Hour 2: Browns Stun Packers, More Baker Bucs Heroics, Backup QBs, Dabo’s Meltdown

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1:55Rich Eisen:on Hulu. So we're all about watching it on the family of Disney networks. And he's going to be joining us. We've got a great celebrity, true or false there. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. We talked in our number one about the Eagles beating the Rams and then the Giants taking one on the chin against the Kansas City Chiefs. Tyrone Tracy is out for the foreseeable future now, Christopher, as we lead off our number two. Yeah, dislocated shoulder. He's going to miss quote sometime. Sometime. So it's a scadaboo season. and the Giants like what they see out of that kid and I'm sure Giants fans are like oh man, Jackson Dart handing off to Scadaboo and throwing Malik neighbors is the way we're going to start winning some football games around here but Jackson Dart is not going to be walking through that door next week because the Los Angeles Chargers are coming in and they are killing it we'll talk about the AFC West in our number 3 including the Chiefs win on Sunday night 844-204-RICH number to dial let's take josh in new mexico's phone call here for the uh moment uh 844-204-rich is the number to dial have a conversation with us here certainly for listening to us on espn radio presented by progressive insurance what's up josh that's fine yes we're on josh what's up oh not much thank you for calling first time long time it is an honor to talk to you uh Hello to the boys in the studio.

3:18Thank you. What up, Josh? Just riding on a high from a Victory Monday for the Bears. First time in what feels like a decade. And just wanted to hit a higher register and say, I think they may be above 500.

3:35Rich Eisen:Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate that. What do you think the bar is for Caleb to get some of the haters off his back? I'll hang up and listen. Thank you so much. Look at Josh giving the whole business of long-time listener, first-time caller. I'll hang up and listen. That is just some top-notch caller in the radio show type of language. Not this first word. Listen, the Cowboys' defense is problematic. Yeah. We saw Russ go for 450 against him in week two, and Caleb have his first sackless game since college and four touchdowns. So, you know, there'll be a conversation. Can he do it again?

4:12Rich Eisen:their next game is against Vegas which is now lost two in a row after a surprising season opening win in New England and so that's a pretty darn big football game for both nobody wants to go one and three the Bears lost their first two the Raiders have lost their last two so obviously the Bears have good momentum coming in you just got to keep stacking them keep stacking them get that whole pre-snap business that they've had problems with all last year and a little bit the first two weeks out of their system. Didn't see a lot of that. Keep spreading it around. Be able to go through your progressions.

4:51Rich Eisen:Don't take sacks. Run the football well. Let the defense do its takeaway thing. And win football games. Like, it's that simple. And there'll be the conversation. Is it the Dallas defense or is it Caleb? It can be both. Like, Caleb did what he's supposed to do against the Dallas defense. And it's not like that's the only way he's going to do it. through the first two weeks all we got out of caleb that looked good was the first 15 scripted can he do it outside of the first 15 scripted yeah he just did it on on uh sunday well can he do it against the defense that's not named dallas well we'll see against the raiders honestly um so just keep stacking them the problem is there's a lack of patience because

5:37Rich Eisen:we're waiting for the development that you would think a second year player doesn't have to go through. But you're not seeing regression. You're not seeing it worse than last year. You're seeing a progression here. Now. And you're seeing Roma Dunze doing things. So you check the box if you got that right in that first round as well. okay so let's see what goes from here at least we're not talking about putting the arm wrestling's kit in right you're not talking about going over the top i like it i like that thank you no in all seriousness i mean tyson bajin has got some talent that's the reason why they gave him the contract that they gave him and and but this is going to be caleb's show and you got to stick with it last year was just so dreadful that you want to see instant progression like everything's fine we're good we're in a rocking chair now that's not the way the nfl works got to expect the unexpected on occasion and that's the way i turn to the green bay packers i thought about putting the packers one in my power rankings last week because of the way they looked and you're like okay let's see what happens when you get outside of the confines of Lambeau Field.

