our baseball. But listen, there's very few things that would knock a Kansas City Chiefs Monday night football victory as they continue to get better and look like the AFC champion again and look like the Super Bowl contender that we've gotten them used to being.

3:10Rich Eisen:There's very few things that would just knock them off the front page, if you will, of this show. But listen, you know when playoff series happen, and certainly the World Series go down before they start. Seven-game series, you see the two words next to games five, six, and seven, if necessary. Very rarely has there been an asterisk next to a game three and say a game three B if necessary. A second game was necessary last night. An entire second game was necessary last night. 18 innings worth. Two different nine-inning games were necessary last night. to decide the, normally game fives are pivotal, but when 70 % of game three winners in a World Series tied one game apiece go on to eventually win the World Series, game three could prove to be the most pivotal, certainly based on what we saw last night.

4:06Rich Eisen:And it was more than just, again, a pivotal game of a World Series. It was one of the wildest games we will ever see. and that you know isn't recency bias that's a fact and i think we kind of got the sense last night that this was going to be unlike any other game when in the second inning bo bachette gets picked off of first base because the home plate umpire and mark wegner takes a little bit of extra time to call strike two on a three one pitch to dalton varsho who thinks it is ball four starts to walk to first base uh beau bichette celebrates the ball four by pirouetting and facing right field not knowing oh wait a minute the umpire did call strike two i'm now pick offable and sure enough tyler glass now flips to freddie freeman and he's out i've never seen anything like that and i'm 56 and i've been watching baseball for as long as I can remember and that was just the beginning because a couple base hits after that the Blue Jays still don't have a run and then former Blue Jays T Oscar Hernandez score gets the scoring going in the bottom half of the inning with a home run and then in the third inning

5:32just the first of many unicorn things the game four starter hits a home run game three

5:39Rich Eisen:for the Los Angeles Dodgers. Shohei Otani homers to give the Dodgers a 2-0 lead, and that inning ends with Freddie Freeman thrown out at home, which was just the beginning of the cycle of getting thrown out at bases we were seeing last night. Literally, everybody got thrown out, it felt, at every base last night during this 18-inning game, fourth inning. Lead-off walk to Vlad Guerrero Jr. Bo Bichette hits one right to Tommy Edmund, and it goes underneath his glove, and Bo Bichette is running so slow, he makes Giancarlo Stanton look like Ricky Henderson. So that's a surefire double-play ground ball that's now in right field with two guys on.

6:29Rich Eisen:Of course, Alejandro Kirk is going to hit a three-run home run to give the Blue Jays the lead, and he does. I mean, this fire hydrant is unbelievable.

6:44Rich Eisen:And the Blue Jays add on another run on a sack fly. It's 4-2. Max Scherzer's on the mound, by the way. Future first ballot Hall of Famer for the Blue Jays. He wasn't the only one with such a resume to pitch in this game. Scherzer gets pulled. and a game four starter hits an RBI double and scores the tying run when Freddie Freeman knocks an Otani. Honestly, I cannot stress enough of what absurdity we're seeing from Shohei Otani. So it's a 4-4 game, sixth inning. Teoscar Hernandez is trying to get to third. He gets thrown out at third. first guy to get thrown out at third on the night innings over it's a 4-4 tie going into the seventh Bo Bichette knocks in Vlad Guerrero Jr.

7:44Rich Eisen:who scores by sliding head first and getting his hand in just before Will Smith can tag him out and I don't know how a man that size can just put his hand down and then hop up which he did to celebrate the Blue Jays having a one run lead until the game four starting pitcher for the Dodgers ties the game with his second home run of the night in the bottom half of the seventh. By the way, John Schneider had seen enough of Otani. Maybe for the rest of this series with a bat in his hand and the opportunity to swing it. Smart. Tied at five. Blue Jays top nine after they threatened Sasaki in the eighth.

