Hour 2: Red Sox Sweep the Yankees, plus ESPN’s Brian Windhorst Talks LeBron, Kawhi, Knicks & More

29 Jun 2026 · 46 min · 18 chapters

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In short

NBA offseason rumors and roster-building scenarios, plus a quick MLB and sports-business sidebar.

Guests

ESPN senior NBA writer Brian Windhorst (in-studio). Other referenced people include LeBron James, Draymond Green, Anthony Davis, Jalen Brown, Kawhi Leonard, Giannis Antetokounmpo, and NBA/college figures like Dusty May and Steve Kerr (mentioned, not as guests).

Key claims

  • Warriors’ cap flexibility could rise after Draymond Green opted out; Windhorst says it “opens up” options including a possible LeBron deal around $15M.
  • LeBron reportedly hasn’t met with the Lakers about free agency yet; Lakers may need to offer enough money to prompt availability.
  • Possible chain: Warriors trade for Anthony Davis (via Wizards), then LeBron signs in free agency; all “possible,” not certain.
  • Celtics trading Jalen Brown for draft picks suggests a plan shift away from immediate championship.
  • Kawhi likely wants to stay in LA; extension talks reportedly point to Toronto for money.

Notable examples

  • Lakers increasing Austin Reaves’ offer after Pistons leverage.
  • Wizards giving Trey Young a $200M extension.
  • Timberwolves pivot: LaMelo as a “double-team buster” after pursuing Giannis.
  • Knicks staying under the apron to keep the core; Heat need shooting around Giannis/Bam.

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Rich Eisen Welcomes Brian Windhorst

0:34 to 0:56

Rich Eisen begins the discussion with Brian Windhorst about current NBA events.

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Rich Eisen Welcomes Brian Windhorst

1:26 to 2:15

Rich Eisen begins the discussion with Brian Windhorst about current NBA events.

“Receiving the Living Legend Icon Award tonight is none other than...”

Draymond Green's Contract Situation

2:15 to 3:48

Discussion on Draymond Green opting out and its implications for the Warriors.

“Here's the way I'm going to try and handle this interview.”

LeBron James' Free Agency Dilemma

3:48 to 5:43

Analysis of LeBron James' free agency status and the Lakers' attempts to negotiate.

“So in addition to that, you know, in discussing the situation, it's my understanding, and this I'm trying to choose my words carefully.”

Potential Trades and the NBA Landscape

5:43 to 10:24

Exploration of possible trades including Anthony Davis and implications for the Lakers and Warriors.

“And so we have, and all of a sudden, the Warriors opportunity.”

Jalen Brown and Kawhi Leonard Trade Speculations

10:24 to 14:01

Discussion on Jalen Brown's trade possibilities and Kawhi Leonard's contract situation with the Clippers.

“Brian Winhorst here on the Rich Eisen Show.”

Kawhi's Potential Move to Toronto

14:01 to 17:00

Discussion on Kawhi Leonard's desire to return to Toronto and the implications of his potential trade.

“And I think the Clippers are not ready to extend him.”

NBA Rumors and Team Strategies

20:25 to 26:04

In-depth conversation about the current state of various NBA teams and player movements.

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Knicks' Future and Team Dynamics

26:04 to 28:00

Discussion on the Knicks' strategy, player prospects, and the implications for their future.

“Like, it's so, as a Knick fan, it's so wild to hear them referred to as the champs to see what they just did.”

Knicks' Roster Decisions and Draft Insights

28:00 to 29:59

Discussion about the Knicks' roster decisions, focusing on key players and their potential impact.

“for the Knicks to go into the second apron, at least for this year, which would mean you keep Mitchell Robinson and Landry Shaman.”
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Spurs' Future with Victor Wimbanyama

30:00 to 31:59

Analysis of the Spurs' strategy following Victor Wimbanyama's arrival, focusing on team composition.

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Dusty May's Career Move to the Mavericks

32:00 to 35:50

Exploration of Dusty May's transition from coaching at Michigan to the NBA, analyzing the implications.

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Brian Windhorst's NBA Insights

35:51 to 36:20

Brian Windhorst shares insights on coaching hires and team dynamics in the NBA.

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Listener Call-In and SportsCenter Reflections

38:08 to 42:06

Listener shares thoughts on the SportsCenter retrospective and its impact on fans.

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Game Day Memories and Coaching Insights

42:06 to 43:20

Learn about the history and impact of Game Day on college football culture.

Personal Reflections on Boston and Yankees

43:20 to 43:59

Discover personal anecdotes related to the Boston area and the rivalry with the Yankees.

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Discussing Mets Coaching Changes

43:59 to 44:28

Engage in a conversation about the recent coaching changes in the Mets organization.

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Absurdity in Sports Reporting

44:28 to 46:22

Explore a humorous incident involving a sports reporter and a mascot on camera.

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Transcript

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0:00Brian Windhorst:Are all batteries the same? That's like asking if all soccer players are the same. Take Messi, the most decorated player ever. Is there any other player who has achieved that? No, just him. Now take Duracell. Is there any other battery with Power Boost ingredients inside? No, just Duracell. Remember, goats only trust goats because they're built different. And Messi only trusts Duracell.

0:31Brian Windhorst:This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+.

0:56Rich Eisen:This is The Rich Eisen Show. Hey, everybody. Can't get enough of The Rich Eisen Show? You're in luck. You can find us everywhere. Watch us weekdays on Disney Plus from noon to 3 Eastern. Miss the show? We've got a podcast so you can listen anytime. But here's the best part. Our YouTube channel. Subscribe at youtube.com slash Rich Eisen Show and you'll never miss a moment. Now, on with the show.

