Hour 2: LeBron’s Next Team Debate, TJ Plays Cowboys’ ‘Win-Loss Game,’ plus Mardy Fish In-Studio

15 Jul 2026 · 47 min · 14 chapters

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In short

LeBron James’ next-team debate (East vs West fit), TJ Jefferson’s Dallas Cowboys “win-loss game” prediction, and an in-studio conversation with American Century Championship golfer Mardy Fish.

Key claims

LeBron should choose a “closest-to-a-ring” Eastern option like Cleveland (Donovan Mitchell, James Harden, Evan Mobley) or a California/Golden State fit with Steph Curry and Draymond; Eastern Conference teams have the leg up over Minnesota and Golden State. TJ predicts a Cowboys 14-3 season and a No. 1 NFC seed, citing defensive upgrades (coordinator change, Rashawn Gary, Caleb Downs, Jay Sean Barham) and a “best kicker” weapon.

Notable examples

TJ’s Cowboys schedule run includes wins over Giants, Commanders, Ravens, Packers, Eagles, 49ers, Titans, Seahawks, Rams, Jaguars, and a Thanksgiving win over Eagles. Fish discusses American Century altitude (6,500 feet), tough greens, and his best shot: an eagle-setting bunker shot with an 8-iron.

Guests

Mardy Fish (three-time American Century Championship winner; former pro tennis player) and TJ Jefferson (Dallas Cowboys fan/segment host).

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Discussing Joe Burrow and the V Foundation

0:01 to 0:24

Rich Eisen talks about Joe Burrow's performance and charity efforts.

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Discussing Joe Burrow and the V Foundation

0:59 to 1:52

Rich Eisen talks about Joe Burrow's performance and charity efforts.

“Earlier on the show, ESPN SportsCenter host Scott Van Pelt.”

LeBron's Future Team Speculations

1:52 to 4:36

Debate around LeBron James’ potential teams as he considers his future.

“So they decided to give out a lab coat to the winner of the champions of the championship.”

TJ's Cowboys Win-Loss Game

4:36 to 9:45

TJ Jefferson plays the Cowboys’ win-loss game for the upcoming season.

“That's where, by the way, I was going out the door because it was time for me to go.”

Evaluating Cowboys' Season Prospects

9:45 to 14:00

Continuing the win-loss game and discussing the Cowboys' season outlook.

“By the way, your text exchange with Susie yesterday.”

Dallas Cowboys Win-Loss Predictions

14:00 to 19:51

The hosts discuss the Cowboys' potential performance for the upcoming season, analyzing their schedule and predicting outcomes.

“That's a nine and three record with five straight wins going into Seattle the next Monday night.”

Dallas Cowboys Win-Loss Predictions

19:55 to 21:16

The hosts discuss the Cowboys' potential performance for the upcoming season, analyzing their schedule and predicting outcomes.

“After all these years talking to athletes, coaches, entertainers, and people at the top of what they do, one thing is pretty clear.”

Mardy Fish In-Studio: Golf and Competition

22:15 to 28:00

Mardy Fish shares his experiences from the American Century Championship, discussing shots and the competitive atmosphere.

“The time before I saw you, you were on 12, which is a par three.”

Competing at a High Level

28:00 to 31:28

Mardy Fish discusses the challenges of competing in golf tournaments at high altitudes.

“Oh, man, I got to tell you, the course was great, another great time for sure.”

Audience Interaction: Questions for Mardy Fish

31:28 to 32:22

Chris from North Carolina thanks Mardy Fish for his mental health awareness efforts and asks him questions about tennis and golf.

“Yeah, no, it's it's yeah, it's not what we do.”
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Tennis vs. Golf: Current Landscape

32:22 to 38:09

Mardy Fish analyzes the current state of tennis and golf, discussing which sport is more top-heavy.

“Chris in North Carolina has a question for Marty Fish.”

Dream Foursome and Notable Golf Experiences

38:09 to 41:22

Mardy shares his dream golf foursome and recounts memorable experiences playing with famous athletes.

“Well, we haven't had a major winner since 2003 U.S.”

World Cup Matchup Analysis

43:15 to 45:06

Discussion on the World Cup matches and key teams' performances.

“England and Argentina are going to knock it around, if you will, later on today for the right to take on Spain, not France.”

Open Championship and Scheduling Conflicts

45:06 to 46:34

Discussion about potential scheduling conflicts between the Open Championship and the World Cup final.

“And it'll be epic, whoever they're taking, on Spain, Argentina, or Spain, England.”
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0:00MLB.tv on ESPN is your home for every out-of-market game, live or on demand. Catch your favorite teams and players, plus MLB Network and ESPN app features like Multiview, syncing your stats, key plays, bets, and fantasy, all in one place. Sign up now for MLB.tv in the ESPN app. Separate subscriptions required, blackouts and other terms apply. Visit stream.espn.com slash MLB TV for more information.

