Hour 2: ESPN's Brian Windhorst In-Studio to Talk NBA Playoffs, Giannis & Steve Kerr

10:44Brian Windhorst:In fact, you talk to people in Atlanta and they say, holy hell, the team that we played in games four, five, and six were nothing like the team that we played in game one, two, and three. You talk to people in Atlanta and they're like, you know, we're up 2-1 and we realized we won two games the last second shots. Like we could have easily been down 3-0, but like we thought, you know, we are right with this team. Like we might take this thing to seven, you know, toss up. and then they got bashed across the bridge of the nose the next three games. And they're like, where did this come from? And they carried it right over into last night.

11:20Brian Windhorst:The energy with their movement, their teamwork, they came out in the first quarter with a game plan against Joel Embiid. And that was to put him in pick and roll, which is a common strategy against him. And whenever they got the ball in transition, when they got the ball to go to the basket as fast as they could. Don't let Embiid get back. In the first quarter alone, Bridges got a driving dunk where he just beat Embiid back, and Towns got one where he got the ball, and Embiid was just, like, turning his body to look. And as soon as Towns got it, he went right to the basket and dunked, and he ran right by Towns.

11:55Brian Windhorst:Like, the Knicks were moving faster, totally showing that they had a game plan and they were executing it. And, look, they made a lot of shots last night, so you're going to look good if you're running actions that generate made shots as opposed to just open shots. But they are playing with such a purpose and a focus on offense right now that it's starting to make you wonder. Now, I will say that this entire East is all flawed teams. They're all flawed. And so I could be sitting here a week from now and we go, well, what happened to that Knicks team from game one? Why haven't we seen that team again?

12:29Brian Windhorst:That's very possible. But I am extremely impressed. And more than me, forget about me. When I talk to coaches and scouts, they're like, a beast has awakened here. Like, is this who they're going to be now? So the answer might be yes. This isn't a team that played this way for three months. So it's hard to believe in it. You know, they had a run like in midseason where they went two and nine.

12:54Rich Eisen:Right.

12:55Brian Windhorst:And that's why they're the three seed and not the one seed or two seed. They couldn't beat Detroit either in the regular season.

13:01Rich Eisen:And that may be who they're facing. I mean, Mike Brown, after the game, I found this quote while you were talking, quote, it's a lot of fun when you have concepts on either end of the floor and the guys are trying to embrace those concepts at the highest level. And when they do, it doesn't really matter what you call or who initiates the action because guys are trying to play the right way. It seems like whatever he's been preaching is now being practiced and executed. I mean, that's what I'm trying to find out. What is it?

13:28Brian Windhorst:Well, they're making shots, which really helps. When Brunson comes off a screen and Embiid stays back and Brunson attacks that screen and he hits the first four of them, everybody looks good. The coach looks good. The screener looks good. Brunson looks good. The popcorn vendor looks good. So the real question in the NBA playoffs is what's your margin for error is. Can you get away with winning a game when you've got your C-plus game, not when you have your fastball? And the Knicks haven't shown that yet. But what they have shown is that their fastball, you can't touch. And if they keep throwing this, they could get to the finals.

14:07Brian Windhorst:Like the pathway is there for them. And, you know, I don't – this Detroit series, I know Detroit has been installed as a minor favorite. I get people asking me about this the last couple days. They're like, well, how is this series going to go? And sometimes the responsible answer is I don't know. I mean, everybody is expected to make a prediction. They're told, no, no, you must tell me. Is it in 4, 5, or 6, or 7? And sometimes you don't know. So I don't know what's going to happen in that series. But the Knicks, if they can avoid Detroit, like potentially, you know, Detroit, they would not have home court advantage, a team that's had great success against them.

14:49Rich Eisen:Correct.

14:50Brian Windhorst:Maybe it's Cleveland, and maybe that's a team that they match up better with. Like, you know, a lot of things have fallen in a way that set the table, But I just want to point out the Knicks have won five, five playoff games. They need to win 12 to get out of the East and 16. So this is one thing that we say that the championship or the East has not decided the first week of May.

