Hour 2: Cowboys-Giants Reactions, plus the MMQB’s Albert Breer

16:45Rich Eisen:in a way that I didn't see coming. But that back end of the defense, Diggs does not look like himself, man. It doesn't look like himself. And if they're also banged up on the back end, because Trent McDuffie is going to be coming through that door on Sunday night in New York and New Jersey, and we'll see what happens. I proffer to say it'll be a lot tougher for Russ to get done what he got done on Sunday in Dallas. But I just, for the moment, just tip my cap. The best thing about us, though, is it's about us. Which is kind of crazy. Normally you're on the same page. It was an awesome game. He played phenomenal.

17:22Rich Eisen:He did. Feels like a one-off. But if they can do that against Kansas City, they have a chance to beat them. And then Jackson Dart can just marinate. and guys just to clarify when I said Dax won 14 in a row that loss Andy Dalton started that game that wasn't a Dak Prescott game so 844-204 Rich is the number to dial here on the program Albert Breer has checked in let's take a break so we can check in with Albert Sports Illustrated and the MMQB a must read on Monday we'll get it verbally best we can coming up

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19:37Albert Breer:If, like, there's rule breaking on this or it's hard to officiate in that way, I think that adds another element to it. So I would love to, I think it was Jeff Schwartz, one of the former offensive linemen on Twitter, said something yesterday along the lines of like there's false starts on every one of these and i would i would actually like like to go back and take a good look at that too like is that happening on every one of these and it's just such a bang bang play that it's impossible to officiate whether somebody's you know got a false start here's the other part of it yes albert here's the other part of it yes they're not always pushing hurts like he doesn't always need the push So I don't know that the idea of going behind people and going behind the quarterback and pushing him would really materially change the Eagles' desire to do it.

20:28Albert Breer:I think they would still do it without the people in back pushing. So do you have to go even further than just having the push-pull rule in there? I don't know. I mean, one thing that was interesting from inside the meeting in March was how Rich McKay, the chair of the competition committee and the president of the Falcons, he had explained how when the rule changed in 2004 to allow this, it actually had nothing to do with what was happening at the line of scrimmage. This was about things happening down the field. And they thought it was too difficult to officiate this stuff down the field where someone would come flying in and it was hard to tell whether he was blocking an opponent or pushing his own teammate into the end zone.

21:14Albert Breer:So that's actually why that rule about pushing and pulling a teammate came out of the rulebook in 2004, something that had zero to do with what the Eagles are doing.

21:25Rich Eisen:Albert Breer, Sports Illustrated's MMQB is out there right now. We were just talking, starting on the Disney Plus ESPN app Everywhere side, about the tush push from the Eagles-Chiefs game being front and center. And now ESPN Radio, its audience has rejoined us. ESPN Radio presented by Progressive Insurance. Albert here. let's put a pin in the uh the eagles and the the chiefs and and pull that later on in our conversation let's start with joe burrow's foot and what's going on with it and how long you really think he's going to be out and what they might do about it i give you the floor i think three

21:58Albert Breer:months minimum um and this is a bad injury and i it's one of those unfortunate like it's like unfortunate how it's named because it doesn't sound that bad but it is you know it's like a high ankle sprain where it's um this isn't somebody like stubbing their toe like this is torn ligaments and he saw his second opinions and you know now he's gonna he's gonna have surgery it's gonna take him out for three months now um you know a couple silver linings here and the bangles are 2-0 so they have a little bit of a cushion um if you look at their schedule from now until and i i have it circled december 14th against the ravens is um i believe it yesterday was the 14th right so that'd be three months to the day yep um so december the 14th against the ravens could be a day they target for a turn and i i just have seen enough of jake browning where could he help them tread water like could they go because if they go because they had that two and oh cushion now say they can go six and five over that stretch now they're eight and five and if you look at their schedule down the stretch that ravens game's a big one but then it softens up after that that so um you know i don't think the bengal season is over and i think if joe burrow is a fast healer with this um and he can get back by mid-december um there is a chance that's they're very much in the thick of it um now the question becomes at what level do you go get reinforcements right like if you're the bengals um because jake browning's proved that he can he can help you tread water do you call the giants about james winston do you call the falcons about Kirk Cousins, like how much are you willing to spend to go and give yourself the best chance, the most important position on the field while Joe Burrow is out?

