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Episode Title
Hour 2: Overreaction Tuesday, plus NFL on FOX Analyst Mark Schlereth
Episode Description In this episode, Rich Eisen is joined by three-time Super Bowl champion and NFL on FOX analyst Mark Schlereth. They dive deep into the Seattle Seahawks' dominating performance in Super Bowl LX against the New England Patriots and engage in discussions about various NFL topics, including rookie quarterback Will Campbell and the future of the Seahawks.
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Key Topics Discussed
Seahawks vs. Patriots Analysis
- Super Bowl LX Recap:
- Mark Schlereth highlights the Seahawks' dominance in controlling the line of scrimmage, which led to their victory.
- Schlereth emphasizes that the physicality of the run game and effective blitzing by the Seattle defense were crucial.
- New England's Struggles:
- Discussion on rookie OT Will Campbell's performance under pressure, where he allowed 14 pressures.
- Schlereth critiques the coaching decisions made by the Patriots and suggests a lack of support for Campbell during the game.
Advice for Will Campbell
- Schlereth provides technical advice on improving Campbell's pass protection.
- Key points include:
- Importance of maintaining proper positioning (staying parallel to the line of scrimmage).
- Encouragement to take the initiative in pass protection rather than remaining passive.
Sustainability of the Seahawks
- Schlereth argues that the Seahawks have a strong, young core of defenders and a solid running game with Kenneth Walker.
- He believes that the Seahawks' style of play, particularly their strong defense, will allow them to maintain success in the tough NFC West.
Sam Darnold's Redemption
- Rich Eisen and Schlereth discuss Sam Darnold's performance throughout the season and his maturation as a quarterback.
- Schlereth praises Darnold’s ability to prioritize team success over personal glory, reflecting on the importance of selflessness in winning.
NFL Draft Discussions
- The conversation shifts to the 2018 NFL Draft QB class, debating the potential regrets of teams regarding their selections, particularly Will Campbell's status as the fourth overall pick.
Overreaction Tuesday Segment
- Overreactions include:
- Speculation that the Rams are regretting their missed opportunity to compete in the Super Bowl.
- Discussions on whether the Patriots should have selected other players instead of Campbell in last year's draft.
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Key Takeaways
- Controlling the Line of Scrimmage: Successful teams often dominate the line, leading to victories.
- Support for Young Players: Coaches must adapt strategies to support inexperienced players to prevent overwhelming them during high-stakes games.
- Team Success vs. Individual Performance: A quarterback’s maturity and understanding of their role can significantly impact the team’s success.
- Sustainability of Teams: Strong defenses can travel and maintain success over time, suggesting the Seahawks are well-positioned for future success.
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Notable Quotes
- “You control line of scrimmage, you're going to win probably 80, 85 percent of your games.” - Mark Schlereth
- “It's amazing what you can accomplish when nobody cares who gets the credit.” - Mark Schlereth
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Conclusion This episode of The Rich Eisen Show provided a thoughtful and insightful analysis of the recent Super Bowl, the performances of key players, and the implications for future NFL seasons. Mark Schlereth's expertise and candid discussions about player development and team dynamics offered valuable perspective on what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOSuper Bowl Reflections with Mark Schlereth
1:30 to 2:25
Rich Eisen and Mark Schlereth discuss insights and memorable moments from Super Bowl 60.
“The Seattle Seahawks, the best team in the National Football League.”
Analyzing Seahawks' Dominance in Super Bowl 60
2:25 to 6:20
Mark Schlereth breaks down the Seahawks' control over the line of scrimmage and their Super Bowl strategy.
“Ernest Jones and our number three of the Seahawks.”
Offensive Line Challenges and Solutions
6:20 to 10:40
Schlereth provides insights on the struggles of New England's offensive line and potential adjustments.
“And they're bringing pressure, and they're playing man-to-man coverage behind it.”
Kenneth Walker's Performance and Team Sustainability
10:40 to 13:20
Discussion on Kenneth Walker's performance and the sustainability of the Seahawks as a team.
“And I may not grade out well, but at least I'm not going to get my quarterback hit a bunch.”
Sam Darnold's Growth and Future Prospects
13:20 to 14:00
Mark Schlereth reflects on Sam Darnold's development and impact on the team's success.
“And then there's the question of Sam Donald, Mark.”
Sam Darnold's Journey and Team Success
14:00 to 18:00
Explore Sam Darnold's maturity and selflessness contributing to his team's success.
“first off, man, he is baptism through fire.”
Coaching Dynamics and Fear Factor
18:00 to 19:10
Discuss the balance of being relatable yet demanding as a successful coach.
“The Chiefs might be sitting there going, any of our last few years, right?”
Super Bowl 60 Reflections
19:10 to 20:15
Analyze which teams might regret missing out on Super Bowl 60 and why.
“So it's probably more than even the Broncos.”
Poll Question on Future Super Bowl Wins
20:15 to 20:50
Debate on which recent quarterbacks may win more Super Bowls in their careers.
“Okay, I'll go Sam Darnold then because he's just got a better football team around him.”
Jalen Hurts and Russell Wilson Comparison
20:50 to 23:10
Discuss the comparisons between Jalen Hurts and Russell Wilson regarding their careers.
“I think you left one thing off the list of what doesn't lie, Mark, and that's you.”
