Hour 2: Steelers’ Post-Tomlin Era, plus Good Morning Football’s Kyle Brandt

14 Jan 2026 · 47 min · 20 chapters

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In short

Steelers’ “post-Tomlin era” after Mike Tomlin’s 19-season tenure ends; what Art Rooney II said at a press conference; coaching search expectations; plus Rich Eisen’s “power ranking” of compelling Super Bowl 60 matchups and Kyle Brandt’s Bears-focused playoff take.

Guest backgrounds

Kyle Brandt is co-host of Good Morning Football (NFL Network). Jerry Dulac is Steelers Radio Network host and long-time Steelers beat reporter. Adam Ray is a comedian and diehard Seahawks fan (appears later in the episode). (Main guest in this hour: Brandt.)

Key claims

Tomlin’s decision surprised many; Rooney II described a job opening and implied Tomlin won’t coach soon. Steelers fans question Tomlin’s “coaching tree.” Brandt argues Ben Johnson’s Bears culture shift is working and praises Caleb Williams’ fourth-down heroics vs Packers.

Notable examples

Tomlin’s 19 years without a losing record; Steelers playoff struggles recently (no wins in Pittsburgh’s last stretch). Brandt compares Caleb’s improbable throws to Mahomes’ “fourth and improbable” vs Packers; cites DJ Moore’s “F the Packers” postgame quote. Super Bowl matchup examples include 49ers-Texans, Rams-Bills, Bears-Patriots, and Niners-Bills as Brandt/Eisen’s top narrative.

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Preview of Hour 2

1:12 to 2:19

Rich Eisen previews the guests and topics for the second hour.

“I certainly can't seek comfort in the longevity of my career.”

Mike Tomlin's Departure from Steelers

2:19 to 3:43

Discussion about Mike Tomlin's career and recent press conference.

“The Steelers have had soon to be four head coaches since the moon landing.”

Reflections on Mike Tomlin's Tenure

3:43 to 4:47

Analyzing Tomlin's long career and performance with the Steelers.

“And, you know, I will say that I wasn't shocked, but I wasn't expecting that conversation yesterday either.”

Future of Steelers Coaching

4:47 to 5:55

Speculation about the next head coach and the future direction of the team.

“Somebody tenured 19 years in the National Football League, not a single time that he had a losing record in those 19 years.”

Mike Tomlin's Future and Speculations

5:55 to 7:17

Discussion on Tomlin's potential next steps and coaching future.

“And so if something like that comes up, we'll deal with it when it comes up.”

Steelers' Coaching Candidates

7:17 to 8:14

Exploring potential candidates for the Steelers' head coaching position.

“He also said he wasn't thinking about it, and clearly he had to have been thinking about it, where it's just like I'm walking off the field in Pittsburgh and I'm done here.”

Historical Context of Steelers Coaching

8:14 to 10:10

Looking at the history of Steelers coaches and their backgrounds.

“that have been saying, we need to move on from Tomlin.”

Aaron Rodgers and Steelers Future

10:10 to 11:27

Discussion on Aaron Rodgers' future in relation to the Steelers’ changes.

“Well, Cowher is a Pittsburgh guy, and again, that's why I mentioned Signetti.”

Young Talent and Coaching Decisions

11:27 to 12:00

Discussion of potential young quarterback options for the Steelers.

“you're about to get a big, fat, heavy dose of new.”

Power Rankings of NFL Teams

12:00 to 12:40

Rich Eisen presents his power rankings of remaining NFL playoff teams.

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Compelling Super Bowl Matchups

12:40 to 14:02

Rich Eisen ranks potential Super Bowl matchups based on various criteria.

“I have power ranked the possible Super Bowl matchups in terms of the most compelling Super Bowl matchups.”

Analyzing Potential Super Bowl Matchups

14:02 to 23:36

Explore intriguing potential Super Bowl matchups and their narratives.

“I'm sure Sean McVay is raising his hand.”

Kyle Brandt's Perspective on the Bears

26:28 to 28:00

Kyle shares his feelings about the Bears' current season and quarterback prospects.

“Well, Rich, I remember coming on your program in 2024 that season, and I was there in studio with you.”

Caleb Williams and Bears' Playoff Hopes

28:00 to 29:27

Discussion on Caleb Williams' performance and Bears fans' emotional scars.

“caleb williams is doing it yeah 100 for the bears in a playoff game when they have to have it against the green bay packers in front of the whole country to see it's got to be out of body for you.”

Ben Johnson's Impact on the Bears

29:27 to 31:19

Analysis of Ben Johnson's coaching style and his influence on the Bears.

“roku channel right here on the rich eisen show all right brother uh yeah you you you give me the two cents on Ben Johnson and how he's handling his business pregame, postgame, during game, handshakes.”

The Rivalry Between Bears and Packers

31:19 to 34:14

Exploration of the intense rivalry between the Bears and Packers, including cultural implications.

“Giving out free wiener circle dogs, taking them.”

Josh Allen's Path to the Super Bowl

34:14 to 37:58

Insights on Josh Allen's chances and challenges in the current season.

