Hour 2: Jets’ Mess, plus ‘NFL Daily’ Host Gregg Rosenthal with Guest Host Colleen Wolfe

20:18Colleen Wolfe:How impressed have you been with watching the development of May and just this team in general with Mike Rabel? Because it's such a different vibe now with him compared to years and years and years of Belichick. Yeah, I feel like Drake May's season right now is like a perfect game that you don't want to talk to anybody about in the clubhouse. Like I could not have been more high on Drake May coming into the draft before the Patriots even took him. I thought he was my favorite prospect maybe since Andrew Luck. And I don't think people are watching. And it's fair to point out they have played one of the easiest schedules in the league.

20:56And it's going to stay one of the easiest schedules in the league. But what he is doing right now, like if you like flipped his second year and first year, there'd be no question who the best quarterback from that draft class is. Like he's one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL full stop right now.

21:11Colleen Wolfe:He is. He is. Speaking of quarterbacks in the NFL, we have many questions about Justin Fields, who we covered a little earlier, and Tua Tungavailoa. What should happen? What is the future for both of these quarterbacks? And should there be something, some type of move made by the organization, whether or not a benching or what? It's interesting when, you know, our colleague Ian Rappaport put out there that no changes are expected right now with the Miami Dolphins. I thought, wait, like, are they considering benching Tua but keeping Mike McDaniel? I do wonder if those two are having like a little bit of a cold war when you listen to some of the comments that happen in the media going back and forth.

21:56And Tua has not played well. But ultimately, what are you going to do? You're going to play Quinn Ewers in week eight? I don't think that's an option. So no matter what their plans were at head coach, to me that's the more logical move if they're going to make one and then for Justin Fields it's usually a kiss of death Colleen it's kind of a rule on NFL Daily if the NFL head coach does not commit to a starting quarterback on a Monday he's making a change on the Tuesday and they did not commit to Justin Fields today so I gotta think it's Tyrod Taylor this week and this is one week

22:29Colleen Wolfe:after Aaron Glenn was asked the same question about Justin Fields and Aaron Glenn was not happy about it. He's like, oh, come on, man. How's that even a question? Of course, it's a question. And now it's even more of a burning question. But yesterday's games, we saw just some wild, wild finishes, especially in the afternoon. Where were you when the Giants and Broncos switched leads 75 different times? Well, you know, I was sitting at my desk at NFL Network, you know, exactly where I was getting ready for the Sunday recap show. And it was tricky because I was watching that Cardinals Packers game more closely, which was an incredible football game.

23:10And it's almost just got overshadowed by everything that happened with Denver and New York. But the moment that Jackson Dart threw that interception. Yes. I like it was like, oh, this is this is really going to happen, isn't it? And I think all Giants fans got that like pit in their stomach and they watch their defense like not make any changes. I totally get all the Shane Bowen hate today because you're rushing three and you're dropping eight and you're giving Bo Nix all that time at the end of that game, which, you know, I absolutely hate. It's the exact same thing that happened against the Cowboys for the Giants.

23:42And it happened. But you got to give Bo Nix a little bit of credit. There was like Tebow aspects to both of these games, both of these quarterbacks in the game, like the lucky touchdown that Jackson Dart got. like sometimes the way he plays reminds me a little bit of TiVo, but three quarters of absolutely atrocious quarterback play by Bo Nix and then 33 points or whatever it was in 31 points in the fourth quarter. That was some Tim TiVo magic there.

24:08Colleen Wolfe:It was. Theo Johnson is playing a big role somehow. I can't believe he caught that deflection, first of all, and that that wasn't, I don't even know how many touchdowns he has this year but it is just I was talking about Jackson Dart after the game and his face on the sideline like the the reality setting in for him that they did not win that game and I just I wonder how that affects them going forward because it just felt like they had that spark and they really did believe in themselves and it's like we talked so many times this year about how the young players and cam scadaboo and jackson dart come in here and they're not jaded yet they don't have they're not beaten down by the losses and the media in new york and i just wonder if like when that starts to seep in at what point because it will yeah i like that you're trying to play this thing straight like you're not enjoying the fact that jackson dart woke up this morning and you know i hate it for them so much people have like their welcome to the nfl moment on the field he actually had his when he looked at the new york daily news cover or was it the post where it just says worst loss ever and who's on the schedule this week colleen second time in three weeks oh i know you're filling up the eagles yeah i know so it's tough That's a tough one for them.