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Listener Calls on Overreaction Tuesday
24:50 to 28:01
Engage with listeners discussing various NFL topics and opinions.
“Folks have been hanging on forever, So let's go to, who are we going to take here?”
Super Bowl MVPs and Jalen Hurts' Performance
28:01 to 29:19
Discussion around Super Bowl MVPs and Jalen Hurts' performance in relation to other quarterbacks.
“But you look at the photograph of the Super Bowl MVPs that returned in San Francisco prior to Super Bowl 60 and look at him.”
Comparing Career Paths: Hurts vs. Wilson
29:20 to 32:05
Analysis of Jalen Hurts' and Russell Wilson's career trajectories and playoff performances.
“Or is he the perfect guy in Philadelphia because he just removes the oxygen from the room to the point where you're like, is there anybody in there?”
Poll Results on Super Bowl Wins
32:06 to 32:59
Discussion of poll results regarding which quarterback will win more Super Bowls, including Sam Darnold and Jalen Hurts.
“and if he doesn't do it from here on out, now in the same bucket as we're putting Russ right now.”
Caller Insights: Jets and Super Bowl History
33:00 to 36:44
Caller shares insights about the Jets' Super Bowl history and a memorable game from the past.
“Listen, just wanted to touch base two quick things.”
Sam Darnold's Unexpected Super Bowl Success
36:45 to 38:48
Discussion on Sam Darnold's Super Bowl wins compared to the teams he played for.
“Now, here's Joe Namath, the flamboyant Joe Namath, sitting in his Speedo, drinking his pina colada, telling the sports writers they're guaranteeing victory.”
Reflections on Boston Championships
42:01 to 42:20
The hosts discuss the emotional impact of various Boston championships.
“Before I think about it, of all the disappointing Boston championship, because there's been so many that they've played in the championship.”
Sam Darnold's Redemption Arc
42:20 to 43:22
The conversation revolves around Sam Darnold and his potential as a Super Bowl winner.
“Like I said on the pod yesterday, I think when we think about the 2025 season, we're going to remember the Sam Darnold redemption arc the most.”
The Rams' Super Bowl Miss
43:22 to 44:21
Discussion on the emotional aftermath for the Rams after missing the Super Bowl.
“The Rams, guys, got to be feeling the worst.”
The Draft and Team Performance
44:21 to 45:50
Analyzing the impact of draft choices on NFL team performances, especially the Patriots.
“and there wouldn't have been any more action that caused Bo Nix to break his ankle.”
John Schneider's Success
45:50 to 46:56
Evaluating John Schneider's achievements as Seahawks GM and comparisons to other GMs.
“I mean, you heard what Mark Schlereth said.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00We're leaving today and entering a world of Mickey Mouse waving, princess meeting and greeting,
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1:35Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show. They got Maeve flustered and, dare I say it, seen ghosts. Earlier on the show, legendary sports broadcaster Al Michaels. Coming up, three-time Super Bowl champion Mark Schlerett. Seahawks linebacker Ernest Jones. Actor and comedian Joel McHale. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Our number two of the Rich Eisen show is on the air. How great was that with Al Michaels? Amazing. Epic. The greatest. I know. That's epic. Tell me how great it is. Call me and tell me how great it is. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial. Phone lines are all lit. Hey, everybody who's on hold has been on hold for a while through our number one.
2:22Rich Eisen:Stay on hold. We're going to take your calls shortly. We have Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday, a Super Bowl version of it. Ernest Jones and our number three of the Seahawks. Joel McHale of the 12s will join us in studio just like Al Michaels just did. We say hello to our ESPN audience. We say hello to those on the ESPN app and Disney Plus, ESPN Radio, and Sirius XM Channel 80. And we bring in a man who's been with us all season long. Always some great insights from a three-time Super Bowl champ from Fox Sports, Mark Schlereth. Great to see you, Mark. How are you, sir? I am doing great, Rich. Always good to be with you, man.
2:53And Al Michaels is just a legend. I love Al Michaels. I didn't get to hear it, but I'm going to go back and try to listen.
3:00Rich Eisen:Oh, it was great. We went down Super Bowl memory lane and hardly even talked about Super Bowl 60. I guess it's because there's not much talk to talk about after what appeared to be a beat down in the making that actually materialized. But what are your thoughts on Super Bowl 60 to start off our Tuesday chat here, Mark? Yeah, you know, I think there's I think there's a couple of things that resonate with me when I watch that game. And obviously, you know, Seattle did a phenomenal job of controlling line of scrimmage. And, you know, that's one of the things that I always come away with. You know, we get so enamored in today's game about, you know, receivers and the passing game and this, that and the other.
3:37And you control line of scrimmage, you're going to win probably 80, 85 percent of your games. And that's what it came down to me. Like I said this on the Stink and Truth podcast, Rich. I said, like, there's three things that don't lie. like small children, physicality in the run game, and yoga pants. Those three things do not lie. And by the way, yoga pants are a privilege. They're not a right. That's just me letting you guys know. We applaud them. Those are things that do not lie. When you dominate a line of scrimmage, you're going to win. The Seattle Seahawks opened up a can of whoop-ass on the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, whether it was Kenneth Walker or whether it was that defense getting after Drake May, the entirety of that game.