8:32Rich Eisen:Varsho hits a screaming liner that goes off of Freddie Freeman's glove into right field and IKF. Kyner Falefa thinks, I'm going to third. Tommy Edmonds slides from his second base position towards the right field line to grab that ball, hops up and throws a seed to Max Muncy to nail IKF at third base. for the second out wiping out the blue jays threat and begins to redeem himself for that error earlier in the game game goes to extras top of the 10th lucas of the blue jays lines a double to right david schneider who looks like somebody i had 15 cards of in 1975 in the tops pack right the way he looks with that mustache and the glasses very 80s ball player honestly it felt like i had 15 of him in a tops pack in 1979 he's thrown out at home by a wide margin on a hernandez throwing edmund who makes another seed of a throw to will smith the blue jays tried a challenge to say that smith blocked the plate but i'm glad that was upheld he kind of did well he did when he fielded the ball he didn't and so when he's when you feel the ball you need to not block the plate right which by the way we were having described to us by the umpire former umpire that the uh i like that that was a good element it's great but john smoltz asked a follow-up question and he's answering the question as a batter is hitting right if that ball leaves the yard true fox has got an umpire nobody's ever heard of talking about a rule analysis i'm sitting there that was the most nerve-wracked i was for the television broadcast top of the 12th the jays load the bases and unbelievably dave roberts wants to go lefty lefty on lucas and the guy he's bringing in from the bullpen is clayton kershaw for not only his first ever extra inning appearance of his career, but a bases loaded situation to boot.

11:04Rich Eisen:And he gets Lucas to ground out as Edmund can only make this one play by grabbing the ball with his glove and flipping it with his glove to Freeman at first while Sandy Koufax is watching. what the hell Sandy Koufax was there watching Kershaw get the one out they needed from him and his wife who probably went to the game thinking oh this is great I'm just going to go to the game come out to the game come out to the coast now suddenly her husband's in the highest leverage situation possible and he gets out of it did you think he was going to blow it Dude, we all know what his history is. Answer the question.

11:52Rich Eisen:I thought it was possible. I don't want to register on you. I didn't. You're the only one. I've had some belief that there's just no way he was going to go out like that. And then we're settling in. Everybody's trying to swing from their shoes and end it. And sure enough, Will Smith, I thought he did. He thought he did. Everyone did. It all lands in the glove of Varsho in left center field. Freddie Freeman almost had one. It's the Oscar. And every single time Otani's coming up, John Schneider's saying he is 100 % not hitting right now. And a game four starting pitcher reached base all nine times last night.

12:39Rich Eisen:Got shot nine times. Nine.

12:44he's starting the night and sure enough like listen if you could have put on a piece of paper

12:54Rich Eisen:when this game went to extra innings how is it going to end right if you could put on a piece of paper how will this game end i swear to you i swear to you i would have written down freddie freeman walk off home run Maybe that's the PTSD in me from game one of last year's World Series is a Yankee fan bringing my boy Cooper Evan Eisen to the game only to watch that home run streak across our perfectly our field of vision down the right field line. And sure enough, in the 18th inning with Yamamoto just two days removed from his complete game, warming up in the bullpen in case he's needed in the 19th inning for the first inning of game three.

13:40Rich Eisen:of game three not needed as freddie goes yard straight to center field game or that is correct that is correct and the final numbers of game three of the 2025 world series i think we have it i think every single person who works at home uh on the rich eyes and shore most of them are all dodger fans probably arm wrestling to see who could create this graphic for us here on the program. Second longest game in postseason history. I think your game, what? Red Sox-Dodgers of the 2018 World Series? Game three, 2018. That's TJ and I watched the game. Six hours, 39 minutes long. Freddie Freeman now has the most walk-off home runs in World Series history.

14:24Rich Eisen:In back-to-back years, he's done it. 19 combined pitchers used, 609 pitchers thrown, 37 combined runners left on base. And one of my favorite moments of the night was Tom Verducci with a report for the broadcast, basically saying, hey, guys, we're running out of baseballs down here. I had no idea. I wasn't even thinking, like, are they going to have enough? Is someone going to have to run out to Big Five down there and Chavez Ravine and knock on the door and say, open up? I know you're closed. We need more baseballs. What, do they go get Warren? Right? Stupid. Take Warren's baseballs. Hey, baby, ball.