23:44Albert Breer:And I think that's an open question. I think they're discussing that today and what their plan is going to be. I would just say this, like, you know, I coming up in the league, coming up covering the league in the Brady Manning era, you know, I always think about how precious these opportunities are when you've got a quarterback like that and how it's incumbent on the teams involved when they've got a quarterback like this to make the most out of the opportunities they've had they have and so i think that's got to be part of the equation here for the bangles is this is you know you've got a rare rare quarterback in joe burrow and if there's a chance he comes back with uh with a shot to make it into the playoffs um then you have to give yourself every chance every every opportunity you can to try and get your team there in mid-December where you're still playing relevant games at the end of the season.

24:30Rich Eisen:I mean, it's silly to say, but it's seven weeks until the trade deadline. So that's a nice month and a half to try and see, you know, what Jake Browning can do. And we've already seen what Jake Browning can do. Not just the last time that Burrow was hurt, but I mean, I understand three interceptions will get you a little scared against the Jacksonville defense yeah but but brownie still winged it around man he winged it around dude i mean credit

24:56Albert Breer:credit to him though rich like i talked to him after the game and credit to him for throwing that pick in the fourth quarter and then and then turning it around and driving the team 92 yards and it wasn't like there was a big chunk play there they just sort of the old hank stram like matriculated the ball down the field and um yeah they had a couple breaks there there was the there There was the DPI on Travis Hunter that converted a fourth down. But, yeah, I mean, I thought Jake Browning showed everything about why the Bengals really like having him around and that he can step into a situation like that and he can ride bumps out.

25:35Albert Breer:And, you know, I actually think he deserves credit for riding the three interceptions out and being able to lead that 92-yard touchdown drive at the very end. They've got confidence in him in that building. And so, again, I just I look at their situation. I look at their schedule. I just don't think the season's over. You know, I think you're going to have to, you know, probably pull some upsets. Like you'll have to split with the Steelers, both the Steeler games or while Joe Burrow is out. I think that's reasonable to say, like, that would be one requirement. But I think they've got the team to do it if they can continue to improve on defense.

26:10Rich Eisen:All right, let's move on, Albert Breer, to the team that I mentioned in our number one is, I guess, of all the 0-2 teams, the one that's the hardest 0-2 might just be Miami with a team that gets blown out on the road to start the season. Two days later, they're having a team meeting. And five days after that, they lose at home by giving up touchdowns in almost all three phases to a Patriots team coming into a building that they've historically taken care of, even in the Brady era. So where do things stand in Miami right now? Certainly with a lot of people talking today about Tua's comments, Tyreek Hill needs to track his ball when he's throwing it, Albert.

26:52Albert Breer:Yeah. Well, let me take you inside the players only meeting last week. My understanding is that there was a message from the captains to the rest of the team about accountability. And it was about accountability to each other and accountability to yourself. And more or less, it was the NFL is going to judge you regardless of your circumstances, is regardless of your coaching, the NFL is going to judge you in a vacuum. And it's on everybody to take personal responsibility. And it's more or less closing ranks and saying this isn't about anybody else but the players. And sometimes that happens at the end for coaches.

27:28Albert Breer:So I think that message was received by the players in that building. The tough thing, I think, for McDaniel, and I really like Mike as a coach, and I've known him a long time. I think the tough thing for him is this narrative has been there for the last four or five months, like that some of the stars in that building ran wild over the last couple of years. And they spent some time this offseason in their roster building trying to clean all that up and that you would have this sort of issue after week one. And that sort of no show in that week one game against the Colts. And now you're 0-2. I think only further fuels the narrative.

28:07Albert Breer:The other thing that's just lingering out there is the fact that they're in the middle of a soft rebuild. Teron Armstead retired. They traded Jalen Ramsey. They've moved now from the phase where they had two on the rookie contract into now he's on a big second contract. And so they're going to be gradually relying on more young players over the next couple of years. And when a franchise does that, the natural question for an owner to ask is, are these the people I want leading the rebuild? And so if things don't go well early this year, those questions will naturally come up. So I think all of that is in play.

28:46Albert Breer:You've got a standalone game. You and I both know how that can affect things against maybe the best team in football on Thursday night in Buffalo. it's a lot and that's a big spot I think coming up this Thursday night for Mike McDaniel and another thing that's lingering here is the fact that his defensive coordinator Anthony Weaver is beloved inside that building and is seen by a lot of people as a future head coach so if there comes a point where this really goes the wrong way, could Stephen Ross say I want to take a look at Anthony Weaver as my head coach, I think he could eventually get there I don't think it'll be after Thursday night but I think they could eventually get there

29:24Rich Eisen:Yeah, I mean, ask Brandon Staley how a blowout loss in division on Thursday Night Football went for him a couple of years ago.