1:26Brian Windhorst:Y 'all ready? This is the Rich Eisen Show. Receiving the Living Legend Icon Award tonight is none other than... Rich Eisen.

1:34Rich Eisen:You have me freaking kidding. I can't believe it. Live from the Rich Eisen Show studio in Los Angeles. Earlier on the show, actor Lionel Boyce. Coming up, ESPN senior NBA writer Brian Wintorst. Actor Joe Lotrulio. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Our number two of the Rich Eisen show is on the air. So excited to have Brian Windhorst here in studio. So much to talk about with him. I'm just going to dispense with the pleasantries. You know how to call us. You know how to follow us. We don't have time for pleasantries. No time. Well, I say hello. I'm a pleasant hello to you, though. Thank you. Good to see you.

2:14Rich Eisen:Thank you for being here. Here's the way I'm going to try and handle this interview. I want to know what's going on now and then what the hell happened last week.

2:22Brian Windhorst:Okay.

2:23Rich Eisen:Okay. Let's start with the now. is it possible there's going to be a big four in Golden State? You started the super team, bro. Draymond Green is going to be part of a super team. Is that possible? You're asking if it's possible.

2:39Brian Windhorst:It is possible. I'm not there yet on probable or likely. The most important thing that happened was that Draymond opted out of his contract today. um like if it wasn't last week it was 10 days ago mike dunley the general manager of the warriors did his end of or his draft press conference and he said yeah we think draymond will pick up his player option that's what the operating theory was until like yesterday and so by draymond opting out of that it takes 28 million dollars off the warriors books and in this era where where you are in the aprons matters everything yes it drops them down into a level where all of a sudden a lot more becomes option becomes available and look i'm gonna be honest with you draymond could just re-sign for 27 million in 10 days and nothing could have changed like that is on the board but one of the things that it op that it opens up is the ability to sign lebron james for 15 million dollars now let me just say regardless of whatever else you want to put into this if you can get LeBron James for$15 million, it's an incredible deal.

3:49Rich Eisen:For sure.

3:51Brian Windhorst:So in addition to that, you know, in discussing the situation, it's my understanding, and this I'm trying to choose my words carefully.

3:59Rich Eisen:Yes, indeed, sir.

4:00Brian Windhorst:It's my understanding. It may not be the actuality, but it's my understanding that LeBron has not made himself available to meet with the Lakers about his free agency. I'm choosing those words carefully. Has not made himself available. that the Lakers, the way it works, when the season ends, the finals end, you are allowed to negotiate with your own players. So that's why Austin Reeves last week never actually became a free agent. The Lakers were able to negotiate with him. Ramona Shelburne on our staff told this story about how they brought him in for a nice meeting and they had pillows that were embroidered for him and everything.

4:39Brian Windhorst:It's touching. Right. For all I know, there were pillows in the closet that had LJ on them. Because the Lakers reached out.

4:47Rich Eisen:They could have been pillows from years ago, right? Correct. They just recycled the pillows.

4:51Brian Windhorst:The Lakers reached out to LeBron to say, hey, we'd love to have you back. And LeBron has not made himself available for a meeting with the Lakers. He has, based on his IG, been playing golf every day. These are just two statements. I'm not taking anything from these, okay? So today is June 29th. free agency starts tomorrow. Decisions are made on June. All the options in the contracts are set to June 29th. This is decision day. This is really when free agency starts. So here we have LeBron, at the very least, putting off his decision. And he hasn't said he's playing. I do not want to be accused of making an assumption.

5:32Brian Windhorst:I don't know for sure that he's playing. But the Lakers have not even been able to offer LeBron a contract because he has not had time or he has not made himself available. Okay. So those two things are happening. And so we have, and all of a sudden, the Warriors opportunity. And we have LeBron sort of not meeting with the Lakers.

5:52Rich Eisen:Okay, so follow-up questions here. Let's take the Lakers part first. Is it possible, okay, that the Lakers find out which golf course LeBron is going to?

6:04Brian Windhorst:Yes.

6:04Rich Eisen:And they send the Laker executive that he likes the most to drive the cart that has the drinks on it.

6:12Brian Windhorst:It'd be a very good scene in the movie.

6:14Rich Eisen:Just to pull up, you know, like in the same way that somebody serves papers on somebody. Yeah. You know, when they're in a suit, right? Yeah. That they find out, like, they serve him with a contract on a golf course.

6:26Brian Windhorst:I think they don't need to serve the contract. They just need to offer enough money to where he would make himself available. I think that's...

6:33Rich Eisen:Ah! So they can't reach out to his representative and say, here's the amount of money we're willing to pay you?

6:39Brian Windhorst:That has not happened yet, to my understanding. Oh, my word.

6:42Rich Eisen:And there's a day left of that exclusive negotiating window. In the meantime, the Warriors have communicated with Draymond Green. Hey, this is possible. Give us the – I don't know.

6:56Brian Windhorst:I don't know what they've communicated.

6:57Rich Eisen:I know he opted out. Okay. So we know he's opted out. Yeah. But he's got to know him opting out gives optionality to the people that he potentially told him, he still wants you here and he still wants to be here.