15:04Rich Eisen:I don't know. Just go to the fans in the stands and say, hey, we need that back. There's a callback rule in the World Series when it goes a gajillion innings. All those fouls you guys got. Can you just throw something back? Can you throw something back, please? Warren. Did you want to say Warren? The last stat. Again, it's Otani. He's amazing. Otani is the Game 4 starting pitcher. did i mention he's starting game four tonight just to say and he reached base nine times in a row because and just again let's talk about this for a few minutes at one point i think it was either taylor or xander asked a great question while we're watching this game which is um is there a rule in baseball about the number of times you can intentionally walk somebody and i you know mentioned no and the question of why came back and that's not a bad question to ask it really isn't chris because i understand there's a unicorn aspect of this we haven't seen it since barry bonds i mean aaron judge on occasion will get walked intentionally with third base open i understand that um but the fact that and baseball can discuss it you know that do you want to take the bat out of the hands of the one person that maybe every casual fan willing to stay up till one in the morning 12 30 in the morning two in the morning you know if these things happen that the other manager could just say four and the bat's taken out of his hands but the fact that john schnett this how this out of everything about otani can describe just how remarkable he is and how one of one he is.

17:03Rich Eisen:John Schneider was putting Otani on base intentionally, willingly, saying take it. In a tie game. In walk-off situation after walk-off situation after walk-off situation of a World Series game with Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman up next. That's not just like some 200 hitter. Pick your poison. Well, Mookie is probably less than that. No, I mean, Mookie is not, but he still bets. And you don't want to make, if you will, a bet on this will be the one time he doesn't turn it around. But come on, and Will Smith is no piker either. You're asking for a big inning. You're asking to not get walked off.

17:49Rich Eisen:That's true. By the best player in the game. By the way, I'm not saying he was wrong at all to do it whatsoever. ever but are you advocating for this or do you are you just throwing it out i'm throwing it out okay as john schneider was talking about afterwards his strategy and and basically it looks like you're you're done seeing otani as a hitter who's going to get a chance to swing the bat in this world series we're trying to pitch around them you know what i mean and uh you trust sir anthony to to make pitches to do that. And sometimes for pitchers it's hard to do that, you know, when you're kind of trying to throw a ball and didn't put it where you want to put it.

18:29But, you know, he had a great game. He's a great player. But I think, you know, after that, you just kind of take the bat out of his hands. And not to give away secrets, but that's pretty much what we should expect going forward. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

18:48Rich Eisen:Yeah. Yeah. Now, again, you, Chris, texted the group during the game. Is Otani better at baseball than Tiger was at golf when Tiger was at his best? Yeah, that was an interesting text. The early 2000s when he was just dominant. Wearing my shirts on everybody. Tiger slam. Yeah. Yeah. Great question. Great question. Because he also makes it look so easy. So did Tiger. I know. Otani, by the way, one of the few thrown out at second base last night, too. on a stolen base because the first intentional walk, he stole immediately and got thrown out because he overran the base because he's nine feet tall and can run like a deer, and that base isn't big enough to stop his momentum.

19:32Rich Eisen:And IKF wisely kept the tag on him. Good play.

19:39Rich Eisen:And if that's the case, if you think it is, golf courses started making their holes longer because of Tiger. They Tiger-proofed. the game. They tried. They tried. And so if that happened, then maybe, just maybe, you come out with a rule where you can't intentionally walk somebody more than three times in a game. Make the stadiums bigger. No, no, no. That's the comparison. Because it's not just that. It's not just the home runs. It's also doubles, triples, singles. But they didn't make the holes now par threes and they're 500 yards. I got you. I'm just throwing it out there. I understand. Because you want to see him hit.