29:30Albert Breer:I mean, it shouldn't be a factor, but it is, right? The owners have to hear that. It's the only game on, and so it becomes bigger than maybe it should be sometimes.

29:39Rich Eisen:Albert Breer here on the Rich Eisen Show. What message do you think Dan Campbell was sending yesterday, huh? Against the Bears. And where do things stand for both teams?

29:50Albert Breer:I mean, what's so interesting about it, though, Rich, is like how like the whole we don't know crap in week one thing actually like kind of came to life with that because it's like if you if you put all of those pieces together okay the lions beat up on the bears and we thought the bears were pretty good because they hung the vikings but the vikings lost and then maybe the lions offense looking the way it did in week one was just how good the packers defense is because we saw how good that packers defense looked against the commanders so you're sort of putting some pieces together there um look like i i i talked to jamir Gibbs after the game and I thought one of them I thought the most interesting thing he said was our problem in week one was communication and if you think about it an offense on game day has three main communicators the quarterback the center and the coordinator and two of those three pieces have been pulled out right so you have you know going into Green Bay if you're Detroit a new center and a new offensive coordinator with Jared Goff back as the quarterback you're playing against a defense that is a new piece in Micah Parsons you have no idea how they're going to use them in a loud environment at Lambeau.

30:54Albert Breer:And so, you know, what Gibbs said was like our communication was really stressed and we didn't think we did nearly a good enough job of it. Then they come home, they have this motivation of everybody thinks we're dead now. Johnny Morton's got a game under his belt as the offensive coordinator and they have an opportunity to really put their foot on the gas. And I think there's this chip on their shoulder too, which I thought was kind of interesting. And I think you heard it when you, if you really listen to what Dan said during the week and after the game, you really heard it. It's like Ben Johnson is great and did an awesome job here.

31:29And I think they all respect him, but Jamison Williams is a

31:32Albert Breer:good player. I'm on Ross St. Brown's a good player. Panay Sewell and Taylor Decker are fantastic tackles. Sam Laporte is a great tight end. Jameer Gibbs is a really good running back. Jared Goff is a quarterback who's gone to conference title games with two different franchises i think there were a lot of players that felt like this was about us too this wasn't just about ben so i think it was a combination of you know the first two weeks of the season the adjustment and communication and then um and then i i think a a few guys at least a few guys in that building having a little bit of a hair across their ass about some of the perception on on how that whole thing was put together over the last couple of years interesting way of putting

32:13Rich Eisen:it right there uh did did russell i don't know if the dis your disney plus i think this is my

32:18Albert Breer:first disney plus appearance so i'm not sure if that's okay it's all good i think that line is

32:23Rich Eisen:in incanto too coming up uh listen um did russell wilson stave off jackson dart do we do we do that

32:30Albert Breer:or what what do we got yeah i mean i i i think what people aren't paying enough attention to here is the left tackle um the left tackle situation has really undermined where they thought they would be on the offensive line right now and you know obviously the offensive line didn't play great against the commanders in week one which I think screwed some things up offensively Andrew Thomas is still not back um so and they lost him after I think it was about six weeks last year they felt like their offensive line had made a lot of progress before then um so I just having talked to people there I'm not sure how willing they would be going to go to Jackson Dart anyway until the offensive line situation is sorted out, until they have their left tackle back.

33:14Albert Breer:But certainly, I mean, they've felt comfortable with where Jackson Dart is, and there's a quiet confidence to the idea that he could very well play pretty good, you know, as a rookie if they put him in there. And I think they showed that confidence by making him the second quarterback. You don't do that unless you're comfortable putting a rookie in a game. and it looks like in fairness like Russell Wilson really responded to a lot of that noise yesterday so best case scenario for the Giants is that that Russell keeps playing well and you know Jackson keeps developing and you know if Jackson looks like like he's really pushing him in week 10 week 11 and the team's winning that's a good problem to have I do have their schedule up though and I pulled this up when I heard you talking about it in the last segment Rich Kansas City, Chargers, at New Orleans, Philly, at Denver, at Philly, San Francisco.

34:08Albert Breer:That's between now and November 2nd.

34:11Rich Eisen:Right, and at Chicago, and one assumes that an eight-game run or nine-game run between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams will eventually start looking like the Caleb Williams-Ben Johnson connection that everyone in Chicago is hoping for. and then Green Bay and Detroit and then New England, which may not be the usual.