0:30Rich Eisen:This is the Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of the Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. I think this is the last year of Joe Burrow's exemption for taking the Bengals to the Super Bowl. This is the Rich Eisen Show. You had one game to win. It's not a one-game season. Joe Burrow was your quarterback.

1:10Bingo, sir. Earlier on the show, ESPN SportsCenter host Scott Van Pelt. Coming up, three-time American Century Championship winner Marty Fish. ESPN NBA reporter Dave McMenamin. And now, it's Rich Eisen.

1:32Rich Eisen:Our number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. It's SB Day. It's Raise Money for the V Foundation Day. So call in and we'll have a conversation. Sit back and enjoy the chats that we're having, including the one that we're about to have with Marty Fish, the champion of the American Century Championship for the third time. But for the first time, getting the lab coat, you know, just to want to make sure that everyone understands, since we are talking about we are talking about some charity that American Century, 40 percent of dividends goes towards medical research. So they decided to give out a lab coat to the winner of the champions of the championship.

2:18Rich Eisen:And Marty has brought the lab coat with him. Hey, now. so we've got a lab coat we've got a lab coater here i don't know it's like rory at the wimbledon in the green jacket that's right so uh he's he's here and we'll have a good chat with marty uh 844-204-rich is the number to dial right here uh we got aggregated again chris the sports center uh handle hit it oh our conversation in hour one oh fantastic with me saying hey if lebron's playing golf with uh draymond green and kevin hart in california you know um don't you think that means it's the warriors at the end of the day oh and i was pointing out that the california thing is where lebron lives sure and that's what i've kind of shorthanded for the warriors thing not because they're playing golf here in california long story short somebody said they were playing in new jersey so that interesting where is new jersey closest to philadelphia oh hey now but why How would Draymond be playing with him in New Jersey because LeBron's going to Philadelphia?

3:21Well, he's just there trying to like last minute like, no. So wait a minute.

3:24Rich Eisen:So hold on a second. Let's lean into this a little bit more. All right. So do you think at some point during this round, Draymond is telling LeBron, come play with us? And then Kevin Hart, I would imagine, would be representing your side of things. Exactly. Think about it. When you said Kevin Hart was on the golf course, I knew. But they could just FaceTime Steph, and then all of a sudden it's like Steph's making his pitch for Golden State. Well, you could be in a spot with no internet. Well, speaking of somebody who just saw Steph Curry, because I invaded his fairway. I think he did it on purpose.

4:08Rich Eisen:It's hard to do. I can't believe that dude. is he just, he's just, he looks like he's just ready to splash down at any point in time. Because he is. Because he is. And why wouldn't you want to play with Steph Curry at the end of the day, with all due respect to your Philadelphia 76ers? It's a very disrespectful thing to say. It's not disrespectful. Why wouldn't you want to play with Steph Curry if you're going out the door? That's where, by the way, I was going out the door because it was time for me to go. It's fair way. i i like that you just stopped mid shot and was like can we get a picture real quick well no i had already smoked it okay and and steph has was back into the fairway i was supposed to be right of course um and steph was like wow that's a hell of a shot oh yeah because it really was and i said i'm like can we take let's let's take a picture he was so happy and i was kind of like you know wait a minute am i busting up his mojo here he's trying to win sunday yeah yeah yeah And I felt the same thing about Smoltz because, you know, Smoltz is dead serious about this stuff.

5:15Rich Eisen:But then Smoltz came by, too. So you had a good lie just on the wrong fairway. And by the way, that's on the left side of the fairway that I was not on. My shot came off of the right rough. I mean, it went through there, past there, out of my fairway. You can, again, see the cart path behind them. I love it. All right. That's the cart path that I walked up and I should have been on the fairway to the left of that. Instead, I'm on the fairway to the right of it and in the rightmost part of the rough. Listen, this is about LeBron playing golf. That's pretty dope, though. Again, at the end of the day, if he doesn't care, travels, travel.

5:56Rich Eisen:He wants to live on the East Coast. That's fine. But if you do want to have a... Everything that I'm reading, right? Shams is saying that the Eastern Conference teams have the leg up over the Timberwolves and the Warriors. That's what it seems like. You know. Timberwolves being in the mix, that's kind of interesting. Do you want to chime in on LeBron James one more time? I mean, are you really? I would think that you had enough. That hot stove's already been touched. I don't want to chime in. I was just saying that adding LeBron to the Timberwolves is kind of interesting. It's an interesting mixture of personalities.

6:29Rich Eisen:I got it. Okay. And driving abilities. but if you're choosing between the calves and the um and the sixers right yeah and who's that who's Miami and Miami yeah that seems who do you choose if I'm him if you're LeBron James if you're somebody and by the way you've got to give it up that LeBron gave you a 22 emoji salute because that's kind of out of your playbook, man. You know what I mean? Like, you can't let it go. What is this guy thinking? LeBron is out of your playbook, man. You've got to tip the cap to the crown. I'm in his head, right? You're in his head. But let's just answer your question.

