Hour 2:  KAT’s Big NBA Finals Game 1, plus Basketball Hall of Famer Chris Webber

14:27Chris Webber:I will answer any question he has, truthfully and honestly.

14:31Rich Eisen:Dustin in Arkansas making himself available. There he goes. I appreciate him calling in about this. How about that? He said, I'm so glad. Listen, I understand fans get wrapped up. There's also, I believe, Chris Haynes reporting today. Two fans were the ones that were barking in a derogatory manner at Jalen Brunson. He went up to Scott Foster afterwards. He dropped that on Dan Patrick's show today on DP's program. And that moron ran out on the court last night. Compose yourself. But I do appreciate that there is a, you know, Dustin wearing his Admiral jersey is saluting Carl Anthony Towns for his living in the present, which is so tough to do for all of us.

15:25Not to go, you know, too deep here, but it's so tough to live in the present.

15:31Rich Eisen:And you were rightfully saying yesterday you thought the under was going to hit, and it did. Because game one jitters for everybody. And Carl's like, I'm stunned at what piece I had in a game where everyone's telling me it's the biggest, you're going to, the stage is going to be bigger and you might be smaller because of it. And he was small. When he first started taking, and I know this is not his first game against Wimbanyama by any stretch, but just seeing him. Cat is huge. I know. And he looks small. He's next to Wemby.

16:06Chris Webber:Because I went and I found a picture of me and Kat. I'm 6 '3", as you know. So I'm looking at a picture of me and Kat. And I'm like, man, this dude hovers over me. And he's that much smaller to it. There's another human being on Earth?

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19:31Rich Eisen:Chai's and Show radio audience is back with our Disney Plus and ESPN app feed. Good to see you, Chris Weber, my Hall of Fame friend. How you doing, C-Web?

19:39Chris Webber:Good to see you.

19:41Rich Eisen:So when you were last on the show, you were on with Suze, and you said there's going to be a blowout in game six for the Spurs, reaching a game seven, and lo and behold, that happened. Did game one surprise you of the NBA Finals?

19:54Chris Webber:Game one did surprise me. You know, not too many times am I a fan of the teams that isn't like my Pistons or my Kings, but I'm a fan of this New York Knicks team and the way that they play. However, in the beginning of the season, I picked San Antonio to win it all. And it's against kind of common sense being that they haven't had their proverbial moment of kind of needing to kind of get back in the game. They haven't had that big moment of let down and had to fight back and have that story of climbing uphill. But I think they're in a unique situation with Coach Popovich still. you know, being at the helm with their talent that they have, being loaded with guards.

20:43Chris Webber:But the way that Big Bobby Brunson came in and other guys played yesterday was just incredible.

20:49Rich Eisen:I was saying, you know, how Chet Holmgren mentioned how he was going to check his tape to see how he could get better after that Game 7 loss. And I was just saying moments ago, he should check Carl Anthony Towns' tape from Game 1. because he he there is no fear man right from jump last night with him what did you see about

21:11Chris Webber:that matchup yeah and to me that's the most important matchup and maybe why at times I didn't necessarily uh know if New York was going to prevail is because how physical is he going to be inside that's that's the main question and to me he did a great job of defending uh Wimby uh out on the perimeter, but then again, you have a seven-foot guy trying to go by you. You should be able to do that. I was more impressed with his rebounds. If Carl Anthony Towns averaged 12 rebounds during this, I think they'll win the series. Why? Because it helps control the pace. They get out, they get to run faster.

21:48Chris Webber:And that means that he was in close to the basket on possessions. And when you, you know, that may seem a little common sense, but that really means like, where was he in the lane? where was he helping on defensive rotations? Well, if he's always near the paint, that's what you want your big guy to be. And then on the offensive end, you know, Wendy has to guard and recognize this guy can shoot threes. He can get by you. But what I really love in knowing Mike Brown is that they put him at the free throw line extended and let him, you know, really go to work. And in that way, he can be a facilitator and take a lot of pressure off of the offense, off of the dribbles of Brunson.

22:27Chris Webber:So, yeah, Towns played well.