7:09Brian Windhorst:Raymond and LeBron have the same agent? Yes, that's a fair suspicion. Now, also, Anthony Davis has the same agent, Rich Paul. And it is my understanding that AD's representatives and the Wizards met yesterday about a possible contract extension. He can't sign an extension until August, but this is when you would sort of talk about that. AD has one year left on his contract plus a player option, but one guaranteed year.

7:40Rich Eisen:Yes. And would that be a sign and trade?

7:43Brian Windhorst:Well, this is the thing. Is it possible that the Warriors could call the Wizards and make an offer and say, we'd love to trade for Anthony Davis and that Anthony Davis could be traded and LeBron could come in free agency and those things could happen? Yes, it's possible.

8:01Rich Eisen:Now it is because of the move that Draymond made.

8:04Brian Windhorst:And then Draymond could then re-sign for a lower number and then add years onto the back to make himself whole. All of those things are possible. I will also tell you that the Warriors routinely, every transaction window, what I mean by transaction windows, there's two basically per year. There's the summer and there's the trade deadline. Yes, sir. Every transaction window, basically, the Warriors try some gigantic home run swing. Okay? Most of the time they fail. There are times when they've hit. Like they hit on Kevin Durant. Yes, sir. They hit on getting Jimmy Butler. Okay. But they have swung and missed more than they've hit.

8:41Brian Windhorst:But they're in the batter's box. Absolutely. Which is probably where you want your owner and your general manager to be. So I just want to be clear. This is all possible. But just because it's possible doesn't mean it's happening. Now, let me just say all this one other thing. The people in the league that I'm talking to today are giving me the side eye. And they're going, this is going to end up with Draymond Green getting a new contract in Golden State, LeBron getting a new contract in Los Angeles, and Anthony Davis getting a new contract in Washington. And again, I will just say, that's all possible.

9:14Brian Windhorst:But we just saw last week, okay, as you know, Rich, I am in enormous actions over words. I don't care about words, I only really care about actions. Last week, the Lakers were offering Austin Reeves this amount of money. He wasn't happy. He thought he might have to go elsewhere. The Lakers were concerned that the Pistons were going to offer over the top. And they dramatically increased their offer. Austin Reeves couldn't even believe it. Passes out on the golf course. So we just saw last week the actions of the Lakers seeing another offer out there for one of their players and then increasing their offer.

9:53Brian Windhorst:okay yes we just saw last week the wizards giving trey young 200 million dollars in a contract extension and if i'm anthony davis i'm saying well if they're going to give trey young a contract extension why wouldn't they give me a contract extension okay so i'm not saying i know but part of this could be creating leverage for ad and lebron in both washington and la and then everybody gets paid on a contract. Or they could all end up in Golden State. I'm not sure which it's going to be.

10:26Rich Eisen:Brian Winhorst here on the Rich Eisen Show. The Sports Talk Radio question coming your way, sir. Jalen Brown, Kawhi Leonard, which one is more likely to be on another team? You could also say both.

10:41Brian Windhorst:I never, ever say never.

10:43Rich Eisen:Yes.

10:44Brian Windhorst:So I guess it's not impossible that Jalen Brown and the Celtics could get back together, but I think that's highly unlikely.

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10:51Rich Eisen:Is it because he was offered for Giannis?

10:54Brian Windhorst:They're offering him everywhere, Rich. He's, I mean, I'm not in the Celtics offices, so I can't say for sure, but I've heard the Celtics attached to, I'm not even going to put a number on it because then I'd have to defend that number, but many, many teams. And not only that, but as you know, again, a week ago, let's focus on actions. the actions were that the Celtics were trying to get Giannis. If you're trying to trade Jalen Brown for Giannis Antetokounmpo, you are intending to try to win the championship this year, which is not a surprise. The Celtics have been trying to win the championship every year for most of the last decade.

11:36Brian Windhorst:Now, the deals that I'm hearing them discuss secondhand to me are draft, at least in many cases, draft pick centric. I have been told they've been asking for three, four, five first round picks for Jalen Brown, which leads me to believe that they're examining a short term future where they're not trying to win a championship because you don't take an all NBA player and trade him for primarily draft picks and say we're going to be the same team. Now, maybe you have a middle term plan where you're going to take those draft picks and then go try to get another star player and that could happen but they're seeking at least with some teams they're talking to draft pick heavy trades a week after trying to get Giannis and so that tells me number one they're very motivated to trade him and number two that they're a little bit outside their plan because again their plan seems to have changed that doesn't mean that they're not going to trade him for solid players that can help them win the championship this year but the fact that they're doing that gives me that

12:39Rich Eisen:impression okay what about kawaii what's going on with him so i don't think kawaii wants to leave

12:43Brian Windhorst:the clippers okay and i wouldn't even say that that's a guarantee however when you're going into the last year of your contract and you're 35 which he is today happy birthday to kawaii i'm sure he's celebrating with apples he's eating apples yes rebound boards and apples great um that was actually not a true story i know that but it's a great sorry to throw that but it's a great visual I don't know. I just try to be accurate. No, no.

13:09Rich Eisen:I didn't mean to interrupt you with my idiocy. Please go on. Sorry.

13:12Brian Windhorst:I feel like I'm a filler bustering. Anyway. Yes. That's good. They want, I think Kawhi would like to stay in LA. Okay. He's coming off of a season and a half of very healthy basketball, very healthy, high level basketball. He made second team all NBA this year. Average 25, shot 51%. I think he shot 90 % from the line, shot the high 30s from three, an excellent season. And so if you're him and, you know, the investigation is there and I don't have answers for what's going on there. I don't. I just don't know what's going to happen. But you would want an extension. If you're 35 years old, you're coming off of, he's been healthy for a year and a half and he's played like 100 out of, like 103 out of like 120-ish games, like he's been healthy.

