Hour 2: NFL QB Carousel Latest, plus Men in Blazers Co-Host Roger Bennett Talks World Cup

16:26Roger Bennett:It's his style, but it's not like he doesn't have a coach there who doesn't know him inside and out. So maybe that's part of it.

16:33Rich Eisen:Well, it's something that they – listen, if they want him, they're going to have to put a contract in front of him in the next 72 to 90 hours if they want him to make a decision before the new league year. I mean, yeah. Or they're going to go into the new league year with Mason Rudolph as their guy and Will Howard as their guy and Rodgers comes around great. And if he doesn't, then Ty Simpson's going to be on their radar screen, I would think. But at some point, they're going to have to put a contract in front of him. It did sound like on Pat's show he would be willing to receive one from the Pittsburgh Steelers.

17:11Rich Eisen:Door's not open. He referred to himself as a free agent. I mean, I don't think he's going to go somewhere else. But what do I know? I shouldn't speak for him. I know that's always a touchy subject. Yeah, he'll get on you about it. No, listen, the Jets are in the market. He's got no interest there. No. As well, he shouldn't. You know, I don't know if Miami is that ring-chasing spot. I don't know if Atlanta is that ring-chasing spot.

17:43Rich Eisen:I don't know. You know, Matt Ryan's up there and Stefanski's there. I know they love Penix, but if Rodgers wants to go there and let Penix come back from his knee injury and just chillax, and in his rehab and we can also throw the thing you hate in there the the vikings thing which you i hate it because i just think jj mccarthy showed enough to be given the grace uh that is normally afforded other young quarterbacks in their first foray at starting of having an up and down campaign it's just they let sam don i can't believe i'm saying this they let sam Darnold walk or they caused Sam Darnold to walk because they were sticking with the kid that they traded up one spot to draft in the draft with a four I'm not including paddocks four quarterbacks that have proven to be quickly franchise quarterback worthy monikers and statuses in the league but there's no grace being afforded to him that said i'm not in the building i'm biased because the kid won a national championship for me and i think as a heart of a lion uh he's being memed everywhere uh the number of memes i get you know because yeah no that thing you know with his eye black on and he looks mean and you know that was the nine character that he he referred to himself Oh, yeah.

19:16Rich Eisen:I'm seeing all sorts of memes that do not reflect well on what people feel about his abilities, that he's just a guy or something like that. But again, I'm not in the building. And if they feel that he does need to have some sort of competition, then they need to bring somebody in. But if they bring in Aaron Rodgers, there's no competition.

19:38Roger Bennett:Right, yeah.

19:39Rich Eisen:I mean, that's it.

19:40Roger Bennett:So what's your spidey sense tell you? About what? Do you think he goes right back to the Steelers?

19:44Rich Eisen:Yes, I do. If he wants to play. But if the Steelers aren't putting a contract in front of him and want him to give a decision between now and the new league year, which is essentially next Monday is when this stuff is going to start flying. They should put a contract in front of him, which might have been his message appearing on Pat's show. Because he doesn't have to do it. I know he's friends with Pat, and Pat asks, and he might be so inclined.

20:14Roger Bennett:but there's always a reason. Why do I think he was like sitting in a chair looking at the ocean somewhere? Where do I envision him?

20:21Rich Eisen:He did say, by the way, he did say on Pat's show he's not living there anymore.

20:25Roger Bennett:Really?

20:25Rich Eisen:Yeah. He's not living there. He said the paparazzi got insane.

20:30Roger Bennett:There are a lot of ocean places to sit, Rich. I'm just trying to set the table. I'm envisioning him, TJ.

20:36Rich Eisen:Chilling.

20:36Roger Bennett:Floor to ceiling window, looking outside. Yes. Well appointed. Yeah. Yes. Sipping on some herbal tea. Some shearling.

20:45Rich Eisen:I like it. And a nice warm blanket. Sounds like I'd like to do that right now. But Roger Bennett's about to join us. We Are the World Cup is his book. We're going to talk a little bit of football with Roger Bennett, the man in a blazer, joining us next. If you're ready for an oil change, trust the professional parts people at O 'Reilly Auto Parts to recommend the best products for your vehicle. Right now, get five quarts of Valvoline full synthetic motor oil and a Wix filter for$35.99 and receive a$15 O 'Reilly gift card after rebate. Upgrade to a Wix XP oil filter for just$2 more. Limits apply.

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23:17Rich Eisen:The wonderfully naturalized Roger Bennett. Good to see you, Roger. How are you, sir?

