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Episode Summary: The Rich Eisen Show - Hour 2
Podcast Overview Title: The Rich Eisen Show Episode Title: Hour 2: Live from the NFL Combine with Cowboys COO Stephen Jones, Daniel Jeremiah & Jeremiyah Love Description: This episode features in-depth analysis and discussions from the NFL Scouting Combine. Key figures including NFL Network Analyst Daniel Jeremiah and Cowboys COO Stephen Jones share insights on draft strategies, standout players, and potential trades.
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Key Guests
- Daniel Jeremiah: NFL Network Analyst
- Stephen Jones: COO and co-owner of the Dallas Cowboys
- Jeremiyah Love: Notre Dame Running Back
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Major Highlights
NFL Scouting Combine Insights
- Defensive Standouts: Discussions centered around potential draft picks, particularly defensive players like Sonny Styles, Arvell Reese, and David Bailey, and their prospects in the upcoming draft.
- Jeremiah highlighted Sonny Styles' impressive performance, mentioning his versatility and athleticism.
- Debate over whether edge rushers like Rueben Bain Jr. and Cashius Howell's arm length concerns are valid.
- The Jets' potential draft strategies were explored, with Jeremiah suggesting they might prioritize an edge rusher.
Dallas Cowboys Draft Strategy
- Stephen Jones discussed the Cowboys' needs, emphasizing the importance of strengthening their defense.
- The franchise tagging of WR George Pickens was a significant move, highlighting the pressure of managing several high-performing receivers while maintaining salary cap balance.
- The Cowboys' strategy of potentially moving up in the draft was also emphasized, indicating confidence in their ability to secure impactful players.
Jeremiyah Love's Perspective
- Jeremiyah Love shared insights on his playing style and mindset, emphasizing the need for a little "craziness" to excel as a running back.
- He discussed his aspirations of becoming a Hall of Famer and the importance of being a versatile player, willing to contribute in various roles, including special teams.
- Love expressed excitement about possibly playing with top quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes, mentioning his roots in St. Louis.
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Key Concepts and Discussions
- Draft Predictions: The episode featured speculation on who might be drafted where, with an emphasis on the positional value and needs of various teams.
- Player Versatility: The discussion around players like Sonny Styles underscores the NFL's increasing appreciation for versatility in talent, allowing players to contribute in multiple roles.
- Team Dynamics: Stephen Jones highlighted the importance of balancing high-profile contracts and the necessity of a well-rounded team to compete for championships.
- Craziness in Football: Jeremiyah Love's insights on the mindset needed to thrive as a running back touched on the unique psychological traits athletes must possess.
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Conclusion The episode captured the excitement and anticipation surrounding the NFL Draft, with prominent figures discussing strategies, standout performances, and potential trades. The dynamic conversations illustrated the complexities of team management, player evaluation, and the sheer unpredictability of the draft process.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VONFL Combine Highlights
1:30 to 2:30
Rich discusses standout performances and upcoming guests at the Combine.
“Live from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.”
Analyzing Sonny Stiles and Draft Picks
2:30 to 5:00
Daniel Jeremiah breaks down Sonny Stiles' impressive performance and draft implications.
“I led the show by saying I've never seen anything like Sonny Stiles.”
Team Needs and Draft Strategy
5:00 to 8:00
Discussion on various teams' draft needs and potential player selections.
“Like, I think David Bailey at this point in time is where I would peg them.”
Quarterback Discussions and Mock Drafts
8:00 to 10:00
Daniel Jeremiah evaluates quarterbacks' potential and mocks draft scenarios.
“who I like as a really good player out of Texas A &M, there are notes.”
Players to Watch at the Combine
10:00 to 12:20
Insights on standout players and their performances expected at the Combine.
“in terms of the offensive guys and what they look like, but that's a tough act to follow with what we saw yesterday.”
Final Thoughts on NFL Combine and Players
12:20 to 14:01
Wrap-up of Combine insights and potential impact players for the draft.
“and how to interact with your teammates and really take on a leadership role, it sounds like he was pretty introspective with the teams on that.”
Fast Players to Watch at the NFL Combine
14:01 to 16:42
Discussion about standout players expected to perform well at the NFL Combine.
“Dylan Thienemann from Oregon is going to test really well and can really, really move.”
Trade Strategies and Team Needs
16:43 to 19:22
Exploration of potential trades and team strategies for the upcoming season.
“Did you mention getting weapons for Cam Ward?”
Free Agency and Player Contracts
22:36 to 25:15
Discussion about player contracts and the impact on the Cowboys' roster.
“So speaking of free agency, you made news today, a franchise tag for George Pickens.”
NFL Competition Committee Insights
25:16 to 28:00
Insights into the NFL competition committee's considerations and rule changes.
“Is the tush push still on your radar screen, or you don't think there's going to be anything forwarded from the committee for membership to vote on this year?”
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Replay Assist and Officiating Challenges
28:00 to 33:45
Explore the complexities of replay assist in NFL officiating and its impact on game pace.
“What a game that was where Seattle got a two-point conversion awarded after it seemed to be an incomplete pass, and then replay assist chimes in and says that was a backwards pass.”
Jeremiah Love's Football Journey
35:31 to 42:00
Hear Jeremiah Love discuss his experiences, aspirations, and the NFL draft process.
“Jeremiah Love here on the Rich Eisen Show talking about Doug Walker winners.”
Jeremiah Love's Path to Notre Dame
42:00 to 43:36
Jeremiah Love shares his close call with choosing the University of Michigan over Notre Dame.
“And then also I've got to do some PR stuff too.”
Wrap-Up with Jeremiah Love
43:36 to 44:12
The hosts recap their conversation and say goodbye to Jeremiah Love as he departs.
“That's Jeremiah Love right here on the Rich Eisen Show, everybody.”