6:50Rich Eisen:And in the same way I just said, well, Caleb looked good, and a lot of people are going to be wondering, can he do it against another team not named Dallas after Dallas' defense just gave up a ton to Russell Wilson and the Giants in a way that we did not see the Commanders give up in Week 1 or the Chiefs give up in Week 3 Sunday night. and in the same way we were talking about the lions and the commanders let's see what they can do when they're not playing the packers we might learn that whoever plays the packers looks pretty darn bad the next uh that day but looks better afterwards and the lions prove that point potentially is a narrative that has some they're there to it in week two and boat racing the bear the Bears and we have yet to see the commanders um we see the commanders played without Jaden Daniels we've kind of yet to see the commanders full strength coming off of Green Bay but the commanders played much better defensively they were living in the Raiders backfield on Sunday so maybe it's just playing the Packers and in the same way those things might all be true maybe the same could be said about the Browns defense I know I just went high register because that brown i'm not going to go high register here the browns defense is real yeah it is real and um spectacular yeah spectacular miles garrett's doing his things and you know uh i know the browns got a lot of grief for trading away the rights to travis hunter seems like a good move uh i was telling everybody as much as i love travis hunter and you know that and you want to have spectacular players that bring in people into your tent to watch.

8:46Rich Eisen:Mason Graham's no joke. And defensively, they are killing it right now. The Cleveland Browns are absolutely taking care of business and taking people straight out as they held the Packers to a season low 10 points and 230 total yards. that Browns defense is allowed under 250 total yards in each of their first three games this year. The only other team to do it are the Packers because the Browns offense wasn't lighting any fires other than Quinshawn Judkins getting a start and coming up with the one score the Browns needed. And then, stop me if you've heard this before, where the game on the line and the Packers going up, potentially go up six with four minutes to go on a team that was points and yards challenged, a blocked field goal.

9:37Rich Eisen:Flipped the script. And the Cleveland Browns beat the Packers. The first time an NFL team has come back from a 10-point deficit with under four minutes remaining and won without needing overtime since the Titans two years ago. And would you care to hear this stat? Cleveland Browns fans. who are dying for a win and were wondering with four minutes to go, is this season completely lost? Have we completely lost our minds with our quarterback decisions? And where are we going to go from here? And what are we going to do?

10:18Rich Eisen:The last time the Browns had a 10 or more point comeback with a win with under four minutes remaining was when Tim Couch did it in 2002 against Steve McNair and the Titans when they won in overtime. that's it that's the stuff so it's been a while since you've seen it and now we're let everyone sit there and wonder what's wrong with the packers for this week that's what you get in the nfl right when jordan love ties his career high with five snap five sacks they couldn't protect him um josh jacobs they finally stopped his 11 game streak of scoring at least a rushing touchdown, including the playoffs.

11:00Rich Eisen:It's his fewest rush yards in a game with the Packers. 30 rush yards on 16 carries. Hey, I think we're just going to learn you better pack your lunch pail and hard hat when you're playing the Cleveland Browns this year. And next up for them are the Lions. We'll see what happens on Monday night tonight. And they're going into Ford Field where I think they play much better. I think we can say that even though they've only played one game, we haven't seen what they've done on this Monday night, the Browns can start scoring some touchdowns. This defense is going to carry some days, man. And the 55-yard field goal from Andre Schmidt, you know, it was a four-letter word in week one.

11:53Rich Eisen:It's the longest successful walk-off field goal in the history of the Cleveland Browns. Wow. So we saw some stuff that we've never seen from the Browns ever, and also since Tim Couch did it. And so they've got to feel good about themselves. Packers, NFL media, go in as much as you want on them. Whatever. I bet you LaFleur is just going to be sticking it right in their faces all week long. This is Matt LaFleur afterwards. Well, that was extremely disappointing. I knew going into this, like it was going to be a dogfight and it was going to be a challenge. And what's disappointing is, you know, I felt like you could argue that we lost the game offensively by making a critical error in a critical situation.

12:43And so, you know, that's a tough build as well.