22:29Rich Eisen:Yeah, and you see every time Josh Hart grabs a rebound, he had 15, which was a game high for everybody on Wednesday night. They're looking to run. That's a Mike Brown concept. Obviously, the Knicks aren't the only team to do such a thing. But you said knowing Mike Brown the way that you do, how do you see the Mike Brown philosophy working here in a way that clearly wasn't working in previous years for the Knicks, Chris?

22:57Chris Webber:So they have a defensive-minded coach in Thibodeau who's a great coach and can get your team to that level. However, at this time, you need coaches that can get you the ball in spots with play calling, with decoy plays and others to get easy looks for their superstars. And though Brunson made some of the toughest shots ever, he was getting good looks and missing them. And when you have that good kind of frustration, you know you can turn that on at the end. He wants passing. He wants ball movement. He wants spacing and yes to push it. And that's why when you see a team like San Antonio go three for 19 in the fourth quarter, right?

23:34Chris Webber:Now, I remember doing a famous game of Golden State against Houston. And they missed something like 17 threes in a row. And I remember the criticism they got there in that game seven. When that same criticism needs to go to a San Antonio, you know, when you're missing those three-point shots, you got to find a way to get inside and get to the bucket or get to the free throw line. because when you miss free throws against teams that love to run and you take bad shots, your offense is your defense. And so those long rebounds, they're going to go and get an easy two. So I look for much better discretion in their shot selection come game two from San Antonio.

24:09Rich Eisen:Yeah, Mitch Johnson was talking about how Wembenyama needs to live in the paint more. That was a conversation after the game that makes me think this will be an emphasis in between games for sure. And when Banyama says, I just need to play better and everyone else will play better and we'll be fine game two. Do you agree with that, Chris?

24:33Chris Webber:I kind of do agree with it. If you look, it was close down the stretch. It was until the last two minutes when, you know, a team took off. So I do agree. But however, you don't want to be close with New York. They play so hard. I love their heart. I love the connectivity of the players. And so you just don't want to let a team be able to use passion when it's close, especially on your home floor. I mean, who, you know, Brunson gave him 60 piece a couple of years ago. I mean, he's confident. The big fellas are confident. Carl Anthony Towns yesterday, you know, was doing his thing. And so they're feeling great right now.

25:07Chris Webber:And I think if you're San Antonio, I do love the candor of Wimby Yama. I love the fact he says he wasn't worried in the slightest, but they're going to, you know, I love it a lot more if they come out and prove that.

25:18Rich Eisen:I'm about to ask you a question I can't believe I have not asked you yet, ever, let alone over the last several months as you've been a regular here. Being a guy so closely associated with his college teammates and what that was like from back in the day with the Fab Five, the Nova Knicks together. How does that manifest itself, do you think, Chris, in a game like Game 1 of the NBA Finals? Bridges who didn't really, his stat line didn't jump out and Hearts did at the end, but and Brunson, we all know what he's doing right now in his career. How much is playing together in college and winning in college manifesting right now, do you think?

25:58Chris Webber:So, man, this one rubs me kind of, this one rubs me a little bit. So throughout my whole career in talking to GMs, coaches, and now consulting teams and others, I've always tried to put emphasis on relationships. Because if you're already good at what you do, you're talking about coming back and you're going to be interviewing people from SportsCenter. And so all you guys have the same jersey on, but you had different names on the back of the jersey. And as long as you could trust that other guy with a different name, then you wanted to work with people that you like. You want to work with people that you have accountable, that held you accountable, that in your off time you could...

26:38Chris Webber:And I don't think teams really understand that enough. And hopefully with the way that, you know, these guys are playing, it could show that it means a lot when you play with guys in college or high school and you have that relationship, AAU or whatever, and you're both going for the same dream and goal because you're not competing against each other. You already have your check signed. And so it goes back to the schoolyard. It goes back to holding each other accountable, not overdoing it, having a history with each other. How about that? And so I think that, you know, New York has definitely shown that.

27:11Chris Webber:And speaking to a GM earlier this season, he was laughing and saying maybe I was right about that.