34:35Albert Breer:New England could be a lot better December 1st than they are now.

34:38Rich Eisen:Right, so I don't know when you would do something like that. I understand. Albert Breer here on the Rich Eisen show. Before we get to the Eagles and Chiefs, before I send you on with the rest of your day, Brock Purdy, is this a one-week sit-down for him? Mac Jones, I know, looked really good. The Niners are 2-0. There's three 2-0 teams in the NFC West, by the way.

34:57Albert Breer:I was told two to three weeks. So my sense is like maybe it's one of those deals where he gets back out there on the practice field and does light work at the end of the week. But my sense is like that they wanted to sit him out at least two weeks and maybe the third week. And this is the less serious version of turf toe than what Joe Burrow has. But I think he'll – it sounds like he's going to be okay. And I really like where the Niners are too. I mean, I think, you know, to be 2-0, given the amount of injuries that they've already dealt with and, you know, some of the things they're working through, they won't have IU until week 9 or 10 at least.

35:37Albert Breer:You know, so they, you know, McCaffrey's been banged up, Kittle's out. You know, and then you look at the amount of young guys they're playing on defense. The cool thing about the Niners right now, I think, Rich, is they could really develop depth over the course of the next two months. And the impact that Robert Sala is having with some of the young players on the defense, they really feel like that's going to take as the season goes on. So they've got a relatively manageable schedule if you look at it. And I think this is a team that believes, like I just said this about New England, I think this is a team that believes it's going to be a lot better come Thanksgiving, come Christmas, than it is right now because the amount of young guys they're playing and the amount of depth they're being forced to develop because of the injuries.

36:25Albert Breer:So I think Brock Purdy is back probably, and this is a rough estimate, I would say week four or week five. And as they start to work some of these injured guys back in, I think the hope would be that they're going to have a deeper team. And Mac Jones is part of that equation, too. You hit the nail on the head there. He played really, really well yesterday in New Orleans.

36:46Rich Eisen:Before I let you go, Albert, I would be remiss if I did not ask you your impressions of Eagles Chiefs moving forward. The Chiefs 0-2 for the first time in Mahomes' time, and the Eagles 2-0 again, now moving on to take on the Rams next week. What a big Week 3 game that is. I give you the floor. Your takeaways from that big game is what?

37:07Albert Breer:So my number one takeaway is, I mean, my goodness, the job that Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni and Jeff Stoutland have done developing that offensive line and keeping it as one of the strongest units in the league at any position. Right. Like, and I, I say that because I think the Eagles offensive line influenced the way the last eight minutes of that game were played. And here's what I mean by that. They were able to churn out that first down, which was ended with a tush push, but they got the nine yards to get in third and one with a couple of Barkley carries there, right? That allows them to take another couple of minutes off the clock.

37:43Albert Breer:Then they punt it away to the Chiefs. The Chiefs wind up driving the field and scoring. So that makes it 20 to 17. And here's the key. The Chiefs decided not to kick away. And I believe it's because of the Eagles offensive line. I believe it's because the Eagle, they did not think that they would be able to stop the Eagles on four straight plays because they thought the Eagles offensive line would be able to lean on them and get into one of those third and two, third and one situations where you're then able to push that thing over the line and end the game. And that concern wound up becoming justified when after the failed onside kick, the Eagles did just that.

38:20Albert Breer:So, I mean, to me, it's so impressive. They've lost a starter every year. They lost, you know, last year, Jason Kelsey. This year they lose Makai Becton. But that was the thing that stuck out to me, even on a day when the offense had less than 250 yards that offensive line won that game for them at the end so that'd be number one um the eagles would be there at the end we know that and i'm not counting the chiefs out yet at all my but my concern would be how much patrick mahomes is running right now i know mahomes doesn't want to run andy reid doesn't want him to run i feel like when you see him run this much as he's run the first couple weeks of the season you were there in brazil for it um it means they don't have the answers right now um now i think that they're just i mean the the the same principles i i i used in talking about the patriots for 20 years i use talking about them i think they'll figure it out um but you know like this is going to be a process and and how do you survive and keep your record where it needs to be over the next six or seven weeks so you can get rashi rice back so you can get savior worthy healthy so you can get josh simmons the experience that he needs as your left tackle.

39:28Albert Breer:I think those are the big things. And I trust that, that, that Andy Reed and Matt Nagy and Steve Spagnuolo on the other side of the ball, be able to figure it out. But this is definitely a little bit of a different challenge.