15:13Rich Eisen:Brian Windhorst here on the Rich Eisen Show. He's on the NBA today at three Eastern time, noon out here on the West Coast. Let's take a break. I'd love to come back and talk about some of the aftermath of some of the teams that have been eliminated, including the Boston Celtics. For the moment, just want to let you know a SoFi personal loan is here to help you achieve something once thought impossible, overcoming high-interest credit card debt. Walk the tightrope of your finances right now with one low fixed-rate monthly payment, no fees required, and as soon as the same-day funding. That's right.

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18:19Rich Eisen:Thrivent, where money means more. Connect with us at Thrivent.com. Because this is the last, Brian Windhorst, by the way, our radio audience returned, is still here. So this is the last lottery as we know it?

18:31Brian Windhorst:Yes, very likely. So there's all of these trades and things that have happened. So obviously people don't know the lottery because these are good players in this draft, potential franchise players. But there is, like if you're a fan of the LA Clippers, you are either going to walk out of the lottery on Sunday with the fifth pick or nothing.

18:53Rich Eisen:Nothing else?

18:54Brian Windhorst:That's right.

18:57Rich Eisen:All right, I'll bite. I'm sure it involves Oklahoma City somehow.

19:00Brian Windhorst:It does not.

19:01Rich Eisen:That's weird.

19:02Brian Windhorst:They made a trade. Okay. They made a trade at the trade deadline with Indiana. And Indiana gets to keep the pick if it's in the top four. And if it goes five through nine, which, you know, it goes to Clippers. And if it's 10th, well, it's not going to be 10th. Okay. The Clippers only get it if it falls five through nine.

19:22Rich Eisen:That's it. It's like a range finder. Yeah. The Pacers have top four odds.

19:30Brian Windhorst:They have the same odds as the other teams. Yes. They have a 52 % chance of falling in the top four. So that means if they get passed by four teams, which by the way happened last year to the Jazz and Wizards, we're not talking about something that we've never seen. It's 50-50.

19:45Rich Eisen:Right.

19:45Brian Windhorst:So it's 52 % chance that they remain in the top four. Yes. 48 % chance the Clippers get the fifth pick. Now you think about this. You get the fifth pick in this draft. You could draft a new franchise cornerstone or you have nothing. And by the way, I like to point out, their pick is in the lottery, but it's owned by the Thunder.

20:05Rich Eisen:Yeah, the Thunder. There we go. Now I knew. And I just looked at who's going to be in the room.

20:11Brian Windhorst:I'm going to go. I'm going to be in the room this year where they actually draw the balls, not the television show, where they actually draw the ball.

20:17Rich Eisen:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:18Brian Windhorst:And Sam Presti, it's important enough that Sam Presti, the president of the Thunder, while his series is going on with the Lakers, is scheduled. Don't know for sure, but he's scheduled to be in the room. Because what happens if the Thunder pull a top four pick? Can you imagine that? Okay. And also, the Hawks, the Atlanta Hawks have the New Orleans Hornets pick.

20:41Rich Eisen:Yes.

20:42Brian Windhorst:Or the Bucs pick, whichever. Yeah. They have optionality. The Hawks were just in the playoffs. I realize that they're not on the verge of a title, but what happens if the Hawks end up with the third pick? They could have this team plus the third pick.

20:55Rich Eisen:This makes it crazy. It's so difficult to understand. But we know what's going to happen, Brian.

21:00Brian Windhorst:The Warriors are going to get the first pick. The Warriors are in the game. The Mavericks are in the game.

21:07Rich Eisen:But it's milk, isn't it? I agree, but last year, I like that.

21:11Brian Windhorst:Good job. Yeah, thanks, man. I reserve the right to steal.

21:14Rich Eisen:Please. Please. Dan Patrick calls it sampling. So you may sample.

21:18Brian Windhorst:You reject that. I like the milk. The milk, I think 2%, was Dallas last year. Make a hooper flag.

21:27Rich Eisen:It also benefits the league to have the Warriors with the top pick. You extend the curry run a little bit. These are nutlers back. Let me tell you the day

21:39Brian Windhorst:that all lottery conspiracies died. I'm going to tell you the day. please John Morant and Ziya Williams are in the line and the Knicks don't get the first pick for

21:47Rich Eisen:Ziya. Knicks and Lakers are in the top four and the other teams are Memphis and New Orleans.