27:19Rich Eisen:I could say so. It does help, though, to have one of the three become generationally brilliant. Like maybe statue worthy if three more wins happen over the next two weeks in Brunson, right?

27:32Chris Webber:You're so right. But let's say that Brunson is not going to happen. It doesn't make another shot the rest of the game and play, or the rest of the series and play 48 minutes a game. Do you trust his effort? Yeah. I would say yeah. And that's part of it. You know, the effort of guys that, you know, you really do care who's standing right there on your side. And no, Brunson's generational. However, you know, he was at Dallas, and people didn't think he was generational, scoring the same amount. And until you have a coach like Thibodeau, until you had the heart of players that were just like him with that toughness.

28:09Chris Webber:And then you have the city and the fans behind it to kind of keep amplifying that. So, yeah, I really do believe that he would have been, you know, this great anywhere else. But I tell you what, I think he would admit that, you know, did you see that live video when he found out that his teammates were being traded and how genuinely happy he was? I think a fan showed him, you know, wow, you're about to get your teammates on his team. So you really can't quantify how important it is having your friend on a team with you while you're chasing the dream.

28:41Rich Eisen:Hall of Famer Chris Weber here on the Rich Eisen Show. So I think we've already, again, hit a little bit on Brunson, but I want to expound on it. What is it like in the fourth quarter? How do you do what Brunson seems to have the knack for doing? We're all looking for a secret sauce. What is it, Chris?

29:02Chris Webber:I think you're built for it. I think that it's a concentrated focus and a time that you can go back and trust your work, whether it is being in the gym all the time or, you know, I've known Brunson before he was born. I went to the McDonald's All-American game with his father. And we've always been close. And if you look on that videotape, if you look online and just see the workouts that he put his son through, I guarantee that a son would say at that moment during those times of his life when he couldn't see the end of the road. And if it was going to make him better, being in the park with his father and shooting those shots, that it's harder than what he's doing now because of the mental approach and where he was.

29:44Chris Webber:And it made him who he is today. And so I think that you prepare for it. I think the fact that, you know, I think, I hope that he's showing players that you better have a mid-range game. Like, he's not just sitting out there shooting threes. And neither does the best shooter in the world, Stephen Curry, just sit out there and shoot threes. He's one of the best finishers in the game. And to me, what he, what SGA and others are showing, that you can't be a standoff there specialist and shoot a bunch of threes. that you have to have the heart to take him into the hole and miss some layups and to be physical.

30:21Chris Webber:And I think that his mental mentality is tough. I think it is the way that he was raised and the expectations put on him about who he could be. And I think he just worked his ass off. And that's why, you know, only a few, you know, players really can shine, you know, in moments consistently like he has in the fourth quarter.

30:39Rich Eisen:I don't know if you heard this soundbite from Mike Brown last night about Rick Brunson's contributions. We always talk about Jalen's, but since you know Rick from back in the day and you're a Mike Brown guy, I don't know if you heard this about what was going down with the Knicks in the third quarter, second quarter, things aren't going their way and they're carping at the refs. I didn't do a good job of keeping my mind present in the game, and neither did our players. We were all bitching too much at the officials, and Rick Brunson was great. He told me to shut the hell up. Sorry, Mom. He told me to shut up or be quiet, and he told the rest of the team to be quiet and leave the officials alone.

31:17Rich Eisen:And, you know, it was great of him because we were all kind of losing our mind. And I did it. The rest of the guys did it. And it helped us put our energy elsewhere, especially in the second half. Is that track for you, C-Wend?

31:31Chris Webber:That tracks for me. I'm telling you, that's who his father is. That's who he was as a Knick. That's who he was as a player. That's how he is with his son. And that's why his son is that way. And, you know, you always, you know, I think context is great. And you have to realize he was with John Chaney at Temple. He didn't have the luxury to talk. He was told to shut the hell up every single day. So, you know, you want leaders like that on your team. And, you know, Mike Brown is cool, man. He was an assistant coach way back with me in the Wizard Days for his first job. And even going to championships and being from Golden State, He's kept that humility.