25:37Colleen Wolfe:We're looking at their full schedule here. And then they have San Francisco, who just had that incredible game last night with Mac Jones, who has this team with four wins, right? They've gone four and one with Mac Jones, I believe. Yeah, correct. And even with all of the injuries, it's almost giving kind of like what we were talking about with Tampa Bay and Baker Mayfield being able to overcome all these injuries. But now we're talking about Mac Jones being able to do this with the Niners. And it's like this was their first game without Fred Warner. And the replacement played really, really well in his spot, too.

26:21Colleen Wolfe:Right, Greg? Yeah, he was great. And I think Robert Sala has done a great job coaching up this defense. It makes you just wish they had Fred Warner or Nick Bosa or both, obviously, for the rest of the season, because I think the ceiling for this team would potentially be the Super Bowl. But I love the news that Mac Jones got$400 ,000 off that game. He needed to win four starts at, you know, quarterback where he started the game and they won the game to make a$400 ,000 bonus. And he hit that. So like Mac Jones is partying somewhere tonight. What does that look like? We've seen the man. The man knows how to gritty.

26:58I mean, come on.

26:59Colleen Wolfe:That's true. He's got cigars for sure. yeah by the way it was Tatum Bethune I was trying I was thinking Jason Tatum for some reason obviously that was not him but I knew there was a Tatum involved Tatum involved so when we look at this defense and the way that the Niner season is unfolding and how crowded the NFC races how do you see this stacking up because the Rams they're now a contender too and we saw what they were able to do without Puka Nakua. And there was no real previous connection with Matthew Stafford and Devontae Adams. They were just not on the same page. The targets were there, but the completions were just not happening.

27:44Colleen Wolfe:And then yesterday they figured it out. Obviously, Devontae ran a lot of the things that Puka would run, but it just, it works for them. I think it was a good reminder for Sean McVay that like just don't do everything around one guy. and they're running a lot more two tight end, especially three tight end personnel in that game. They had more three tight end looks than any team in the history of the next gen stats era, since they started keeping track and way more than the Rams ever had. And they were versatile. They run the ball. I think it's the best division in football. Like the Seahawks, it's hard for me to get there as Super Bowl favorites, but I kind of think they've been the best team in the NFC this year.

28:24And then the 49ers have been great. And the Rams are a totally complete team, but I don't know what to make of them. They haven't won a game in the NFC this year. They swept the AFC South. So they're killing it, killing the AFC. And they have like the important part of their schedule still coming up.

28:37Colleen Wolfe:So you feel like Seahawks are top tier. And it's really hard, as you know, for me to get there. Just like imagining Sam Bradford holding up the NFC championship trophy. Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold. Sam Bradford. This is now like the fourth time you've done that. Because they were having the same career. They were having the same sort of like top shelf disappointment. And I got to admit, like he is an all pro this year, Sam Darnold. And they're so complete. Like I love the O-line in terms of pass pro. I love the defense. I love the coaching. I think they would be my pick in that division. Wow. Well, they'll play tonight.

29:16Colleen Wolfe:They play the Texans as the second of the doubleheader tonight on Monday Night Football. You know how much I love Sam Darnold. I was on the Sam Darnold bandwagon very early. training camp last year before everything happened with the Vikings. And then he was unceremoniously discarded for JJ McCarthy, but that paved the way for Carson Wentz to do what he did and what he's doing now. We got the full Carson Wentz experience yesterday. The first half of him doing just throwing away these balls and terrible interceptions. The one to Makuba was awful. that was just like very classic Wentz. But it really did warm my heart that the Eagles beat Wentz again in the second game against him.