Reactions to Jeremiah Love's Decision
44:51 to 47:12
The hosts discuss the implications of Jeremiah Love's near decision to join Michigan and the broader NFL context.
“your face when he said, I was this close to going to Michigan.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Rich Eisen:We're leaving today and entering a world of Mickey Mouse waving, princess meeting and greeting, lightsaber clashing, the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror dropping, Banshee flying, Space Mountain launching,
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1:00Rich Eisen:This is The Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody.
1:04Daniel Jeremiah:Can't get enough of The Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show. Live from the NFL Combine in Indianapolis.
1:34Rich Eisen:Caleb Downs. I'm a University of Michigan Wolverine. I'm not going to get up now. That's just... Earlier on the show.
1:39Daniel Jeremiah:NFL Network reporter Stacey Dales. Coming up. NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah. Chief Operating Officer and co-owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Stephen Jones. ESPN NFL analyst Mina Kimes. And now, it's Rich Eisen.
2:00Rich Eisen:Our two of our fourth and final day right here on the Rich Eisen Show at the NFL Scouting Combine on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, and so much more. Stephen Jones, the co-owner and COO of the Dallas Cowboys, 20 minutes away. The franchise tagging of George Pickens went down today. They even want to wait till Tuesday, so that's already in the books. Carson Beck stopping by in our number three, along with Meena Kimes. But joining us to kick off our number two is my guy, Daniel Jeremiah, because I can't quit him enough.
2:30Stephen Jones:Good to see you, buddy. How are you? Good to see you, man.
2:32Rich Eisen:I led the show by saying I've never seen anything like Sonny Stiles. And I know Arvel Reese was outstanding, and I understand that David Bailey was outstanding. But what Sonny Stiles did, I've never seen anything like it. Triple crown last night, man.
2:47Stephen Jones:No, I just walked from the stadium over here and sweat significantly more than Sonny Stiles did after jumping 43 and a half inches, running in the 4-4s, and dominating a field workout. Pretty much. That was the thing that stood out to me. It wasn't just how smooth he was, how fast and explosive he was. The rare players, the elite players, they have an endless gas tank. And it's like he looked like he'd have done 10 more of those workouts yesterday.
3:11Rich Eisen:Yeah, he was not out of breath telling Stacey Dales, I should have jumped higher.
3:15Stephen Jones:She was 45.
3:18Rich Eisen:So as I talked on the show with you last night, let's try and replicate it here. The first overall pick in the draft was at the podium this morning, correct? All right. So Fernando Mendoza will check the box. The second overall pick in the draft worked out last night, correct? You agree with that? I would agree with that. All right. Walk me through the choice the Jets have and what you think might actually come out in the wash in Pittsburgh.
3:46Stephen Jones:Well, there's a desperate need for an edge rusher. There's definitely for an impact defensive player. So when you look at the first part of the discussion, it's like, who are the defensive players worthy of going all the way up there? And we saw all three of them last night. So it's David Bailey, it's Sonny Stiles, and it's Arvel Reese. Well, as much as I love Sonny, and we're talking about the unbelievable workout that he had, you know, they just traded Jermaine Johnson. That's a hole for them at the edge rusher position. They need somebody there. They need an impact player there. I tend to think if it's close, they probably go with an edge rusher.
4:17Stephen Jones:So then that puts Sonny to the side. And then you're down to Arvel Reese and David Bailey. David Bailey is the more productive edge rusher. He's played that position for an extended period of time. There's proof of concept. You know exactly who and what he is, which is exceptional. Then there's Arvel Reese, who I would argue has even more in his body, like more just raw talent and explosiveness. He's a little bit better athlete, like Bender and all those things, but has split his time from off the ball as an off the ball linebacker and an edge rusher. So where I think Arvel Reese could end up ascending past Bailey, I think Bailey is better right now.
4:51Stephen Jones:And I think there's still like double digit sack potential and it's double digit sack player. So it's not like you're taking some low floor, unathletic guy who's just got some sacks. Like, I think David Bailey at this point in time is where I would peg them.
5:05Rich Eisen:So wouldn't Stiles have a plus in the fact that you could put him in so many places? And you don't, I mean, he could rush the passer as well? Yeah, I mean, I would say there's anything he can't do.
5:20Stephen Jones:It's just you don't have a whole lot of examples there. This is a former safety who's now, you know, grown into a linebacker. And then now you'd be asking to do something totally new there on the edge. Watching that guy yesterday, I wouldn't put anything past him. But it's not like we watched Sonny Stiles run 4-4-6 and David Bailey and Arvel Reese run 4-6-5. One ran the exact same time, but the other guy ran 4-5 flat.
5:45Rich Eisen:So these guys are all three specimens. Okay, so now this leaves, what, Arizona at three to decide between Maui Noah and whoever the Jets don't take? Is that basically the way this is now playing out right now?
6:03Stephen Jones:Yeah, and I think that's the case. And you could look at it and say, okay, we haven't seen Jordan. Jeremiah Love yet, what he can do, and I think he'll put on a show as well.
6:14Rich Eisen:To go up as high as three?
6:15Stephen Jones:I mean, I just think you're looking at the best players and the most impactful players. He's my second overall player, so he's going to be in the conversation. At least you have to discuss it. But if I was going to say, what do I think they would like? To me, I would think if you're Arizona, you'd probably like maybe Malanoa moves even better than you thought. He's 340 pounds, and we can solve some of the issue along the offensive line, and there's a lot more they need to solve as well.
6:41Rich Eisen:All right, so then at four, you've also got the Titans. And what do you think that their thought process would be based on what we've already seen?