“who's watching his actual brother get dissed, is there a drive by?”

Steelers' Coaching Future Post-Tomlin

37:58 to 40:18

Speculation about the next head coach for the Steelers after Tomlin.

“You know, I was mentioning him for the Raiders position potentially because obviously the Raiders can draft his current quarterback gunning for Miami in Mendoza.”

Discussion on Viral App 'Are You Alive?'

42:43 to 46:10

Exploration of a viral app in China that confirms user safety.

“Hiring for your small business can feel like a full-time job, people.”

Reflection on Shark Tank Pitch

46:10 to 47:14

Discussion on the past pitch to Kevin O'Leary and its implications.

“has launched its free, but it has made its way now into the paid category, 8 won, which is equivalent to $1.15.”
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1:17I certainly can't seek comfort in the longevity of my career. This is the Rich Eisen Show.

1:22Rich Eisen:You know how I feel about Mike Tomlin. I understand why it is ending. The Rich Eisen Show. Earlier on the show. Pro Football Hall of Famer, Kurt Warner. Coming up, co-host of Good Morning Football, Kyle Brandt. Steelers Radio Network host, Jerry Dulac. Comedian, Adam Ray. And now, it's Rich Eisen. Hour number two of the Rich Eisen Show is on the air. Our friend Kyle Brandt of Good Morning Football is going to join us in about 20 minutes time. Jerry Dulac, who has been covering the Pittsburgh Steelers forever and a day. He was at the press conference that was just concluded with Art Rooney II. He's going to join us top of hour number three to give us his thoughts on that.

2:04Rich Eisen:And then the very funny and talented and delightful Adam Ray, diehard Seahawks fan. He's making his way to our studio. We'll have a good time previewing that game of divisional playoff weekend with a diehard Seahawks fan. 844-204-RICH is the number to dial here on the program. um so aren't rooney the second just finished up a press conference talking about a job opening in pittsburgh pennsylvania i just said those words they're accurate wow wow it's crazy someone someone was talking about this whoever they hire will be the fourth uh steelers head coach since the moon landing since 1969 the raiders are currently paying four head coaches Yeah, they'll be on their sixth head coach since 2021.

2:51Rich Eisen:The Steelers have had soon to be four head coaches since the moon landing. That's correct. It's insane. Yeah, we didn't stutter. These are all facts that we just mentioned. Wild. And it is. It just feels weird. You said, what's the number of days that Mike Tomlin was the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers? You had it down. You've now had it. 6 ,900. Plus. Plus. Yeah. Yeah. 6 ,939 days. That's insane. And so for Art Rooney II to have a press conference and say, yeah, we've got a job opening around here and this is the way it all went down. It just feels weird. And let's walk you through what he had to say again in an hour.

3:35Rich Eisen:Jerry Dulac, who's been covering the Steelers for decades, will join us with his two cents and what he knows about some of the behind the scenes. But this is the way the man in charge of the Pittsburgh Steelers described his reaction to what stunned all of us, that Mike Tomlin decided his time there was over after 19 seasons. Well, it was his decision. And, you know, I will say that I wasn't shocked, but I wasn't expecting that conversation yesterday either. so you know there were you know when you get to this stage of a career obviously he even mentioned it himself that he was nearer to the end than the beginning and so you know you could see that coming and so as I said I can't say that I was shocked.

4:28I was certainly willing to you know take another run at it next year with Mike and and you know that's what I was expecting to talk about yesterday, but obviously went in a different direction.

4:41Rich Eisen:I'm wondering if he's referring to Tomlin saying closer to the end than the beginning. Was he saying his Pittsburgh tenure? Because he's a 53-year-old guy. 53 years. Somebody tenured 19 years in the National Football League, not a single time that he had a losing record in those 19 years. And in terms of what he did over the last several years, I understand no Pittsburgh Steeler playoff wins, five of them actually in a row of double digits. that's tied for his first team in the NFL to have five playoff losses in a row of double digits.

5:16Rich Eisen:But Big Ben towards the end of his career, Kenny Pickett, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, you could make the argument the best quarterback he's had over the last few years was the guy he just had. Yeah, couldn't get the quarterback right. I mean, look, Bill Cowher retired, left Pittsburgh at 49 and never returned. I just don't see that man. Again, it's just tough for me to see Tomlin sitting on a television studio set. Part of the outside noise that he's been tuning out for 19 years. Let me tell you my opinion on this coach. Let me tell you my opinion on that player. I just don't know. but he could probably pick and choose whatever the heck he wants to do in the media front if that's the what the way he wants to to handle it and uh it does appear that he will not be coaching in the upcoming year because uh that was the impression art rooney ii was left with you know mike indicated that he did not anticipate coaching uh at least you know in the near future i think he wants to spend time with his family and do some of the kinds of things he hasn't been able to do for the last many, many years.

6:28And so if something like that comes up, we'll deal with it when it comes up. But right now, that doesn't seem to be on his radar.