7:17Rich Eisen:His Sixers, Giannis and Bam with the Heat, where he's already been. He knows the area. He knows what it's like. he knows Riley, he knows Spoh. What about the Cavs? You go home, you play with those guys. What would you choose if you want to get the ring before you go out the door? Cavs made the Eastern Conference Finals last year. They were close to getting to the finals. They also won this year's analytics championship. Don't forget that. By the way, did you see apparently one of the Spurs assistants who's moved on said that if the game was, they would have won the series four games to one. Even if they wouldn't want in five if the games were like 46 minutes long.

8:00Rich Eisen:Go ahead. I think Cleveland is probably maybe the closest to a championship out of those out of those teams. They were there right there on the doorstep. You know, OK. Had a good series against the Knicks. You figure the meshing of abilities with Donovan Mitchell and James Harden and Evan Mobley. I think maybe just go home, finish the story and wrap it up in Cleveland. I still say the Warriors. I'm saying if you're giving me an East option. Again, if you're living in Southern California, and if that is a metric, right? And that's, you could play with Draymond. By the way, and we're just assuming money is not an object.

8:39Well, it seems like he's going to take the minimum

8:42Rich Eisen:or whatever the exception is. So Steph, Draymond, Jimmy, if he comes back healthy, right? Yeah, all-star break probably. poor zingas al some of the young kids yaxl yeah steve kerr is your coach and you're just up the coast and you're in san francisco i mean man that that's it that's that's where i would go yeah i know this yes sir much like me who has a love for dr j we spoke about this you know on monday very briefly how i got to meet dr j my my sports idol for the second time So LeBron also has a love for Dr. J. So why wouldn't you want to come to the place where Dr. J played and add a championship to the one that Dr.

9:31J brought the team? This is just me hoping and praying.

9:34Rich Eisen:TJ Jefferson making his pitch as the star of the At King James Instagram story feed. Yeah, I got to say that he don't get all 22 of those. I think at least 11 or half. By the way, your text exchange with Susie yesterday. Did you start that one? Yeah, I started that one. That was great. Because, you know, and what you pointed out, you just got your hair. You just got your cut. Susie goes, you look great in that video, TJ. And I was like, well, thanks. I just recently saw my barber. Right, exactly. But then that's when Susie suggested that you come on Today Show and say Patrick Mahomes is washed up and the Chiefs are over.

10:18Rich Eisen:Yeah, because I want to get aggregated. That's what he would say. but all i need to do is make a solid dallas cowboy stand and i at espn fl yeah they'll they'll hop on it like the cowboys win lost right now 17 and oh let's ride the momentum let's go really do you really believe it right now yeah i'm feeling good are you serious oh gosh okay because we're gonna call it an omaha here i mean i know we were planning for this we're gonna do this now yeah i'm trying to get on i'm trying to get on somebody else's ig story okay here we go Let's go. Okay. Here we go. This was totally another Omaha. We were not expecting to do this at all.

10:55Rich Eisen:This is amazing. TJ Jefferson is going to do the Dallas Cowboys. I feel good. I feel good. Wow. I feel good. Aggregated. Aggregated. Got none of my notes from when I was planning on doing it earlier. Push back on the 22. Laughing. Laughing his ass off emoji. Salute from King James towards Chris Brockman. At least he didn't give you the clown emojis. Anyway, you're feeling good about yourself. You got a fresh cut. Yeah, much like Booker T on my shirt. We're five-time champions. For the Dallas Cowboys. Let's go. At the Giants to start the season. What happens? Come on, son. Okay. Then you're home for the Commanders.

11:33The Washington football team, they're like 1-13 in the last 14 against us. Come on. Now you're in Rio, home, if you will, against the Ravens. Rio, man, there's a lot of temptation down there in Rio. What does that mean? You know what? I'm going to throw up to Larry Johnson there. I'm going to give us a bit now.

11:51Rich Eisen:Oh, boy. Two and one now home against the Texans. No, coming back to the U.S. at the Texans. Got to be honest, man. The Texans sometimes have our numbers, so honestly, that's probably an L. All right, that's a two and two start. Now a Thursday night, Baker Mayfield coming in. Respect due to your son, but that's a dub. Now you're at the Packers. Packers tend to do us dirty, too, right? but I'm feeling good because I've got Caleb Downs on my team. You love Caleb Downs. Four and two at the Eagles on a Monday night. All right. You know how I feel about these yard birds, but it's a road game, and Philly, I believe, will split, so I'll give...