32:11Chris Webber:His context comes from Kerr. His context comes from Popovich. And he empowers those assistant coaches. You never hear a coach say an assistant coach's name in a scrum. You know, and giving credit to, you know, my staff, my staff. And so I just think the little things like that is why so many people believe that against all lives, because they're still going up against Goliath. No matter how great the Knicks are, they still weren't favored to win this series. And so you need people like that in the locker room to remind you who you are, to calm you down, to give you that focus. And it's good to see Coach Brown giving props to his assistant coaches that do so much of the work.

32:56Rich Eisen:How does constant carping at the refs sort of tear a team down, though? How does that manifest?

33:03Chris Webber:Because, like, shut up, be playing. Like, you know, certain times the reps are doing that. And there's other times, you know, you get tired of whining, you know. And if you can't whine in a practice, if you're on a good team, there's no whining in a practice. Matter of fact, the coach will let it go and let you get filed so that you have to learn how to get back on defense after you've been filed so you can change bad habits. And so who wants to sit there and cry all the time? It doesn't work. A call has never been changed because a guy went to the ref and said, you know, that wasn't going to file.

33:35Chris Webber:And so I think it keeps you focused on the big goal. Like, come on, what are we crying about this now? We got bigger things ahead of us. At least the times that I've got on this board, when teams were crying too much, whether it was myself or other players, it's been that. It's a refocusing of are we giving them that much power? Are they in control? Are we going to change this and go out there and be dogs and get it?

33:56Rich Eisen:Chris Weber here on the Rich Eisen Show. All right. So we kind of touched on it earlier that when Banyama needs to camp out and the paint more. What else? What do you think the Spurs can do, needs to do to get a different result in game two? Chris?

34:13Chris Webber:I think the Spurs are going to have to switch up the pacing. I think that trying to have Wim Bamiana win a track meet is not wise. It's not wise because it wears them down, and it's not wise because when you get shots, he's not maybe in position or where he'd like to be or you're not getting the best shots. I do expect their team to knock down more three-pointers. And if they do, you know, you're going to be in trouble. And I'm not saying that he has to be at the, you know, in the post, but he needs to throw a different array of moves. He needs to be at the free throw line where it's one dribble and he can just dunk and step in there where he doesn't have to cross you over or pump faith, but he can just do that, reverse inside, pivot, and take you right to the hole.

34:57Chris Webber:And then, you know, just give you a steady dose of his game, but in different areas. is he's so talented. Sometimes when you're so talented and you don't have the experience of playing against a team or being in a certain round, you can have empty impact and you don't want to have empty impact. Again, going back to guys like Shaq, and we always talk about who could have played and what generation. Well, you know, the numbers Wendby are putting up are incredible, but if he puts those numbers up and no one gets in foul trouble, or if he puts those numbers up and he doesn't, you know, stop guys from coming to the lane because you saw that Brunson was hitting mid-range jumpers.

35:38Chris Webber:So your shot blocking may not be as effective, but it's how do you wear the other team down? And to me, it's not with always taking long threes. It's making them worry. If Josh Hart switches out on you, you better go into the post and dominate and punish them and make them change their strategy. But until we see that, I think New York's going to have a chance. But Wimbledon is playing great. And I think, you know, as he said, after the game, he knows what he has to do. He'll make an adjustment. And they haven't lost after a game one loss. So I expect him to come back and to be great.

36:12Rich Eisen:So before I let you go, last one for you. Since we haven't spoken since the Spurs made the finals over the Thunder, if you're Sam Presti and you have an opportunity, I'm not saying he does, but if you do have an opportunity to send Chet Holmgren to Milwaukee and get Giannis back, do you do it?

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37:35Made him think.

37:36Chris Webber:Yeah. First of all, I wonder if Milwaukee would do that.

37:42Rich Eisen:Okay. I'm just saying if you could, if Milwaukee does that. Because you know he's on the market, and you're like, okay. You can send Holmgren and his contract. And picks. And picks to Milwaukee and get Giannis back and team him up with the kids you got in SGA. Do you do it?