6:53Stephen Jones:Yeah, I mean, what we've seen so far, they need somebody to compliment Simmons inside and Jeffrey Simmons. So you've got some pretty good options here. We'll see. You know, Reuben Bain, and we had the discussion, you know, yesterday, the arm length and how comfortable are you with that? and the tape warrants being in that conversation right there. And I will see if they're comfortable with that. But that's where I had them going. But, I mean, if you want to give your young quarterback, your second-year quarterback, a big-time weapon, you'll have your pick of the receivers, whichever one you'd like.
7:23Stephen Jones:I would think that would put Carnell Tate in the discussion. How much does the arm matter to you about Bain right now, given the production we've seen this guy throw in college? So the way I explain it, and look, people care about it, and there's some teams that will ding him more than others. I like to look at it as I didn't know what his arm length was. I knew he had short arms when I watched him. So when you're watching him, do I have notes on my paper where I'm saying, gosh, he plays a little short arm. Like the short arms have been a concern, and I don't have that in my notes. So when I don't have that in my notes, I don't get as, you know, worked up when the arm length doesn't come there.
7:58Stephen Jones:But on the other side of it, Cassius Howell, who I like as a really good player out of Texas A &M, there are notes. Again, don't know what his arm length is, but there are notes where I think he gets stuck and he struggles to get off some blocks at times. And then he comes in and he's got 30 inch and change arms. Well, then, OK, now there's it's a real discussion. And now you've got to figure out where he fits in.
8:18Rich Eisen:So if you're not noticing it on the all 22 and you're not noting it, then I get more comfortable with you do. I do. But most of the time, though, from your world of scouting, you notice short-armed guys or at least guys who don't have 31-inch arms rarely or they've never had a double-digit sack season in the NFL. And you pair those things up and suddenly somebody like Bain could drop. Yeah.
8:48Stephen Jones:And then I've been in the rooms and I understand the discussions and the numbers are the numbers. Right. It's just like I think Micah Parsons is what, like 31 and a half. I mean, he's got – Micah Parsons has shorter arms. And I know in talking to some D coordinators, a lot of it is the ability to finish. Yes.
9:04Daniel Jeremiah:And I'm sitting here going like, does that really help you finish?
9:09Stephen Jones:Like that much difference? Yes.
9:11Rich Eisen:Like the tape's too good. I can't quit them. So this mock draft that we keep popping up on the screen, it's what, about a week old pretty much? Yeah. Yeah, we'll see changes. Do you pop Styles into the top 10 now? How do you not?
9:26Stephen Jones:He's been my, I think he's my fifth overall player.
9:29Rich Eisen:I'm only asking to prepare myself for what I think is the inevitable. JETS? No, that there's going to be four Buckeyes in the top ten. That we're going to sit, that Tate could go, Downs could go, Styles goes.
9:44Stephen Jones:They're all my top nine players. And Reese. So we've got the mock draft up here. If you looked at my top 50 list, I've got all four of those guys in my top nine.
9:51Rich Eisen:But I guess there's need.
9:54Stephen Jones:Yeah, positional value factors in, and there's some need and where teams could go. I mean, we haven't seen the whole – we haven't read the whole book yet in terms of the offensive guys and what they look like, but that's a tough act to follow with what we saw yesterday.
10:06Rich Eisen:Why do you have the Giants snagging Carnell Tate right now?
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10:09Stephen Jones:Well, I go with the theory of you've got a second-year quarterback, and it's the same theory you could use with the Titans to have that conversation. I just think Jackson Dart, you know, let's get him going. Let's get him up and running. Let's show that we've solved the quarterback issue. And last year, when you have the injury to neighbors, I mean, he had Wondell Robinson. There's not a lot he was working with there. You can't do that. You've got to give him a fighting chance. They need some more weaponry. And Tate's a really good player who is going to run 4-4, jump well, elite character, all that stuff.
10:38Stephen Jones:These Ohio State guys, man, they've been very impressive.
10:41Rich Eisen:They have. You know, just like they could have only won more. How did they ever lose? Incredible.
10:47Stephen Jones:Somebody brought up a good point, though. To a walk-on quarterback. I don't think they gave up more than 17 points, right, in any games.
10:53Rich Eisen:So the defense did their part. Yeah. And I'm telling you. Wow. Again, my eyes popped out of my head with Sonny Stiles last night. And I'm just wondering who passes up on him in the top 10, right? But you have needs if you want to go wide receiver. You obviously love his top 10, right? Like there's no question he doesn't come out of the top 10. Yeah, he's too good of a player. He is too good of a player, right? And that's what we'll be talking about on Saturday as well. So which quarterback do you think we're going to be coming out of the Saturday spinning to go, all right, he is, in fact, going to be the second one taken and potentially even in the first round?
11:28Stephen Jones:Yeah, I mean, I think Ty Simpson is going to be the second one. And I'm excited to see him throw. He's going to do everything. If I was going to say who has a chance to really help himself with that workout, though, I would go Carson Beck.
11:38Rich Eisen:Yeah, he's coming up here in the third hour. Why do you think that? Well, a lot of things.
11:42Stephen Jones:Number one, he's played a lot of ball. He's won a lot. I think he's won 37 games. He's been in big stages, big moments, big games. He's got the size. He throws the ball. Just as a thrower, mechanically, he looks like Carson Palmer, how he throws the ball. He just doesn't play the position as well as Carson had played it coming out. So there's still growth and development that needs to take place there. And talking to teams, and I'm excited to see what you think of him, and talking to teams that visit with him, he's talked about his kind of maturation throughout his time.
12:12Rich Eisen:Well, he was in Bryce Young's recruiting class. He better be mature.
12:17Stephen Jones:Yeah. But, I mean, just in terms of some lessons learned and how to interact with your teammates and really take on a leadership role, it sounds like he was pretty introspective with the teams on that.
