Hour 2: What’s More Likely, Browns’ Looming Questions, plus NFL Insider Tom Pelissero

12:34Tom Pelissero:We've seen GM moves been made, I mean, at all different times, Rich. We see them made after the draft. We've seen them made in June, July. End of January, three, four weeks after the season ends is not common. But clearly the Vikings just felt like, based upon all those meetings they had, that there was not a way to move forward here. Kevin O 'Connell remains the head coach. He's one of the top coaches in the business. And they will, when they run this search, be looking for alignment, whether that is with Rob or somebody from the outside.

13:03Rich Eisen:It's tough to think anything but, Tom, that what's changed between the end of the season and now is the fact that Sam Darnold made the Super Bowl. Is that what's going down? Is it that simple?

13:19Tom Pelissero:Well, here's what I would say. Outcome-based analysis is always dangerous. There's no way to know when you are going through those decisions last spring that you're going to have the combination of Sam Darnold going to the Super Bowl and J.J. McCarthy suffering three or four different injuries and being an absolute roller coaster ride after Mississippi's entire rookie season because of a meniscus tear. They had a lot invested in J.J. McCarthy. They went into the offseason. They did make an offer to Sam Darnold. It was similar to the Seahawks offer in terms of being a one-year commitment, though it was not as much money as the Seahawks put on the table.

13:53Tom Pelissero:once it became clear that Darnold was going to take that opportunity, they pivoted to Daniel Jones. They had an almost identical offer to Daniel Jones than what he got with the Colts. But Daniel Jones also saw a clearer path for him to be the long-term quarterback in Indianapolis than he would have in Minnesota with J.J. McCarthy still there. So he opted to move to a different spot. The Vikings actually pulled the offer before Jones went there. And then, you know, they traded for Sam Howell. That didn't work out. They signed Carson Wentz. Frankly, Rich, they might have made the playoffs if Carson Wentz doesn't get hurt.

14:25Tom Pelissero:If he's not playing those last couple of games in absolute agony, you get one more win. That's how far out they missed the playoffs by a half a game. Maybe these things are a little bit different. But those are some of the calculations that go into the bigger picture. The Vikings are figuring out how to move forward here. I would say it's an oversimplification to say Sam Darnold just killed a guy today. But certainly his success, coupled with J.J. McCarthy, just not being able to be on track, you know, and part of the broader, you know, the strategies that they've employed here. You know, they signed a bunch of older players who were very expensive.

15:00Tom Pelissero:They've got a lot of cap things they got to sort through in the offseason. It just got to that point. There's no kind of untoward stuff here, Rich. There's not, you know, some secret story of why this happened right now. They just ownership met. They felt like this was not going to work moving forward here. And now, you know, they'll pursue somebody who they think is a better fit for the organization and for Kevin O 'Connell.

15:20Rich Eisen:Tom Pellicero from the Senior Bowl, which you can catch on NFL Network tomorrow right here on the Rich Eisen show. So the Cleveland Browns search is now over. And why did what do you what can you tell us about how Todd Monken wound up there, Tom?

15:38Tom Pelissero:Well, as we've documented, Rich, a very thorough search by the Cleveland Browns for their next head coach. So thorough, in fact, that after they got done interviewing Nate Sheilhouse on Sunday in Los Angeles for something like seven hours for the job, they flew back. It seemed at that point like maybe they were close to a decision. Well, they decided they needed more information. So they spent Monday on Zoom with Sheilhouse and Todd Monken extensively. Jim Schwartz was also part of that conversation. Ultimately, you know, they decided that Todd Monken was the guy. It always seemed like skewing toward offense was probably more likely, although certainly not a prerequisite in any regard.

16:18Tom Pelissero:With Monken, they get a guy who's been in the building. He was the offensive coordinator under Freddie Kitchens back in 2019, a forgettable year for the Browns, as some others have been as well. He was at Southern Miss as the head coach once before, so he has that experience. His record was not good there, but he did improve from being, I think, a one or two win team his first year to being like nine and five or something his final year. So you do have that track record. He has been around development of quarterbacks and good offenses, whether that's at the University of Georgia or with the Ravens.

16:48Tom Pelissero:I still, you know, I frankly was surprised that's where they ultimately landed, knowing in part what we reported soon after the hire, Rich, was that Jim Schwartz was going to lose his mind if he didn't get the head coaching job. And that's what happened. He had a meeting that morning as they were finalizing the hire on Mankin. He was told he was not getting the job. I've spoken to many people that have spoken to Schwartz and saw his exit. He was not happy. He was visibly upset. He said a few four letter words, as you would imagine. He cleaned out his office down to I think there might have been a can of soda left in the fridge, but that was about it.