20:18Rich Eisen:You want to see him hit. And after a while, you're going to just do that. Are they really going to do it the rest of the World Series? I hope so, actually. So leading off the game, they're just going to walk him? Yeah, why not? You want to be down 1-0? Or do you want to have a guy on first? It's unbelievable that we're having this conversation. Because Bonds didn't lead off. No. But had he... They probably would have walked him. They definitely would have. It's unbelievable. I just think we saw kind of a one-off. Like, we're not going to get another 18-inning game. There's only been two in World Series history.

20:48Right. You know? And I just wanted to point out the last time the Dodgers won an 18-inning World Series game at home with a walk-off home run. The Red Sox won it anyway. The other team won the trophy.

20:58Rich Eisen:From the AL East. So, I don't know. I mean, we'll see what happens tonight when Otani starts. What do you expect tonight? Because you kind of saw it. These guys were so exhausted. Even in the postgame, Otani is like, I just want to go home and go to sleep. do you think it's going to be a crisp game tonight are we going to have no runs that's the beauty of baseball it's the next day even though it's the same day um and and and we will see but you know it was crazy what we i can't i mean it's just this guy is magnetic he's magnetic he's telegenic he is so likable and i'll tell you the biggest winner outside of anybody else in the Dodgers organization last night was Michael Buble who got played nine times.

21:46Rich Eisen:It's the walk-up music. Does he get residual? I don't know. I hope you do, Michael.

21:53Rich Eisen:Intentionally walk him on Spotify. Jeez, what a night. All right. Let's take, oh, by the way, we've got Buster Olney, who is at the game for ESPN Radio, coming in here in our number two. What it is right now. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial right here on Disney +, the ESPN app everywhere, and ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. All right, so we'll talk football. We'll talk about the Chiefs Monday night or anything else with our friend Mark Schlareth back here on The Rich Eisen Show. The Rich Eisen Show podcast.

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23:49Rich Eisen:Call an audible on your debt today at SoFi.com slash debt play. Loans originated by SoFi Bank N.A. Member FDIC. Terms and conditions apply. NMLS 696891. Fast funds terms apply at SoFi.com slash debt play. mark slareth here on the rich eisen show back on espn radio presented by progressive insurance three-time super bowl champion all right mark um i don't think we're needing to wonder if the chiefs have turned the corner anymore the question now is how far can they go super bowl right i mean like we're seeing it sure we're seeing it in front of us right mark yeah well yeah yeah when you talk about how balanced they are right now how good they are right now like it's been it's been hey man that you know it was the offense that led them early in in kind of the Patrick Mahomes era and then it was the defense for a while and then you know and and now it's hey the defense is good and the offense is struggling and now and now they got all their weapons back the wide receiver position and Travis Kelsey's got some pressure taken off of him because you've got you know Rasheed Rice back and and you know you got Hollywood Brown who's healthy and now their running game all of a sudden is a little bit better and you watch what they were able to do even last night, and they put the whole thing together.

25:06And now it's a complete team. And even your first two drives, you've got Mahomes throwing interceptions, but then all of a sudden they put it together and they just roll. And the no-look pass and the amount of protection he had, the Chiefs are legitimate, and I think they're probably, even though they don't have the best record in the AFC, of all the teams that I've watched and studied, I think they're probably playing better than anybody else in the AFC right now.

25:37Rich Eisen:Can the Broncos knock them off, though? I mean, what we're seeing from them right now is exactly why the bandwagon filled up during the summer of people thinking, hey, the Broncos have got a real chance here. And they started fast, finally, on offense this past week. And Bo Nix is beginning to put it together. and the defense just handed Dak Prescott his lunch in a way that few have been able to do this year. So what do you think about the Broncos' ability to win this division anyway, Mark? I still think they have a shot. And Bo Nix is playing really good football. Last week was the first time he hit the deep ball, and he was money on target on the deep ball last week, which was the first time all season long that he's been able to hit that.