14:02Brian Windhorst:You want to be taken care of. And I think the Clippers are not ready to extend him. I don't think the Clippers came in and said, we got to trade you. And so you're like, look, if you don't want to extend me, then I think I'd like to go. And I'd like to go to a certain place. And Shams Charani and my colleague at ESPN has reported that the place he wants to go to extend is Toronto.

14:24Rich Eisen:Go back to where he came from.

14:27Brian Windhorst:Now, if that trade happens, I think you will hear, oh, my gosh, I loved it there. They treated me well. Yeah, do you remember?

14:35Rich Eisen:They were like Kauai-friendly restaurants, right?

14:39Brian Windhorst:I want to know if the Kauai, they called it the Kauai and Dine. That was their whole group. That's right. I remember that, right? And I was there for the finals. They posted on the door all the restaurants that were participating. His logo was the KL2 or whatever. They posted that on the door and said, Kauai and Dine. Are those stickers still on the door? Is that standard?

14:59Rich Eisen:Run it back, man.

15:00Brian Windhorst:Remember at the parade, the guy gave him a plant? Yeah. All those things. I remember all that. And that's all very wonderful and nice. And there's a banner up there that he delivered and all that stuff. But I suspect the reason he wants to go there is for money. Because the Raptors would be willing to extend him. I think there's other places might be too, but I think he likes that possibility. So I think there's a stronger possibility of that happening than, at least right now, of AD than going to Golden State.

15:27Rich Eisen:Have I hit on all the rumors? Am I missing something right now that involves a big player?

15:32Brian Windhorst:A big player? I don't know. I mean, there's a lot of small rumors out there. Okay. But yeah, I think those are the headlines. Are you ready for this to be over? I mean, this is every year. This is what we do. This is it, right? One year, it's LeBron going somewhere. One year, it's whoever. This is what we do. In late June, I come to LA. Yes, sir. And everybody at the airport is going on vacation. every year i i fight the bet traffic because the bet awards every year are on are on sunday night

16:06Rich Eisen:before free agency well now you got the world cup too the world cup too but last night was the bet

16:11Brian Windhorst:awards okay and um and every year i deal with the anime convention hey i had no idea what do you mean you deal with the anime well in downtown la the first week of last week of june first week of july they have the anime convention i had no idea and i'm always 23 years i'm always there yeah you On the weekend, the BET Awards are there. And on Tuesday or Wednesday, the anime convention comes in. And it's two very different crowds. That's right. And every year.

16:36Rich Eisen:Where are you more famous at? Neither. Come on now. Come on now. There's no way the BET crowd don't know you, Wendy. Stop.

16:44Brian Windhorst:Let's just put it this way. In one, there's a lot of flesh. And the other, there's a lot of fur and spandex. You can determine which is which.

16:56Rich Eisen:Fantastic. Brian Reinhors here on the Rich Heisen Show. All right, let's take a break. We'll come back and we'll talk about what's happened and as to what in the world is going on on all of these fronts. And I'll just give you a little hint of what I'm looking for. You may have the information or not.

17:10Brian Windhorst:Okay.

17:11Rich Eisen:How did Dusty may wind up in Dallas and not on the bench of the University of Michigan anymore? I need facts and information. Okay. While the world watches the stars at the FIFA World Cup this summer, certainly right here in this town, Hyundai has its eyes on the next generation of talent, the future stars who are already turning heads at age 14 because next doesn't wait for an invitation and neither do we hyundai has always moved the future within reach we did it when we made advanced safety standard on every vehicle and engineered aevs with ultra fast charging capability because the future isn't some far off concept it's already here next starts now hyundai an official partner of fifa you also know it doesn't wait brian windhorse reached for his phone as soon as i started making that.

17:53Rich Eisen:Hey man, you've got stuff going on.

17:55Brian Windhorst:I had a down moment. I had to check the text that just came in. He's on it.

17:59Rich Eisen:We've got one more segment with Brian before we send him back to the rest of the ESPN universe.

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19:19Rich Eisen here, and summer's here too.

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20:32Rich Eisen:One last draft question before we get to it. Does the deputy commissioner of the NBA ever have a bad day? Is he the Smilingest guy ever?

20:41Brian Windhorst:I liked at the end of the second round, and if you were watching at the end, I'd like to congratulate you. He went into the crowd that was there. There was a small crowd there. It was a Wednesday in Brooklyn. Yeah. You know, why not? What else are we doing? And he like embraced the crowd. He just short of body surf. He went in there and like embraced the crowd. High-fived everybody. I saw that.

21:00Rich Eisen:Okay. Brian Windhorst here on the Rich Eyes Show. What are the Timberwolves up to? What's going on here? Do they just decide, all right, This group that we have, we got the coach, we got Ant-Man, and we have, I guess, a couple of players that we don't want to part with as well. But the rest of it, let's go.

21:23Brian Windhorst:Let's take the last time we saw the Timberwolves on the court. With eight, seven, eight minutes to go, Anthony Edwards was walking down to the Spurs bench and congratulating them.

21:32Rich Eisen:Wanted to do that.

21:33Brian Windhorst:On their winning the series. And maybe that's one of the reasons why the Spurs were not ready for the last eight minutes of these Knicks games.