6:38Rich Eisen:Two years until a team can hire him without having to reach out to that man who just spoke and say, what do you want from Mike Tomlin's services? Again, we spoke to him one week ago today, right? Yep. One week ago today. Did that sound like a guy that was closer to the end in the beginning? Did not. Did that sound like a guy that was uninterested? He was saying he loves the challenge every week. You were the first person he had talked to that day. That's what he said, because he was in the film room. Not first media person. No, first actual person. First actual human being. Yeah, first human being.

7:13You know, so, but then again, I have no idea.

7:17Rich Eisen:He also said he wasn't thinking about it, and clearly he had to have been thinking about it, where it's just like I'm walking off the field in Pittsburgh and I'm done here. And as a matter of fact, I know I'm done here to the point where, sure, I might sleep on it, but the next day I'm going to meet with my players and I'm going to tell Art Rooney II before all that that we're done.

7:41Rich Eisen:In terms of who's next, this is something that I'm sure a lot of Steelers fans who are pleased that there's been a page turned from Mike Tomlin. They're going to hang their hats or their terrible towels on this one. You know, right now, I don't think that anybody on our staff is a candidate, maybe a candidate to stay on the staff, you know, depending on what the new head coach wants to do, but probably not as a head coach. That, again, is what so many Steelers fans that have been saying, we need to move on from Tomlin. I mean, because I've heard from y 'all, okay? I've heard from, honestly, I've received your messages.

8:25Rich Eisen:I've received your emails. I've received your messages through radio hosts in Western Pennsylvania that reach out to me saying, you've got to come on and explain to our fans why you like Tomlin so much, why you think you should say that. Trust me, I've heard it all. And the one that does jump out that makes you go, hmm, is who, where's his coaching tree? right? Who are the guys who have come? Like, you just take a look at the Rams, the number of people that Sean McVay has lost in coaching cycles from his staff. You know, you know, his, his current OC slash passing coordinator and his current DC are on conversations this past week.

9:11Rich Eisen:So I hear you. I've heard all of that. And that is something that Steelers fans are like going to hang their hat on if they are happy that Tomlin's gone. And I'm still, at the end of the day, stunned about it and eager to see who's coming in next. And I'm not going to sit here and say they have no chance to be as successful as Tomlin. I think they have a great chance to have the longevity as Tomlin because of who's in charge there. And I do think it is a jewel of a job to get, for sure. But fans who are basically saying the good thing that Tomlin's gone will be like, he doesn't even have a successor on his staff.

9:55Rich Eisen:And Arthur Smith is going out for interviews for other head coaching jobs. Other teams are asking for him, but Art Rooney II clearly is not. But wasn't Chuck Knoll, Bill Cowher, and Tomlin, they weren't on the staff. They were all outside guys, and they were all in their mid-30s. Well, Cowher is a Pittsburgh guy, and again, that's why I mentioned Signetti. Mike McCarthy took tolls from people in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, for many, many years. you want to go local you got that you want to go outside the system I mentioned again Marcus Freeman that's two college head coaches I don't know Jesse Minter is again another guy certainly if you're you think that the Ravens are interested in him maybe you want to pluck him

10:38Rich Eisen:these are just names I'm throwing out you want to go local or not I don't know but you're right they have gone out of the system before and they have not had a coaching search in 20 years so you know they're going to take their time.

10:52And, you know, John

10:53Rich Eisen:Harbaugh is currently in the Giants facility as we speak. In terms of Rodgers coming back, I mentioned the soundbite before, we might as well play it. Art Rooney II was asked about Rodgers' future. Look, Aaron came here to play for Mike, so I think it will most likely affect his decision. Certainly if they hire McCarthy, right?

11:19Rich Eisen:So it looks like, again, the Pittsburgh Steelers have a new head coach, a new quarterback, a new way of looking at things, a new way of doing things. And again, Steelers fans who have been chafing at the same old thing, you're about to get a big, fat, heavy dose of new. New set of eyes, new sensibility, new everything. Including a quarterback. I'm telling you, man. Malik Willis. you want to go young you want to go new you want to go see what we got right here that would be a guy i would look at he is set up to get paid i know you bet in two months 844-204-RICH is the number to dial take your phone calls it's a wednesday so you know what i normally do on a wednesday i power rank power but i mean there's eight teams left and 10 slot i mean what am i gonna do the power rankings of who are the best teams in the national football league that's yeah those days are over i'm turning pages until next year i'm turning a page we're it's all about page turning i'm you know what i mean i'm just saying this my power rankings and the way i traditionally do my power rankings we're going our separate ways right now wow oh you know what i mean journey dang that's what i'm saying i'm not firing it right i'm not stepping down from it i'm just saying we're mutually parting ways we agree yeah okay so what i have here with eight teams left in the National Football League playoffs to chase the Lombardi trophy.

12:48Rich Eisen:I have power ranked the possible Super Bowl matchups in terms of the most compelling Super Bowl matchups. Hit it.

13:03This is my rankings. There are many like it, but this one is mine. Power ranking.