21:55Brian Windhorst:Well you got to throw everyone off the scent every now and then Brian. Okay um but here's the thing about the lottery that's so fascinating so last year okay okay last year I realized I can't I was like can we have a real conversation about no we can't okay no no it's okay all right so last year okay the first three picks because this is a thing like entire billion dollar businesses come down to this and i'm going to just tell you about last year last year the jazz the wizards and the hornets all had the same they all the worst record they had the same chance at the top four okay they had all gone through horrible rebuilding years embarrassing themselves doing things that they got fined for etc right the first three picks come out of the draft and it's none of them okay And now we are down to the last lottery spot.

22:43Brian Windhorst:It's generally believed to be a four-player draft, four exciting players. Maybe in the future it will prove that the eighth pick was a great player, but it was generally seen as a four-player draft. So now we are sitting there, and the three of them are sitting all sides. This is in the actual lottery room. I'm not talking about on the stage. Right. In the lottery room. It's the general manager of the Jazz, the general manager of the Wizards, and the owner of the Hornets. And they're all sitting there next to each other. I know you can find this on YouTube because they don't put it on TV, but this is one of the reasons I get excited about this.

23:11Brian Windhorst:They pull up the first three balls, and all three of them are still in the game. They're waiting for the fourth ball. One of them is getting the fourth pick, which is Con Canipple. Okay?

23:22Rich Eisen:Right.

23:22Brian Windhorst:And one of them, and the other two, are getting nothing. They're getting five and six. They're getting, hopefully this guy develops. Can you put up those again?

23:31Rich Eisen:Please, yep. There it is.

23:34Brian Windhorst:Do you see the Wizards and Jazz still on here? the difference between the Wizards and Jazz being back in this lottery and granted the Hornets are there at the end but the Hornets got into play in this year and had this moment where they won in Con Caniple they totally changed the whole direction of the franchise obviously there are other factors that come into play, I mean they have Brandon Miller, they have LaMelo Ball but the difference between the misery that was the Wizards and Jazz this year which was miserable and the Hornets who are regarded as one of the up and coming franchises in the league was the fourth ball and this is the thing like this is why it's maddening and why people tank and why it's frustrating and it spurs all of this this agita because it comes down to that because in basketball the difference between one player and not is the difference between having a competitive team the people flying into your building until you have to embarrassingly lay on the ground and take your beating for another year and so on sunday we have the lottery that's coming that's coming

24:35Rich Eisen:And, you know, again, mock drafts and things of that nature, whatever I'm, you know, obviously it's all subjective. But I did see that even if the Oklahoma City Thunder stick and pick at 12, I did see Yaxa Lendeborg dropping to them. And one and a couple of mock drafts, and I can attest as a Michigan guy, that is way too low for him. And if Yaxa Lendeborg goes to that team, look out.

25:04Brian Windhorst:I just want to say three years ago, this happened. They had one of the Kawhi picks. Not Kawhi. It was actually for Paul George.

25:11Rich Eisen:You lose track sometimes with the whole Clipper.

25:13Brian Windhorst:They still owe next year's, by the way. If they don't get this year's, they still have next year's. When does it end? That's it. It ends next year. Okay. Three years ago, they didn't have, or maybe it was four years ago, they had a lottery pick, and it was the 12th pick, and it didn't move up. Rats. They got Jalen Williams.

25:35Rich Eisen:it is laughable it is it is uh so uh i asked you last week when you were on about uh after the nuggets got eliminated what is happening in the denver front offices what is happening in the

25:47Brian Windhorst:boston front offices right now so brad stevens he hasn't done his end of year discussion yet um as soon as i saw jason tatum and i know that they said it was a knee and i can't prove that it wasn't right as soon as i saw jason tatum on the bench putting his thumb into the back of his his calf i was like because you know i know that there are occasions when achilles injuries come from nowhere right fortunately it hasn't happened to me but the people that i've talked to who've had achilles injuries it rarely doesn't come from anywhere some i mean obviously we have these terrible instances of durant and haliburton where they had injuries but sometimes they're like yeah yeah, you know, my Achilles was sore or my calf was sore.