26:24And they actually ran the ball effectively. And they pared down to me some of the things they did they've been doing in the run game. They pared it down to where they had kind of a like concept, whether it was duo or power or counter. You know, double team is a double team on duo on power and counter. It's the same thing. So they had some like concepts that they coupled together, kind of pared down the run game a little bit. They were really good in the running game. The Pat Sertan thing is legitimate, man. It scares me a little bit. He could be out three to six weeks with a pictorial injury. He just shuts down one side of the football field and gives them the ability to bring the blitz, gives them the ability to rush the opponent's quarterback to lead the league in sacks.

27:08They've done that two years in a row right now. They're crushing everybody when it comes to pressure in the quarterback. A lot of that has to do with, you know, this symbiotic relationship between coverage and what Pastor Tan brings to the table and what you do as a defensive front. So that part scares me a little bit, Rich. How long will he be out? I don't know. But yeah, they're playing pretty good football right now. And, you know, you got the Chargers here as well.

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27:34Rich Eisen:Looks like three teams can make it from the AFC West as we're hitting the midway point of this season right now as we're crystal balling it. And then if you don't win the AFC West, you might wind up the five seed. or if you don't win the AFC East, you wind up the five seed. And that's something we did not say coming into the season. You just saw the Patriots. If the Patriots take on one of these teams that we just mentioned from the AFC West, and it could be the umpteen time AFC champion Chiefs, are they for real? Can they do it in the playoffs, do you think, on the road if necessary, Mark? Yeah, you look at the Patriots right now, and kudos to Mike Vrabel.

28:19He's got them playing great. Josh McDaniels is a phenomenal play caller, a phenomenal just orchestrator of offense in general. And it's time to quit saying, hey, Drake May is, you know, one of the best young quarterbacks in football. He's just one of the best quarterbacks in football, the way he's playing right now. And there's so much room for growth. Rich, there's so many times where you watch Drake May, and it's the front side of the progression. It's one to two, and then it's take off and run. One to two, take off and run. One to two, take off and run. And they're implementing and trying to get him to go one to two to three, take off and run.

28:58And so there's so much room for growth, and they're so excited about it. He's throwing the deep ball with unbelievable accuracy and effectiveness. and they're like they are playing great not good football but great football and it's really interesting you know I think back to the Parcells days and having played against Bill Parcells all those years you know when he was with the Giants and then he was the Patriots and then he was with the Jets and always watching him bring along like Steve D 'Asi and Pepper Johnson right and his guys to implement his system and you know when when Bill Parcells is going to go off on you These guys can help manage the locker room in those situations.

29:41And then I see Brable, and he's got Harold Landry on one edge, who is with him in Tennessee. He's got Spillane playing middle linebacker for him, who is with him in Tennessee. He's got Jack Gibbons, was also a middle linebacker, a backup player for him. So he's brought these guys along with him to say, hey, man, it's kind of this Parcells feature. like I got my guys and we're ready to go to battle together um he's a really he's a really good head coach and you know he's tough he coaches him hard but he builds relationships with those guys I think he's doing a I think he's doing a phenomenal job if it wasn't for what Shane Steichen is doing in Indianapolis right now he'd be my leader in the clubhouse for coach of the year

30:25Rich Eisen:finishing up our AFC talk Mark um the Colts sit atop the conference and for good reason They're as well-balanced as any team that I've seen in recent years. And they've got an MVP at running back who is unstoppable. They're going to pack their bags, though, now. They're at Pittsburgh this week, a home game against Atlanta, but that's in Germany. So they're going to go from Pittsburgh all the way to Germany, a bye week before they visit Kansas City. And I think that's where rubber meets road, right? because they've got their, the rest of their games are against their own division, two against Houston, two against Jacksonville, and then two against the NFC West.