4:25Rich Eisen:And the left side of the offensive line for New England was a concern for many. And I'm just wondering if there was a moment, because you know how the way coaches talk to each other, that watching film, Vrabel and Josh McDaniels, watching what Seattle's been doing over the last few weeks, certainly in the playoffs, how to look at each other and go, okay, this has got to be the plan of our lives here because we're in trouble. Do you think that sort of self-scout took place prior to Super Bowl 60, Mark? I'm sure. And that was one of the things that was frustrating watching the game because I think Josh McGannis is a phenomenal coach.
5:06But I say this all the time, man, put a guy in a position to lose. Don't be surprised when he loses because you're the dumbass that put him in that position. and Will Campbell couldn't hold up in that game. And so what was the adjustment? What were you doing? I mean, the Seahawks, give them credit. Mike McDonald did a great job of attacking their protections. And one of the things he did was there was a lot of blitz, Witherspoon coming off the right side of the line of scrimmage. What happens when you do that? Well, what happens is you put tight ends, you put a running back over there, you turn protection that way.
5:42And what does that leave in response? It leaves the left side of your offensive line where there's two rookies one on one. And they were in those positions so many times. Will Campbell gave up 14 pressures. And listen, man, like that's one of those things that you look at and you say, OK, what are you doing to support that? How come you only ran the ball 13 times when it was six nothing through the majority of the first half? How come you didn't counter some of the upfield pressure with a trap or something of that nature? You can always go back and second guess it, but I just didn't think they did a very good job offensively countering what the Seattle defense did, what Mike McDonald called.
6:26I think the other thing, and I always say this when I'm preparing for a game, Rich, and you've done a bunch of games as well, you kind of get a sense of what a team thinks of another team based upon the game plan they put together. And they're bringing pressure, and they're playing man-to-man coverage behind it. And it was the equivalent of Globo Gym, where they said, we're better than you, and we know it. And there was nothing the New England Patriots had. They had no answers for the Seattle Seahawks defense. They were tremendous. For me, a lot of fun to watch. I know a lot of people thought it was a boring Super Bowl.
7:01But for me, it was fun to watch them get after Drake Mandate and the New England offense.
7:07Rich Eisen:Well, that's why I'm wondering, were there any answers? I know you're like, you know, quick game, traps, this, that. I don't. Yeah. I just don't know if there were any answers. And that if you run this thing 100 times, you know, maybe one or two times, you get You get one of those throws that Darnold made deep in his own end towards the end of the first half. Maybe one of them gets tipped and picked. Maybe you have one of those moments. I don't know. It just seems like what were the answers to the test? Well, one of the things I would tell you is get into empty. Get both of your edges, you know, secured with tight ends.
7:45And make sure at least you stop those initial edges. At least you help a guy like Will Campbell right off the bat. I mean, at what point, if you're coaching on that staff, at what point did you think all of a sudden Will Campbell was going to figure it out? Was it midway through the third quarter? Like all of a sudden he was going to have an epiphany where he's like, oh, yeah, you know what? These things hanging out of my out of my shoulder pads. Those are arms and I'm going to have to start using them to block people. Like at what point did you think he was going to come up with an answer for himself?
8:14He wasn't. So you as a coaching staff are going to have to come up with that answer. And they just never, you know, I mean, it was as though offensively they were shell-shocked. And the answer was, hey, if our defense could get a pick six, maybe, like maybe, you know, or create a couple of turnovers, then maybe, maybe we have a chance to win this game. But clearly Seattle was the better team, and they'd been the best team in football for about the last four or five weeks of the regular season and throughout the playoffs, no question about it.
8:42Rich Eisen:Well, and again, Mark Schlereth, you know from your experiences, and we talked about it before the Super Bowl as well, that it is an offensive lineman's worst nightmare to hear his name called as much as you've called Will Campbell's name here. And so what advice would you have for Will Campbell, Mark? Well, I think there's just technically, like there's a lot of things technically that he could be better at. He gets turned, he gets too deep, and he gets turned perpendicular to line of scrimmage. And one of the things you have to have as an offensive line, And you've got to stay parallel, as parallel as you can to that line of scrimmage when you get turned.
9:19So when you're coming off the line of scrimmage, if you get turned perpendicular to the line of scrimmage, you open up an invitation to get bull rushed. You open up a soft pocket. You open up a short edge on the outside. And you open up a hole on your inside. And so he's very predictable in his pass sets. And he consistently gets turned. And he doesn't attack the line of scrimmage enough. So some of that would be, you know, how do you take the passive out of pass protection? How do you change up your sets? How do you attack line of scrimmage based upon the routes and the route combinations? We call the three-step drops, Rich.
9:56Those are all called in the huddle. So if you're going to go two jets, it's going to be 200 jet. That's a three-step drop where I can attack. But you have to understand the five-step drops where the ball is out. And so how can I take the different five-step drops that we call and understand which ones I can attack line of scrimmage and treat them like a three-step drop? And so I can go take the passive out of pass protection. I can become the aggressor in those situations. So those are things that come with maturity, that come with growing in the offense, that come with understanding when you can take those chances, when you can take the fight to the defensive line.
10:33One of the things I always thought when I was struggling in a game, and it may not look pretty on film, but I was just going to turn it into a street fight. And I may not grade out well, but at least I'm not going to get my quarterback hit a bunch. And I want to do that at the line of scrimmage as much as I can possibly do that to slow them down. And like I said, to take that pass about a pass protection and that never happened for Will Campbell. And a lot of that's because he's a young player and I still think he's a really good player. And when I hear people say, oh, he's got to move inside because he's got short arms, Those people don't know Jack's squad about football.