17:25Tom Pelissero:He's got no intention of coming back to the Browns. There's still conversations to be had, though, because they've wanted to keep Jim Schwartz. They've intended to keep him. He is under contract. You know, they can tell him, hey, you're going to coach here. You're not going to coach any place else. But also, Jim Schwartz is almost 60 years old. He's been there. He's had success. You would think that they would come to the conclusion that, you know, a guy who's unhappy to be there, that may not be the path forward. But those are all pending further discussions here. I'd imagine they want him to talk to Todd Monken.

17:53Tom Pelissero:They want to talk to ownership again once things cool off. We'll see what direction that goes. but there are some teams out there, you know, whether that's the 49ers who are looking for a defensive coordinator right now, you know, any number of contenders, maybe even teams that don't have a vacancy right now. If Jim Schwartz became available, he would be of high interest.

18:11Rich Eisen:No doubt about it. The fact that the Raiders nor the Cardinals have a coach yet, does that mean they're waiting for somebody in the Super Bowl? And if so, are they waiting for the same guy, Tom?

18:23Tom Pelissero:Clint Kubiak is going to interview with the Raiders and the Cardinals tomorrow. The way that this works is you are allowed to interview coaches from the teams that are in the Super Bowl. If you did a virtual interview in that first week or the second week, depending on the rules, you're allowed to have an additional in-person session this week. But it's at the mercy of when the team gives you that time to do those interviews. So the Seahawks were game planning like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. They're practicing, you know, the last couple of days here. Saturday is the first time that he's had that opportunity.

18:54Tom Pelissero:And I don't believe that there's been any decisions made on Clint Kubiak's side or on the team's side about exactly what direction this is going to go. Usually when teams wait this long, Rich, we saw this with Kellen Moore last year with the Eagles. We saw it Arizona last time around with Jonathan Gannon. Sorry, my phone's going bananas here. It's been an interesting hour. So usually that would tell you they're waiting for someone. But there's several different scenarios here. It could be the Raiders where you've got Fernando Mendoza in all likelihood is the number one pick. Brock Bowers, Ashton Gentry.

19:27Tom Pelissero:There are pieces to work with, although there's a ton of work to be done across the roster. Max Crosby, what's his future? He wasn't happy at the end of the season. You've got to work through that. Arizona, you don't know who the quarterback is going to be. I would anticipate nothing's done, but it would seem the most likely outcome with Kyler Murray is you cut him. You pay him the$40 million you owe him. You don't allow another$20 million to vest in March, and you kind of start fresh. eat it like the Broncos did with Russell Wilson and just move forward into the future. But there's a lot of other things on that roster that you have to try to figure out, okay, are the tools there.

20:01Tom Pelissero:I would also say this, Rich, look at both those divisions. Look at who you're going up against. In the AFC West, it's Jim Harbaugh, Sean Payton, and Andy Reid. In the NFC West, it's Kyle Phanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDonald. If I were in that position, I might want to go to the division where at least the really excellent coaches are in their 60s, not their 30s and early 40s. That's just me. But those are all kind of parts of the factors, not to mention there's still a scenario where he goes back to Seattle. We saw Ben Johnson do that. We saw D 'Amico Ryan do it years ago where you have all the interest.

20:36Tom Pelissero:But if you don't feel like this is the right job for me right now, it makes sense to pull back a little bit. So those are those interviews are going to happen tomorrow. We'll probably have some answers into the early portion of next week. But also remember, you can't technically finalize the hire until after the Super Bowl. So there will be nothing binding until we get out to whatever it is, February 9th, the Monday after the Super Bowl. That's the first time that Clint would be able to sign on. Whoever's not getting him, or maybe if both teams don't get him, then you're into Mike LaFleur, who's a candidate for both jobs.

21:08Tom Pelissero:Adriel Overo, the Panthers defensive coordinator, still a candidate for the Raiders. Anthony Weaver, still a candidate for the Cardinals. There's still some moving parts here as this thing moves forward.

21:16Rich Eisen:All right, Tom, go back to your phone. Thanks for the time, buddy. Have a great broadcast. Appreciate it. Have a great broadcast tomorrow in Alabama. Okay? We'll chat next week. Sounds good, Rich. Thanks. That's Tom Pellicer right here. All right, brother. Okay. Wow. Okay.