12:34All right, now you're four and three, T.J. Wow. This is a full-blown, full-blown with the Cardinals coming into town. Some things just don't make sense, right? Right. No matter how much you look at the Cowboys a loss here to make them four and four. You know, this would be a five alarm fire. It's not going to be a five alarm fire. The Arizona Cardinals do tend to have our number, but not this year. Five and three at the Colts. The Colts. Nah, that's a dub. Six and three home for the 49ers. Listen, I've said since you graciously put me on this show behind this microphone, I've constantly said that the Niners are a hurdle that the Cowboys just simply cannot seem to get over.

13:17That being said, this year, call us Ronaldo Nehemiah because we're jumping over.

13:21Rich Eisen:Skeet says it's a 7-3 record. Home against the Titans. Look, no disrespect to Tennessee. I had a great time down there when we went to Nashville. Just say Dub. Look, there has not been anyone who's ever called and played this game that have said that their team's going to lose to the Titans. That's true. And so I'm not going to be the one who breaks that streak. Okay. Eight and three Thanksgiving against the Eagles. Let me tell you something. It's Thanksgiving. What do you have on Thanksgiving traditionally? Bird. Bird. Bird. All right. Deep fry it. However you want to do it. Finger licking good.

13:57Might be in the game. Might get me a turducken stick. That's a dub. That's a nine and three record with five straight wins going into Seattle the next Monday night. Monday against the Seahawks. What's a Seahawk? Bird. Another bird? You know how we feel about birds. We eat them. Dub. Six wins in a row. And now 10-3 here against the Rams. Now, normally I'd be like, what the Rams have done, I love what they've done. They got Miles Garrett, right? But the fact that Mike Del Tufo has promised that he will take me to this game, you can, you know, take that for what you will. But I know for one thing, my boys would not let me down if I'm in the building.

14:41You going? So, Ram, I don't know if anyone, Ram's kind of a goat. Are they the same? Lamb? I don't know. It's still food. It's called a win-loss game.

14:52Rich Eisen:It's not like Animal Farm. It's a dove. Let's go. What do we got here? Wow. Okay. That is now seven straight wins. Home for the Jaguars. Eat a Jaguar? You could if you could catch it. But I don't know if that's on the list. Listen, shout out to Tony Khan. That's my guy. Respect, do. But that's a dub. That's now a 12. And wait a minute. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, and 3. Why would that be? I'm a little bit off here. Okay. What do you got now for a finish? No, 12 and 3. Home for the Giants. Come on. Listen, respect. I love New York. It's my favorite city. but respectfully they can't touch us so that's a w that's a w all right one two three four 13 and three six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirty are we missing the game here well oh yeah then you're at washington to finish up look you know my boy spider he's called into the show he's a big washington football fan so this one goes directly to him you have no chance that is a win Get out of here.

16:0014-3. 14-3. That's one seed in the NFC. Oh, baby, we're back. We're back. You know, I took a few years off from being the annoying Cowboy fan. I knew we weren't going to do much. But look, all we have to do, Chris, is like I said, have a defense that doesn't suck. All right? If they're just, eh, okay.

16:19Rich Eisen:You got them starting 4-3 and winning the last 10. Yeah. In a row. Why not? I'm a fan. I love it. Cue the overreaction topic. Like the Cowboys have peaked too early. Dude, Cowboys going 14-3. The world would be a better place for you and me. And the world also don't move to the beat of just one drum either. As you just different stroke the hell out of that win-loss game. Listen, I believe the Dallas Cowboys have a better team this year than they had last year. Absolutely. I think they have fixed a lot of their problems on defense, whether it's changing out the coordinator and also, you know, getting Rashawn Gary.

17:06Rich Eisen:If I told you. What if I told you that you could trade Micah Parsons and then with the assets, move them around and wind up with Rashawn Gary, Quinnen Williams and Kenny Clark. Would that be something? Exactly. And you add Caleb Downs on the back end. Oh, you know how I feel about him. And you've got, again, this overshone guy is awesome. And you also drafted Jay Sean Barham from Michigan, who is a really good football player. And we have the best kicker in the league. Which is, he's a weapon. 70 yards. So you add that together with a healthy offense that comes back intact. Yes. With two superior wide receivers.

17:52Rich Eisen:have an opportunity to do what you're saying. Ryan Florinoy is the name to look out for. Okay. Oh, yeah. The 14 and three. You and Hart Denton, the actor from the latest Taylor Sheridan. Yeah. Dutton Ranch. Dutton Ranch. I don't want to spoiler alert anything, but I'll just say this. Hart Denton was there for a good time, not a long time. Yeah. I can't read this. I can't read my handwriting here. The people's something in Texas called in 14 and three. We played the win loss game for Dallas three times. Woo. 14 and three. All three of us. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Come on. So we all know something. It's our time.