12:27Rich Eisen:And Mendoza's just the dream come true, right? I mean, because Chris started the show by saying, if you're the Raiders and you trade Max Crosby, why don't you take one of these defenders first overall and leave Mendoza on the board and go in the draft next year and get your guy. What do you think of that idea?
12:47Stephen Jones:I would just say Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, and Bo Nix. You don't want to bring a knife to a gunfight. You've got to get the quarterback. You've got to get him. You need an edge rusher to go get those guys, though, right? Yeah, but I just think you're just spinning your wheels. If you can't get the quarterback thing and it's like – You know one of the best defenses in the NFL last year, the Browns? Does anybody know or care? No. They didn't have the quarterback. Yeah. So, I mean, like, you just, it is what it is. I get it. I'm just throwing out a theory. And you can't just sit there and say, well, next year there's a bunch of these guys.
13:20Stephen Jones:So there's no guarantee you're going to be in position to get them. There's no guarantee all these guys are going to come out. Right. Staying in college football has never been more attractive. I mean, Dante Moore's shown you that. Sorsby could have come out this year. He stayed in school. So you can project in what you think classes are going to look like, but you don't know.
13:35Rich Eisen:Who are we going to have this weekend you're looking forward to? So give our audience a mind's eye of what we should be checking out tonight, Saturday, Sunday. What do you got for me?
13:44Stephen Jones:Yeah, we'll have some fun tonight watching these guys run around. There's a couple safeties I'm really excited to see. I don't anticipate Downs doing anything. But you'll see the next two guys for me. McNeil Warren is a safety out of Toledo who's 6 '3 1⁄2", over 200 pounds. I think he'll run and jump pretty well. He's a really good player, first-round caliber player. Dylan Thienemann from Oregon is going to test really well and can really, really move. So those are a couple DBs I'm looking forward to. And then as we get later on in the next couple days, these wideouts, Brennan Thompson's going to challenge the 40 record.
14:16Stephen Jones:You think so? Mississippi State. Yeah, he can roll. Not the biggest guy in the world, but electric speed. We'll see Burks from Oklahoma is going to run crazy fast. There's a kid from Kentucky that can fly receiver. The receiver group is going to be insanely fast. Okay. And then Love is going to test out of the roof, right? Yeah, he's going to roll. Look, we've talked about this before, but I don't know that I've seen a guy with his style, which is if you were to put a defender on a line and he was here, say they're 50 yards apart from each other, you're running. He's able to make this guy miss without changing speeds, and he somehow navigates around him with a spin or just a little move.
14:59Stephen Jones:It's not like he stops and goes laterally. He's going forward, and somehow he's elusive enough and slippery enough to make the guys miss. It's crazy.
15:08Rich Eisen:I don't think the Saints pass up.
15:09Stephen Jones:I was just going to say, he doesn't get by eight, right? He's in this. I think he's going to park his car in the neighborhood of 789, and we'll see kind of where that fits.
15:20Rich Eisen:I keep saying this, and I'm going to say it again Saturday. I'm the Giants. I bring them in, and I just talk about how much you love them.
15:31Stephen Jones:Yeah.
15:31Rich Eisen:You know? Try and come up some interest. Damn straight. Yeah. Damn straight. If he's that good and you want to go get him, you've got to forget about getting in front of the commanders. You've got to get in front of us if you want love. And you can then move down and take any of these guys that you've been mocking them to get.
15:53Stephen Jones:To me, the other interesting thing with him, because we've talked about trying to find where the trade possibilities. And to be honest, it doesn't line up well because you're looking at the second quarterback. I don't get the sense that there's the excitement there for the second quarterback. You look at pass rushers, well, we just have so many that that kind of kills that demand. And then you look at maybe drop-off in position. Like if there's only two offensive linemen or three offensive linemen, wherever that last guy is, people want to get on that train before this ride's over. So I don't think we have all those things.
16:22Stephen Jones:The one thing that I'm just, let's get through free agency. Let's see maybe some picks get acquired via trades. Are there teams that are this close? And this is the little cherry on top. is to go be aggressive and go get love. I mean, we feel more like one of those teams than a team that's just picking in the top 10 is not a great team and making that move. It feels more like a team that feels like they're that close.
16:44Rich Eisen:Did you mention getting weapons for Cam Ward? I know four is really high for a running back, but did Zeke go four?
16:50Stephen Jones:Why wouldn't they take a shot at Tennessee at four? Yeah, my only thing with them is that, again, though, we'll see what they do in free agency. They've got to build up the offensive line.
16:59Rich Eisen:They've got$100 million in free agency. They've got the most cap space right now of anybody in England.
17:05Stephen Jones:And they just let Cushenberry go, so that's another one that they've got to replace. But, I mean, the great thing about running backs, and we'll talk about it, Rich, is the Saquon Barkley test is perfect. Saquon Barkley in New York was fun for a while, I guess. And then all of a sudden in Philadelphia, it's 2 ,000-yard Super Bowl fun. You know what I mean? So who's going to be able to maximize one of these guys? You want to have it kind of built. I saw with the Raiders last year. Actually, Gentry had no chance. He's getting hit in the backfield on every single play. Every single play. He's a good player.
17:35Stephen Jones:Like, you've got to have a little bit of that infrastructure in place for the back. Last one for you. Do you think Crosby gets traded? Not unless the asking price comes down. Just talking to teams, it seems like it was pretty astronomical, and I didn't know that there was anybody that was going to meet that. From what you're hearing. Yeah, which is where it is now. Maybe this is just, hey, aim high, and then maybe you take a little less. The Bears are the team that make the most sense.
17:56Rich Eisen:Well, because he's out of the conference. Yeah. they're that player away. It's a need. They could be like this year's Packers.
18:05Stephen Jones:Yeah.