11:08It has nothing to do with short arms. Like, he just needs to be technically a lot better. And that will come with time and with, you know, educating himself on the game.
11:18Rich Eisen:Mark Schlereth, Stinkin' Truth Podcast, Fox Sports, three-time Super Bowl champion here on the Rich Eisen Show. So, the Seattle portion of it, how sustainable do you think this team is, Mark? That's always the question about a Super Bowl champ. What's your opinion? on that? Well, yeah, my opinion is I think a couple of things. I think they've got a great young core of really good football players defensively. I think they're incredible. They've got a great rotation on their defensive line. They just are a really good, solid football team with stars on all three levels of their defense. So I think that's incredibly sustainable.
12:01And I think defense always travels. And so I think that's a big part of who they are. I think they've got a couple of young offensive linemen that are really good players. And, you know, I mean, obviously, Kenneth Walker, the third, was incredible. And his ability to just play out, I'm like, they're running tight inside zone stuff, like 14-15 handoff, where he, like, walks up the line of scrimmage. It's just the most remarkable thing. He's like standing straight up. He like literally walks the line of scrimmage. It's everybody's suck in and then bounces something to the outside and is so explosive.
12:37Like he's got that unique combination of just power, quickness, but just that speed. And I just thought I thought he was phenomenal. And I think one of the things that I've always really liked him, but I think he became a much better back when he became a bell cow, as opposed to a guy that was trading, you know, rep for rep with Charbonnet. And there are those guys in this league that just get better with carries, that understand what a defense is doing and how to set the defense up. And I thought that was kind of old school 90s football of Kenneth Walker and what they did in Seattle. I think he had 27 carries.
13:18I thought he was phenomenal.
13:19Rich Eisen:Yeah, he sure was. And then there's the question of Sam Donald, Mark. I mean, what an incredible season he wound up having. And we just had Al Michaels here. The fourth quarter of that Week 16 Thursday night or against the Rams is really when he put his foot down in the ground and said, this is it. He basically called game, right? He called game that night and he called game on the season. Now that we're looking back, obviously, anything could have gone in a different manner when the humans are actually playing a game. But looking back, he called games starting in the fourth quarter of the season.
13:59Rich, I thought just overall with Sam Darnold, first off, man, he is baptism through fire. Man, that guy's heard it all about being a bust and being no good and getting bounced from team to team to team. And we've talked about that. But I thought that fourth quarter, he threw two picks in the first half of that game in Seattle against the Rams that they won, you know, 38, 37, whatever it was. And and from that point forward, there was a realization that he went through, I believe, where he was just like, listen, man, we've got a really good running game. We've got a really good football team. we've got a great defense and a great head coach and a great you know defensive play caller with a great offensive play caller the only way we don't have a chance to win is if i turn the ball over and throughout the entirety of the playoffs i don't believe they had one turn on no as an offense and and like sam donald it takes a level of maturity to go hey man we're gonna win we're going to win football games, but I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to be the star, the star, like to have that level of selflessness to say, the only way we're going to lose this game is if I lose it and I'm not going to allow that to happen.
15:18So I don't care about being a superstar. I care about our team winning. And I think that's the coolest thing for me. My experience with winning in this league and winning championships in this league is it's amazing what you can accomplish when nobody cares who gets the credit and that is exactly what i saw from sam darnold throughout this playoff run toward the end of the season uh i thought he was remarkable and good for
15:42Rich Eisen:him because he's a great dude great dude and he's a perfect avatar for what mike mcdonald sells he really is you know and like i know coach quarterback combinations are usually you know offensive minded head coach not a defensive minded head coach but darnold is a perfect perfect personification of what Mike McDonald wants out of his team. And, and on top of it, just to, I guess, bring every, all of our conversation for the year, full circle. Only one team, Mark Schlereth in the playoffs had zero fourth down attempts on offense. Zero. Didn't one time go for it. Yeah. You want to guess which team that was?
16:20I'm going to say it was the Seattle.
16:22Rich Eisen:That is correct. Yeah. Not one time. Yeah. And they got 13 points off of the failed fourth down attempts of their opponents. And they didn't turn it over. And they ran the ball. The MVP of the Super Bowl was a running back. I mean, soup to nuts. It was excellent at every spot. Every spot. And let me just say this about Mike McDonald. I think this is really hard for a young coach. And he's in his second year as a head coach. but he has he has the ability to be relational but be demanding and I say this all the time Rich about coaches in general and the coaches that have success and I played for Joe Gibbs I played for Mike Shanahan two of the great coaches in this league in the history of this league they have this I always talk about this fear factor of coaches and two types of fear biblical fear which is awesome reverence and respect you have to have respect for those guys and you have to know like they're in charge and then just straight up fear like they'll cut you in a heartbeat and they're demanding and if you don't do what they're asked you don't get to play and for Mike McDonald just having that that kind of connection with his players and basically saying if you don't play the style of football that I require guess what you don't get to play and he established that from day one when he took over that program and you can see just the value of having a guy that has those two types of fear and he has those two types of fear without question all right before i let you go mark slareth two sports talk radio questions yeah to end our conversation all right okay great first one the team watching the result of super bowl 60 that is kicking themselves the most for not being there because they think they have a chance to win it i'll give you a various ones There's Minnesota, obviously.