38:01Chris Webber:No, I'm trying to convince Milwaukee to take all my picks and let me keep Chet. Chet is a once-in-a-generation body. Well, two, because it's him and Wendy. But the way that he can move and he's fluid. You know, I didn't expect Chet to be better than Wendy. I didn't expect Chet to score a bunch of points in game seven. I think that was shame on us or the media that thought that he could do that or that's who he was. He's never been that player. However, if he's your third best player, I mean, just think about the luxury of Towns, what he has with OG and what he has with Brunson. Just think about that piece.

38:45Chris Webber:If Chet can have that and be that third player, I think Chet, I mean, how could you score over Chet and Giannis? I would be scared of that. That'd be the best of length in there. So I try to get rid of picks that, you know, I don't have young guys because they have some young guys on their bench, but I'm not getting rid of check.

39:04Rich Eisen:Okay, Chris, thank you again. I love chopping it up with you. We'll do it again next week. In the meantime, enjoy the NBA finals, certainly because with Myles Garrett coming to Los Angeles, the NFL season is over on June 4th. NFL season.

39:19Chris Webber:The Lions are my team, but Stafford, That's my quarterback, so I'm happy for Stafford.

39:26Rich Eisen:You must be over the moon right now. Great to see you, C-Web. We'll chat soon. Hi, brother. That's Chris Webber. Hall of Famer Chris Webber right there. I love that. Made him think. He did. I thought we glitched for a second. Did we freeze? No, I saw that wasn't a freeze. I panicked. Brockman, I was like, what's going on? That was almost an end of Sopranos type delay right there. Had to think. But he had to think. He had to think. I think Chris was just trying to be polite, and he didn't want to throw. No, I think he thought about it. I think I made him. I threw him that curve. I threw him that Lord Charles, that Dwight Gooden 06, Lord Charles curveball at the end there.

40:10Rich Eisen:Let me tell you what I'm doing. Sending Chet to Milwaukee for Giannis. Facts. I'll even get him a real estate agent. He could just move into Giannis' old crib. Even swap. He'd have to kick his brothers out. Well, they're coming. You know that. 844-204-RICH-NUMBER-TO-DOLL. Your phone calls. In hour number three, the author of Go the F to College, Adam Mansback, is in our green room. He's going to come out and have a chat. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

40:47Rich Eisen:Just had a nice chat with the author, Adam Mansback. You may. Did you ever read Good Night Moon, Chris? Yes. OK. We did that all the time, Susan and I. And then and then. Adam wrote this book that became a New York Times bestseller and was big in our house as well, called Go the F to Sleep. And then didn't Samuel Jackson do the audio version? Indeed. And now is Go the F to College. and as soon as I heard Adams in town, you know, like Liz, it's like, you don't want them on. I'm like, I'm like, absolutely. I want them on church. Would you take them? I'm like, sure. Let's do it. Cause, uh, now my son, I used to read, uh, good night moon to is going off to college.

41:37Rich Eisen:Going after college. Um, Suze will be on the program in hour three as well. She stops by in advance of today's, um, episode of women's sports now. So that's coming up. Phone calls galore. She also had donuts dropped off outside. Yeah, I saw that, too. She dropped off the donut. That's just not for me. Yeah, well, we know that. She texted me. She's like, donuts at the door. I'm like, now's your chance. Okay. What do you mean at the door? She leaves them at the door. Yeah, they get right behind the studio. She's literally doing a drive-by. She just drops them and keeps going. Oh, okay. Yeah. Very good.

42:09Rich Eisen:So she leaves them outside. Come get them, fat boy. You get off the elevator. Come get them, fat boy. Has been told. That's how I felt because I went to get them. All right. Let's go to Ross in New Jersey. Ross in New Jersey. Ross. What's up, Ross in New Jersey? What's up, sir?

42:27Chris Webber:Going on, Rich.

42:28Rich Eisen:First time caller. I love the show, man. Oh. Attaboy. Where in New Jersey are you calling in from?

42:34Chris Webber:Bergen County, Elmwood Park. That's about 20 miles outside of New York City.