13:10Rich Eisen:All right. I am power ranking the possible Super Bowl matchups. What do we got? As you know, I go storylines. I go history. I go interest. I go eyeballs. I go narratives. No ticket prices. That's correct. I leave out the ticket prices. Ratings? 35-50? Number 10 on the list is 49ers against the Texans. Texans v. 49ers. We mentioned this to D 'Amico Ryans when he joined this program just a couple weeks ago. Have you begun to even think about where the Super Bowl is being played? D 'Amico Ryans, wouldn't that be wild, D 'Amico Ryans, if you took the Texans to the spot where you began your coaching career on the staff of the San Francisco 49ers?

13:53Rich Eisen:And he said, Rich, you're going to start to make me cry here, essentially. I almost went full Roy Firestone on him. But that would be pretty cool. Texans versus 49ers D 'Amico Ryans versus the guy in Robert Sala who is now the defensive coordinator there twice over with D 'Amico Ryans having left to go coach the Houston Texans it would be pretty cool to see that match up number 9 49ers versus the Denver Broncos in this day and age of head coaches who also call the plays Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan are top five, if not top of the list. I'm sure Sean McVay is raising his hand. You know, you got Ben Johnson doing it now, just to name others.

14:44Rich Eisen:But Sean Payton and Kyle Shanahan on the same field, dialing up plays against the other team's defenses. And then, of course, you know, Elway's franchise against Montana and Young's franchise, just two franchises that have been in the Super Bowls quite often. A rematch of the largest Super Bowl blowout. That's another one that I don't know if I call that a narrative, but number eight on the list. How about Rams and Broncos? How about Sean Payton on the sideline, Sean McVay on the other sideline? Two other top-notch play callers, as I mentioned. But the 2018 NFC Championship game, I think, would be mentioned quite a bit because we all know Sean Payton was on the Saints' sideline.

15:31Rich Eisen:in that NFC Championship game. The pass interference call that wasn't, we all know, still sticks in the craw of everybody in the Bayou, and also, I'm sure, Sean Payton as well. Certainly since the Rams went on to go to that Super Bowl and score only three points, rather than Drew Brees going with the Saints to take on Tom Brady and the Patriots, that's something that I think Sean Payton would be thinking about heading to the sideline of Super Bowl 60 of Rams versus Broncos. Number seven on my power rankings of possible Super Bowl matchups. Seahawks and Patriots. We all know obviously about the Malcolm Butler moment.

16:12Rich Eisen:We'll be seeing that quite a bit. Mike McDonald will be like, what are we talking about? You know, I wasn't on the sideline. Pretty much everybody on Seattle will be like, who cares? What are we talking about? And, you know, I mean, bring that Up to Vrabel, too. Vrabel would be like, why are we even talking about this? Because we talk about rematches and Super Bowls and things of that nature. But Sam Darnold going against the Patriots. Now, that's something that would be in terms of remembering the past. Seeing ghosts. That's the moment. Sam Darnold, the Jet, winning his first Super Bowl against the Patriots would really, really stick in the craw of many, many, many in New York, New Jersey, and surrounding New York Jet areas.

17:01Rich Eisen:That would be wild. Sam Darnold wins the Super Bowl by beating the Patriots. Come on! Couldn't pull that out of your butt fumble if you dried. Six on my power rankings of most compelling Super Bowl matchups, Bears and Patriots. There you go. Okay, listen. Another rematch. How about this? In Super Bowl 60, you get a Super Bowl 20 rematch. You could actually divide the number of Super Bowls and come up with a nice number, right? Three. Shuffle. Of course, we all remember the fact that William the Refrigerator Perry was given the ball on the goal line, not Walter Payton. That's kind of, I can't still believe it to this point in time.

17:45Rich Eisen:But it would also be the matchup of Caleb Williams versus Drake May, the first overall pick of the 2024 draft, going against the third overall pick of the 2024 draft to win the 2025 season. I asked NFL research, what is the record for a Super Bowl matchup between two of the highest drafted quarterbacks from the same draft class? Have we ever seen that before? And I got back an answer. Thank you, Ben McWilliams. There's only been one other Super Bowl in which two quarterbacks from the same draft class played against each other, period. And that's Super Bowl 18, when Jim Plunkett took on Joey T, Joe Theismann.

18:32Rich Eisen:Plunkett, the first overall pick of the 1971 draft. Joe Theismann, the 99th pick of the 1971 draft. By the way, that was a fourth round pick, number 99 overall back in the day. that's the only other time this would set a record that would only be beaten if a number one overall pick faces a number two overall pick from the same draft in the Super Bowl we've never seen it before we may never see anything like it again if it happens I like that that's number six on my list number five on my list Seahawks versus Broncos obviously a Super Bowl 48 rematch something Seahawks fans would love to forget pardon me Denver Broncos fans would love to forget Seattle fans will never forget it.