23:22Roger Bennett:Rich eyes, and it's so lovely to see you. Hello, America.

23:25Rich Eisen:Are you popping a collar on me right now, Roger?

23:28Roger Bennett:Is that what's going on? You know what I mean? I think when you become a naturalized American citizen, they do make you look like James Spader in a 1980s movie.

23:42Rich Eisen:You're more than zero, Roger. How about that? Some days I don't know. Some days I don't know, but it's great to see you.

23:49Roger Bennett:You look very handsome, Rich.

23:50Rich Eisen:Right back at you, Roger. Right back at you. Are you wearing a Bears shirt or sweater? What do you got? There you go.

23:56Roger Bennett:I am, I am, I am. I'm in Chicago. Okay. The greatest city in the world. I'm delighted to be in the city that the World Cup kicked off in 1994. Okay. And it's coming back, Rich, in 98 days. But who's counting?

24:10Rich Eisen:Who is counting? Where is it coming back? Which is the first city in our country to?

24:16Roger Bennett:It'll be Los Angeles. your own sweet, fair and incredible city, which probably will win the World Cup. I don't know who will win the World Cup, but I think Los Angeles will. The biggest games in the opening stages are going to be there. And God, I mean, it feels like a lot is going to happen between now and then, Rich Eyes and a lot of life, but please God, it will be magnificent.

24:42Rich Eisen:I know. I hear you. We Are the World Cup is the book, And we have the future winner of the FIFA Peace Prize, Roger Bennett, here on The Rich Eisen Show. All right. Let's get to it, sir. Why did you write this book? Why did you get to it for?

24:58Roger Bennett:I moved here in 1994. And the World Cup was coming right before the tournament. There was a poll done of American fans. And they announced that soccer was the 67th most important sport in the United States. tractor pulling rich eyes and I crap you not was number 66 and there's just been a steady that World Cup was still to this day the best attended World Cup of all time Americans love a circus they love an excuse to daytime drink they did feel I think the electric sense of connectivity that this tournament you know 200 million people give or take watch the Super Bowl five billion people watch the World Cup there is a sense this is the last global billboard visible from out of space.

25:44Roger Bennett:And every single World Cup since, the joy of my life, the story of my life is watching America become a proper football nation, falling in love with this sport, the Premier League, our women kicking ass, taking names, driving up the popularity also. And 2026, I wanted to write a book that allowed viewers who lived that journey to relive their electric memories because it is such a special tournament for a variety of reasons we can talk about. and those that haven't to feel like they did and know they're messy from their Maradona and be tournament ready by the time this thing kicks off. Sure. What's your first World Cup memory, Roger?

26:23Roger Bennett:I was in England because, you know, I love America more than Kenny Powers, but viewers, I am actually from England. Seven years of age, Argentina, 1978, and I watched English football. There was no live football in those days. We didn't know anything. Football was played by balding men. on muddy pitches. They just lived to kick the crap out of each other, then go and have a cigarette and a pint at halftime in a locker room while the fans tried to make each other bleed. That's what football was. I was very proud of our local team. And then we saw Argentina, the first game I'd ever seen, huge stadia, sun.

27:00Roger Bennett:It took me a while to realise what that big kind of orb in the sky was. I was like, what is that colourful thing? Why does it look so uncold there? And then the teams came on, Rich, and the stadium exploded in a burst of confetti from the bleachers. Thousands of toilet rolls cascaded down. And I turned to my dad and I said, oh, my God, this thing, football, which is just a pleasure that hurts. That's the phrase that we all talk about in England. It can be joyful. And I was hooked from that very moment.

27:28Rich Eisen:No kidding. So I'm just reading this book with the essays and throughout World Cup to World Cup you go. So I guess, which is your, which, which do you think was the greatest world cup? You know, and the reason why I asked that is we just had, you know, obviously here in America, arguably one of the greatest world series that we saw this past year, the last couple of Superbowls, not so much, but in recent years, there were Superbowls that you could peg, like that's the best one, which tournament wise do you think was a standout?

28:04Roger Bennett:well you're asking me right after the 2022 world cup final in which Lionel Messi that tiny little joyful Ewok went head to head with Kylian Mbappe I mean it was like football ripped from from Plato's cave it was I don't like to be hyperbolic Rich you know that but it was like watching Homer write the odyssey in real life time with millions of people watching along around the planet Pretty bloody good cliffhanger to end on, watching that tiny little man who looks like he's just strolled out of your local supercuts. There he is. Just become, in a second, become immortal after failing four times, leaving crying like Prince.