26:31And one thing I wonder, and, you know, he has never said this,

26:35Brian Windhorst:but I wonder, was Jason Tatum's right calf sore last year? Was his Achilles sore? And now he's touching that calf. And I was thinking, as soon as I saw him touching the calf, I was like, oh, man. Look out. And I don't blame him for one iota of a second. And so now they have to ask themselves in Boston, is this team that we have and this really this this trio derrick white jalen brown and jason tatum if everyone all healthy can they still compete to win championships i think the answer is yes but they may go through an evaluation period the other thing is in the nba one out of three on a three-point shot is considered good acceptable because one out of three on of a three is the same as two out of four on a two six points okay i'm sorry three out of six on two one out of four is the same one out of three is you know 33 percent sure two is the same with 50 percent i'm messing this all up you understand the math i clearly don't i didn't go to michigan went to kent state okay um or northwestern i saw you i didn't know you went to northwestern grad school

27:38Rich Eisen:yeah very impressive so basically two three-point shots equals three two-point shot that's right

27:43Brian Windhorst:two one out of three is just as good as two out of six okay so three out of six so one out of three is considered acceptable in nba shooting three pointers two out of five 20 million a year 25 million a year you shoot 40 on threes boston has been on their three-point kick for five years now okay the top three and three-point attempts for five consecutive years even before joe missoula got there they were already working now missoula poured gas on it But for five years now, in two of those five years, they've reached the finals. 40%. This is, by NBA, three-point standards would be considered excellent.

28:30Brian Windhorst:Praiseworthy. They've shot their threes for five years. They've gone to the finals twice. To get to the finals, they're one and one. Pretty good. LeBron would take 500 in the finals. He would take it right now. so you ask yourself are you cool with that you know you probably got three or four years left of Tatum and Brown's prime hopefully nobody gets injured again you never can't predict that are you cool with two out of four two out of five because that's their their strategy is essentially the three-pointer when it goes in my god it's glorious when it goes out you're like why are you shooting it they're two out of five so do they want to stick with that are they I know what Joe Missoula feels.

29:14Brian Windhorst:Missoula is borderline defiant. And so the question is, are you going to stick with you? You continue to shoot the threes.

29:22Rich Eisen:And so that's the conversation they're going to have. Right. But what about a certain center in Milwaukee with a sense of wanderlust potentially? I mean, so. Right. I mean, at the end of the day, the threes didn't go in and Embiid was unguardable because they didn't have somebody to guard him. Right. And thus, we're now talking about the Celtics game planning for future seasons.

29:45Brian Windhorst:Okay. So the thing about when you, whenever people talk about Giannis, like for example, Masai Ujiri was just hired as the president of the Mavericks yesterday. And people were like, you know, Masai tried to get Giannis in Toronto. They have connections. They have African roots that are important to them. People have said, well, Masai tried to trade for Giannis. That doesn't make sense to me. The bucks are, are the, the, the future of the Mavericks is a 19 year old. You're not trading for a 31 year old. And I see other teams like this too that are like Houston, for example. Well, I know Durant's older, but their whole core is younger.

30:17Brian Windhorst:It doesn't make sense to put a guy in his 30s. Boston's a different story. The window with Tatum and Brown is comparable, I think, to the window with Giannis. I think you never know, but you could sell yourself on that. So you're going to ask yourself, and even if it's not Giannis, really the question is, do you break up Brown and Tatum? for a different pairing. Because if you're still going to shoot the three, you're not trading for Giannis. The guy doesn't shoot threes. If you believe in your 40 % and you're going to accept your 40%, you're going to shoot the three next year, you're not trading for Giannis.

30:54Brian Windhorst:You're more likely to trade for Embiid, which you wouldn't do. I'm just saying, like, Embiid shoots threes. So are they continuing to shoot the three? If the answer is yes, I think Derek White, Tatum, and Brown are staying together. If the answer is anything but yes, if it's maybe or we'll see or let's think about it. That's because the thing about it is you have to understand when it comes to the Bucs, they don't control their draft for like the next four years. When I say they don't control, they've either traded the pick or they've traded the swap. So a Giannis trade can't bring back a rebuild.