18:06Rich Eisen:Right, where you feel like you're ready to go. You got the quarterback. You got the coach. You got everything else. Let's just add big-time pass rusher. I know every, I'm sure in all the interviews you've done this week, anytime I've been on a Chicago spot, they're like, what about Max Crosby?
18:21Stephen Jones:Yeah.
18:22Rich Eisen:That they're thinking it. The fan base is thinking it. I mean. That one's the one. It's just what the price is going to be. Well, what price would you strike it at first?
18:32Stephen Jones:To me, I think it's a one and a conditional where, you know, performance or playtime based. Maybe it's a, you know, a three that turns to a two or a four that turns to a three.
18:43Rich Eisen:Why would the Raiders do that? Just because they need as many picks as possible? Yeah. Or it is, in fact, over and then you just need to do it?
18:51Stephen Jones:Well, I just think with the Raiders, it's, you know, it feels like Mendoza's the guy there. Let's give him the best chance we possibly can. So that's unlimited resources from free agency, getting more picks, focusing on that side. And I've kind of just talked about when you're in a draft room, you have the draft board set up, and you've got the offense on one side and the defense on the other. I would go over to the defensive magnets, which I don't think they use magnets anymore, but I would just wipe those things all off and go, we'll do that next year. We're just going to go all offense and try and give Mendoza a fighting chance.
19:21Rich Eisen:See you in the booth, sir. See you in the booth in about a couple hours. It's Daniel Jeremiah right here on the Rich Eisen Show. Don't go anywhere. Stephen Jones is about to take the chair. That DJ is unoccupied. That's next.
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22:00Jeremiyah Love:I mean, you know, you can't get too caught up in just one of them. Right. The good news is, as you said, there were multiple players who went out there and really played well and in our mind really helped themselves. So, you know, that bodes well for us. I mean, we're not at the very top where we're going to just get to have our choice. So we've got a little bit weight, you know, sitting there at 12 doesn't mean we can't move up. And then obviously we got the 20th pick as well. But the great news, you know, from from last night, as you said, there were multiple players who really did well. And that really made us feel good that we're going to be able to get, you know, some really good players with that with those two first round picks.
22:40Rich Eisen:So speaking of free agency, you made news today, a franchise tag for George Pickens. Can you walk me through that process and what you see happening now?
22:50Jeremiyah Love:Yeah, I think, you know, the difficult thing, which everybody sees, you know, is when we're already paying one of the best receivers, if not the best, in C.D. Lamb at the very top of the market. And then obviously with the performance George had last year, you can imagine what his expectation is. So that's a challenge. We readily admit that. And at the same time, we also know and found out what two really premier receivers can do for an offense. And especially if you put them with a quarterback like Dak Prescott, we really had an explosive offense that we feel like if we can get the defense right on the other side of the ball, that we can compete for a championship.
23:33Jeremiyah Love:And certainly watching this year's Super Bowl, I don't think a lot of people when the season started had the two people that were in it as guys who were going to be participants. But hats off to them. They did a great job. But we feel like we're very capable of fixing this defense. And then the way George went out and complimented CD, the way Dak used him, and we've already made a move to go ahead and solidify Javante Williams being back, who was a big part of that offense running the football. Coach Schottenheimer and his offensive staff were committed to running the ball. And then we've got a really good tight end room and a lot of resources and a nice offensive line.
24:11Jeremiyah Love:So feel good about that side of the ball. As you said, we've got to get with it now on the defensive side. We've got a great staff. Now we've got to put the players with the group of players, which we do feel like we've got some nice players on the defensive side of the ball. We've got to get some more to go with them.
24:26Rich Eisen:Is this the beginning, though, with you talking about George? Or it's a franchise tag? Absolutely.
24:32Jeremiyah Love:I mean, we're not putting any time frame on this. I mean, the most important thing is live in the present. We think we just love that George is going to be back. Jerry had a great visit with him yesterday. He was fired up that he wasn't going to be going anywhere. And we all understand, too, you know, economically, guys probably would prefer a long-term deal. But the franchise tag, you know, economically is not bad either. But he was very fired up about his future with us. We felt like he wanted to be in Dallas. He certainly said that to Jerry yesterday. Jerry just said he was on cloud nine that he was going to be a cowboy again.
25:12Rich Eisen:All right. Steven Jones here on the Rich Eisen Show. Let's talk about the competition committee. Is the tush push still on your radar screen, or you don't think there's going to be anything forwarded from the committee for membership to vote on this year?
25:28Jeremiyah Love:Yeah, all things are on the radar, if you will. And we're always monitoring, you know, the different type of plays. I will say those scrum plays always stay, you know, in the front of our mind in terms of, are we sure this is a safe play, first and foremost? Do you like it? As a football play. Do I like it? My opinion on it, I think I've been vocal about it. I'm not a big fan of the scrums and the pushing and, you know, not just the tush push, but, you know, down the field when the runner's getting close to stopping forward progress, if not stopped, and then you have the guys coming into the pile and pushing.
26:03Jeremiyah Love:It's not my favorite look in terms of when we look at plays. Those are all things we'll continue to look at, but I don't think you'll see any type of vote at this point, what I'm seeing, on the tush push. I think they spoke last year. We'll continue to monitor it and make sure it's, one, first and foremost, a safe play and then keep getting the feeling from people around the league as to what we want these, if you will, rugby-type plays, the scrums, to look like.
26:32Rich Eisen:What do you think there will be a vote on coming out of the conference?
26:35Jeremiyah Love:I don't think we're going to see a lot of playing rule votes. Obviously, we had to play. No, there were very few rules submitted. I think the focus is going to be around replay assist. We always wanted, as Rich McKay would say so well, we wanted to crawl before we walked. We want to walk before we jog and jog before you sprint. And, you know, that's what we're doing. I do see that we do think that we'll add some plays, you know, that will fall under the replay assist rule, if you will. Which ones? Which ones do you think? You know, I think we're going to continue to make that list. I mean, there are interesting thoughts on that.