18:21Rich Eisen:There's Denver. I know Bo Nix got hurt. There are the Rams. You've got anybody else in the AFC? I guess the Chiefs even. The Chiefs might be sitting there going, any of our last few years, right? Eagles could be sitting there also. Which one do you think is kicking themselves this Tuesday morning the most, Mark? Probably the Broncos, but the Broncos were going to play with a backup quarterback. I do think the Rams look at that, look at their last couple of games with the Seahawks and going, man, like offensively, we put it on that defense. We scored, you know, 37 points in the in the regular season game and whatever they scored in the playoffs.
19:02Like we put it on them. And, you know, and there's another team that bypassed the field goal to give them an opportunity to win by going for it on fourth down. So it's probably more than even the Broncos. It'd probably be the Rams.
19:17Rich Eisen:Because they thought that. So you do believe the NFC championship game turned out to be a de facto Super Bowl. Whoever won. I don't think there's, I don't think there's any question. Those are two best. I think the Rams and the Seahawks are the two best teams in football. Okay. Last one is a poll question. That's that Rich Eisen show on, on the X machine. Read it, read it to Mark Schlereth, Chris Brockman. All right, Mark, who wins more Super Bowls in their career? The last two winning quarterback, Sam Darnold, Jalen Hurts, or the previous two MVPs, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson. Which one of those four winds up?
19:50That's a great question. I would still go with, I know they haven't won it, but Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. But you can only choose one. Sorry, sir.
20:00Rich Eisen:Oh, I can only choose one? Yeah, it's not a grouping. It's not a grouping. You have to choose one of the last two Super Bowl quarterbacks to win it, or the last quarterbacks prior to this year to win the MVP? What do you got? Ooh, man, that's great. Okay, I'll go Sam Darnold then because he's just got a better football team around him. How about that? Yeah, but the Eagles, right? I mean, you don't think the Eagles could – The Eagles seem so dysfunctional, Rich. But that's their oxygen, isn't it? Their love language. I don't know. This is just for New England Patriot fans because I know you're hurting right now, and I just want to say the one positive thing that came out of the Super Bowl and I think it's a big one.
20:41As a dude, I think it's a big one. Vrabel didn't have to cut off his hoo-ha. So you can take that away. That's a really positive thing if you're a Patriot fan.
20:53Rich Eisen:I think you left one thing off the list of what doesn't lie, Mark, and that's you. Yeah, exactly. Am I wrong? Exactly. Am I wrong? Kids say the darndest things. Stink says the darndest things right here. Three-time Super Bowl champ Mark Schler. It's great to see you, man. Thanks for the season. And I'd love to, you know, keep having you on. And there's a nonstop conversation here, obviously. Any time, man, any time. I will come on whenever you ask me, Rich. You're always been. I will say this, man. You've always been really good to me from the very first time I got into television back in 2001 with ESPN when we worked together.
21:30And I've always appreciated the way you've treated me and treated others in that building. So thank you so much.
21:36Rich Eisen:Hey, man, that's so kind of you to say that. That's a very long time ago when I had hair and we were just getting started. Look at us. Yeah. And I didn't have any gray in my beard at that time. So, you know. The Stinkin' Truth podcast with Mark Schlereth, wherever you get your podcasts. And, of course, on Fox Sports. Mark, thanks for the time, brother. You be well. You got it, Rich. Take care, buddy. That's three-time Super Bowl champ Mark Schlereth. What do you say were the three things that didn't lie? Children, young children. Young children. What was the second one again? I forgot that one because yoga pants threw me off.
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22:08It was the something dominating run defense or something. Yeah.
22:12Rich Eisen:I just got stuck on the yoga pants. I got yoga pants. All right. Now we're creeping people up. I mean. It's not like we were on ESPN or anything. No. Okay. We are. Wait a minute. We are. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back. Your phone calls overreaction Monday on a Tuesday right here on this fun Rich Eisen show approaching halftime. The Rich Eisen Show podcast.
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24:47Rich Eisen:Back here on the Rich Eisen Show is a simulcast. ESPN Radio just rejoined us. We say hello to those listening. 844-204-RICH, number to dial. Folks have been hanging on forever, So let's go to, who are we going to take here? Let's go to Michael in Pennsylvania here on the Rich Eisen Show. What's up, Michael? It's line five, Michael DelTufo. How are you, Rich? What's up, bud? Listen, two things. One, do you think that Jalen Hurts in modern-day football is the doormat of super-winning quarterbacks? You know what? Last year, at this time, Michael, we were talking about Jalen Hurts has arrived, and I'm like Jalen Hurts with a win is going to be dangerous and then the offense just wasn't anything close to what we saw one year ago at this time.
25:38Rich Eisen:The offensive line is different. Obviously the play caller is different and things did not work out as well. They did make the playoffs, right? They did win a playoff game. and you got a different coordinator every year of your life from junior high school all the way to the pros i mean every other year as of now every other year we're going to the super bowl with a different court with a different coordinator i just feel like everybody talks about russell wilson if russell wilson were and his i mean if jalen hurts would end his career the same way russell Wilson does. Do you think Russell Wilson's a Hall of Famer, then wouldn't Jalen Hurts be?