21:39Rich Eisen:Look at you.

21:40Brian Windhorst:Because when the Knicks got to eight minutes and they were behind, that's when they went for the kill. And Ant brought down the white flag. Okay? So if you're seeing that, and also remember, they traded Carl Towns. From the minute Carl Towns got traded, Ant Edwards has been relentlessly double teamed. Like, maybe Luka gets comparable level of double teams, but Ant's, the double teams that Ant is getting are heavy, and it bothers him, and he complains about it. And the guy that prevented those double teams, he's watching, holding the trophy. So those things that happened. So I think Minnesota realized, maybe let's try to see if we can fix this.

22:16Brian Windhorst:And they tried to go for Giannis. They couldn't get him. They looked into some other players. They couldn't get him. The guy that they could get was LaMelo. And LaMelo is a mystery. He has not had almost any playoff history whatsoever. And he's had an injury history that is worrisome. but my gosh is he a double team buster and like a great guy to put alongside in i mean you double team and now you do switch your own peril they can share they can play off the ball with each other they're going to be highly entertaining to watch they still have an all you know one all-time great defensive center back there to sort of help them out jayden mcdaniels who had this big big member remember he told the the he said everybody on the nuggets is a bad defender and ran his mouth and then went out and scored like 38.

23:02Rich Eisen:He stepped it up.

23:03Brian Windhorst:It increases his role. Like, you know, that's the fallout of it is that it increases his role. So, like, climbing the mountain of the Spurs and Thunder is going to be hard. But I think doing nothing would have been a risk, and they obviously didn't want to be in that boat.

23:19Rich Eisen:Giannis wound up on the heat because the heat gave up the most, or Giannis said, that's where I want to go. Do we know this?

23:25Brian Windhorst:So he did. He wanted to go to Boston. He did. Or Miami. I think, I don't know for sure, but I suspect what Milwaukee saw was if we trade for Jalen Brown, we're going to be in the same spot in a year from now because we don't have enough of a team anyway. And instead of having Giannis unhappy and we have to trade him, we're going to have Jalen unhappy. We're going to have to trade him. So even though Jalen was a better talent, I think they went with who could help them better build a team. And they had two lottery picks. they drafted Braden Burries out of Arizona and they drafted Nate Amant out of Tennessee.

24:03Brian Windhorst:Amant has a big potential like he's a guy remember they drafted Giannis at 15th you know this guy at 13th is a high potential guy maybe he pans out maybe he doesn't and their their core going forward is those two guys and I would not be surprised if they tried to flip some of these other guys they got for other prospects and things so they're going to try to build from scratch after basically not having a high draft pick in 10 years.

24:26Rich Eisen:What is the plan for Miami to build around Giannis now?

24:29Brian Windhorst:It's going to be hard. It's going to be hard. I think it's going to take them a year. They gave up so much. I think they're going to be formidable, especially defensively. They've got, you know, obviously Bam Adebayo and Giannis. Like, that's a hell of a front line to have to deal with. But neither one of them are dynamic shooters. I mean, Bam has become a better shooter. But they need some shooting. They need some ball handling. And I think it's going to take them, like, this summer and maybe next trade deadline and next summer. I would watch for them more in 28, 27, 28 than 26, 27. But I don't want to disrespect them.

25:02Brian Windhorst:I think they have repeatedly showed they know how to build a championship team.

25:06Rich Eisen:And Wiggins just signed a three-year deal. Am I informing you?

25:10Brian Windhorst:That is, you're breaking news to me. Look at this.

25:13Rich Eisen:Look at this.

25:14Brian Windhorst:Okay, how much is it for?

25:15Rich Eisen:It's three years, 64 million to stay.

25:17Brian Windhorst:Okay, so the key on that is he was supposed to get 30 million this year. So this agreement will take that$30 million down because he's obviously going to average$21.3 million. So my guess is it'll take that down under$20 million. So by this year, it'll be under$20 million. You're getting my real-time. I love this.

25:37Rich Eisen:This is great.

25:38Brian Windhorst:So the Heat, 10 minutes ago, before I saw this, the Heat had$18 million to fill out five roster spots. I suspect with that deal that they will have reduced Wiggins' salary this year by$10 million. And so they'll have roughly 28, 29 million to fill out the five roster spots, giving them a lot more flexibility. Okay.

25:56Rich Eisen:See? By the way, it's an honor for me to actually deliver something to you as opposed to the other way around. And as far as the Knicks, too. Like, it's so, as a Knick fan, it's so wild to hear them referred to as the champs to see what they just did. and then for them to have a front office that is so on it and competent. Competence sounds like even a disrespectful word to refer to what they're doing. What they did in the second round, what they did in the draft was essentially like, whoever we draft is not cracking this lineup and we want to keep this lineup. So let's do everything to get under the apron and keep everybody happy.

26:38Is Towns going to take a sort of discount?

26:43Rich Eisen:That's a huge question. What are the Knicks going to do here to keep this thing rolling?

26:47Brian Windhorst:I can't answer for Carl, but I mean, maybe. I mean, that's the thing. And, you know, here's something else the Knicks have done. Yes. They're breaking some teams. Boston doesn't think they're better than them. Like, that's essentially what this is doing. Just keep talking. Charlotte, you know, Charlotte was sort of an ascendant team. They don't think they're going to be good enough. They trade LaMelo and Miles Bridges. Cleveland is trying to hold their team together. Detroit, I think, can improve. I think one of the reasons why Toronto is going for Kawhi is they're like, wait a minute. Because who in the East are we seeing?