18:35Rich Eisen:Dallas went to nine and a half. Well, like I said, who makes these? All right. Well, I was going to do my my power ranking of my top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL. We'll just have to punt that to our three. Brian Anger could do that. Well, Brian Anger was the first was the original punters or people to punter that had to go nuts during practice. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump in, but, you know, we're getting aggregated and I want to listen. You, sir, have many opportunities to change the subject matter whenever you want. But the one preemptory you have at all to put on the table and just reset the entire rundown.

19:14Rich Eisen:I want to do the Dallas Cowboy win loss game. Boom. I was feeling good. You were feeling good. and you might regret it. All right. Never. Get into the Hyundai getaway sales event and get away with a deal. So right. It almost feels wrong right now. You can get your great deals right now on our most popular models, including our adventure ready SUVs, like the Hyundai Santa Fe or Santa Fe hybrid and the Tucson or Tucson hybrid. Plus there's our bold and stylish Elantra loaded with the latest tech, or you can go all electric with the Ionic five or Ionic nine. So get down right now to your local Hyundai dealer and get away with a deal you'll love during the Hyundai Getaway Sales Event.

19:51Rich Eisen:Visit HyundaiUSA.com for details. He is a now three-time champ of the American Century Championship. Marty Fish in his lab coat coming up.

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23:01I saw you the last time from now. Yes. The time before I saw you, you were on 12, which is a par three. Yes. I was on five, which is a par three. Yes. They're not close to each other. And you were chipping back over to 12, which was a 135-yard par three, chipping back over from number five. Oh, that was another day. By the way, you're naming another day. That was a completely other day. No, no, no. I didn't see you that day. I didn't see you. You may see me. I saw you and went over, give you a big hug because I hadn't seen you that week. That's right. What are you doing on our on our whole rich type conversation?

23:42Rich Eisen:So, no, I was I sliced that one and got so far right on that one. And I also ran into Smoltz on that one as well. But I made an outstanding chip back to the green and had my first three putt of the entire tournament. Well, I can confirm you hit a good shot because the crowd normally does. See, the crowds are funny there at the American Century. So they clap only when they see, like, spin, right? Like, if you just spin the ball on the green, you can spin it 40 feet away from the hole, and they'll give you a little golf clap. They love it. But if you hit a shot, like I hit one on 18 out of a bunker.

24:21It didn't spin. It, like, sort of rolled up or whatever. I got nothing. I got, like, no claps.

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24:25Rich Eisen:By the way, you got claps in the bar that we were in because they took the World Cup match off of the screen because they were shutting the bar down for dinner service. And they put the American Century Championship onto the screens. And so the bar is packed. We saw your shot. It was your final shot, the final hole of day two where you're in the bunker. How far out were you from? I had an eight iron. and so, you know, was probably playing mid-60s or so. Dude, your shot out of that bunker to set you up for Eagle to take the lead, if I'm not mistaken, to finish round two. Well, I started that. Thank you.

25:07I started that. That was the best shot I hit all week. I started that hole down one point with the Stableford scoring system and then made Eagle there and went and started the third round up four. Yeah, which was a huge. That was a huge hole and certainly the best shot I hit all week.

25:21Rich Eisen:Marty, I swear to you, and I was saying this because I was watching it with Witt, with Andrew Whitworth and his son because we were watching the World Cup. It was England-Norway going on at that time as well. So it was a huge game. And then you come up with that shot. I said to Witt, I'm like, just take out the chyrons, take out the background of Lake Tahoe. And you could have told me this is a major, and somebody who's going to win a major made that shot. It was as professional quality as any shot. That wasn't, this isn't a major? this is a major no this is the fifth major i understand they talk about the players i don't mean to denigrate i mean to congratulate but that was unbelievable yeah no thank you that was sometimes every once in a while you know you're so there's so many people out there and we're not used to having people watch us i'm having people used to having people watch me play tennis right are you doing this correct doing what you do right um not what not what we like to do or love to do um and so you're nervous out there for sure and sometimes you just need like a really tough shot to sort of go for something and just hit something um and that was it and i i had i couldn't not commit to that shot um and it worked out well when i saw you and i'm like hey man if you win i'd love to have you in studio again every other year we've by the way i think the last time i did this was 2024 right so um i'm like if if this happens i'd love to have you in studio and you're like absolutely i'll do it and then i saw you the next day and i'm walking from one green to the next tee and you're on the green i believe you played your final round with pavelski and annika right okay and guys i saw marty you were on the green you saw me and um i waved to you right and you waved back at me and you gave me like a phone sign like i'll call you right and i'm like you You call me, right?