39:40Rich Eisen:Albert, you're the man. Thanks for the time. Greatly appreciate it. Look forward to our next chat already. Everybody check out the MMQB on sports illustrated from the great Albert prayer. You'd be well, sir.

39:49Albert Breer:All right. Thanks for it.

39:50Rich Eisen:That's Bert. Everybody right here on the rich show. We'll be back on ESPN radio presented by progressive insurance with our live stream on Disney Plus and the ESPN app everywhere after this.

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41:35Rich Eisen:LSU taking care of business against Florida. Four interceptions for that LSU defense. Boy, Florida, once upon a time after, remember we were sitting here saying after Arch lost to Ohio State, wait until they play Florida, it's going to be a big test. First of all, we're talking about Arch against UTEP. first and how it still doesn't look like him blowing the doors off of everybody. I think the Heisman Trophy conversation is definitely finished for Arch in Texas right now. I mean, it's going to take a monumental final two months of the season to get him back in that conversation. But anyway, long story short, we bring this up because Brian Kelly didn't like some of the questioning after the game, after they won at home against Florida in front of the whole country.

42:15Rich Eisen:He's feeling good about the way the team went. And somebody was asking him something that wasn't entirely positive about his team hit it. I know you love these immediate post-game sessions, but what are you seeing with your offense? Stop. Really? Is that the first question? We won the game 20-10. Try another question. What do you want me to tell you? I just laid it out for you. We played the game to win the game. We played the game to win the game.

42:44Albert Breer:Alright, how about third down then? What is going on with third down?

42:47Rich Eisen:It's one game. Last game, we were great on third down. You're micro. You're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU won the football game. Won the game. I don't know what you want from me.

43:02Albert Breer:What do you want? You want us to win 70-0 against Florida to keep you happy? No, I think people want to know why you can't run the ball. We can run the ball. Did you see the last play of the game? That's all you need. You just need one.

43:16Rich Eisen:There's some ridiculous questions. And I'm getting tired of it. That football team just worked their tail off to get an SEC win, and you want to know what's wrong. You know what? You're spoiled. You're spoiled. This team is 17-1 at night. 17-1. Give them some respect. How about that? Give them some respect instead of micro-analyzing every little thing. This is ridiculous. for a group of seasoned reporters. That kind of question is so out of line.

43:53Albert Breer:Coach Sean Spears, two interceptions tonight. It seems like he's worked into a role on... That's a great question!

44:01Rich Eisen:Thank you. Oh, my word. That was the only thing that was missing was hello. You don't play it, just play it. that's the great thing about sports oh boy i mean instead of you play to win the game he said we played to we played the game to win the game right it's it's it's a little bit more wordy than we play to win the game which is it's not going to look pretty sometimes but all we needed to do in one moment was just get two yards we don't need to go get 20 and i understand you know reporters are like it's still it's still not clicking but the reason why I wonder if he's going to get any blowback for calling them spoiled

44:46Albert Breer:that's what I was just going to say

44:47Rich Eisen:when you call someone spoiled although he did also did you see it's he paused to pick and choose the right word to not offend them as to what to call them what type of reporters he used seasoned is that the solid when talking about

44:59Albert Breer:reporters no seasoned reporters means

45:01Rich Eisen:that you know better you should know better than to just take the bait of your having trouble running the ball when all you needed to do was run the ball well that one time to win the game. And I'm sure the reporters were responsible if you ran the ball more consistently well, then you wouldn't be hanging on for dear life, potentially. Although LSU is ranked third at 3-0. 32-11 LSU under Brian Kelly. They are 3-0 in bowl games. But spoiled.

45:29Albert Breer:They haven't been in the mix to win a title since he's been there.

45:31Rich Eisen:But this is the SEC. This guy. Hey, not in Central Michigan anymore. Cincinnati. Or even Notre Dame. Yeah. You know? Even Notre Dame.

45:42Albert Breer:Played for the Natty, though, at Notre Dame.

45:45Rich Eisen:Alice, she was ranked third. Yeah, hello. That was the only word that was missing. Oh, I think we got ourselves a new rant. Oh, yeah. And the question about the interceptions was like, the Matt Leiner will be next. It's a very, very, you know, we are who they thought they were. Don't worry about it, Mike. We're out of time. Hour number two is in the books. Your phone calls in hour number three, and we'll talk about the rest of week number two. We'll get some Vegas stories, what happened there. Not exactly going to stay there from TJ Jefferson, who was there for the prize fight over the weekend.

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