26:24Rich Eisen:Russell Wilson's first decade of his career was 100 % Hall of Fame pathway. There's no question about it. That there is no doubt, Michael. I agree. I suppose Jalen Hurts played the same wait for 10 years i i i don't i don't know michael i i mean it's going to be a rough case for for ross at this point in time i know i just think they treat him like he's a doormat there's no doubt about it there's no question about it and and and i think he's perfect for philadelphia because he doesn't ever add any fuel to any fire that is burning ever he goes the opposite way and i know that infuriates a lot of Eagles fans when he talks like he's riding a fortune cookie.
27:11Rich Eisen:Yeah, I want the backlash too, but. But I would, and thanks for the call, Michael, in Pennsylvania here on the program. An interesting food for thought. But, I mean, Jalen Hurts has been nothing but awesome his entire career. We go over his journey all the time, all the time. He's put one in the case in Philadelphia. and two of it if you want to go I don't have his game log in front of me you can make the case the best games of his career were Super Bowls Super Bowls and we'll see what happens this coming year with Sean Mannion you're in the barrel it's your time on the clock as the new offensive coordinator and you know I don't know does this mean he might if he does well be poached in the next coaching cycle or he stays.
28:03Rich Eisen:I don't know. But you look at the photograph of the Super Bowl MVPs that returned in San Francisco prior to Super Bowl 60 and look at him. He's in this group. This is him. He is him. He's standing next to Peyton Manning and there is Brady and Rice and Montana and Eli and Young and Emmett and Lin Swan and nobody ever can take that jacket away from him. I don't know what happened in Philadelphia, which by the way is the phrase that is said every year they don't make the Super Bowl. In the last five, I have no idea what the hell happened there. And I have no idea what hurts his role is in it. He didn't play well sometimes.
28:56Rich Eisen:Other times he played well enough, which is what we're talking about Sam Darnold now, but it doesn't help that they constantly churn quarterbacks. I mean, offensive coordinators there. We shall see. I mean, that is one of the biggest questions of this offseason is what's going to happen with A.J. Brown. Is there anything that's going to happen with A.J. Brown? And what the hell happened there? Yeah. Again. But Jalen Hurts, I mean, hey, this time last year it's like a monkey off the back he got the super bowl championship he is the guy and he was superb again in the big game and worthy of being the mvp of that game and then it all went down like it was two years prior to this one there what's going on with him what's this what's that i don't know but it seems to me he's the person like would he be better off Like Sam Donald, send him to Seattle and he can do a relative anonymity and nobody is going to bother him.
30:05Rich Eisen:Or is he the perfect guy in Philadelphia because he just removes the oxygen from the room to the point where you're like, is there anybody in there? Which is perfect because they're at spinal tap 11 all the time and he doesn't turn it up to 12. There's a lot of noise. He always takes it down. He always turns down a noise. Yeah, his game in the Super Bowl lost to Kansas City. He could have won MVP. By the way, I went high register. No, he had a real good case. 304 yards and a touchdown, 70 rushing yards, three touchdowns. Almost 400 yards and four touchdowns. We know how that game ended. And then the rematch where he was MVP, 220, two touchdowns, 72 rushing yards and a touchdown.
30:43Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was awesome. And understand why we're still giving this. Why are we talking about this dude like he's some jabroni? Yeah, exactly. Do you like his career? Let's just do what the caller said.
30:56Rich Eisen:Do you like his career path better than Russ's at this point? Russ had a better career path at this point. Although at this point he didn't win a Super Bowl yet, I don't believe. Russ's first years in the league, he won playoff games every year. He did. And playoff games, plural, every year. and he was doing things at the quarterback spot that few people had ever done at that age and in the first 10 years of a career. Russell Wilson won a playoff game in each of his first five years in the week. He was awesome. By the way, C.J. Stroud's won the first three. C.J. Stroud is the only one. He, Russ, was unquestionably on a Hall of Fame career path.
31:41Rich Eisen:Jalen Hurts, his two Super Bowl appearances, What years did Russ make the Super Bowls of his career? Second year, 2013. All right. Third year, 2014. All right. So, yeah, I mean. Russ for his career, 9-8 in the playoffs. 1-1, lost 1. 9-8 in the playoffs. Hurts is 6-4 right now. I appreciate the caller saying he's on a Russ career path, and if he doesn't do it from here on out, now in the same bucket as we're putting Russ right now. I don't have an answer for it. I would say 100%. Certainly he stays in Philadelphia, where every other year it's like, great job. And the other years after that, in between, they're all like, what the hell happened?
32:25Rich Eisen:Well, next year, then he's probably going to the Super Bowl, right? Where do the poll results stand in our poll question, Chris? Yeah, the poll, give us a call or log in and vote. Who wins more Super Bowls in their career? Sam Darnold, Jalen Hurts, They have one each, obviously. Josh Allen, Lamar. Lamar is at 5%. He's at the bottom. Josh Allen, 20%. And Sam Darnold and Jalen Hurts are tied, nearly 1 ,000 votes, at 38%. Okay. Let's take one more phone call. We'll take a break, then we'll do overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. Let's go to Jeffrey in San Francisco, who we saw, I believe, just last week.