31:07Rich Eisen:And that could be some of the top teams, obviously, in that division. But barring injury, they're the favorites to win this conference right now, aren't they, Mark? Yeah, and they're playing great. You know, it's so funny because, you know, I'm such an anti-wide receiver guy. You know, wide receiver, I think I've told you this before, like children, you know, I mean, one, they're completely dependent on everybody else doing their job, too. They whine and cry and piss and moan if they don't get fed. And so, you know, that's that's how wide receivers operate. And then you look at, you know, and I hear this all the time.

31:43Well, who's the number one? Oh, no, they don't have a number one. They got to go get a number one. You know, you got Alex Pearson, you got Pittman and you've got Downs and they've got really good players. But there's nobody. You're not you're not confusing any of those guys for Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson. It's control line of scrimmage. Run the ball. Open up your play action game, your RPO game with Daniel Jones. That's what they're doing. And they're controlling both lines of scrimmage. And they are right now playing as good as anybody in the NFL. And like you said, have the fast track to the number one seed in the AFC, which is absolutely incredible.

32:24And think about Minnesota, Rich. Minnesota had Sam Darnold, who's playing kind of at an MVP level, if you will, or all pro level. And they had Daniel Jones in that building. And they decided to go with a young kid that wears a lot of eye black. I get that you draft kids and I get that you're trying to implement them. But boy, I tell you, those two guys they let out of the building, that's hindsight being 20-20. It seems like a mistake.

32:56Rich Eisen:Well, two follow-up questions. First one, when you say the analogy about receivers being kids and that you just tell them to do their job, what's the job? Is it going potty? Is that the analogy? Eating what you're supposed to eat? Is that the job you're referring to with kids, Mark? Yeah, well, it's all the above job. It's parenting. You've got to parent. I understand that. Yeah, my kids are in their late 30s now, mid to late 30s, early to late 30s, and I'm still parenting. Of course. You're never over. It's a job that never ends. But the real follow-up question is, is in your mind Jonathan Taylor the MVP of this league entering week nine, Mark?

33:38Oh, I would love that. I would love that. No, no, no.

33:41Rich Eisen:Who is yours? You can make it so. No, no, sure. Yes, Jonathan. I'll give it to Jonathan Taylor. I love that. I hadn't thought about it up until you asked me the question. Sure. But because, like, quarterbacks don't play football. Quarterbacks play quarterback. That, to me, I hate the fact that we just give – it's like the Heisman. The Heisman goes to a quarterback. I hate that, right? I quit watching and paying attention to the Heisman when Terrell Suggs had 24 sacks one year and didn't even get invited to New York. Stop it. It loses all credibility to me. And so I want to see football players, guys who actually play football, I'd like to see those guys win MVPs because they deserve to win MVPs as opposed to just giving it a quarterback every year.

34:28Rich Eisen:Mark Sharath here on the Rich Eisen show. and then in the NFC the Packers do lead the roost in record do they lead the league for you, the conference for you, are they the best team in the NFC because after them it's just a host of teams that have a shot including the Lions, I mean we were talking before about the AFC that if you win the AFC East you could be either a two seed one seed or the five seed, same thing with the AFC West that happened with the NFC North last year and it sure could happen again where you either win the division in the one seed or you're going on the road to start the playoffs in a wildcard weekend, Mark?

35:08Yeah, I don't think there's any question. You know, I thought Green Bay, the first couple of weeks of the season, I thought they were playing the best of any team in football. And then they scuffled a little bit, but they had a lot of injuries. They just got Christian Watson back. They had injuries at the receiver position. I tell you what, nobody's playing better than their tight end Kraft. He's just been amazing. But I remember doing a game, I think week three, it was Washington and the Raiders. And Washington had just gotten beat up by the Green Bay Packers. And Cliff Kingsbury telling me, I've never seen a faster team like in person.

35:45Like their ability to rush the passer, their ability to just play flat foot reads and say, you're not going to get the ball off before we break on it because ultimately our pass rush is going to get there. and they got their health back on the offensive side of the ball. They're going to be very tough to beat, no question.