27:12Rich Eisen:Call me. And then you stepped up and you missed the putt. And I'm like, oh my God. I did that. Oh, you're right. Oh, you're right. That was kind of the only, you didn't do that. No, I did that actually. It was a three foot putt. It was just straight up the hill. I mean, I was upset that I even had that for par at that point because it's a short hole. That's number 11. It's a drivable. And I lay up and to hit a wedge. And I hit a six iron to hit a 60 degree wedge. I didn't hit it great, and I left it on a really tough downhill putt. You know those greens are tough out there. I mean, the defense of that golf course is the tightness of sort of the holes with the trees and everything, and it's very tree-lined.

27:53And then the greens. And the greens are tough. It's just tough to make putts. You weren't the only one that didn't make putts.

28:00Rich Eisen:Oh, man, I got to tell you, the course was great, another great time for sure. But what is it like for you to compete at such a high level in an event like this? The galleries, the people there are tens of thousands. I know. I mean, it's the real deal. What's that like for you against this competition? I mean, I always say, you know, every year there's new players. And every year it seems like there's good new players. This year I sent a text to John Miller, NBC Sports, and Gary Quinn. and said this guy Matt Boldy, he should play. We should get him. He's a gold medalist in the U.S. hockey team, plays for my Minnesota Wild.

28:44So we should get him in there. He's a plus two handicap or whatever. Boldy, it will take Boldy five years for him to play as good as he feels like he can out there. Just for getting used to the altitude. It's 6 ,500 feet of altitude, so you've got to play sometimes 10%, sometimes 12%. that's one of the toughest things to get the your wedges and your your irons the the distance is correct it's so difficult to do i sometimes and i'm sure you do this too i i sit there and i'm like okay i've got 179 yards and i i like to kind of i'm a hand sort of player i like to feel the shots and stuff sometimes i don't even like the the distances um and i'll just look at it and sort of hit it um and i'm sitting there you're sitting there with a nine iron you're like i can't hit this this far and so inevitably you just sort of swing as hard as you can or whatever and try to get it you go long a lot you smoke it you get yeah and so um or in your case you go right a lot so i uh and confirm so um and confirm so it's just hard to play well there austin reeves is another example i've had austin out to play at like hillcrest country club and i've seen him shoot 67 68 no problem that's a real deal club yeah and then go you know and then and then comes out and plays and finishes 15th and he can't you know and so it's just difficult it's just hard with all the people, the altitude, the time that it takes, right?

30:04Because they're long rounds.

30:06Rich Eisen:Yeah, there is. But it's also, it's not the pressure of playing in front of people. It's also you doing what we should do, which is meet as many people as possible. Although that's the way I approach it. Obviously, you're competing. No, yeah. But there's people who want, like, hey, take all these kids. I want to sign for everybody. and actually I signed a child this time around. Okay. Yeah, on 17 after I hit a six iron over the green. I hit the green. No claps. Six iron? Yeah, I know. Okay. Okay, listen, we're not all you, Marty. We all can't go for lab coats here. A short six iron, but okay. So it was, and I got it, it hit the green and it rolled off, and I was so ecstatic.

30:50Rich Eisen:Yep. And then I'm walking up and I see John O 'Hurley signing the left cheek of a baby's onesie, and I walked up and held the baby so he could sign it. And then I'm like, you know what? While I'm here, I'll sign the right sheet. I love that. Is that, I mean, I love John. He's not a great golfer. Well, he was there to keep me DFL adjacent this year. So there's at least that. Nice of him. But we had a blast together. But again, it's just out of body, you know, for me to just try and compete. So I have nothing but the ultimate of respect for you. And obviously you've competed in front of humans your entire life.

31:27Rich Eisen:Same thing with Steph Curry and Pravelsky and obviously Annika, you know, has done exactly this sort of thing. So congratulations to you on that. Thank you. Yeah, no, it's it's yeah, it's not what we do. I I practice hard. I've played in the last couple of years. I've tried to I've tried to get better. I've never actually tried to get better. I've just enjoyed playing. I've been the same golfer I was since I was 14 years old. Get out of here. Played like junior golf and stuff like that. And then obviously chose tennis. and I don't play, I used to not play, I used to just play with my buddies and I used to not practice or anything like that, just whatever, just go get some balls and go play.

32:06And that was the same golfer and so now I've just sort of, now I've got a swing coach, I've actually tried to get better and it's fun. Okay.