21:35Out of everything there, the Cleveland Browns situation,

21:41Rich Eisen:I want to hit on that. and let's take a break and it's a what's more likely Friday as well Joe Brady of the Bills and Casey Affleck in studio in hour number three

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24:16Rich Eisen:But, and I don't know. Obviously, an owner's got to sign off. but to go ahead and knowingly, knowingly piss off the guy who has coordinated the side of the football that has been the saving grace for so many of these Browns teams over the years that have been a bright shining star twice And then the other times, just a complete disaster. That this guy coordinates the defense for Miles Garrett and everybody else. And you know, when you hire Todd Monken, you're going to piss this guy off. But hopefully what? Sit him in the room, get him to sit down with Todd Monken and say, well, we do see eye to eye about certain things.

25:14Rich Eisen:Yeah, well, I am under contract and I'd rather get paid than not. I'd rather be involved with the team than not, you know. And, you know, I'll just come around and I'll come back because, you know, this is the only place contractually where I can coach football. And it is Miles Garrett. It is a place that. But you are also, at the end of the day, walking around a building that you thought you spent much of your month of January thinking I'm going to be the head coach around here. And if they're going to hire some new hotshot guy over me, you know, I guess so be it. Then the new hotshot guy, clearly they can't expect me to work for the new hotshot guy.

26:02Rich Eisen:Somebody half my age, literally half my age was in Grant Yudinski. He was the one who was a front runner for a bit. Again, I'm just trying to put myself in Jim Schwartz's shoes. Never met the man. I'm just trying to figure out what somebody at the age of 60 is thinking, and then they hire somebody who's a contemporary of his in age and potentially experienced, but never a head coach in the NFL before, and we're going to go with the guy from the Ravens organization over me here in Cleveland? That is a tough sell. I mean, the Haslams are going to have to, you know, with Monken, they're going to have to spin some gold there, man.

26:44Rich Eisen:Certainly when he can go work for the Burgundy in gold, if he makes it, pardon me, the gold rush up there in San Francisco,

26:55if he makes it ugly or decides to dig in his heels, I don't know, man.

27:03Rich Eisen:That is something. And then, you know, Todd Munkin is there. This video has made some rounds today of him being in his office and Shador Sanders coming to visit.

27:14Tom Pelissero:What's going on in there? Oh, yeah. Hey, how about it? How you doing, man? How you doing? Welcome back to the States. How we doing, man? Good. We tried to draft your ass last year. It's all worked out. You remember that, right? Yeah, yeah.

27:38Rich Eisen:about drafting him in Baltimore at the end of the day. I mean, they had five chances. So did everybody.

27:47Rich Eisen:So did everybody. And it's just, it's going to be a sell to the fan base. And again, we don't know who the quarterback is going to be there. I think it's going to be Deshaun Watson. I think that his contract mandates it. His level of experience mandates it. Obviously, this will be something for Todd Munkin to answer. And then if Jim Schwartz says, I'll just sit at home, who's going to be the defensive coordinator there for a very talented bunch of guys? Very talented bunch of guys. Just let Miles Garrett do it. If there's anybody who could probably pull off both, it would be him. Chris in Utah wants to join us.

28:30Rich Eisen:What's up, Chris?

28:34Rich Eisen:you there Chris

28:37Tom Pelissero:yes I'm here

28:38Rich Eisen:alright head on a swivel everybody you're on hold what's up Chris

28:43Tom Pelissero:yeah so I mean I have a trick question because it's obviously you know Shador Sanders should be the franchise quarterback for the Browns the reason why is he has no one to throw through Jared Judy is a solid number two and if you were to give him an offensive line like Baker had way back when, he'd easily have 3 ,500 to 4 ,000 yards a year.

29:07Rich Eisen:Oh, Chris, that's a pie in the sky you're looking at right there. And I am, as you know, a Shadour Sanders fan. And I root for him. And I want nothing but success for him. And I thought he got a raw deal being drafted into this league. Certainly when he got pranked. Certainly when everybody ascribes to him. Thanks for the call, Chris. ascribes to him a sensibility that everyone assumed, right? There's a colleague of ours that's out there saying he shouldn't even talk to Todd Monken, which would be a disaster for him. A disaster for him because it would play into every stereotype that was improperly ascribed to him.