28:47Roger Bennett:This is what it sounds like when doves cry. Finally winning to cement his status as the greatest ever and becoming, in that second, immortal. By the way, not just as an athlete. You know, it was a joy last night. I was on stage in Houston celebrating the World Cup, coming there with Hakeem Olajuwon, who I was shaking to be on the same stage as, and the magical JJ Watt. Those are demigod athletes. But Lionel Messi in that moment became part of his nation's history, bona fide in their Argentinian human civilization. So that was a pretty great ending. But for me, the joy of the World Cup, Rich, is that when two teams take the field, Their nation's histories, politics, cultures take the field alongside them.

29:32Roger Bennett:That's what gives this tournament the depth that I think no other has. Walt Whitman would say it contains multitudes. So honestly, every single game, every single moment, and with the world in the chaos that it is right now, that sense of electric global connectivity, positive connectivity that this thing offers, there's no bad World Cup. there's really only positive memories that are being made and i wish oh my lord the same for

30:00Rich Eisen:this one that's fast coming towards us and then just uh i guess some sides um to to to focus on you know england three lions right um all three all three uh it just seems to always come down to some sort of a penalty kick in some way shape or form where you can't just you can't just sit in a rocking chair and go, okay, we're going to win in regulation. We've got this thing. We've got a two-goal lead. We're good. It just doesn't seem to ever be the case. I know.

30:32Roger Bennett:I know. I mean, why would you want to win something when instead you can self-illimate, emulate you down below with the nation watching? Look, it's the English lot. Does Charlie Brown ever kick the football with Lucy Holding? Never. No. And that's what England are. They are a very good football team now. But there is that sense of history. It's incredible. You know, the shirt made of polyester weighs like chain mail when these English footballers put it on. John Oliver came on our show a couple of weeks ago and he laughed and said, you know, with Lucy and Charlie, what if Lucy never wants to hold the football, but Charlie likes the pain of the joke?

31:13Roger Bennett:And it's Charlie commanding Lucy, do that thing you do where I run and kick it and you pull it away. He said, that's what England is. The English almost willingly throw themselves off the cliff like footballing lemmings. And it is magic. By the way, if they do win on United States turf in our 250th anniversary, oh my Lord, that wouldn't just be revenge as a dish served cold. It would be revenge as a deeply belated dish served by fans by fans who will never let us forget it, by firing rockets out of orifices that we didn't even know you could fire a rocket out of, Rich.

31:54Rich Eisen:That said, what are the American prospects? What do you have?

31:58Roger Bennett:Oh, Rich, I dream, I yearn. Yeah, well, women win things on men. I mean, this is almost shocking to me. America, you know, put a man on the moon, but we've won one knockout game in our entire human history. It's almost shocking when you think about that. There's tiny teams that go into tournaments. Iceland, 220 ,000 people have gone deep into major tournaments. Morocco at the last World Cup, a delirious fairy tale for all of Africa. So what I can say is this is the most talented group of individuals we've ever been able to call upon, the most accomplished. And whether we can pull it together as a collective with the nation watching and the nation expectant.

32:45Roger Bennett:So much ride. It's so crazy for this American team. Let's say England don't get out of a group stage. The sport's popularity, it's not a litmus test of, it's not a referendum of. These players all know. 1998, when we lost to Iran with the nation watching, which I write about in the book, every American fan was watching because they wanted to see America open up a can of whoop-ass on Iran, how things change, how things don't change. And Iran beat us 2-1 with the nation watching. And it set the sport back 20 years. So I'll just say the stakes are incredibly high. We love a dream team in the United States.

33:22Roger Bennett:This men's team have been a dream-on team for too long. They're beautiful human beings, so many of them. Chris Richards, a kid from Birmingham, Alabama, who's beating up attackers in the Premier League. Western McKinney, just a fearsome bowling ball from Texas, who's having the season of his life in Italy. obviously christian pulisic who some of your uh viewers will know and i just pray for them as individuals they've sacrificed so much they've worked so hard uh that their dreams come true

33:52Rich Eisen:and it's just there's always something epic there really is and you know um susan i we were we were driving in italy for some reason we were on vacation i don't know why but um listening to the radio the day after Zidane got sent off and they you know this moment right here and the italian i don't susie you speak italian i don't but i can make fun of i can pick up on it yeah they were playing french sports talk radio hosts screaming pourquoi why why would he do this And they were giggling, laughing at the French, hysterically. Even in two different languages that were not my own, I could pick up on the sports talk trolling that was going on.