27:20I mean, Miami, I think, has good potential to get better,

27:23Brian Windhorst:but they're not right now ready to beat the Knicks four out of seven with this roster. So the Knicks, now we'll say this, Jim Dolan came out after the finals and said, I'm not going to 2nd April. Well, who wants to?

27:36Rich Eisen:It's not that he doesn't want to spend the money. It's so onerous in terms of what you can do. I agree. But?

27:44Brian Windhorst:But if there was a moment to go into the second apron, it's when you've got, the reason you don't go into the second apron, yes, it's for money, but also because you can't really change your roster because you get these mechanisms to change your roster like locked away.

27:57Rich Eisen:So if you're not changing your roster, what does it matter?

27:59Brian Windhorst:Right. So if there was a strong case to be made for the Knicks to go into the second apron, at least for this year, which would mean you keep Mitchell Robinson and Landry Shaman. And so I think that the Knicks, I shouldn't, I'll step me, step back. Okay. I, there was, I believe hope that Jim Dolan would revisit that edict. Okay. And I'm not sure that he has revisited that. Well,

28:22Rich Eisen:but again, didn't they based on what everything that I've read and trying to figure out, cause I'm no capologist at all that they, what they did in the draft was essentially give themselves the optionality and flexibility. A little bit. they're not quite there so listen uh i'm i'm i'm all for shammett and the threes that he delivered is he the only guy that can do that to be all with all that's the front offices mitchell robinson is obviously a more emotional because he is he the original nick in this whole situation that's left right yeah yeah um and so and he does provide such a presence so their job at this point would be to

29:02Brian Windhorst:if they lose those guys to figure out how to replace them.

29:05Rich Eisen:Well, Alvarado's staying put, so we know that. And he's, I mean, what a great, that guy, local kid, doing well. And again, we had Sean Elliott on before the finals because he's got so much connective tissue to the last time they played in the finals versus the Knicks, as well as what he's done professionally. And he was like, look out for this Alvarado guy because he's given us fits when he was in New Orleans. And look what he did.

29:34Brian Windhorst:The Knicks have married the ultimate star with the ultimate leader, with the ultimate supporting cast because they've got this history with them, with the ultimate front office, with a coach that empowers them, which normally you would say you've got to be real careful letting the inmates run the asylum, but what if the team, what if the leader of the team holds everybody accountable and has a 10-year history with them and is the right coach for the right team and you also have this incredible fan base. I mean, it's sort of like a little bit of a merry-go-round. So, you know, you try to keep the positive vibes going, but it's a real special group.

30:22Rich Eisen:And then on the flip side, the Spurs come out of it. What is the now two-week period of... well the first thing settling what are we looking the first thing you got to do is and this is a

30:32Brian Windhorst:formality but you know until it happens it hasn't happened you get victor wimbanyama into a contract extension which will happen a lot of euros uh yes a lot of euros um and then you may want to look at upgrading your big men around victor because they were a little bit there come times where like they put cornet out there and he got victimized a little bit and then when they were there were times where they felt small out there. The Knicks actually had more size on the court.

31:00Rich Eisen:Crazy. I can't fathom what happened again, but that's just me as a Knick fan for all these years. And so getting bigger, I mean, I would not be surprised. It was so good perimeter defense. They picked up Brunson 94 feet, right? You know, there's a reason why they were ahead in all those games.

31:21Brian Windhorst:Like during the season, they played Harrison Barnes at there as a power forward a lot. And then Keldon Johnson, and they played him a lot, who's a little bit undersized. I see what you're saying. Getting a little bit, they drafted two big men in the draft.

31:30Rich Eisen:Right.

31:30Brian Windhorst:So you can tell they're already thinking about getting bigger. Okay. I'm not sure those two guys are going to be ready to play right away.

31:35Rich Eisen:Right.

31:35Brian Windhorst:So I think they want to look for a little bit more size to protect. Because when Victor came off the court, things went very poorly for them. And so they had to play Victor way more minutes than he wanted to when he started running down at the end of the games. And then they were trying like some hocus pocus to like rest him in the first half to sort of save more energy for later. Ideally, you would not have that kind of crash when you took him off the court. So that's one of the things.

31:57Rich Eisen:You haven't asked me about Dusty. I'm about to. And I'm going to ask you about Dusty May this way. Why is he not on the bench at my alma mater anymore?

32:06Brian Windhorst:Why did Jay Wright retire? Why did Krzyzewski say, I've had enough? Why did Jim Boeheim say, I have enough? Why is Bill Self going year to year? Because the NIL is hell. It's hell. and the thing is he agreed to a contract extension to Michigan but he didn't sign it from what I understand because I think he was eyeing this opportunity

32:31Rich Eisen:so there was the Mavericks as an opportunity

32:35Brian Windhorst:the coach in the NBA so it's my understanding had Steve Kerr retired he would have been on the short list for the Warriors and I think he was on the list of several other teams that had openings and then obviously the Mavericks as well. So I think he had, however one makes it known that there may be interested. And also the, over the years as these teams, you know, the, the executives heavily recruit the players, they come and watch these games. They're like, boy, this guy can really coach. So I think, you know, in a beginning it gets in a position where he's able to draft one of his players coming out of the game.