30:06I mean, do you really need to spike the football on Carson Wentz? You wanted a Super Bowl your whole life, Colleen. I did. Would you have gotten that Super Bowl without the exploits of Carson Wentz going 11-2 in that year?

30:19Colleen Wolfe:MVP candidate that year, 2017. He set it up, Nick Foles knocked it down and you're right, that game was tough because I thought they were going to replace him with like Max Brosmer or J.J. McCarthy's back this week after that little sequence, but then he played pretty well the rest of the game. He always gives you just enough to keep believing. He does. And I didn't even mean to go down this Carson Wentz alley, but I just made a left turn real quick. However, I was going to go over to Daniel Jones's road because much like my love for Sam, I was going to say Bradford, Darnold, I have this thing with the Colts every single year.

30:58Colleen Wolfe:I love the Colts. I think they're going to be really good. I am banging the drum early all through training camp. It's like usually my prediction. And finally this year, I was like, I can't do it again, even though I feel it, but I'm out. I can't. And I just want to say you're welcome to everyone in Indianapolis because this is now the year that they are, they've put it all together. Daniel Jones, what have you thought so far about this Colts team? Because no one, obviously they have Jonathan Taylor who he's been a huge part of their success and he's going to be an obligatory running back that gets into the MVP conversation because we always know that it's going to be a quarterback anyway.

31:44Colleen Wolfe:But Daniel Jones still, I don't think, really gets the credit. and this team is 6-1. They have statistically one of the best offenses through seven weeks in NFL history. Like you can look at it any type of way. Yesterday in that game when they finally punted, I think it was late third quarter, it felt like a miracle for the Chargers who are supposed to be a pretty good defense and have all their players healthy to get even one stop. And there are a ton of easy buttons for Daniel Jones, but there's three or four throws every week. And I don't know what sort of confidence Shane Steichen got into Daniel Jones where he reads the blitz he stands in against pressure and he makes a very tough throw and you just weren't seeing those passes since maybe his rookie year with the Giants and if you want to enjoy another Giants loss them watching Daniel Jones be the number one quarterback in the league like you know me so well Greg like that's an all that's a huge L that's like the the worst level of L as a sports fan it is it is to watch Saquon and then Daniel Jones which What do you think stings more?

32:50Colleen Wolfe:It's got to be Saquon. Does it? Well, because the Daniel Jones one hasn't played out all the way yet. So if, yeah, if the Colts win a Super Bowl with Daniel Jones. That would be hilarious. Oh my God. Then I don't even know. You have to get a shaman and like some sage and just like really clean out that entire building. Because it's really, it's the Jets too. Maybe it's the Jets bad juju that's getting on the Giants. On the Giants? Oh wow. I don't know. playing the same place right um greg when we were talking about a little bit with the parody in the nfl right now and uh how chaotic things seem where are you where are your tiers right now in terms of the contenders it's annoying but i thought about it last night and i felt this even going into it if you could pick one team that's by far the most likely team to be playing in the Super Bowl.

33:45It's so obviously the Kansas City Chiefs. Like nobody, nobody loves that for America who wants chaos. Like we can say it's chaos, but the Chiefs are to me a tier apart, which seems crazy at four and three, but I think they've solved a lot of their defensive problems. And then, yeah, it's a whole morass after that. Because I don't think your Eagles are far apart from like the rest of the four or five NFC teams that you would want to throw in there. Detroit, Green Bay. I would throw Seattle and the Rams in like, it's all just one soup. And then as much as the Colts have been impressive and like kind of deserve to be that next team down below the Chiefs to me after the Chiefs, it's just kind of everyone else.

34:27Colleen Wolfe:And the Broncos five and two, their defense, it's been really, really good. but I think we talked about that game already a bit, but Sean Payton, I visited their training camp this year and he was talking about how their first preseason game was at Levi stadium and they were playing the Niners. And he talked to the team about how they were going to start the season there. Maybe potentially who knows where it ends, but a full circle moment. And that really stuck with me, just like the visualizing that in general and how beautiful the symbolism would be. But they're five and two now. They've won four in a row.