31:28Brian Windhorst:And not only that, but they're about to flatten the lottery odds so that if you get in the relegation zone, you may not get a top pick. In fact, you may end up with a 10th pick if you have the worst record under the new proposal. So if you're going to make a deal to Milwaukee, like that's what happened. Like Golden State at the trade deadline said, hey, we're going to trade you four firsts. Like we don't control our draft the next four years. Draymond Green and four first round picks does not help us next year when we don't control our pick. So if it's a real player, like one of the Celtics, I'm not going to get aggregated or whatever.

32:02Brian Windhorst:Like that's a... So what you're asking is not unreasonable, but I don't have the clarity in how the Celtics are thinking about it.

32:08Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, if you say, I think you don't have the clarity of it because you're an information man and you're a lead pipe-wielding professional, but picking up what you said here, if you've got a coach, Joe Mazzula, who damn well could be coach of the year based on what happened.

32:26Brian Windhorst:I voted for coach of the year.

32:27Rich Eisen:Makes sense. And he's, what do you say, defiant is what you said?

32:31Brian Windhorst:I mean, like you say, Joe, why did you shoot 56 threes? And he said, we should have shot 57.

32:37Rich Eisen:So don't you have your answer? Well, certainly the way he plays. And you also have the guys who can do it. When it goes in, it's – Which is why – Peyton Pritchard, you know, he just probably woke up this morning shooting.

32:49Brian Windhorst:Which is why if you ask me what I think, I think they're running it back. Obviously, they've got to get big men.

32:54Rich Eisen:Who would that person be then if it's not Giannis? Like who might be in markets, right, for that sort of thing? Well, they tore their team – they didn't know what they're going to have Tatum,

33:06Brian Windhorst:and they didn't want to pay the luxury tax. They tore their team down. They traded Porzingis. They traded Al Horford walk, what have you. They'd have to go get some big men to build their team back up. But, I mean, really what you're asking is are Tatum, Brown, and White staying together?

33:20Rich Eisen:Right.

33:20Brian Windhorst:I would wager on it staying together, but I don't think it's a no-brainer. I think it comes down to whether or not you want to continue to play the same style of basketball. Okay.

33:28Rich Eisen:And then the coaching searches are on, obviously, in Milwaukee and Orlando.

33:33Brian Windhorst:Milwaukee named Taylor Jenkins.

33:34Rich Eisen:Okay, right. There you go. Right, obviously. What about Kerr? What's Steve Kerr's? We're waiting.

33:39Brian Windhorst:And, I mean, that's literally legit. Like, people are waiting. Like, they're having conversations. The thing I'd say about Steve Kerr is it's not just an emotional decision. Emotions are a part of it. Right. Do you want to go through the grind again? He was being paid$17 million last year. That was a salary that he was given when the Warriors were competing for championships. I'm not sure. The answer could be yes. I'm not sure that the Warriors ownership wants to have a$17 million coach with their current situation. So is money 25 % of it? Is it 51 %? Is it 5 %? Money is a factor. The key here is there wasn't a contract sitting on the table, and it was like Steve had to just go sign it and then send it in.

34:22Brian Windhorst:They had to have material discussions about how they're going to play, what his money is, all that stuff. So that's why this is a bit of a process. But they're having the process. It's not, you know, they're still talking.

34:35Rich Eisen:You're the actions guy right here.

34:37Brian Windhorst:So if Kerr just wanted to go play golf, then he would be playing golf. He's, you know, he's in San Francisco as far as I know. We're discussing this.

34:48Rich Eisen:The other stuff, does it include the management doesn't like him talking about real life stuff and politics? You know. And gun violence and things that are very important to him and his voice is very important for. I mean, is that real? Are there times when management probably is like, Steve, we got a game against Utah tonight.

35:08Brian Windhorst:Probably. But I think very clearly they have supported Steve Kerr for a decade plus. I mean, my boss gets mad at me about certain things. My boss is like, why did you say that? Why am I having to deal with that? But on balance, they want to keep me around for now. You know, tomorrow it happens. But someday they won't. You know, but I don't think that's a I don't think that's a centerpiece of this discussion. I think.

35:35Rich Eisen:OK.