32:15Rich Eisen:I love it. I got a call, somebody wants to ask you a question. I got a Rich Eisen show listener, viewer, Chris in North Carolina has a question for Marty Fish. What's up, Chris? Chris, you there? Hey, what's going on, Rick? Chris, you're on the air, man, with Marty Fish. You want to ask him a question? Yeah. So I just wanted to thank Marty to begin with for sharing about all his mental health awareness. I wanted to ask him a question regarding tennis and golf. with Wimbledon ending and the British Open starting which sport do you think is more top heavy at the moment what's your dream threesome and then are you team Levitard or team Stugatz there you go ladies and gentlemen oh wow in North Carolina that's a lot

33:08I'm gonna let's see okay let's do the last one first team Levitard or Stugatz Stugatz was there i love mike ryan from the levitard show okay he's one of my favorite people he's one of my good buddies okay i'm on this soccer chat i mean they will not stop texting um if i don't look at my phone for a minute i've got 300 texts okay but i love being i love mike um i love stu gods i can't pick one of those okay but i know they're beefing i know they're beefing um let's move on um my dream let's call it foursome not threesome okay um great yep um dream foursome let's see uh let's put rich eyes in okay come on now we've never played golf together no that's not true we won we won that's the red cross of the charity thing yeah you got you got okay i'm taking him out i mean a travel bag you're totally right i totally forgot about that right yeah how could I forget about that?

34:04Yeah, because I am a forgettable golfer. Very forgettable. I played nine holes one time with Mr. Nicholas. It was pretty special. So you don't have to include me. Who would it be? I'll play an 18-hole round with Mr. Nicholas. I love gambling when I play. Got to put something on it. Got to feel the stress. Michael Jordan. Okay, jordan very good i played with him one time i thought that um i went to the bank and got 15 grand i swear to you this is a true story i was playing with michael just in case i had no idea what we were going to play for okay and so just in case i went to the bag i just i've never done that before but i went and i just had it just to just to have it you showed up i didn't want to play for that but i was like this is the amount that like you're comfortable losing i not comfortable i don't want to lose this but like it wouldn't change my life if this happened isn't that is

34:59Rich Eisen:that a jordan line or a tiger line famously when somebody asked like i'd like to gamble you know you want to gamble on something what do you want to gamble whatever you're whatever you're uncomfortable losing or something whatever whatever makes you uncomfortable right um and we got there and he goes what do you want to play you know whatever you know whatever whatever you want to do mj and um we played 200 200 400 dollars thank and i went oh thank god but you had enough though and so on the 16 t box he lays down 400 bucks and he goes i don't owe anybody anything here's your money and he didn't want to play the rest he didn't like the game or didn't like the fact that i had beaten or whatever and so yeah so i went 400 bucks okay off of michael jordan but prepared to i was prepared to show up you showed up to this golf course playing with Michael Jordan.

35:50Rich Eisen:In your bag was $15 ,000. At the Bears Club, we played with Luke Donald, who's an awesome dude, one of my favorite people. Keegan Bradley played that round. MJ. Ryder Cup captain. And one other one. Yeah, it was one other fantastic. Maybe it was Daniel Berger at the time. Daniel played. So, yeah, so it was I won. I beat him. Boy. What that? So that's three and then fourth. I mean, I've never met tiger woods i obviously love to play golf with him um let's go outside i love playing with steph he's like one of my favorite people he's so awesome he's such a good dude and then he's such an awesome player what is it like playing with yeah um at american century steph is one of those unique people where um he's he's that athlete that is good at like run jump sprint type stuff like lebron james but then can go over and is good at the handsy and feel feel type stuff um although he showed me a his serve motion in tennis it didn't look great okay yeah we can work on that but um but uh and then just a fantastic person and fantastic people around him he's got like the people around him are some of my favorite people too and so just he surrounded himself with awesome people he's awesome his dad his brother plays there seth in the american century so um We have a standing Wednesday round in Tahoe that we do every Wednesday.

37:21This year it was Jake Owen and then the three Curry Clans. Okay. Super fun. So how about Mr. Nicholas, MJ, and Stefan? And then golf or tennis, more top-heavy now? I think golf is more top-heavy for sure. I mean, tennis is dominated right now by Alcaraz and Sinner, Sinner specifically. But we saw that Sinner lose early at the French, and Zverev got his major, but it felt like Zverev was really kind of the only one other than maybe Novak that was able to win that. It was an attrition battle. Yeah, so golf is way more top-heavy at the moment. I think tennis is always deep, for sure, but the top 10 is fairly weak at the moment, I feel like.

38:05Rich Eisen:And everybody keeps talking about America and not performing well in soccer. What about the men's tennis? Yeah. Well, we haven't had a major winner since 2003 U.S. Open, which was Andy Roddick. I covered that. I was doing CBS work. I was there, too. After leaving ESPN for that long time. I maintain, honestly, if Roger or Rafa, just one of them, wasn't around, Andy would have won eight majors. He really would have. He lost so many times in big matches, in long matches, in close matches to Roger and Rafa, specifically roger like i mean andy should have won wimbledon multiple times um yeah they had an epic and then five setter yeah they had 2009 was there um you know 16 14 in the fifth andy didn't lose serve until 15 14 in the fifth set um which is one of the best matches ever off the back of 2008 final with roger and rafa um with that being one of the best matches ever um we have awesome players.

39:07Those two guys are so much better than our guys that they can't jump over. They've been able to do it in two out of three set matches, but three out of five is another beast.