12:47Rich Eisen:You know what? Teams don't go 17-0 for a reason. There's clunkers every year. Every year. every single year. There's clunkers. Don't forget last year's Philadelphia Eagles started 2-2. They started 2-2. Whatever. Everybody go in all you want on the Packers. I just know they're showing up to Dallas next week and their new teammate, they're going to be playing for him and he's going to be playing with his hair on absolute fire. Macca. And this is... I'm sorry TJ I'm not doing this just for I'm not doing this for trolling on you I really am not I promise you this is the worst result you would want to see for the Packers coming into the school you would much rather have oh the Browns are terrible they boat raced they're now 3-0 this was exactly what maybe a doctor orders when you look back on it some guys in the locker room feeling good about themselves let's just roll out the footballs and roll over the Cleveland Browns and they got rolled over on offense.

13:53Rich Eisen:What was the score of that playoff game a couple years ago, TJ? The Cowboys back? Green Bay and Dallas? Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember old stuff. It's going to be something like that. Again, I'm not worried about the Packers. What if the Cowboys are everybody's get-right team? I don't know. They're not that bad. They're not that bad. They're not that good. Well, defensively, again, when you trade away one of the best pass rushers in the game with zero plan to supplement it other than let's see what Jadavian Clowney's doing. Let's have him, maybe he was on the two of watching Disney Plus plan.

14:29Rich Eisen:I don't know. You know, like that's, you know, you're going to have issues rushing the passer if you're trading away Micah Parsons and then the back of the defense is not healthy and doing well, you're going to, well, whatever. The Packers, I think, are going to go in on Sunday night and they're going to really hit the Dallas Cowboys in the mouth. Yeah, I might go to the movies tomorrow night or next Sunday. Okay. I ain't watching that. I'm sure there's nice things for you to sing. Probably. Unconcerned about the Green Bay Packers. Mike, you want to go hit a bar in the South Bay? No. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial here on the program.

15:06Rich Eisen:And let's talk about another 3-0 team in the National Football Conference. Our boy Baker. Did it again. Stop me if you've heard this one before. So the Packers are getting ready to kick a field goal to go up two scores late in the game. And the other team blocks the field goal and returns it for a touchdown. Have you heard this story from week three? Insane. How it happened over and over and over again. So many times. I think, I don't know who's just chronologically. Chronologically, I don't have Scott Hansen here to tell me about this particular part of witching hour in the early window of week three.

15:51Rich Eisen:I don't know which one happened first. I think, did Jordan Davis happen before Will McDonald jumped? Good question. I mean, he did the same thing. He did the same thing as Jordan Davis, which is jump into the backfield, right up the gut, block it, return it for a score. and god bless aaron glenn he was just having his his moment running up the field and then doing a fun dance i don't blame him man you're owing two and you're like this thing could be over right now wait a minute the special teams to the rescue uh and and um you know i think we're learning and i'm not going high register on this either i think we're learning you best not leave too much time on the clock for baker mayfield right yep certainly when he's got he's he's grinding an axe that you didn't know existed he he is leading league the league right now and grinding axes that you did not know existed uh we'll get to that in a second but for the third straight week baker mayfield takes the time left on the clock by his opponent and beats them over the head with it.

17:06Rich Eisen:Just the fourth quarterback since 2000 with three game-winning drives in the team's first three games of the season. The others are named in order. Last one to do it was Tennessee's Ryan Tannehill in 2020. Before that, it was Matt Ryan in 2015 for the Falcons and then Nick Foles for the Eagles in 2014. And Baker carried it four times with 44 yards, including a backbreaker. towards the end where the Jets just thought he was going to go out of bounds or slide, and he kept running. And he kept running, and now he's got four straight games with 30 or more rush yards. Would you believe in this league with running quarterbacks and dual-threat quarterbacks, that's the longest such streak in the NFL?