19:14Rich Eisen:We also know back in the day, we talked about it prior to Super Bowl XLVIII, the Seahawks spent 25 years in the AFC West. The fact that this is a Super Bowl matchup. Also, would it be the lowest scoring Super Bowl maybe in the history of the Super Bowl? Would these two defenses go in against each other? What is the lowest? The Patriots-Rams was 13-3. I mean, it would be a defensive a defense palooza in this Super Bowl. And then let's go the opposite end number four on the list rams bills let's oh have i mentioned the bills i thought that would be number one no no no no rams bills uh week if week 14 of last season gets played in super bowl 60 we would not stop talking about it like this catch from puka nakua would go up there with one of the greatest catches in the history of the super bowl 902 yards of combined offense happened in the 44-42 win of the Rams over the Bills last year in week 14.

20:14Rich Eisen:Josh Allen became the first player in NFL history with three touchdown passes and three touchdowns runs in the same game. He had 342 yards passing 82 on the ground. Stafford 320 in the air, two touchdowns, one to Nakua, who also, by the way, had his first career rushing touchdown in that game. Oh, and by the way, it was 902 combined yards between both teams with no turnovers and no sacks allowed in that game. Could you imagine if that gets played in Super Bowl 60? Number three on the list, Rams-Patriots. If this happens, guys, it would tie Steelers versus Cowboys for the most Super Bowl matchups between the same teams ever with three.

20:52Rich Eisen:Super Bowls 10, 13, and 30 for Steelers-Cowboys. Super Bowls 36, 53, and 60 for Rams and Patriots. As we all know, the first time it happened, Tom Brady sparked a dynasty. The second time it happened, Tom Brady got another win, his final one as a Patriot in the Super Bowl. And also, Julian Edelman won the MVP of that Super Bowl, Jules. Rams-Patriots would be quite something. And also a matchup of, at the time, we would know who's the MVP, who finished second, who could have the last laugh, Who could say I should have been one? Nice. Not you. Number two on the list is Bears and Bills. Do you imagine if this is Super Bowl 60, Bears and Bills?

21:39Rich Eisen:One, as you know, the Bears have only won once since 1985. They haven't been back in 19 years versus never won it before. Back at it for the first time since the 90s. Caleb versus Josh Allen would be quite compelling as well. Well, my number one possible Super Bowl matchup in terms of my power rankings is Niners and Bills. One team last won it in 94 have been back. Another team, as we know, has not been back since the early 90s and have never won it. And the only reason why I choose this one is because the Niners can win it in their own building. and against a Bills team that is moving to another new building, trying to win it for the first time and the last time of their old building.

22:29Rich Eisen:And Josh Allen grew up in Fireball, California, Northern California, against the team probably of his youth that he had been rooting for. That's number one. You have one more. I did not notice. And I'll just give you one last one, too. 49ers and Patriots because we all know Kyle Shanahan got the job for the San Francisco 49ers after losing with Atlanta up 28-3 for him to be able to go and win his first one against the team that sent him to become a head coach anyway after that 28-3 comeback win and could you imagine if Shanahan leads this game by a large margin at home what would happen i can i can't imagine what talk about compelling narratives and storylines pj i know what would happen those are my power rankings for possible super bowl 60 matchups right here on the rich eisen show take a break kyle brant of good morning football we say hello to him when we come back

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26:05Rich Eisen:I'm sure it was in his writer. Kyle Brent here on the Rich Eisen show from Good Morning Football and, of course, fandom of the Chicago Bears. You have the floor, sir, on what you're feeling inside you. I know you've been saying it on NFL Network and the Roku channel that do different spots to watch Good Morning Football's iterations, plural. What are you thinking? What are you feeling right now? Well, Rich, I remember coming on your program in 2024 that season, and I was there in studio with you. And it's funny, you asked me what I'm feeling because 2024, the bears had just lost to the Packers on a last second blocked field goal.

26:43And I remember sitting in that chair next to you saying, they're turning me into a serial killer. I don't feel anything. I don't feel anger. I don't feel disappointment. They're making me Dexter. I have no feelings. And then in the fourth quarter of the other night, it was Costner. Is this heaven? It's Iowa. Is this heaven? It's the wildcard round. And I don't care. It actually felt like a Super Bowl. Real feelings, real emotions. And that's just the game, Rich, before you even get into the aftermath with Ben Johnson doing his thing it's a really crazy fun time to have any connection to the bears well again you doing what

27:24Rich Eisen:you do for a living um yeah means you have talked about patrick mahomes more than most and over the years and having a uh fandom for a team that is in constant search for the quarterback and for the difference making quarterback and i'm wondering what does it feel like to see a guy in a chicago bears uniform make a throw like the one that williams made on fourth and eight that if mahomes did it the nfl media would have demanded a national holiday happen on the spot that caleb williams is doing it yeah 100 for the bears in a playoff game when they have to have it against the green bay packers in front of the whole country to see it's got to be out of body for you.

28:17It is out of body. And the Mahomes comparison is apt because I remember a huge part of the Mahomes ascension and legend was him hitting Tyreek Hill on a fourth and improbable in a must-win game. And when he hit that pass to Hill, you're like, he's unbeatable. He's supposed to lose. And that was the game against the Packers. And that's the Caleb lore now is that there were six or seven moments in that game where you say, well, this one's over. just changed the channel. This was the most famous one, the four down, but there's 50 other ones that they just kind of fought through. And it's surreal.