34:43Roger Bennett:I mean, that man set back bald rights around the world for all of us, Rich. I never thought of that. I never thought of that. By the way, the Zidane story, humanly, again, Greek epic poem, 1998. France, I write in the book, constantly in the 80s, very good, always lost harrowingly. And the French loved it. That's who they were. We love to lose with valiance, noble honour. And they saw themselves as a little France, petty France, petty France. And then Zidane came in, 1998, on home turf, led them to victory. And they roared this multi-ethnic team, a deeply diverse team. when Le Pen, the far-right leader, was trying to stir up a lot of hate against the whole issue of diversity.

35:31Roger Bennett:And Zidane became a legend. His face beamed against the Arc de Triomphe. Zidane for president, everybody chanted. And he transformed the way France saw itself. I mean, they became pretty unbearable for a spell. They became France qui gagné, France who can win and dominate. this football has the ability to change the way nations see themselves in these moments and then of course you know 2006 eight years later in that same final um when it was going to be his last game to cement his legend he did that irrational thing why why as suz translated for us he head-butted um you know a heel a hockey heel materazzi essentially um and that was his last ever moment on the field walking off past the world cup trophy you dreamed of winning um that that's human i mean that is that is that is scorsese would say that is cinema rich it was

36:26Rich Eisen:i'll i'll never forget that obviously and um roger uh right roger bennett you write uh about this uh these moments so eloquently in your book do you want to chime in on the bears at all before i let

36:38Roger Bennett:you go or you're sticking to football roger no i'll chime in on the bears and again um the power of football for me um is the global connectivity is the sense of cross-generational memory making my most powerful memories i wrote this book because the rise of football in the united states world cup to world cup is the story of my lifetime it's propelled everything uh that's been possible but it's also the storehouse of so i think 73 of my most profound memories of losing and winning and feeling alive that i share with my parents that i share with my kids my grandparents and And the Bears are the same, Rich.

37:15Roger Bennett:I mean, last season, when we got into the playoffs, I flew in my kids to watch in person, to commute in Soldier Field. And even when we lost against the Rams, it still felt a little bit like France in the 80s, a valiant loss. And the joy of it, I can't remember, other than the Super Bowl season. We've won with defence. We've had a lacquer era. We've had some incredible teams that just created pain and suffering for opponents. To see this Bears team play joyful football, to look forward to watching this Bears team again, that man is so beautiful. I adore him. He's a great American. I'm grateful for everything he did.

37:57Roger Bennett:And to march out of Soldier Field, even in defeat, and have thousands of Bears fans immediately chant, Green Bay sucks, just getting back to business, essentially, with what's really important. That's what life is all about, isn't it?

38:09Rich Eisen:Ready to take your kids to Indiana? Roger?

38:12Roger Bennett:If that's what it takes. We will hitchhike across the Skyway with the rest of the Chicagoans. It's never going to happen, is it, Rich? It's never going to happen.

38:22Rich Eisen:I don't know. It does smell of a negotiating tactic at present if you press me, but one does not know. You never know anymore. But at any rate, it's such a joy to see you on the screen. You're a beautiful human being.

38:38Roger Bennett:I'm so grateful for you. I made the Bears win another Super Bowl in my lifetime. I made the U.S. men just win one World Cup in our lifetime, Rich. We don't ask for much, do we?

38:48Rich Eisen:Well, if you make it out here to Los Angeles for the Cup, or if not, I would love to see you, Roger. Oh, Rich. Congrats on the book.

38:54Roger Bennett:Thank you, thank you, thank you. And thank you, America. Big, big love.

38:57Rich Eisen:Ladies and gentlemen, Roger Bennett, go by. We are the World Cup, wherever you get your books, right here on the Rich Eisen Show. There he goes. I love talking to him. Roger's awesome, man.

39:08Roger Bennett:Okay, can we just break this down really fast? Certainly. He mentions Plato's The Cave.

39:13Rich Eisen:He mentions the Iliad.

39:16Roger Bennett:Stadia, not stadiums, which I really appreciate. I mean, he went next level.

39:21Rich Eisen:He is next level. Him and Michael Davies, who, as you know, Michael, I've known him forever and a day. The man behind Jeopardy right now and Wheel of Fortune, where I dominate whenever given the chance. I mean, you really did. Very much so. Yeah, yeah. I stood tall.

39:39Roger Bennett:How's that ping pong table? Is it in the box?

39:42Rich Eisen:Next up.

39:43Roger Bennett:Just saying.

39:44Rich Eisen:You want to throw a break? Is that what you're saying? I mean, do we have to?

39:48Roger Bennett:We have to.