36:05Rich Eisen:All right, lastly for you, Mark, I said on the program yesterday after Jalen Hurts clearly fumbled the ball on a tush push and it was ruled a stop of forward progress as if he hasn't been stopped with his forward progress before and the play winds up with him eventually being shoved in the end zone a couple of beats later, a couple of Mississippis later. i'm saying that this is now we've now reached the zone of this being thoroughly um unofficialable but that's a real word yeah you can't officiate it so i'm done with it what about you mark what about you yeah i i was i was like i i like i love i love the physicality i do too man i hear you too and i i don't want to be one of those people's like you know they do it best everyone else can do it so you're trying to prevent everyone else from doing it but you can't officiate it properly you can't officiate whether it's a false start if it's off sides or now in the case of of this a fumble and when forward progress is stopped so so my issue with it from the start is i love it as a football play i think it's great um and it really wasn't the officiating it was the hypocrisy of the play because i played in a time where we used to shove a dude through the line of scrimmage on pt field goal in special teams.

37:19So we got, there was a guy that would be in the A-gap. I would stand behind that guy. We'd get our tallest tight end or defensive end, and I'd stand behind. I'd shove him through the A-gap and try to block the field goal. And the league deemed that as too dangerous. So that became illegal. Okay, how is that different than the tush push then? So it's illegal to do it on special teams. Okay, let me get it straight. it's illegal to do it there but on offense it's fine and and the hypocrisy that's not congruent that's why i ban it is the lack of congruent nature of the play is exactly why i would ban the play

38:00Rich Eisen:yeah i again that was a clear fumble and if you're not if you're saying all right that was forward progress then then then his forward progress has been stopped on at least half of these and then you allow it to keep going which i understand that you do that i understand that you do that so if that's if if we can't officiate it properly and now you can't officiate it consistently then it's to the bet another benefit to the team that runs it well yeah um yes is what i'm saying so that's why i'm done with it rich i completely agree with that but i will say this uh at the risk of getting in trouble.

38:38We can't officiate any play consistently.

38:42Rich Eisen:I got you. All right, well, we're out of time, Mark. All right. Hey, man, always great to have you and enjoy your sojourn to Las Vegas, and we'll have you on real soon again, as always. All right, sounds good, buddy. Ladies and gentlemen, everybody check out the Stinkin' Truth podcast with Mark Schlereth, and of course, Mark, when he calls games on Fox. He's awesome at it. 844-204-RICH is the number to die. My two cents on the Chiefs and you also chiming in before Buster Olney stops by in studio to talk about that epic game three.

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40:53Rich Eisen:And the reason why that is, is they're fully constituted. Rasheed Rice is back. He's fully integrated. into this offense. Kareem Hunt is coming on the field as a running back when Pacheco needs a break or the Chiefs are inside the 10 and they need a battering ram and he scores twice last night and Mahomes, even when you get him off the spot, is making the plays. Even when you pick him off twice in a row to start the game, first time that's ever happened to Patrick Mahomes is a professional first two drives of the game interception on both he's only been picked off on consecutive drives in the same game five times in his entire career and that includes the playoffs even when you do that like the Washington commanders you're losing by 21 obviously being an arrowhead helps but Travis Kelsey is looking like the Kelsey that we we know even when he is sometimes not catching the passes that Mahomes is sending his way six catches for 99 yards and a touchdown his 100th career touchdown congratulations to Kelsey on that milestone and his 83rd career scoring touchdown ties Priest-Holmes for the most in Chiefs history.

42:17Rich Eisen:As he also became the fifth tight end in NFL history with 80 or more career receiving touchdowns. Congratulations to him on all that. As Mahomes joins Peyton Manning, he's the only players with 40 ,000 pass yards in his first nine seasons, including the playoffs. And he tied Dan Marino for the most games with three or more passing touchdowns in a player's first nine seasons. But that's, you know, the larger picture and what we'll be talking about when both of those guys go into Canton, Ohio's first ballot Hall of Famers when they get the chance. But it's just this year what we're seeing. What we're seeing is a defense that can get you off the field and be opportunistic, and we're seeing an offense that's just on tilt.