35:36Brian Windhorst:Are you going to run the same offense? Are you willing to hire this person? Are you will you coach for X, not 17 million? Right. These are are higher on the list than than what he might say after after a shooting somewhere.

35:50Rich Eisen:OK, well, I said you'd be out by 40 after the hour. Look at that time. Look at us. What a professional. You know what I'm saying? With seconds to spare. have a great broadcast

36:00Brian Windhorst:thank you, look forward to it

36:02Rich Eisen:and it's just great having you here dude thank you, I always love it I love it as well and we changed our background for you no we didn't only you can do that when you zoom in

36:14Brian Windhorst:oh I see what you're saying I was like boy that's joking over my head no no it's all good

36:20Rich Eisen:you can't wind up in the relegation zone you know what I'm saying

36:23Brian Windhorst:well you know I'm a Tottenham fan you don't follow it at all That means nothing to you.

36:27Rich Eisen:I do. It's not looking good.

36:31Brian Windhorst:They just won, the last two weeks, they won their first two matches since December.

36:35Rich Eisen:Right.

36:36Brian Windhorst:And they moved from 18, which is relegation, to 17 by a single point. And there's three matches left. Can Tottenham be relegated? Tottenham getting relegated would be like the Jets getting relegated.

36:48Rich Eisen:I understand that. Which, you know. It's not a shocker. Let's have a discussion. I understand that. To use the Patino parlance, Harry Kane's not walking through that door.

36:56Brian Windhorst:He walked out that door and it tried to be a good decision. Right there. There's the relegation zone.

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39:04Rich Eisen:Just make sure they keep their cleats off the seats. The all-new Hyundai Palisade Hybrid. Visit HyundaiUSA.com or call this number, 562-314-4603 for details. Ladies and gentlemen, put your hands together for Al and Dallas back on the program. What's up, Al? How are you? What up, man? How are we doing, gentlemen? TJ, don't you think it's a little tad ridiculous Brockman making comments about, oh, the Mets won? I mean, is this guy, is he out of his mind? I mean, that's why I pointed out, Al, they're one game better than this. Oh, I heard. Believe me, I heard. I heard it all. I mean, sorry, four World Series since the last time you won one and we're ahead of you in the standings this year.

39:47Rich Eisen:I'll talk as much as I want. We don't care about your four World Series. That's not what this is about. This is about this week today. We'll have to put a little side action on the season then because I've had it. I've had it with you and this red side action. Side action. We won four World Series. Side action. Bring it out. What the heck's that guy to do with? You got my number. Side action. Side action. This is ridiculous. Hey, Richard, another thing. Have you ever seen the guys jumping off the Nick bandwagon, and I might have been one of them about a week ago, jump right back in the boat? Has this been unbelievable?

40:16Rich Eisen:Hey, Cooper, my youngest son, said to me after, like, the game one Knicks loss, or they lost game one, then they won game two. And it was after game two, he goes, so do you like Mike Brown again? and I'm like, ask. I said, ask me again in about two weeks. I mean, that's pretty funny. That's what he said. I said, ask me again in two weeks, which was, by the way, that's an old Tony La Russa line. Whenever I would cover a game that he was managing, I would say, how you doing, Tony? Just as a, you know, just a human to human hello. How you doing, Tony? He would say, ask me in nine innings. That's what he would say.

40:56Rich Eisen:And so I said, ask me again in two weeks. And so last night when I saw him, I'm like, I kind of like Mike Brown, man. It's working. I don't know what's going to happen from here on out, but it feels really good, Al. That's for sure. They are deep. I will say, you know, we all love Tibbs, right? So that's not a – you know, I don't know anybody. I haven't heard anybody say anything bad about Tibbs except for the one part, of course, that Brockman brought up, that he only plays six players, and he didn't do well playing bench players. But their bench, I mean, the Alvarado kid, I mean, there are so many guys playing well on this team.

41:33Rich Eisen:It is just, it's amazing. Now, it would be great if they put a beat down on the Sixers in game two, just for the mental psyche, because you know how crazy we are. And it would be fantastic. And I would be remiss not to, you know, say RIP to John Sterling. As much of a Yankee hater as I am and a Mets fan that I am growing up in that area, the guy was extremely entertaining and extremely professional on all the shows, He's been on all these shows, and he was a great guy. It was sad to see him pass. I think, wasn't he a sports talk radio host on WLR, which was the Mets radio station? Yeah, I mean, he was amazing.