28:52It's strange. I think there's Bears fans. And you would understand this risk with your jets roots is that there's just so much scar tissue. They can't get over it. Even in the fourth quarter, when they're starting to come back, they still gravitate towards the negative and something's going to go wrong and something's going to happen and it's just it it really feels like it's some work of magic that it isn't spoke dj moore in the same spot in the same end zone the last time he beat the packers is making the same catch and it's just so much scar tissue that's being ripped open but it's a wonderful wonderful pain and it's really special kyle brandt good morning football nfl network

29:31Rich Eisen:roku channel right here on the rich eisen show all right brother uh yeah you you you give me the two cents on Ben Johnson and how he's handling his business pregame, postgame, during game, handshakes. What do you got? Ben Johnson, who took over a team that lost 10 games last year that fired their coach because he ran out of timeouts. He ran out of time in a game when he had timeouts. Ben Johnson has beaten the Packers twice now. This has transcended sports, Rich. This has become societal. This has become, what do I tell my kids? We're talking about profanity and decency and sportsmanship here's what i will tell you last the topic of class we're gonna we're gonna litigate class you know who was really really classy guy and i'm not being snarky was really a classy guy was maddie refluce all class all the all dignified his teams were terrible terrible defense was terrible the officer it was like the coach was class the team was ass and so if you want a classy coach go ahead there's many guys you could hire but if you're also a bears fan who was like so many of them married to the past and gravitating to the 80s do you remember mike dicka mike dicka would scream at reporters he would throw the middle finger on the field he once beat his mentor tom landry 44 to nothing like mike dicka was not like some sort of librarian he's kind of back and i really really like the rivalry i like the hatred i also liked it for the packers when their franchise quarterback stared at ticket holding bears fans and said I bleep and old you my entire life.

31:05I loved that. And I love that Matt, that Ben Johnson is doing the handshake that he's saying bleep the Packers because it's working and he can do whatever the hell he wants. I'm not worried about my kids. I'll handle my kids. He can handle the bears. He's handling them beautifully.

31:19Rich Eisen:Yeah. Giving out free wiener circle dogs, taking them. That's the way I look at it is that he's, he may be, you know, not your cup of tea, but if he's on your side, you're you're damn straight you're you're you're sipping all the tea and you're drinking all the kool-aid you possibly can certainly and he's basically talking to you he's talking to you he's talking to chicagoland he's talking bears around the world when he's saying that um even if it does he does come across like a lunatic you know what i mean yeah i i don't think he cares i don't think you care um and i think the bears are hosting the rams one step away from potentially if the Niners pull something off hosting them for an NFC championship game, if not maybe going to Seattle and going to the Super Bowl.

32:08Rich Eisen:It's real and it's spectacular. You know? It's all there. And you nailed it. And they are real and they are spectacular. And the fact that he is doing this to the players. Remember, when DJ Moore caught the game when he touched on an overtime against the Packers, he said in the post-game interview, F the Packers. Like, that's coming from his coach. And, like, we always culture change, culture change. That phrase is thrown around. No one even knows what it means. I think people think it means stenciling grit on the weight room wall. That's nonsense culture change. Ben Johnson said, I'm going to come in for an owner, George McCaskill, who's, let's be honest, kind of Flanders adjacent.

32:47He doesn't like to learn dirty words. He doesn't like that kind of stuff. And he came in here and said, here's our culture. Leap the Packers. Stencil that on a wall. I'm going to beat those guys. and it's working and he's done it. So not for everybody. It's R-rated. I don't know about you, Rich. Like, I don't really put a huge priority as a parent in my life about profanity. There are far greater evils in the world and on their phones that I'm worried about. So I'm not worried that the kids are going to grow up scarred because of Ben Johnson. I think the kids are going to be excited that the Bears beat the Packers.

33:19Rich Eisen:That said, Kyle Brandt, Sean McVay, Matt LaFleur's de facto brother, and Mike LaFleur, his actual brother, are coming to town with former Packer Devontae Adams and former Lion Matthew Stafford and a running back from Notre Dame and a running back from Michigan who will be like, what cold weather? You know what I mean? Like, this is it. This is happening, Kyle, on Sunday night. Rich, you'll remember that the Jerry Springer show used to originate from Chicago and there was something called the Springer Bell, where when someone would throw a chair or say God knows what, but they would ring that bell and Steve Wilkos would try to hold them.

33:59I'm head on a swivel after this game. Now bears win. What's Ben going to do if the Rams win? Is there not some that Sean McVay, who I think is the best coach in the NFL. Number one, who's he's been looking at his guy, Matt LaFleur get dissed. If it's Mikey LaFleur, who's watching his actual brother get dissed, is there a drive by? Is there a terse exchange? Is there a now what's up? Is there anything? Because McVay is wholesome and McVay is all class. I love McVay. McVay is a super competitive aggro SOB.