29:47Rich Eisen:That he is above it. and he is not worthy of being coached by Todd Monken. Todd Monken's not worthy of coaching someone of his talent. Could you imagine if he gave off that impression? What a disaster that would be for him professionally. Right. What an absolute disaster.

30:08Tom Pelissero:Even if the thought of that.

30:09Rich Eisen:Oh, my God. And he's been working so hard there to show that he is not that kid. But that's another show that's another person.

30:19Tom Pelissero:You know, real quick, people only really have negative stuff to say about him or people outside the building.

30:24Rich Eisen:Right. Seems like the teammates absolutely follow and love Shadour. And by the way, he balled out. He's also a pro bowler. Listen. He's playing in the pro bowl game. But the money, man, just follow the money. Deshaun Watson is coming back from this injury. Follow the money. And why wouldn't they start with him? Let's just see. Let's just see if Deshaun can stay healthy and can ball out with Todd Munkin. They got to get some ROI. Oh, my goodness. I honestly think that's the way that they're going to go. The question is, you know, what is going on in that building? And fans want to know, okay, so everybody does their job search.

31:10Rich Eisen:And, you know, we're going to go with the Ravens offensive coordinator who's never done it before at the end of the day. I think they would even have bought better, you know, some hotshot coordinator that I've never heard of who's young and up and coming.

31:28But we'll see.

31:29Rich Eisen:It'll be interesting. Certainly those Browns-Ravens games.

31:33Tom Pelissero:Right.

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34:19Rich Eisen:The Rich Eisen Show, the podcast. He's got more of a suntan for the SportsCenter than he's got for the NFL Live. We noticed, I can't get out of my head and just notice these things. our radio audience is return. We're looking at all of our, looking about my NFL network. Put the NFL network one up one more time here. The PR staff and deciding everyone's just Photoshopping. Can we all just get together and take these photographs? Everyone's Photoshopping. Well, no one's in the room together.

34:54Tom Pelissero:How are you going to do that? Yeah.

34:55Rich Eisen:I don't know. We're just get us all together. You're never going to be all together. No chance. Can we teleport? Is that a thing? Cause I mean, look at that, but look at, look, Garrett Blunt. Just throw him in there behind Baldy. Garrett Blunt's in the NFL Network studio.

35:12Tom Pelissero:I love that.

35:13Rich Eisen:Yeah, he's still in uniform. He is? Yeah, that's where they got him from.

35:18Tom Pelissero:That's awesome.

35:20Rich Eisen:I mean, Jane looks like a glamour shot. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Bye from Levi's Stadium. That photograph, I think that's like eight years old. It's, yeah. And on your book? Mooch is way grayer now. Way grayer now. Okay. Yeah. I think you should let it go. I will never let go who decides in the PR department or media department who gets shoulder over who. I guarantee you it's neither of those departments. What are you talking about?

35:51Tom Pelissero:It's the graphic design department.

35:53Rich Eisen:Someone's got to QC it. Someone's got to say, okay, go. Maybe not. We don't QC our stuff. Hit send. I don't think so. We trust our guys at home and do it. I QC every damn thing around here. That's because you have issues. okay everything like you know pretty much picture that gets put up before we post it okay all right hiring for your small businesses can feel like a full-time job so it's important your hire right the first time linkedin jobs ai assistant takes the heavy lifting out of it it filters applicants based on the criteria you set and suggests 25 great fit candidates daily so you can invite them to apply and keep things moving for yourself get started by posting your job for free at linkedin.com slash eisen that's linkedin.com slash eisen and post your job for free terms and conditions apply it's a friday which means it's time for a pre-superbowl week edition of what's more likelihood

36:56Tom Pelissero:what's more likely never say never but never what's more likely presented by

37:02Rich Eisen:Capella windows and doors. You have the floor. Chris Brockman. All right. What's up, everybody? Happy Friday. Good to see you. Hey.

37:09Tom Pelissero:Okay. Let's get right to it. Some news of the day stuff and then kind of a fun one at the end. More likely a team with a new coach and an MVP quarterback to make the final four next year. Bills or Ravens? Hmm. Going to talk to Joe Brady here coming up. We talked to Jesse Minter yesterday.