42:15Rich Eisen:Susan Waltman was his update guy on one of those programs. I don't know if it was WLR. I mean, it's amazing. And, you know, listen, we're all going to go eventually, right? But, you know, hey, when the great ones go. And he was great. Love him or hate him. He was great. It was sad. Real classy of you, Al. And speaking on behalf of all Yankee fans and that, I just have to follow up by asking you, how about those Mets? Hey, listen. Listen. You know. We'll bring you right back down, man. Bring you right back down. One pitch, one inning, one game. Ask me a nine-in. Okay. There we go. As long as Luke Weaver doesn't pitch or Devin Williams doesn't pitch.

42:55Rich Eisen:God, they stink. Don't they stink? You took them because they were the Yankees in a Mets town. Sting on ice. You'll never let me forget that comment, will you? He's going to beat that to death and then resurrect it and then beat to death again. I'm not beating anything. I'm just talking about the type of town New York City apparently is. I don't understand why you keep on pointing out. Oh, you don't get it? Okay. Thank you, Al. Okay. Fair enough. Thank you. All right, Al. Can I ask you a question about Knicks fans in general? why do after every win they act like absolute lunatics outside the MSG?

43:31Rich Eisen:It's crazy. I saw a video last night. They ripped a maxi jersey off a Sixer fan. Like, to quote Billy Madison, that's assault, brother. Like, what are we doing? I don't know. I don't get it because it's not that way after a Yankee game. You tell me it's a Mets town. Is it that way after a Mets game? We are civilized. Okay. Metropolitans. Every game, there's videos going around of these guys. I don't think it's that way after a Ranger game. It's insane. Yeah, it's a little. Calm down. I agree with you. And if I didn't see that video, they ripped the jersey off. Yeah, there was some dude wearing a maxi jersey just walking through.

44:01Rich Eisen:Everyone's just like flipping them off behind, and then they ripped the jersey off. That's not right. It's terrible. I mean, Dolan should have facial recognition outside his arenas. I'm sure he does. Maybe he does. Probably does. I don't know. I just was asking, why do they do that? God forbid they actually win something that matters. Right. Imagine if they actually make the finals. I know. What a finals game. I know. I know winning it all would be insane. Tear New York up. Tone it down. Certainly in a town where you're just only rooting for one baseball team. It's a pretty diehard basketball fan base.

44:35Rich Eisen:Again, those Mets. Beat to death. Resurrect. Beat to death. It's fun. It's fun. I kind of dig it. I'm going to start calling you the Lady Melisandre. Melisandre. Kind of funny. You know what? The series is facial recognition versus geotagging. facial recognition's up 1-0 over geotag. Am I wrong? I am very curious to see what the crowd is going to be like on Friday. Because y 'all are coming down the train, man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Geotagging is only going to go so far. I mean, you heard what it was like. Celtics fans took over that arena, and they had to travel further. They did. I'm watching the video of J.R.

45:19Smith, former Nick, just get slammed by the crowd, man.

45:24Rich Eisen:They're, like, attacking him, but they're not attacking him. But he rounds up on the ground. Yeah. And he's a former Nick. Yeah, fans got to chill. They won't. It's only going to get worse. It's only going to get worse, I feel like. For the love of Chalamet, don't do it. Chalamet's out here, too. He was at the game. He's going everywhere. He's a real Nick fan. Kylie, Met Gala, Chalamet, courtside. Is that what happened last night? And Stiller skipped the game altogether. For what? For the Met Gala. Did he really? Yeah. But you see, he got to the top of the steps, and he went like this to a camera.

45:59Rich Eisen:He was like Nick's at six. Okay. Nick's sweep at this point. Man. Okay. I see you. I think we've got some. We'll finish up an hour three. I think we've got some sports Met Gala photos. Oh, yeah. There were some peeps there, yeah. Even though that Met gal is off the charts absurd at this point. It's like that every year. The comedian Corey B is going to be joining us in hour number three of this program with a lot of fun still ahead. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app.

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