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41:36Rich Eisen:That's linkedin.com slash eisen. Terms and conditions apply. Let's go back to the phone lines here. Pablo in Austin, Texas. What's up, Pablo? Hey, Rich, how's it going? What's going on? I was curious as to why the Jets don't just stay pat But use their draft picks to fill the roster this year and next year and then sign Mac Jones and free agency. Or even trade next year as one of their next year's pick, a first-rounder to the Niners to get Mac Jones. Well, that would get Mac Jones. You trade the 49ers a first-rounder, it would get you Mac Jones. I just – that's a hefty price, man. That's a hefty price.

42:18and I understand Mac Jones in my estimation has the stuff to be the next Sam Darnold,

42:27Rich Eisen:you know, to now go somewhere and either in this next team or the team after find the right spot at the right time in his life and make the throws and be Sam Darnold and surround him with the right people at the right time with the right crew and the right coaching. He can do it. I don't know about that one. And you'd have to wait another year. Again, that's why, and thanks for the call, Pablo, that's why I think Kyler Murray's the right guy. Again, I don't know if he's the right fit long-term, but for$1.3 million to try one more year, and if it doesn't work, then your own draft choice of the three that you have next year winds up being top five again.

43:13Rich Eisen:I don't know if Aaron Glenn is going to be still around there. I don't know if Woody Johnson would countenance another top five pick season. Maybe he would, depending on the way it looks. But being first overall and having a shot at Arch would, I think, be another house clean scenario. Caleb in Boise, Idaho. Let's take your call. What's up, Caleb? Hey, Rich. How's it going? What's on your mind?

43:40Roger Bennett:Hey. Okay, so I have a pretty elegant solution to the onside kick fiasco that we've been talking about for years, and I want to get your opinion on it. Okay. So the idea of like a 4th and 15 play and how are they going to officiate it, throw that out the window. If you remember a couple of years ago back when the kickoff used to be from the 25, the entire stadium would cheer when the kicker would boot it through the uprights, but it doesn't count for any points, and it doesn't actually do anything. So my proposed solution to all of this is keep it a special team's play. You trot the kicker out to the 25 or the 20-yard line, and then the opposing team gets to send out one returner.

44:21If he makes it, the offense keeps possession.

44:24Roger Bennett:If he misses, well, you were screwed anyways, and the returner just scores on you for a touchdown because no kicker's making that tackle unless you're Pat McAfee.

44:31Rich Eisen:Problem solved. Caleb, you're saying an NFL game should come down to one guy from the 25-yard line trying to make a field goal that if they get, they keep possession to try and win a game. And if they don't, the other team gets basically a free shot of trying to one-on-one out-dodge the kicker? Is that what you're saying?

44:56Roger Bennett:Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because in the beginning of the season, where the kicks are easy to make, It's like, okay, how often are you really going for on-side kicks? But late in the season when there's snow, because I'm a diehard Packers fan, if you want to trot out the Chicago Bears in the playoffs in the snow and do basically a free kick from the 25-yard line, keeps it a special team's play, increases the odds over the course of the season,

45:24Rich Eisen:but the risk-reward is that if you miss, you're going to lose the game anyway. I love your passion, Caleb. So don't take this the wrong way. Do you need a hobby in Boise? Do you need something to do? No, I keep myself rather busy. Okay, good. Yeah, again, the NFL just doesn't like gimmicks. That's why there's no fourth and 15 play. And thanks for the call. Yeah. Thanks for the call, buddy. I just, you heard Sean Payton say it the other day when we were, it was one week ago yesterday, actually, when we spoke with him at the Combine. He's like, we can tweak the way the lineup, the way that players line up for an onside kick.

46:05Rich Eisen:We could tweak the way that players just line up to get to the right percentage that the league wants for onside kicks to work. So basically, the league comes up with, we want 9 % of onside kicks to be working, 91 % of them to fail. That's the sweet spot. we could just go 10 and 90 to make it a simpler math equation right man 10 of them one out of every 10 onside kicks work and then you reverse engineer it from there that's the way the league's going to eventually handle this business they're not going to come up with some other play or this moment that our friend Caleb and Boise just came up with It reminds me of that end of the naked gun montage where a jaguar or leopard comes out and just jumps on somebody who stole second base.

46:57Rich Eisen:Like, we're just going to bring animals into this, too? Like, what else are we going to do? Thanks for listening to the Rich Eisen Show podcast. You can watch and listen to the Rich Eisen Show live weekdays from noon to 3 Eastern on ESPN Radio, Disney Plus, and on the ESPN app. The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast.

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