33:06Rich Eisen:Jeffrey, how are you, sir? Hey. Good morning, Governor. How are you? I'm doing fine. What's going on? Listen, just wanted to touch base two quick things. The Strand and that story you told yesterday. Okay. The Strand exceeded expectations, dude. That was a fun night. You're talking about the chat with Chris Berman live in front of the story. We saw you for an upcoming This Was Sports Center, the new podcast series that we're cultivating like a Lufthansa caper around here. where I'm interviewing the OGs of the sports entities. Yeah, that was a fun night with Berman. He was awesome. But, dude, I hit you with the who's more likely two rings, Darnold or Vrabel.
33:48And then I got to ask Boomer. I was the last one to talk to Boomer, and I got to ask him my question. Out of all the people you've interviewed in your 40 years, if you could go back and talk to one person one time, who would it be and why?
34:02Rich Eisen:What did Berman say? Willie Mays. I mean, he's also got San Francisco on the brain there, too, for sure. He loves that town, as do I. So that's a good one. You know what was funny? Yeah. I was the last one when I asked him the question. He just made this, like, guttural sound. I mean, that's Boomer. And what story did I tell yesterday? I told a lot of stories yesterday. What story did I tell? The skunk. Ah, yeah. Well, that was great. Thanks for the call, Jeffrey in San Francisco. Oh, hey. Oh, yeah. Richard, real quick. Yes, sir. I met your wife. I told her a joke that Richard Kine told to Terry Gross the week before.
34:38Okay. Make sure she tells you that joke. It was funny.
34:41Rich Eisen:Okay, very good. That's Jeffrey in San Francisco. Need to make a note. Susie might be out there listening right now. She's going about her busy day. Tell us the Richard Kine joke. I don't know. That could go in a million directions. That could go in too many directions. Directions I don't wish to know. Let's go to Bo in Washington, D.C. What's up, Bo? He's up. Uh-oh. We'll give you one more second, Bo. And scene. Frank in Torrance, California, just down the road from us here. Like a home game. What's up, Frank? Hey, very special to be on the show. Listen, yesterday's Sunday's game reminded me of the Jet game, January 12, 1969.
35:25Now, think about this, Rich. The Jets held the great Don Shue Baltimore Colts scoreless for the first three quarters. That was a great day. Now, that was amazing. And here's what's really ironic. That Colt team was 13-1 in a 14-game season. They held those teams, 10 games, teams were held with 10 points or less, four shutouts, five games with no touchdown. And they had one loss to the Cleveland Browns, 30-20. And that was the team they played in the championship game. And everyone thought that that was going to be a war. But Colts destroyed the Browns 34 to nothing, which led to the 17 and a half point being favored over the Jets after the Packers had won the first two Super Bowl.
36:18So what's so ironic about all of this?
36:21Rich Eisen:And I'm going to test your memory on this. OK. Who do you think was the defensive coordinator for the Jets? Well, that was Weeb Eubank as the head coach. Right. And I was shocked to know it was Buddy Ryan. Buddy Ryan. I almost said it. Damn it, Frank. I should have said it just to freak you out. Thanks for the call, Frank. I got some more interesting stats about that game. Now, here's Joe Namath, the flamboyant Joe Namath, sitting in his Speedo, drinking his pina colada, telling the sports writers they're guaranteeing victory. What they did in their game plan, they had 43 rushes to 29 passes, the Jets.
37:08And so they ate up the clock. They had about 140 yards rushing. Emerson Boozer and Matt Snell. And who was the MVP of that Super Bowl?
37:19Rich Eisen:Joe Willie Namath, man. Yeah. Of course, because he guaranteed, you know why, Frank? Frank, and I appreciate the call. I got to jump because we got the commercial break coming up. You know why? Because he's chilling out at the pool, telling all the sports writers, we're going to win this game. Brent Musburger. Brent Musburger was poolside with him. You know? And is it a Jim Harbaugh thing to say I remembered that day, even though I wasn't born yet? You were not born yet. I was not born yet. But I also appreciate Frank and Torrance. Give it to me. Because we had no idea. Old Gen Stats. I had no idea that we were going to get an Old Gen Stats.
37:57Pretty good.
37:59Rich Eisen:And while we're strolling down Jet's memory lane here. This is true. I still can't believe Sam Darnold is a Super Bowl champion. Put up the board. Sam Darnold has now as many Super Bowl wins as the entire histories of the three teams he's previously played for. Three of the four. Obviously, we don't include the 49ers there. He didn't play, but yeah. You know what I'm saying? Sam Darnold now has as many Super Bowl wins as the Jets, Vikings, and Panthers. Come by. Tell that joke to Richard Kind. Oh, Rich, I just can't. Hello. Hello. Hello, Sam Darnold. You are fantastic. We'll take a break, everybody, right here on this Spin City edition of the Rich Eisen Show.
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41:18Rich Eisen:Chris Brockman and I always record it on a Monday morning before Monday show. It's out there in your RSS feeds. The Super Bowl 60 version of that now leads to Overreaction Monday on a Tuesday. That was terrible. That was crap. That was garbage. It just might suck. Overreaction. Mondays. Monday. On a Tuesday. All right, Christopher, you've got the floor. What do you have over there? Excited. You guys want to come over and watch the Super Bowl tonight? No, no, no. It's already been played. Sorry. Yeah, your Patriots lost. Sorry. Convincingly. Sorry. Good to see you. Wow. I mean, that was. I'm not overreacting.