37:29Rich Eisen:I will go with the Bills because the quarterback and the coach are the same. In terms of being in Josh Allen's ear and we're not starting from scratch with the MVP quarterback. He's used to the voice. He's used to the playbook. They all know what everyone can do. Potentially Sean McDermott. His two cents, if you're in any way, shape or form thinking it might have gummed up a work. and he wasn't fully delegating, that we'll see what that looks like. Jesse Minter has yet to hire an offensive coordinator. Don't know who that's going to be yet. This could change my opinion for the moment, though. You're asking me on this day.

38:14Rich Eisen:I am. The Friday before an offensive coordinator has even been hired yet in Baltimore. I will keep my finger on this chess piece while I say it's the Bills that are the more likely candidate in this regard. Excellent. Thank you, sir. Moving on. More likely. That was very formal. By the way, I appreciate the roadmap before starting of what's coming up and what's more likely, how you've mapped it out. Sure. Thank you.

38:40Tom Pelissero:It will catch you off guard. Thank you for that.

38:41Rich Eisen:It did catch me off guard. It doesn't want to catch you off guard. Oh, I see. But that caught me off guard.

38:44Tom Pelissero:It did not want to catch you off guard. This year we have a last place team from a season ago in the Super Bowl from the AFC. Yes. More likely last place AFC team with a new head coach to sniff the playoffs in 2026. Titans, Browns, Raiders.

39:03Rich Eisen:Well, I mean, the Raiders don't even have a coach yet. How can I even say anything? We know who their quarterback's going to be, at least. Fernando Mendoza. Yeah, of course. Okay. Who I follow on LinkedIn. I'll go Titans. I'll go Titans. Because, you know, if you don't have haters, you're popping. going popping yeah nobody's right okay there's really popping yeah and i just like saying that what song was that i just think i don't think as you know i'm a fan of robert salah i thought he got a raw deal with the jets um and he's calling the he's going to be calling the plays for the defense i did see that yeah he said that he didn't want to he felt like a a red flag challenge guy standing around so he's going to be in that haters you ain't popping thank you sir so I'll go Titans Cam Ward, year two Ryan Dable as the offensive coordinator is sneaky, really good Dabes I'll go Titans I'll go Titans

40:03Tom Pelissero:I like that More likely, older Super Bowl winning quarterback to be playing in 2026 Sorry for calling these guys old Matthew Stafford or Aaron Rodgers

40:15Rich Eisen:I'm going to go both It's too bad I'm calling my shot. Well, I'll go Stafford then. I'll go Stafford then. Thank you. Stafford's going to be 38. Rogers is going to be 42 turning 43. I have no earthly idea what eight's thinking. I have a general sense I would think that nine would be loving life and coming back here. Did the Steelers just hire the line coach that he liked back in Green Bay too? So, I mean, I'll say both. I know you don't like it so if I have to choose one it'll be Stafford thank you you're welcome this is very formal which is throwing me off stay on your toes baby

40:59Tom Pelissero:you never know where he's going to come this year we had a class of 2024 quarterback become an MVP finalist Drake May probably not going to win but he had a great season nonetheless obviously in the Super Bowl which class more likely class of 2024 quarterback is going to break through and be an MVP finalist next year. Caleb, Bo Nix, Jane Davis.

41:23Rich Eisen:I'll go Caleb. Why wouldn't I? Why wouldn't I? Oh, one of those guys was rookie of the year. The other guy was in the Final Four. I know. Caleb Williams was so damn good, man. He's so damn good, man. And I'll tell you, Chris, Chris, I have to give you some, I'll pump you for the Heisman a little bit.

41:47Tom Pelissero:Oh, okay.

41:48Rich Eisen:You were really high on the Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson thing. And I'm like, I got to see it first. And then they start 0-2. Which was not great for my... And you were saying 4 ,000 yards. And you were saying he's going to set records. And he damn near got the 4 ,000 yards. And everything about, like, he doesn't see the field. He can't run an offense. he can't go through the progressions he can't just also um he can't ad-lib as well as we think he's a he's afraid to ad-lib or he's uncomfortable to ad-lib and he's never going to get comfortable and all that sort of he was a dream come true man and like i told you he doesn't throw anyone under the bus that whole thing like yeah dj moore and i miscommunicated in every single person from Chris Collinsworth in real time and everybody else later on in the All-22 world said, DJ Moore definitely hosed his quarterback.

42:48Rich Eisen:Fair or not? Caleb didn't. He doesn't throw anyone under the ball. He handles his business superbly. I'll go Caleb. Yeah, hell yeah. You wouldn't? I like that. No, I would too. I think he's got the ball. TJ, would you?