35:14Colleen Wolfe:They're rolling. Now they haven't been the prettiest of wins. But you also have teams in here in the NFC, like the Bears, who are four and two with Ben Johnson. And they've won four straight and things started out pretty rough. But what kind of job do you think Ben Johnson has done with the offense, the team in general and Caleb Williams? Caleb Williams is coming off a rough game that they managed to survive. And, you know, according to Troy Aikman, like two rough games, I thought people were a little hard on Troy. Like he he likes what he likes. I see it, too. Caleb Williams is holding on to the ball forever.

35:52But they came out of their bye. And I think this is a great sign for the Bears. And I'm not surprised, but I think coaches really show who they are coming out of the bye week, like what they've tightened up, what they want to focus on, what's improved. And they look like a completely different run defense, and they look like a completely different offensive line up front. So they are running the ball really well, opening up big holes for DeAndre Swift. And that's where a Ben Johnson offense really should start. And they invested a lot, you'll remember, in the offseason. We were all excited about the offensive line.

36:20Didn't look good early, and they've cleaned it up. So they're in the mix. I think Bears fans got to be just happy that they're going to be playing meaningful games in December. Broncos fans are a little different. I don't know if you like track this during the game, but like late third quarter, all Broncos fans like hated on Sean Payton, wanted him to give up the play calling. Like they want to blame Sean Payton because they can't blame Bo Nix.

36:44Colleen Wolfe:The timeline is incredible. It really is amazing because you can't blame Bo Nix, but Bo Nix, if this was his rookie year, people were like, would be like, is Bo Nix really like worth being the 12th overall pick? It's been a shaky, weird year for Bo Nix. But to your point, things completely changed by the end of that game. And it was like from one end of the spectrum to the other. And that is just the beauty of sports in general, how quickly these opinions can change and how quickly just everything, the narratives shift in this league. Because I think about teams like the Panthers, who now they've won three straight.

37:22Colleen Wolfe:And like, of course, you have to look at the schedule and Bryce Young is out next week. Mandy Dalton will get the start. We love Andy Dalton getting out there, getting some run. But I think about teams like the Panthers, who at least they're showing some signs of life here and that they have the ability to have a little bit of an improvement, unlike the Jets. And it just seems like everything is such a struggle with New York. And I think about the Arizona Cardinals, for instance, too. I mean, this team has come so close and now has so many losses by just the skin of their teeth, Greg. Yeah, I feel for them.

38:10Cardinals fans are done with this regime, and I think they should be more patient. It's curious, though, because they've clearly looked like a better offense with Jacoby Brissett. They're a different offense with Jacoby Brissett. like their under center play action going through Trey McBride. The running games looked better, at least, even without their two best running backs, Trey Benson and James Conner. And they just keep losing these close games the last two weeks to really good teams. I listen to a lot of team podcasts, Colleen. No fans are happy right now. Packers fans aren't happy. They didn't win by enough.

38:46Cardinals fans are so unhappy. And I actually think that game was like a really good game between a desperate Cardinals team that probably should have found a way to win. And I wouldn't be that worried from the Packers side, but just be patient. They've played the Colts and the Packers to the final whistle two straight weeks. I don't think they're quite done yet.

39:04Colleen Wolfe:Being happy is not what being an NFL fan is all about. Like you're not supposed to be happy. Your team, unless your team is winning every single week without any type of issues and then winning every Super Bowl, you're going to be annoyed about something. And that's the beauty of it. I think that's why I love football, because I like reasons to be annoyed. Greg Rosenthal, you've done it again. Thank you so much, my friend, for stopping by. Maybe I'll see you next Tuesday. We do Tuesdays on the podcast together, our episodes. So potentially I'll be there tomorrow. And otherwise, you guys can check Greg out every day, NFL Daily.

39:46Colleen Wolfe:It's an awesome show. We vote quarterbacks on and off the island and also game day view, correct? Fridays? That is Fridays. Love you, Colleen, whether you're there tomorrow or not. Love you back. Thank you, Greg. There he goes off to the podcast studio. And here we go off into our break. We will be back right after this.