27:14Jeremiyah Love:But obviously we want to continue to improve the intentional groundings, a big one, what all facets fit under intentional grounding. But we're going to go through a thorough list. We're still gathering that list. when we get to Florida. So that'll be important. And then, you know, the obvious one that the Rams submitted is the one in their game with Seattle. And I think the running back picked the ball up after a backwards pass had been deflected. And we're certainly going to review that and see what the best type of rule is to have that, you know, that fits and is the right rule. And the unintended consequences don't, you know, don't bite us somewhere.
27:51Jeremiyah Love:But that's really the only playing rule
27:54Rich Eisen:that we've really gone over up to this point. A couple of follow-ups there. Let's just talk about you're referring to the Week 16 Thursday night classic. What a game that was where Seattle got a two-point conversion awarded after it seemed to be an incomplete pass, and then replay assist chimes in and says that was a backwards pass. And we were wondering, you know, why did replay assist take so long? Have you guys gone through who made the call and how they decided it?
28:25Jeremiyah Love:Very thoroughly. And I think one thing that is important, and I think you would hear this from Rich or Troy or anybody, is sometimes the replay assist group, it takes a while to get the quote-unquote kill shot, the shot that really shows here's exactly what happened. Right. And there's people in the room who feel like, well, maybe that should be limited to a 40-second time frame, a 60 second, but at the same time we want to get it right. So in that particular case, because you've just finished a two-point conversion, you go to a commercial break, and during that time they get better views of what actually happened on the play.
29:01Jeremiyah Love:We want to be able to utilize those particular views to get it right.
29:06Rich Eisen:And what about putting a flag down via replay assist? Are you in favor of something like that?
29:12Jeremiyah Love:I'm actually not in terms of putting a flag down. I'm just very concerned about on what. And then that grows. That list can grow in a hurry. And then you start to worry about pace of game. And I think we've got some of the best officials in all of sports. I think they do an incredible job. They're obviously under scrutiny because of the number of cameras that are in the stadium these days. I think we're at a minimum of 30 for every game. And the playoffs, I think it climbs to 60. and I think the Super Bowl, it's over 100. So obviously they're under scrutiny, but I think they do an amazing job, and I do think we have to be concerned about pace of play once you get into putting a flag down on a play.
29:58Jeremiyah Love:So, you know, where I am right now, it's certainly not everybody. I would be very concerned to put a flag down.
30:05Rich Eisen:Well, so when you're saying replay assist would help with intentional grounding, it would be a flag's been thrown. Let's take a look and see, was he, in fact, out of the tackle box? Out of the tackle box, which can be subjective at times. So that's, what about... Without replay. But what about putting a flag down on the person who instigates, instead of just popping the retaliator, that we've seen for decades in officiating that, we didn't see the guy who started it, we always flagged the guy who finished it. What about that?
30:37Jeremiyah Love:Great point, Rich. Great point. very much a topic of discussion in the last few days where we're looking at that. And one of the issues that we struggle with right now, without a flag down, then you can't fix that.
30:51Rich Eisen:So that's why maybe the one time where there could be a flag.
30:55Jeremiyah Love:And somebody will have that. And then somebody will have. How about the obvious face mask? And then that list grows. And then your concerns get pace of play and things of that nature. but you're hitting on some topics that are very much in the forefront. And as you said, a lot of times you just catch the retaliator and not the guy who initiated the personal foul.
31:18Rich Eisen:And what about instituting a one offensive play rather than an onside kick? Is that still in the heat for?
31:26Jeremiyah Love:That's something we discuss every year, and it just really, up to this point, not unlike no one's voted the tush push out, We just hadn't had a lot of traction for getting away from the actual traditional kickoff, the onside kick, if you will, and moving to something, the one play, you know, whether it's fourth and 18, fourth and 23, fourth and 28, moving to that particular situation.
31:52Rich Eisen:Yeah, I guess it'll be tough to do something like that because what if there's a defensive penalty? Suddenly somebody has... It's pass interference. Right, and then all of a sudden no onside kick, or an illegal contact away from the play. Somebody just has one false move defensively, and then that means possession.
32:12Jeremiyah Love:We call those the unintended consequences. And those are the things that I think it's never really been instituted in terms of an option for the onside kick. Now, I will say we would like for the onside kick percentage recovery rate to go up some, but not a lot. Do you have a number? At the same time, yeah, I think you'd like it to go back to the traditional numbers, which I think were, you know, more closer to the 8%, 8.5%, 9%. Yeah. You know, we're sub-5, really well below sub-5. At the same time, you know, you want the team who really, you know, took control of the game. And, you know, but at the same time, there's nothing like the score, recover the onside kick score in terms of an exciting football game.
33:01Jeremiyah Love:We've all seen a lot of games won that way. And that's exciting. And you do want some degree of opportunity for that to happen.
33:07Rich Eisen:I appreciate you coming on, Stephen Jones. You've always been a friend of this program and anything that I've been up to from jump with NFL Network to the current day of NFL Network and Disney being partners coming up. So thank you. Really appreciate it.
33:21Jeremiyah Love:It's always an honor to get to be on with you, Rich. And we're fired up about our partnership with Disney and just look forward to some amazing content in the future. I appreciate you saying that.
33:35Rich Eisen:Say hi to Jerry Formy. Enjoy taking the bus around town. I know whenever you guys are in town at a combine, the bus is out there. There's a crew. Absolutely. Great being on. Thank you. That's Stephen Jones right here. Jeremiah Love is joining us next live in Indianapolis. you're listening and watching to the rich eisen show
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35:31Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. Jeremiah Love here on the Rich Eisen Show talking about Doug Walker winners. So you met Marshall Falk.