43:04Tom Pelissero:Set up very well.

43:05Rich Eisen:Yes. Okay. What else?

43:07Tom Pelissero:More likely to be the higher total. Okay, hear me out. Some great, excellent, top-notch tennis was played in Australia. I saw this morning. Over the night here, yeah. Djokovic moves on. Carlos Alcaraz, your boy, moves on.

43:23Rich Eisen:Alcaraz also got the benefit of being allowed to get through cramps with an injury timeout that he did not deserve as well. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, which caused me to think for a split second. All shenanigans? How am I supposed to get a point off a guy if he's going to be able to cramp and get some pickle juice that he's not allowed to have? You know, I put myself in Zverev's shoes here.

43:49Tom Pelissero:Five setters, five plus hours, games were stretched out to the max. More likely to be the higher total games played in the Jokovic-Alcarez final or total points scored in the Super Bowl. Oh, my God. So Jokovic beat Sinner in 48 games. Thank you for that information. And Alcaraz beat the other guy whose name I can't pronounce. In 61, I think, games. Super Bowl total is 45 and a half.

44:20Rich Eisen:I'll say we'll see more games in Jokovic-Alcaraz final. You know? Because Jokovic got not one, but two matches on the way to this final. where he was aided by his opponent not being able to finish, including one where he appeared to be finished himself. You know, it was even tougher to watch with or tougher to see for me to witness than watching Alcaraz get that break, leading me to think that I would never be able to get a point off of him now more than ever, is watching any hot Italian tennis player with Susie. And she doesn't hide it in front of the kids. No, she's just like, oh, whoa. Like, yeah.

45:13Rich Eisen:And the kids find it funny. And I'm like, excuse me, do you understand how you wouldn't be alive if your mother acted on this sort of stuff?

45:22Tom Pelissero:Wow.

45:23Rich Eisen:Damn fine. And hot. Thank you. That's the way she views Musetti. All right. What else you got? Two more real quick. More likely a Patriots legend who's most rooting for the Seahawks in Super Bowl 60.

45:39Tom Pelissero:Tom Brady or Bill Belichick?

45:44Rich Eisen:Why?

45:45Tom Pelissero:Which one is secretly most rooting for the Seahawks?

45:48Rich Eisen:Well, I would go with Belichick since he feels some sort of animus clearly towards the Kraft family. Even after everything played out in the Brady world. What would Tom care about? Well, Tom, they won so quickly without me. Oh, come on, man.

46:02Tom Pelissero:What do you mean? This guy's maybe better than I am?

46:04Rich Eisen:Okay. I think Tom's very secure, and I think Bill will be secure, too.

46:09Tom Pelissero:I think Belichick would be happy for Vrabel, don't you think?

46:12Rich Eisen:He'd be happy for Vrabel. Don't you think? I don't know. Maybe not. What else? Move on. Vrabel's more on the Hall of Fame path. I don't choose to go in your direction.

46:21Tom Pelissero:I thought that was a pretty clever one.

46:22Rich Eisen:Okay.

46:23Tom Pelissero:Lastly, what's more likely to happen first, guys? Giannis gets traded from Milwaukee or Del Tufo works for us three consecutive days.

46:33Rich Eisen:I say, well, Giannis, the trade deadline's February, when is it? February 5th?

46:37Tom Pelissero:5th. Yeah.

46:38Rich Eisen:All right, so next week.

46:40Tom Pelissero:And I assume Del Tufo will be with us all three days. I think he is.

46:45Rich Eisen:So, Jay, can you check your book to see what the deal is? Yeah, yeah. Are you checking your book, Jay? I have the answers. Okay, what's the answer? What is it?

46:53Tom Pelissero:Well, he'll be with you

46:53Rich Eisen:in San Francisco. Yeah, so I'll say next week. So is Giannis traded by next Friday or no? But after that...

47:02Rich Eisen:I will then say Del Tufo, not just because I know he's working three straight days for us, but I just have a feeling this sort of stuff can't get done during a season. Gotcha. All right. What's more like, this is brought to you by Pella Windows and Doors. When it comes to your home, Pella Windows and Doors always have the winning game plan. That's why your neighbors trust them. Visit Pella.com slash Eisen. Joe Brady, the newest head coach of the Buffalo Bills, will join us. And then Casey Affleck, Oscar winner, making his way to our studio to chop up Super Bowl 60 for his pats. The Rich Eisen Show podcast.

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