34:29Rich Eisen:You bet. And I think that there's also a new rooster in the hen house of the NFC, Ben Johnson. So, like, there's a game and then there's a pay-per-view and it's the Jerry Springer show back in Chicago. And I can't wait. No doubt about it. I know, again, by proxy, Josh Allen is your guy, too. And he it's kind of crazy. The fact that we're nationally saying best shot he's ever had at it because of who's not in the AFC. It's not Lamar, Burrow, and Mahomes left with him. It's Nix, May, and Stroud left with him. So that alone is going to give him that opportunity to go to the Super Bowl. But the Bills also on paper, although as you know, Kenny Mayne would always say the game's not played on paper.

35:18Rich Eisen:It's played inside TV sets. But on paper, Allen 100 percent has been an MVP of a team that is much better, has been much better, only to lose to Mahomes or Burrow this decade than the team he currently is taking into Denver right now. But they could they could make it. That's for sure. They could be in Santa Clara at the end of the day. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. And I look right now, Josh Allen is the best player. He's the closest thing we have to Michael Jordan. and on his team, he's got Scottie Pippen, he's James Cook. Scottie Pippen didn't really do squat against Jacksonville, so Jordan had to get 60.

35:55If Jordan scored 50 in that game, they would have lost. He had to get 60. And I would just encourage anybody who is really embracing the storyline that he doesn't have to go against Lamar and Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. Take a minute at work today. Go to the Bills depth chart and look at the wide receivers that he is starting a divisional round playoff game with and tell me that he has an easy path. the Bills lost Tyrell Shavers this week and you would have thought Montana lost Rice. Tyrell Shavers is the practice squad guy. They lost Dave Davis who the league chewed out and spit back at them.

36:28He's going to Denver with Khalil Shakir who is great. He is a B.J. Armstrong type. He's going with Keon Coleman who you don't know week to week if the Bills even want to play him it's really and he's going with Brandon Cooks who God bless Brandon Cooks Rich. He's on his seventh team. He joined the bills in week 13 that's the war chest that he's going the eagles just got knocked out with aj brown and devante smith at al that's who josh allen michael jordan's going to denver with tell

36:54Rich Eisen:tell me he has an easy path so is he the robert ory without the trophies is that who brian the cooks is on your you know what i mean i would think the robert ory big shot bob and yes he's right there right j tucker he's the pj tucker of the situation here just to mix metaphors I see him as maybe like a Rod Strickland, the Blazers point guard, just effective, dashing. You can put him any offense, it's there. What's that stat? It was in the NFL Network packet here. I think he's the fourth team. Here, let me get this stat for you. I have it. Oh, I love this. Here it is. First player in NFL history to have 50 or more scrimmage yards in a playoff game for four different franchises, Brandon Cooks, for the Patriots, Rams, Cowboys, and now Bills.

37:36Rich Eisen:Yeah. so i remember he was in the the the patriots eagles super bowl the nick foals one he got knocked out of the game he was playing for brady at the time he he's gonna be the josh johnson of wide receivers he's playing every team and it's just like we just pass him around and he's always good but this is not ideal for winning the super bowl he's your number two right now it's nuts before i let you go give me a stealer's next head coach boom i just gave you the crystal ball crystal ball it car next stealer's head coach tomlin hasn't been gone even 24 hours it was right around this time we were beginning to hear rumblings that he had he was all right so here's this is the dating profile you want nice someone who's young okay you want someone who is like kind of the tomlin square jaw like the the the alpha personality which due respect to mike mcdaniel is not going to be him um and then you want probably someone defensive i mean i listen i'm in love with signetti as much as everybody else is so come on it's like that's the kind of swing that I would love for Pittsburgh because you know the pressure rich they the Steelers cannot hire a coach and two years later say our bad let's get somebody oh this person needs to be working there in like 2045 to meet up their standard so it has to be someone who just seems like the natural and it's just I mean it's just look at a picture it's absolutely I mean if you could find Signetti in a 30 year old body right like that's what you're looking for but he's a This is a Pittsburgh guy who I think Steelers fans would go nuts for.

39:02Rich Eisen:Anybody would. You know, I was mentioning him for the Raiders position potentially because obviously the Raiders can draft his current quarterback gunning for Miami in Mendoza. I don't know, but you're right. Like a young sort of just, I mean, the thing is, common 19 years is leaving the Steelers as a 53-year-old man. so that's that's the sort of right right then you say cower left as a 47 year old guy chris you said he was 49 49 okay like that's that's the way things go for the stealers i think it was i think it was shefter who was pointing it out that you can't go back and look at the social media reactions when mike tomlin was hired because there was no social media so it would have to be everybody's myspace posts or something like that doesn't even make sense that's his legacy okay Okay, so I think the Canadian Mounties are out behind the cabin right now, Kyle.