17:52Rich Eisen:Baker Mayfield's doing that, and he was doing it. And the final drive without Mike Evans, who appears to have suffered his, unfortunately, annual soft tissue injury. and the Bucs are now 3-0 for the first time since 2005. They've won their division five straight years and they didn't start 3-0 any of those years. Three straight wins in 2025. All of them have come on a game-winning drive courtesy of Baker Mayfield, who's getting stuff from Bucky Irving. And how good is Emeka Obuka? He is currently your offensive rookie of the year through three weeks. I think he's leading that pack right now. Marion Hampton had a nice game yesterday, but for three games.

18:36Rich Eisen:So there you go. The Bucs are 3-0. And the Jets with Terod Taylor performing well in place of Justin Fields and Garrett Wilson getting 84 receiving yards and a score in that Will McDonald, the fourth block field goal. I was watching the game with Cooper, who was crying in his soup, if you will. wasn't crying and he wasn't having any soup that's just a metaphor that i'm sure a 14 year old wouldn't get um he was upset about all the fumbles of his patriots and he turns to me he goes hey look at what the jets are doing i'm like do you see how much time's left on the clock and um baker did it and who knew um that um he was doing it because the new defensive coordinator for the Jets.

19:26Rich Eisen:He and Steve Wilkes have a history. I loved it. And it's also their D coordinator was the one that cut me in Carolina. So a lot of stuff was personal today. Hassan Reddick, former Jet. A lot of people.

19:40Just throws in Hassan Reddick.

19:42Rich Eisen:Oh, yeah. Let's get Hassan Reddick. By the way, Todd Bowles got fired by the Jets. I think that's the time that we pop up the petty list right now. Oh, is that right? That is some petty stuff right there, man. that's petty that is some petty guerrero right there you know you know it's it's it's not that you know what it is it's not the petty scale it's the we might have to come up with another scale um where the top of it is steve smith okay you know where where one slight yeah one but although i don't know if you call it a slight i mean getting cut in carolina by steve wilkes as the who was the backup quarter, backup coach, right?

20:23Rich Eisen:It was, pardon me, the interim coach. The interim coach says, it's so bad here, but guess what? It's still, in my mind, too good for you to be here. And he was also, as we know, Baker in Carolina was playing defensive end scout team. As he's putting his hands in the dirt saying, I need to be the best teammate I possibly can be. But he has to, in the back of his mind saying, what the hell happened to me in my career? and then he gets exit papers there he's got to fly across the country and win a game for the rams but i hardly know in the playbook and he's got to be wondering what is happening to me and but he leads the league in finding fuel to use and if he's using hassan reddick with the jets because the jets traded for him got him out of philadelphia and hassan reddick shows up i haven't played a snap for you yet but guess what i want more money from you honestly you gotta to think like if you're the jets you'll be like excuse me we trade a draft capital to take you from the spot where they wouldn't pay you and you haven't come here and done a thing for us yet can you show up and show out before we even consider adding a dime to your contract that one i gotta push a little bit back on but then again i also don't know the full scope of things baker probably does and it doesn't matter either way it's just if it's enough fuel for him to go out and say we're not losing today that works for them a 3-0 and the next one oh boy because if anybody comes in the game saying they've got something coming to them it's philadelphia for the bucks who have been always there whether it's closing veteran stadium and reopening the link or knocking Hertz out of the playoffs, they have got something coming to them in Tampa from Philadelphia.

22:16Rich Eisen:And guess what? Baker is standing in their way. What a game in week four. Because it's 3-0 versus 3-0, and the Bucs can put a card on the table and say to everybody in the NFL, guess what? We're for real. We're leading the conference at the quarter post point. it's there for them to take oh man and Rich if I'm not mistaken Gerald McCoy on game day I think in week one said the Bucks are four and one against the Eagles in their last five I'm telling you they've got their number that's what I'm saying if anybody in that game has got a chip on their shoulder coming in saying we've got something for you it's Philadelphia to Tampa and Philadelphia's got everything else that they've won you know also some teams are other teams kryptonite though And we'll find out.