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41:45Colleen Wolfe:Gang, we had some injuries yesterday at the quarterback position. We did. We should talk a little bit about those. I think we should. Jaden Daniels, he suffered that hamstring injury during the loss to TJ's Cowboys. Sorry. He will undergo, your apology accepted, he'll undergo an MRI on Monday to determine the severity of that. But it happened during a strip sack in the third quarter. Dan Quinn he hasn't provided any specific details just stating only that Daniels will have that MRI so we'll see how much time he ends up missing Marcus Mariota finished the game for Washington so he is the replacement for now if they have to go to him the commanders actually their next game is the Kansas City Chiefs on Monday Night Football so we will all get the pleasure of watching that hopefully it's jane daniels if he can't play right should they flex out of that into a better game yeah i'll do respect to marcus mariotta nobody wants to watch him on monday night football so should we flex out of that if he can't i would love that flex on him let's go but i think monday night football does have flex scheduling at some point it's not yet though no it doesn't start yet i was thinking in my head okay does it start now already it doesn't um what game are they giving the good would you take look at the sunday's like i want to see it It can be used twice.

43:06Oh, wait, that's Sunday. Monday Night Football may be used. Hold on a second. I got it somewhere.

43:10Colleen Wolfe:I know Thursdays obviously can. Yeah, you got to be. Any week between weeks 12 and 17 for Monday night. You can actually flex Thursday night. Yeah. Between weeks 14 and 16. Okay. That's just those two weeks? Yeah, just a bunch of those three weeks, yeah. Rules. I don't really. Sunday Night Football Flex can be used. twice between weeks 5 and 10 and any week 11 to 17. Okay. We haven't had any Sunday night flexes yet. I'm anti-flex. What do you mean? Really? I never liked the flex. Why? Because working for Fox for as long as I did, we'd lose a good game. I hate having that because you can only get I don't know how many you can protect.

43:56You're just a company man and you just want Fox to be have all the glory. But I do like the fact that NBC always really does have one of the best games of the week because it's like that Sunday night game. That ends your like obviously week. Monday's a new week, I get it. But in saying that, it still ends that week, which I love.

44:14Colleen Wolfe:It's true. I do, I hate it for the fans who buy tickets to the games and then they get flexed and like times change and like days, especially if it's like a prime time and they're going to flex like a Thursday or whatever. You've taken off work. You've maybe bought plane tickets. There's a lot of money. So that I don't love. but I do like when I get a better game in a prime time spot. That's always nice. Also, we had Carolina Panthers quarterback Bryce Young. He's expected to miss at least this game coming up against the Bills after suffering a high ankle sprain during Sunday's game against the Jets.

44:50Colleen Wolfe:So an MRI happened today. And so he twisted his right ankle. I don't know if you guys saw the play while he was being sacked in the third quarter. so it's something, I mean, high ankle sprain that's a tough one. That's a tough one, yeah. And Andy Dalton will be out there as his replacement against the Bills. The Red Rifle is back. We needed him in our lives. Let me talk about his hair. Elite hair. First team all hair. Yesterday I caught a glimpse of Josh McCown on the sideline just in the background and I was like, oh my god, look at that Lego hair. It's so good. He has incredible hair as well.

45:29Colleen Wolfe:but it is like lego hair in the best way possible and his kids have it too it's it's like a gene that has been passed down oh i you know i just i really appreciate good hair in general what someone wants to talk peeps oh my god yay you want to want to put them on mo mo might we only have a minute just hold on a second hold on a second hold them all right all right so i did put up a poll at richison show which is worse candy corn peeps peeps 65 early out of the gate Wow. Yeah, people like candy corn. Circus peanuts. That's a good one. I said that. Remember I did a list before, like the worst Halloween candies?

46:08And those three were, I don't mind peeps, but the orange little circus peanuts that taste like a, I don't know, like a sponge. I don't know if I know what those are. Well, you know what? Good on you then, because you don't want to eat all those. Yikes. I'll show you in the show.

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