35:40Daniel Jeremiah:Yes, sir. He's a great guy.
35:42Rich Eisen:He's a great guy. He is indeed.
35:44Daniel Jeremiah:Down to earth, calm, collected. Great guy. He is. Probably was different on the field, but yeah, I got to meet him. How are you on the field? Completely different than I am now. I kind of like got a little flip or a little switch that I turn, kind of get a little bit crazy. What do you mean? What do you mean? You talk best? Do you talk mess? I talk a lot of crap. I like to hit. I like to get in your face and talk a little bit, especially if it's USC. Okay. Yeah, flip a switch, turn into a different person. Okay. No kidding. Got to have a little bit of craziness. Just a little bit. Why do you say that?
36:22Daniel Jeremiah:Because who wants to be hit and hit people for a living, you know? Got to be a little crazy or a little messed up in the head to want to do that for a living or want to do that for fun.
36:35Rich Eisen:So what's your favorite thing to do on a football field? On a football field? Yes.
36:41Daniel Jeremiah:Jump over people. Okay. It's the most satisfying thing ever to completely clear somebody, like you're jumping over a hurdle on track. It's very, very satisfying. What will a team get if they draft Jeremiah Love? Everything. I say this every time I'm going to ask this question. and I'm willing to do anything and everything for whatever organization I'm blessed to go to to have success. I'm coming in, working, anything you need me to do, special teams, receiving, running a ball, blocking a ball, anything you need me to do, put my body on the line, I'm going to do it and do it to the best of my ability.
37:16Daniel Jeremiah:I will say this, okay?
37:19Rich Eisen:I've been around the league a while. I don't think there's any chance you're playing special teams with the Nationals. I would love to play special teams. Like, what in special teams would you like to play? I want to play Gunner. Gunner on punt. I'm trying to go down and smack somebody. You are crazy. Yeah, you got to be crazy a little bit. Let me tell you something, Jeremiah Love. You're not playing Gunner in the national football. That is not happening. Who knows? Who knows? Okay. Listen, I don't want to. I can say these things. You are taking the 100 % smart approach of, like, I'll do whatever I can.
37:51Rich Eisen:Whatever you ask of me, I'm there. There is no I in Love, even though there is one in Jeremiah. But, yes, there is no I, right? You're a team player. That's part of your many superpowers. Gunner is not happening. That is 100 % not happening for you. That's a little sad. No, don't be sad about it. So which teams have you met with here?
38:12Daniel Jeremiah:I've had 10 Formals. Who are the 10? New York Giants, Kansas City Chiefs, Saints, Cardinals, Titans, Dolphins. Browns? No, not the Browns. Cowboys Forgetting Jets? A couple. Steelers Rams Jets I think that's more than 10 What was the last one? I think that's it I'm probably forgetting one But a lot of faces A lot of names, a lot of teams A lot of talking Good vibes What are they asking you? they want to know about me as a person. We talked film as well. Just went through some stuff, went through some blocking stuff, how I see protections, things like that. But for the most part, all the teams just wanted to get to know me more as a person, really.
39:09Daniel Jeremiah:And do you read mock drafts or you don't? I see them, but I try not to pay attention to them. I see a lot of people saying I'm getting drafted to the Chiefs, Saints, I saw the Giants, saw the Commanders, saw the Cowboys not too long ago. I mean, I'd be blessed to go anywhere. Yeah, but I try not to pay attention to that stuff.
39:30Rich Eisen:Yeah, the Chiefs are where, you know, I'm seeing you a lot. Yeah. And obviously, you know, playing football with Patrick Mahomes would be something I'd imagine. You're from St. Louis, right? You're from Missouri.
39:43Daniel Jeremiah:Yes, sir.
39:44Rich Eisen:I'd be close to home. Yeah, you would be close to home. That's something you'd be up for, I imagine.
39:49Daniel Jeremiah:Yes. Yes, I would be, especially playing with Patrick Mahomes. Right. I feel like he's, I mean, the best quarterback as of right now that's in the league. I feel like he's top one. So it'd be an honor to play with him. And so at the end of the day for you, where you get drafted is obviously a spot that, you know,
40:15Rich Eisen:you ever dream of one particular spot growing up?
40:18Daniel Jeremiah:Not really. Um, growing up, I never really paid attention to football or really knew much about it. I played it, but never really dived any deeper than that. As of late, I mean, I do my research on just people that came through the game and the legends that have just passed through Notre Dame and got to play in the NFL. But like, there's really not a singular team that like, I want to play for them. Because just growing up, I just never really developed that type of inclination to play with anybody.
40:52Rich Eisen:What would have happened if Notre Dame made the college football playoffs? We would have been in Miami's shoes, but probably would have been a better outcome.
41:02Daniel Jeremiah:Probably would have been a better outcome. Better outcome for who? For both teams. Okay. Better outcome for both teams would have been a very good game. I think Miami did an incredible job throughout the playoffs. They earned their right to be there, and Carson Beck led that offense all the way to the final game, and they played a great game.
41:30Daniel Jeremiah:We went toe-to-toe. They beat us first game of the season, so I say they earned the right to be there.
41:35Rich Eisen:Okay. And what's your goal in the National Football League? You want your career to be what, Jeremiah Love?
41:41Daniel Jeremiah:By the time I'm done playing football, I want to be a Hall of Famer. I want to be recognized as one of the best players that ever come through the game of football. I want to be recognized as the best running back of all time. That's a huge statement to make. But I'm going to develop some set goals every single season to make sure that I'm on course for my goal. And then also I've got to do some PR stuff too. So I've got to build a good image of myself in the NFL world, a likable image. So everything's going to go hand-in-hand, but my ultimate goal is to be the greatest of all time and to be a Hall of Famer.