39:58Rich Eisen:They're trying to take out the molasses runners, I think. Is that what it was? They were taking guns across the border in the Untouchables? I think that's what's happening right now. They're smuggling guns, and then I'm also going to go up and strange brew. I'm going to crack some beers. No, as a matter of fact, no, I'm sorry. It was the bookkeeper. The bookkeeper's outside. They're trying to get the bookkeeper, the Canadian Mounties, Kyle. So be careful, okay? in that cabin i got the syrup the mounties the bookkeeper rich and i'm also pantsless so it helps in here too thank you good night football kyle brant everybody ladies and gentlemen uh we'll chat soon brother i'll see you in san agarra you got oh yeah this week oh that's right you're coming out here i'll be there yeah i'll see you part of game day morning this weekend i can't wait that's great that's right by the way i don't know if you think if you saw the uh the graphic from our I guess NFL media department, PR department.

40:55Rich Eisen:Sure. You and Kyle Van Neuer in the corner. So I guess it's just the Kyle corner. We should have a Kyle corner this weekend. Yeah. Well, listen, I hope for the Niners sake, it's not Shanahan the weekend after that. Ladies and gentlemen, Kyle Brandt, everybody. That's called a walk off line. Thanks, guys. Thanks again. That's Kyle Brandt, everybody. Check out Good Morning Football every single day on NFL Network. And then after, switch over for more of that on the Roku channel, everybody. That was a great scene in The Untouchables, by the way. Oh, yes. And he's about to recreate, hopefully not.

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43:22Rich Eisen:The Terranian Sea? Not the Adriatic. Right, the Adriatic. All right, Fetty in Italy. What's up, Fetty? Yes, it is the Adriatic actually. Thank you, sir. I just found out this today. The app that Michael Dutufo pitched to Mr. Wonderful back then, it's viral, like it's real and it's viral in China. There's a BBC article. There's a CNN article. They have done it. Like, you have to check in every 48 hours, press a button to say that you are alive. And that's the name of the app. It's Are You Alive in Chinese, I think. It's crazy. See, I was ahead of my time. I know. I mean, I knew it. I just. And Mr.

44:05Wonderful. Yeah, he could suck it. Sorry. The headline of the BBC article is the viral Chinese app for young people living alone. But I'd have the jet and the yacht.

44:17Rich Eisen:Well, if only Mr. Wonderful would listen to your pitch and not eviscerally eviscerate you. Chris, before you say this, wouldn't it be terrible if you find out that Kevin O 'Leary was... I'm suing him. I'm suing him. By the way, I would love that. The name of the app is Are You Dead? Are You Dead. See? See, this is what... I knew I was ahead of my time. Yeah, Mikey, somebody hit us up on Twitter the other day. And, you know, they gave a link, but you can't click the link. And think about this. In China, you're talking about a lot of people. That's like, what did I say,$299 or$99? I mean, I never thought, I never would think that Mike Del Tufo was way ahead of his time.

44:56Rich Eisen:Thank you for the call, Fetty, in Italy with all that. A new bleak sounding app has taken China by storm named RUJet. Dead. The concept is simple. You need to check in with it every two days, clicking a large button to confirm that you're alive. because there's a lot of people in China, period, who are living alone. And a lot of folks are wondering, are they alive? And if not, it'll get in touch with your appointed emergency contact and inform them that you may be in trouble, which is the exact idea you pitched to Kevin O 'Leary of Shark Tank when he came in here in studio years ago. He absolutely eviscerated you, to use the word that he said.

45:32Rich Eisen:Presentation was piss poor. Okay. And you guys calmed him. Don't forget that part. I will admit, that presentation sucks. And he thought, you know, you should just call your mother. Exactly. Is what he said. You know, that your mom could be somewhere needing help. And now this is actually happening in China. In China, where there's obviously a lot of customers. I would be. So this app was, according to this BBC article, the app was launched in May and then really has blown up in the last few weeks. According to research. How much does it cost? Is it a free app? No, it's not free. Because he said you wanted to charge 99 cents.

46:06Rich Eisen:And he thought that that was exorbitant. No, no. According, the app has launched its free, but it has made its way now into the paid category, 8 won, which is equivalent to $1.15. I was right at that number, too. Cost of living has gone up. Little is known about the founders, but it's said there are three people who were born after 1995. By the way, see you guys, or I'm done. There he goes. Apparently in China, research has shown by 2030, 200 million people will be one-person households. you were on it Mike you were on it presentation sucked you missed out on it so did Kevin O 'Leary except he's still insanely rich and now in Marty Supreme you know he is he was at the Golden Globes did he have his like open collar something like that two watches yeah like he was Elliot Gould in Ocean's Eleven like what the hell is that look he does dress great he dresses for a crazy Fetty in Italy, a diehard fan of the show, pointing out Mike Del Tufo was right.

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Rich reacts to Steelers Owner Art Rooney’s press conference in the wake of Mike Tomlin resigning as Pittsburgh’s head coach, and power ranks the top ten Super Bowl LX matchups he wants to see happen.

‘Good Morning Football’ co-host Kyle Brandt and Rich discuss his beloved Chicago Bears’ chances to win a title this season with 2nd-year QB Caleb Williams and 1st-year head coach Ben Johnson, Josh Allen’s chances to lead the Buffalo Bills to the Super Bowl, and if Indiana’s Curt Cignetti would be good fit to be the Steelers next head coach.

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