33:14Brian Windhorst:That was truly a very unique situation where he is representing himself as the coach at University of Michigan. He had three guys drafted in 15 minutes. It was great. And by the way, congratulations and also welcome to my team. Like he stood up as the – congratulating him as the coach of Michigan and then welcomed him to the Mavericks in the same – that's never happened before.

33:37Rich Eisen:It's so cool, again, for me. And by the way, he had his choice of all of them. And he chose more as Johnson. Yes, which people didn't expect. Well, I think for me, it was not taking a Di Mara. Because if you got Cooper flag, as much as I love Yax, like they're both 6 '9". You take the job also, NIL, that's Cooper flag that you're coaching as well. And again, I understand this is not your particular lane. It was an NIL, sick and tired of having a run or everything. Well, I don't want to speak for him.

34:09Brian Windhorst:I just know that in college.

34:11Rich Eisen:No, I understand. So you didn't hear that there was something between Dusty and the school?

34:16Brian Windhorst:I did not hear that. Okay. He agreed to the contract extension. And I think if all the coaching jobs filled up, he would have signed it.

34:23Rich Eisen:Right.

34:24Brian Windhorst:But also, you know, the owner of the Mavericks is the second wealthiest owner after Steve Ballmer. And they wanted a championship coach. And they went out and they tried to hire NBA championship coaches, but none of their teams would let him out because a lot of them are all employed. So I haven't heard his numbers, but I'm sure he's being paid like he won an NBA championship.

34:44Rich Eisen:I mean, he deserves it. Did they reach out to John Shire first?

34:49Brian Windhorst:They did.

34:50Rich Eisen:They did?

34:51Brian Windhorst:From what I understand, Shire said no, that he wants to win a championship at Duke before he would ever consider anything. He wants to continue the legacy. That's right. He didn't win this year. Michigan did. That's right. And from what I understand, after they couldn't get those championship-level coaches, they came back to him and said, are you sure you don't want to coach Cooper Flagg? And he said, no, I'm sure I want to win a championship at Duke. So I think they tried multiple times to get him. And so after striking out on that, I think it just made it more lucrative that the offer that came to Dusty is my understanding.

35:24Rich Eisen:Okay, which is why he's no longer on the bench at my offer.

35:28Brian Windhorst:I think a lot of things fell into place. To go to coach Cooper Flagg, to draft one of his players, to get that pay package. to work in Dallas. That's never going to come along again either.

35:42Rich Eisen:No matter how many banners you're going to hang in Chrysler.

35:44Brian Windhorst:And if he fails at Dallas, let's hope he doesn't, but if he fails, he can always go back.

35:51Rich Eisen:I mean, it's kind of a no-brainer. Well, I mean, that's why I don't blame him. I don't. Because he's going to have an off-season, you know? He doesn't have to re-recruit Cooper Flagg every year.

36:02Brian Windhorst:Exactly.

36:03Rich Eisen:You know, I mean, it's crazy. Thank you for doing this. Thank you. I know you're a busy man. your phone's blowing up. You got a lot going on. I send you back to downtown Los Angeles. Yes. Thank you very much.

36:13Brian Windhorst:Always happy to come out here.

36:14Rich Eisen:Hey man, I love your hoop collective. I love everything that you do. Appreciate it. Enjoy your summer. Thank you. That's Brian Wynhorst right here on The Rich Eisen Show. We're back with your phone calls and so much more in a moment.

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38:16Rich Eisen:Hey, Rich. Thanks for taking my call. I really appreciate it. Thank you. What's going on? Hey, I just wanted to pay you a compliment, sir. I have thoroughly enjoyed your SportsCenter look back. Oh, thanks. You know, as somebody that watched SportsCenter from the very beginning, I really enjoyed the look back and all the people you've talked to so far. Thank you. Great show. Well done, sir. Really appreciate it. I appreciate you saying that. And, again, Mike Hoskins, who is the coordinating producer of this program right now, and he's in our control room, He is the highly talented, spectacular individual in whose trust I placed this show for his producing and editing acumen.

39:01Rich Eisen:And the ESPN archivists, those who are in charge of the footage from back in the day, have been spectacular. We're constantly pinging them to find out, do you have this, do you have that? And I appreciate that, Brett. It's a team effort, but it's a labor of love for me. And what it's turned into as well, Brett, is it's kind of like a scrapbook for all of us just to remember what it was like for us to host it and to live it. But also for folks like you, Brett, to remember where you were in your life, where you were living, what you were doing at the time when you were watching the show. That's the idea, the connection.