42:17Daniel Jeremiah:Well, I wish you the best of luck. My time with you is up.
42:20Rich Eisen:Thank you. I've enjoyed it.
42:22Daniel Jeremiah:I've enjoyed it too. It's been fun.
42:23Rich Eisen:I don't know if you know, I went to the University of Michigan.
42:25Daniel Jeremiah:Really? Yeah. I actually was very, very close to going to Michigan. I was very, very close. What happened? I mean, I was committed to Notre Dame, and it came to signing day, and I was literally this close to going to Michigan. But I was like, I'm committed to Notre Dame. I'm just going to stick with them. Even though I kind of want to go to Michigan, I kind of want to go there. I mean, I'm just going to stick it out with Notre Dame. I'm going to stick with my first choice. Was Harbaugh the coach still then? He was, yeah. He was still the coach. Did you have to call him up and say sorry, Jim? I didn't speak to nobody.
43:00Daniel Jeremiah:I didn't talk to nobody. But my homeboy, Frederick Moore, he went to Michigan. And I was kind of like, don't go with him. and I remember it very vividly. I'm telling him, like, bro, I'm trying to go to Michigan. I'm trying to connect with y 'all coaches but nobody's hitting me up. Like, I ain't got no connection with nobody. So that's probably why I didn't go. Nobody contacted me.
43:20Rich Eisen:I didn't know you.
43:23Daniel Jeremiah:Now we can fix this problem. Well, it's all over. Yeah, it's all over now, but there was a time where I wanted to go to Michigan.
43:31Rich Eisen:I'm freaking out right now. I'm absolutely freaking out. Jeremiah Love, thanks for coming on, man. Great to see you. That's Jeremiah Love right here on the Rich Eisen Show, everybody. I think they're waiting for you over there. I'm good. I'm good. There he goes. Wheel route out the gate. There goes Jeremiah Love. Ladies and gentlemen, there he goes. Uh-oh. He's picking up this. By the way, you want to talk about he's picking up his trash. He's picking up his trash. He's talking about next level being the PR guy. Fantastic. There he goes. Thank you, Jeremiah Love. There he goes. Are you all right?
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45:04Rich Eisen:Like, I think we all passed out because the air collectively just left the room for everyone because Rich was like, wow. Wow, you have, you've racked it back? Oh, yes. Come on. Come on.
45:20Rich Eisen:Zoinks. What? Pardon me. Excuse me? It's like the Miles Garrett Humming Zeros. You all right? No, I'm not all right. Well, we won a national championship anyway. So what's – Sure. And we had Corum, Corum, you know. That's when you – Belacca is one of your sons. Sure. So – Yeah. I mean, we had good guys. Yeah, cool, cool, cool. Yeah, but we could have had him this year. We could have had that guy. Yeah, that's true. You know, with Bryce Underwood and sending him to the next level. Yeah, that would have been – I mean, Cowboys have reached out to him. A couple times, TJ. How many times I told you?
45:54Rich Eisen:A couple times, huh? Look, I was over there. Me and Steven became best friends. Oh, you and your boy Steve? Me and my boy Steve. Did you see that? No, I was talking to Jeremiah Love. Oh, man. I'm saying. Careful. Don't cover that up. What is that? Just know there's a bam. Yeah, don't worry about it. I'll be sidelined. Good. That's gracious. Is that his business card? It's someone's. It's someone's. Is that Jerry's business card? Listen, you know, I don't like to give up. By the way, if there's anybody who still has a business card, it's probably one of the Joneses. That's true. But I guess what?
46:25Rich Eisen:I've been invited to come down to a game. Good for you. To get Jeremiah Love, you're going to have to trade up to seven. And let me tell you who's not trading with the Cowboys. Commanders. The Washington football team? No, you get above the Commanders. You go to the Browns. Why would the Browns want him? I mean, everybody would want him. I have a couple good backs already. Dude. With all due respect to their running back room. Sean Jenkins is pretty nice, man. With all due respect to their running back room. Jeremiah Love is a little bit of a different. Yeah, I know. But there's a Sonic and there's a Knuckles and there's everything else.
46:59Rich Eisen:Okay. If there's difference making players, it's the end of the story, right? End of story. What are we talking about here? Don't make it too difficult. I'm still can't believe what it is. You guys, if you don't really understand, this is really going to bother this man for a long time. It's okay. But you're just like, what? Zoinks. Okay, Reggie. Meena Kimes is joining us next and then Carson back and then I gotta go and Siciliano will finish up the show and you guys run off to the airport that's right, we're gonna watch you on the plane I'm gonna suit and boot and go do day two, do what you do we've got Meena Kimes of ESPN joining in a matter of moments and then Carson back don't go anywhere, radio audience The Ridge Eisen Show Podcast
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Live from Indianapolis where NFL Network Analyst Daniel Jeremiah and
Rich break down day one of the NFL Scouting Combine and if one of the defensive standouts (Sonny Styles? Arvell Reese? David Bailey?) could go #2 to the New York Jets in the draft, if the arm length concerns about edge rushers Rueben Bain Jr and Cashius Howell are legit or not, which player could be the 2nd QB to come off the board, how high Notre Dame RB Jeremiyah Love could be drafted, and why a Maxx Crosby trade to the Bears makes sense for Chicago.
Cowboys COO Stephen Jones and Rich discuss Dallas’ NFL Draft strategy
and beefing up their deplorable defense, reveals WR George Pickens was “fired up” about getting the Franchise Tag from the team, reveals what possible rule changes could be coming to the NFL next season.
Notre Dame RB Jeremiyah Love tells Rich why you have to be a little bit
crazy to play running back, where he could land in the NFL Draft, and the
Fighting Irish’s College Football Playoff snub, and more.
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