42:59Rich Eisen:Mahomes is 100%. I mean, in terms of quarterbacks from start to finish this season, in the mix for Offensive Player of the Year, because Jonathan Taylor is the MVP, right? yeah it's now a race it's now a race for offensive player of the year sure i like i think we're gonna we're gonna go with it at this point in time until further notice um but you know they're not even in first place in their own division that's a lot to say um because the way that they started and the broncos have caught fire they're a game behind the broncos they're in third place because their five and three record um isn't as good as the chargers because the charges have already beaten the Chiefs that's the way the season began and then you know the rubber begins to meet the road now for Kansas City they're at Buffalo always an epic game the Bills just came off of a 40 point domination they've scored 40 points in a dominating performance against Carolina so they're feeling really good about themselves and they always feel good about themselves when they play Kansas City in the regular season Chiefs get a bye then they're at Denver and home for Indianapolis before they visit dallas on thanksgiving and a houston home date before they see the chargers again so what i'm saying right now is corner turned check that box how far are they going to go the next six weeks will decide whether they can actually host games in arrowhead or not and if they go on the road in the playoffs can they do what they did a couple years ago which is go on the road in the playoffs, it doesn't matter if they make the Super Bowl and win it anyway.

44:42Rich Eisen:Because they certainly have those horses. They certainly have them. I'm not telling any tales out of school on that. No, sir. And right now, if the playoffs began now, the Chiefs would be the seventh seed going to New England. And I proffer to say that's probably not the first home playoff test you'd want Drake May to have. I don't think that's who they want to see. That would be who the Chiefs are talking about. Yeah, they don't want to see Drake May. But I mean, you take a look at everyone else. the Chiefs over the last month have played better football than the Chargers, the Bills, the Steelers.

45:15I don't think this is the order. On overreaction Monday, I said, look, the seven teams in the NFC, that's a lock.

45:21Rich Eisen:I don't think these are the seven that are going to be in the AFC. Well, the only pushback I would give on that is I think the Patriots, you do make it. I think the Chargers, Bills, Chiefs, Broncos and Colts make it. I just don't know what the Steelers are. Agree. That's the one I would say. And the one that's not even on the screen is sniffing it, as we call it here on the Rich Eisen Show. It's not in the hunt. You're sniffing it. And the it is the playoffs, just so everyone understands. We're a kid-friendly show. Absolutely. The Ravens at 2-5 are the team that I would peg as the one to run down the Steelers who have the Colts in their house this weekend.

45:58Rich Eisen:They're going to have to go on a heck of a run, though. And they will. I also don't think the Chiefs will be the seventh seed. I think the Chiefs can win the division. And if they beat the Colts in a couple of weeks, have a shot at the one seat again. That's how well they're playing. I mean, Rasheed Rice is just beginning to scratch the surface. And you're wondering about how you could still work at Juju Smith-Schuster. Check that box. Kareem Hunt, check that box. They were all doing work last night. Hollywood Brown, Xavier Worthy, look out. The Ridge Eisen Show Podcast. Uncovered windows can make your home feel up to 20 degrees hotter.

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Rich reacts to the Dodgers-Blue Jays epic World Series Game 3 that ended after nearly 7 hours with a Freddie Freeman walk off home run after 18 pressure-packed innings.

NFL on FOX analyst/’Stinkin’ Truth’ podcast host Mark Schlereth and Rich discuss the inconsistency of Jacksonville Jaguars QB Trevor Lawrence, if the Denver Broncos or Kansas City Chiefs will come out on top in the AFC West, says why Drake Maye and the 6-2 New England Patriots are legit contenders, why the Indianapolis Colts’ offense is firing on all cylinders, if the Green Bay Packers are the class of the NFC, and why he dislikes the Tush Push.

Rich weighs in on Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs’ Monday Night Football domination of the Washington Commanders.
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