42:39Rich Eisen:So I'm right around the inner radius of this Knicks run, man. Well, Ross. I'm in a drive from MetLife, too. Okay. I know exactly where Bergen County is. I mentioned how I turned 30 during the 99 NBA finals between the Knicks and the Spurs. And I turned 30 in a bar called Denial. And I mentioned how Dr. Jack Ramsey and my Uncle Myron were in the same room. You never mentioned Uncle Myron. Uncle Myron and Aunt Isabel lived in Bergen County. River Edge, New Jersey. There you go.

43:08Chris Webber:Oh, yeah. I'm in River Edge all the time. You know Elmwood Park right on the river? Right off of Route 4. Yeah, I know where you are. Yep. Yep.

43:16Rich Eisen:That's East Coast folks.

43:17Chris Webber:What's up, Ross?

43:18Rich Eisen:What's going on?

43:20Chris Webber:Yeah, listen, the Knicks are taking this area by storm. And obviously, Rich, you know what your Jets, I mean, the misery, I don't need to explain it to you. It falls right on the Mets. The Knicks were probably the biggest culprit of it all. Out where you are now, you guys, you get Stafford and Garrett, Otani comes running over there, Rich, get richer. Out where you are now and with us, I mean, let's be honest, there's just some people here, I don't know if you know the personality, Evan Roberts, he's got a quote, winners win, losers lose. and the New York Knicks probably felt like one of the biggest losers in the world of sports, so much so that us fans were pretty much kind of paranoid that the Jalen Brunson contract, the day it was signed, would not turn out well.

43:57Chris Webber:I don't think even the most optimistic of Knicks fans, and I don't know if there were many back 10 years ago to the day, could have seen what Jalen Brunson and so on turned into. Listen, man, I'm 19 years old. You've got to go back 13 years before I was born. The last time any of my teams won a championship was the 1994 New York Rangers. And obviously, you know, your Jets, the Mets, kind of like that Long Island fan, they don't have anything since 86 with the Mets. So the fact now where you've got cities like Boston win titles every other year, you know, even L.A., Denver, even only having one sport in each of the big four, kind of seem like they have one every other year with the Nuggets and the Avalanche.

44:32Chris Webber:The fact that we're not only getting a run period, but this type of run where you win 12 straight the last time they lost a game was night one of the NFL draft.

44:40Rich Eisen:I mean, I don't think the most optimistic of New York sports fans could have even dreamed of this ever happening, man. Ross in New Jersey, Rackham. That is the way to describe exactly what's happening in that area, sir. Great call, dude. Well done. Thank you, man. You be well. That's Ross in New Jersey. A 19-year-old with a very aware sensibility of what's gone down there, man. So he's a Jet fan too, then? I just don't. Here's the thing. It sounds like it. I don't want to go in this direction yet. because when you start going in the direction of what it means and what it's looking like and whatever, this is just the beginning, man.

45:16Rich Eisen:I mean, a series only begins when a road team wins in the playoffs, so I guess technically the NBA Finals has just begun. Has begun. Right? But you can run away with it in your mind because the Knicks have run away with every series they've had. Every game. once they finally turned something on against the Atlanta Hawks in the first round. Yeah. And so you can run away with it by saying they're about to do that again to the Spurs, and I would just counsel against that sensibility. Let's see what happens Friday night. But if they go back to Madison Square Garden up 2-0, they would be giving they would be giving the Spurs the same dose of their 1999 medicine which is going to Madison Square Garden up 2-0 except they did it at home they did it at home what was the stat 70 % of game 1 winners end up winning the championship it is a massive advantage massive advantage not just because you've already established some sort of ability to execute on the floor, but you also now have that house money mentality going into game two and knowing all you got to do from now, all they have to do.

46:43Rich Eisen:And if you told the Knicks fans this going into the season, all you got to do is win your three games in Madison Square Garden and you got to parade. That's all you have to do. Tall order, but you'd rather say all you got to do, win in Madison Square Garden. And it's a wrap. Holy crap. And that rhymed.

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