41:53Rich Eisen:I'm just reacting. I'm saying, you know he's hurting. That was a little unnecessary. Actually, I apologized three times. The more I think. I said sorry. Before I think about it, of all the disappointing Boston championship, because there's been so many that they've played in the championship. This one hurts the least. Not insufferable. This one hurts the least. Yeah, because you're already won. Totally sufferable. Oh, is that really? Is that your first topic? No, actually. Oh, God. All right. Talking a lot about Sam Darnold. Can't get enough of the story. Like I said on the pod yesterday, I think when we think about the 2025 season, we're going to remember the Sam Darnold redemption arc the most.
42:29He's going to be the only quarterback from the 2018 class to win a Super Bowl. That's going to be.
42:35Rich Eisen:Come on. I win. All right. Come on. Whoa. I mean, where are we at now? Really? We're eight years in, boys. Eight years in. What happens? Has Josh Allen and Lamar even been to one? And how dare you? Crickets. How do you not know that if in 12 years from now, 44-year-old father of 11, Josh Rosen gets a phone call? To what? Come coach? I think he's an NBA now. Nah, he's whatever. All right. Overreaction. Onward, sir. Onward. Onward? You're going to flat out dismiss when he's the only one who's made it? Onward. Onward. Let's go. That is derelict of duty on your part. Onward. What an overreaction. I don't know, though, man, because Mason Rudolph's in that class.
43:17Rich Eisen:So let's clip this off. It gets you going deep. Clip this off and play it at Josh Allen's Hall of Fame. Okay. The Rams, guys, got to be feeling the worst. Why would they play that at Josh Allen's Hall of Fame? that he never won one. And Chris Brockman called it the Tuesday after Super Bowl 60 in this segment. We'll play it on our show. Well, if that's the case, he might not make the Hall of Fame. Of all the teams feeling the worst today, yesterday watching, the Rams are feeling the worst watching the Super Bowl from home thinking that could have been us. You had no idea I was going to ask that of Mark Slower before, nor did I have any idea this would be.
43:49Rich Eisen:I did not, but yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, they were the ones closest. Because the Vikings fans are like, that could have been us too. Yeah, but they weren't a super. But that's a whole season's worth of having to get through. That offensive line was not protecting J.J. McCarthy nor Carson Wentz either. They were all banged up. I think Denver fans are like, all we had to do was get the referees call, the holding call in the end zone against the Bills that we deserved to have called for us for a walk-off safety. and there wouldn't have been any more action that caused Bo Nix to break his ankle.
44:32Rich Eisen:And we could have made it to the Super Bowl with him and we could have been the champs. I know I just gave you a lot of tinfoil hat, you know, Sonny in Philadelphia, you know, string on the bulletin board stuff. But I think this is a proper reaction. What else over there, Chris? So close. It came down to that Zach Charbonnet just picking up the ball for the two-point contract. That's another one of those two. That's so random. There's a lot of moments for Rams fans to sit there, and the Rams maybe to sit there and think that should be us. I know Will Campbell spoke today in New England, said he had a ligament tear this season, and apologized for not speaking after the game.
45:09This is the last day I'm going to pile on Will Campbell. The Patriots should have taken Tett McMillan
45:14Rich Eisen:or traded down for Colston Loveland in last year's draft at fourth overall. I mean, talk about playing the result, man. We knew those guys were good coming into the draft. No, I still think this is an overreaction. You weren't a Ted McMillan away from beating the Seahawks, bud. You know, you also weren't Colston Loveland away from beating the Seahawks. That was literally anyone else playing on the left side of the line. You needed to have a better, I guess, backup plan or a better plan just in case. I just think the Seahawks were the better team, and at the end of the day, neither of these two guys.
45:47Rich Eisen:It would be great to have them. Let's see what happens with Will Campbell. I mean, you heard what Mark Schlereth said. in hour two earlier this hour. Teron Armstead, a frequent guest of this show, he tweeted out that everything he sees technique-wise from Will Campbell is fixable. So, they got the right staff to figure it out. Let's overreaction. What else you got? All right, a couple more. Let's talk about John Schneider. Phenomenal run that he's on as Seahawks GM. Yes. He's stolen the belt away from Howie Roseman. Oh, boy. Best GM in the NFL. Oh, buddy. talk about recency bias Brett Veach is sitting here like he's done a great Howie Roseman and Ozzie Newsom coming into the season were the only general managers in the history of the NFL to win two Super Bowls with a different coach and a different quarterback each time.
46:38Rich Eisen:John Schneider is the third but John Schneider is the first to have both of those Super Bowls have completely new rosters there was no overlap at all so I'll say this is a proper reaction in that regard. I thought you're going to say that John Schneider's on a path to the Hall of Fame where he then makes it. And at some point, Bill Belichick still isn't in. And he's the general manager that says no. Rich, before you answer this question. Instead of Bill Polin. You like that one? I'm trying to be recent. You guys know that Jerry Jones is a GM in the NFL. Okay. I'm just making sure you know that before you answer the question.
47:14Rich Eisen:My bad. Does this change anything? All right. Okay. Before you finish up strong, we've got 20 seconds left before our radio audience departs. Hey, radio audience, Ernest Jones of the championship Seattle Seahawks team is going to join us. And then Joel McHale, a 12 himself, will join us as well. It's going to be a great third hour here on ESPN, ESPN Plus and Disney Plus. But ESPN Radio and Sirius XM, we will see you or chat with you in just another few seconds time. The Rich Eisen Show Podcast.
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