23:05Rich Eisen:That is going to be a conversation all week. And Baker's like, I've got a cape. Okay? I got you, Chris, and I just stick it where the sun does not shine. Chris, I wonder who Baker has beef with in Philly, because that's going to be interesting. There's going to be somebody there he'll like. Somebody. You know, somebody who plays for, who played with the Texas or something? You know what? Maybe he, and I'm just the one. It's anybody. Name somebody that one person I would just counsel Baker to not have beef with is Big Dom. That's it. Just stay away from him. Big Dom got fined. Did he really? Did you see that?

23:33for what? Using his cell phone on the bench. Oh! Big Dom Stallions? Is that what you're saying?

23:40Rich Eisen:Big Dom's like, you know what? He's got to know better about Scrooge. It's like a picture of him too, just on the phone. Dom Stallions? All right, we'll take a break here. 844-204-H number to dial. Right here. On the Rich Eisen Show.

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25:54Rich Eisen:I'll put it all together. Am I right all the time? No. But I know now that we're on this platform, Disney +, ESPN, the app, ESPN Radio, I know there's more eyes on us in Bristol, Connecticut than ever before. For sure. We used to do stuff over the last 10 years. You'd let me know, hey, this show from ESPN wants this. Sure, of course. We said yes every time, right? All the time. Because we're, number one, that's my DNA is from there. And number two, just spell our name right. That's all we care about. Absolutely. Right, you know what I mean? I've heard you say it. Right, right, right. But now I know we got more eyeballs on us.

26:33Rich Eisen:So obviously I'd like to be right. And I also don't know what I'm saying here would create such a buzz sometimes. Just being myself. So when I said last week after Joe Burrow went down with that toe injury that was going to keep him out for three months, I remember Jake Browning when he took over for seven games and Joe Burrow being four and three. Jordan Palmer, one of our quarterback whisperers saying, hey, I've worked with Jake Browning. The guy threw for a gazillion touchdowns in college and high school. He's one of the best that I've been around who's not a starting quarterback. because he hasn't really had his opportunities.

27:14Rich Eisen:Just you watch. And sure enough, he went four and three. So I'm sitting here thinking, I saw that then. He also tossed a couple interceptions when he took over for, or three interceptions, right, in that game when he took over for Burrow. He's slinging it around. But Jamar Chase still got his. So I came out and I'm like, the season's not over. Right? Yeah, you were pretty adamant. The season's not over. Season is not over. Yes. Jim Morris Sr. once said that famously. Yada, yada, yada. The season was eventually over for the Saints. But Jake Browning. I know I even texted you over the weekend, Chris.

27:55Rich Eisen:I'll admit. My Jake Browning take that got picked up by a handful of shows and a handful of ESPN-related social sites. And we had Marcus Spears on Friday, and I brought it up to him. And he goes, you know, he was very nice. He basically said, kind of don't agree with your opinion there, but I see it. Well, Jake didn't back my play. He did not. Brockman and I had to text him something about it, too. Jake did not back my play. 140 pass yards, a passing touchdown, two interceptions, a passer rating of 63.8. Threw a pick six, damn near right off the bat. career lows and passing yards, attempts, passing yards per attempt, pass a rating.

28:42Rich Eisen:Jamar Chase just five for 50, but he didn't fumble once. A lot of everyone else was fumbling. It was a team effort. A lot of fumbling. That Isaiah Rogers for the Vikings, man. Man, that was one of the sickest plays I've ever seen. Isaiah Rogers had a pick six. He had a fumble return for a touchdown, and he created a fumble as well. He won Defensive Player of the Week for the NFC before halftime. And, you know, I'm sorry to whoever is playing defense for the Lions tonight. The bar is set for you to knock this guy out of the clubhouse for Defensive Player of the Week in the NFC. And so it all backed up the play of their backup quarterback and Carson Wentz.

29:24Rich Eisen:And the weekend of the backup quarterback, man, five of them started, three of them won. Carson Wentz. Wentz. He became the first quarterback to start for six different teams in a six-year span. And somewhere, Josh Johnson's saying, wait a minute, I didn't do that. Right? Wait, did he do that? I didn't do that? You know what I mean? If anybody has a record for starting for a whole bunch of teams in many different years, it's got to be me, right?