39:17Rich Eisen:It is. Hey, man, it's great to see you. Congratulations. I know you've got the American Century hat, but here. Yes, I need this. Yes, thank you. Rich Eisen Jumpman hat for Marty Fish. Put this on. This is not my size, but we'll pull it like this. How about that? What do you think? It's adjustable. It's adjustable in the back there. Yeah, it looks great. Yeah, we'll adjust it. It's a Travis Matthew 2. It is that. Yep, there you go. Makes my sponsors happy. Okay, very good. There you go. Yeah, thank you for this. I'll be wearing it. At least the champions won it at least once. The champs will wear this one one time.

39:51Man, I got it.

39:53Rich Eisen:I do have to. Can you practice with Marty maybe next year? Yeah, can we practice? Sure. Let's play golf. Let's play golf. Let's play golf. I would love to do that, and you can carry me. Maybe we can get to the point where the American century were playing in a real round. Would you imagine? Could we dream that big? I can dream. I can dream, for sure. We're talking about the U.S. Open local. I can dream to make the U.S. Open in golf. Can you dream to get in? What's more likely? Oh, you just want to finish in the positive. What's more likely? I one day play a round with Marty Fish. Not round one, right?

40:30Rich Eisen:Where it could be anybody. The second round. Second round match. Or final round. With Marty Fish at the American Century Championship. Or I get a point off of Carlos Alcares. Ooh. What's more likely? Point off Alcares. Probably the point. Yeah. I mean, it's the point. Wow. It's pretty easy, actually. No, it's pretty easy. Certainly right now, he's hurt. I got him right where I want him. He's running scared. That's the way I'm looking at it. Congratulations. We got to get that done. Yep. Yeah, you said that, by the way, after 2024. when you didn't have a lab coat. I forgot. Here's the deal. Golf with you, and then you get me on a court with Alcaraz.

41:11Rich Eisen:100%. Ladies and gentlemen, the champion of the American Century Championship for a third time wearing his lab coat, Marty Fish. Great to see you, brother. Thank you for having me. Marty Fish right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Everybody, we're back with your phone calls and more in a moment.

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44:01Rich Eisen:I thought France got hosed on the penalty kick. I thought that the France player involved wasn't intending to harm. It was clearly an inadvertent high leg, if you will, on a Spain player that had his back to the play and had the ball hit him, what appeared to be in a handball area of the arm.

44:32Rich Eisen:And Spain gets up first. And once Spain gets up on you, that's it. They are going to play keep away. I thought this was a poor penalty kick call that went against France and went for Spain. But France couldn't do a damn thing after it anyway. And it just wasn't Mbappe's day. It wasn't France's day. You could kind of see that from jump. Yep. And now Spain is going to New Jersey to play in the final on Sunday. And it'll be epic, whoever they're taking, on Spain, Argentina, or Spain, England. Okay. It's epic. It's historic. There's a lot of history. and France just got outclassed. Outclassed. Yeah, Mbappe called their play sloppy yesterday.

45:28Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, the second goal they conceded was, again, typical Spain. They took about what looked like 15 passes and then France headed a ball out of its box right back to Spain. A beautiful give and go and that was, when they went up 2-0? That's a wrap, yeah. That was it. That was it. England's slight favorite this afternoon. Is that right? Yeah. Wow. Spain and England in the World Cup in New Jersey would be nuts. But obviously Argentina as well. I did read something that the Open Championship, which is being played at Royal Birkdale, which is up there by Manchester, Northern England. If England does make the final on Sunday, they're trying to figure out maybe moving times around because they don't want an empty golf course with everyone watching England in the final.

46:19Rich Eisen:So we might have a little conflict. Interesting. Yeah. So you say the Open Championship Gallery could look like mine on Sunday of an American Century Championship? I didn't say that. Where nobody's standing there? Yeah. And then imagine if Justin Rose or Tommy Fleetwood could win. maybe, exactly. Assume tape. They got to, they got to record it like Larry David. Oh my goodness. That's wild. Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen show live weekdays from noon to three Eastern on ESPN radio, Disney plus, and on the ESPN app, the Rich Eisen show, the podcast.

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Rich and the guys debate if LeBron James would be better off signing with the Heat, 76es, Warriors or Cavaliers. Die-hard fan TJ plays the ‘NFL Win-Loss Game’ for his beloved Dallas Cowboys. (2:08)

Former top 10 ATP tennis player Mardy Fish joins Rich in-studio to celebrate his 3rd win at the American Century Championship celebrity golf tournament, reveals who his dream golf foursome would be and what it’s like to play a round with the VERY competitive Michael Jordan, if an American will ever rise to the top of men’s tennis again, and more.  (19:40)

The guys react to Spain stifling Kylian Mbappe and France to reach the World Cup Final. (38:55)

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