39:42Rich Eisen:Well, I was in high school at the time, and I remember getting up every morning at 6 o 'clock so I could watch SportsCenter before I went to school. And then I stayed up late at night to watch the late-night segments as well. And I, like I said, thoroughly enjoyed the walk down memory lane and can't wait to see who you're going to have on the next – I've got two more segments to watch, and then I can't wait until you do another season, another segment of it. Yeah. It's great. I really love it. We're finishing season one this Friday. Craig Kilbourne's the big finale. um dan patrick launched it um back earlier this month uh chris berman mike greenberg linda cone who by the way i had no idea when we were yeah hosting it was about to announce her retirement crazy from sports center she was on uh on the set in bristol on friday night um and then the chris fowler episode thanks for the call brett and thank you for the kudos on behalf of mike and the rest of the crew presented by gusto um had no idea that linda was retiring timing was amazing um and then the fowler episode he one of my favorite comments that i saw because i do read these comments um well because because again uh you shouldn't yeah they're funny the phrase i like to say is if it's positive it's feedback if it's negative we call it engagement um so i'm reading the feedback rich and one said that i you know i was you know i'm 30 years i was born in 1986 i had no idea chris fowler was on sports center wow because he did it from 90 from like yeah yeah 89 through 90 kind of the early days of the hey yeah yeah so and then he took over college game day and and that's what i like to do with this show as well it we basically turned it into this was college game day for about 10 minutes talking about the first time he did it uh first time he hosted it was when um bob carpenter you remember the uh he was on espn he did a lot of baseball for them which he's done i believe for the nationals for many years um he was the host and his his wife was going into labor so chris did it for the first time with bino cook was giving him crap he told that story um and then the first time that they they did college game day on the road in front of an audience was Notre Dame versus Florida State one versus two and they did it inside that inside a building in a hall of fame on campus and then he talked about doing it outside in Nebraska for the first time he looked over his shoulder and had a holdy ass moment where everybody showed up and then coaches realized the power of bringing game day to their campus to show off the fandom the campus the program a lot of coaches were like really we're gonna have this show on campus and it's gonna be a disruption of our schedule you want me to show up there now like the before a game you want some of our players to sit down really um and he said frank beamer was the first coach to utilize game day as a commercial for the program where they had a whole bunch of fans inside their stadium setting a new record and then off they go and now you see you know with everybody does now you see with reese hosting it and roll now you know herb street pat uh desmond and saban now you see the coaches show up before the game and it's you take it for granted they love it yeah yeah yeah so it's just great memory Lane stuff and check it out.

43:20Rich Eisen:It's available on Disney Plus, the ESPN app, the Rich Eisen Show YouTube channel. If you want to listen to it, you can listen to it as a podcast, but you're kind of missing all the visual bells and whistles that Hoskins is putting in there. It's a labor of love for all of us here. So I appreciate the call, Brett in Kentucky. Allowing myself to talk about myself. Which is why I do this show kind of. Allow myself to introduce myself. So you know I was in the Boston area. I heard that. We didn't know. Kids dropped off at camp. You know, Zan's in a summer college in the area. So we spent some time there, just in time for the Yankees to show up and get swept by your Red Sox in four games.

44:01Brian Windhorst:Oh, is that what happened? I missed it.

44:02Rich Eisen:It did. I didn't see any of these games. It did. So put up the standings with the Red Sox gaining four games on the Yankees. You're now within nine in the loss column. the Metropolitan still bringing up the rear and have since fired, wait a minute, hold on a minute let me get this right they departed their coach departed speaking of Boston, the departed it's Carlos Mendoza the departure, they announced the departure it's like an airline it's like a plane taking off at LaGuardia there goes the Mendoza departure flying over the stadium what's the number on that departure where what's the destination three six four nine the departure announcing the departure it's not that funny mike of carlos mendoza that was the nets and as if that's not absurd enough um one of the most professional jobs i've seen uh is steve gelbs the uh reporter for the mets on their uh sports net new york um he's delivering a report on what happened with the mets and the roster being a problem it's like read the room here well and then mr matt shows up behind him and is dancing behind him as he's delivering this to camera um and uh this picture what is more absurd this still does not do it justice you have to watch the my man is back there just full on like oh and this has no like has no clue like the cameraman's done like hey dude chill can the individual inside the baseball head not hear oh no what steve is delivering The most sober information possible.

45:40Rich Eisen:Look, Carlos Mendoza fired his Mets manager is the lower Chiron. That's the banner at the bottom of the screen here. Give me the sheet! Really? Everybody's just, I'm done with everybody. By the way, having been in the Mets, everybody, you can hear. You've been in Mr. Met? I wasn't Mr. Met, I was Mr. Kitty Cat for my friend's DJ company back in the 80s. Full disclosure. By the way, you're on the Rich Isaac Show. You can hear in the, you have ears. Okay. You might not be able to see well, but you definitely can. Well, he certainly wasn't hearing. But Steve Gelbs was delivering that information. I knew when I watched this, I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to have to hear about this.

46:25Rich Eisen:Oh, yes. Here we are. I'm hearing about. Oh, yes. You are having to hear. I tried to scrub it off the internet, to be honest. Hey, man. At least Mr. Met wasn't flipping the middle finger this time. Oh, yeah. All right. And you thought that was the lowest Mr. Met moment. Yeah, like this is all he's got. He only has four fingers. But what's the middle? Which one's the middle one? Yeah. There's only one finger being held up, and it wasn't because the Mets were number one. It's kind of interesting this happens in a Mets town, as Soto called it. It's New York. Anything can happen. You saw the parade.

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ESPN’s Brian Windhorst and Rich break down the biggest stories in the NBA offseason including what Draymond Green becoming a free agent means for the Golden State Warriors’ possible pursuit of LeBron James and Anthony Davis, what the Boston Celtics are looking to get in a trade of Jaylen Brown, if the Clippers are more likely to extend or trade Kawhi Leonard, the Minnesota Timberwolves pairing Anthony Edwards with LaMelo Ball, how long it will take for the Miami Heat to become legit NBA title contenders after trading for Giannis Antetokoumpo, the New York Knicks’ chances to repeat next season, says what advice he has for the San Antonio Spurs in the wake of their NBA Finals meltdowns, and why Dusty May ditched Michigan for the Dallas Mavericks despite winning a national championship with the Wolverines last season.

Yankees fan Rich and Red Sox fan Brockman react to Boston’s 4-game sweep of New York, and TJ weighs in on his Mets firing manager Carlos Mendoza.
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